[advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

[Sara Dornsife]

And this was not aimed at Jim or his comment - just at the thread in 
general. Jim's a voice of reason - keep being reasonable.
Sara


Sara Dornsife wrote:
> I guess I have been drinking the Kool-aid because I believe that Sun 
> has been a good and generous steward of this community. There are 
> undoubtedly trademark obstacles, as well as technical ones, but on the 
> whole, Sun has done a lot (and is still doing a lot) to honestly find 
> resolution for these for the sake of a "healthy" community.
> Sara
>
>
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>> Simon Phipps wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2007, at 01:16, Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote:
>>>
>>>> Simon Phipps wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1, Eric.
>>>>>
>>>>> To make it clear, let's change the words here. Let's say that  
>>>>> some  other CG is working on, say, a new installer
>>>>>
>>>>> - OGB asks CG to design a new installer
>>>>> - CG goes and does it, comes back with a result
>>>>> - OGB says "thank-you" and gives it a stamp of approval.
>>>>>
>>>>> This sounds outrageous, no?  So why should the expert work 
>>>>> product  of  the Advocacy CG be subject to either a commissioning 
>>>>> step or  of an  approval step by the OGB, which exists only to 
>>>>> resolve  disputes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In this case, who is likely to be doing the work, someone at
>>>> Sun or someone outside of Sun?
>>>
>>>
>>> In which case? Both are the same. An open source community does not  
>>> care about the motivations of its participants as long as the 
>>> results  are synchronised to the benefit of the community.
>>
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>>
>>>> What we have to reconcile here is what we want/need with
>>>> what people are willing to give (for free.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Not at all. The people writing the installer may be being paid by 
>>> Sun  but that does not negate their contribution. We don't have to 
>>> ask one  of the marketing experts in the community to work on an 
>>> installer  just in case the person with the skills to work on the 
>>> installer is  being paid by Sun. "Free" has nothing to do with it 
>>> (unless you are  referring to the mutual liberty of all the 
>>> participants).
>>>
>>>> Open source works because a lot of people are willing to
>>>> contribute _code_ for free because there a lot of people
>>>> who believe in that.  I don't know that there are as many
>>>> "open source" artists, do you?
>>>
>>>
>>> No, I disagree. Open source works because every participant does 
>>> the  work they choose to do based on their (often unspoken) 
>>> motivations,  yet the work is combined with the work of others to 
>>> mutual benefit.  In this case, it seems likely one of the members of 
>>> the advocacy  project would go recruit new contributors to join the 
>>> community and  contribute their skills. The motivations of those new 
>>> contributors  are not relevant if the collective work of the 
>>> community is achieved.
>>
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>>
>>> My proposed process still stands:
>>>
>>> 1.  Advocacy CG solicits brainstorming
>>> 2.  Advocacy CG sifts ideas and distills the most workable and  
>>> popular ones
>>> 3.  Advocacy CG gets help (recruits new community members) to 
>>> screen  out ideas that can't be used
>>> 4.  Advocacy CG gets help (recruits new community members) to draw  
>>> possible mascots from the resulting short list
>>> 5.  Advocacy CG conducts a poll to select the preferred mascot from  
>>> the short list
>>>
>>> Yes, it is very likely that the new community members in steps 3 & 
>>> 4  will be paid by Sun. So are you. That doesn't make your 
>>> contribution  void and neither will it make theirs void. Also, due 
>>> to the way  OpenSolaris is set up, it's likely the screening 
>>> conducted at step 3  won't be subject to review. That's a real 
>>> shame, but the final choice  at step 5 is solidly inside the community.
>>
>>
>> Seems like a perfectly reasonable process.
>>
>>
>> Jim
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