[advocacy-discuss] OSUG Discussion: OGB Reorg and New Webapp Issues

[Kjell Högström]

Hi Jim,

Jim Grisanzio wrote:
[...]
> 
> We have some obvious options:
> 
>     * Do nothing. Leave the OSUGs as sponsored projects inside Advocacy.
>       The new webapp will allow horizontal relationships between
>       collectives as well as hierarchical relationships. So, we can just
>       leave things alone and see what the OGB comes up with -- whether
>       the new system is horizontal or hierarchical or just a cleaned up
>       version of what we have now.

I think it work well to live under the Advocacy community. But if the 
new infrastructure can let us call the user groups "user groups" I think 
that would be more logical. A user groups should have the same status as 
a project.

>     * Move the OSUGs to opensolaris.com, which is supposed to be evolve
>       into the central user site for the community. The big issue here
>       would be that moving OSUGs to another site would remove them from
>       the OpenSolaris governance system, and we don't know how OSUG
>       members would feel about that.

This seems wrong to me. opensolaris.com is about the binary distribution 
and I think a succesfull usergroup should be about the OpenSolaris 
project in general.

>     * Choose to assert that OSUGs should be their own collective along
>       with Community Groups and Projects when the new webapp is
>       implemented. The new webapp will allow this functionality. Also,
>       this option would keep the OSUGs within the OpenSolaris governance
>       system, thus preserving all the Contributor and Core Contributor
>       grants. How we grant Contributor and Core Contributor status would
>       have to be considered, but that issue is also being discussed as
>       part of a potential OGB reorg.

That would be kind of going back to how it was before we created the 
advocacy community but have it more formally approved. I think this will 
work well and is maybe more inline with my comments on the do nothing 
point. What I didn't like was that we started to call user groups 
project. It just makes the project list look strange.

Most important for me is that the user groups stay in the Governance system.

/Kjell

> The OGB is a dependency here. I'm not sure how the OGB will implement a 
> reorg at this time, and there is no time line or schedule at the moment. 
> Also, we can't actually change our status without going to the OGB, but 
> we don't necessarily have to wait for reorg, either. The two issues are 
> not necessarily joined. There's nothing stopping us from going to the 
> OGB and asserting what we want /independent/ of a reorg. That would be 
> helpful to the OGB, actually, since Advocacy is the largest CG in the 
> community, and the OGB needs to hear from the community about these 
> issues if a reorg takes place.
> 
> My view: I propose we ask the OGB to let the OSUGs become a new 
> collective -- User Groups -- on the site when that functionality becomes 
> available whether the reorg is specified or not. This would not get in 
> the way of a potential reorg. In fact, it could be part of a multi-step 
> reorg, but more importantly, it could enable the OSUGs to have the same 
> status as Community Groups and Projects if the reorg is delayed, or we 
> decide a reorg is not needed, or if the reorg is relatively minor with 
> no structural or relationship changes. My goal is to move the OSUGs out 
> from under the Advocacy CG while still maintaining governance status for 
> the 4,000 or so people in the user groups right now.
> 
> Agree? Disagree? Any other options we should consider?
> 
> References:
> 
> OGB Reorg
> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=1937
> 
> Website Update:
> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/website/wiki_requirements/
> http://auth.opensolaris.org/restructuring.html
> 
> Jim
> 
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