[advocacy-discuss] Logo Feedback

[Michal Bielicki]

Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Laurent Blume <laurent at opensolaris.org> wrote:
>   
>> Glynn Foster a écrit :
>>
>>     
>>> Prompted by Rafael's blog.
>>>       
>>  A very interesting entry indeed.
>>
>>
>>  > I haven't replied to this because I don't know definitively. Initially it will
>>  > be included in the OpenSolaris OS binary distribution in presumably the usual
>>  > locations (login screen, desktop background, etc.. )
>>  >
>>  > There's no current plans, that I know of, to put it onto opensolaris.org, but I
>>  > wouldn't discard that possibility if the chosen logo takes hold.
>>
>>  So what you're saying here, is that those logos have nothing to do at
>>  this point with the OpenSolaris Community? That now, for Sun,
>>  «OpenSolaris» means the Sun binary distribution also known as Indiana?
>>     
>
> Sun, as the owner of the OpenSolaris trademark, is exercising their
> right to determine what is called OpenSolaris and in what way it may
> be applied.
>
>   
>>  And that Sun is the only decider on this, though kind enough to let the
>>  Community preview the logos in advance?
>>     
>
> When you put that way, it isn't very fair. The correct statement would be:
>
> "Sun values community input and is seeking feedback from members of
> the OpenSolaris community to assist them in making a decision related
> to their projects."
>
> Sun is not obligated to take community input at all, the fact that
> they are asking for it should show you they care about what we think.
>
>   
>>  Are we now some kind of focus group to test Sun's PR before it gets
>>  rolled out to the public?
>>     
>
> That's a negative way to look at it.
>
> I would expect any member (or Community Group) that is part of the
> OpenSolaris community to seek community input before making decisions.
>
>   
>>  I am not disregarding the hard work of all the Sun employees. But I
>>  thought OpenSolaris was first about building a Community, where Sun
>>  would be a member not more equal than others.
>>     
>
> Anytime you try to measure things by "equality" in a project, you will
> always fail.
>
> Sun's actions regarding their trademark are completely within their
> discretion and it is entirely unfair of you to attempt to equate their
> rightful exercise as the trademark owner as somehow making them more
> equal.
>
> (Just as the Fedora, Ubuntu, and other communities are all subject to
> the decision of RedHat, and Canonical, respectively.)
>
>   
yes shawn, but blame is soooooooo much easier to do and much faster 
typed up.

Although I would say that the constant SMI blaming is quite a boring 
thing to read, as in .... oh jeez someone blaming it on sun ... again. I 
accept that blaming them is ncie, easy and always well received by some, 
but not really a smart thing to do. Quoting dalibor of OpenJDK fame :

Trying to 'shame' a multi-billion dollar corporation into making one's 
wishes true doesn't really work, as far as I've seen it, and usually 
just pisses the very people off one's trying to work with 
constructively. Been there, done that, learned from it during the 
Harmony founding excursion.

So could we get back to trying to work with them instead of blaming them 
for not getting cookies ? And constructive ideas really really have a 
chance to get through
the coporate bodies. Seen it. Done it. Got the cookie.

Just my 2gr PLN

cheers

Michal

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