[advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China

[XinFeng Liu]

On 2008年10月31日 19:55, Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> I will have to agree with you. Yes we have started the effort to build 
> OSUG's in Dalian. It is coming very close now...
> 
> I guess the difference in Linux vs OpenSolaris communities has its root 
> in history. Linux is perceived as a grass-root movement, where the open 
> source communities existed before Linux companies. OpenSolaris, on the 
> contrary, became open sourced from a close-source commercial software. 
> We have seen people who feel natural to join a Linux community from the 
> Windows camp, but doubtful when talking about OpenSolaris. 


A counter example: MySQL vs. PostgreSQL.

I have been thinking for years why some opensource projects got popular 
while others not. I haven't got a concrete answer yet, but I believe 
there are many factors.

thanks/Xinfeng

Honestly
> speaking, a lot of people are still thinking that Sun is trying to fool 
> people by attaching an open source flag to a proprietary OS. OpenSolaris 
> has come into existence for more than 3 years, we have witness 
> increasing interests from developers from different areas, but we have 
> not yet see large number of (none-Sun, or not affiliated with Sun) 
> enthusiasts who are willing organize a local OSUG.
> 
> Sun is a member of the OpenSolaris community. In fact, it hosts the 
> largest number of OpenSolaris developers and users across the world. In 
> this situation, I think Sun should actively go out, and organizes OSUG's 
> to spread Sun's thinking about OpenSolaris. In the ideal case, the 
> OSUG's should gradually evolved from led by Sun, to assisted by Sun, and 
> then self-sustain. I myself believe the Linux model should be our final 
> goal, but it will take some time to get there.
> 
> This is why I like the way Chengdu, Hangzhou, and Xi'An organize their 
> OSUG's. I do have members from my team attending these activities. But, 
> most of the time they participate in discussions, and encourage none-Sun 
> folks to do the heavy-weight talking. Although my team also actively 
> sponsors the activities of BJOSUG, we might not take it as a model that 
> can be promoted across the nation. BJSOUG has come into existence for 2 
> years. Right now it still depends heavily on Sun speakers. It is good 
> that OpenSolaris knowledge is effectively spread through this model, but 
> we might not be able to build a strong none-Sun OpenSolaris community 
> through this. And, areas far from Beijing do not have regular Sun 
> speaker resources anyway so they actually can't learn from what we are 
> doing in Beijing.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
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> 
> W. Wayne Liauh 写道:
>> I guess OpenSolaris/Solaris operates quite differently from Linux.  In the latter (e.g., SuSE or RedHat/Fedora Core), it is always local people who are not related with the corporate entity who operate user groups.
>>
>> There are, of course, pros and cons with each model.  However, if anyone asks my opinion, I would say that I much prefer the Linux model, but to be actively assisted by Sun employees.
>>
>> OTOH, as far as software goes, Dalian is probably "the" most important city in China--if not now it will definitely be in the future.  During my most recent trip to Taipei, I learned that the computer manufacturers in Taiwan have successfully lobbied daily direct flights from Taipei to Dalian.  This should underscore the importance of Dalian in the eyes of the high tech people at least in Taiwan.  And it is going to become very obvious in a year or two.
>>
>> Thus, I am wondering whether we should try our best to establish an OSUG in Dalian.  I will be more than happy to participate, and pledge our supports from Hawaii.
>>   
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