From ian at ianbrandt.com  Wed Oct  3 22:42:51 2007
From: ian at ianbrandt.com (Ian Brandt)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:42:51 -0700
Subject: [approach-discuss] Rough Start
Message-ID: <31CF9411-8080-4CC7-9B65-4C5A9C1D281A@ianbrandt.com>


Not to complain about something that is free, but for the sake of  
feedback I wanted to share my experience trying to get my hands on  
SXCE b73...

I've begun the download with the Sun Download Manager, but it's going  
at only 2-6KB/s with a current time remaining of some 169 hours.  I  
have a 7Mb/s connection and have attempted other downloads that  
verify my connection is fine otherwise.  I tried to start the  
download straight from the browser, but the speed was no better.  I  
went to http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/ looking for torrents (which  
would seem a very sensible way to deliver gigabytes of open source  
binaries), but all the links are broken.  I tried to register on  
opensolaries.org, but the first e-mail confirmation link to https:// 
www.opensolaris.org/signupConfirm.jspa said the token was invalid.   
The second link to http://www.opentech.org.cn/os/signupConfirm.jspa  
worked, but then routed me to the Chinese site, which is definitely  
not where I initiated the registration from.

Regards,

Ian


From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM  Thu Oct  4 01:50:51 2007
From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:50:51 +0200
Subject: [approach-discuss] Rough Start
In-Reply-To: <31CF9411-8080-4CC7-9B65-4C5A9C1D281A@ianbrandt.com>
References: <31CF9411-8080-4CC7-9B65-4C5A9C1D281A@ianbrandt.com>
Message-ID: <4704A96B.6020509@sun.com>

Ian Brandt wrote:
> Not to complain about something that is free, but for the sake of  
> feedback I wanted to share my experience trying to get my hands on  
> SXCE b73...
> 
> I've begun the download with the Sun Download Manager, but it's going  
> at only 2-6KB/s with a current time remaining of some 169 hours.  I  
> have a 7Mb/s connection and have attempted other downloads that  
> verify my connection is fine otherwise.  I tried to start the  
> download straight from the browser, but the speed was no better.  I  
> went to http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/ looking for torrents (which  
> would seem a very sensible way to deliver gigabytes of open source  
> binaries), but all the links are broken.  I tried to register on  
> opensolaries.org, but the first e-mail confirmation link to https:// 
> www.opensolaris.org/signupConfirm.jspa said the token was invalid.   
> The second link to http://www.opentech.org.cn/os/signupConfirm.jspa  
> worked, but then routed me to the Chinese site, which is definitely  
> not where I initiated the registration from.

That's all rather discouraging - and I find the Sun Download Centre very 
slow to.  You might want to try saving the files directly and not using 
the Download Manager.

I do know that people at Sun are working on an improved Download Centre 
and also Project Indiana ( 
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/ )is going to produce a CD 
image which is redistributable, both of which should go some way to 
alleviate the problem - both should be happening in the next few months 
(but I realise this doesn't help in the meantime).

I hope things start to improve once you have downloaded the image.

Patrick







From sch at sun.com  Thu Oct  4 09:24:56 2007
From: sch at sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:24:56 -0700
Subject: [approach-discuss] Rough Start
In-Reply-To: <31CF9411-8080-4CC7-9B65-4C5A9C1D281A@ianbrandt.com>
References: <31CF9411-8080-4CC7-9B65-4C5A9C1D281A@ianbrandt.com>
Message-ID: <20071004162456.GA27164@eng.sun.com>

* Ian Brandt <ian at ianbrandt.com> [2007-10-04 05:43]:
> 
> Not to complain about something that is free, but for the sake of  
> feedback I wanted to share my experience trying to get my hands on  
> SXCE b73...
> 
> I've begun the download with the Sun Download Manager, but it's going  
> at only 2-6KB/s with a current time remaining of some 169 hours.  I  
> have a 7Mb/s connection and have attempted other downloads that  
> verify my connection is fine otherwise.  I tried to start the  
> download straight from the browser, but the speed was no better.

  Ugh.  I'll go see if we can find out why things are so slow.

> I  went to http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/ looking for torrents (which
> would seem a very sensible way to deliver gigabytes of open source
> binaries), but all the links are broken.

  I knew they were old, but I didn't know they were broken.  I'll go ask
  the page owner what their hopes are for a list of old, broken links.

> I tried to register on  opensolaries.org, but the first e-mail
> confirmation link to https:// www.opensolaris.org/signupConfirm.jspa
> said the token was invalid.   The second link to
> http://www.opentech.org.cn/os/signupConfirm.jspa  worked, but then
> routed me to the Chinese site, which is definitely  not where I
> initiated the registration from.

  I'm surprised by this part, but I'll ask to see what's up.

  Finally:  we are trying, in the Indiana project, to make a
  redistributable LiveCD with a packaging system that can add software
  later.  (Not quite revolutionary, I know.)  Prototypes should become
  available in the next month or so--so we'll have mirrors, torrents,
  and a smaller object to download.

  Thanks for the report.

  - Stephen

-- 
sch at sun.com  http://blogs.sun.com/sch/


From ian at ianbrandt.com  Thu Oct  4 10:36:16 2007
From: ian at ianbrandt.com (Ian Brandt)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:36:16 -0700
Subject: [approach-discuss] Rough Start
In-Reply-To: <20071004162456.GA27164@eng.sun.com>
References: <31CF9411-8080-4CC7-9B65-4C5A9C1D281A@ianbrandt.com>
	<20071004162456.GA27164@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <7D6B1D0A-B538-4241-ADAC-B28B5B72FB86@ianbrandt.com>



On Oct 4, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Stephen Hahn wrote:
> * Ian Brandt <ian at ianbrandt.com> [2007-10-04 05:43]:
>>
>> Not to complain about something that is free, but for the sake of
>> feedback I wanted to share my experience trying to get my hands on
>> SXCE b73...
>>
>> I've begun the download with the Sun Download Manager, but it's going
>> at only 2-6KB/s with a current time remaining of some 169 hours.  I
>> have a 7Mb/s connection and have attempted other downloads that
>> verify my connection is fine otherwise.  I tried to start the
>> download straight from the browser, but the speed was no better.
>
>   Ugh.  I'll go see if we can find out why things are so slow.
>

All 3 parts had finished when I woke up, so something kicked into  
gear in the evening (pacific time).

>> I  went to http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/ looking for torrents (which
>> would seem a very sensible way to deliver gigabytes of open source
>> binaries), but all the links are broken.
>
>   I knew they were old, but I didn't know they were broken.  I'll  
> go ask
>   the page owner what their hopes are for a list of old, broken links.
>
>> I tried to register on  opensolaries.org, but the first e-mail
>> confirmation link to https:// www.opensolaris.org/signupConfirm.jspa
>> said the token was invalid.   The second link to
>> http://www.opentech.org.cn/os/signupConfirm.jspa  worked, but then
>> routed me to the Chinese site, which is definitely  not where I
>> initiated the registration from.
>
>   I'm surprised by this part, but I'll ask to see what's up.

Me too! ;)  I didn't take screen shots, but I doubled checked all the  
addresses in my browser before posting.  The registration, and two  
activation urls were all still there in tabs.  I definitely  
registered from opensolaris.org (left menu in English), and the  
activation link that worked was the opentech.org.cn one (left menu  
was Chinese).

>   Finally:  we are trying, in the Indiana project, to make a
>   redistributable LiveCD with a packaging system that can add software
>   later.  (Not quite revolutionary, I know.)  Prototypes should become
>   available in the next month or so--so we'll have mirrors, torrents,
>   and a smaller object to download.

That would be a giant leap for approachability.  Very much looking  
forward to it.

Regards,

Ian


From jbeck at eng.sun.com  Mon Oct 15 09:19:10 2007
From: jbeck at eng.sun.com (John Beck)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:19:10 -0700
Subject: [approach-discuss] Requst for contributor status
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200."
	<1181045835.25384.4.camel@phalan> 
References: <1181045835.25384.4.camel@phalan> 
Message-ID: <200710151619.l9FGJAA4622218@opal.eng.sun.com>

(Sorry for the greatly delayed reply.)

Mark> In the immediate term it would allow me to use the beta of
Mark> http://cr.opensolaris.org (I'm currently using cr.grommit.com).

Aye.

-- John

http://blogs.sun.com/jbeck


From Dave.Miner at Sun.COM  Mon Oct 15 09:25:50 2007
From: Dave.Miner at Sun.COM (Dave Miner)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:25:50 -0400
Subject: [approach-discuss] Requst for contributor status
In-Reply-To: <200710151619.l9FGJAA4622218@opal.eng.sun.com>
References: <1181045835.25384.4.camel@phalan>
	<200710151619.l9FGJAA4622218@opal.eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <4713948E.6050106@sun.com>

John Beck wrote:
> (Sorry for the greatly delayed reply.)
> 
> Mark> In the immediate term it would allow me to use the beta of
> Mark> http://cr.opensolaris.org (I'm currently using cr.grommit.com).
> 
> Aye.
> 

Profuse apologies as well, +1 from me.

Dave.


From Mark.Phalan at Sun.COM  Mon Oct 15 09:53:41 2007
From: Mark.Phalan at Sun.COM (Mark Phalan)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:53:41 +0200
Subject: [approach-discuss] Requst for contributor status
In-Reply-To: <200710151619.l9FGJAA4622218@opal.eng.sun.com>
References: <1181045835.25384.4.camel@phalan>
	<200710151619.l9FGJAA4622218@opal.eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <1192467221.11906.211.camel@zup.czech.sun.com>

On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 09:19 -0700, John Beck wrote:
> (Sorry for the greatly delayed reply.)
> 
> Mark> In the immediate term it would allow me to use the beta of
> Mark> http://cr.opensolaris.org (I'm currently using cr.grommit.com).
> 
> Aye.

Originally I had requested contributor status just for myself but I'd
also like to request it for:

Sarah Jelinek (sjelinek)
Sunil Kumar (sunilk)

the other contributors to the FUSE project.

This request is specific to the approachability community as I've
already received contributor status from the security community (now
taken off CC).

Thanks,

-Mark



From Mark.Phalan at Sun.COM  Mon Oct 15 10:04:31 2007
From: Mark.Phalan at Sun.COM (Mark Phalan)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:04:31 +0200
Subject: [approach-discuss] [security-discuss] Requst
	for	contributor	status
In-Reply-To: <18195.39989.850510.912174@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <1181045835.25384.4.camel@phalan>
	<200710151619.l9FGJAA4622218@opal.eng.sun.com>
	<4713948E.6050106@sun.com>
	<18195.39989.850510.912174@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <1192467871.11906.215.camel@zup.czech.sun.com>

On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 12:58 -0400, James Carlson wrote:
> Dave Miner writes:
> > John Beck wrote:
> > > (Sorry for the greatly delayed reply.)
> > > 
> > > Mark> In the immediate term it would allow me to use the beta of
> > > Mark> http://cr.opensolaris.org (I'm currently using cr.grommit.com).
> > > 
> > > Aye.
> > > 
> > 
> > Profuse apologies as well, +1 from me.
> 
> I don't think I saw the original request.  In any event, +1 for the
> security community.
> 

Actually, the security community has already given me contributor
status. Darren added a bunch of people recently.

I've taken security-interest off CC as its not really relevent to the
security community any more.

Cheers,

-Mark



From james.d.carlson at Sun.COM  Mon Oct 15 09:58:29 2007
From: james.d.carlson at Sun.COM (James Carlson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:58:29 -0400
Subject: [approach-discuss] [security-discuss] Requst for
	contributor	status
In-Reply-To: <4713948E.6050106@sun.com>
References: <1181045835.25384.4.camel@phalan>
	<200710151619.l9FGJAA4622218@opal.eng.sun.com>
	<4713948E.6050106@sun.com>
Message-ID: <18195.39989.850510.912174@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Dave Miner writes:
> John Beck wrote:
> > (Sorry for the greatly delayed reply.)
> > 
> > Mark> In the immediate term it would allow me to use the beta of
> > Mark> http://cr.opensolaris.org (I'm currently using cr.grommit.com).
> > 
> > Aye.
> > 
> 
> Profuse apologies as well, +1 from me.

I don't think I saw the original request.  In any event, +1 for the
security community.

It appears that I'm not a "core contributor" in approachability, even
though I was in that group.  Oh, well.  Dave Miner and John Beck are
both core contributors to approachability.

-- 
James Carlson, Solaris Networking              <james.d.carlson at sun.com>
Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive        71.232W   Vox +1 781 442 2084
MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757   42.496N   Fax +1 781 442 1677


From Dave.Miner at Sun.COM  Mon Oct 15 10:34:38 2007
From: Dave.Miner at Sun.COM (Dave Miner)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:34:38 -0400
Subject: [approach-discuss] Requst for contributor status
In-Reply-To: <1192467221.11906.211.camel@zup.czech.sun.com>
References: <1181045835.25384.4.camel@phalan>
	<200710151619.l9FGJAA4622218@opal.eng.sun.com>
	<1192467221.11906.211.camel@zup.czech.sun.com>
Message-ID: <4713A4AE.10309@sun.com>

Mark Phalan wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 09:19 -0700, John Beck wrote:
>> (Sorry for the greatly delayed reply.)
>>
>> Mark> In the immediate term it would allow me to use the beta of
>> Mark> http://cr.opensolaris.org (I'm currently using cr.grommit.com).
>>
>> Aye.
> 
> Originally I had requested contributor status just for myself but I'd
> also like to request it for:
> 
> Sarah Jelinek (sjelinek)
> Sunil Kumar (sunilk)
> 
> the other contributors to the FUSE project.
> 

+1 on this as well.

Dave




From jbeck at eng.sun.com  Tue Oct 16 14:15:22 2007
From: jbeck at eng.sun.com (John Beck)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:15:22 -0700
Subject: [approach-discuss] Requst for contributor status
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:53:41 +0200."
	<1192467221.11906.211.camel@zup.czech.sun.com> 
References: <1181045835.25384.4.camel@phalan>
	<200710151619.l9FGJAA4622218@opal.eng.sun.com>
	<1192467221.11906.211.camel@zup.czech.sun.com> 
Message-ID: <200710162115.l9GLFMw1148887@opal.eng.sun.com>

Mark> Originally I had requested contributor status just for myself but I'd
Mark> also like to request it for:

Mark> Sarah Jelinek (sjelinek)

Aye; Sarah has done good work.


Mark> Sunil Kumar (sunilk)

I was going to abstain on this, but I just ran into Sarah in the hallway and
she explained the work Sunil has been doing, so I'll say Aye on this too.

-- John

http://blogs.sun.com/jbeck


From jbeck at eng.sun.com  Tue Oct 16 14:25:02 2007
From: jbeck at eng.sun.com (John Beck)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:25:02 -0700
Subject: [approach-discuss] please mark new contributors
Message-ID: <200710162125.l9GLP2Wa149135@opal.eng.sun.com>

Hi Glynn,

As acting facilitator for the Approachability community, I'm reporting
to you that there is the required number of approvals of core contributors
to grant contributor status for each of the following:

Mark Phalan (mbp)
Sarah Jelinek (sjelinek)
Sunil Kumar (sunilk)

Could you please make it so?  Thanks...

-- John

http://blogs.sun.com/jbeck


From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM  Wed Oct 17 22:15:11 2007
From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:15:11 -0700
Subject: [approach-discuss] please mark new contributors
In-Reply-To: <200710162125.l9GLP2Wa149135@opal.eng.sun.com>
References: <200710162125.l9GLP2Wa149135@opal.eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <4716EBDF.2060600@sun.com>

Hey John,

John Beck wrote:
> Hi Glynn,
> 
> As acting facilitator for the Approachability community, I'm reporting
> to you that there is the required number of approvals of core contributors
> to grant contributor status for each of the following:
> 
> Mark Phalan (mbp)
> Sarah Jelinek (sjelinek)
> Sunil Kumar (sunilk)
> 
> Could you please make it so?  Thanks...

This is now done!


Glynn


From Mark.Phalan at Sun.COM  Thu Oct 18 00:19:30 2007
From: Mark.Phalan at Sun.COM (Mark Phalan)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:19:30 +0200
Subject: [approach-discuss] please mark new contributors
In-Reply-To: <4716EBDF.2060600@sun.com>
References: <200710162125.l9GLP2Wa149135@opal.eng.sun.com>
	<4716EBDF.2060600@sun.com>
Message-ID: <1192691970.4597.12.camel@zup.czech.sun.com>


On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 22:15 -0700, Glynn Foster wrote:
> Hey John,
> 
> John Beck wrote:
> > Hi Glynn,
> > 
> > As acting facilitator for the Approachability community, I'm reporting
> > to you that there is the required number of approvals of core contributors
> > to grant contributor status for each of the following:
> > 
> > Mark Phalan (mbp)
> > Sarah Jelinek (sjelinek)
> > Sunil Kumar (sunilk)
> > 
> > Could you please make it so?  Thanks...
> 
> This is now done!

I believe you marked us as "Core Contributors" - only "Contributor"
status was approved.

Thanks,

-Mark



From sch at Sun.COM  Thu Oct 18 11:53:11 2007
From: sch at Sun.COM (Stephen Hahn)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:53:11 -0700
Subject: [approach-discuss] Sponsoring freeware/familiarity
Message-ID: <20071018185311.GA8426@eng.sun.com>


   There are a few efforts to add OSS software, using the ARC process to
   approve (as well as pursuing other attributes, like accessibility,
   etc.) across opensolaris.org that lack community group sponsorship.
   Approachability is, based on its initial proposal and its web pages,
   still the best fit CG to sponsor a consolidation like SFW or any
   project to assist with familiarity.  David and I have been spending
   some time on this effort, and we'd like to get the people who've been
   helping SFW and other efforts participating in a wider community
   group discussion.

   Comments?  Concerns?

   - Stephen

-- 
sch at sun.com  http://blogs.sun.com/sch/


From james.d.carlson at sun.com  Thu Oct 18 12:28:31 2007
From: james.d.carlson at sun.com (James Carlson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:28:31 -0400
Subject: [approach-discuss] Sponsoring freeware/familiarity
In-Reply-To: <20071018185311.GA8426@eng.sun.com>
References: <20071018185311.GA8426@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <18199.46047.467112.328710@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Stephen Hahn writes:
>    There are a few efforts to add OSS software, using the ARC process to
>    approve (as well as pursuing other attributes, like accessibility,
>    etc.) across opensolaris.org that lack community group sponsorship.
>    Approachability is, based on its initial proposal and its web pages,
>    still the best fit CG to sponsor a consolidation like SFW or any
>    project to assist with familiarity.  David and I have been spending
>    some time on this effort, and we'd like to get the people who've been
>    helping SFW and other efforts participating in a wider community
>    group discussion.

I agree with the fit, and I think having that discussion here would
probably be good.  It's certainly a better fit than the endorsement of
the SFW project itself by the device drivers community.

I'm not a core contributor here, though.  ;-}

-- 
James Carlson, Solaris Networking              <james.d.carlson at sun.com>
Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive        71.232W   Vox +1 781 442 2084
MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757   42.496N   Fax +1 781 442 1677


From Dave.Miner at Sun.COM  Thu Oct 18 13:47:43 2007
From: Dave.Miner at Sun.COM (Dave Miner)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:47:43 -0400
Subject: [approach-discuss] Sponsoring freeware/familiarity
In-Reply-To: <20071018185311.GA8426@eng.sun.com>
References: <20071018185311.GA8426@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <4717C66F.6080305@sun.com>

Stephen Hahn wrote:
>    There are a few efforts to add OSS software, using the ARC process to
>    approve (as well as pursuing other attributes, like accessibility,
>    etc.) across opensolaris.org that lack community group sponsorship.
>    Approachability is, based on its initial proposal and its web pages,
>    still the best fit CG to sponsor a consolidation like SFW or any
>    project to assist with familiarity.  David and I have been spending
>    some time on this effort, and we'd like to get the people who've been
>    helping SFW and other efforts participating in a wider community
>    group discussion.
> 
>    Comments?  Concerns?
> 

This was certainly one of the activities envisioned that the 
approachability community was established, so +1 from me.

Dave



From jbeck at eng.sun.com  Thu Oct 18 14:04:46 2007
From: jbeck at eng.sun.com (John Beck)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:04:46 -0700
Subject: [approach-discuss] Sponsoring freeware/familiarity
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:53:11 PDT."
	<20071018185311.GA8426@eng.sun.com> 
References: <20071018185311.GA8426@eng.sun.com> 
Message-ID: <200710182104.l9IL4kat106263@opal.eng.sun.com>

Stephen> There are a few efforts to add OSS software, using the ARC process to
Stephen> approve (as well as pursuing other attributes, like accessibility,
Stephen> etc.) across opensolaris.org that lack community group sponsorship.
Stephen> Approachability is, based on its initial proposal and its web pages,
Stephen> still the best fit CG to sponsor a consolidation like SFW or any
Stephen> project to assist with familiarity.  David and I have been spending
Stephen> some time on this effort, and we'd like to get the people who've been
Stephen> helping SFW and other efforts participating in a wider community
Stephen> group discussion.

Aye, that be a good idea.

-- John

http://blogs.sun.com/jbeck