From sadmir.avdibegovic at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 05:39:55 2008 From: sadmir.avdibegovic at gmail.com (Sadmir Avdibegovic) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:39:55 PST Subject: [approach-discuss] Apache install on Solaris In-Reply-To: <33246243.1211468602290.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <10192629.1371228484425448.JavaMail.Twebapp@sf-app1> hello b_phani, you probably try to compile the software using the sun compiler _and_ the gnu linker. change your PATH-variable to find ld in /usr/ccs/bin - that should help. kind regards, sadmir. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org From dcbabb at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 18:54:09 2008 From: dcbabb at gmail.com (David Babb) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:54:09 PST Subject: [approach-discuss] Advancing Adoption of OpenSolaris (How to) Message-ID: <28106125.6471228791279101.JavaMail.Twebapp@sf-app1> Good evening to all, I am a linux user. Debian to be specific. I have 2 TB of storage in ext3 across four physical hdd's. One thing a large company can bring into an OS is standardization. It was this that appealed to me on OpenSolaris; IE Standards. I like the OpenSolaris look and feel. I decided to port to OpenSolaris and I installed it on my hardware. Once installed I ran into a show stopper: the inability to read/write common linux file systems reliably. This left 2 tb of valuable data orphaned with no reasonable way to bring it into OS. Linux distro's usually do things different, sometimes in profound ways. This makes sys admin somewhat difficult in a multi-distro Datacenter. It is my humble opinion that Sun would discover a watershed of new users AND paying clients, if the path of migration was not excruciating, or downright impossible in some cases. I appreciate developers and their time. I appreciate the potential for OS. If the community and Sun want OS to be taken seriously, there must be significant human resources provisioned to work on providing a migration path for those wanting to switch platforms, be that MS -> OS, or Linux -> OS. To not provide migration paths, is to orphan OS itself and prevent it from being widely adopted. In it's current form, it's a small niche product that is relevant only to people building their infrastructure from scratch, not for people or clients wanting to switch platforms or switch their cabinets in a rack after their data stores are already existing in other formats that are unsupported by OS. This is as much a marketing thing as it is a functional thing. I strongly encourage Sun and the OS community to work on providing a reasonable migration path. If so, folks like me, would not have to remove OS and go back to where they came from, and relegate OS to a VM, or risk orphaning their data stores. This is not a rant. No one is angry. The above issue is a simple fact of life. Difficult to deal with products die on the vine, no matter how technically superior they may be underneath the hood. If linux can provide multiple fs support to aid in migration, so can OS. (With the exception of NTFS which would beg MS to file suit against Sun.) I would port back to OS in a heartbeat if I had a reasonable and sensible data migration path. I would develop such tools if I had the brain cells. I'm an app developer, not a device driver nor FS type of guy. Sincerely and Respectfully, Dave -- This message posted from opensolaris.org From Milan.Jurik at Sun.COM Mon Dec 8 23:07:29 2008 From: Milan.Jurik at Sun.COM (Milan Jurik) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:07:29 +0100 Subject: [approach-discuss] Advancing Adoption of OpenSolaris (How to) In-Reply-To: <28106125.6471228791279101.JavaMail.Twebapp@sf-app1> References: <28106125.6471228791279101.JavaMail.Twebapp@sf-app1> Message-ID: <1228806450.2092.13.camel@xylabone> Hi David, there are few problems with supporting filesystems like reiserfs and XFS and JFS. The documentation of on-disk format for reiserfs is available, but that filesystem is dying. For XFS and JFS there is some documentation available, but these filesystems are very complex to write drivers from scratch for them. There is one project targeting JFS. As for ext3, there are several ways, some are in progress, some are working. All for data migration, not for everyday use: http://www.watters.ws/wiki/index.php/Mount_ext3_drives_in_Solaris http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/ext3/ Yes, you are right, data migration isn't easy. In future more wide support can be done through FUSE. Best regards, Milan David Babb p????e v po 08. 12. 2008 v 18:54 -0800: > Good evening to all, > > I am a linux user. Debian to be specific. I have 2 TB of storage in ext3 across four physical hdd's. > > One thing a large company can bring into an OS is standardization. It was this that appealed to me on OpenSolaris; IE Standards. > > I like the OpenSolaris look and feel. I decided to port to OpenSolaris and I installed it on my hardware. Once installed I ran into a show stopper: the inability to read/write common linux file systems reliably. This left 2 tb of valuable data orphaned with no reasonable way to bring it into OS. > > Linux distro's usually do things different, sometimes in profound ways. This makes sys admin somewhat difficult in a multi-distro Datacenter. > > It is my humble opinion that Sun would discover a watershed of new users AND paying clients, if the path of migration was not excruciating, or downright impossible in some cases. > > I appreciate developers and their time. I appreciate the potential for OS. > > If the community and Sun want OS to be taken seriously, there must be significant human resources provisioned to work on providing a migration path for those wanting to switch platforms, be that MS -> OS, or Linux -> OS. To not provide migration paths, is to orphan OS itself and prevent it from being widely adopted. In it's current form, it's a small niche product that is relevant only to people building their infrastructure from scratch, not for people or clients wanting to switch platforms or switch their cabinets in a rack after their data stores are already existing in other formats that are unsupported by OS. > > This is as much a marketing thing as it is a functional thing. > > I strongly encourage Sun and the OS community to work on providing a reasonable migration path. > > If so, folks like me, would not have to remove OS and go back to where they came from, and relegate OS to a VM, or risk orphaning their data stores. > > This is not a rant. No one is angry. The above issue is a simple fact of life. Difficult to deal with products die on the vine, no matter how technically superior they may be underneath the hood. > > If linux can provide multiple fs support to aid in migration, so can OS. > (With the exception of NTFS which would beg MS to file suit against Sun.) > > > I would port back to OS in a heartbeat if I had a reasonable and sensible data migration path. I would develop such tools if I had the brain cells. I'm an app developer, not a device driver nor FS type of guy. > > > Sincerely and Respectfully, > > > Dave From dcbabb at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 09:35:32 2008 From: dcbabb at gmail.com (David Babb) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:35:32 PST Subject: [approach-discuss] Advancing Adoption of OpenSolaris (How to) In-Reply-To: <1228806450.2092.13.camel@xylabone> Message-ID: <1711544854.8091228844163019.JavaMail.Twebapp@sf-app1> Hello Milan, I appreciate your post. THANK YOU. For me now, you have provided me a path of migration with the ext3 information you posted. I did the searches high and low and I did not come up with this data. I apologize for not being able to find this info myself. (I'm older and have had a few small strokes). The "watters" link will be in use this morning on a non-production workstation that has 3 HDD's and data to migrate on it. All data is backed up elsewhere, and non-critical. Should the migration fail, it's no big deal to wipe it clean. It's in our build shop, and lately is being used more and more as a "sound server" for lack of a better term. If this port is successful, then I will attempt to migrate the 2 TB of critical data after a full backup. If that happens, I've got customers that would want me to switch them to OS, and I have one development contract that would make my life much easier in OS. I do more sales today than before the health issue, so I can sell migration as a service to them. For me, an older technical user (think punch cards), this path seems like a solution. However, for the average linux user, and the frustrated MS user, it would not. Ubuntu is one of the most popular linux distro out there. It's not the fastest, it's not technically superior as say Gentoo, but it is used by new ones for a couple of primary reasons: a) It's child's play to install. b) A data migration path exists. Once I'm ported over and have a chance to peruse the Sun development tools, I will reassess if I can be of service to the OS community in this area of data migration. This is one tool that may be able to be ported: http://www.fs-driver.org/. It's kernel level though. Here are a couple for user space: http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/ http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs Just replace the "windows" as the hosting OS to OS....If any of these tools can be made to work in OS, the data migration issue would be solved. Again, thank you sincerely for the information, I'll give this new path a shot. Dave -- This message posted from opensolaris.org