[arc-discuss] [install-discuss] [sysadmin-discuss] Seeking early guidance for integrating a new package system into O/N. (conary)

[Alan DuBoff]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, John Plocher wrote:

>   Indiana is not a release in the ARC vocabulary, but only
>   a snapshot in time of the development of Nevada as seen
>   thru a veneer of Indiana special sauce prototypes

Whoa, wait a second. I thought we were talking about the packaging system?

I don't expect Indiana as a whole to go through ARC, but the pieces that 
it is comprised of.

In Phil's message it seemed that he was complaining that IPS didn't go 
through ARC. Is that possible? I mean, at least it would have to go throug 
as a fasttrack, no?

> I'd love to see the arc cases pop up for this stuff sooner rather than 
> later, but given their intentions, they are really doing pretty much 
> what we expect projects to actually do - play with stuff until they have 
> confidence in what they are trying to do.

I think everyone would, and I don't think anyone that goes in late with an 
ARC case likes it that way...sometimes things just don't work out as 
planned and things are delayed. We are all only human after all, and most 
of us err at times as of such.

I mainly want to point out that I see a lot of whining about how Sun is 
not participating in the OpenSolaris community as a "good citizen", and I 
just don't think all of it is substantiated.

>From my view, Sun is doing what they can and are moving towards an open 
system. Most of Sun knows that we are not there today. We are trying to 
move there slowly.

Let us not forget Phil, when the $#!T#eaD-Six was negotiating with Sun, I 
mentioned trying to open source Solaris at that time so the community 
could help work on it, and even you laughed at that idea...saying it would 
NEVER happen. Deep down everyone knew it was such a long shot that Sun 
could ever open source their UNIX sources, that they all laughed.

Now the sources are there, yet the community sits around complaining about 
Sun not being open, Sun not sharing everything with them, yet there are 
all types of legal issues that still plague this community, and those 
issues are being worked daily.

We sure aren't were most of us would like to be, but I don't think Sun's 
efforst deserve the brow beating it's taking over this issue.

Yes, I stood up against upper management when they had said it was 
possible they *might* reserve the use of the OpenSolaris name. And I know 
you were at that All Hands John, so you know I definitely put myself on 
the carpet with upper management.

Even if it's the wrong choice, even if it's wrong for the community, it's 
only a name for crying out loud...let's get over it. Nexenta, Blastwave, 
Belenix, all have different names today, so what's the point?

In some ways I guess it's just too bad for folks that Solaris engineers 
have worked on things like zfs, dtrace, smf, fma, crossbow, nemo, 
brussels, power management, packaging, or anythign else that goes into 
Solaris without getting everyone's approval...But, OTOH, I think we're 
pretty lucky to have what we have today, we even have Xen implemented in 
the operating system and usable,

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Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group