From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Wed Jan 2 12:28:49 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:28:49 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Proposed OpenSolaris Community Awards Program Rules Message-ID: <477BF401.3070906@sun.com> Jlavie, LGoldstein, Attached is a very rough set of rules for the OpenSolaris Community Awards Program, part of the Sun Community Innovation Awards. I have copied the Awards Team alias on this note since I am currently on vacation and returning to the office on the 7th. Jesse Silver will be your primary contact until my return. I have embedded some of our questions into the draft of the rules. Also, we had raised some questions earlier about Sections 7, 9, 10 and 15 and understood that new language would be forthcoming to address those concerns. I have embedded those questions/concerns into this copy of the rules since we have not seen the new language yet. An important thing to note is that we are not limiting to the contest to software/code implementations only. We would also like to see entries of documentation, translation of exisiting documentation, videos, podcasts, marketing materials, articles...all of these things are important to expanding the OpenSolaris ecosystem. Hence the reason we have left the Entry section so broad. We plan to write an FAQ to accompany the contest rules. Is this something you would like to review as well? Finally, we hopeto use some of the funds allocated to us ($75K of the $175K) to conduct a research grant program for undergraduate university students with a faculty sponsor. Beth Magnusson suggested that you may have some boilerplate language for that type of a program...rather than trying to fit the grant program into this set of rules. I have also attached a brief summary of the grant program. If you believe it will be too difficult to manage two different programs, we also had the idea of including language similar to this and running one program (although the grant program is preferred): Two categories of prizes will be awarded. One category is for individuals or teams comprised solely of members of Academic institutions. The other category will be open to all individuals or teams. Academic-only submissions must be by members who all are registered students, faculty or staff at Academic institutions during the duration of the contest and must include at least one undergraduate student and faculty sponsor. Proof is required. The open category has no such restriction and will accept entries from non-academic and academic or mixed-type collaborators. I think that is it for now. If you would like to call me to discuss, I can be reached at 510-928-5366. Thanks so much, Teresa -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(866)230-6968 Int'l Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (865)544-7856 ACCESS CODE: 2192132 From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Wed Jan 2 15:23:13 2008 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:23:13 -0700 Subject: [awards-program] Proposed OpenSolaris Community Awards Program Rules In-Reply-To: <477BF401.3070906@sun.com> References: <477BF401.3070906@sun.com> Message-ID: <477C1CE1.7020304@Sun.COM> Can anyone open the "Sun Community Contribution Award Contest OpenSolaris" file? My browser tells me it's a binary file. Thanks. Bonnie Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Jlavie, LGoldstein, > > Attached is a very rough set of rules for the OpenSolaris Community > Awards Program, part of the Sun Community Innovation Awards. I have > copied the Awards Team alias on this note since I am currently on > vacation and returning to the office on the 7th. Jesse Silver will be > your primary contact until my return. > > I have embedded some of our questions into the draft of the rules. > Also, we had raised some questions earlier about Sections 7, 9, 10 and > 15 and understood that new language would be forthcoming to address > those concerns. I have embedded those questions/concerns into this copy > of the rules since we have not seen the new language yet. > > An important thing to note is that we are not limiting to the contest to > software/code implementations only. We would also like to see entries > of documentation, translation of exisiting documentation, videos, > podcasts, marketing materials, articles...all of these things are > important to expanding the OpenSolaris ecosystem. Hence the reason we > have left the Entry section so broad. > > We plan to write an FAQ to accompany the contest rules. Is this > something you would like to review as well? > > Finally, we hopeto use some of the funds allocated to us ($75K of the > $175K) to conduct a research grant program for undergraduate university > students with a faculty sponsor. Beth Magnusson suggested that you may > have some boilerplate language for that type of a program...rather than > trying to fit the grant program into this set of rules. I have also > attached a brief summary of the grant program. If you believe it will > be too difficult to manage two different programs, we also had the idea > of including language similar to this and running one program (although > the grant program is preferred): > > Two categories of prizes will be awarded. One category is for > individuals or teams comprised solely of members of Academic > institutions. The other category will be open to all individuals > or teams. Academic-only submissions must be by members who all > are registered students, faculty or staff at Academic institutions > during the duration of the contest and must include at least one > undergraduate > student and faculty sponsor. Proof is required. The open > category has no such restriction and will accept entries from > non-academic and academic or mixed-type collaborators. > > > I think that is it for now. If you would like to call me to discuss, I > can be reached at 510-928-5366. > > Thanks so much, > Teresa > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Wed Jan 2 15:53:30 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:53:30 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Proposed OpenSolaris Community Awards Program Rules In-Reply-To: <477C1CE1.7020304@Sun.COM> References: <477BF401.3070906@sun.com> <477C1CE1.7020304@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477C23FA.9070904@Sun.COM> Rename as odt and open with StarOffice/OpenOffice Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Can anyone open the "Sun Community Contribution Award Contest > OpenSolaris" file? My browser tells me it's a binary file. > > Thanks. > > Bonnie > > > > Teresa Giacomini wrote: >> Jlavie, LGoldstein, >> >> Attached is a very rough set of rules for the OpenSolaris Community >> Awards Program, part of the Sun Community Innovation Awards. I have >> copied the Awards Team alias on this note since I am currently on >> vacation and returning to the office on the 7th. Jesse Silver will be >> your primary contact until my return. >> >> I have embedded some of our questions into the draft of the rules. >> Also, we had raised some questions earlier about Sections 7, 9, 10 and >> 15 and understood that new language would be forthcoming to address >> those concerns. I have embedded those questions/concerns into this copy >> of the rules since we have not seen the new language yet. >> >> An important thing to note is that we are not limiting to the contest to >> software/code implementations only. We would also like to see entries >> of documentation, translation of exisiting documentation, videos, >> podcasts, marketing materials, articles...all of these things are >> important to expanding the OpenSolaris ecosystem. Hence the reason we >> have left the Entry section so broad. >> >> We plan to write an FAQ to accompany the contest rules. Is this >> something you would like to review as well? >> >> Finally, we hopeto use some of the funds allocated to us ($75K of the >> $175K) to conduct a research grant program for undergraduate university >> students with a faculty sponsor. Beth Magnusson suggested that you may >> have some boilerplate language for that type of a program...rather than >> trying to fit the grant program into this set of rules. I have also >> attached a brief summary of the grant program. If you believe it will >> be too difficult to manage two different programs, we also had the idea >> of including language similar to this and running one program (although >> the grant program is preferred): >> >> Two categories of prizes will be awarded. One category is for >> individuals or teams comprised solely of members of Academic >> institutions. The other category will be open to all individuals >> or teams. Academic-only submissions must be by members who all >> are registered students, faculty or staff at Academic institutions >> during the duration of the contest and must include at least one >> undergraduate >> student and faculty sponsor. Proof is required. The open >> category has no such restriction and will accept entries from >> non-academic and academic or mixed-type collaborators. >> >> >> I think that is it for now. If you would like to call me to discuss, I >> can be reached at 510-928-5366. >> >> Thanks so much, >> Teresa >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> awards-program mailing list >> awards-program at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From elijah.wright at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 05:22:05 2008 From: elijah.wright at gmail.com (elijah wright) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:22:05 -0500 Subject: [awards-program] Proposed OpenSolaris Community Awards Program Rules In-Reply-To: <477BF401.3070906@sun.com> References: <477BF401.3070906@sun.com> Message-ID: <2b4a11950801030522v5b2508e0h1428b48a6bf327dc@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 2, 2008 3:28 PM, Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Jlavie, LGoldstein, > > Finally, we hopeto use some of the funds allocated to us ($75K of the > $175K) to conduct a research grant program for undergraduate university > students with a faculty sponsor. Beth Magnusson suggested that you may > have some boilerplate language for that type of a program...rather than > trying to fit the grant program into this set of rules. I have also > attached a brief summary of the grant program. If you believe it will > be too difficult to manage two different programs, we also had the idea > of including language similar to this and running one program (although > the grant program is preferred): Perhaps this could be modeled after the NSF's REU program for undergraduates; that system seems to work fairly well, is competitive, and is largely parallel to what's been mentioned so far. Here's an exemplar document, from a couple of years ago: http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2005/nsf05592/nsf05592.htm It seems to me that the sort of content found under "Project Description" is all very necessary; after all, folks are proposing to *get money* for doing some serious work... the process should reflect that committment. [It is not the intent of such applications to be 'stodgy' or whatever, but simply to cause people to think carefully and commit to the work that they are actually going to be doing.] Happy to explore this set of ideas further; I figured I would at least surface the idea of something modeled after REU and see who 'bites' on it. :-) --elijah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Jan 3 15:25:13 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:25:13 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] REMINDER: meeting today at 4p Pacific time In-Reply-To: <477BF6A1.1010708@Sun.COM> References: <477BF6A1.1010708@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477D6ED9.7070707@sun.com> Reminder to all: Meeting in 40 minutes, at 4pm PT. (866)230-6968 Int'l Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (865)544-7856 ACCESS CODE: 2192132 Agenda: -Passdown -FAQ From james.liu at sun.com Thu Jan 3 15:31:11 2008 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu, IHV OEM Engineering) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:31:11 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] next meeting: Thursday 1/3 4p Pacific time In-Reply-To: <477BF6A1.1010708@Sun.COM> References: <477BF6A1.1010708@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477D703F.5010106@sun.com> Hi Folks: Have a conflicting meeting at 4pm with Intel on Thursdays... so will probably miss this one. Here are some written comments/questions for the group. Feel free to ignore and move on. Nothing was critical for me. The proposal looks sound as a rough draft. Questions/Comments on the CA SRC Proposal: ------------------------------------------ 1. Do we limit to one team per school? Sounds like it in the pre-amble. 2. Do you plan to do a budget breakdown on various portions of the project (e.g. for the publicity... are be planning on travel - i.e. university world tour - who is doing that and how much is this going to cost? Curriculum and content for the universities? what is the more detailed time line for those things?) 3. Could we actually do the research or take submissions of work completed and published in journals already since Fall 2007 and allow up to Summer 2008 to take nominations and then we pick winners. i.e. should focus the award as a "recognition" of innovation in academics to Solaris and Solaris related technology as opposed to a "build it new on Solaris for this contest"? Questions/Comments on the Sun Communite Awards Program ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Spell check section 4 submission (enviornment -> should be environment) 2. Grammar/wording of 5.4 ..if any persons... Whatdoes this mean in simple engrish? That the "submitter" (i.e. entrant) is responsible for obtain all signatures and consents of all named parties as part of the submission? And that all signors must be legal adults or age of majority or have obtained signed parental consent? 3. Defining a submission site - that would be good. Can be simply go to OpenSolaris.ORG and follow links to contest and contest submission. 4. Judging - we should define the process a priori to the 14th of January. We should provide for a numbered panel of say 5 judges and 3 backups. We should define probably a percentage breakdown (e.g. like on Iron-Chef - 35% goes to flavour, 25% presentation, 20% creativity, 20% originality) 5. I like the prizes break down ... lots of 1k is good! 6. We need to re number the items (lots of 6,s and 7,s) 7. IP grant - CDDL contribs the code to the community anyway. We should not need much else, just that they abide and give their IP rights according to CDDL. BTW, does this cover all the types of content you intend to accept as part of the entry (docs, images, logos etc.)? 8. Indemnification - does that mean like in Canada, electronic/internet data repositories have standards that prohibit publication of personal info other than what the enduser has consented to? We need some language that does clarify this. There are also data expiration laws that require us to dump personal info away after a certain time. -James +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D., Solaris IHV OEM Engr'ng | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Alta Elstad wrote: > No meeting today. > > Next meeting: Thursday 1/3 4p Pacific time > > Preparation: Please review the message that Teresa just sent. > > (866)230-6968 > Int'l Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (865)544-7856 > ACCESS CODE: 2192132 > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Jan 3 17:06:58 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:06:58 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes Message-ID: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> Meeting Notes: Attendees: Jesse Silver Alta Elstad Questions: -Is the SCA really required for all contributions? Should we perhaps change the language to: contributions should be consistent with the preexisting rules and regulations of the OpenSolaris community. ie. code needs SCA, but videos, games, etc don't. Calls to Action: -Add questions to FAQ: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Community_Innovation_Awards From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 05:38:06 2008 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:38:06 -0700 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> Message-ID: <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> Hi, Legal has been clear since OpenSolaris launched that an SCA is required for any/all contributions: code, documentation, translations, games, designs, anything. If Legal had their way, anyone sending email would have an SCA on file. An SCA is going to be required for all contributions to this contest. We can doublecheck with Legal if you want, but this one's easy. Bonnie Jesse Silver wrote: > Meeting Notes: > > Attendees: > Jesse Silver > Alta Elstad > > Questions: > -Is the SCA really required for all contributions? Should we perhaps > change the language to: contributions should be consistent with the > preexisting rules and regulations of the OpenSolaris community. ie. code > needs SCA, but videos, games, etc don't. > > Calls to Action: > -Add questions to FAQ: > http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Community_Innovation_Awards > > > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Jan 4 06:10:00 2008 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:10:00 +0100 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Hi, > > Legal has been clear since OpenSolaris launched that an SCA is required > for any/all contributions: code, documentation, translations, games, > designs, anything. If Legal had their way, anyone sending email would > have an SCA on file. > > An SCA is going to be required for all contributions to this contest. > We can doublecheck with Legal if you want, but this one's easy. I did contribute to the OpenSolaris project and I do not even know what an SCA is..... J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 06:24:44 2008 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:24:44 -0700 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <477E41AC.3010306@Sun.COM> Joerg Schilling wrote: > Bonnie Corwin wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>Legal has been clear since OpenSolaris launched that an SCA is required >>for any/all contributions: code, documentation, translations, games, >>designs, anything. If Legal had their way, anyone sending email would >>have an SCA on file. >> >>An SCA is going to be required for all contributions to this contest. >>We can doublecheck with Legal if you want, but this one's easy. > > > I did contribute to the OpenSolaris project and I do not even know what an SCA > is..... It is a Sun Contributor Agreement: http://opensolaris.org/os/about/sun_contributor_agreement. If someone contributes existing third-party open source or documentation or something else that is already published and licensed, then the internal legal processes are used to get approval to use that code. If someone writes code or documentation or does translations or whatever and gives that product to OpenSolaris, a Sun Contributor Agreement is supposed to be on file. Bonnie > > J?rg > From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 10:51:57 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:51:57 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477E41AC.3010306@Sun.COM> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <477E41AC.3010306@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477E804D.9020203@Sun.COM> Doesn't this eliminate many application ports? Many applications do not yet run on Solaris but might increase interest in Solaris if they did. Are these not acceptable contest entries? Porting an application might not require any modification to Solaris itself. The SCA talks about contributions to Sun open source projects and says that these contributions will be jointly owned by Sun and the contributor. I don't think we can insist that a ported application will be co-owned by Sun. We need something like the SCA for the contest. We need to have entrants sign that their entry is original work, that they own the work, etc. But I think we want to allow entries that are wholly owned owned by third parties and perhaps are not even open sourced, don't we? Of course, any contributions to a product or project owned or managed by Sun would require an SCA. Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: >> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Legal has been clear since OpenSolaris launched that an SCA is required >>> for any/all contributions: code, documentation, translations, games, >>> designs, anything. If Legal had their way, anyone sending email would >>> have an SCA on file. >>> >>> An SCA is going to be required for all contributions to this contest. >>> We can doublecheck with Legal if you want, but this one's easy. >> >> I did contribute to the OpenSolaris project and I do not even know what an SCA >> is..... > > It is a Sun Contributor Agreement: > http://opensolaris.org/os/about/sun_contributor_agreement. > > If someone contributes existing third-party open source or documentation > or something else that is already published and licensed, then the > internal legal processes are used to get approval to use that code. > > If someone writes code or documentation or does translations or whatever > and gives that product to OpenSolaris, a Sun Contributor Agreement is > supposed to be on file. > > Bonnie > >> J?rg > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 10:56:09 2008 From: Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM (Alan Coopersmith) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:56:09 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <477E8149.3050809@sun.com> Joerg Schilling wrote: > Bonnie Corwin wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Legal has been clear since OpenSolaris launched that an SCA is required >> for any/all contributions: code, documentation, translations, games, >> designs, anything. If Legal had their way, anyone sending email would >> have an SCA on file. >> >> An SCA is going to be required for all contributions to this contest. >> We can doublecheck with Legal if you want, but this one's easy. > > I did contribute to the OpenSolaris project and I do not even know what an SCA > is..... Sun employees and contractors don't need SCA's (Sun Contributor Agreements) because we already have signed agreements with Sun granting full ownership of the copyright to materials we develop (or whatever the local legal equivalent is) - presumably you signed something like that already. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 11:01:40 2008 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:01:40 -0700 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477E804D.9020203@Sun.COM> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <477E41AC.3010306@Sun.COM> <477E804D.9020203@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477E8294.6050102@Sun.COM> Hi Alta, Good point. There may be some things for which the SCA doesn't make sense. But we need to talk to legal because I assume something will need to be signed that tells us the person claims it's their original work, etc. One option might be that people license/copyright their submission - that would then be third-party open source. I don't see how any proprietary entries can possibly work because they would have to be offered under a contract, and I don't think we're prepared to deal with that at all. Has there been discussion about source vs binaries for code submissions? Is it permissible for someone to submit a binary only? If so, that could be provided under a license as well. Bonnie Alta Elstad wrote: > Doesn't this eliminate many application ports? Many applications do not > yet run on Solaris but might increase interest in Solaris if they did. > Are these not acceptable contest entries? Porting an application might > not require any modification to Solaris itself. The SCA talks about > contributions to Sun open source projects and says that these > contributions will be jointly owned by Sun and the contributor. I don't > think we can insist that a ported application will be co-owned by Sun. > > We need something like the SCA for the contest. We need to have entrants > sign that their entry is original work, that they own the work, etc. But > I think we want to allow entries that are wholly owned owned by third > parties and perhaps are not even open sourced, don't we? > > Of course, any contributions to a product or project owned or managed by > Sun would require an SCA. > > Bonnie Corwin wrote: > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >>> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Legal has been clear since OpenSolaris launched that an SCA is >>>> required for any/all contributions: code, documentation, >>>> translations, games, designs, anything. If Legal had their way, >>>> anyone sending email would have an SCA on file. >>>> >>>> An SCA is going to be required for all contributions to this >>>> contest. We can doublecheck with Legal if you want, but this one's >>>> easy. >>> >>> >>> I did contribute to the OpenSolaris project and I do not even know >>> what an SCA is..... >> >> >> It is a Sun Contributor Agreement: >> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/sun_contributor_agreement. >> >> If someone contributes existing third-party open source or >> documentation or something else that is already published and >> licensed, then the internal legal processes are used to get approval >> to use that code. >> >> If someone writes code or documentation or does translations or >> whatever and gives that product to OpenSolaris, a Sun Contributor >> Agreement is supposed to be on file. >> >> Bonnie >> >>> J?rg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> awards-program mailing list >> awards-program at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 11:16:09 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:16:09 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] meeting today Message-ID: <477E85F9.8010704@sun.com> Alta and I would like to hold a meeting at 4pm PT today, but we want to make sure other people can join us. Anyone planning on joining today at 4pm? From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 11:27:32 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:27:32 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477E8294.6050102@Sun.COM> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <477E41AC.3010306@Sun.COM> <477E804D.9020203@Sun.COM> <477E8294.6050102@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477E88A4.9040801@Sun.COM> Excellent questions and we need to get them resolved within the next few days. People on this list: Please call in to the meetings or reply on this list. We talked about allowing binary entries. What do you think? What kinds of entries do we want? Is fixing a bite-sized bug an entry? Sun employees are not allowed to help. What if someone asks a question on a forum and a Sun employee answers? We can't prevent that; do we need to try to track it? What a nightmare. Please, all, lend your ideas to the contest planning. Thank you for your help! Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Hi Alta, > > Good point. There may be some things for which the SCA doesn't make > sense. But we need to talk to legal because I assume something will > need to be signed that tells us the person claims it's their original > work, etc. > > One option might be that people license/copyright their submission - > that would then be third-party open source. I don't see how any > proprietary entries can possibly work because they would have to be > offered under a contract, and I don't think we're prepared to deal with > that at all. > > Has there been discussion about source vs binaries for code submissions? > Is it permissible for someone to submit a binary only? If so, that > could be provided under a license as well. > > Bonnie > > > Alta Elstad wrote: >> Doesn't this eliminate many application ports? Many applications do >> not yet run on Solaris but might increase interest in Solaris if they >> did. Are these not acceptable contest entries? Porting an application >> might not require any modification to Solaris itself. The SCA talks >> about contributions to Sun open source projects and says that these >> contributions will be jointly owned by Sun and the contributor. I >> don't think we can insist that a ported application will be co-owned >> by Sun. >> >> We need something like the SCA for the contest. We need to have >> entrants sign that their entry is original work, that they own the >> work, etc. But I think we want to allow entries that are wholly owned >> owned by third parties and perhaps are not even open sourced, don't we? >> >> Of course, any contributions to a product or project owned or managed >> by Sun would require an SCA. >> >> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >> >>> Joerg Schilling wrote: >>> >>>> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Legal has been clear since OpenSolaris launched that an SCA is >>>>> required for any/all contributions: code, documentation, >>>>> translations, games, designs, anything. If Legal had their way, >>>>> anyone sending email would have an SCA on file. >>>>> >>>>> An SCA is going to be required for all contributions to this >>>>> contest. We can doublecheck with Legal if you want, but this one's >>>>> easy. >>>> >>>> >>>> I did contribute to the OpenSolaris project and I do not even know >>>> what an SCA is..... >>> >>> >>> It is a Sun Contributor Agreement: >>> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/sun_contributor_agreement. >>> >>> If someone contributes existing third-party open source or >>> documentation or something else that is already published and >>> licensed, then the internal legal processes are used to get approval >>> to use that code. >>> >>> If someone writes code or documentation or does translations or >>> whatever and gives that product to OpenSolaris, a Sun Contributor >>> Agreement is supposed to be on file. >>> >>> Bonnie >>> >>>> J?rg >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> awards-program mailing list >>> awards-program at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 11:34:44 2008 From: Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM (Alan Coopersmith) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:34:44 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477E88A4.9040801@Sun.COM> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <477E41AC.3010306@Sun.COM> <477E804D.9020203@Sun.COM> <477E8294.6050102@Sun.COM> <477E88A4.9040801@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477E8A54.50201@sun.com> Alta Elstad wrote: > Excellent questions and we need to get them resolved within the next few days. > People on this list: Please call in to the meetings or reply on this list. We > talked about allowing binary entries. What do you think? What kinds of entries > do we want? Is fixing a bite-sized bug an entry? Sun employees are not allowed > to help. What if someone asks a question on a forum and a Sun employee answers? > We can't prevent that; do we need to try to track it? What a nightmare. What do you mean Sun employees are not allowed to help? Given the current situation where doing almost anything requires a Sun employee inside the firewall to sponsor for you, there's no point in having a contest if Sun employees can't help. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 11:45:42 2008 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:45:42 -0700 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477E8A54.50201@sun.com> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <477E41AC.3010306@Sun.COM> <477E804D.9020203@Sun.COM> <477E8294.6050102@Sun.COM> <477E88A4.9040801@Sun.COM> <477E8A54.50201@sun.com> Message-ID: <477E8CE6.9010907@Sun.COM> Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Alta Elstad wrote: > >>Excellent questions and we need to get them resolved within the next few days. >>People on this list: Please call in to the meetings or reply on this list. We >>talked about allowing binary entries. What do you think? What kinds of entries >>do we want? Is fixing a bite-sized bug an entry? Sun employees are not allowed >>to help. What if someone asks a question on a forum and a Sun employee answers? >>We can't prevent that; do we need to try to track it? What a nightmare. > > > What do you mean Sun employees are not allowed to help? Given the current > situation where doing almost anything requires a Sun employee inside the > firewall to sponsor for you, there's no point in having a contest if Sun > employees can't help. > I think it depends on what the contest asks for. With respect to code, the contest does not have to require that code submissions to the OpenSolaris project (as opposed to standalone applications) be integrated into a code base to be valid submissions, for example. The contest could simply require that code be delivered in some form (source, binary or both, presumably along with documentation, and that judges determine whether the code 'works'. It can be left to some later date to determine whether any/all of the code submitted should be integrated into particular project or consolidation gates. I read Alta's comment above as meaning that Sun employees are not allowed to help people create their entries - providing design help or reviews or whatever. Bonnie From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 11:52:00 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:52:00 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477E8A54.50201@sun.com> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <477E41AC.3010306@Sun.COM> <477E804D.9020203@Sun.COM> <477E8294.6050102@Sun.COM> <477E88A4.9040801@Sun.COM> <477E8A54.50201@sun.com> Message-ID: <477E8E60.4090503@Sun.COM> I thought this came to us from higher up, but I looked in the PDF on the bottom of the contest planning page (http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Community_Innovation_Awards) and I do not see this requirement. All I see is "The entry must be the Entrant?s original work, created solely by the Entrant." So how much can a Sun employee help before that person would be collaborating on the entry? I don't think sponsorship of a putback counts. I think the contest entry would be the part that was submitted for sponsorship. Perhaps we will accept some types of entries that will never be submitted for integration. Application ports, documentation. Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Alta Elstad wrote: >> Excellent questions and we need to get them resolved within the next few days. >> People on this list: Please call in to the meetings or reply on this list. We >> talked about allowing binary entries. What do you think? What kinds of entries >> do we want? Is fixing a bite-sized bug an entry? Sun employees are not allowed >> to help. What if someone asks a question on a forum and a Sun employee answers? >> We can't prevent that; do we need to try to track it? What a nightmare. > > What do you mean Sun employees are not allowed to help? Given the current > situation where doing almost anything requires a Sun employee inside the > firewall to sponsor for you, there's no point in having a contest if Sun > employees can't help. From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 13:27:09 2008 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:27:09 -0700 Subject: [awards-program] meeting today In-Reply-To: <477E85F9.8010704@sun.com> References: <477E85F9.8010704@sun.com> Message-ID: <477EA4AD.6040600@Sun.COM> Jesse Silver wrote: > Alta and I would like to hold a meeting at 4pm PT today, but we want to > make sure other people can join us. > > Anyone planning on joining today at 4pm? > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program I can't make a 4pm PST meeting today. WRT the draft legal document: Section 4: SUBMISSION "execute on an OpenSolaris-based operating environment" - I assume a binary can be x86- or SPARC-only based on this requirement? If so, does that impact judging at all? If someone submits two binaries that run on both platforms, is that a plus? Extra points? Doesn't matter? If binary-only can be submitted, what do judges look for? Do you win if the binary simply runs? If source is also submitted, how is that judged? Is there a way to judge how 'cool' an application is or how useful or what kind of void it would fill in the OpenSolaris world? "reasonable documentation" - I suggest we define what we expectinstead of saying 'manual page' or 'reasonable documentation' - neither term is specific enough. I believe we're looking for documentation that will enable the judges to judge the entry: we're looking for technical documentation that explains what the software does, how to run it, what results to expect, etc. And a submission will have less chance of winning if the judges can't figure out what it is or how to run/use it. Do we need/want any criteria about non-code submissions? Do we want documentation in a particular format? If translations are admitted, what happens if we get a translation in a language for which we can't find people qualified to judge? If a video is submitted, do we want a tape or a DVD or either? Any length to the videos? Any criteria for subject matter? I'm assuming we will judge non-code categories of submissions based on the specific criteria for the category. But that means the criteria have to be defined for each category of entry. I'm honestly not trying to nit-pick here - I'm just thinking about what I'd want to know if I was considering submitting an entry. FWIW, I think we do need to spell out exactly where and how submissions are made. Section 5: JUDGING If binaries can be submitted without source code, how do we judge "quality of code/technical implementation" that is listed here as a judging criteria? How do we judge "difficulty of technical implementation" without code? I think this bullet is part of 'JUDGING' - the bullet that starts with "In the event of a tie". It says the highest score in "Difficulty of Technical Implementation" category will win. This implies that each sub-bullet under 'Value Proposition' is an area that will be judged for each entry. If so, that needs to be clear, and it needs to be clear whether they are weighted or simply added up or what. And what do we do about non-code entries for which this category may not even apply? We list a grand prize and second and third prizes. I like the idea of different values of prizes, but what are they for? If we get videos and apps and device drivers and bug fixes and new operating system technology and documentation and translations of docs or site pages or a new website design or whatever - how do we decide which get which level of prize? All of this makes me think we should discuss narrowing the scope - providing a set of categories with detail about what is being requested and how submissions will be judged. If we don't get any entries in a category, I guess that's ok. Apologies if I am going over ground covered before break. Bonnie From james.liu at sun.com Fri Jan 4 13:36:34 2008 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:36:34 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] meeting today In-Reply-To: <477EA4AD.6040600@Sun.COM> References: <477E85F9.8010704@sun.com> <477EA4AD.6040600@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477EA6E2.6090006@sun.com> I can call in at 4pm. -James +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D. | | Solaris x86 IHV OEM Engineering | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: > >>Alta and I would like to hold a meeting at 4pm PT today, but we want to >>make sure other people can join us. >> >>Anyone planning on joining today at 4pm? >>_______________________________________________ >>awards-program mailing list >>awards-program at opensolaris.org >>http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > > > I can't make a 4pm PST meeting today. > > WRT the draft legal document: > > Section 4: SUBMISSION > > "execute on an OpenSolaris-based operating environment" - I assume a > binary can be x86- or SPARC-only based on this requirement? If so, does > that impact judging at all? If someone submits two binaries that run on > both platforms, is that a plus? Extra points? Doesn't matter? > > If binary-only can be submitted, what do judges look for? Do you win if > the binary simply runs? If source is also submitted, how is that > judged? Is there a way to judge how 'cool' an application is or how > useful or what kind of void it would fill in the OpenSolaris world? > > "reasonable documentation" - I suggest we define what we expectinstead > of saying 'manual page' or 'reasonable documentation' - neither term is > specific enough. I believe we're looking for documentation that will > enable the judges to judge the entry: we're looking for technical > documentation that explains what the software does, how to run it, what > results to expect, etc. And a submission will have less chance of > winning if the judges can't figure out what it is or how to run/use it. > > Do we need/want any criteria about non-code submissions? Do we want > documentation in a particular format? If translations are admitted, > what happens if we get a translation in a language for which we can't > find people qualified to judge? If a video is submitted, do we want a > tape or a DVD or either? Any length to the videos? Any criteria for > subject matter? I'm assuming we will judge non-code categories of > submissions based on the specific criteria for the category. But that > means the criteria have to be defined for each category of entry. > > I'm honestly not trying to nit-pick here - I'm just thinking about what > I'd want to know if I was considering submitting an entry. > > FWIW, I think we do need to spell out exactly where and how submissions > are made. > > Section 5: JUDGING > > If binaries can be submitted without source code, how do we judge > "quality of code/technical implementation" that is listed here as a > judging criteria? How do we judge "difficulty of technical > implementation" without code? > > I think this bullet is part of 'JUDGING' - the bullet that starts with > "In the event of a tie". It says the highest score in "Difficulty of > Technical Implementation" category will win. This implies that each > sub-bullet under 'Value Proposition' is an area that will be judged for > each entry. If so, that needs to be clear, and it needs to be clear > whether they are weighted or simply added up or what. And what do we do > about non-code entries for which this category may not even apply? > > We list a grand prize and second and third prizes. I like the idea of > different values of prizes, but what are they for? If we get videos and > apps and device drivers and bug fixes and new operating system > technology and documentation and translations of docs or site pages or a > new website design or whatever - how do we decide which get which level > of prize? > > All of this makes me think we should discuss narrowing the scope - > providing a set of categories with detail about what is being requested > and how submissions will be judged. If we don't get any entries in a > category, I guess that's ok. > > Apologies if I am going over ground covered before break. > > Bonnie > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 14:33:00 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:33:00 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] meeting today In-Reply-To: <477EA4AD.6040600@Sun.COM> References: <477E85F9.8010704@sun.com> <477EA4AD.6040600@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477EB41C.70407@Sun.COM> Thank you so much, Bonnie. I wish you could join the phone discussion but I really appreciate your email input. Bonnie Corwin wrote: > WRT the draft legal document: > > Section 4: SUBMISSION > > "execute on an OpenSolaris-based operating environment" - I assume a > binary can be x86- or SPARC-only based on this requirement? If so, does > that impact judging at all? If someone submits two binaries that run on > both platforms, is that a plus? Extra points? Doesn't matter? > This could be a tie-breaker, along with quality, importance, difficulty. Things like importance, difficulty, coolness, usefulness are hard to define as judging criteria. Help on finalizing judging criteria is very welcome and is needed in the next couple of days. > If binary-only can be submitted, what do judges look for? Do you win if > the binary simply runs? If source is also submitted, how is that > judged? Is there a way to judge how 'cool' an application is or how > useful or what kind of void it would fill in the OpenSolaris world? > > "reasonable documentation" - I suggest we define what we expectinstead > of saying 'manual page' or 'reasonable documentation' - neither term is > specific enough. I believe we're looking for documentation that will > enable the judges to judge the entry: we're looking for technical > documentation that explains what the software does, how to run it, what > results to expect, etc. And a submission will have less chance of > winning if the judges can't figure out what it is or how to run/use it. > > Do we need/want any criteria about non-code submissions? Do we want > documentation in a particular format? If translations are admitted, > what happens if we get a translation in a language for which we can't > find people qualified to judge? If a video is submitted, do we want a > tape or a DVD or either? Any length to the videos? Any criteria for > subject matter? I'm assuming we will judge non-code categories of > submissions based on the specific criteria for the category. But that > means the criteria have to be defined for each category of entry. > We have been told that we have to have one judging team: the same judges for all entries; otherwise, judging isn't fair. We have also been told that we have to announce all judges before entries are accepted. Given this, it could be very difficult to allow a wide variety of different kinds of entries, although that is what we wanted. Perhaps we will have to narrow the scope of the contest, as you mention below. Ideas on this also are very welcome. Personally, I am not convinced that we should accept translations. One translation can be better than another, but I am not convinced that a translation is "the Entrant?s original work, created solely by the Entrant," and does not "infringe the copyright, trademark, privacy, publicity, or other intellectual rights of any person or entity." And then there is the judging problem that you mention. > I'm honestly not trying to nit-pick here - I'm just thinking about what > I'd want to know if I was considering submitting an entry. > > FWIW, I think we do need to spell out exactly where and how submissions > are made. > I really appreciate your input. These issues and others are important and must be resolved before the end of next week - yikes! > Section 5: JUDGING > > If binaries can be submitted without source code, how do we judge > "quality of code/technical implementation" that is listed here as a > judging criteria? How do we judge "difficulty of technical > implementation" without code? > Can the degree to which the application is bug free, does not have any adverse affect on the system, performs well attest to the quality of the code and implementation? Can the difficulty be judged without seeing the code? > I think this bullet is part of 'JUDGING' - the bullet that starts with > "In the event of a tie". It says the highest score in "Difficulty of > Technical Implementation" category will win. This implies that each > sub-bullet under 'Value Proposition' is an area that will be judged for > each entry. If so, that needs to be clear, and it needs to be clear > whether they are weighted or simply added up or what. And what do we do > about non-code entries for which this category may not even apply? > > We list a grand prize and second and third prizes. I like the idea of > different values of prizes, but what are they for? If we get videos and > apps and device drivers and bug fixes and new operating system > technology and documentation and translations of docs or site pages or a > new website design or whatever - how do we decide which get which level > of prize? > > All of this makes me think we should discuss narrowing the scope - > providing a set of categories with detail about what is being requested > and how submissions will be judged. If we don't get any entries in a > category, I guess that's ok. > > Apologies if I am going over ground covered before break. > > Bonnie > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Jan 4 14:37:14 2008 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:37:14 +0100 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477E8149.3050809@sun.com> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <477E8149.3050809@sun.com> Message-ID: <477eb51a.b7RkSqxjpXBZ+e/n%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Bonnie Corwin wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Legal has been clear since OpenSolaris launched that an SCA is required > >> for any/all contributions: code, documentation, translations, games, > >> designs, anything. If Legal had their way, anyone sending email would > >> have an SCA on file. > >> > >> An SCA is going to be required for all contributions to this contest. > >> We can doublecheck with Legal if you want, but this one's easy. > > > > I did contribute to the OpenSolaris project and I do not even know what an SCA > > is..... > > Sun employees and contractors don't need SCA's (Sun Contributor Agreements) > because we already have signed agreements with Sun granting full ownership > of the copyright to materials we develop (or whatever the local legal > equivalent is) - presumably you signed something like that already. This is for one part of my contributions.... I did contribute a lot of code and know how on how to create a completely free OpenSolaris based OS distribution. Later, other distributions have been created. They did take at least parts of this code and know how to create other distributions. It is obvious that my work was indeed a contribution to the OpenSolaris community. Whether or not _Sun_ did ever officially accepted this contribution is not important. It was used by the OpenSolaris community, so it helped the OpenSolaris "project". Let me add another contribution: cdrtools. I did never sign a contract with Sun on this contribution. IIRC, Someone from Sun did like a mail from me that I am either the Author/Copyrightholder or unaware of any irregularity in the legal state of the code. J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 15:11:55 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:11:55 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/3 Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <477eb51a.b7RkSqxjpXBZ+e/n%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <477D86B2.8050700@sun.com> <477E36BE.5000908@Sun.COM> <477e3e38.b2lPxsu683UvCiqc%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <477E8149.3050809@sun.com> <477eb51a.b7RkSqxjpXBZ+e/n%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <477EBD3B.8040000@sun.com> Joerg- These are both contributions that were highly appreciated by Sun and by the community, and when the program gets going, later this month, you should definitely think of submitting these as your projects. More info will come as soon as we finish working out the kinks - the announcement should come 1/14 or after. Joerg Schilling wrote: > Alan Coopersmith wrote: > > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >>> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Legal has been clear since OpenSolaris launched that an SCA is required >>>> for any/all contributions: code, documentation, translations, games, >>>> designs, anything. If Legal had their way, anyone sending email would >>>> have an SCA on file. >>>> >>>> An SCA is going to be required for all contributions to this contest. >>>> We can doublecheck with Legal if you want, but this one's easy. >>>> >>> I did contribute to the OpenSolaris project and I do not even know what an SCA >>> is..... >>> >> Sun employees and contractors don't need SCA's (Sun Contributor Agreements) >> because we already have signed agreements with Sun granting full ownership >> of the copyright to materials we develop (or whatever the local legal >> equivalent is) - presumably you signed something like that already. >> > > This is for one part of my contributions.... > > I did contribute a lot of code and know how on how to create a completely free > OpenSolaris based OS distribution. Later, other distributions have been created. > They did take at least parts of this code and know how to create other > distributions. It is obvious that my work was indeed a contribution to the > OpenSolaris community. Whether or not _Sun_ did ever officially accepted this > contribution is not important. It was used by the OpenSolaris community, so it > helped the OpenSolaris "project". > > Let me add another contribution: cdrtools. I did never sign a contract with > Sun on this contribution. IIRC, Someone from Sun did like a mail from me that > I am either the Author/Copyrightholder or unaware of any irregularity in the > legal state of the code. > J?rg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 15:13:49 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:13:49 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] meeting today In-Reply-To: <477EA6E2.6090006@sun.com> References: <477E85F9.8010704@sun.com> <477EA4AD.6040600@Sun.COM> <477EA6E2.6090006@sun.com> Message-ID: <477EBDAD.4000904@sun.com> Great, let's go ahead with the meeting. James C. Liu wrote: > I can call in at 4pm. > > -James > +------------------------------------------------+ > | James C. Liu, Ph.D. | > | Solaris x86 IHV OEM Engineering | > | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | > | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | > | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | > | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | > +------------------------------------------------+ > > > > Bonnie Corwin wrote: > >> Jesse Silver wrote: >> >> >>> Alta and I would like to hold a meeting at 4pm PT today, but we want to >>> make sure other people can join us. >>> >>> Anyone planning on joining today at 4pm? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> awards-program mailing list >>> awards-program at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program >>> >> I can't make a 4pm PST meeting today. >> >> WRT the draft legal document: >> >> Section 4: SUBMISSION >> >> "execute on an OpenSolaris-based operating environment" - I assume a >> binary can be x86- or SPARC-only based on this requirement? If so, does >> that impact judging at all? If someone submits two binaries that run on >> both platforms, is that a plus? Extra points? Doesn't matter? >> >> If binary-only can be submitted, what do judges look for? Do you win if >> the binary simply runs? If source is also submitted, how is that >> judged? Is there a way to judge how 'cool' an application is or how >> useful or what kind of void it would fill in the OpenSolaris world? >> >> "reasonable documentation" - I suggest we define what we expectinstead >> of saying 'manual page' or 'reasonable documentation' - neither term is >> specific enough. I believe we're looking for documentation that will >> enable the judges to judge the entry: we're looking for technical >> documentation that explains what the software does, how to run it, what >> results to expect, etc. And a submission will have less chance of >> winning if the judges can't figure out what it is or how to run/use it. >> >> Do we need/want any criteria about non-code submissions? Do we want >> documentation in a particular format? If translations are admitted, >> what happens if we get a translation in a language for which we can't >> find people qualified to judge? If a video is submitted, do we want a >> tape or a DVD or either? Any length to the videos? Any criteria for >> subject matter? I'm assuming we will judge non-code categories of >> submissions based on the specific criteria for the category. But that >> means the criteria have to be defined for each category of entry. >> >> I'm honestly not trying to nit-pick here - I'm just thinking about what >> I'd want to know if I was considering submitting an entry. >> >> FWIW, I think we do need to spell out exactly where and how submissions >> are made. >> >> Section 5: JUDGING >> >> If binaries can be submitted without source code, how do we judge >> "quality of code/technical implementation" that is listed here as a >> judging criteria? How do we judge "difficulty of technical >> implementation" without code? >> >> I think this bullet is part of 'JUDGING' - the bullet that starts with >> "In the event of a tie". It says the highest score in "Difficulty of >> Technical Implementation" category will win. This implies that each >> sub-bullet under 'Value Proposition' is an area that will be judged for >> each entry. If so, that needs to be clear, and it needs to be clear >> whether they are weighted or simply added up or what. And what do we do >> about non-code entries for which this category may not even apply? >> >> We list a grand prize and second and third prizes. I like the idea of >> different values of prizes, but what are they for? If we get videos and >> apps and device drivers and bug fixes and new operating system >> technology and documentation and translations of docs or site pages or a >> new website design or whatever - how do we decide which get which level >> of prize? >> >> All of this makes me think we should discuss narrowing the scope - >> providing a set of categories with detail about what is being requested >> and how submissions will be judged. If we don't get any entries in a >> category, I guess that's ok. >> >> Apologies if I am going over ground covered before break. >> >> Bonnie >> _______________________________________________ >> awards-program mailing list >> awards-program at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program >> > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 15:14:06 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:14:06 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] REMINDER: Meeting Today, 4pm PT Message-ID: <477EBDBE.3030506@sun.com> Reminder to all: Meeting in 40 minutes, at 4pm PT. (866)230-6968 Int'l Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (865)544-7856 ACCESS CODE: 2192132 From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 15:19:34 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:19:34 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] meeting today In-Reply-To: <477EA4AD.6040600@Sun.COM> References: <477E85F9.8010704@sun.com> <477EA4AD.6040600@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <477EBF06.1020508@sun.com> Thanks for the input Bonnie! We'll go over your points in the meeting today. Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: >> Alta and I would like to hold a meeting at 4pm PT today, but we want >> to make sure other people can join us. >> >> Anyone planning on joining today at 4pm? >> _______________________________________________ >> awards-program mailing list >> awards-program at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > > I can't make a 4pm PST meeting today. > > WRT the draft legal document: > > Section 4: SUBMISSION > > "execute on an OpenSolaris-based operating environment" - I assume a > binary can be x86- or SPARC-only based on this requirement? If so, > does that impact judging at all? If someone submits two binaries that > run on both platforms, is that a plus? Extra points? Doesn't matter? > > If binary-only can be submitted, what do judges look for? Do you win > if the binary simply runs? If source is also submitted, how is that > judged? Is there a way to judge how 'cool' an application is or how > useful or what kind of void it would fill in the OpenSolaris world? > > "reasonable documentation" - I suggest we define what we expectinstead > of saying 'manual page' or 'reasonable documentation' - neither term > is specific enough. I believe we're looking for documentation that > will enable the judges to judge the entry: we're looking for technical > documentation that explains what the software does, how to run it, > what results to expect, etc. And a submission will have less chance > of winning if the judges can't figure out what it is or how to run/use > it. > > Do we need/want any criteria about non-code submissions? Do we want > documentation in a particular format? If translations are admitted, > what happens if we get a translation in a language for which we can't > find people qualified to judge? If a video is submitted, do we want a > tape or a DVD or either? Any length to the videos? Any criteria for > subject matter? I'm assuming we will judge non-code categories of > submissions based on the specific criteria for the category. But that > means the criteria have to be defined for each category of entry. > > I'm honestly not trying to nit-pick here - I'm just thinking about > what I'd want to know if I was considering submitting an entry. > > FWIW, I think we do need to spell out exactly where and how > submissions are made. > > Section 5: JUDGING > > If binaries can be submitted without source code, how do we judge > "quality of code/technical implementation" that is listed here as a > judging criteria? How do we judge "difficulty of technical > implementation" without code? > > I think this bullet is part of 'JUDGING' - the bullet that starts with > "In the event of a tie". It says the highest score in "Difficulty of > Technical Implementation" category will win. This implies that each > sub-bullet under 'Value Proposition' is an area that will be judged > for each entry. If so, that needs to be clear, and it needs to be > clear whether they are weighted or simply added up or what. And what > do we do about non-code entries for which this category may not even > apply? > > We list a grand prize and second and third prizes. I like the idea of > different values of prizes, but what are they for? If we get videos > and apps and device drivers and bug fixes and new operating system > technology and documentation and translations of docs or site pages or > a new website design or whatever - how do we decide which get which > level of prize? > > All of this makes me think we should discuss narrowing the scope - > providing a set of categories with detail about what is being > requested and how submissions will be judged. If we don't get any > entries in a category, I guess that's ok. > > Apologies if I am going over ground covered before break. > > Bonnie From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 15:22:15 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:22:15 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Meeting times next week Message-ID: <477EBFA7.1000106@sun.com> Should we keep the meetings at 4pm next week? Is there anyone out there who hasn't been attending because of the time, and would if we changed it? From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Jan 4 17:47:07 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:47:07 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/4 Meeting Notes Message-ID: <477EE19B.9070204@sun.com> Note: considering our lengthy and varied conversation, I'm sure I missed some discussed topics. James, Alta and Ben, please fill in these notes if you find holes. Participants: Jesse Silver Alta Elstad James Liu Ben Rockwood Pass down: -Press release and contest launch has been pushed back to 1/23. -We need to get a description of our contest written by 1/11 to be put into the press release. This may include judges names, if we can find luminaries to participate. Discussion: -Should we resurrect categories to some extent? There is much debate on this topic. -We should make the rules as vague as possible, and lay out specifics in the FAQ. -How do we ensure that past work is rewarded, while biasing toward current work? Maybe some judging category like current originality, or current need for solution, is called for. -We should allow only one person to sign up as team leader, and prize money is awarded to him/her. That person can dole out prize to the rest of team. Sun will not be a party to legal disputes once prize money is awarded. -We really need to get the specifics around the SCA, CDDL, and other licenses sorted out. Action Items: -FAQ, FAQ, FAQ! -Think about ways to promote contest. We need to go BIG. -Get some judges by 1/11, though can drop out and use back up judges. From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Mon Jan 7 08:35:34 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:35:34 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] [Fwd: Re: URGENT: Annoucement Date for Awards] Message-ID: <478254D6.2080303@sun.com> FYI - OK to announce grant recipients in April or May. T -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: URGENT: Annoucement Date for Awards Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:30:29 -0800 From: Micheline Nijmeh To: Teresa Giacomini , Beth Magnuson References: <478252B4.3030306 at sun.com> This should not be a problem. I'd like to actually see the rules you've set up. Can you please send to Beth and myself? Thanks, Micheline Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi Micheline, > > I have not heard back from you on this. And, in re-reading, I meant > to say grant the money in August! > > We are waiting for you answer before pursuing the university grant > program. So, we would like > to announce the grant recipients in April or May, but not give them > the money until all the awards > are given in August. > > Thanks, > T > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: URGENT: Annoucement Date for Awards > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:43:51 -0800 > From: Teresa Giacomini > To: Micheline Nijmeh > CC: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM > > > > Can we announce winners in say April or May but not grant the money > until June? > From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Mon Jan 7 15:15:23 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:15:23 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting TODAY - 4pm PT Message-ID: <4782B28B.2030000@Sun.COM> Hi everyone, We will have a meeting at 4pm PT today. Sorry for the late notice. First day back... Dial-in Info: ------------- 866-651-9314 865-525-0765 x44404 p/c 1234403 Speak with you then, T From james.liu at sun.com Mon Jan 7 15:48:27 2008 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:48:27 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting TODAY - 4pm PT In-Reply-To: <4782B28B.2030000@Sun.COM> References: <4782B28B.2030000@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4782BA4B.90706@sun.com> Have an Intel driver meeting today at 4pm. Will probably be late into the call. -James +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D. | | Solaris x86 IHV OEM Engineering | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We will have a meeting at 4pm PT today. Sorry for the late notice. > First day back... > > Dial-in Info: > ------------- > 866-651-9314 > 865-525-0765 x44404 > p/c 1234403 > > Speak with you then, > T > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Jan 7 16:03:23 2008 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:03:23 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Some Notes Message-ID: <4782BDCB.2080104@cuddletech.com> The following are some general thoughts based on the Thursday call. These are collective based on the discussion and I do not claim to be the originator of them all. * Cash Prizes are certainly simpler than non-cash. * Large non-cash prizes aren't doable. Giving someone a $35,000 BMW also hands them a big tax bill to boot. Thus, any non-cash prizes must be small. * Thanks to our "sweepstakes culture", a $1,000 prize seems insignificant. Therefore, items of mystique can cost less and excite more. Examples: ** An iPhone ** An IronKey USB ThumbDrive ** An "Optimus Maximus" Keyboard (http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/) ** A MacBook Pro ** An Asus EEE PC (http://eeepc.asus.com/global/) ** Ultra 40 Workstation ** Sun 24" Inch Monitor * I like the idea of a "Developer of the Year", where the prize is "The Ultimate Development Workstation!!!" or something. (Sends a good message and makes for a good photo op). This might be the "Grand Priz Winner". * We need clear goals to determine what OpenSolaris will ultimately get in exchange for these prizes. That is: ** If we want to increase a given metric, categories are created to drive submissions in that direction ** If we want to solve certain problems, we create categories again ** If we want to just increase awareness, then we go for the widest possible submissions * Perhaps the largest concern is, what if we don't get "enough" submissions and what if some of those submissions are not worthy of the prize: ** We have to give the money away. ** We should leave some flexibility in the rules, so that if some minimum number of entries come in, for instance, we can consolidate the prizes elsewhere. ** Ultimately, there isn't much we can do about this. * Integration should not be a factor, whether its used or not, if its submitted its valid barring any legal issues (covered by the SCA, CDDL or other license, such as ownership of original IP) * The submissions shouldn't be dependent on being accepted, however they must not bypass governance or the community structure. That is, we want contributers to participate in the community, not just dump a code chunket onto an FTP site and wait for their prize. * The idea of a "grand priz" to be given on top of a category prize (from OpenSPARC I think) is a good idea. You get $10,000 for winning "Best New Driver" and then $20,000 more for winning "Best In Show", for instance. More ideas to flow. benr. From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Mon Jan 7 17:16:15 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:16:15 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Meeting Notes: Awards Program 1/7 Message-ID: <4782CEDF.6010500@Sun.COM> Here are the notes from today's meeting. Please feel free to correct if I missed or mis-represented something. T Attendees ------------ Teresa Alta Ben James *FAQ* * How do I register for the contest? * How do I submit my entry? (Is this different for different types of submissions?) * Is it required to disclose my idea in advance? * Where can I find out what other people are doing, so I can collaborate with them? Or, not do the same thing? * Why should I register early? * What are the important dates? * Is the process the same for requesting a sponsor and participating in the contest? [don't want the contest to bypass the communities themselves - we want people to participate in the community, so we want to make sure we do not set up a process that bypasses community involvement] [what about issues of Sun involvement? how closely can a Sun employee work with the community and not be considered a participant? most of the community today is Sun people. Is there a problem if someone provides feedback and does not get compensated?] * Do I need to sign an SCA in order to participate? Do all types of entries require this? * Do I need to use CDDL? Do all types of entries require this? * What are the judging criteria? Are the criteria different for different categories? * How are the funds allocated amongst the categories? * Do you have any ideas of something that I could do for this contest? Do we need to figure out the submission process by January 23rd too? Could we do something like this.... Submissions will be accepted beginning on March 1, 2008. The procedure to follow in submitting your entries will be posted on or before that date. *Categories* * We have still not decided if we are or are not going to have categories * Concept of grand prize * Minimum of 3 entries in a given category or money allocated to that goes to grand prize * Allocate funds to community groups * Make community leader of each community group the judge * Do we want to clean up the communities in time for this contest? * Can use the same set of judges for all entries if we do not have categories? * Participant chooses the category they want to be judged in * Weighting factors may be different by category From benr at cuddletech.com Tue Jan 8 02:59:24 2008 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:59:24 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Contest Organization Proposal: CG Based Message-ID: <4783578C.3090008@cuddletech.com> I believe that the community is best served by integrating the contest as seamlessly as possible into the existing structure. The goal is to encourage growth and force contestants to work within the system, rather than around it. Ultimately, I want people to be involved with the community and work with it, not just submit contributions ad hoc. I would suggest that of the current CG's, the following constitute the "core" groups: Academic Advocacy Appliances Desktop Drivers Docs Games HPC Installation and Packaging i18n Networking ON Performance Security Storage All of these groups a sufficiently broad as to incorporate a range of potential projects without being overly specific, as opposed to CG's that should be projects, such as Xen, SMF, Zones, etc. Each core CG would represent a category. The Core Contributers would manage and judge the submissions within their CG. This encourages contestants to actually find the appropriate CG, begin a dialog, become a contributer, and go through the applicable processes for contribution. In this way, you don't "submit" to the contest, per se, but rather you contribute and are rewarded. In this model, prizes would be broken down by CG, $100 for 15 groups means that prizes are smaller. The model might be: CG First Prize: $3,500 CG Runner Up: $1,500 This would leave $25,000 potentially (assuming there is $100,000 overall) for a grand-prize, or maybe a smaller $15,000 grand prize (added to your CG winnings) and $10,000 second. So pro's and con's... Pro's: * This model encourage activity within our structure which will hopefully have long lasting effects beyond the contest. * This model infuses interest in CG's that are inactive now. * This model is fairly straight forward, leveraging the current leadership Con's: * More people involved, meaning more coordination and potential confusion. * Smaller prizes * Because the OGB has not yet re-structured the CG's, deciding which CG's are "core" and which are not could cause tension. benr. From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Tue Jan 8 08:23:26 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:23:26 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Meeting Notes: Awards Program 1/7 In-Reply-To: <4782CEDF.6010500@Sun.COM> References: <4782CEDF.6010500@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4783A37E.8060500@sun.com> Hi all- I will be on an airplane during today's meeting and thus send everyone my best. Regarding the submission process, I don't think we need that hammered out quite yet - I'm pretty sure all we need are the rules, and a webpage by 1/23. Have a great day! -J Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Here are the notes from today's meeting. Please feel free to correct if > I missed or mis-represented something. > > T > > Attendees > ------------ > Teresa > Alta > Ben > James > > > *FAQ* > > * How do I register for the contest? > * How do I submit my entry? (Is this different for different types of > submissions?) > * Is it required to disclose my idea in advance? > * Where can I find out what other people are doing, so I can collaborate > with them? Or, not do the same thing? > * Why should I register early? > * What are the important dates? > * Is the process the same for requesting a sponsor and participating in > the contest? > [don't want the contest to bypass the communities themselves - we want > people to participate in the community, so we want to make sure we do > not set up a process that bypasses community involvement] [what about > issues of Sun involvement? how closely can a Sun employee work with the > community and not be considered a participant? most of the community > today is Sun people. Is there a problem if someone provides feedback > and does not get compensated?] > * Do I need to sign an SCA in order to participate? Do all types of > entries require this? > * Do I need to use CDDL? Do all types of entries require this? > * What are the judging criteria? Are the criteria different for > different categories? > * How are the funds allocated amongst the categories? > * Do you have any ideas of something that I could do for this contest? > > > Do we need to figure out the submission process by January 23rd too? > Could we do something like this.... Submissions will be accepted > beginning on March 1, 2008. The procedure to follow in submitting your > entries will be posted on or before that date. > > > *Categories* > > * We have still not decided if we are or are not going to have categories > * Concept of grand prize > * Minimum of 3 entries in a given category or money allocated to that > goes to grand prize > * Allocate funds to community groups > * Make community leader of each community group the judge > * Do we want to clean up the communities in time for this contest? > * Can use the same set of judges for all entries if we do not have > categories? > * Participant chooses the category they want to be judged in > * Weighting factors may be different by category > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Tue Jan 8 11:01:14 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:01:14 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting TODAY - 4pm PT Message-ID: <4783C87A.1080508@sun.com> Hi everyone, We will have a meeting at 4pm PT today. And, unless otherwise agreed, we will be meeting daily at 4pm all week, and maybe even until 1/23. Dial-in Info: ------------- 866-651-9314 865-525-0765 x44404 p/c 1234403 Agenda ------ - Categories - Review Ben's proposal - Review James' proposal - Student Grant Program - FAQ - Website Speak with you then, T From james.liu at sun.com Tue Jan 8 15:31:50 2008 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:31:50 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Contest Organization Proposal: CG Based In-Reply-To: <4783578C.3090008@cuddletech.com> References: <4783578C.3090008@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <478407E6.4090102@sun.com> Thanks for your comments Ben. I was supposed to send this out by Lunch today, but had other issues come up. Hopefully, people will have time to read this before 4pm today. While Ben is suggesting that we look at splitting up the "pie" and allocating monies to certain classes of entries, my A.I. yesterday was to come up with Judging criteria for different types of submissions. The idea I had was that instead of splitting up the pie, we keep it all one pie, and all entries have a chance to win slices of the pie, but the way they are judged varies depending on how users want to submit their entries. I had some rough ideas of different categories of submissions. a) kernel modifications, modules, utilities and libraries b) user applications, libraries, utilities c) written content - e.g. how-tos, FAQs, texts, documentation d) visual content - e.g. videos, artwork For all categories, I was thinking of judging criteria based on points and weighting. For (a) and (b) entries which are code entries Suggestions: 1. usefulness to the endusers and/or the community (33.3%) - competitive need relative to other OS? - attractiveness to users - usability of implementation - documentation - timeliness to market 2. technical difficulty of implementation (33.3%) - depth of knowledge required for implementation - quantity of code, functions, and features - quality and cleanliness of code 3. innovation (33.3%) - market disruptiveness - originality of implementation - market potential for adoption For (c) and (d), I might want the judges to weight entries based on the following: 1. Publication quality (35%) - quality of work (syntax, diction, grammar, editing, visual artwork) - publication readiness - layout, direction, animation - professionalism 2. Artistic Quality (35%) - interpretation of objective or theme - style (of writing or artwork) 3. Enduser acceptance (30%) - public appeal - usefulness to the community - market potential and disruptiveness The way the judging works on this might require that the judging teams view a number of sample submissions to have a spectrum of what the average is, and then based on that average, to issue points from say, 0-10 for each major category, which is then weighted by the percentage which we will decide here. E.g. Someone submits a port of gmplayer on Solaris. They score an average of: 1. usefulness - 9/10 2. technical difficulty - 8/10 3. innovation - 5/10 Their aggregate score is 9x0.333 + 8x0.333 + 5x0.333 = 7.326 out of a possible 10 points. What do people think? -James +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D. | | Solaris x86 IHV OEM Engineering | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Ben Rockwood wrote: > I believe that the community is best served by integrating the contest > as seamlessly as possible into the existing structure. The goal is to > encourage growth and force contestants to work within the system, rather > than around it. Ultimately, I want people to be involved with the > community and work with it, not just submit contributions ad hoc. > > I would suggest that of the current CG's, the following constitute the > "core" groups: > > Academic > Advocacy > Appliances > Desktop > Drivers > Docs > Games > HPC > Installation and Packaging > i18n > Networking > ON > Performance > Security > Storage > > All of these groups a sufficiently broad as to incorporate a range of > potential projects without being overly specific, as opposed to CG's > that should be projects, such as Xen, SMF, Zones, etc. > > Each core CG would represent a category. The Core Contributers would > manage and judge the submissions within their CG. This encourages > contestants to actually find the appropriate CG, begin a dialog, become > a contributer, and go through the applicable processes for > contribution. In this way, you don't "submit" to the contest, per se, > but rather you contribute and are rewarded. > > In this model, prizes would be broken down by CG, $100 for 15 groups > means that prizes are smaller. The model might be: > > CG First Prize: $3,500 > CG Runner Up: $1,500 > > This would leave $25,000 potentially (assuming there is $100,000 > overall) for a grand-prize, or maybe a smaller $15,000 grand prize > (added to your CG winnings) and $10,000 second. > > > So pro's and con's... > > Pro's: > * This model encourage activity within our structure which will > hopefully have long lasting effects beyond the contest. > * This model infuses interest in CG's that are inactive now. > * This model is fairly straight forward, leveraging the current leadership > > Con's: > * More people involved, meaning more coordination and potential confusion. > * Smaller prizes > * Because the OGB has not yet re-structured the CG's, deciding which > CG's are "core" and which are not could cause tension. > > > benr. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Tue Jan 8 15:49:35 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:49:35 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Contest Organization Proposal: CG Based In-Reply-To: <4783578C.3090008@cuddletech.com> References: <4783578C.3090008@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <47840C0F.9000201@Sun.COM> A community is collaborative, a contest is competitive. I think we have to be a little careful. If Person B complains that we gave Person A $3,500 when he, Person B, made design suggestions, I don't think it will be good community relations to simply say, That's your problem with Person A, work it out with him. I think the way the contest and the research grants will get people involved in communities and projects is that entrants will need to investigate, study, download, use OpenSolaris in order to create an entry. I think we have seen a few entrants in the current contest in India who are looking at a bug, looking at the code, and taking a stab at a solution without ever downloading, installing, running OpenSolaris or testing their solution. Signing an SCA and going through the request-sponsor process does not guarantee engagement with the OpenSolaris community and apparently does not even guarantee use of OpenSolaris or understanding of it. Perhaps we can encourage people to get more engaged by requiring that code entries must also submit a detailed description of what they did to test their code. We had decided against defining awards for specific categories because what if we don't get any entries in one category? Or what if all the entries in category A far outshine any of the entries in category B? We decided instead to post a list of ideas for entries. Definitely people who are involved in any way in judging cannot submit their own entries. So the core contributors from each community cannot both participate in the contest and manage and judge submissions. One or the other. Even so, it would leave the process open to criticism that the community leaders are picking their pals as winners. Ben Rockwood wrote: > I believe that the community is best served by integrating the contest > as seamlessly as possible into the existing structure. The goal is to > encourage growth and force contestants to work within the system, rather > than around it. Ultimately, I want people to be involved with the > community and work with it, not just submit contributions ad hoc. > > I would suggest that of the current CG's, the following constitute the > "core" groups: > > Academic > Advocacy > Appliances > Desktop > Drivers > Docs > Games > HPC > Installation and Packaging > i18n > Networking > ON > Performance > Security > Storage > > All of these groups a sufficiently broad as to incorporate a range of > potential projects without being overly specific, as opposed to CG's > that should be projects, such as Xen, SMF, Zones, etc. > > Each core CG would represent a category. The Core Contributers would > manage and judge the submissions within their CG. This encourages > contestants to actually find the appropriate CG, begin a dialog, become > a contributer, and go through the applicable processes for > contribution. In this way, you don't "submit" to the contest, per se, > but rather you contribute and are rewarded. > > In this model, prizes would be broken down by CG, $100 for 15 groups > means that prizes are smaller. The model might be: > > CG First Prize: $3,500 > CG Runner Up: $1,500 > > This would leave $25,000 potentially (assuming there is $100,000 > overall) for a grand-prize, or maybe a smaller $15,000 grand prize > (added to your CG winnings) and $10,000 second. > > > So pro's and con's... > > Pro's: > * This model encourage activity within our structure which will > hopefully have long lasting effects beyond the contest. > * This model infuses interest in CG's that are inactive now. > * This model is fairly straight forward, leveraging the current leadership > > Con's: > * More people involved, meaning more coordination and potential confusion. > * Smaller prizes > * Because the OGB has not yet re-structured the CG's, deciding which > CG's are "core" and which are not could cause tension. > > > benr. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From james.liu at sun.com Tue Jan 8 16:10:34 2008 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:10:34 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting TODAY - 4pm PT In-Reply-To: <4783C87A.1080508@sun.com> References: <4783C87A.1080508@sun.com> Message-ID: <478410FA.8020406@sun.com> It's 4:10 pm.... no one on the call? -James +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D. | | Solaris x86 IHV OEM Engineering | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We will have a meeting at 4pm PT today. And, unless otherwise agreed, we will be meeting > daily at 4pm all week, and maybe even until 1/23. > > Dial-in Info: > ------------- > 866-651-9314 > 865-525-0765 x44404 > p/c 1234403 > > Agenda > ------ > - Categories > - Review Ben's proposal > - Review James' proposal > > - Student Grant Program > - FAQ > - Website > > Speak with you then, > T > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Jan 8 16:13:23 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:13:23 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting TODAY - 4pm PT In-Reply-To: <478410FA.8020406@sun.com> References: <4783C87A.1080508@sun.com> <478410FA.8020406@sun.com> Message-ID: <478411A3.1020501@sun.com> Very nice music :) I'm on hold ... James C. Liu wrote: > It's 4:10 pm.... no one on the call? > > -James > +------------------------------------------------+ > | James C. Liu, Ph.D. | > | Solaris x86 IHV OEM Engineering | > | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | > | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | > | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | > | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | > +------------------------------------------------+ > > > > Teresa Giacomini wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> We will have a meeting at 4pm PT today. And, unless otherwise agreed, we will be meeting >> daily at 4pm all week, and maybe even until 1/23. >> >> Dial-in Info: >> ------------- >> 866-651-9314 >> 865-525-0765 x44404 >> p/c 1234403 >> >> Agenda >> ------ >> - Categories >> - Review Ben's proposal >> - Review James' proposal >> >> - Student Grant Program >> - FAQ >> - Website >> >> Speak with you then, >> T >> >> _______________________________________________ >> awards-program mailing list >> awards-program at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program >> > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > From james.liu at sun.com Tue Jan 8 16:27:47 2008 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:27:47 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting TODAY - 4pm PT In-Reply-To: <478411A3.1020501@sun.com> References: <4783C87A.1080508@sun.com> <478410FA.8020406@sun.com> <478411A3.1020501@sun.com> Message-ID: <47841503.3010305@sun.com> I'm still on hold, called Teresa at 4:11pm and again at 4:18pm. Left voicemail. Hope she's okay. I guess the call is a wash today. I have another call at 5pm and again at 6pm and I need to upgrade my machine. -James +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D. | | Solaris x86 IHV OEM Engineering | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Very nice music :) I'm on hold ... > > James C. Liu wrote: > >>It's 4:10 pm.... no one on the call? >> >>-James >>+------------------------------------------------+ >>| James C. Liu, Ph.D. | >>| Solaris x86 IHV OEM Engineering | >>| Sun Microsystems, Inc. | >>| 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | >>| Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | >>| +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | >>+------------------------------------------------+ >> >> >> >>Teresa Giacomini wrote: >> >> >>>Hi everyone, >>> >>>We will have a meeting at 4pm PT today. And, unless otherwise agreed, we will be meeting >>>daily at 4pm all week, and maybe even until 1/23. >>> >>>Dial-in Info: >>>------------- >>>866-651-9314 >>>865-525-0765 x44404 >>>p/c 1234403 >>> >>>Agenda >>>------ >>>- Categories >>> - Review Ben's proposal >>> - Review James' proposal >>> >>>- Student Grant Program >>>- FAQ >>>- Website >>> >>>Speak with you then, >>>T >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>awards-program mailing list >>>awards-program at opensolaris.org >>>http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>awards-program mailing list >>awards-program at opensolaris.org >>http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program >> > > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From benr at cuddletech.com Tue Jan 8 16:27:15 2008 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:27:15 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting TODAY - 4pm PT In-Reply-To: <478411A3.1020501@sun.com> References: <4783C87A.1080508@sun.com> <478410FA.8020406@sun.com> <478411A3.1020501@sun.com> Message-ID: <478414E3.8000207@cuddletech.com> I was on for 10 minutes, then go disconnect. Its 4:26, I've called back in and still no host. Gonna give up on this call. benr. Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Very nice music :) I'm on hold ... > > James C. Liu wrote: > >> It's 4:10 pm.... no one on the call? >> From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Jan 8 16:33:39 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:33:39 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting TODAY - 4pm PT In-Reply-To: <478414E3.8000207@cuddletech.com> References: <4783C87A.1080508@sun.com> <478410FA.8020406@sun.com> <478411A3.1020501@sun.com> <478414E3.8000207@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <47841663.3060601@sun.com> I got bumped after 20 mins. Maybe we can have a couple of people who share the host code so the call can be initiated even if someone is late. I'll check with Teresa ... Ben Rockwood wrote: > I was on for 10 minutes, then go disconnect. Its 4:26, I've called > back in and still no host. Gonna give up on this call. > > benr. > > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> Very nice music :) I'm on hold ... >> >> James C. Liu wrote: >> >>> It's 4:10 pm.... no one on the call? >>> > From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Wed Jan 9 01:00:23 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:00:23 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] FAQ Message-ID: <47848D27.3040108@Sun.COM> I have done some work on the FAQ: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Awards_Program_FAQ Review, comment, change From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Wed Jan 9 11:14:33 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:14:33 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting TODAY - 4pm PT In-Reply-To: <4783C87A.1080508@sun.com> References: <4783C87A.1080508@sun.com> Message-ID: <47851D19.1070700@sun.com> First, I apologize about yesterday. All is well. My daughter was ill and I had to pick her up from school and my cell phone died! We will be meeting today, same agenda. I will also pass my host code on to Alta and Jim just in case something else happens. Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We will have a meeting at 4pm PT today. And, unless otherwise agreed, we will be meeting > daily at 4pm all week, and maybe even until 1/23. > > Dial-in Info: > ------------- > 866-651-9314 > 865-525-0765 x44404 > p/c 1234403 > > Agenda > ------ > - Categories > - Review Ben's proposal > - Review James' proposal > > - Student Grant Program > - FAQ > - Website > > Speak with you then, > T > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Jan 10 10:19:41 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:19:41 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] [Fwd: New Judging Criteria - OpenSolaris] Message-ID: <478661BD.6040904@Sun.COM> Here's the note I sent off to the attorneys yesterday. Comments? T ======================================================== Jen, Linda, Here are some new judging criteria for the OpenSolaris awards. Can you please incorporate them in? Do we have to declare the weighting up front? Our intention is that only the main idea would be in the rules; the bullets underneath would go in the instructions to the judges and the FAQ. Thanks, T Code Contributions: 1. Usefulness to the endusers and/or the community (33%) - competitive need relative to other OS? - attractiveness to users - usability of implementation - documentation - timeliness to market 2. Technical difficulty of implementation (33%) - depth of knowledge required for implementation - quantity of code, functions, and features - quality and cleanliness of code 3. Innovation (34%) - market disruptiveness - originality of implementation - market potential for adoption Non-code Contributions: 1. Enduser Acceptance (33%) - public appeal - usefulness to the community - market potential and disruptiveness 2. Publication Quality (33%) - quality of work (syntax, diction, grammar, editing, visual artwork) - publication readiness - layout, direction, animation - professionalism 3. Artistic Quality (34%) - interpretation of objective or theme - style (of writing or artwork) - originality of work From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Jan 10 12:45:01 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:45:01 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] update Message-ID: <478683CD.2080605@sun.com> Team- I'll be getting on a plane soon after today's meeting begins, and will have to miss, but will FINALLY be back tomorrow. The progress I've seen on the lists is great, and can't wait to get my hands dirty again. Talk to you all tomorrow, Jesse From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Jan 10 12:59:08 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:59:08 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] [Fwd: New Judging Criteria - OpenSolaris] In-Reply-To: <478661BD.6040904@Sun.COM> References: <478661BD.6040904@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4786871C.6030908@sun.com> These are fabulous! Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Here's the note I sent off to the attorneys yesterday. Comments? > > T > > ======================================================== > > Jen, Linda, > > Here are some new judging criteria for the OpenSolaris awards. Can you > please incorporate them in? Do we have to declare the weighting up > front? Our intention is that only the main idea would be in the rules; > the bullets underneath would go in the instructions to the judges and > the FAQ. > > Thanks, > T > > Code Contributions: > > 1. Usefulness to the endusers and/or the community (33%) > - competitive need relative to other OS? > - attractiveness to users > - usability of implementation > - documentation > - timeliness to market > 2. Technical difficulty of implementation (33%) > - depth of knowledge required for implementation > - quantity of code, functions, and features > - quality and cleanliness of code > 3. Innovation (34%) > - market disruptiveness > - originality of implementation > - market potential for adoption > > > Non-code Contributions: > > 1. Enduser Acceptance (33%) > - public appeal > - usefulness to the community > - market potential and disruptiveness > > 2. Publication Quality (33%) > - quality of work (syntax, diction, grammar, editing, > visual artwork) > - publication readiness > - layout, direction, animation > - professionalism > > 3. Artistic Quality (34%) > - interpretation of objective or theme > - style (of writing or artwork) > - originality of work > > > > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > From james.liu at sun.com Thu Jan 10 13:04:19 2008 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu, IHV OEM Engineering) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:04:19 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] [Fwd: New Judging Criteria - OpenSolaris] In-Reply-To: <478661BD.6040904@Sun.COM> References: <478661BD.6040904@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <47868853.6030109@sun.com> I'm not going to make the meeting today. I'm in an IHV planning meeting for 10GbE until 5pm today. -James +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D., Solaris IHV OEM Engr'ng | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Here's the note I sent off to the attorneys yesterday. Comments? > > T > > ======================================================== > > Jen, Linda, > > Here are some new judging criteria for the OpenSolaris awards. Can you > please incorporate them in? Do we have to declare the weighting up > front? Our intention is that only the main idea would be in the rules; > the bullets underneath would go in the instructions to the judges and > the FAQ. > > Thanks, > T > > Code Contributions: > > 1. Usefulness to the endusers and/or the community (33%) > - competitive need relative to other OS? > - attractiveness to users > - usability of implementation > - documentation > - timeliness to market > 2. Technical difficulty of implementation (33%) > - depth of knowledge required for implementation > - quantity of code, functions, and features > - quality and cleanliness of code > 3. Innovation (34%) > - market disruptiveness > - originality of implementation > - market potential for adoption > > > Non-code Contributions: > > 1. Enduser Acceptance (33%) > - public appeal > - usefulness to the community > - market potential and disruptiveness > > 2. Publication Quality (33%) > - quality of work (syntax, diction, grammar, editing, > visual artwork) > - publication readiness > - layout, direction, animation > - professionalism > > 3. Artistic Quality (34%) > - interpretation of objective or theme > - style (of writing or artwork) > - originality of work > > > > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From peter.tribble at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 13:48:44 2008 From: peter.tribble at gmail.com (Peter Tribble) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:48:44 +0000 Subject: [awards-program] Contest Organization Proposal: CG Based In-Reply-To: <4783578C.3090008@cuddletech.com> References: <4783578C.3090008@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: On 1/8/08, Ben Rockwood wrote: > I believe that the community is best served by integrating the contest > as seamlessly as possible into the existing structure. The goal is to > encourage growth and force contestants to work within the system, rather > than around it. Ultimately, I want people to be involved with the > community and work with it, not just submit contributions ad hoc. ... > Each core CG would represent a category. The Core Contributers would > manage and judge the submissions within their CG. This stretches into governance, but I don't believe that CGs generally have matured to the point where they could take those responsibilities on properly. > This encourages > contestants to actually find the appropriate CG, begin a dialog, become > a contributer, and go through the applicable processes for > contribution. In this way, you don't "submit" to the contest, per se, > but rather you contribute and are rewarded. Agreed. I honestly think that nominations are better than someone submitting their own work. At least this indicates that it's been of value to someone else, and limiting the nominations to community members (contributors or above?) implies there's been some engagement with or recognition by the community. This implies that there's some level of completion, rather than the idea itself being judged. > In this model, prizes would be broken down by CG This I don't like, as it supposes that all CGs are likely to generate similar - and large - numbers of similar quality proposals. I suspect that different areas will generate different types and quantities of involvement. What worries me about most of the proposals I've seen so far is that they predefine the areas in which contestants can work, which to my mind runs counter to the whole idea of fostering innovation - by definition, almost, you don't know where the best ideas are going to come from or what form they'll take. -- -Peter Tribble http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Thu Jan 10 14:04:36 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:04:36 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] FAQ In-Reply-To: References: <4783578C.3090008@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <47869674.5030009@Sun.COM> If anyone has any comments on this, please let me know, or edit it yourself: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Awards_Program_FAQ From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Jan 10 14:26:02 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:26:02 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Program Meeting - TODAY - 4pm PT Message-ID: <47869B7A.2030800@Sun.COM> Hi everyone, We will have a meeting at 4pm PT today. Dial-in Info: ------------- 866-651-9314 865-525-0765 x44404 p/c 1234403 Agenda ------ - Review feedback from legal on rules - Travel to Developer Summit - remove? - Section 4 - Description of submission - Teresa's answers to other questions - FAQ - Student Grant Program - Website - Judging/Judges Speak with you then, T ps - my home system crashed last night and I lost all the notes from yesterday! I think I had already sent off the judging criteria note that covered most everything, but I know I missed some of the conversation around judges and judging....sorry! From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Jan 10 16:20:22 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:20:22 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Program Meeting - TODAY - 4pm PT In-Reply-To: <47869B7A.2030800@Sun.COM> References: <47869B7A.2030800@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4786B646.5060508@Sun.COM> Sitting here on the phone all by my lonesome. I know James can not make it today. Neither can Jesse. Where is everyone else? :) (She says rather sheepishly.) Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We will have a meeting at 4pm PT today. > Dial-in Info: > ------------- > 866-651-9314 > 865-525-0765 x44404 > p/c 1234403 > > Agenda > ------ > - Review feedback from legal on rules > - Travel to Developer Summit - remove? > - Section 4 - Description of submission > - Teresa's answers to other questions > - FAQ > - Student Grant Program > - Website > - Judging/Judges > > Speak with you then, > T > > ps - my home system crashed last night and I lost all the notes from yesterday! > I think I had already sent off the judging criteria note that covered most everything, > but I know I missed some of the conversation around judges and judging....sorry! > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Jan 10 18:30:01 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:30:01 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Awards Program Meeting - 1/10 Message-ID: <4786D4A9.6080309@Sun.COM> Here are my notes from today's meeting... *Travel to Developer Summit* Remove this entirely. This should be handled separately. If we want to do something flashy in addition to the cash, an awesome developer contest might be better. Might want to have some non-cash prizes. One advantage of non-cash prizes is that you can give out a lot more prizes. Need to discuss non-cash prizes in a future meeting. *Section 4* Change the second sentence to: "Problem statements must specify the problem being solved or the need being filled." Reasonable documentation/testing - how do we define - do we want to require this as part of the submission and not just give fewer points if it is not included - do we want to include something where the participant needs show what testing has been done? is there a way to get proof that the testing was done - should we specify a particular distro and/or hardware environment? - if there is testing capability on the web, we should require people to do it *Submission Process* - Does an SCA need to be signed for all entries? It is feasible that we may have an entry that is not a contribution. There are entries that could add value, increase adoption, but is not a contribution. *Future meeting topics* - Teresa's answers to other questions - SCA for all entries? - Non-cash awards - FAQ - Student Grant Program - Website - Judging/Judges - Testing requirements? - Documentation requirement? - Requirement to run on specific hw/sw combo? From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Fri Jan 11 15:50:18 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:50:18 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Meeting - in 10 Minutes! Message-ID: <478800BA.9010301@Sun.COM> Hi folks, We are meeting today. Dial-in Info: ------------- 866-651-9314 865-525-0765 x44404 p/c 1234403 Agenda: - Rules - SCA for all entries? - Non-cash awards - FAQ - Student Grant Program - Website - Judging/Judges - Testing requirements? - Documentation requirement? - Requirement to run on specific hw/sw combo? From benr at cuddletech.com Fri Jan 11 18:59:58 2008 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:59:58 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Friday Call Notes Message-ID: <47882D2E.1050200@cuddletech.com> * The formal contest is described in the Sun Press Release as: "*program called the Open Source Community Innovation Awards Program, which will foster innovation and recognize some of the most interesting initiatives within Sun-sponsored open source communities worldwide. "* ( http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-12/sunflash.20071205.1.xml ) ** Therefore; all entries must been "Open Source", commonly defined by Sun as being licensed under an OSI-Approved License. ** In any questions of "quality" over "innovation", Innovation must by definition win.... "Innovation Awards Program". * The submission requirements should be thus: ## Start ## Qualified entries must be submitted as a compressed archive (.zip, .tar.gz, etc.) containing at least the following: 1) A 'LICENSE' file containing the OSI-Approved license covering the submission 2) A 'README' file containing, but not limited to: a) The original copyright owners name and date b) Submission description c) Information required to assemble the contents into a usable form (build instructions, etc) 3) A "usable" form of your submission: executable binary, package, video, PDF, etc as applicable 4) Any and all applicable source materials required to created the "usable" form and applicable build environment. (Makefiles, source code, XML/LaTeX source, etc.) Any entries that are found to possess differences between the binary and source forms will be immediately disqualified. ## End ## I might further elaborate in the FAQ by saying: "The spirit of Free and Open Source Software (F/OSS) is the ability to take an existing work, modify it, and redistribute it. Omission of source material in the final work is considered "proprietary" because it can not be recreated by a 3rd party. This applies to artwork in the same way that it applies to source in the same way that it applies to documentation; the only difference between the creator and the recipient is talent, not tools. While proprietary tools may be utilized, such as using iMovie to create a video tutorial, the tool is not required in duplication, however the source material is. "It is therefore encouraged, however not required, to supply as much "source" material as possible. In the case of an image, this may be accomplished by including the XPS image containing layers, masks, etc. "While not strictly required, all documentation or presentation style submissions should be submitted in PDF format." * Finally, on the prize structure... I see two polar options which really come down to determining what we get: 1) The "Engineering" Side of me says: Have fewer, bigger prizes that encourage submissions to be as best as they can to compete for the prizes given that the odds of winning are decreased. (5 Prizes total) 2) The "Marketing" Side of me says: Have more, smaller prizes (as we do now) that encourage submission from as many people in as many forms as possible given that the odds of winning are increased. (50 Prizes total) If there is $50,000 to be made, I might take 2 weeks off work to devote to my entry... if there is only $5,000 or $10,000 I probably will just do so in my spare time. At least, so goes my argument. benr. From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Fri Jan 11 19:04:14 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:04:14 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Innovation Awards - 1/11 Message-ID: <47882E2E.3020801@Sun.COM> Here are the notes from today's call. Attendees: James Teresa Alta Jesse Ben Notes: - Most of the notes were taken in the Rules document attached in OpenOffice and PDF. - We agreed that there will be no non-cash prizes. - We agreed that Entrants do not need to specify or prove the testing done on their Entry. Action Items: - Ben will review the entry requirements and try to create one, possibly two sets. - Teresa will ask the other communities if they are allowing binary only entries. Next Meeting: Monday January 14th at 4pm. 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T From benr at cuddletech.com Sat Jan 12 11:37:35 2008 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:37:35 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Lawyers will join us on Monday In-Reply-To: <47883F6A.2020301@Sun.COM> References: <47883F6A.2020301@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <478916FF.1050600@cuddletech.com> Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi everyone, > > So we don't need to be going back and forth so much, the lawyers > drafting the official rules will join us on our Monday call to discuss > all our remaining questions on the contest rules. They are working on > the grant program rules and should get those to us by early next week. > We will have another concall with them later in the week to discuss those. > Excellent! If I should, for some unforeseen reason, be unable to be on the call Monday, my big concern is with Section 10 of the rules, namely the repeating lines such as "Acceptance of a prize constitutes an assignment of all rights, title and interest in their winning SubmissionEntry to Sponsor and, if necessary, will sign any documents within thirty (30) days of winner notification to confirm the transfer at Sponsor?s request." These statements are unclear and in direct conflict with open source ideals. It was suggested by James and Alta that these lines were likely "yanked" from some prior conract and the fact that "Sponsor" is never legally defined in the document supports that. The spirit of open source states, and is enforced by license, that the IP creator always retains ownership, however she provides any and all rights to anyone who agrees to the license (GPL, CDDL, etc). In ensense, section 10 says to me, that if you win a prize Sun bought the winning entries; which means this isn't a contest, its a very clever software auction. benr. From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Mon Jan 14 16:03:07 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:03:07 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Awards call now! Please call in... Message-ID: <478BF83B.3010703@sun.com> Dial-in Info: ------------- 866-651-9314 865-525-0765 x44404 p/c 1234403 From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Jan 14 16:24:00 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:24:00 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: [gap] Glassfish Grants/Awards Program Description]] Message-ID: <478BFD20.4010608@sun.com> My first draft for the press release: The OpenSolaris community awards program features a $100,000 open call for innovation and a $75,000 student research program. The innovation awards will recognize outstanding and innovative contributions to the OpenSolaris community and the OpenSolaris ecosystem at large, with twenty five $1,000 second prizes, three $15,000 first prizes, and a $30,000 grand prize. Winning submissions may include code, documentation, video or a combination thereof. The student research program will fund student-professor research collaborations, focused on OpenSolaris, at universities across the globe. From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Mon Jan 14 18:47:38 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:47:38 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Awards Meeting - 1/14 Message-ID: <478C1ECA.5090502@sun.com> Here are my notes from the meeting today. Please let me know if I missed or mis-represented anything. * Attendees* Alta Jim Ben James Teresa Jesse Linda - Legal Jen - Legal *Action Items* AI - Teresa to send Manatt the SCA and Bonnie's note *Discussion on Rules* - SCA - we agreed that if the SCA is signed, ownership should be ok. - In addition to the SCA, the Entrant will need to sign an affadavit explicitly stating what is their original work and what is based on other open source work. We need to decide whether or not that affidavit is signed at the time of registration, entry, or if only the winners need to sign. We can set this up electronically if we have the resources to do so. - We agreed on the following language for the Entry section of the Rules: "Qualified entries must be submitted as a compressed archive (.zip, .tar.gz, etc.) containing at least the following: 1) A 'LICENSE' file containing the OSI-Approved license covering the submission 2) A 'README' file containing, but not limited to: a) The original copyright owners name and date b) Submission description including the problem being solved or the need being filled c) Information required to assemble the contents into a usable form (build instructions, etc) 3) A "usable" form of your submission: executable binary, package, video, PDF, etc as applicable 4) Any and all applicable source materials required to re-create the "usable" form and applicable build environment. (Makefiles, source code, XML/LaTeX source, etc.) Any Entries that are found to possess differences between the "usable form" and the "source materials" will be disqualified." *Student Research Awards* Do we want to limit to undergrads? From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Jan 14 20:03:27 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:03:27 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Press Release language In-Reply-To: <478C10C2.60909@sun.com> References: <478C10C2.60909@sun.com> Message-ID: <478C308F.3090001@sun.com> Press release language for OpenSolaris: The OpenSolaris Community Awards program features a $100,000 open call for innovation and a $75,000 student research program. The awards will recognize outstanding or innovative contributions to the OpenSolaris community and the OpenSolaris ecosystem at large, with twenty five $1,000 second prizes, three $15,000 first prizes, and a $30,000 grand prize. The student research program will fund student-professor research collaborations, focused on OpenSolaris, at universities across the globe. Visit opensolaris.org to participate. More info, may include if desired: -There are no categories for submission. Winning projects could include code, video, documentation or others. -read the FAQ at: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Awards_Program_FAQ Contact me for edits or for more info :) 310-766-2006 Thanks, Jesse Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Awards will recognize contribution and innovation to the OpenSolaris > community.... > > > Winning submissions could be code projects or other types of projects > such as documentation or video. > Demonstration of a cool use of OpenSolaris > > and may include.... code.... > > There are no categories for submission.....will all be considered.... > > Leave out the types... > > My first draft for the press release: > > The OpenSolaris Community Awards program features a $100,000 open call > for innovation and a $75,000 student research program. The innovation > awards will recognize outstanding and innovative contributions to the > OpenSolaris community and the OpenSolaris ecosystem at large, with > twenty five $1,000 second prizes, three $15,000 first prizes, and a > $30,000 grand prize. Winning submissions may include code, > documentation, video or a combination thereof. The student research > program will fund student-professor research collaborations, focused > on OpenSolaris, at universities across the globe. > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Tue Jan 15 15:41:51 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:41:51 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Meeting Message-ID: <478D44BF.4030900@sun.com> I am taking the rest of the day off and will not be attending today's meeting. Talk to you guys tomorrow, Jesse From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Tue Jan 15 15:44:23 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:44:23 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Don't forget: We are meeting today at 4pm Message-ID: <478D4557.3040505@Sun.COM> Alta, it looks like we will finally get to the FAQ today. Yippee! http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Awards_Program_FAQ Dial-in Info: ------------- 866-651-9314 865-525-0765 x44404 p/c 1234403 Agenda: - FAQ - Student Grant Program - Website - Judging/Judges - Requirement to run on specific hw/sw combo? From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Tue Jan 15 17:28:42 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:28:42 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Awards Meeting - 1/15 Message-ID: <478D5DCA.2030109@Sun.COM> Hi folks, Here are the notes from today. *Attendees* Alta Jim Teresa *Action Items* Teresa - ask Derek about website related stuff - registration page linked to web page summary Teresa - ask Micheline if there are corporate resources for registration/submission Teresa - ask Manatt about the language of the document the winners will need to sign *Discussion* We reviewed the first two sections of the FAQ on the wiki. Alta updated as we went along. Here are some of the questions we still have: - How does ownership work with a team? - Are the other contests allowing team entries? Are you limiting the size of the team? - Do we want to simplify by having the entrant only sign the affadavit for the contest and sign the SCA if they decide to contribute? - Is every possible submission a contribution? Talk to you all tomorrow at 4pm. Thanks, T From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Jan 15 20:54:01 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:54:01 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] Press Release language In-Reply-To: <478C308F.3090001@sun.com> References: <478C10C2.60909@sun.com> <478C308F.3090001@sun.com> Message-ID: <478D8DE9.4020504@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > Press release language for OpenSolaris: > > The OpenSolaris Community Awards program features a $100,000 open call > for innovation and a $75,000 student research program. The awards will > recognize outstanding or innovative contributions Outstanding *and* innovative? How about just innovative? A nit, I know. :) Your call. > to the OpenSolaris > community and the OpenSolaris ecosystem at large, Not sure you need "OpenSolaris ecosystem at large." The term "OpenSolaris community" is (or should be, anyway) considered global.. Another nit. Your call. I just don't like "ecosystem" that much. > with twenty five > $1,000 second prizes, three $15,000 first prizes, and a $30,000 grand > prize. The student research program will fund student-professor research > collaborations, focused on OpenSolaris, at universities across the > globe. Visit opensolaris.org to participate. > > More info, may include if desired: > > -There are no categories for submission. Winning projects could include > code, video, documentation or others. > -read the FAQ at: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Awards_Program_FAQ > > Contact me for edits or for more info :) 310-766-2006 > > Thanks, > Jesse > When is this going out? Jim > Teresa Giacomini wrote: >> Awards will recognize contribution and innovation to the OpenSolaris >> community.... >> >> >> Winning submissions could be code projects or other types of projects >> such as documentation or video. >> Demonstration of a cool use of OpenSolaris >> >> and may include.... code.... >> >> There are no categories for submission.....will all be considered.... >> >> Leave out the types... >> >> My first draft for the press release: >> >> The OpenSolaris Community Awards program features a $100,000 open call >> for innovation and a $75,000 student research program. The innovation >> awards will recognize outstanding and innovative contributions to the >> OpenSolaris community and the OpenSolaris ecosystem at large, with >> twenty five $1,000 second prizes, three $15,000 first prizes, and a >> $30,000 grand prize. Winning submissions may include code, >> documentation, video or a combination thereof. The student research >> program will fund student-professor research collaborations, focused >> on OpenSolaris, at universities across the globe. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> awards-program mailing list >> awards-program at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program >> > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program -- Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Jan 15 22:47:04 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:47:04 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] Press Release language In-Reply-To: <478D8ECA.1000206@sun.com> References: <478C10C2.60909@sun.com> <478C308F.3090001@sun.com> <478D8DE9.4020504@sun.com> <478D8ECA.1000206@sun.com> Message-ID: <478DA868.3070703@sun.com> Terri Molini wrote: > Jan 28th (US) > Cool. Thanks. I'll send a note to the portals when it's out. Perhaps some will translate the announcement. Jim -- http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Jan 17 15:44:09 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:44:09 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] today's meeting Message-ID: <478FE849.9000701@sun.com> Hi team- I have an appt. that will run through 4pm... I'll join the call as soon as it's over. Thanks, J From james.liu at sun.com Thu Jan 17 15:53:57 2008 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu, IHV OEM Engineering) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:53:57 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] today's meeting In-Reply-To: <478FE849.9000701@sun.com> References: <478FE849.9000701@sun.com> Message-ID: <478FEA95.7080605@sun.com> Are we having a meeting still? I have a 4pm that conflicts. So will bail and I have a holiday tomorrow and will be in Vancouver. See Ya! -James +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D., Solaris IHV OEM Engr'ng | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Jesse Silver wrote: > Hi team- > > I have an appt. that will run through 4pm... I'll join the call as soon > as it's over. > > Thanks, > J > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Jan 17 18:08:44 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:08:44 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Awards Meeting - 1/17 Message-ID: <47900A2C.6040705@Sun.COM> Hi folks, Lot's of dicussion today. Tried to capture the decisions, not necessarily all the discussion. Feel free to add/change if I got it wrong. T *Attendees* Jim Alta Jesse Ben Teresa Bonnie *Action Items* - Teresa to raise questions in tomorrow's cross program meeting - Jesse to create draft website - Bonnie to set up meeting with legal *Web Page* - link to the FAQ - email address to send questions - description of the contest - logo or graphic - page for list of registrants *Ownership, SCA, etc* - ownership can not be completely passed to Sun - not everyone needs to sign an SCA - does not make sense for some types of entries - what about teams? - want people to contribute to OpenSolaris to the community, but we know that we don't want everyone to have to sign the SCA - may want to talk to the Sun lawyers who wrote the SCA - either SCA, or copyright and an OSI-approved license - the rules already state that the entrant need to submit under an OSI-approved license - SCA grants joint ownership to Sun - third-party open source license does not grant ownership to Sun at all - We (Sun) want folks to be able to submit whatever they want, but we (Sun) want to be able to use them and distribute them. *Teams* There are a few different options for how to handle teams. Some are more paperwork intensive than others. Teresa will ask in the general meeting on Friday how other programs are addressing teams. 1. One rep, one check 2. Limit the size of the team a. team specifies the distribution of funds b. funds are distributed equally amongst the team members 3. Unlimited team size a. team specifies the distribution of funds b. funds are distributed equally amongst the team members - Can we get in trouble if the team leader does not divvy up the money appropriately? - What about issues that may arise around team vs individual ownership of the entry? From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Jan 17 18:20:52 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:20:52 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Awards Meeting - 1/16 Message-ID: <47900D04.9010402@Sun.COM> Hi folks, Just realized that I never sent notes out yesterday. Everything is running together in my mind these days, so this might not be exactly right, but it's close. Sorry about that, T *Attendees* Alta Jim Teresa Jesse *FAQ* We reviewed and updated the rest of the FAQ. There are still questions with no answers yet. And there are questions embedded in the FAQ for clarification by the team. Please look it over and help clarify. *Student Grant Program* - Restricted to undergraduate because graduates do research all the time (not just for one or two months) and have much larger funding programs available - Schedule will be a bit tight, but it is worth trying it out this year and see how it works - Need to figure out how this relates to the program announced in Jonathan's blog yesterday - Is it acceptable to announce the grant program generally on 1/28 with details to come later? 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Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi folks, > > After a nice break - 4 whole days without a call - we have a call > today at 4pm PT. > > Dial-in Info: > ------------- > 866-651-9314 > 865-525-0765 x44404 > p/c 1234403 > > Agenda > ------ > - Website - Jesse, please send link! > > - Student Grant Program > > - Judging etc > > > > Speak to you soon, > T > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [awards-program] Student Grant program and Today's meeting > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:26:35 -0800 > From: Teresa Giacomini > Reply-To: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM > To: awards-program at opensolaris.org > > > > Hi Folks, > > Attached is the first draft of the Call for Proposals for the Student > Grant program. I've also attached the Grant Agreement a grant > recipient would need to sign if they were awarded a grant. Please > review these documents and be prepared to discuss them at our next > meeting on Tuesday January 22nd at 4pm PT. 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Very sorry, but things have come up > that I didn't expect. > > Just thought I'd update the group on this. > > Also, Terri told me she'll have the press release ready for review > sometime in the next few minutes, and we'll be able to make edits over > the next few days. > > Teresa Giacomini wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> After a nice break - 4 whole days without a call - we have a call >> today at 4pm PT. >> >> Dial-in Info: >> ------------- >> 866-651-9314 >> 865-525-0765 x44404 >> p/c 1234403 >> >> Agenda >> ------ >> - Website - Jesse, please send link! >> >> - Student Grant Program >> >> - Judging etc >> >> >> >> Speak to you soon, >> T >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [awards-program] Student Grant program and Today's meeting >> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:26:35 -0800 >> From: Teresa Giacomini >> Reply-To: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM >> To: awards-program at opensolaris.org >> >> >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> Attached is the first draft of the Call for Proposals for the Student >> Grant program. I've also attached the Grant Agreement a grant >> recipient would need to sign if they were awarded a grant. Please >> review these documents and be prepared to discuss them at our next >> meeting on Tuesday January 22nd at 4pm PT. We will not have a >> meeting today. >> >> Thanks, >> T >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> awards-program mailing list >> awards-program at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 1/28, can we announce the >> contest in detail, but still be a bit general about the grant program? >> We can and should be general, because award programs are going to take precedence over our grant program between now and 1/28 - Manatt is short of resources. We will hammer out grant program details later. >> Teresa Giacomini wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Now that we are all getting into the nitty gritty of our awards >>> programs, I think we are running into some of the same >>> problems/questions. I hope there is an opportunity to discuss some >>> of the following in our meeting tomorrow. >>> >>> - List of countries - is there an updated list we can all see? Answer: Beth sent out yesterday. Everyone has the list. Update: A bunch more countries are going to be added, limited only by our legal resources. >>> >>> - Teams - are you allowing team entries? are you limiting the size >>> of the team? have you considered how payment will be handled? what >>> about ownership of the entry? >>> Glassfish- Any entrant can be part of a team, must specify list of people on the team. The entrant must distribute money to team. The team can distribute money at their discretion. openJDK- Team can be no more than 10 people All people must be eligible to participate Team nominates team leader Monies must be evenly distributed to all team members -!! SCA- programs with layered software (like ours) are not requiring SCA. If it gets integrated into code, then they do. >>> - Ownership - Section 10 of the original rules had ownership >>> provisions that did not align well with open source. How are you >>> handling? ? >>> >>> - Submissions - how are you handling? email? ftp? are there >>> resources available to create a more standard/automated process for >>> all of us? OpenJDK- proposals are submitted via email. projects are submitted directly to code base, like everyone else. some others are just saying: give us a URL. For example, video could be posted to youtube. >>> >>> - Grants - OpenSolaris is also including a grant program as part of >>> the program. Manatt is working on special terms, but we have not >>> seen them yet. >>> >>> Anyone else have general questions for the group? Why not add them >>> here so we can cover tomorrow. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> T >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Jan 23 15:53:05 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:53:05 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Will be out at another meeting today Message-ID: <0JV4008YIFO3ED80@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> I was just asked to fly to canada tomorrow and have emergency preparations to do. I'll join the call when I can...it may be post 4:30, or later. Very very sorry. -----Original Message----- From: "James C. Liu" To: "Teresa Giacomini" ; "Jesse Silver" ; "Alta Elstad" Sent: 1/23/08 3:27 PM Subject: Will be out at another meeting today Wednesday 1/23 - got a conflict today and tomorrow. I'll try to join in after, but have a feeling it's going to drag on. -James -- +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D. | | Solaris x86 IHV OEM Engineering | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Wed Jan 23 15:58:41 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:58:41 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Will be out at another meeting today In-Reply-To: <0JV4008YIFO3ED80@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> References: <0JV4008YIFO3ED80@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> Message-ID: <4797D4B1.2030502@sun.com> Folks, This thing is being announced on Monday. I can't do this on my own. Well I can, but you all need to accept what I come up with. We have some big things to discuss. I've been on the phone with lawyers for the past hour. T Jesse Silver wrote: >I was just asked to fly to canada tomorrow and have emergency preparations to do. I'll join the call when I can...it may be post 4:30, or later. Very very sorry. > >-----Original Message----- >From: "James C. Liu" >To: "Teresa Giacomini" ; "Jesse Silver" ; "Alta Elstad" >Sent: 1/23/08 3:27 PM >Subject: Will be out at another meeting today > >Wednesday 1/23 - got a conflict today and tomorrow. I'll try >to join in after, but have a feeling it's going to drag on. > >-James > > From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Wed Jan 23 22:02:40 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:02:40 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] registration requirements Message-ID: <47982A00.8000001@sun.com> In our meeting today Jim, Derek and I started to discuss requirements for the webform for registration and submission. We have to work within the confirmes of the website which limits us a bit. Here are our thoughts so far.... Entrant must be regisered on opensolaris.org to begin with. Once they are registered for os.org, they can register for the contest/grant program. Registration ------------ name individual or team entry email physical address - winners only? description of entry looking for collaborators? yes/no ability to contact registrant need to post to website Addl. for grant program ------------------------ university name - do we have a list? faculty sponsor faculty sponsor email way to verify that you are a student Submission ----------- email load on a website and send us the link genunix for posting their submissions From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Jan 23 22:17:02 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:17:02 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] Rules Question: "Sponsor" Message-ID: <47982D5E.1050302@sun.com> hey, Is it too late to make changes to the rules? I'm confused by the word "Sponsor" and how it is defined in Section 18: > SPONSOR: The Sponsor of this Contest is [insert full name an address.] > [You may just fill > in the name of your community and the site address.] the OpenSolaris > community, > www.opensolaris.org . The OpenSolaris community does not have a > physical address. > Can we just put the website? YES Sun Microsystems, Inc., however, is > funding all of the > prize awards. I'm not sure this works well. This is how I see it. Sun Microsystems is funding the contest, so legally it would seem to me that the company is the "Sponsor" of the contest and ultimately responsible. In other words, if there are problems, people will go to Sun, not the OpenSolaris community. The community, after all, has no legal standing since it's not a company or a foundation. However, Teresa used the word "Administrator" in the meeting today to articulate the community's role in all this, and I think that works much better than Sponsor. And I think that positioning is consistent with how OpenSolaris operates as well. After all, Sun is funding the OpenSolaris project on opensolaris.org in terms of releasing the code, providing infrastructure and people, etc, to enable a community of developers to form and run the operations of the project. Sun's press release is quite clear that this contest is ultimately a "Sun" program: > Sun Announces Open Source Community Innovation Awards Program > http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-12/sunflash.20071205.1.xml > > SANTA CLARA, CA December 5, 2007 Sun Microsystems Inc. (Nasdaq: JAVA), > today announced a multi-year program called the Open Source Community > Innovation Awards Program, which will foster innovation and recognize > some of the most interesting initiatives within Sun-sponsored open > source communities worldwide. To participate in the program's first > year, Sun has selected six communities: GlassFish, NetBeans, OpenJDK, > OpenOffice.org, OpenSolaris and OpenSPARC. Prizes are expected to > total at least $1 million (USD) a year. That says Sun all over it. And for good reason. However, in the next paragraph it states this: > Beginning in mid-January 2008, Sun and the six open source communities > will announce details on how developers can participate in the > individual programs. Each community will have its own contest rules > and judging criteria. Prize winners will be announced in August 2008. Now the "communities" come in. What that says to me is that Sun is providing the cash, the legal framework, and all the infrastructure for a contest to exist and asking the community to actually run the contest from an operational perspective. That's how it all becomes a joint Sun-community project. And that sounds perfectly reasonable to me, and it's consistent with how the Sun-sponsored open source communities are run. So, to clarify the rules, here's a suggested change to Section 18: > SPONSOR and ADMINISTRATOR: The Sponsor of this Contest is Sun > Microsystems, Inc. The Administrator of this Contest is the > OpenSolaris community. Sun has delegated to the OpenSolaris community > on opensolaris.org the task of specifying and implementing the > Contest, and those activities are taking place in the open within the > OpenSolaris Advocacy Community Group. Something like that ... Jim -- Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 00:40:01 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:40:01 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Meeting Today at 4pm PT In-Reply-To: <479683A7.50707@sun.com> References: <479674B0.2000903@Sun.COM> <47967D1D.8000001@sun.com> <479683A7.50707@sun.com> Message-ID: <47984EE1.6000204@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > URL: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/Awards_Program_2008/ > > You must have privileges for the Advocacy group to see this page. Not > much is there though... Thanks for posting those pages, Jesse. I added the ideas content from the wiki to your link in advocacy. But instead of adding pages to Advocacy, which will get nav-bar-and-url-messy real fast, I think we need a project space at this point. As work is completed on the Genunix wiki, it can be migrated to the project. This way, when the contest is announced there is an opensolaris.org home for it with documents and info and pointers to the various registration pages. Work can still continue on the wiki, though, since that provides much easier site editing features and is open to all to edit. Here's a draft of a project proposal for Advocacy. Want me to send it? ********************************* Project Proposal: OpenSolaris Community Innovation Awards Program Purpose: To specify and implement the OpenSolaris Community Innovation Awards Program Sponsoring CG: Advocacy Project Members: Teresa Giacomini, Jim Grisanzio, Jesse Silver, Alta Elstad, James Lui, Ben Rockwood Project Description: The members of this project team are currently working on the OpenSolaris Community Innovation Awards Program [1] based on Sun's announcement of its Open Source Community Innovation Awards Program [2] . Activities so far include the following: definition of entries, the number of prizes, the payout amounts, judging issues, infrastructure support, and more. Final rules and schedules will be announced in late January. Awards program work has been taking place via list conversation, daily conference calls, and on the Genunix wiki . As documents are completed they will be archived in the project on opensolaris.org, and that project will be the central location for all official contest information. Wiki work will continue to provide site editing flexibility for people to contribute to the contest operations, but contest applicants will be directed to the project on opensolaris.org to participate in the contest itself. Project Needs: A project space to supplement the Advocacy-sponsored discussion list, which is called awards-program. Related Projects: All of the other Sun-sponsored open source projects chosen to participate in the Open Source Innovations Award Program http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/awards/index.jsp and any other project or community group on opensolaris.org that wishes to participate. References: [1] OpenSolaris Community Innovation Awards Program: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Community_Innovation_Awards [2] Sun's Open Source Community Innovation Awards Program: http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-12/sunflash.20071205.1.xml awards-program list: http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program. ********************************* What do you think? Jim -- http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 00:42:01 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:42:01 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] registration requirements In-Reply-To: <47982A00.8000001@sun.com> References: <47982A00.8000001@sun.com> Message-ID: <47984F59.3000707@sun.com> We also talked about the SCA a bit too. I know the SCA has been discussed to death and it's a confusing issue, but I wanted to assert that I think we ought to require the signing of the SCA for all participants in the contest. Jim Teresa Giacomini wrote: > In our meeting today Jim, Derek and I started to discuss requirements > for the webform for registration and submission. We have to work within > the confirmes of the website which limits us a bit. Here are our > thoughts so far.... > > Entrant must be regisered on opensolaris.org to begin with. Once they > are registered for os.org, they can register for the contest/grant program. > > Registration > ------------ > name > individual or team entry > email > physical address - winners only? > description of entry > looking for collaborators? yes/no > ability to contact registrant > need to post to website > > Addl. for grant program > ------------------------ > university name - do we have a list? > faculty sponsor > faculty sponsor email > way to verify that you are a student > > > Submission > ----------- > email > load on a website and send us the link > genunix for posting their submissions > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > -- Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 07:12:06 2008 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:12:06 -0700 Subject: [awards-program] Rules Question: "Sponsor" In-Reply-To: <47982D5E.1050302@sun.com> References: <47982D5E.1050302@sun.com> Message-ID: <4798AAC6.8090103@Sun.COM> Hi, Teresa and I discussed this issue yesterday with the lawyers. Note that the current draft of the Rules I received yesterday says: "16. SPONSOR: The Sponsor of this Contest is the OpenSolaris Community at www.opensolaris.org. Sun Microsystems, Inc., is funding all of the prize awards, however, Sun Microsystems shall have no liability or responsibility in connection with the Contest other than to fund the prize awards specified herein." Usually, a contest is funded and run by the same entity. But in this case, Sun is funding prizes and leaving the individual communities to run/manage the programs. The term Sponsor is used throughout the Rules to define management of the project: the Sponsor can disqualify entries, decide not to pay out prizes, etc. We can't use the wording noted above because our constitution defines the "OpenSolaris community" and outlines processes for how that community makes decision, and that community has not voted to Sponsor this contest. I think the best idea is to change the first sentence above to: "The Sponsor of this contest is the XXX Project in the Advocacy Community Group on www.opensolaris.org." But that means we need a project. Jim, is it possible to initiate a Project really quickly to manage the contest (since we're supposed to announce the rules on Monday)? Thanks. Bonnie Jim Grisanzio wrote: > hey, > > Is it too late to make changes to the rules? I'm confused by the word > "Sponsor" and how it is defined in Section 18: > > >>SPONSOR: The Sponsor of this Contest is [insert full name an address.] >>[You may just fill >>in the name of your community and the site address.] the OpenSolaris >>community, >>www.opensolaris.org . The OpenSolaris community does not have a >>physical address. >>Can we just put the website? YES Sun Microsystems, Inc., however, is >>funding all of the >>prize awards. > > > I'm not sure this works well. This is how I see it. Sun Microsystems is > funding the contest, so legally it would seem to me that the company is > the "Sponsor" of the contest and ultimately responsible. In other words, > if there are problems, people will go to Sun, not the OpenSolaris > community. The community, after all, has no legal standing since it's > not a company or a foundation. However, Teresa used the word > "Administrator" in the meeting today to articulate the community's role > in all this, and I think that works much better than Sponsor. And I > think that positioning is consistent with how OpenSolaris operates as > well. After all, Sun is funding the OpenSolaris project on > opensolaris.org in terms of releasing the code, providing infrastructure > and people, etc, to enable a community of developers to form and run the > operations of the project. > > Sun's press release is quite clear that this contest is ultimately a > "Sun" program: > > >>Sun Announces Open Source Community Innovation Awards Program >>http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-12/sunflash.20071205.1.xml >> >>SANTA CLARA, CA December 5, 2007 Sun Microsystems Inc. (Nasdaq: JAVA), >>today announced a multi-year program called the Open Source Community >>Innovation Awards Program, which will foster innovation and recognize >>some of the most interesting initiatives within Sun-sponsored open >>source communities worldwide. To participate in the program's first >>year, Sun has selected six communities: GlassFish, NetBeans, OpenJDK, >>OpenOffice.org, OpenSolaris and OpenSPARC. Prizes are expected to >>total at least $1 million (USD) a year. > > > That says Sun all over it. And for good reason. However, in the next > paragraph it states this: > > >>Beginning in mid-January 2008, Sun and the six open source communities >>will announce details on how developers can participate in the >>individual programs. Each community will have its own contest rules >>and judging criteria. Prize winners will be announced in August 2008. > > > Now the "communities" come in. What that says to me is that Sun is > providing the cash, the legal framework, and all the infrastructure for > a contest to exist and asking the community to actually run the contest > from an operational perspective. That's how it all becomes a joint > Sun-community project. And that sounds perfectly reasonable to me, and > it's consistent with how the Sun-sponsored open source communities are > run. So, to clarify the rules, here's a suggested change to Section 18: > > >>SPONSOR and ADMINISTRATOR: The Sponsor of this Contest is Sun >>Microsystems, Inc. The Administrator of this Contest is the >>OpenSolaris community. Sun has delegated to the OpenSolaris community >>on opensolaris.org the task of specifying and implementing the >>Contest, and those activities are taking place in the open within the >>OpenSolaris Advocacy Community Group. > > Something like that ... > > Jim > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 07:42:00 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:42:00 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] Rules Question: "Sponsor" In-Reply-To: <4798AAC6.8090103@Sun.COM> References: <47982D5E.1050302@sun.com> <4798AAC6.8090103@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4798B1C8.7000803@sun.com> Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Hi, > > Teresa and I discussed this issue yesterday with the lawyers. > > Note that the current draft of the Rules I received yesterday says: > > "16. SPONSOR: The Sponsor of this Contest is the OpenSolaris Community > at www.opensolaris.org. Sun Microsystems, Inc., is funding all of the > prize awards, however, Sun Microsystems shall have no liability or > responsibility in connection with the Contest other than to fund the > prize awards specified herein." > Oh, sorry. I had the wrong draft of the text. But Teresa did explain the issue. I just got the terms confused, so I'm clear now. I agree. > Usually, a contest is funded and run by the same entity. But in this > case, Sun is funding prizes and leaving the individual communities to > run/manage the programs. The term Sponsor is used throughout the Rules > to define management of the project: the Sponsor can disqualify entries, > decide not to pay out prizes, etc. > > We can't use the wording noted above because our constitution defines > the "OpenSolaris community" and outlines processes for how that > community makes decision, and that community has not voted to Sponsor > this contest. > > I think the best idea is to change the first sentence above to: > > "The Sponsor of this contest is the XXX Project in the Advocacy > Community Group on www.opensolaris.org." > > But that means we need a project. Jim, is it possible to initiate a > Project really quickly to manage the contest (since we're supposed to > announce the rules on Monday)? Yes. I'll send the draft to Advocacy. We need 2 +1s to move ahead. Having a project will be a cleaner way to implement next steps. Jim -- http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 11:16:04 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:16:04 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] registration requirements In-Reply-To: <47984F59.3000707@sun.com> References: <47982A00.8000001@sun.com> <47984F59.3000707@sun.com> Message-ID: <4798E3F4.9020409@Sun.COM> Yep. Sorry, these were not complete notes, just the ones I took on the registration stuff. Here's an update on the other two issues we discussed. SCA ------ After more than an hour of conversation with two attorneys yesterday, trying to look at all the angles and consider potential good and bad PR, we determined that an SCA needs to be signed for all entries. As many have said before, this is the first year of our contest. Once we have this year under our belt, we will have a lot more information to guide us in next year's planning. It was recommended that we add a FAQ about why the SCA needs to be signed. Basically, it is how contributions to our community work. With this contest we're trying to drive participation in our community, not just benefit to our community. Teams -------- All members of a team will need to sign an SCA or else the entry is not valid. If any team member supplies false information - the entire team would be disqualified. If one member of the team refuses to sign the SCA or the affidavit of eligibility and publicity release, the entire team would be disqualified. If they want the benefits of working as a team, they have to accept the negatives as well. As far as the administrative act of asking for the documents . We can either ask the team leader to gather everything or gather it individually ourselves. Beth is checking to see about payment of checks, but she thinks it is likely we will need to cut individual checks to each team member. So, now we need to decide two things: - limit the number of people on a team? - allow for non-equal distribution of the award I think that's it, T Jim Grisanzio wrote: > We also talked about the SCA a bit too. I know the SCA has been > discussed to death and it's a confusing issue, but I wanted to assert > that I think we ought to require the signing of the SCA for all > participants in the contest. > > Jim > > > Teresa Giacomini wrote: > >> In our meeting today Jim, Derek and I started to discuss requirements >> for the webform for registration and submission. We have to work within >> the confirmes of the website which limits us a bit. Here are our >> thoughts so far.... >> >> Entrant must be regisered on opensolaris.org to begin with. Once they >> are registered for os.org, they can register for the contest/grant program. >> >> Registration >> ------------ >> name >> individual or team entry >> email >> physical address - winners only? >> description of entry >> looking for collaborators? yes/no >> ability to contact registrant >> need to post to website >> >> Addl. for grant program >> ------------------------ >> university name - do we have a list? >> faculty sponsor >> faculty sponsor email >> way to verify that you are a student >> >> >> Submission >> ----------- >> email >> load on a website and send us the link >> genunix for posting their submissions >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> awards-program mailing list >> awards-program at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program >> >> > > > From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 12:12:15 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:12:15 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] End of week news... Message-ID: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> I'll be in Canada today and tomorrow and will miss our meetings. I'll finish my work on the web page tomorrow morning. Please have the version of the FAQ I should place on the website crystallized by then. I'll be on AIM tomorrow so if I have any questions about this I'll contact Teresa or Jim. Also, after tomorrow's 4pm meeting, please e-mail me any edits or changes you'd like me to make to the website and I'll make them over the weekend. The site goes live 8am on Monday. Jim- For the press release, we need a convenient URL to direct people to. Should we use opensolaris.org, and let people navigate to the awards program, or can we set up a smaller and more appropriate URL? Also, with the new project status, please let me know where I should continue building the site? I'll start working tomorrow at 9am PT, so will something be ready by then? If not, I can build the site off-line and email it to you, and you can plug it in to the right place. Thanks all, J From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 12:30:26 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:30:26 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] registration requirements In-Reply-To: <4798E3F4.9020409@Sun.COM> References: <47982A00.8000001@sun.com> <47984F59.3000707@sun.com> <4798E3F4.9020409@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4798F562.3030902@sun.com> I don't want to make anyone angry, and I don't know all the ins and outs of the conversation, but I feel compelled to publicly protest this decision. I think it fundamentally undermines what we were trying to achieve to begin with. Under this rule, Nexenta can not apply..nor can many other OpenSolaris based projects. Is there any way around this? Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Yep. Sorry, these were not complete notes, just the ones I took on the > registration stuff. Here's an update on the other two issues we discussed. > > SCA > ------ > After more than an hour of conversation with two attorneys yesterday, > trying to look at all the angles and consider potential good and bad PR, > we determined that an SCA needs to be signed for all entries. As many > have said before, this is the first year of our contest. Once we have > this year under our belt, we will have a lot more information to guide > us in next year's planning. > > It was recommended that we add a FAQ about why the SCA needs to be > signed. Basically, it is how contributions to our community work. With > this contest we're trying to drive participation in our community, not > just benefit to our community. > > Teams > -------- > All members of a team will need to sign an SCA or else the entry is not > valid. If any team member supplies false information - the entire team > would be disqualified. If one member of the team refuses to sign the > SCA or the affidavit of eligibility and publicity release, the entire > team would be disqualified. If they want the benefits of working as a > team, they have to accept the negatives as well. As far as the > administrative act of asking for the documents . We can either ask the > team leader to gather everything or gather it individually ourselves. > Beth is checking to see about payment of checks, but she thinks it is > likely we will need to cut individual checks to each team member. > > So, now we need to decide two things: > > - limit the number of people on a team? > - allow for non-equal distribution of the award > > I think that's it, > T > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> We also talked about the SCA a bit too. I know the SCA has been >> discussed to death and it's a confusing issue, but I wanted to assert >> that I think we ought to require the signing of the SCA for all >> participants in the contest. >> >> Jim >> >> >> Teresa Giacomini wrote: >> >> >>> In our meeting today Jim, Derek and I started to discuss requirements >>> for the webform for registration and submission. We have to work within >>> the confirmes of the website which limits us a bit. Here are our >>> thoughts so far.... >>> >>> Entrant must be regisered on opensolaris.org to begin with. Once they >>> are registered for os.org, they can register for the contest/grant program. >>> >>> Registration >>> ------------ >>> name >>> individual or team entry >>> email >>> physical address - winners only? >>> description of entry >>> looking for collaborators? yes/no >>> ability to contact registrant >>> need to post to website >>> >>> Addl. for grant program >>> ------------------------ >>> university name - do we have a list? >>> faculty sponsor >>> faculty sponsor email >>> way to verify that you are a student >>> >>> >>> Submission >>> ----------- >>> email >>> load on a website and send us the link >>> genunix for posting their submissions >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> awards-program mailing list >>> awards-program at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 16:57:34 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:57:34 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] registration requirements In-Reply-To: <4798E3F4.9020409@Sun.COM> References: <47982A00.8000001@sun.com> <47984F59.3000707@sun.com> <4798E3F4.9020409@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <479933FE.6010704@sun.com> Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Yep. Sorry, these were not complete notes, just the ones I took on the > registration stuff. Here's an update on the other two issues we discussed. > > SCA > ------ > After more than an hour of conversation with two attorneys yesterday, > trying to look at all the angles and consider potential good and bad PR, > we determined that an SCA needs to be signed for all entries. As many > have said before, this is the first year of our contest. Once we have > this year under our belt, we will have a lot more information to guide > us in next year's planning. > > It was recommended that we add a FAQ about why the SCA needs to be > signed. Basically, it is how contributions to our community work. With > this contest we're trying to drive participation in our community, not > just benefit to our community. > > Teams > -------- > All members of a team will need to sign an SCA or else the entry is not > valid. If any team member supplies false information - the entire team > would be disqualified. If one member of the team refuses to sign the > SCA or the affidavit of eligibility and publicity release, the entire > team would be disqualified. If they want the benefits of working as a > team, they have to accept the negatives as well. As far as the > administrative act of asking for the documents . We can either ask the > team leader to gather everything or gather it individually ourselves. > Beth is checking to see about payment of checks, but she thinks it is > likely we will need to cut individual checks to each team member. > Of course Sun will. :) > So, now we need to decide two things: > > - limit the number of people on a team? > 4 works for me. > - allow for non-equal distribution of the award Non-equal distribution of award money /within/ a team? No. Too complicated. And we have no time to consider just how the percentages are figured out. Awards should be split equally among team members. Jim -- http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 17:09:03 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:09:03 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] End of week news... In-Reply-To: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> References: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> Message-ID: <479936AF.4080903@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > Jim- > > For the press release, we need a convenient URL to direct people to. > Should we use opensolaris.org, and let people navigate to the awards > program, or can we set up a smaller and more appropriate URL? I'll set up the project today if I get another +1. We can direct people there. The project URL will be easier than just putting pages in the CG. I'll check with Derek if we can have a re-direct to shorten the length even further, though. I'm sure it's not a problem. Jim -- http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 17:43:52 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:43:52 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] End of week news... In-Reply-To: <479936AF.4080903@sun.com> References: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> <479936AF.4080903@sun.com> Message-ID: <47993ED8.7060003@sun.com> Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> Jim- >> >> For the press release, we need a convenient URL to direct people to. >> Should we use opensolaris.org, and let people navigate to the awards >> program, or can we set up a smaller and more appropriate URL? >> > > I'll set up the project today if I get another +1. We can direct people > there. The project URL will be easier than just putting pages in the CG. > I'll check with Derek if we can have a re-direct to shorten the length > even further, though. I'm sure it's not a problem. > Project: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/ URL re-direct for PR/Jesse: http://opensolaris.org/os/awards/ Jim -- http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From anil.verve at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 19:11:44 2008 From: anil.verve at gmail.com (Anil Gulecha) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:41:44 +0530 Subject: [awards-program] End of week news... In-Reply-To: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> References: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> Message-ID: <148d59250801241911k1df46816pb0301ed9692edee6@mail.gmail.com> > For the press release, we need a convenient URL to direct people to. > Should we use opensolaris.org, and let people navigate to the awards > program, or can we set up a smaller and more appropriate URL? > Simple url forwarding already exists.. we can do something like opensolaris.org/contest forwards to opensolaris.org/os/whatever/contest.jsp This has already been implemented for a few things on the site, so should be simple to setup. ~Anil From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 20:06:24 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:06:24 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] End of week news... In-Reply-To: <47993ED8.7060003@sun.com> References: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> <479936AF.4080903@sun.com> <47993ED8.7060003@sun.com> Message-ID: <47996040.4060301@sun.com> Thanks so much Jim. I'll send this to Terri immediately. Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> Jesse Silver wrote: >> >> >>> Jim- >>> >>> For the press release, we need a convenient URL to direct people to. >>> Should we use opensolaris.org, and let people navigate to the awards >>> program, or can we set up a smaller and more appropriate URL? >>> >>> >> I'll set up the project today if I get another +1. We can direct people >> there. The project URL will be easier than just putting pages in the CG. >> I'll check with Derek if we can have a re-direct to shorten the length >> even further, though. I'm sure it's not a problem. >> >> > > Project: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/ > URL re-direct for PR/Jesse: http://opensolaris.org/os/awards/ > > Jim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Fri Jan 25 01:12:10 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:12:10 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] End of week news... In-Reply-To: <47996040.4060301@sun.com> References: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> <479936AF.4080903@sun.com> <47993ED8.7060003@sun.com> <47996040.4060301@sun.com> Message-ID: <4799A7EA.50202@sun.com> I updated the content on the front page http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/. Sorry, I'm not very creative, but it's at least descriptive enough in a placeholder sort of way. I also added three announcements and a link to the program management list (awards-program) on the discussions page. I assume we'll need a "general info" list for applicants to sign up to, yes? If so, let me know and I can do that easily enough. And rather than mess around with "events" and "news" or delete those pages, I just updated those pages to point to the corresponding main OpenSolaris events/news pages. I added some blogs, too, and also some pointers to the main blogs pages. And, finally, I removed a lot of the "edit here ... " stuff that comes along with a new project. Just tried to make the place look lived in a bit. *Derek* ... can you please change the contest box link on the front page to point here http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/ and not to the Advocacy CG? I'll update the Advocacy CG front page after you change that link. Thanks, Jim Jesse Silver wrote: > Thanks so much Jim. I'll send this to Terri immediately. > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> >>> Jesse Silver wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Jim- >>>> >>>> For the press release, we need a convenient URL to direct people to. >>>> Should we use opensolaris.org, and let people navigate to the awards >>>> program, or can we set up a smaller and more appropriate URL? >>>> >>>> >>> I'll set up the project today if I get another +1. We can direct people >>> there. The project URL will be easier than just putting pages in the CG. >>> I'll check with Derek if we can have a re-direct to shorten the length >>> even further, though. I'm sure it's not a problem. >>> >>> >> >> Project: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/ >> URL re-direct for PR/Jesse: http://opensolaris.org/os/awards/ >> >> Jim >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > -- Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Fri Jan 25 12:29:53 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:29:53 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] [Fwd: Request: blog urls] Message-ID: <479A46C1.6040001@Sun.COM> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Request: blog urls Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:58:47 -0800 From: Micheline Nijmeh To: community-awards at sun.com Team: I'd like to add blogger urls to the sun.com/opensource/awards page on the right nav. Can you forward me your top blogs for each of your community (one per, please)? I'm also assuming, you plan to have them blog about your programs starting on Monday. For our call tomorrow at 11am PT, let's discuss marketing efforts and some of the things I'm working on and share ideas. Thanks, Micheline From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Fri Jan 25 14:55:24 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:55:24 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Reminder: Community Awards Call 4pm TODAY Message-ID: <479A68DC.2050508@Sun.COM> Hi folks, I hope some of you can join us. We need to do some t-crossing and i-dotting today. Luckily the announcement has been pushed out one day. Whew! Agenda - Review website - Review FAQ - Review latest version of rules before sending to Manatt Thanks, T From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Jan 25 15:19:52 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:19:52 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Website Message-ID: <479A6E98.2030904@sun.com> I've done some work on the website. You can check it out here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/ It's not great, but it's a fine starting place. I'll make any changes you ask over the weekend, and probably bulk it up a bit with more descriptive language, and maybe some graphix. Have a great meeting, J From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Jan 24 16:55:10 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:55:10 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] [Fwd: DRAFT: v1.24.08-tm-jd] Message-ID: <4799336E.8030707@Sun.COM> Please review and provide comments to me asap. 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Thanks, T From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Fri Jan 25 18:19:01 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:19:01 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] End of week news... In-Reply-To: <4799A7EA.50202@sun.com> References: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> <479936AF.4080903@sun.com> <47993ED8.7060003@sun.com> <47996040.4060301@sun.com> <4799A7EA.50202@sun.com> Message-ID: <479A9895.2080308@Sun.COM> Thanks for all the work Jim. Regarding lists. I think we need at least two. One for contest submissions and one for grant submissions. Can you please create them asap so we can get them into the FAQ on Monday? Thanks, T Jim Grisanzio wrote: > I updated the content on the front page > http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/. Sorry, I'm not very creative, > but it's at least descriptive enough in a placeholder sort of way. I > also added three announcements and a link to the program management list > (awards-program) on the discussions page. I assume we'll need a "general > info" list for applicants to sign up to, yes? If so, let me know and I > can do that easily enough. And rather than mess around with "events" and > "news" or delete those pages, I just updated those pages to point to the > corresponding main OpenSolaris events/news pages. I added some blogs, > too, and also some pointers to the main blogs pages. And, finally, I > removed a lot of the "edit here ... " stuff that comes along with a new > project. Just tried to make the place look lived in a bit. > > *Derek* ... can you please change the contest box link on the front page > to point here http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/ and not to the > Advocacy CG? I'll update the Advocacy CG front page after you change > that link. > > Thanks, > > > Jim > > > > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> Thanks so much Jim. I'll send this to Terri immediately. >> >> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> >>> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Jesse Silver wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jim- >>>>> >>>>> For the press release, we need a convenient URL to direct people to. >>>>> Should we use opensolaris.org, and let people navigate to the awards >>>>> program, or can we set up a smaller and more appropriate URL? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I'll set up the project today if I get another +1. We can direct people >>>> there. The project URL will be easier than just putting pages in the CG. >>>> I'll check with Derek if we can have a re-direct to shorten the length >>>> even further, though. I'm sure it's not a problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Project: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/ >>> URL re-direct for PR/Jesse: http://opensolaris.org/os/awards/ >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> awards-program mailing list >> awards-program at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program >> >> > > > From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Fri Jan 25 18:34:41 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:34:41 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Website In-Reply-To: <479A6E98.2030904@sun.com> References: <479A6E98.2030904@sun.com> Message-ID: <479A9C41.4090204@Sun.COM> Hi Jesse, Here are some things we saw that could be changed on the website. Landing - update with correct dates - see FAQ and/or rules - add registration stuff - summary of the official rules, highlight deadlines - maybe put 1 & 2 of FAQ on this page - 3-7 in FAQ Project Ideas - may want to keep this on Genunix so folks can add stuff or remove the language that says folks can add ideas Research - may want to avoid jargon...crossing T's and dotting I's - program is global - DATE should be February 15, 2008 General - We decided to have an FAQ for each program, but the Grant one is not written yet. - James or Ben mentioned that we should do whatever we need to do to optimize searches. That is, the Landing page for the Contest should be where folks land for the contest portion, and the landing page for the Grants should be where folks land for that portion. Make sense? That's it for now. T Jesse Silver wrote: > I've done some work on the website. You can check it out here: > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/ > > It's not great, but it's a fine starting place. I'll make any changes > you ask over the weekend, and probably bulk it up a bit with more > descriptive language, and maybe some graphix. > > Have a great meeting, > J > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Fri Jan 25 19:03:23 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:03:23 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Awards 1/25 Message-ID: <479AA2FB.4000905@Sun.COM> Hi Folks, Here are some brief notes. A couple *important* things: - Everyone, please plan to join the call on Monday and expect it to be a lengthy call. The press release has been moved to Tuesday at 8am PT. We will review the website, FAQ and final contest rules on Monday. - Please review the website, rules and FAQ *before* 4pm on Monday and be prepared with specific comments. We will move much more quickly if we have all reviewed in advance. - We need to continue the daily calls until the grant program is done. So, please keep this meeting on your calendar for at least next week, and probably the week after. Thanks, T Attendees: Teresa Derek James Ben Website: We reviewed the website and sent Jesse recommendations in a separate note. FAQ: We updated the FAQ a lot. We determined that we should have two FAQs. One for the contest and one for the grant program. This is the contest only FAQ. Will build the grant FAQ next week. http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Awards_Program_FAQ From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Sun Jan 27 23:20:47 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:20:47 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] PLEASE REVIEW: Contest Rules Message-ID: <479D824F.4000901@sun.com> Hi Folks, We have one last issue in the Data Privacy section, and there might be even more countries added tomorrow. Please take a careful and raise any comments ASAP. We will not be able to get changes to the attorneys after our meeting at 4pm. If need be, we'll get together earlier in the day. T -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenSolaris Rules.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 177098 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Sun Jan 27 23:35:28 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:35:28 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] End of week news... In-Reply-To: <479A9895.2080308@Sun.COM> References: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> <479936AF.4080903@sun.com> <47993ED8.7060003@sun.com> <47996040.4060301@sun.com> <4799A7EA.50202@sun.com> <479A9895.2080308@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <479D85C0.3000709@sun.com> Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Thanks for all the work Jim. Regarding lists. I think we need at least > two. One for contest submissions and one for grant submissions. Can > you please create them asap so we can get them into the FAQ on Monday? > Grants: http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/grant-submit Contest: http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/contest-submit Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon Jan 28 00:38:28 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:38:28 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] End of week news... In-Reply-To: <479D85C0.3000709@sun.com> References: <4798F11F.2080402@sun.com> <479936AF.4080903@sun.com> <47993ED8.7060003@sun.com> <47996040.4060301@sun.com> <4799A7EA.50202@sun.com> <479A9895.2080308@Sun.COM> <479D85C0.3000709@sun.com> Message-ID: <479D9484.1080306@sun.com> Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Teresa Giacomini wrote: > >> Thanks for all the work Jim. Regarding lists. I think we need at least >> two. One for contest submissions and one for grant submissions. Can >> you please create them asap so we can get them into the FAQ on Monday? >> >> > Grants: http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/grant-submit > Contest: http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/contest-submit > I added these new lists to the Discussion page: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/discussions/ Also updated the main page with that link as well ... Jim -- Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Mon Jan 28 08:15:17 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:15:17 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] PLS REVIEW: New Version of Contest Rules Message-ID: <479DFF95.4090305@sun.com> Hi everyone, Got a new version from the attorneys this morning. Data privacy issue is still open. Other small tweaks were made (but I don't know exactly where!). T -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Section 16: This was not changed from our discussion last week. The Sponsor should be the Awards Project in the Advocacy CG, correct? Bonnie Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Got a new version from the attorneys this morning. Data privacy issue > is still open. Other small tweaks were made (but I don't know exactly > where!). > > T > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Jan 28 20:08:26 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:08:26 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Website is done. Message-ID: <479EA6BA.4010209@sun.com> The rules are posted, and everything is in place for tomorrow. Good luck all :) From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Jan 29 01:32:41 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:32:41 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] Website is done. In-Reply-To: <479EA6BA.4010209@sun.com> References: <479EA6BA.4010209@sun.com> Message-ID: <479EF2B9.1070402@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > The rules are posted, and everything is in place for tomorrow. > > Good luck all :) I put a project opening announcement on opensolairs-announce. When the rules are announced, we can do another one. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM Tue Jan 29 14:45:54 2008 From: Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM (Alan Coopersmith) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:45:54 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Project Ideas list Message-ID: <479FACA2.8030801@sun.com> I know, it's a bit late, but I hadn't looked in a while. I noticed today the project ideas list includes: - Port Skype but that wouldn't really be a valid project would it? It's a closed source proprietary product, so would violate sections 5B & 5D of the rules, as well as being highly unlikely that eBay would sign an SCA to give Sun rights to it. Perhaps a more generic "Port a Voice-over-IP (VOIP) solution" entry would be better? -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Tue Jan 29 14:50:46 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:50:46 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Project Ideas list In-Reply-To: <479FACA2.8030801@sun.com> References: <479FACA2.8030801@sun.com> Message-ID: <479FADC6.60203@Sun.COM> Good point Alan. I believe the project ideas list is on the wiki.. Feel free to edit away! Add more too... Alan Coopersmith wrote: > I know, it's a bit late, but I hadn't looked in a while. I noticed today > the project ideas list includes: > > - Port Skype > > but that wouldn't really be a valid project would it? It's a closed source > proprietary product, so would violate sections 5B & 5D of the rules, as well > as being highly unlikely that eBay would sign an SCA to give Sun rights to it. > > Perhaps a more generic "Port a Voice-over-IP (VOIP) solution" entry would be > better? > > From james.liu at sun.com Tue Jan 29 14:53:44 2008 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu, IHV OEM Engineering) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:53:44 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Project Ideas list In-Reply-To: <479FADC6.60203@Sun.COM> References: <479FACA2.8030801@sun.com> <479FADC6.60203@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <479FAE78.5040601@sun.com> Solaris support ekiga and we've got it working on logitech generic cams and generic mics. Not bad either. -James +------------------------------------------------+ | James C. Liu, Ph.D., Solaris IHV OEM Engr'ng | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Good point Alan. I believe the project ideas list is on the wiki.. > Feel free to edit away! Add more too... > > Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> I know, it's a bit late, but I hadn't looked in a while. I noticed today >> the project ideas list includes: >> >> - Port Skype >> >> but that wouldn't really be a valid project would it? It's a closed source >> proprietary product, so would violate sections 5B & 5D of the rules, as well >> as being highly unlikely that eBay would sign an SCA to give Sun rights to it. >> >> Perhaps a more generic "Port a Voice-over-IP (VOIP) solution" entry would be >> better? >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Tue Jan 29 18:06:52 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:06:52 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Awards Meeting - 1/29 Message-ID: <479FDBBC.7060802@Sun.COM> Hi folks, Some cursory notes.... T Attendees: Teresa Jim Jesse Grant Program ------------------- We started the review of the grant program. We quickly realized that we need to get some assistance on this from folks who have conducted grant programs before. Teresa will contact Sun's External Research Organization. If folks have other ideas, please let me know. Getting the Word Out ---------------------------- - Jim will send announcement and send to the discuss list - We will forward to lists we are a part of: - Teresa - edu-discuss - Michelle/Alta - docs - Jesse - indiana - Jim - UGs - Teresa will send a note to the Campus Ambassadors - Micheline is producing a handout which we will use at SIGCSE - We also need a Tech Days handout - Other ideas? From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Jan 29 20:08:33 2008 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:08:33 +0900 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Awards Meeting - 1/29 In-Reply-To: <479FDBBC.7060802@Sun.COM> References: <479FDBBC.7060802@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <479FF841.2040302@sun.com> > Getting the Word Out > ---------------------------- > - Jim will send announcement and send to the discuss list > > - We will forward to lists we are a part of: > - Teresa - edu-discuss > - Michelle/Alta - docs > - Jesse - indiana > - Jim - UGs > > - Teresa will send a note to the Campus Ambassadors > - Micheline is producing a handout which we will use at SIGCSE > - We also need a Tech Days handout > > - Other ideas? I made an announcement on opensolaris-announce based on the Sun/Community announcement on sun.com: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/2008-January/001733.html. I'll blog and forward it around a bit. Others should do the same. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Tue Jan 29 21:26:29 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:26:29 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] Notes: Community Awards Meeting - 1/29 In-Reply-To: <479FF841.2040302@sun.com> References: <479FDBBC.7060802@Sun.COM> <479FF841.2040302@sun.com> Message-ID: <47A00A85.2080301@sun.com> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> Getting the Word Out >> ---------------------------- >> - Jim will send announcement and send to the discuss list >> >> - We will forward to lists we are a part of: >> - Teresa - edu-discuss >> - Michelle/Alta - docs >> - Jesse - indiana >> - Jim - UGs >> >> - Teresa will send a note to the Campus Ambassadors >> - Micheline is producing a handout which we will use at SIGCSE >> - We also need a Tech Days handout >> >> - Other ideas? > > I made an announcement on opensolaris-announce based on the > Sun/Community announcement on sun.com: > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/2008-January/001733.html. > > > I'll blog and forward it around a bit. Others should do the same. > > Jim > I sent it on the Academic and Research community. From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Wed Jan 30 14:59:43 2008 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:59:43 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] No Meeting Today Message-ID: <47A1015F.7070207@sun.com> Hi folks, Katherine Hartsell can meet with us tomorrow at 4pm, so we'll wait for her. Enjoy the extra hour and the breather! T From jocky.ram at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 04:11:15 2008 From: jocky.ram at gmail.com (Ram Kumar) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:41:15 +0530 Subject: [awards-program] I work This project Message-ID: <2b44e7cd0801310411t2bd22081j5d518637a81883ec@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, DTrace. Can you write a new script to do something interesting? Can you enhance the DTrace GUI? i work This project With Regards K.Ramu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Liu, Ph.D., Solaris IHV OEM Engr'ng | | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | | 17 Network Circle, UMPK-17-207 | | Menlo Park, CA 94025, USA | | +1-650-786-5179 Direct, +1-650-786-5747 FAX | +------------------------------------------------+ Jesse Silver wrote: > I'll be a bit late to today's meeting. I'll get there as soon as possible. > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Thu Jan 31 15:38:34 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:38:34 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/31 meeting: grant program In-Reply-To: <47A25B64.3030502@Sun.COM> References: <47A25B64.3030502@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <47A25BFA.5000800@Sun.COM> My message bounced because attachments are too big. Please find and review your copy of the attachments - they were sent out previously. Alta Elstad wrote: > Katherine Hartsell will join our meeting today to discuss the student > research grants portion of the OpenSolaris Community Innovation Awards > program. > > Dial-in Info: > ------------- > 866-651-9314 > 865-525-0765 x44404 > p/c 1234403 > > Please review attached material. From Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM Thu Jan 31 15:36:04 2008 From: Alta.Elstad at Sun.COM (Alta Elstad) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:36:04 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/31 meeting: grant program Message-ID: <47A25B64.3030502@Sun.COM> Katherine Hartsell will join our meeting today to discuss the student research grants portion of the OpenSolaris Community Innovation Awards program. Dial-in Info: ------------- 866-651-9314 865-525-0765 x44404 p/c 1234403 Please review attached material. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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T Alta Elstad wrote: > My message bounced because attachments are too big. Please find and review your > copy of the attachments - they were sent out previously. > > Alta Elstad wrote: > >> Katherine Hartsell will join our meeting today to discuss the student >> research grants portion of the OpenSolaris Community Innovation Awards >> program. >> >> Dial-in Info: >> ------------- >> 866-651-9314 >> 865-525-0765 x44404 >> p/c 1234403 >> >> Please review attached material. >> > _______________________________________________ > awards-program mailing list > awards-program at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/awards-program > From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Jan 31 16:36:04 2008 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:36:04 -0800 Subject: [awards-program] 1/31 meeting: grant program In-Reply-To: <47A26322.1070307@Sun.COM> References: <47A25B64.3030502@Sun.COM> <47A25BFA.5000800@Sun.COM> <47A26322.1070307@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <47A26974.7010402@sun.com> Thanks for doing this Teresa :) I'll be on an airplane tomorrow at 4pm, but will definitely be on the call on Monday. Talk to everyone then, J Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Sorry. Katherine sent me an email saying she could not make it today > after all. I am going to use this time to try to track down some other > folks with experience with research grants. If I get some good > information to share, we will meet tomorrow. Otherwise no meeting until > Monday. Watch this space. > > T > > Alta Elstad wrote: > >> My message bounced because attachments are too big. 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