From al at logical-approach.com Thu Apr 13 14:56:19 2006 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:56:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call Message-ID: I'd like to propose a CAB conf call for next Wed Apr 20th at noon Pacific. Topics to discuss: - Companion CD and the ongoing discussion on os-discuss - community versus project creation - weeding down the number of communities/project; general discussion - where we are with CAB/OGB deliverables - determine the available resources to finish the deliverables and establish AIs (Action Items). - status of the CAB chair Jim - I'm hoping you can join us. Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 From Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM Thu Apr 13 16:17:05 2006 From: Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM (Simon Phipps) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:17:05 +0100 Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9751D93E-0E1F-4F4A-910F-E1ED4EABEA4A@Sun.COM> I'll be in Brazil that week & will find it very hard to call in, but I agree we should have a call. Main issue on most of those items is the Governance. The clock is ticking & none of us is doing it. S. On Apr 13, 2006, at 22:56, Al Hopper wrote: > > I'd like to propose a CAB conf call for next Wed Apr 20th at noon > Pacific. > Topics to discuss: > > - Companion CD and the ongoing discussion on os-discuss > - community versus project creation > - weeding down the number of communities/project; general discussion > - where we are with CAB/OGB deliverables > - determine the available resources to finish the deliverables and > establish AIs (Action Items). > - status of the CAB chair > > Jim - I'm hoping you can join us. > > Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com > Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT > OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 > _______________________________________________ > cab-discuss mailing list > cab-discuss at opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Fri Apr 14 08:12:37 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:12:37 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: <9751D93E-0E1F-4F4A-910F-E1ED4EABEA4A@Sun.COM> References: <9751D93E-0E1F-4F4A-910F-E1ED4EABEA4A@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <443FBBE5.9080705@sun.com> Is this proposed call for the CAB only or is it for the Governance working group as well? Jim Simon Phipps wrote: > I'll be in Brazil that week & will find it very hard to call in, but I > agree we should have a call. Main issue on most of those items is the > Governance. The clock is ticking & none of us is doing it. > > S. > > On Apr 13, 2006, at 22:56, Al Hopper wrote: > >> >> I'd like to propose a CAB conf call for next Wed Apr 20th at noon >> Pacific. >> Topics to discuss: >> >> - Companion CD and the ongoing discussion on os-discuss >> - community versus project creation >> - weeding down the number of communities/project; general discussion >> - where we are with CAB/OGB deliverables >> - determine the available resources to finish the deliverables and >> establish AIs (Action Items). >> - status of the CAB chair >> >> Jim - I'm hoping you can join us. >> >> Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com >> Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT >> OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 >> _______________________________________________ >> cab-discuss mailing list >> cab-discuss at opensolaris.org > > -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From al at logical-approach.com Fri Apr 14 08:19:05 2006 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:19:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: <443FBBE5.9080705@sun.com> References: <9751D93E-0E1F-4F4A-910F-E1ED4EABEA4A@Sun.COM> <443FBBE5.9080705@sun.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Apr 2006, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Is this proposed call for the CAB only or is it for the Governance > working group as well? Lets include the Governance working group also. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 From rich.teer at rite-group.com Mon Apr 17 15:18:32 2006 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Al Hopper wrote: > I'd like to propose a CAB conf call for next Wed Apr 20th at noon Pacific. > Topics to discuss: Alas, much as I'd like to join this call, I have something already booked then. I can make 13:00, or noon the next Wednesday if that'd help. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM Mon Apr 17 15:49:41 2006 From: Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM (Simon Phipps) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:49:41 +0100 Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F4C24CD-7DF9-46AC-A463-2346DA83B53F@Sun.COM> So that's two of us out of commission - have others confirmed, Jim? S. On Apr 17, 2006, at 23:18, Rich Teer wrote: > On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Al Hopper wrote: > >> I'd like to propose a CAB conf call for next Wed Apr 20th at noon >> Pacific. >> Topics to discuss: > > Alas, much as I'd like to join this call, I have something already > booked then. I can make 13:00, or noon the next Wednesday if that'd > help. > > -- > Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member > > President, > Rite Online Inc. > > Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 > URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich > _______________________________________________ > cab-discuss mailing list > cab-discuss at opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon Apr 17 16:16:05 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:16:05 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: <9F4C24CD-7DF9-46AC-A463-2346DA83B53F@Sun.COM> References: <9F4C24CD-7DF9-46AC-A463-2346DA83B53F@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <444421B5.6050604@sun.com> Simon Phipps wrote: > So that's two of us out of commission - have others confirmed, Jim? Only Ben has confirmed. Jim > On Apr 17, 2006, at 23:18, Rich Teer wrote: > >> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Al Hopper wrote: >> >>> I'd like to propose a CAB conf call for next Wed Apr 20th at noon >>> Pacific. >>> Topics to discuss: >> >> >> Alas, much as I'd like to join this call, I have something already >> booked then. I can make 13:00, or noon the next Wednesday if that'd >> help. >> >> -- >> Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member >> >> President, >> Rite Online Inc. >> >> Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 >> URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich >> _______________________________________________ >> cab-discuss mailing list >> cab-discuss at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > cab-discuss mailing list > cab-discuss at opensolaris.org From Casper.Dik at Sun.COM Tue Apr 18 01:21:35 2006 From: Casper.Dik at Sun.COM (Casper.Dik at Sun.COM) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:21:35 +0200 Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: <444421B5.6050604@sun.com> References: <9F4C24CD-7DF9-46AC-A463-2346DA83B53F@Sun.COM> <444421B5.6050604@sun.com> Message-ID: <200604180821.k3I8LZDk014382@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> >Simon Phipps wrote: >> So that's two of us out of commission - have others confirmed, Jim? > >Only Ben has confirmed. I'll confirm too. Casper From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Apr 18 09:22:14 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:22:14 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: <200604180821.k3I8LZDk014382@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> References: <9F4C24CD-7DF9-46AC-A463-2346DA83B53F@Sun.COM> <444421B5.6050604@sun.com> <200604180821.k3I8LZDk014382@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <44451236.6090708@sun.com> Casper.Dik at Sun.COM wrote: >>Simon Phipps wrote: >> >>>So that's two of us out of commission - have others confirmed, Jim? >> >>Only Ben has confirmed. > > > > I'll confirm too. > > Casper Keith confirmed as well. Jim From al at logical-approach.com Tue Apr 18 09:23:44 2006 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:23:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: <44451236.6090708@sun.com> References: <9F4C24CD-7DF9-46AC-A463-2346DA83B53F@Sun.COM> <444421B5.6050604@sun.com> <200604180821.k3I8LZDk014382@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> <44451236.6090708@sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Casper.Dik at Sun.COM wrote: > >>Simon Phipps wrote: > >> > >>>So that's two of us out of commission - have others confirmed, Jim? > >> > >>Only Ben has confirmed. > > > > > > > > I'll confirm too. > > > > Casper > > > Keith confirmed as well. I will be available. Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 From sch at eng.sun.com Tue Apr 18 09:27:59 2006 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:27:59 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: References: <9F4C24CD-7DF9-46AC-A463-2346DA83B53F@Sun.COM> <444421B5.6050604@sun.com> <200604180821.k3I8LZDk014382@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> <44451236.6090708@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060418162759.GB370633@eng.sun.com> * Al Hopper [2006-04-18 09:23]: > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > > > Casper.Dik at Sun.COM wrote: > > >>Simon Phipps wrote: > > > > > So that's two of us out of commission - have others confirmed, Jim? > > > > > > > >Only Ben has confirmed. > > > > > > I'll confirm too. > > > > Keith confirmed as well. > > I will be available. Me, too. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Apr 19 09:21:15 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:21:15 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] propose a CAB conf call In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4446637B.2030107@sun.com> Al Hopper wrote: > I'd like to propose a CAB conf call for next Wed Apr 20th at noon Pacific. Just to clarify. Wednesday -- today -- is the 19th. Al's CAB meeting is today at noon pacific. Jim From sch at eng.sun.com Wed Apr 19 13:36:37 2006 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:36:37 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] AI 1: New descriptions for opensolaris-{discuss, code} aliases Message-ID: <20060419203637.GA380556@eng.sun.com> The current long description for opensolaris-discuss is OpenSolaris General Discussion I suggest extending this to OpenSolaris General Discussion. All topics involving OpenSolaris are open for discussion. The current long description for opensolaris-code is OpenSolaris Code General Discussion I propose changing this to OpenSolaris Technical Discussion. Technical topics involving the architecture or implementation of any OpenSolaris component may be discussed in this forum. Corrections, enhancements desired. Both lists will continue to use their current identifiers, and both will remain unmoderated. opensolaris-code will become moderated if unsuitable submissions cannot be discouraged on an individual basis. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Apr 19 14:34:03 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:34:03 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] OGB Meeting Notes: Wed April 19 Message-ID: <4446ACCB.9090107@sun.com> Below are meeting notes from the OGB conference call today. Jim OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Conference Call Wed April 19, 2006, Noon pacific OGB members present: Al Hopper, Casper Dik Governance Working Group members present: Stephen Hahn, Ben Rockwood OGB Correspondent: Jim Grisanzio Issues Discussed * Project Creation: The observation was made that some projects are created and seconded and approved too quickly and that some of the seconders are actually leaders of the project. So, in order to provide enough time for comment, a change will be made in the project creation process to say that all project proposals will stay on list for 48 hours before they are approved. * Project Names: Project leaders need to consider more descriptive names for their projects so community members can easily understand the nature of the project. Also, leaders need to be mindful of trademark issues and check names at the US Patent and Trademark Office website. Additionally, the policy should be amended to reflect that code names can no be used for communities. * Lists: Some have articulated the desire to have moderated lists for highly technical conversations because opensolaris-discuss is too high traffic an oftentimes is off topic. Some also observed that moderation can be difficult due to the large number of lists that the project already has and we don't want any lag in approving mail. It was decided that a kernel-only list was not needed. So, a compromise was reached: opensolaris-code will be used for technical conversations, more people will be actively directed to engage there for technical conversations, but that the list will not be moderated initially. Also, the descriptions on -code and -discuss will be updated to more accurately reflect the conversations that are encouraged on those lists. * Active Diplomacy: Should the OGB play a more active role in resolving disputes on list or in reaching out to groups or companies participating in the OpenSolaris community? The observation was made that there are businesses (or organizations) involved with OpenSolaris -- Sun, Nexenta, Blastwave, etc -- not just individuals. What's the OGB's role with respect to engaging these entities to make sure that everyone is interacting properly. The issue needs further discussion. * Role of the Chair: Should the OGB Chair be the OGB spokesperson on potential disputes on the lists? Should it be the community manager? At what point does a conversation lead to an off-topic flame, who steps in and under what authority? This needs to be addressed in governance conversations. * Governance Document: The format of the document should be consistent with more of a by-laws structure. New document to be created from scratch, rather than editing the current document. Stephen will circulate some examples for consideration. * Governance Threads: Need to re-start governance conversations with discussion threads on cab-discuss about specific issues. Initial threads to cover dispute resolution, community membership, and the role communities play in governance. * OGB Call: The OGB will meet in two weeks for another conference call. Action Items * Stephen Hahn to update -discuss and -code list descriptions * Stephen Hahn to circulate references to governance documents * Ben Rockwood to start thread on membership issues on cab-discuss * Al Hopper to start thread about dispute resolutions on cab-discuss Next OGB Meeting * Wed May 3rd, noon pacific * Call-in numbers will be circulated as a reminder on Mon May 1. From derek.cicero at sun.com Wed Apr 19 15:06:01 2006 From: derek.cicero at sun.com (Derek Cicero) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:06:01 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: AI 1: New descriptions for opensolaris-{discuss, code} aliases In-Reply-To: <20060419203637.GA380556@eng.sun.com> References: <20060419203637.GA380556@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <4446B449.5040207@sun.com> Stephen Hahn wrote: > The current long description for opensolaris-discuss is > > OpenSolaris General Discussion > > I suggest extending this to > > OpenSolaris General Discussion. All topics involving > OpenSolaris are open for discussion. This has been updated in both mailman and Jive. > > The current long description for opensolaris-code is > > OpenSolaris Code General Discussion > > I propose changing this to > > OpenSolaris Technical Discussion. Technical topics involving > the architecture or implementation of any OpenSolaris component > may be discussed in this forum. Here is the current short description for the 'code' list in mailman. Does any of this (specifically the Sun security stuff) need to be saved? This list is for technical discussion of OpenSolaris code and any associated tools, including the compiler. Discussion of bugs and feature requests is fine, but specific bug reports or feature requests should go to opensolaris-bugs or opensolaris-rfe, respectively. Please report security bugs directly to the Sun Security Coordination Team, using the instructions at http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/show.pl?target=security/sec ("Contact Sun Security Coordination Team"). > > Corrections, enhancements desired. > > Both lists will continue to use their current identifiers, and both > will remain unmoderated. opensolaris-code will become moderated if > unsuitable submissions cannot be discouraged on an individual basis. > > - Stephen > -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division From sch at eng.sun.com Wed Apr 19 15:17:40 2006 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:17:40 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: AI 1: New descriptions for opensolaris-{discuss, code} aliases In-Reply-To: <4446B449.5040207@sun.com> References: <20060419203637.GA380556@eng.sun.com> <4446B449.5040207@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060419221740.GA381551@eng.sun.com> * Derek Cicero [2006-04-19 15:06]: > Stephen Hahn wrote: > Here is the current short description for the 'code' list in mailman. > > Does any of this (specifically the Sun security stuff) need to be saved? > > This list is for technical discussion of OpenSolaris code and any > associated tools, including the compiler. Discussion of bugs and > feature requests is fine, but specific bug reports or feature > requests should go to opensolaris-bugs or opensolaris-rfe, > respectively. Please report security bugs directly to the Sun > Security Coordination Team, using the instructions at > http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/show.pl?target=security/sec > ("Contact Sun Security Coordination Team"). I don't think so (or is the last sentence on every opensolaris- alias?). In a couple of weeks, we can work on the collapse of -rfe into -bugs, and we'll make this aspect more clear then. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From sch at eng.sun.com Wed Apr 19 16:23:17 2006 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:23:17 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: AI 1: New descriptions for opensolaris-{discuss, code} aliases In-Reply-To: <20060419221740.GA381551@eng.sun.com> References: <20060419203637.GA380556@eng.sun.com> <4446B449.5040207@sun.com> <20060419221740.GA381551@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <20060419232317.GA385299@eng.sun.com> Okay, Derek's updated the Jive and Mailman blurbs with the draft text; if there are refinements, we'll update the blurbs. At this point, I believe it's up to Eric and Al to announce the precise use of opensolaris-code. One aspect worth emphasizing is the suitability for people who want the broad coverage of opensolaris-discuss without "non-technical noise". I have a couple of things to finish tomorrow, and then I'll get on my next AI for governance. Cheers Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/