From sch at eng.sun.com Mon Feb 6 23:01:33 2006 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:01:33 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] [CHARTER] Post-legal review draft Message-ID: <20060207070133.GA331486@eng.sun.com> We got back a clear reply from Sun Legal last week: the ability to handle funds independently of Sun (which I believe is what was desired) requires some form of independent legal entity recognized by the IRS (or appropriate government revenue agency appropriate to the jurisdiction). So the former Provision 7 has been removed. Naturally, we also received feedback on various ambiguities in the text; Keith and I have, where we thought the ambiguity was real, rephrased some of the provisions (or deleted confusing phrases). I've included the draft below; I'm happy to send a tar file with the SCCS directory if anyone would like it. Thanks Stephen ---- The OpenSolaris Charter ident "@(#)charter.txt 1.12 06/02/06 SMI" 0. Whereby Sun Microsystems, Inc. (Sun) has granted license to a certain subset of its Solaris Operating System, known henceforth as OpenSolaris, to all under terms compatible with Open Source ideals, and whereby open and constructive development and dissemination of this code base is desired by all, Sun does by the execution of this charter all of the following: First, establish an OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) to manage and direct an OpenSolaris community in its efforts to improve upon and advocate in favor of OpenSolaris, so that the community may long endure. Second, grant to the OGB certain powers and rights as are necessary to discharge its duties. Third, assign to the OGB a suitable initial membership. Last, establish a time at which this initial OGB shall have discharged its responsibilities and ceded to its successor the powers and rights granted herein. 1. The OGB shall be comprised of natural persons of number and nature to be defined by the Constitution, but in no event shall they be fewer than three in number at any time. The Board shall be selected and shall conduct its affairs in accordance with democratic principles and shall represent the interests of the OpenSolaris community. 1.1. Should the OGB number fewer than three persons at any time, Sun shall, at its sole discretion, appoint to the OGB additional natural persons sufficient in number to increase the OGB's membership to three. 2. The OGB shall construct and maintain a Constitution defining all of the following: 2.1. A process by which the Constitution may be amended from time to time. 2.2. Methods and processes by which the OGB's membership shall be determined. These must at all times ensure satisfaction of the constraints imposed by this charter, including but not limited to those described in Section 1. 2.3. The roles recognized within the community. 2.4. The rights and responsibilities associated with each role. 2.5. The intended methods of communication between the OGB and Sun. 2.6. Methods and processes by which disputes and disagreements among OpenSolaris community members might be resolved in a fair and just manner. OpenSolaris community members are to receive equal treatment during the resolution of a dispute or disagreement, without reference to any personal attribute or affiliation. 2.7. Regulations applicable to the OpenSolaris community as it finds beneficial to its development and growth. 2.8. The establishment and operation of, and delegation of appropriate powers and rights to, any associate governing bodies which it shall deem appropriate to the execution of any part of the Constitution or this Charter. In all cases, disputes not resolvable within those delegated bodies may be appealed to the OGB. 3. The OGB shall define and implement a process for its ratification of the Constitution, in a manner consistent with democratic principles. This process shall at a minimum involve members of the OpenSolaris community in addition to the membership of the OGB. 4. The initial Constitution shall be operable when ratified by both the OGB and Sun. 5. The OGB shall be the supreme and final arbiter of all matters pertaining to the OpenSolaris Constitution. 6. All powers and rights are granted to the OGB which are required for the execution of this Charter or the properly ratified Constitution and which are not inconsistent with applicable law or regulation. However, nothing in this charter shall be construed so as to confer to the OGB: (a) any title or right under copyright, patent, trademark, or other intellectual property law; (b) control of or interest in any asset, tangible or intangible, of Sun Microsystems, Inc. or any of its subsidiaries; (c) control of or interest in Sun Microsystems, Inc. or any of its subsidiaries. 7. All members of the Community Advisory Board (CAB) shall be initial members of the OGB. The initial OGB may select additional initial members as it may require to discharge its duties. 8. No initial OGB member may retain his or her membership beyond 1 April 2006, or after such time as the first OGB members selected in accordance with the terms of a properly ratified Constitution take office, whichever occurs first. However, if an initial member shall be so selected, he or she may serve as he or she otherwise would. 9. Notwithstanding any part of provisions 8 and 9, the CAB and the initial OGB shall be dissolved on 1 April 2006. 10. If the initial OGB shall be dissolved before an initial Constitution is properly ratified, Sun shall appoint a new set of initial OGB members in any manner it shall deem appropriate, and the terms of this Charter shall be applied to those replacement members with the following exceptions: 10.1. Provision 7 shall be inoperable. 10.2. Provision 8 shall be altered such that the termination date shall be extended by 6 months. 10.3. Provision 9 shall be altered such the the reference to the CAB is removed and the dissolution date shall be extended by 6 months. 11. This Charter may be amended if both the OGB and Sun agree. If an agreement on amendment cannot be reached, or if the OGB fails to approve an amended Charter, the previous version of the Charter remains in force. 11.1. To request that the Charter be amended, the OGB must affirm a motion by a supermajority vote consisting of at least two-thirds of the current members. 11.2. To approve an amendment to the Charter, the OGB must affirm a motion by a supermajority vote consisting of at least two-thirds of the current 11.3. Notwithstanding any part of provisions 11, 11.1, or 11.2, the initial OGB shall have no power to alter any provision of this Charter. -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From Damien.Farnham at Sun.COM Tue Feb 7 07:13:07 2006 From: Damien.Farnham at Sun.COM (Damien Farnham) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:13:07 +0000 Subject: [cab-discuss] OpenSolairs CAB views Message-ID: <43E8B903.9050501@Sun.COM> Hi, I've been asked by the Solaris PAC to let you see the Solaris Performance criteria and the process that goes with that. 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Notwithstanding any part of provisions 8 and 9, the CAB and the > initial OGB shall be dissolved on 1 April 2006. I know why the preceding is here, but I'm not convinced that April 1 gives us long enough to ratify the Constitution, and hence may be a bit early to hit the Big Red Switch. I suggest pushoing back that date a month or two, but we can discuss this on the call. > 11.1. To request that the Charter be amended, the OGB must affirm a motion > by a supermajority vote consisting of at least two-thirds of the current > members. For the avoidance of doubt, does "members" above refer to OGB members, or OpenSolaris community members? > 11.2. To approve an amendment to the Charter, the OGB must affirm a > motion by a supermajority vote consisting of at least two-thirds of the > current Current what (members presumably)? -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From al at logical-approach.com Wed Feb 8 08:51:53 2006 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:51:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [tools-discuss] Distributed SCM status In-Reply-To: <20060208163219.GB349921@eng.sun.com> References: <20060208055227.GA346075@eng.sun.com> <1139402780.19091.2.camel@divert> <20060208163219.GB349921@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Stephen Hahn wrote: > * Patrick Mauritz [2006-02-08 04:48]: > > On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 06:52, Stephen Hahn wrote: > > > I want to thank each of these folks for their efforts so far. Is > > > anyone out there willing to fill in a requirements check for either > > > of bzr or SVK (or Monotone, Mercurial, or their own favourite DSCM)? > > I'm just in the last step of making a solaris/x86 package of ghc, and > > darcs comes directly after that. > > so if someone wants to evaluate it, it is an option now (solaris/sparc > > is already supported by the ghc team themselves, it seems) > > > > I'd need some place to put up the packages though (esp. the ghc one is > > rather large), any suggestions? > > We can use the site; I've been wondering if we should spin off the > evaluation to a separate project anyway. > > I owe both Cyril and you replies (but need to have breakfast)--the > reason we need to support two SCMs is not for any one project, but > that different consolidations have distinctly different requirements. > > ON's primary SCM will be the result of the distributed SCM evaluation. > > I would expect JDS's primary SCM to be Subversion. > Stephen, I'd like to suggest and recommend that we consider taking advantage of Cyrils expertize and commitment to the current Subversion instance of OpenSolaris[1] by using him to host the nightly drops as soon as they become available via Stephen Lau. The availability of a nightly SVN update would be a very valuable asset to the project and I'm sure that between Stephen Lau and Cyril, any bugs etc. during the initial rollout, could be quickly and professionally eliminated. [1] right from the public launch of the project. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 From sch at eng.sun.com Wed Feb 8 09:31:30 2006 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:31:30 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [tools-discuss] Distributed SCM status In-Reply-To: References: <20060208055227.GA346075@eng.sun.com> <1139402780.19091.2.camel@divert> <20060208163219.GB349921@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <20060208173130.GA350680@eng.sun.com> * Al Hopper [2006-02-08 08:52]: > On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Stephen Hahn wrote: > > > * Patrick Mauritz [2006-02-08 04:48]: > > > On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 06:52, Stephen Hahn wrote: > > > > I want to thank each of these folks for their efforts so far. Is > > > > anyone out there willing to fill in a requirements check for either > > > > of bzr or SVK (or Monotone, Mercurial, or their own favourite DSCM)? > > > I'm just in the last step of making a solaris/x86 package of ghc, and > > > darcs comes directly after that. > > > so if someone wants to evaluate it, it is an option now (solaris/sparc > > > is already supported by the ghc team themselves, it seems) > > > > > > I'd need some place to put up the packages though (esp. the ghc one is > > > rather large), any suggestions? > > > > We can use the site; I've been wondering if we should spin off the > > evaluation to a separate project anyway. > > > > I owe both Cyril and you replies (but need to have breakfast)--the > > reason we need to support two SCMs is not for any one project, but > > that different consolidations have distinctly different requirements. > > > > ON's primary SCM will be the result of the distributed SCM evaluation. > > > > I would expect JDS's primary SCM to be Subversion. > > > > Stephen, > > I'd like to suggest and recommend that we consider taking advantage of > Cyrils expertize and commitment to the current Subversion instance of > OpenSolaris[1] by using him to host the nightly drops as soon as they > become available via Stephen Lau. > > The availability of a nightly SVN update would be a very valuable asset to > the project and I'm sure that between Stephen Lau and Cyril, any bugs etc. > during the initial rollout, could be quickly and professionally eliminated. > > [1] right from the public launch of the project. I have no objection to having the genunix.org repository be a recipient of nightly drops, but a model where I-team members do pushes won't scale. (That is, the solution must be automated and public.) - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From al at logical-approach.com Fri Feb 10 14:35:30 2006 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:35:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: [cab-discuss] genunix wiki online Message-ID: Thanks to the hard work of our own Ben Rockwood, the wiki for OpenSolaris related activity is available at: www.genunix.org/wiki/ One of the items slated for "development" on the wiki is the OpenSolaris Governance document now known as the OpenSolaris Constitution. Leading this effort will be the CAB/OGB along with our special appointees: Ben Rockwood and Keith Wesolowski. Now jump in and participate.... :) Happy Friday! Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 From fielding at gbiv.com Fri Feb 10 17:19:39 2006 From: fielding at gbiv.com (Roy T. Fielding) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:19:39 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] genunix wiki online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 10, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Al Hopper wrote: > Thanks to the hard work of our own Ben Rockwood, the wiki for > OpenSolaris > related activity is available at: www.genunix.org/wiki/ > > One of the items slated for "development" on the wiki is the > OpenSolaris > Governance document now known as the OpenSolaris Constitution. > Leading > this effort will be the CAB/OGB along with our special appointees: Ben > Rockwood and Keith Wesolowski. Thanks guys -- that is an excellent wiki for collaborative editing. I have moved and converted the original governance proposal to http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Governance so we are now ready to move forward. I'll start integrating comments received last time. ....Roy From jim.grisanzio at sun.com Fri Feb 10 17:33:55 2006 From: jim.grisanzio at sun.com (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:33:55 PST Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Feb 8, 2006 Message-ID: <187831.1139621705101.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Below are meeting notes from the CAB meeting this Wednesday. Jim --- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Feb 8, 2006 CAB: Simon Phipps, Al Hopper, Rich Teer, Roy Fielding, Casper Dik. OpenSolaris Tech Lead: Stephen Hahn Governance Working Group: Keith Wesolowski, Ben Rockwood CAB correspondent: Jim Grisanzio The CAB discussed two issues: (1) Charter finalization (2) Constitution initiation (1) Charter Finalization * The text to the OpenSolaris Charter was discussed and some sections (1.1, 8, 9, 10.3 11.1, 11.2) were updated for either clarity issues or to correct typos. All agreed on the changes. * The CAB then formally voted and unanimously approved the OpenSolaris Charter. * The Charter was then sent to Sun's executive engineering management for final approval. (2) Constitution Initiation * With the Charter complete, the CAB has moved to Constitution development. * Al Hopper has agreed to implement a wiki for collaborative authoring on genunix. * Before next week's meeting, the CAB agreed that the wiki will be set up, current drafts of the Constitution and Development Process will be posted, and members will have logged in to test the system. * Next week's meeting will most likely be a quick status check. After next week's call -- and from that point forward -- Wednesday's at noon pacific will be reserved for potential CAB conference calls, anyone involved in the process can call for a meeting to resolve issues, but the majority of work will take place online and on the CAB's open list. * The CAB agreed to address the following issues: - To work from and build upon the initial Governance draft (to be re-named "Constitution"). Current draft is here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/cab/governance_proposal/ - Resolve differences in terms already defined in the Constitution and the Development Process document. The dev process draft is here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/onnv/os_dev_process/ - Produce an FAQ and glossary. - Ensure that all the principles articulated in the Charter are properly reflected in the Constitution. - Discuss ratification process proposals. From jim.grisanzio at sun.com Fri Feb 10 17:58:31 2006 From: jim.grisanzio at sun.com (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:58:31 PST Subject: [cab-discuss] OpenSolaris Charter: Approved Message-ID: <13277191.1139623141481.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> On Wednesday the CAB voted to approve the OpenSolaris Charter. Today Sun Microsystems also approved the Charter, and it was signed by Glenn Weinberg, vice president of Sun's Operating Platforms Group. The OpenSolaris Charter: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/cab/charter/ Congratulations to Simon Phipps, Al Hopper, Roy Fielding, Rich Teer, Casper Dik, Stephen Hahn and Keith Wesolowski for writing and editing and debating the Charter and to the community for providing valuable feedback on the drafts. Governance conversations have begun to develop an OpenSolaris Constitution. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From webmink at sun.com Fri Feb 10 19:49:02 2006 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:49:02 -0500 Subject: [cab-discuss] genunix wiki online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sara Dornsife has a branding programme proposal in preparation. Any objections if I invite her to edit in the proposals for the Branding/ Logo section? S. From al at logical-approach.com Sat Feb 11 03:21:20 2006 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:21:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [cab-discuss] genunix wiki online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Simon Phipps wrote: > Sara Dornsife has a branding programme proposal in preparation. Any > objections if I invite her to edit in the proposals for the Branding/ > Logo section? None whatsoever. Sounds like OpenSolaris related activity to me. Welcome Sara! Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 From fielding at gbiv.com Sat Feb 11 13:18:08 2006 From: fielding at gbiv.com (Roy T. Fielding) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:18:08 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] genunix wiki online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > Sara Dornsife has a branding programme proposal in preparation. Any > objections if I invite her to edit in the proposals for the > Branding/Logo section? No objection, but if it is the kind of thing that would change on a quarterly or yearly basis, then it should be a separate document linked to his one. The constitution should just contain the parts about governance (i.e., who makes the decisions, how they make them, and where they get money/people to implement them). ....Roy From webmink at sun.com Sat Feb 11 14:44:10 2006 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:44:10 -0500 Subject: [cab-discuss] genunix wiki online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97F3CE80-5497-4AA1-A85A-C798C5171A34@sun.com> On Feb 11, 2006, at 16:18, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> Sara Dornsife has a branding programme proposal in preparation. >> Any objections if I invite her to edit in the proposals for the >> Branding/Logo section? > > No objection, but if it is the kind of thing that would change on a > quarterly or yearly basis, then it should be a separate document > linked to his one. The constitution should just contain the parts > about governance (i.e., who makes the decisions, how they make them, > and where they get money/people to implement them). Agreed. The principles should go in the Constitution and the programme details in a separate document. S. From venky.tv at sun.com Sun Feb 12 18:16:41 2006 From: venky.tv at sun.com (Venky) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:46:41 +0530 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] genunix wiki online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060213021640.GA10587@india.sun.com> Okay, now we have two OpenSolaris wikis! http://opensolaris.wikicities.com Time to start consolidating? Venky. On Friday, Al wrote: > > Thanks to the hard work of our own Ben Rockwood, the wiki for OpenSolaris > related activity is available at: www.genunix.org/wiki/ > > One of the items slated for "development" on the wiki is the OpenSolaris > Governance document now known as the OpenSolaris Constitution. Leading > this effort will be the CAB/OGB along with our special appointees: Ben > Rockwood and Keith Wesolowski. > > Now jump in and participate.... :) > > Happy Friday! > > Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com > Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT > OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org From Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM Mon Feb 13 06:57:58 2006 From: Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM (Simon Phipps) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:57:58 +0000 Subject: [cab-discuss] OpenSolairs CAB views In-Reply-To: <43E8B903.9050501@Sun.COM> References: <43E8B903.9050501@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <3DEB6057-B39E-40A7-881F-ACB147C5D024@Sun.COM> Thanks for the snapshot. Personally I have no idea if your proposal is good or bad, and it's not the role of the CAB/OGB to be technical experts. It would be much better for you to identify a sub-community within OpenSolaris to share the process with you; that way people likely to be interested experts are more likely to support your efforts. I suggest you raise the subject on opensolaris-discuss. S. _____ Simon Phipps, Chair, OpenSolaris Governing Board Tel: +1 650 352 6327/USx69758 Web: www.webmink.net, AIM: webmink Current timezone: GMT/UTC (UK) On Feb 7, 2006, at 15:13, Damien Farnham wrote: > Hi, > > I've been asked by the Solaris PAC to let you see the Solaris > Performance criteria and the process that goes with that. > > I think the idea is to start a discussion as to what performance > criteria if any OpenSolaris would have and how that is controlled. > We are committed to providing performance testing facilities. > > Questions and comments welcome. > > Damien > > > _______________________________________________ > cab-discuss mailing list > cab-discuss at opensolaris.org From Damien.Farnham at Sun.COM Mon Feb 13 07:08:34 2006 From: Damien.Farnham at Sun.COM (Damien Farnham) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:08:34 +0000 Subject: [cab-discuss] OpenSolairs CAB views In-Reply-To: <3DEB6057-B39E-40A7-881F-ACB147C5D024@Sun.COM> References: <43E8B903.9050501@Sun.COM> <3DEB6057-B39E-40A7-881F-ACB147C5D024@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <43F0A0F2.80800@sun.com> Simon Phipps wrote: > Thanks for the snapshot. Personally I have no idea if your proposal is > good or bad, and it's not the role of the CAB/OGB to be technical > experts. It would be much better for you to identify a sub-community > within OpenSolaris to share the process with you; that way people > likely to be interested experts are more likely to support your > efforts. I suggest you raise the subject on opensolaris-discuss. I'll follow your advise. Thanks Damien > > S. > > _____ > Simon Phipps, Chair, OpenSolaris Governing Board > Tel: +1 650 352 6327/USx69758 Web: www.webmink.net, AIM: webmink > Current timezone: GMT/UTC (UK) > > > On Feb 7, 2006, at 15:13, Damien Farnham wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've been asked by the Solaris PAC to let you see the Solaris >> Performance criteria and the process that goes with that. >> >> I think the idea is to start a discussion as to what performance >> criteria if any OpenSolaris would have and how that is controlled. >> We are committed to providing performance testing facilities. >> >> Questions and comments welcome. >> >> Damien >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> cab-discuss mailing list >> cab-discuss at opensolaris.org > From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Mon Feb 13 18:31:44 2006 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:31:44 -0600 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: genunix wiki online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F14110.40809@Sun.COM> Al Hopper wrote: >Thanks to the hard work of our own Ben Rockwood, the wiki for OpenSolaris >related activity is available at: www.genunix.org/wiki/ > > > Thanks Ben and Al! All -- Just a friendly reminder. The good news, there's a lot of good content showing up. It'd be even better though if all the editors registered and identified themselves... Not bad though, we're at about 75%. Here's a cumulative summary of the edit record (according to the RSS feed data) in descending order: 18 By Benr 13 By Royfielding 12 By Alanc 11 By 82.152.179.174 2 By 209.157.66.2 2 By Webmink/Simon 1 By 192.18.1.9 1 By 67.164.6.248 1 By Darrenm 1 By Sommerfeld 1 By Ericb From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Feb 14 14:12:26 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:12:26 -0600 Subject: [cab-discuss] genunix wiki online In-Reply-To: <97F3CE80-5497-4AA1-A85A-C798C5171A34@sun.com> References: <97F3CE80-5497-4AA1-A85A-C798C5171A34@sun.com> Message-ID: <43F255CA.8080104@sun.com> Agreed. Am I on the schedule for tomorrow? I will need a #. I'll send something in advance. Sara Simon Phipps wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 16:18, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > >> On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> >>> Sara Dornsife has a branding programme proposal in preparation. Any >>> objections if I invite her to edit in the proposals for the >>> Branding/Logo section? >> >> >> No objection, but if it is the kind of thing that would change on a >> quarterly or yearly basis, then it should be a separate document >> linked to his one. The constitution should just contain the parts >> about governance (i.e., who makes the decisions, how they make them, >> and where they get money/people to implement them). > > > Agreed. The principles should go in the Constitution and the > programme details in a separate document. > > S. > From al at logical-approach.com Thu Feb 16 11:39:25 2006 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:39:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [tools-discuss] Distributed SCM status In-Reply-To: References: <20060208055227.GA346075@eng.sun.com> <20060216014558.GN121238@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Cyril Plisko wrote: > On 2/16/06, Stephen Hahn wrote: > > > > > > Stephen, the review for many SCM seems to be under way > > > if not done. What is the next step ? Will we have a poll/voting > > > or something ? How community is/gonna be involved in > > > making the choice ? Do we have a deadline on making the > > > SCM decision ? > > > > The model I was hoping to use was to look at the performance data and > > the requirements evaluations and knock off the least capable. I would > > then like to do a more detailed investigation of the remaining two or > > three. For instance, I would like to evaluate the costs of porting > > our webrev review and file history tools to each of the systems-- > > straightforward operations with TeamWare, less so in my experiments > > with Subversion... > > > > We are operating under an internal schedule, but making a solidly > > informed decision is the overriding intent. > > I thought the roadmap published on opensolaris.org site is the > timeframe. I a little bit worried about "internal" schedule. > That makes it sound like community isn't involved and I am > sure you didn't mean it. > I also think that while making an informed decision is important > it is not wise to delay decision making. The current situation > where project has no SCM is _bad_. I mean _really_ bad. > And ironically the only victim of this is the community itself. > All the Sun employees contributing to OpenSolaris just > do not feel the problem, since they are working with their > usual tools. As far as OpenSolaris community concern we > have to make decision quickly. It is possible that we will have > to revisit the decision at some point later, but any decision > is better then no decision at all. > > I just want to emphasize the fact the right now we are a huge > project without an SCM. The fact that the major project contributor > (Sun) is happy with its internal tool setup should not be considered > as a factor allowing us to delay decision making. > > Um, well, I feel like it may sound a bit aggressive, but the idea > was to bring attention to the fact that OpenSolaris _needs_ SCM > _now_. +1 The CAB has already identified this deficiency and fixing it has the highest priority for the project IMHO. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Feb 23 09:19:33 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:19:33 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] OGB Meeting Notes: Wed Feb 22 Message-ID: <43FDEEA5.50107@sun.com> Meeting notes from yesterday's OGB meeting: Jim --- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ OGB Meeting Notes: Wed Feb 22, 2006 OGB members present: Simon Phipps, Al Hopper, Rich Teer Governance working group members present: Keith Wesolowski, Ben Rockwood OGB correspondent: Jim Grisanzio * The OGB met to continue Constitution discussions. However, the OGB will not have regular weekly conference calls. Instead, the members prefer to work on list and on the Constitution wiki. All members have agreed that Wednesday's at noon pacific are to be kept open for potential meetings and any member can call a meeting to resolve issues. Documents posted to the wiki: * The draft Constitution: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Governance Editing of the Constitution will take place here. OpenSolaris community members are encouraged to review this document and comment on the OGB's list: cab-discuss at opensolaris.org * The approved OpenSolaris Charter: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Charter The Charter was posted on the wiki so that all the principles articulated in the document can be easily referenced. * A draft of the Constitutional Principles: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Constitutional_Principles This section outlines what the Charter has enabled the OGB to do. These items will be reflected and expanded in the Constitution. * A draft glossary: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Glossary This section will serve as a work space to define terms. The terms posted came from the development process documents published on OpenSolaris. The OGB will resolve any difference between the dev process docs and the Constitution. Additional items: * The OGB agreed to start the process with the Constitutional Principles, the Glossary, and the membership structure. Most of the meeting consisted of discussion around defining and understanding terms that will be expanded in the Constitution. * Specific issues of OpenSolaris membership were discussed. The OpenSolaris community will be "contributor-based and member-led." The Apache definition of Member was considered and discussed in the context of the current definitions of an OpenSolaris member, contributor, and core contributor. * It was agreed that Communities are the right level for governance and that communities should endorse Projects. Potentially, members of communities could make up the meta-OpenSolaris community membership that has voting rights. * It was agreed that the barrier to entry for Projects should be as low as possible. * How to handle membership status when moves between communities and projects occur was discussed and needs to be addressed further. * Other issues discussed: leadership within communities; types of peer recognition; commit privileges; the importance of engaging non-Sun contributors; distinctions between Sun corporate and the OpenSolaris engineering community and who makes development decisions (the engineers do); the notion that no single person controls decisions but that groups of people collaborate on decision-making processes; the eventual movement of some of the current Communities to have Project status.