From Michael.Ditto at Sun.COM  Wed Jan  4 12:31:03 2006
From: Michael.Ditto at Sun.COM (Mike Ditto)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:31:03 PST
Subject: [cab-discuss] project creation
Message-ID: <20097693.1136406725602.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>

I've been pointed to <a href="https://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4267">this message</a> as the only posted discussion of how projects will be proposed and created.  Has the process been completely defined?  What should I do to request the creation of a project, other than propose it as I've done <a href="https://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4276">here</a> on opensolaris-discuss.


From sch at eng.sun.com  Wed Jan  4 14:23:36 2006
From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:23:36 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] project creation
In-Reply-To: <20097693.1136406725602.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
References: <20097693.1136406725602.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
Message-ID: <20060104222336.GB261771@eng.sun.com>

* Mike Ditto <Michael.Ditto at Sun.COM> [2006-01-04 12:32]:
> I've been pointed to <a
> href="https://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4267">this
> message</a> as the only posted discussion of how projects will be
> proposed and created.  Has the process been completely defined?  What
> should I do to request the creation of a project, other than propose
> it as I've done <a
> href="https://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4276">here</a>
> on opensolaris-discuss.

  (I am actually writing mail to you in another window to ask for the
  details to create your project.)

-- 
Stephen Hahn, PhD  Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems
stephen.hahn at sun.com  http://blogs.sun.com/sch/


From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM  Thu Jan  5 14:50:48 2006
From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:50:48 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Jan 4, 2006
Message-ID: <43BDA2C8.6050404@sun.com>

Below are notes from the CAB meeting yesterday.

Jim
---
Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris
http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/



CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Jan 4, 2006

CAB Members:
Simon Phipps (Chair), Al Hopper, Rich Teer, Roy Fielding, Casper Dik.

OpenSolaris Tech Lead: Stephen Hahn | CAB correspondent: Jim Grisanzio

The CAB primarily discussed two issues:

(1) restarting the Charter discussions
(2) mapping out a strategy for Governance development

Charter:

* The CAB reviewed the history and circumstances of its creation, how 
things have evolved over the last few months -- such as changes in Sun 
management and engineering leadership -- and where to go from here.

* The thought was expressed that the CAB should have been given a more 
clear mandate with well articulated terms of reference initially and 
that that omission was an error. All agreed.

* Although there has been confusion regarding the CAB's and Sun's role 
in the creation of the OpenSolaris Charter, the cab-discuss list does, 
in fact, contain a body of work that can be updated and leveraged to 
complete the Charter and eventually the Governance.

* CAB members outlined what they would like to see within a Charter 
document, including: the philosophy (statement of purpose) of the 
OpenSolaris community, a clear definition of the board's scope, specific 
exclusions to that scope, and a mechanism of changing the Charter 
itself. Initial exclusions to the board's scope include: ownership of 
copyright, branding issues, legal issues, and financial matters. All 
agreed that the document should be short and substantive.

* The CAB asked Stephen Hahn to work with Al Hopper to bring the Charter 
document to fruition. They also agreed that Stephen and Al would work 
from the last draft posted to cab-discuss: 
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4272&tstart=0
Al and Stephen will report back to the CAB in two weeks (on 1/18), and 
then the CAB will address any final issues at that point. The CAB would 
like the Charter approved by Feb 1.

Governance:

* Governance discussions will be initiated immediately after the Charter 
is agreed upon and approved. The current governance draft is posted at:
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=5376#5376

* The suggestion was offered that Governance document editing needs to 
occur by using a collaborative authoring tool. The CAB has asked Al 
Hopper to explore this issue and implement such a tool on genunix.org. 
All agreed.

* The CAB will also form a Governance Working Group to assist with the 
updating and finalization of the Governance draft. That working group 
will include all the the members of the CAB, as well as additional 
community members. The CAB has invited Ben Rockwood and Keith Wesolowski 
to participate on the working group, and both have agreed.

Next CAB Meeting: Wed Jan 18 at noon pacific.

-- end --






From al at logical-approach.com  Thu Jan  5 15:27:50 2006
From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:27:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Jan 4, 2006
In-Reply-To: <43BDA2C8.6050404@sun.com>
References: <43BDA2C8.6050404@sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0601051726150.5355@logical.logical-approach.com>

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Jim Grisanzio wrote:

> Below are notes from the CAB meeting yesterday.
>
> Jim
> ---
> Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris
> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/
>
>
>
> CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Jan 4, 2006
>
> CAB Members:
> Simon Phipps (Chair), Al Hopper, Rich Teer, Roy Fielding, Casper Dik.
>
> OpenSolaris Tech Lead: Stephen Hahn | CAB correspondent: Jim Grisanzio
>
> The CAB primarily discussed two issues:
>
> (1) restarting the Charter discussions
> (2) mapping out a strategy for Governance development
>
> Charter:
>
> * The CAB reviewed the history and circumstances of its creation, how
> things have evolved over the last few months -- such as changes in Sun
> management and engineering leadership -- and where to go from here.
>
> * The thought was expressed that the CAB should have been given a more
> clear mandate with well articulated terms of reference initially and
> that that omission was an error. All agreed.
>
> * Although there has been confusion regarding the CAB's and Sun's role
> in the creation of the OpenSolaris Charter, the cab-discuss list does,
> in fact, contain a body of work that can be updated and leveraged to
> complete the Charter and eventually the Governance.
>
> * CAB members outlined what they would like to see within a Charter
> document, including: the philosophy (statement of purpose) of the
> OpenSolaris community, a clear definition of the board's scope, specific
> exclusions to that scope, and a mechanism of changing the Charter
> itself. Initial exclusions to the board's scope include: ownership of
> copyright, branding issues, legal issues, and financial matters. All
> agreed that the document should be short and substantive.
>
> * The CAB asked Stephen Hahn to work with Al Hopper to bring the Charter
> document to fruition. They also agreed that Stephen and Al would work
> from the last draft posted to cab-discuss:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4272&tstart=0
> Al and Stephen will report back to the CAB in two weeks (on 1/18), and
> then the CAB will address any final issues at that point. The CAB would
> like the Charter approved by Feb 1.
>
> Governance:
>
> * Governance discussions will be initiated immediately after the Charter
> is agreed upon and approved. The current governance draft is posted at:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=5376#5376
>
> * The suggestion was offered that Governance document editing needs to
> occur by using a collaborative authoring tool. The CAB has asked Al
> Hopper to explore this issue and implement such a tool on genunix.org.
> All agreed.
>
> * The CAB will also form a Governance Working Group to assist with the
> updating and finalization of the Governance draft. That working group
> will include all the the members of the CAB, as well as additional
> community members. The CAB has invited Ben Rockwood and Keith Wesolowski
> to participate on the working group, and both have agreed.
>
> Next CAB Meeting: Wed Jan 18 at noon pacific.

Jim,

Missing is the 10 minute discussion re: a distributed revision control
system.  Can you include the meat of the discussion in the notes please?

Regards,

Al Hopper  Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX.  al at logical-approach.com
           Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134  Timezone: US CDT
OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005


From Michael.Hunter at Sun.COM  Mon Jan  9 14:23:39 2006
From: Michael.Hunter at Sun.COM (Michael Hunter)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:23:39 PST
Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: Community proposals in the face of project support
In-Reply-To: <20051213232741.GB177790@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <6482485.1136845470441.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>

We have a proposal for a SIP project in the network-discussion ML and a second.  Who do I talk to in order to get this project created?  I saw Mike Ditto's posting but it wasn't clear if I should just send email to sch or not...

                                 mph


From sch at eng.sun.com  Mon Jan  9 14:32:35 2006
From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:32:35 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: Community proposals in the face of project
	support
In-Reply-To: <6482485.1136845470441.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
References: <20051213232741.GB177790@eng.sun.com>
	<6482485.1136845470441.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
Message-ID: <20060109223235.GB288301@eng.sun.com>

* Michael Hunter <Michael.Hunter at Sun.COM> [2006-01-09 14:24]:
> We have a proposal for a SIP project in the network-discussion ML and
> a second.  Who do I talk to in order to get this project created?  I
> saw Mike Ditto's posting but it wasn't clear if I should just send
> email to sch or not...

  Just forward your mail (and seconds) to opensolaris-discuss.  That's
  where we're watching for community and project proposals, although my
  original message didn't specify that...

  Cheers
  Stephen
  
-- 
Stephen Hahn, PhD  Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems
stephen.hahn at sun.com  http://blogs.sun.com/sch/


From al at logical-approach.com  Tue Jan 10 06:52:26 2006
From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:52:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: Community proposals in the face of project
	support
In-Reply-To: <20060109223235.GB288301@eng.sun.com>
References: <20051213232741.GB177790@eng.sun.com>
	<6482485.1136845470441.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<20060109223235.GB288301@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0601100849220.5355@logical.logical-approach.com>

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Stephen Hahn wrote:

> * Michael Hunter <Michael.Hunter at Sun.COM> [2006-01-09 14:24]:
> > We have a proposal for a SIP project in the network-discussion ML and
> > a second.  Who do I talk to in order to get this project created?  I
> > saw Mike Ditto's posting but it wasn't clear if I should just send
> > email to sch or not...
>
>   Just forward your mail (and seconds) to opensolaris-discuss.  That's
>   where we're watching for community and project proposals, although my
>   original message didn't specify that...

Sorry Michael - I did'nt see your original proposal and just recently
subscribed to network-discuss.  It's difficult to keep up will all the
OpenSolaris related mailing lists.

When you push the proposal to opensolaris-discuss, please CC me so I don't
have any excuses!

Regards,

Al Hopper  Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX.  al at logical-approach.com
           Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134  Timezone: US CDT
OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005


From Michael.Ditto at Sun.COM  Tue Jan 10 18:37:16 2006
From: Michael.Ditto at Sun.COM (Mike Ditto)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:37:16 PST
Subject: [cab-discuss] Re:  project creation
In-Reply-To: <20060104222336.GB261771@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <6030971.1136947066842.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>

Thanks for setting it up, Stephen (and Eric), our project is online now!


From al at logical-approach.com  Tue Jan 17 14:09:06 2006
From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:09:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [cab-discuss] Charter next version
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0601171602090.26765@logical.logical-approach.com>


Below is the next version of the Charter as the result of collaboration
between Stephen Hahn and I.  Kudos to Stephen for doing most of the hard
work!

Jim - Can we schedule another CAB conf. call for tomorrow, as per the
schedule defined 2 weeks ago, to discuss this release and define any
changes before we present it for wider community review.

Al Hopper  Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX.  al at logical-approach.com
           Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134  Timezone: US CDT
OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:44:25 -0800
From: Stephen Hahn <sch at eng.sun.com>
Reply-To: Stephen Hahn <stephen.hahn at sun.com>
To: al.hopper at logical-approach.com
Subject: [CHARTER] Phone call version


   Included below.

   - Stephen

---

The OpenSolaris Charter
ident	"%Z%%M%	%I%	%E% SMI"

0. Whereby Sun Microsystems, Inc. (Sun) has granted universal license
to a certain subset of its Solaris Operating System, known henceforth
as OpenSolaris, under terms compatible with Open Source ideals, and
whereby open and constructive development and dissemination of this
code base is desired by all, Sun does by the execution of this charter
all of the following: First, establish an OpenSolaris Governing Board
(OGB) to manage and direct the OpenSolaris community in its efforts to
improve upon and advocate in favor of OpenSolaris, such that the
community may endure well into the future.  Second, grant to the OGB
certain powers and rights as are necessary to discharge its duties.
Third, assign to the OGB a suitable initial membership.  Last, establish
a time at which this initial OGB shall have discharged its
responsibilities and ceded to its successor the powers and rights
granted herein.

1. The OGB shall be comprised of natural persons of number and nature
to be defined by the Constitution, but in no event shall they be fewer
than three in number at any time.  The Board shall be selected and
shall conduct its affairs in accordance with democratic principles and
shall represent the interests of the OpenSolaris community as defined
in the broadest manner.

2. The OGB shall construct and maintain a Constitution defining all
of the following:

2.1. A process by which the Constitution may be amended from time to
time.

2.2. A method, which shall be consistent with the requirements of this
Charter, for determining the OGB's membership.

2.3. The roles recognized within the community.

2.4. The rights and responsibilities associated with each role.

2.5. The intended relationship between the OGB and Sun.

2.6. Methods and processes by which disputes and disagreements among
OpenSolaris community members might be resolved in a fair and just
manner.  OpenSolaris community members are to receive equal treatment
during the resolution of a dispute or disagreement, without reference to
any personal attribute or affiliation.

2.7. Regulations applicable to the OpenSolaris community as it finds
beneficial to its development and growth.

2.8. The establishment and operation of, and delegation of
appropriate powers and rights to, any associate governing bodies which
it shall deem appropriate to the execution of any part of the
Constitution or this Charter.  In all cases, disputes not resolvable
within those delegated bodies may be appealed to the OGB.

3. The OGB shall define and implement a process for its ratification
of the Constitution, in a manner consistent with democratic
principles.  This process shall at a minimum involve members of the
OpenSolaris community in addition to the membership of the OGB.

4. The Constitution shall be operable when ratified by both the OGB
and Sun.

5. The OGB shall be the supreme and final arbiter of all matters
pertaining to the OpenSolaris Constitution.

6. The OGB may seek funding for its activities and for those of any
associate governing bodies, and shall manage and dispose of
responsibly any funds so acquired.

7. All powers and rights are granted to the OGB which are required
by the execution of this Charter or the properly ratified Constitution
and which are not inconsistent with applicable law or regulation.
With respect to legal and financial issues concerning OpenSolaris, Sun
retains all appropriate authority.

8. All members of the Community Advisory Board (CAB) shall be initial
members of the OGB.  The initial OGB may select additional initial
members as it may require to discharge its duties.

9. No initial OGB member may retain his or her membership beyond 1
April 2006, or after such time as the first OGB members selected in
accordance with the terms of a properly ratified Constitution take
office, whichever occurs first.  However, if an initial member shall
be so selected, he or she may serve as he or she otherwise would.

10. Notwithstanding any part of provisions 8 and 9, the CAB and the
initial OGB shall be dissolved on 1 April 2006.

11. If the initial OGB shall be dissolved before a Constitution is
properly ratified, Sun shall appoint a new set of initial OGB members
in any manner it shall deem appropriate, and the terms of this Charter
shall be applied to those replacement members with the following
exceptions:

11.1. Provision 8 shall be inoperable.

11.2. Provision 9 shall be altered such that the termination date
shall be extended by 6 months.

11.3. Provision 10 shall be altered such the the reference to the CAB
is removed and the dissolution date shall be extended by 6 months.

12. This Charter may be amended if both the OGB and Sun agree.  If an
agreement on amendment cannot be reached, or if the OGB fails to approve
an amended Charter, the previous version of the Charter remains in
force.

12.1. To request that the Charter be amended, the OGB must affirm a motion
by a supermajority vote consisting of at least two-thirds of the current
members.

12.2. To approve an amendment to the Charter, the OGB must affirm a
motion by a majority vote.

12.3. Notwithstanding any part of provisions 12, 12.1, or 12.2, the
initial OGB shall have no power to alter any provision of this Charter.


-- 
Stephen Hahn, PhD  Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems
stephen.hahn at sun.com  http://blogs.sun.com/sch/


From Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM  Wed Jan 18 09:52:20 2006
From: Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM (Simon Phipps)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:52:20 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] Charter next version
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0601171602090.26765@logical.logical-approach.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0601171602090.26765@logical.logical-approach.com>
Message-ID: <63F21166-E2C8-4E9F-BF2F-050CF66FD7AC@Sun.COM>


On Jan 17, 2006, at 14:09, Al Hopper wrote:

>
> Below is the next version of the Charter as the result of  
> collaboration
> between Stephen Hahn and I.  Kudos to Stephen for doing most of the  
> hard
> work!
>

Great work, thank-you both. Some initial comments below. Can we run  
this past David Marr and Chris Nadan soon please?


> Jim - Can we schedule another CAB conf. call for tomorrow, as per the
> schedule defined 2 weeks ago, to discuss this release and define any
> changes before we present it for wider community review.
>
> Al Hopper  Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX.  al at logical-approach.com
>            Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134  Timezone: US CDT
> OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:44:25 -0800
> From: Stephen Hahn <sch at eng.sun.com>
> Reply-To: Stephen Hahn <stephen.hahn at sun.com>
> To: al.hopper at logical-approach.com
> Subject: [CHARTER] Phone call version
>
>
>    Included below.
>
>    - Stephen
>
> ---
>
> The OpenSolaris Charter
> ident	"%Z%%M%	%I%	%E% SMI"
>
> 0. Whereby Sun Microsystems, Inc. (Sun) has granted universal license
> to a certain subset of its Solaris Operating System, known henceforth
> as OpenSolaris, under terms compatible with Open Source ideals, and
> whereby open and constructive development and dissemination of this
> code base is desired by all, Sun does by the execution of this charter
> all of the following: First, establish an OpenSolaris Governing Board
> (OGB) to manage and direct the OpenSolaris community in its efforts to

"an OpenSoalris Community"  - it too is constituted by this charter

> improve upon and advocate in favor of OpenSolaris, such that the
> community may endure well into the future.  Second, grant to the OGB
> certain powers and rights as are necessary to discharge its duties.
> Third, assign to the OGB a suitable initial membership.  Last,  
> establish
> a time at which this initial OGB shall have discharged its
> responsibilities and ceded to its successor the powers and rights
> granted herein.
>
> 1. The OGB shall be comprised of natural persons of number and nature
> to be defined by the Constitution, but in no event shall they be fewer
> than three in number at any time.  The Board shall be selected and

What happens if there are less than three? Does Sun get to nominate  
replacements?

> shall conduct its affairs in accordance with democratic principles and
> shall represent the interests of the OpenSolaris community as defined
> in the broadest manner.
>
> 2. The OGB shall construct and maintain a Constitution defining all
> of the following:
>
> 2.1. A process by which the Constitution may be amended from time to
> time.
>
> 2.2. A method, which shall be consistent with the requirements of this
> Charter, for determining the OGB's membership.
>
> 2.3. The roles recognized within the community.
>
> 2.4. The rights and responsibilities associated with each role.
>
> 2.5. The intended relationship between the OGB and Sun.
>
> 2.6. Methods and processes by which disputes and disagreements among
> OpenSolaris community members might be resolved in a fair and just
> manner.  OpenSolaris community members are to receive equal treatment
> during the resolution of a dispute or disagreement, without  
> reference to
> any personal attribute or affiliation.
>
> 2.7. Regulations applicable to the OpenSolaris community as it finds
> beneficial to its development and growth.
>
> 2.8. The establishment and operation of, and delegation of
> appropriate powers and rights to, any associate governing bodies which
> it shall deem appropriate to the execution of any part of the
> Constitution or this Charter.  In all cases, disputes not resolvable
> within those delegated bodies may be appealed to the OGB.
>
> 3. The OGB shall define and implement a process for its ratification
> of the Constitution, in a manner consistent with democratic
> principles.  This process shall at a minimum involve members of the
> OpenSolaris community in addition to the membership of the OGB.
>
> 4. The Constitution shall be operable when ratified by both the OGB
> and Sun.

"initial constitution"  ?

>
> 5. The OGB shall be the supreme and final arbiter of all matters
> pertaining to the OpenSolaris Constitution.
>
> 6. The OGB may seek funding for its activities and for those of any
> associate governing bodies, and shall manage and dispose of
> responsibly any funds so acquired.

Does this imply the creation of a legal entity?

>
> 7. All powers and rights are granted to the OGB which are required
> by the execution of this Charter or the properly ratified Constitution
> and which are not inconsistent with applicable law or regulation.
> With respect to legal and financial issues concerning OpenSolaris, Sun
> retains all appropriate authority.
>
> 8. All members of the Community Advisory Board (CAB) shall be initial
> members of the OGB.  The initial OGB may select additional initial
> members as it may require to discharge its duties.
>
> 9. No initial OGB member may retain his or her membership beyond 1
> April 2006, or after such time as the first OGB members selected in
> accordance with the terms of a properly ratified Constitution take
> office, whichever occurs first.  However, if an initial member shall
> be so selected, he or she may serve as he or she otherwise would.
>
> 10. Notwithstanding any part of provisions 8 and 9, the CAB and the
> initial OGB shall be dissolved on 1 April 2006.
>
> 11. If the initial OGB shall be dissolved before a Constitution is
> properly ratified, Sun shall appoint a new set of initial OGB members
> in any manner it shall deem appropriate, and the terms of this Charter
> shall be applied to those replacement members with the following
> exceptions:
>
> 11.1. Provision 8 shall be inoperable.
>
> 11.2. Provision 9 shall be altered such that the termination date
> shall be extended by 6 months.
>
> 11.3. Provision 10 shall be altered such the the reference to the CAB
> is removed and the dissolution date shall be extended by 6 months.
>
> 12. This Charter may be amended if both the OGB and Sun agree.  If an
> agreement on amendment cannot be reached, or if the OGB fails to  
> approve
> an amended Charter, the previous version of the Charter remains in
> force.
>
> 12.1. To request that the Charter be amended, the OGB must affirm a  
> motion
> by a supermajority vote consisting of at least two-thirds of the  
> current
> members.
>
> 12.2. To approve an amendment to the Charter, the OGB must affirm a
> motion by a majority vote.
>
> 12.3. Notwithstanding any part of provisions 12, 12.1, or 12.2, the
> initial OGB shall have no power to alter any provision of this  
> Charter.
>
>
> -- 
> Stephen Hahn, PhD  Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems
> stephen.hahn at sun.com  http://blogs.sun.com/sch/
> _______________________________________________
> cab-discuss mailing list
> cab-discuss at opensolaris.org



From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM  Wed Jan 18 17:05:55 2006
From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:05:55 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Jan 18, 2006
Message-ID: <43CEE5F3.2010003@sun.com>

Below are notes from the CAB meeting this afternoon.

Jim
---
Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris
http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/



CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Jan 18, 2006

CAB Members Present: Simon Phipps (Chair), Al Hopper, Rich Teer,
Casper Dik. Not present: Roy Fielding

OpenSolaris Tech Lead: Stephen Hahn | CAB correspondent: Jim Grisanzio

Overview: The CAB met with the OpenSolaris tech lead to discuss the 
latest version of the OpenSolaris Charter. All agreed to a series of 
changes, and there were no major disagreements. An updated version of 
the Charter reflecting the changes will be published on this list for 
community comment.


Charter Approval Process

* The Charter -- which is Sun's granting of certain powers to the 
OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) and the OpenSolaris Community -- has 
been openly discussed and developed for months on the OpenSolaris forums.

* At this point, the CAB and the OpenSolaris tech lead agree on language 
for a final draft of the OpenSolaris Charter, which will be published on 
this CAB list by tomorrow.

* That draft -- just as the previous drafts -- will be open for comment.

* The OpenSolaris Community will be alerted to the existence of the 
document via a mail to the opensolaris-discuss list from a CAB member, 
and the community will be invited to comment.

* The Charter will be open for comment and conversation for one week on 
the CAB's list.

* The CAB will meet on Wed Jan 25 to discuss community feedback and make 
any final changes before formal approval.

* Pending Sun legal review, the Charter will be approved by the CAB and 
Sun executive engineering management by Jan 31.


Specific issues discussed on today's call:

* Section 0: The Charter should articulate the creation of the OGB as 
well as an OpenSolaris Community, not simply the creation of the OGB. 
This will be clarified.

* Section 1: New language will be written to address the situation of 
the OGB possibly falling below three members. The suggestion was made to 
use the next in line from the previous election or to call for a new 
election.

* Sections 6 & 7: The suggestion was made to reverse the order of these 
sections and have 6 refer to 7. Also, the language regarding funding in
Section 6 will be revised because the OGB may not be able to raise and 
manage funds without being a legal entity. Sun legal will be consulted 
on this. The suggestion was made that the OGB could potentially handle 
funds on behalf of Sun if any funds are made available.

* Sections 9 & 10: The issue of the date of April 1, 2006 as a deadline 
for the Constitution and the current CAB membership was discussed. All 
agreed to keep that date in place and not push it back. Also the 
language in Section 9 may be confusing to some and may be revised 
slightly for clarity.

* Additional items: Some discussion around contributors and how to 
measure membership participation for upcoming elections. This will be 
part of the upcoming Constitution conversations in February.


Action Items

* The CAB needs to decide if it wants to use the single transferable 
vote system for OGB elections, so the OpenSolaris tech lead can 
implement that functionality on the website. Consideration will have to 
be given for a second approval system to ratify the Constitution.

-- end --




From sch at eng.sun.com  Wed Jan 18 22:56:18 2006
From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:56:18 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] Review version of charter
Message-ID: <20060119065618.GA332109@eng.sun.com>


  This version of the charter contains the edits I noted during the
  meeting.  I have left the wording in Section 9 alone in the current
  draft.

  - Stephen

---
The OpenSolaris Charter
ident	"@(#)charter.txt	1.10	06/01/18 SMI"

0. Whereby Sun Microsystems, Inc. (Sun) has granted universal license
to a certain subset of its Solaris Operating System, known henceforth
as OpenSolaris, under terms compatible with Open Source ideals, and
whereby open and constructive development and dissemination of this
code base is desired by all, Sun does by the execution of this charter
all of the following: First, establish an OpenSolaris Governing Board
(OGB) to manage and direct an OpenSolaris community in its efforts to
improve upon and advocate in favor of OpenSolaris, such that the
community may endure well into the future.  Second, grant to the OGB
certain powers and rights as are necessary to discharge its duties.
Third, assign to the OGB a suitable initial membership.  Last, establish
a time at which this initial OGB shall have discharged its
responsibilities and ceded to its successor the powers and rights
granted herein.

1. The OGB shall be comprised of natural persons of number and nature
to be defined by the Constitution, but in no event shall they be fewer
than three in number at any time.  The Board shall be selected and
shall conduct its affairs in accordance with democratic principles and
shall represent the interests of the OpenSolaris community as defined
in the broadest manner.

1.1. In the event that the OGB composition is found to be fewer than
three persons in number, the candidate or candidates from the previous
selection with the next highest ranking by ballot shall be appointed to
the Board.  If insufficient candidates remain, the Board is expected to
initiate a new selection at the earliest possible date.

2. The OGB shall construct and maintain a Constitution defining all
of the following:

2.1. A process by which the Constitution may be amended from time to
time.

2.2. A method, which shall be consistent with the requirements of this
Charter, for determining the OGB's membership.

2.3. The roles recognized within the community.

2.4. The rights and responsibilities associated with each role.

2.5. The intended relationship between the OGB and Sun.

2.6. Methods and processes by which disputes and disagreements among
OpenSolaris community members might be resolved in a fair and just
manner.  OpenSolaris community members are to receive equal treatment
during the resolution of a dispute or disagreement, without reference to
any personal attribute or affiliation.  

2.7. Regulations applicable to the OpenSolaris community as it finds
beneficial to its development and growth.

2.8. The establishment and operation of, and delegation of
appropriate powers and rights to, any associate governing bodies which
it shall deem appropriate to the execution of any part of the
Constitution or this Charter.  In all cases, disputes not resolvable
within those delegated bodies may be appealed to the OGB.

3. The OGB shall define and implement a process for its ratification
of the Constitution, in a manner consistent with democratic
principles.  This process shall at a minimum involve members of the
OpenSolaris community in addition to the membership of the OGB.

4. The initial Constitution shall be operable when ratified by both the
OGB and Sun.

5. The OGB shall be the supreme and final arbiter of all matters
pertaining to the OpenSolaris Constitution.

6. All powers and rights are granted to the OGB which are required
by the execution of this Charter or the properly ratified Constitution
and which are not inconsistent with applicable law or regulation.
With respect to legal and financial issues concerning OpenSolaris, Sun
retains all appropriate authority.

7. The OGB may seek funding for its activities and for those of any
associate governing bodies, and shall manage and dispose of
responsibly any funds so acquired, subject to the restrictions
associated with Provision 6.

8. All members of the Community Advisory Board (CAB) shall be initial
members of the OGB.  The initial OGB may select additional initial
members as it may require to discharge its duties.

9. No initial OGB member may retain his or her membership beyond 1
April 2006, or after such time as the first OGB members selected in
accordance with the terms of a properly ratified Constitution take
office, whichever occurs first.  However, if an initial member shall
be so selected, he or she may serve as he or she otherwise would.

10. Notwithstanding any part of provisions 8 and 9, the CAB and the
initial OGB shall be dissolved on 1 April 2006.

11. If the initial OGB shall be dissolved before an initial Constitution
is properly ratified, Sun shall appoint a new set of initial OGB members
in any manner it shall deem appropriate, and the terms of this Charter
shall be applied to those replacement members with the following
exceptions:

11.1. Provision 8 shall be inoperable.

11.2. Provision 9 shall be altered such that the termination date
shall be extended by 6 months.

11.3. Provision 10 shall be altered such the the reference to the CAB
is removed and the dissolution date shall be extended by 6 months.

12. This Charter may be amended if both the OGB and Sun agree.  If an
agreement on amendment cannot be reached, or if the OGB fails to approve
an amended Charter, the previous version of the Charter remains in
force.

12.1. To request that the Charter be amended, the OGB must affirm a motion
by a supermajority vote consisting of at least two-thirds of the current
members.

12.2. To approve an amendment to the Charter, the OGB must affirm a
motion by a majority vote. 
     
12.3. Notwithstanding any part of provisions 12, 12.1, or 12.2, the
initial OGB shall have no power to alter any provision of this Charter.


-- 
Stephen Hahn, PhD  Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems
stephen.hahn at sun.com  http://blogs.sun.com/sch/


From keith.wesolowski at sun.com  Thu Jan 19 09:31:17 2006
From: keith.wesolowski at sun.com (Keith M Wesolowski)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:31:17 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] Review version of charter
In-Reply-To: <20060119065618.GA332109@eng.sun.com>
References: <20060119065618.GA332109@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20060119173116.GA5339@sun.com>

On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:56:18PM -0800, Stephen Hahn wrote:

> 1.1. In the event that the OGB composition is found to be fewer than
> three persons in number, the candidate or candidates from the previous
> selection with the next highest ranking by ballot shall be appointed to
> the Board.  If insufficient candidates remain, the Board is expected to
> initiate a new selection at the earliest possible date.

What was the rationale for placing this in the charter?  The original
language effectively places a requirement on the Constitution; it's
for the latter document to implement a mechanism ensuring that the OGB
remains of a composition that satisfies the charter requirements.  If
that wasn't clear, a new subsection should instead be added under 2
clarifying this.

What might belong here, though, is something to address an Initial OGB
that for whatever reason is reduced to fewer than 3 members.

> 6. All powers and rights are granted to the OGB which are required
> by the execution of this Charter or the properly ratified Constitution
> and which are not inconsistent with applicable law or regulation.
> With respect to legal and financial issues concerning OpenSolaris, Sun
> retains all appropriate authority.
> 
> 7. The OGB may seek funding for its activities and for those of any
> associate governing bodies, and shall manage and dispose of
> responsibly any funds so acquired, subject to the restrictions
> associated with Provision 6.

The main point of the original deliberately vague language was that
Sun is NOT to be the sole source of funding (nor is Sun offering or
guaranteeing the provision of any funds whatsoever, now or in the
future) for the OGB, should it decide to seek funds.  Nothing I can
see prevents the OGB from becoming a legal entity *not financially
affiliated with Sun and with no initial assets* if it decides it needs
to do that to secure funding.  That said, the intent of (7) was not
and is not to encourage or force the OGB to become a legal entity.

What is the connection between (6) and (7)?  If anything, they now
seem to conflict.  (6) says "You can do whatever you need to do to
implement this, but you can't break the law and you don't control any
of Sun's money or property."  (7) says "If you think you need money to
do some of this, you're welcome to ask anyone you think will listen.
If you convince someone to give you money, you must manage it
responsibly and use it for the purposes described here."  The
implication that (7) is somehow restricted by (6) is that Sun and the
OGB are the same entity (both legally and conceptually) and that they
share a pool of money which the OGB may not use unless Sun gives
permission.  That was absolutely not the intent of the original
language, which if anything was to dissociate Sun from the OGB and
encourage the latter to seek broad-based funding for its initiatives.
The OGB is a committee of individuals, not a subsidiary or working
group of Sun and not (as defined here) a legal entity in its own
right.  Just as the TreeHouse Club can ask Johnny's mom for $2 for ice
cream or hold a baseball card sale to raise money for a crucial rope
ladder repair, so too can the OGB seek funding without being a legal
entity.  If becoming a 403(c) entity is deemed a practical
requirement, the OGB is free to pursue it, but that's not the intent
of (7) as originally written.

-- 
Keith M Wesolowski		"Sir, we're surrounded!" 
Solaris Kernel Team		"Excellent; we can attack in any direction!" 


From rich.teer at rite-group.com  Thu Jan 19 09:44:18 2006
From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:44:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [cab-discuss] Final draft of the OpenSolaris Charter available for
	review
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.64.0601190944000.531@marrakesh>

Hi all,

The final draft (subject to comments from the community and Sun
legal) of the OpenSolaris Charter is now available on the CAB
discuss mailing list:

	http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=5230&tstart=0

The deadline for comments is 10:00 PST, Wednesday January 25th,
and the intent is to have it ratified by Feburary 1st.  Comments
from all are welcome; speak now or forever hold your peace!

Cheers,

-- 
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member

President,
Rite Online Inc.

Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich


From webmink at sun.com  Thu Jan 19 12:56:10 2006
From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:56:10 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] Review version of charter
In-Reply-To: <20060119173116.GA5339@sun.com>
References: <20060119065618.GA332109@eng.sun.com>
	<20060119173116.GA5339@sun.com>
Message-ID: <B96D8C96-A347-4267-A72C-3C069AE43F28@sun.com>


On Jan 19, 2006, at 09:31, Keith M Wesolowski wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:56:18PM -0800, Stephen Hahn wrote:
>
>> 1.1. In the event that the OGB composition is found to be fewer than
>> three persons in number, the candidate or candidates from the  
>> previous
>> selection with the next highest ranking by ballot shall be  
>> appointed to
>> the Board.  If insufficient candidates remain, the Board is  
>> expected to
>> initiate a new selection at the earliest possible date.
>
> What was the rationale for placing this in the charter?  The original
> language effectively places a requirement on the Constitution; it's
> for the latter document to implement a mechanism ensuring that the OGB
> remains of a composition that satisfies the charter requirements.  If
> that wasn't clear, a new subsection should instead be added under 2
> clarifying this.
>
> What might belong here, though, is something to address an Initial OGB
> that for whatever reason is reduced to fewer than 3 members.

The wording is not what I intended in our discussion. The rationale  
is that Sun is chartering the OGB but wants it to remain democratic.  
In the event that the body breaks down, Sun would want to ensure that  
there was a provision in place regardless of the status of the  
Constitution or of elections. The idea I suggested was that the  
wording would provide a description of what would happen pending the  
reconstruction of the OGB under the rules in the Constitution. If the  
Constitution provides immediate replacements that's all well and good.

Thus I suggest:

In the event that the OGB composition is found to be fewer than
three persons in number, the candidate or candidates from the previous
selection with the next highest ranking by ballot shall be appointed to
the Board. In the event there are no such candidates, Sun may appoint  
two
new members at its sole discretion. OGB members appointed under this
procedure shall be replaced at the first possible opportunity with  
members
determined by the process defined in the Constitution.


S.




From al at logical-approach.com  Fri Jan 20 04:33:37 2006
From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:33:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [cab-discuss] Review version of charter
In-Reply-To: <20060119173116.GA5339@sun.com>
References: <20060119065618.GA332109@eng.sun.com>
	<20060119173116.GA5339@sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0601200621430.11750@logical.logical-approach.com>

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Keith M Wesolowski wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:56:18PM -0800, Stephen Hahn wrote:
>
> > 1.1. In the event that the OGB composition is found to be fewer than
> > three persons in number, the candidate or candidates from the previous
> > selection with the next highest ranking by ballot shall be appointed to
> > the Board.  If insufficient candidates remain, the Board is expected to
> > initiate a new selection at the earliest possible date.
>
> What was the rationale for placing this in the charter?  The original
> language effectively places a requirement on the Constitution; it's
> for the latter document to implement a mechanism ensuring that the OGB
> remains of a composition that satisfies the charter requirements.  If
> that wasn't clear, a new subsection should instead be added under 2
> clarifying this.
>
> What might belong here, though, is something to address an Initial OGB
> that for whatever reason is reduced to fewer than 3 members.
>
> > 6. All powers and rights are granted to the OGB which are required
> > by the execution of this Charter or the properly ratified Constitution
> > and which are not inconsistent with applicable law or regulation.
> > With respect to legal and financial issues concerning OpenSolaris, Sun
> > retains all appropriate authority.
> >
> > 7. The OGB may seek funding for its activities and for those of any
> > associate governing bodies, and shall manage and dispose of
> > responsibly any funds so acquired, subject to the restrictions
> > associated with Provision 6.
>
> The main point of the original deliberately vague language was that
> Sun is NOT to be the sole source of funding (nor is Sun offering or
> guaranteeing the provision of any funds whatsoever, now or in the
> future) for the OGB, should it decide to seek funds.  Nothing I can
> see prevents the OGB from becoming a legal entity *not financially
> affiliated with Sun and with no initial assets* if it decides it needs
> to do that to secure funding.  That said, the intent of (7) was not
> and is not to encourage or force the OGB to become a legal entity.
>
> What is the connection between (6) and (7)?  If anything, they now
> seem to conflict.  (6) says "You can do whatever you need to do to
> implement this, but you can't break the law and you don't control any
> of Sun's money or property."  (7) says "If you think you need money to
> do some of this, you're welcome to ask anyone you think will listen.
> If you convince someone to give you money, you must manage it
> responsibly and use it for the purposes described here."  The
> implication that (7) is somehow restricted by (6) is that Sun and the
> OGB are the same entity (both legally and conceptually) and that they
> share a pool of money which the OGB may not use unless Sun gives
> permission.  That was absolutely not the intent of the original
> language, which if anything was to dissociate Sun from the OGB and
> encourage the latter to seek broad-based funding for its initiatives.

Agreed - and that is still the intent.

> The OGB is a committee of individuals, not a subsidiary or working
> group of Sun and not (as defined here) a legal entity in its own
> right.  Just as the TreeHouse Club can ask Johnny's mom for $2 for ice

Agreed.  The concern that was expressed, was that there might be tax or
other accountability related issues if money was being handled outside of
some legal entity.

Personally I don't think there is any requirement to have to form a legal
entity in order to handle funds.  I was part of a helicopter flying club
and we handled monies related to club "business".  We had a club agreement
in place that spelled out how the club funds and other assets were to be
used etc.  The agreement was drawn up by one of the club members who
happened to be a (patent) lawyer.  So it was nice to have a well written
agreement in place that had the exactness/correctness of legal language.

> cream or hold a baseball card sale to raise money for a crucial rope
> ladder repair, so too can the OGB seek funding without being a legal
> entity.  If becoming a 403(c) entity is deemed a practical

Agreed.

> requirement, the OGB is free to pursue it, but that's not the intent
> of (7) as originally written.

Agreed also.

Can you take a shot at re-writing 6 and 7 to remove the conflict you see
there?  Essentially a "Wesolowski" rendition of what you've said in this
email.

Regards,

Al Hopper  Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX.  al at logical-approach.com
           Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134  Timezone: US CDT
OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005


From sch at eng.sun.com  Fri Jan 20 10:11:58 2006
From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:11:58 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] Review version of charter
In-Reply-To: <200601200545.k0K5jvJx005410@athyra.sfbay.sun.com>
References: <20060119065618.GA332109@eng.sun.com>
	<200601200545.k0K5jvJx005410@athyra.sfbay.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20060120181158.GD327469@eng.sun.com>


   I was off on a thinking break yesterday, so let me see if I can work
   through the comments in one pass:

   1.  CABs of fewer than three natural persons.  My proposed clause 1.1
       was what I took away from the CAB call; obviously I messed that
       up.  If, as Keith says, this process to handle a short-staffed
       CAB is meant for the initial CAB only, then this restriction
       shouldn't be a subpart to Provision 1, but among the later
       "Initial CAB only" Provisions.  Simon's revised process
       (appointments) looks sensible to me otherwise.

   2.  The "flying club/treehouse club" and their coffee cans of cash.
       We have asked Sun Legal for better wording on these Provisions.
       However, I disagree that the amounts of money being envisioned
       here match up in quantity or amount with the treehouse club, and
       Sun's involvement means that one or more government agencies will
       have the possibility of paying attention.  The OGB having a
       dinner club and the OGB soliciting donations from hundreds of
       individuals or companies are simply distinct cases.  There are a
       number of mechanisms by which the community might organize to
       fundraise; I am uncertain that Sun can be a co-participant in any
       of them.  (Thus the question to the lawyers.)

       I would also point out that the Charter will be at best a
       reference document in any future "transfer of assets to a
       foundation" negotiation.  Attempts to write language that would
       hold across such a transition should be confined to the
       Constitution.

   3.  Aggressive timeline.  I think Mike raises a good point, and
       believe that the CAB members should discuss amongst themselves
       what they believe is reasonable to produce and on what schedule.
       Certainly the April date is a stale one, as it comes from Keith's
       first draft, which was proposed in December.

   - Stephen

-- 
Stephen Hahn, PhD  Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems
stephen.hahn at sun.com  http://blogs.sun.com/sch/


From webmink at sun.com  Fri Jan 20 13:02:00 2006
From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:02:00 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] Review version of charter
In-Reply-To: <20060120181158.GD327469@eng.sun.com>
References: <20060119065618.GA332109@eng.sun.com>
	<200601200545.k0K5jvJx005410@athyra.sfbay.sun.com>
	<20060120181158.GD327469@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <BC7ED25C-8AD0-47CB-BFD1-94128A0A772E@sun.com>


On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:11, Stephen Hahn wrote:

>
>    I was off on a thinking break yesterday, so let me see if I can  
> work
>    through the comments in one pass:
>
>    1.  CABs of fewer than three natural persons.  My proposed  
> clause 1.1
>        was what I took away from the CAB call; obviously I messed that
>        up.  If, as Keith says, this process to handle a short-staffed
>        CAB is meant for the initial CAB only, then this restriction
>        shouldn't be a subpart to Provision 1, but among the later
>        "Initial CAB only" Provisions.  Simon's revised process
>        (appointments) looks sensible to me otherwise.

This is not an "initial CAB only" issue - Sun is chartering the OGB  
on the condition the OGB has at least 3 members, and thus needs to  
define what the consequences of doing otherwise would be. Suitable  
language in the constitution may address the issue, but Sun's charter  
condition remains regardless. I'd therefore assert that language like  
that I proposed should remain at clause 1.1


>
>    3.  Aggressive timeline.  I think Mike raises a good point, and
>        believe that the CAB members should discuss amongst themselves
>        what they believe is reasonable to produce and on what  
> schedule.
>        Certainly the April date is a stale one, as it comes from  
> Keith's
>        first draft, which was proposed in December.

I tend to agree. April is a fine goal but the "reset button" should  
now be pressed later. How about the end of Sun's year, June 30th?

S.



From webmink at sun.com  Fri Jan 27 17:36:18 2006
From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:36:18 +0000
Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Jan 4, 2006
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0601051726150.5355@logical.logical-approach.com>
References: <43BDA2C8.6050404@sun.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0601051726150.5355@logical.logical-approach.com>
Message-ID: <A273A657-EBE2-4971-AA02-7CCEC7E483CF@sun.com>

Apologies for the late comment here, I was just looking back and  
noticed an oversight.

_____
Simon Phipps, Chief Open Source Officer, Sun Microsystems
Tel:  +1 650 352 6327/USx69758  Web:  www.webmink.net,  AIM: webmink
Current timezone: GMT/UTC (UK)


On Jan 5, 2006, at 23:27, Al Hopper wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>> Below are notes from the CAB meeting yesterday.
>>
>> Jim
>> ---
>> Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris
>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/
>>
>>
>>
>> CAB Meeting Notes: Wed Jan 4, 2006
>>
>> CAB Members:
>> Simon Phipps (Chair), Al Hopper, Rich Teer, Roy Fielding, Casper Dik.
>>
>> OpenSolaris Tech Lead: Stephen Hahn | CAB correspondent: Jim  
>> Grisanzio
>>
>> The CAB primarily discussed two issues:
>>
>> (1) restarting the Charter discussions
>> (2) mapping out a strategy for Governance development
>>
>> Charter:
>>
>> * The CAB reviewed the history and circumstances of its creation, how
>> things have evolved over the last few months -- such as changes in  
>> Sun
>> management and engineering leadership -- and where to go from here.
>>
>> * The thought was expressed that the CAB should have been given a  
>> more
>> clear mandate with well articulated terms of reference initially and
>> that that omission was an error. All agreed.
>>
>> * Although there has been confusion regarding the CAB's and Sun's  
>> role
>> in the creation of the OpenSolaris Charter, the cab-discuss list  
>> does,
>> in fact, contain a body of work that can be updated and leveraged to
>> complete the Charter and eventually the Governance.
>>
>> * CAB members outlined what they would like to see within a Charter
>> document, including: the philosophy (statement of purpose) of the
>> OpenSolaris community, a clear definition of the board's scope,  
>> specific
>> exclusions to that scope, and a mechanism of changing the Charter
>> itself. Initial exclusions to the board's scope include: ownership of
>> copyright, branding issues, legal issues, and financial matters. All
>> agreed that the document should be short and substantive.
>>
>> * The CAB asked Stephen Hahn to work with Al Hopper to bring the  
>> Charter
>> document to fruition. They also agreed that Stephen and Al would work
>> from the last draft posted to cab-discuss:
>> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4272&tstart=0
>> Al and Stephen will report back to the CAB in two weeks (on 1/18),  
>> and
>> then the CAB will address any final issues at that point. The CAB  
>> would
>> like the Charter approved by Feb 1.
>>
>> Governance:
>>
>> * Governance discussions will be initiated immediately after the  
>> Charter
>> is agreed upon and approved. The current governance draft is  
>> posted at:
>> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=5376#5376
>>
>> * The suggestion was offered that Governance document editing  
>> needs to
>> occur by using a collaborative authoring tool. The CAB has asked Al
>> Hopper to explore this issue and implement such a tool on  
>> genunix.org.
>> All agreed.
>>
>> * The CAB will also form a Governance Working Group to assist with  
>> the
>> updating and finalization of the Governance draft. That working group
>> will include all the the members of the CAB, as well as additional
>> community members. The CAB has invited Ben Rockwood and Keith  
>> Wesolowski
>> to participate on the working group, and both have agreed.
>>
>> Next CAB Meeting: Wed Jan 18 at noon pacific.
>
> Jim,
>
> Missing is the 10 minute discussion re: a distributed revision control
> system.  Can you include the meat of the discussion in the notes  
> please?
>

Also, the Governance Working Group was being discussed with Stephen  
Hahn in the "room" and I just took it as read that the proposed group  
was in fact the CAB /and Stephen/ plus Keith & Ben.

Thanks

S.



From Robert.Anderson at Sun.COM  Tue Jan 31 15:33:38 2006
From: Robert.Anderson at Sun.COM (Rob Anderson)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:33:38 -0800
Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris Distributions and package managment
	forum request
In-Reply-To: <43DE804B.6040805@sun.com>
References: <43DE7A2A.2080909@sun.com> <43DE804B.6040805@sun.com>
Message-ID: <43DFF3D2.5050101@sun.com>

Dave Miner wrote:

> Anyone can propose to create a community, the process is documented 
> somewhere on opensolaris.org, but it's essentially pretty simple: 
> draft a proposal, post it to opensolaris-discuss, get backing from 
> some number of community members and 2(?) CAB members.  I will be on 
> vacation next week, so if it falls to me to do it, then it'll be in a 
> couple of weeks.  There's no reason it has to be me, though; my role 
> with the install team just makes it a natural task for me to take on...

See Community Forum Proposal: Packaging, Patching, and Distribution Mgmt 
<https://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=5556&tstart=0> 
posted 31 Jan 2006.

I've bcc'd 'cab-discuss at opensolaris.org' as I don't know how the CAB 
gets involved unless they read
all the thousands of posts ;-)
    rob

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Program Mgr, Software Product Engineering
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