From rich.teer at rite-group.com Wed Jan 3 15:14:37 2007 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:14:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Constitution approved and signed In-Reply-To: <459BD40D.1090002@sun.com> References: <7386115.1167782249502.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <459BD40D.1090002@sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: > When the constitution was drafted and reviewed by the CAB, it was all done in > the open. People had the opportunity to give comments then -- and several > did. Why go through yet another review/approval? I'm concerned about Even though the draft was developed and reviewed in public, I (and I know I'm not alone on this) think that it is vital for the constituion to be ratified by the community (or more precisely, the Core Contributors thereof). There's a differnce between participating in the drafting of a document, and approving of the final version. A public ratification (which, I think, would be pretty much unanimous anyway) ensures that what gets adopted really is what the community wants (at this time). Another consideration that shouldn't be underestimated is that of perception, especially by the nay sayers. A public ratification would ensure no possiblity of (credible claims of) accusations of "showhorning" by Sun. In other words, especially to the nay sayers, "this is the constitution developed with, and approved by, the community" sounds better than "this is the constitution that was developed with the community, but was approved unilaterally by Sun". Yes? > delaying elections. Technically, you guys don't exist any more. :-) Cool! Does that mean I don't have to file an income tax return this year? :-) -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, SCSECA, OpenSolaris CAB member . * * . * .* . . * . .* President, * . . /\ ( . . * Rite Online Inc. . . / .\ . * . .*. / * \ . . . /* o \ . Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 * '''||''' . URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich ****************** From fielding at gbiv.com Wed Jan 3 19:01:09 2007 From: fielding at gbiv.com (Roy T. Fielding) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:01:09 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Constitution approved and signed In-Reply-To: References: <7386115.1167782249502.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <459BD40D.1090002@sun.com> Message-ID: <4DB2220E-02E5-4CBD-AAB8-6A528EED8C95@gbiv.com> On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Rich Teer wrote: > Another consideration that shouldn't be underestimated is that of > perception, > especially by the nay sayers. A public ratification would ensure no > possiblity of (credible claims of) accusations of "showhorning" by > Sun. > In other words, especially to the nay sayers, "this is the > constitution > developed with, and approved by, the community" sounds better than > "this > is the constitution that was developed with the community, but was > approved unilaterally by Sun". Yes? Just curious, but has anyone been hearing nay sayers recently? I don't think the community will care until Sun stops running the show (in fact) and starts adhering to the constitution's process of creating and managing the communities. I think it is reasonable to elect an OGB and ratify the constitution in a single ballot. After all, if ratification fails then Sun will have to appoint a new CAB anyway, so it might as well have the election results in hand as guidance. >> delaying elections. Technically, you guys don't exist any more. :-) > > Cool! Does that mean I don't have to file an income tax return this > year? :-) Heh, even the deceased have to pay taxes. I, however, can't even remember that this week started on a Tuesday. ....Roy From keith.wesolowski at sun.com Wed Jan 3 19:45:31 2007 From: keith.wesolowski at sun.com (Keith M Wesolowski) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:45:31 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Constitution approved and signed In-Reply-To: <4DB2220E-02E5-4CBD-AAB8-6A528EED8C95@gbiv.com> References: <7386115.1167782249502.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <459BD40D.1090002@sun.com> <4DB2220E-02E5-4CBD-AAB8-6A528EED8C95@gbiv.com> Message-ID: <20070104034531.GA754100@sun.com> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:01:09PM -0800, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > Just curious, but has anyone been hearing nay sayers recently? Unless something's gone awry in the mail system, there's been virtually no discussion of any kind on this list for the last several months. The Draft_02 wiki discussion page was last edited in July. So I think it's safe to say there hasn't been much naysaying for some time now. Neither, however, has there been any support for the product we see today. At most, it's fair to say that most people have simply lost interest, if indeed they had any at the start. > I don't think the community will care until Sun stops running the > show (in fact) and starts adhering to the constitution's process > of creating and managing the communities. This seems a bit loaded, no? Why shouldn't the engineering community first decide whether the proposed process is the one it wants? I take your comment to imply that continuation of Sun's present stewardship is the worst of all possible scenarios and that any alternative proposal would necessarily be superior. Whether or not it was your intent to make that assertion, it's an instructive one to examine: it is at best debatable, which implies a compelling need for popular support for the replacement of that stewardship. Nevertheless, I'm inclined to agree that the current mode of operation has done little to engender the civic spirit in members. But I disagree that the solution to member apathy is for another (Sun-appointed, no less) body to arbitrarily replace that mode of operation with another, even if the latter is believed superior. > I think it is reasonable to elect an OGB and ratify the constitution > in a single ballot. After all, if ratification fails then Sun will > have to appoint a new CAB anyway, so it might as well have the > election results in hand as guidance. It seemed odd to me months ago when the issue was raised, and remains so today, that the constitution as written includes no explicit provision for its own ratification. This omission makes it difficult to evaluate competing proposals for ratification strategies. All we have is 4.1's 'These Members are responsible for ratifying this Constitution...'. 8.4 does not list ratification of Constitution as an action type. We do have article IX, which states in part 'This Constitution and its bylaws may be altered, amended, added to, or repealed by an affirmative vote of a majority of the Members of record...'. This seems to suggest that the affirmative vote of the majority of Members of record, without regard for any 'nay' votes, would be sufficient to ratify it as well. I'm not opposed to combining these issues on the same ballot, provided it's made clear that if the ratification proposition fails to pass: (a) The OGB election is inoperable, AND (b) its results will not be published, AND (c) Sun is not bound by them when selecting a new Initial OGB. Rationale: The people who might be elected to OGB seats under this constitution may not be the same people who are or would be well-suited to fill those seats under some other constitution, nor under the Charter's Initial OGB provisions. Disclosing the results could pollute future elections or improperly constrain Sun's choice of members of a subsequent Initial OGB. However... given that the Second Initial OGB's term has expired, and that the proposed constitution does not assign responsibility for the conduct of OGB elections other than the implicit reservation to the OGB itself, it seems logical that the Third Initial OGB must in fact conduct both the ratification election and the first OGB election. This implies that Sun must first appoint a Third Initial OGB, making moot concerns over such an appointment subsequent to rejection of the proposed constitution. Should ratification fail, that Third Initial OGB would then retain responsibility for future proposals and ratification. -- Keith M Wesolowski "Sir, we're surrounded!" FishWorks "Excellent; we can attack in any direction!" From sch at eng.sun.com Thu Jan 4 16:00:21 2007 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:00:21 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Current list of contributors Message-ID: <20070105000021.GA12480@eng.sun.com> Below are the initial Core Contributors and Contributors identified by the Community Groups that have replied so far. I've a few inquiries out to specific CGs, so expect another version next week. I'll also be pinging the general interest aliases. (I expect these are grants that expire two years from a date of record, when a resolution to adopt this list is approved by the third IOGB.) - Stephen ---- academic contributor joe.g driving edu engagement in India academic contributor moinakg driving edu engagement in India, Belenix creator academic contributor patrickf previous community leader and core contributor academic core joey drove curriculum effort in China, Starter Kit translation academic core michelle wrote curriculum guide, key Starter Kit contributor academic core teresag community leader approach contributor anay significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor anupcs significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor bustos significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor carlsonj significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor darrenm significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor davidjon significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor dminer significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor kcpoon significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor lianep significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor meem significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor mph significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor okie significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor sfbiggar significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor xzh significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach core jbeck project leader for NWAM project discussions brandz contributor ahl Adam Leventhal developed the BrandZ DTrace and ptrace support brandz contributor hannken Juergen Hannken-Illjes has contributed a number of bugfixes to BrandZ. brandz contributor jcm Jerri-Ann Meyer is the engineering manager for BrandZ brandz contributor kirk Kirk Wells is the program manager for BrandZ brandz core edp Ed Pilatowicz owns all the BrandZ device support brandz core kucharsk Bill Kucharski owns the BrandZ installation support, as well as everything to do with signals. brandz core nilsn Nils Nieuwejaar is the technical lead for BrandZ brandz core rab Russ Blaine owns all BrandZ work related to linking and debugging cab contributor benr cab contributor sch cab contributor wesolows cab core alhopper cab core casper cab core fielding cab core rich cab core webmink desktop contributor calumb Calum Benson desktop contributor drdoug Doug Scott desktop contributor justinc Justin Conover desktop contributor kmays Ken Mays desktop contributor steleman Stefan Teleman desktop core dcarbery Damien Carbery desktop core dermot Dermot McCluskey desktop core dkenny Darren Kenny desktop core gman Glynn Foster desktop core laca Laca Peter desktop core yippi Brian Cameron documentation contributor alta Alta Elstad provided the Device Driver Tutorial as open source and is a leader of the Device Driver community documentation contributor cindys Cindy Swearingen provided the ZFS ADmin Guide as open source and is a leader of the ZFS community documentation contributor dlindt David Lindt contributed feedback on community direction and helps laision for docs between SDN and OpenSolaris documentation contributor frankho Frank Hoffman contributed Crashdump analysis book and aggregate of blogs about filesystem development documentation contributor gherteg Glenn Herteg contibuted How To Setup OpenSolaris with Yahoo DSL and feedback on IPFilter docs and code impl documentation contributor ginnie Ginnie Wray contributed content for the original Big Doc List and an install tech talk documentation contributor layne Layne Ethington contributed nfsmapid description for community review documentation contributor linnea Linnea Wickstrom has contributed feedback and suggestions on the web site design documentation contributor markb Mark Brundege developed the tool to convert Solbook to DocBook documentation contributor mickm Michael Monaghan contributed tools and design to convert the global glossary to a wikipedia documentation contributor mws Mike Shapiro provided the Dynamic Tracing Guide as open source and is a leader of the DTrace community documentation contributor sbrucker Stephanie Brucker has addressed community feedback on IPFilter docs and is a leader of Quagga project documentation contributor wesolows Keith Wesolowski contributed the OpenSolaris Developer's reference guide as open source documentation core benr Ben Rockwood has created the wiki and source repository for our community along with defining direction of tools documentation core bgregg Brendan Gregg has contributed several documents and leadership on direction of the Docs community documentation core elowe Eric Lowe has provided conversion tools and engineering expertise to help provide books as open source documentation core rheilke Rainer Heilke has provided consistently helpful feedback on writing guidelines and developed a quick start documentation core sweber Sue Weber has defined the roadmap and worked closely with legal to determine licensing practices dtrace core ahl Initial core contributor dtrace core bgregg Initial core contributor dtrace core bmc Initial core contributor dtrace core mws Initial core contributor i18n contributor brig Brigitte contributed French localization style guide for the French group and active in the French group. i18n contributor by38662 Brian is the leader of Chinese groups. i18n contributor cerveny Martin is the Czech group leader. i18n contributor csj J\341nos is the Hugarian group leader. i18n contributor jayaradh Jayaradha is the leader of Indic groups. i18n contributor mayoral Luis is the Spanish group leader. i18n contributor rrabadan Ruben contributed Latin American keyboard layout files and other necessary changes. i18n contributor ss39446 Siva contributed Tamil UTF-8 locale to the community. i18n contributor suresh Suresh is the Malayalam group leader. i18n contributor tifeo Daniele is the Italian group leader. i18n contributor tonyn Tony is the Vietnamese group leader. i18n core is Ienup is a community leader and tries to contribute in various areas and aspects of the community. i18n core laurent Laurent is the French group leader and actively maintains the French group. i18n core thiguchi Takaaki is the Japanese group leader and actively maintains the Japanese group. i18n core vinny Vinny is the Portuguese Brazil leader and actively maintains the Portuguese Brazil group. i18n core yjsong Young is a community leader and tries to contribute in various areas and aspects of the community. immigrants contributor tdh Authoring and blogging about OpenSolaris and Solaris for newcomers. immigrants core ahl Initial core contributor. immigrants core benr Presently leading community. install contributor Bart Smaalders install contributor James Falkner install contributor Matt Williamson install contributor Mike Gerdts install core Dave Miner install core Ethan Quach install core Glenn Lagasse install core James Carlson install core Jan Damborsky install core Mary Ding install core Peter Tribble install core Sanjay Nadkarni install core Sarah Jelinek install core Sundar Yamunachari install core Susan Sohn install core Tim Knitter install core Vassili Igouchkine install core William Schumann marketing contributor bonnie on all calls, great reviewer, helps to balance mktg with eng requirements marketing contributor richteer another voice of the community and willing reviewer on docs and proposals marketing contributor spp Stephen is always willing to offer input on mktg activities marketing core benr voice of community a lot for mktg ideas marketing core lkr healthy participator in conversations and proposals marketing core patrickf bi-weekly stats contributions, conversation on list marketing core sarad community lead marketing core teresag Community support and integration with other communities marketing core timf offers all sorts of help and input and support network contributor carlsonj numerous contributions to various community discussions network contributor carolg provided various important support to the community and the Crossbow project network contributor danmcd multiple contributions to various discussions, submitted design docs for review network contributor darrenr multiple contributions to IPFilter and other design reviews network contributor dme significant contributions to community discussions network contributor kais contributed to various discussions of the community and Crossbow project network contributor nordmark several contributions to various discussions of the networking community and Crossbow project network contributor rshoaib numerous contributions to various community discussions network contributor seb significant contributions to Clearview project and other discussions, submitted design docs for review network contributor yun significant contributions to discussions, submitted design docs for review network core meem numerous contributions to discussions, lead of Clearview project network core ndroux numerous contributions to various discussions, active co-leader of the Nemo and Crossbow projects network core sunay active co-leader of the Crossbow project, significant contributions of architecture documents to the community networking contributor danmcd Dan McDonald networking contributor markfen Mark Fenwick networking contributor pwernau Paul Wernau networking contributor sommerfeld Bill Sommerfeld nfs core robert_gordon Robert Gordon nfs core shepler Spencer Shepler nfs core siddheshwar Siddheshwar V. Mahesh on core ags on core ahl on core ahrens on core artem on core barts on core batschul on core billt on core bmc on core bonwick on core bubbva on core bw on core casper on core cindi on core comay on core cwb on core damico on core dduvall on core dep on core djl on core dmick on core eshrock on core exodus on core frits on core gavinm on core jbeck on core jg on core jhd on core johnz on core kupfer on core lclee on core maybee on core mikechr on core minh on core mjnelson on core mws on core nickto on core nilsn on core petede on core peteh on core raf on core sch on core sdussud on core sethg on core shao on core shepler on core tpm on core wendyp performance core akolb Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core andrei Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core barts Contributor in many areas of performance characterization and improvement. performance core dp Contributes to many areas of OpenSolaris. performance core esaxe Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core jjc Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core mpogue Experienced in the area of Kernel Performance. performance core rmc Contributor in many areas of performance characterization and improvement. ppc contributor bbrv active in forum ppc contributor bochnig source contributor, active in forum ppc contributor cjs supports Polaris Wiki, active in forum ppc contributor joerg active in forum ppc contributor kmays active in forum ppc contributor kucharsk technical info provider ppc contributor mwsealey active in forum ppc contributor nerant source contributor, active in forum ppc contributor svenl active in forum ppc contributor szhou Shudong Zhou active in forum ppc contributor yanyh source contributor, active in forum ppc core ahl original leader, was active in forum ppc core dclarke hosts Polaris site, original organizer, ppc core imp leads community contribution, active in forum ppc core rarebit leads SunLabs contribution and overall port effort security contributor danmcd Dan McDonald security contributor markfen Mark Fenwick security contributor pwernau Paul Wernau security contributor sommerfeld Bill Sommerfeld smf contrib arushi04 doc and help contributor smf contrib bnsmb doc contributor (FAQ) smf contrib dminer help and code contributor smf contrib fourctom code contributor smf contrib hshaw code contributor smf contrib jeanm code contributor smf contrib jkeil code contributor smf contrib kathydoc and help contributor smf contrib nico help contributor smf contrib richlowe code contributor smf contrib yannouch code contributor smf core bustos doc, help, code contributor and project lead smf core dep doc, help, code contributor and project lead smf core jwadams doc, help, and code contributor smf core lianep doc, help, and code contributor smf core schdoc, help, and code contributor test contributor jleser John supports opensolaris testing test contributor michaelb discussions, UG meetings test contributor robj discussion, blogs and UG meetings test contributor seanmcg performance discussions, blogs and UG meetings test core fintanr Fintan leads performance test areas and part of self-service team test core jwalker Jim leads testing and does discussions, blogs and UG meetings test core timf Tim is a big contributor: discussions, blogs and UG meetings tools contrib casper cscope-fast contribution; SCM (esp. Teamware) knowledge tools contrib comay multiple bfu contributions tools contrib danmcd multiple tools putbacks (crypto) tools contrib dmick multiple tools contributions tools contrib dp multiple contributions tools contrib eschrock multiple tools contributions tools contrib girishl multiple tools contributions (sun4v support) tools contrib jg multiple tools contributions tools contrib johnz crypto tools expert tools contrib jwadams multiple tools contributions tools contrib lclee multiple bfu contributions tools contrib rab multiple contributions tools contrib richlowe bfu and build contributions tools contrib robinson multiple bfu contributions tools contrib rorth multiple contributions to tools and other areas tools contrib semery multiple bfu contributions tools contrib sherrym multiple tools contributions tools contrib simmonmt part of original CTF team tools contrib szhou multiple tools contributions tools contrib tucker contribution to bfu and crypto tool handling tools contrib willf multiple contributions to wx tools core alanbur responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core ali Developer of link-editing technology, related tools, and associated documentation. tools core darrenm crypto tools expert tools core dduvall ON gatekeeper tools core fvdl responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core garypen responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core johnlev multiple ctf contributions tools core kupfer responsible for current opensolaris build infrastructure tools core meem multiple tools contributions; strong cleanliness proponent tools core mike_s long-time expert on the build tools core mjnelson onnv tech lead tools core petede Nevada assistant tech lead tools core raf CRT advocate covering the build tools core rie Developer of link-editing technology, related tools, and associated documentation. tools core sch responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core setje newboot expert tools core sommerfeld multiple contributions; strong cleanliness proponent tools core stevel responsible for current opensolaris build infrastructure, SCM tools core wesolows responsible for the shadow build infrastructure, gcc usergroup contributor sriramn Sriram has been a very active contributor in the BOSUG mailing list usergroup core a.sundar Chennai OSUG A. Sundararajan usergroup core aalok Alok Aggarwal ATLOSUG contributor & Solaris developer usergroup core adam_Z Adam Zhang started and runs Shanghai User Group. usergroup core akolb Alexander Kolbasov leader in the MOSUG usergroup core aland Alan Duboff started and runs the SVOSUG usergroup core aland Silicon Valley OSUG Alan DuBoff usergroup core alanh Alan Hargreaves started and runs the SOSUG. usergroup core alanh Sydney OSUG Alan Hargreaves usergroup core andrei Moscow OSUG Andrei Dorofeev usergroup core Ashok Ashok Kumar Gupta Madurai OSUG member usergroup core asyd Bruno Bonfils leader of the FOSUG usergroup core bgregg Brendan Gregg Repeat Presentor and DTrace Guru, SOSUG usergroup core bm91119 Bart Muijzer started and runs NLOSUG usergroup core boyd Boyd Adamson presenter, SOSUG usergroup core bubli Czech OSUG Katarina Machalkova usergroup core casper Casper Dik runs NLOSUG usergroup core cerveny Czech OSUG Martin Cerveny usergroup core che Asche Kristo Driving force to the formation of the SOSUG usergroup core codelion Asankhaya Sharma started and runs the NITW opensolaris group usergroup core codelion Warangal NIT OSUG Asankhaya Sharma usergroup core davemq Austin OSUG Dave Marquardt usergroup core dickson Atlanta OSUG Scott Dickson usergroup core dickson Scott Dickson leader of the ATLOSUG usergroup core e1_sun Iwan Rahabok leader of the Singapore OSUG. usergroup core eggboy Jay Lee started and leads the KOSUG usergroup core elowe Eric Lowe coordinated and has spoken at the Austin OSUG usergroup core ericb Eric Boutilier contributes to the UG community, started the GLUG usergroup core ericb Great Lakes OSUG Eric Boutilier usergroup core fintanr Fintan Ryan IEOSUG leader, OS test usergroup core fintanr Irish OSUG Fintan Ryan usergroup core flip SVOSUG Phillip "Flip" Russell usergroup core forrest Beijing OSUG Jun-Chao Forrest Wu usergroup core ghreyes Gustavo Reyes contributes heavily to the AOSUG usergroup core ginnie Front Rage OSUG Ginnie Wray usergroup core ginnie Virginia Wray started and runs the FROSUG usergroup core gmack Gregg Mackenzie involved in FROSUG usergroup core grahadea Grahadea Kusuf started and runs OSUG-Indonesia usergroup core gwilson George Wilson ATLOSUG leader usergroup core hsaltiel Argentina OSUG Hern?n Saltiel usergroup core hsaltiel Hern?n Saltiel started and runs Argentine AOSUG usergroup core iktorn Victor Latushkin leader in the MOSUG usergroup core imp Israel OSUG Cyril Plisko usergroup core jclulow Joshua Clulow consistantly present in #opensolaris for SOSUG usergroup core jco Swiss OSUG Javier Conde usergroup core jjj Joep Vesseur runs NLOSUG usergroup core jmcp James McPherson Repeat Presenter, SOSUG usergroup core jonb FROSUG Jon Bowman usergroup core jonb Jon Bowman started and runs FROSUG usergroup core jurikm Milan Jurik Czech OSUG leader usergroup core jurikm Czech OSUG Milan Jurik usergroup core jwalker Jim Walker started and involved in FROSUG usergroup core kavit Kavit Munshi Presenter and early Driver, SOSUG usergroup core kjelle Kjell H?gstr?m started and runs SWOSUG usergroup core kjelle Sweden OSUG Kjell H?gstr?m usergroup core kjy02i Roger Kim KOSUG member usergroup core km103805 Swiss OSUG Karim Mazouni usergroup core knoche Bill Knoche involved in FROSUG usergroup core laurent French OSUG Laurent Blume usergroup core laurent Laurent Blume FOSUG leader usergroup core lisagab FROSUG Lisa M. Week usergroup core lisagab Lisa Week started and runs the FROSUG usergroup core lkr New England OSUG Laura Ramsey usergroup core lxf Xinfeng Liu started and runs Shanghai User Group. usergroup core macrae Adhari C Mahendra runs OSUG-Indonesia usergroup core matty Ryan Matteson open source contributor and active in ATLOSUG usergroup core mcerveny Martin Cerveny Czech OSUG leader usergroup core Mdavemq Dave Marquardt helped set up and run the Austin OSUG usergroup core mmman Czech OSUG Martin Man usergroup core mmman Martin Man Czech OSUG leader usergroup core moinakg Moinak is the lead developer of the BeleniX OpenSolaris distro usergroup core mwaterl FROSUG Moriah Waterland usergroup core mwaterl Moriah Waterland started and runs FROSUG usergroup core mwolfe Raleigh OSUG Michael Wolfe usergroup core nathank Nathan Kroenert Presenter, SOSUG usergroup core nerant Jeremy Teo contributes to the Singapore OSUG usergroup core nino German OSUG Nenad Cimerman usergroup core ofsen Turkey OSUG Omer Faruk Sen usergroup core oliver Beijing OSUG Oliver Yang usergroup core patrickf Patrick Finch patrickf, runs NLOSUG. usergroup core pbg New England OSUG Peter Baer Galvin usergroup core petervg Peter van Gemer runs NLOSUG usergroup core pgomez1 Venezuela OSUG Pedro Gomez usergroup core praveen Praveen Krishnamoorthy started and runs Madurai OSUG usergroup core pwl Peter Lees early driver, SOSUG usergroup core ravisank Ravisankar Balaji Madurai OSUG member usergroup core remcof Remco Fug runs NLOSUG usergroup core samf FROSUG Sam L. Falkner usergroup core samf Sam Falkner started and runs FROSUG usergroup core sarad Austin OSUG Sara Dornsife usergroup core sarad Sara Dornsife got the Austin OSUG going. usergroup core seanmcg Sean McGrath IEOSUG contributor extraordinaire, OS test usergroup core sep Russia OSUG Sergei Pikalev usergroup core shambles Sean Sprague leads the LOSUG. usergroup core skamm Susan Kamm-Worrell runs FROSUG usergroup core sqliang Singapore OSUG Seng-Quee Liang usergroup core subhash Hyderabad OSUG Subhash Singh Thakur usergroup core thiguchi Nihon Sun UG Takaaki Higuchi usergroup core timf Tim Foster IEOSUG leader, marketing wannabe, zfs fan, OS test usergroup core tunla Lars Tunkrans runs SWOSUG usergroup core twest Tom West involved in FROSUG usergroup core ulf London OSUG Ulf Andreasson usergroup core venkytv Bangalore OSUG Venky TV usergroup core venkytv Venkateshwara TV leader of the BOSUG usergroup core victor Beijing OSUG Di-Li Victor Hu zfs core ahrens Initial core contributor zfs core billm Initial core contributor zfs core bonwick Initial core contributor zfs core chua Initial core contributor zfs core cindys Initial core contributor zfs core dp Initial core contributor zfs core eschrock Initial core contributor zfs core goo Initial core contributor zfs core lalt Initial core contributor zfs core marks Initial core contributor zfs core maybee Initial core contributor zfs core ndellofa Initial core contributor zfs core perrin Initial core contributor zfs core tabriz Initial core contributor zones contrib jeffv Jeff Victor is a frequent and valuable contributor to the zones community zones contributor mgerdts Community contributor to zones development zones contributor pcotten Technical writer for zones zones contributor richlowe Community contributor to zones development zones core allan Allan McKillop is the engineering manager for zones zones core annt Ann Togasaki is the program manager for zones zones core comay David Comay is the technical lead for zones zones core dp Dan Price is a senior engineer working on zones zones core gjelinek Jerry Jelinek is a senior engineer working on zones zones core stevelaw Steve Lawrence is an engineer working on resource management, which has direct relationship with the zones community. -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Thu Jan 4 16:13:22 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:13:22 +0100 Subject: [cab-discuss] Current list of contributors References: <20070105000021.GA12480@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <459D9822.9746E313@nrubsig.org> Stephen Hahn wrote: > > Below are the initial Core Contributors and Contributors identified > by the Community Groups that have replied so far. I've a few > inquiries out to specific CGs, so expect another version next week. > > I'll also be pinging the general interest aliases. > > (I expect these are grants that expire two years from a date of > record, when a resolution to adopt this list is approved by the third > IOGB.) Uhm... what about projects which are not bound to any communities (the ksh93-integration and shell projects are such cases (and neither April or I are listed)) ? ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From sch at eng.sun.com Thu Jan 4 16:54:50 2007 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:54:50 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Current list of contributors In-Reply-To: <459D9822.9746E313@nrubsig.org> References: <20070105000021.GA12480@eng.sun.com> <459D9822.9746E313@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <20070105005450.GC12676@eng.sun.com> * Roland Mainz [2007-01-04 16:36]: > Stephen Hahn wrote: > > > > Below are the initial Core Contributors and Contributors identified > > by the Community Groups that have replied so far. I've a few > > inquiries out to specific CGs, so expect another version next week. > > > > I'll also be pinging the general interest aliases. > > > > (I expect these are grants that expire two years from a date of > > record, when a resolution to adopt this list is approved by the third > > IOGB.) > > Uhm... what about projects which are not bound to any communities (the > ksh93-integration and shell projects are such cases (and neither April > or I are listed)) ? Community Groups are the long term entities that identify Contributors and Core Contributors; Projects have no direct role in governance. One approach would be to have a discussion with one or more Communities that you believe are related to, or would benefit from, work you're presently doing. (Endorsement would be appropriate at that point.) If a project member has also been a constructive participant in a Community Group, then the leads should be able to assess Contributorship for that member. Contributorship (and Core Contributorship) will be an ongoing aspect of Community Group operations; we are merely trying to get an initial list to bootstrap the OpenSolaris Community's governance. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Thu Jan 4 18:11:32 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:11:32 +0100 Subject: [cab-discuss] Current list of contributors References: <20070105000021.GA12480@eng.sun.com> <459D9822.9746E313@nrubsig.org> <20070105005450.GC12676@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <459DB3D4.D3E18193@nrubsig.org> Stephen Hahn wrote: > * Roland Mainz [2007-01-04 16:36]: [snip] > > Uhm... what about projects which are not bound to any communities (the > > ksh93-integration and shell projects are such cases (and neither April > > or I are listed)) ? > > Community Groups are the long term entities that identify Contributors > and Core Contributors; Projects have no direct role in governance. > One approach would be to have a discussion with one or more > Communities that you believe are related to, or would benefit from, > work you're presently doing. (Endorsement would be appropriate at > that point.) If a project member has also been a constructive > participant in a Community Group, then the leads should be able to > assess Contributorship for that member. Uhm.. the problem is that there is no "community" which is even close to what the ksh93-integration project does (someone added us to the "desktop" community but that's (IMO) more an accident than a correct choice) ... there was the question whether the shell project should be a "community" or a "project" and we picked "project" assuming that the "shells" project will at some point take over once ksh93 was integrated and /usr/bin/ksh93 migrated... but we could (in theory) turn that into a community again (question is who should be the community "leads"... in theory I'd like to do it but first I need a new job in February (which may collide with the duties as community lead (=bad timing... ;-( ))). ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From fielding at gbiv.com Thu Jan 4 19:07:16 2007 From: fielding at gbiv.com (Roy T. Fielding) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:07:16 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Constitution approved and signed In-Reply-To: <20070104034531.GA754100@sun.com> References: <7386115.1167782249502.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <459BD40D.1090002@sun.com> <4DB2220E-02E5-4CBD-AAB8-6A528EED8C95@gbiv.com> <20070104034531.GA754100@sun.com> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:01:09PM -0800, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > >> Just curious, but has anyone been hearing nay sayers recently? > > Unless something's gone awry in the mail system, there's been > virtually no discussion of any kind on this list for the last several > months. The Draft_02 wiki discussion page was last edited in July. > So I think it's safe to say there hasn't been much naysaying for some > time now. Neither, however, has there been any support for the > product we see today. At most, it's fair to say that most people have > simply lost interest, if indeed they had any at the start. No argument there. I was actually referring to nay sayers outside the community who might claim that OpenSolaris is being "run by Sun" and "not a real community-driven project", both of which are so obviously factual right now that the trolls have returned to sleep. So, Rich's concern that a lack of a formal ratification vote would somehow feed those trolls is, IMO, both accurate and irrelevant -- the process has been run by Sun, so far, and it is only by enacting the constitution and actually using its processes that we will ever reach the point where the trolls could be trolls again. Delaying ratification is far more likely to feed the trolls than anything we might do to move forward. >> I don't think the community will care until Sun stops running the >> show (in fact) and starts adhering to the constitution's process >> of creating and managing the communities. > > This seems a bit loaded, no? Why shouldn't the engineering community > first decide whether the proposed process is the one it wants? Because it is a waste of time and money when both can be done on one ballot. > I take > your comment to imply that continuation of Sun's present stewardship > is the worst of all possible scenarios and that any alternative > proposal would necessarily be superior. Whether or not it was your > intent to make that assertion, it's an instructive one to examine: it > is at best debatable, which implies a compelling need for popular > support for the replacement of that stewardship. No, my comment had no such valuation attached. My comment was that the community will not care about the constitution until the constitution actually impacts how decisions are made, and since not a single decision has been made "according to the constitution", as of yet, there is no reason to care. As I said at the start of this process, the biggest risk to OpenSolaris as a community-driven effort is that Sun will love it to death. It has done so quite effectively. Almost two years later, this is still a Sun project. I am not saying that isn't exactly what the engineering community wants, nor that OpenSolaris would be better off otherwise, but it does have an effect on self-governing behavior (or lack of it) and non-Sun community participation. > Nevertheless, I'm inclined to agree that the current mode of operation > has done little to engender the civic spirit in members. But I > disagree that the solution to member apathy is for another > (Sun-appointed, no less) body to arbitrarily replace that mode of > operation with another, even if the latter is believed superior. True, but short of forking the project there is little else that can be done. We either elect a new OGB and trust that the community will tweak the process as needed in the future, or we ask Sun to elect/appoint a new CAB, or we just give up on the idea of self-governance and formally define Sun's role as the official appointer of benevolent dictatorships. >> I think it is reasonable to elect an OGB and ratify the constitution >> in a single ballot. After all, if ratification fails then Sun will >> have to appoint a new CAB anyway, so it might as well have the >> election results in hand as guidance. > > It seemed odd to me months ago when the issue was raised, and remains > so today, that the constitution as written includes no explicit > provision for its own ratification. This omission makes it difficult > to evaluate competing proposals for ratification strategies. All we > have is 4.1's 'These Members are responsible for ratifying this > Constitution...'. 8.4 does not list ratification of Constitution as > an action type. We do have article IX, which states in part 'This > Constitution and its bylaws may be altered, amended, added to, or > repealed by an affirmative vote of a majority of the Members of > record...'. This seems to suggest that the affirmative vote of the > majority of Members of record, without regard for any 'nay' votes, > would be sufficient to ratify it as well. It would be, yes. In the absence of rule, parliamentary procedure prevails. The document did not exist formally until after it was ratified, so there isn't much point in placing the ratification procedure more formally than we have. A better way of thinking of it is that, even if we were to ignore the first ballot and assume it is ratified by act of CAB+Sun, then the Members as specified can change it just as effectively as they could ratify it. One could easily claim that they ratify it by the act agreeing to amend it. > I'm not opposed to combining these issues on the same ballot, provided > it's made clear that if the ratification proposition fails to pass: > > (a) The OGB election is inoperable, AND > (b) its results will not be published, AND > (c) Sun is not bound by them when selecting a new Initial OGB. > > Rationale: The people who might be elected to OGB seats under this > constitution may not be the same people who are or would be > well-suited to fill those seats under some other constitution, nor > under the Charter's Initial OGB provisions. Disclosing the results > could pollute future elections or improperly constrain Sun's choice of > members of a subsequent Initial OGB. Maybe in theory, but in reality either the constitution passes and the OGB is installed, or the constitution fails and there are no formal expectations laid on Sun to do anything. Future elections are inherently polluted by past elections, even if we don't know the result, and I think (given past experience) that Sun will welcome advice on who should draft a new constitution based on whatever community concerns are (finally) expressed. Given that Sun already did the advisory board style of appointed/elected once and we have reached the end of that process, repeating it again if the constitution fails to be ratified doesn't make any sense. The problem here is lack of input, lack of time, and zero correspondence between decisions and action. If we failed to draft a constitution that the community wants, then either the community needs to draft one that is acceptable or the community needs to give up the idea of self-governance. As such, failure to adopt the constitution should be seen as a desire to let "whoever the community elects as an OGB" work on the next one. There is no more representative way of selecting such a group. > However... given that the Second Initial OGB's term has expired, and > that the proposed constitution does not assign responsibility for the > conduct of OGB elections other than the implicit reservation to the > OGB itself, it seems logical that the Third Initial OGB must in fact > conduct both the ratification election and the first OGB election. > This implies that Sun must first appoint a Third Initial OGB, making > moot concerns over such an appointment subsequent to rejection of the > proposed constitution. Should ratification fail, that Third Initial > OGB would then retain responsibility for future proposals and > ratification. This is not an independent government. I think we are still the CAB and just advisory. The CAB approved the constitution in Draft 3. So did Sun. The CAB decided that the OGB elections can (and should) be run by Stephen's group at Sun. We made both decisions prior to our expiration. As such, we don't need to "exist as a body" until the next time someone wants the CAB/OGB to make a decision, which hopefully won't happen until after the ratification/election is complete. We don't need to install a temporary OGB. In any case, I think it is a waste of time to continue this discussion until there is some stated objection that might lead to ratification failure. It is very unlikely that the community would prefer the current ad-hoc way of setting its own procedures versus the very democratic process of changing them that is defined in the constitution. Stephen does, however, need to open nominations for the OGB election. ....Roy From sch at eng.sun.com Mon Jan 8 15:08:22 2007 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:08:22 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Core/contributors, 8 Jan Message-ID: <20070108230821.GA19362@eng.sun.com> I've received a few updates to the contributors list I sent out last week. Attached is an updated list; note that an individual cannot be a Contributor or Core Contributor if he or she is not registered on the opensolaris.org site. I have a couple of scripts that assist me in searching for registrations, but the best approach is if leads validate that the lists they submit are accurate and complete. (Compatibly formatted would be great, too.) I've also received a few questions about the bootstrap procedure: there is no question that the initial leads selected were based on informal criteria, and that the discussions about who's a contributor and where is a potentially difficult one. Please take the discussions seriously; if there is a particularly difficult issue, please bring it to the Governing Board's attention--either to this alias, or to an individual member. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ -------------- next part -------------- academic contributor joe.g driving edu engagement in India academic contributor moinakg driving edu engagement in India, Belenix creator academic contributor patrickf previous community leader and core contributor academic core joey drove curriculum effort in China, Starter Kit translation academic core michelle wrote curriculum guide, key Starter Kit contributor academic core teresag community leader approach contributor anay significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor anupcs significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor bustos significant contributor to NWAM project discussions 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edgould arc core glenn arc core gww arc core jek3 arc core kais arc core plocher arc core sommerfe arc core tpm brandz contributor ahl Adam Leventhal developed the BrandZ DTrace and ptrace support brandz contributor hannken Juergen Hannken-Illjes has contributed a number of bugfixes to BrandZ. brandz contributor jcm Jerri-Ann Meyer is the engineering manager for BrandZ brandz contributor kirk Kirk Wells is the program manager for BrandZ brandz core edp Ed Pilatowicz owns all the BrandZ device support brandz core kucharsk Bill Kucharski owns the BrandZ installation support, as well as everything to do with signals. brandz core nilsn Nils Nieuwejaar is the technical lead for BrandZ brandz core rab Russ Blaine owns all BrandZ work related to linking and debugging cab contributor benr cab contributor sch cab contributor wesolows cab core alhopper cab core casper cab core fielding cab core rich cab core webmink desktop contributor calumb Calum Benson desktop contributor drdoug Doug Scott 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Laurent is the French group leader and actively maintains the French group. i18n core thiguchi Takaaki is the Japanese group leader and actively maintains the Japanese group. i18n core vinny Vinny is the Portuguese Brazil leader and actively maintains the Portuguese Brazil group. i18n core yjsong Young is a community leader and tries to contribute in various areas and aspects of the community. immigrants contributor tdh Authoring and blogging about OpenSolaris and Solaris for newcomers. immigrants core ahl Initial core contributor. immigrants core benr Presently leading community. install contributor Bart Smaalders install contributor James Falkner install contributor Matt Williamson install contributor Mike Gerdts install core Dave Miner install core Ethan Quach install core Glenn Lagasse install core James Carlson install core Jan Damborsky install core Mary Ding install core Peter Tribble install core Sanjay Nadkarni install core Sarah Jelinek install core Sundar Yamunachari install 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Mahesh on core ags on core ahl on core ahrens on core artem on core barts on core batschul on core billt on core bmc on core bonwick on core bubbva on core bw on core casper on core cindi on core comay on core cwb on core damico on core dduvall on core dep on core djl on core dmick on core eshrock on core exodus on core frits on core gavinm on core jbeck on core jg on core jhd on core johnz on core kupfer on core lclee on core maybee on core mikechr on core minh on core mjnelson on core mws on core nickto on core nilsn on core petede on core peteh on core raf on core sch on core sdussud on core sethg on core shao on core shepler on core tpm on core wendyp performance core akolb Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core andrei Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core barts Contributor in many areas of performance characterization and improvement. performance core dp Contributes to many areas of OpenSolaris. performance core esaxe Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core jjc Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core mpogue Experienced in the area of Kernel Performance. performance core rmc Contributor in many areas of performance characterization and improvement. ppc contributor bbrv active in forum ppc contributor bochnig source contributor, active in forum ppc contributor cjs supports Polaris Wiki, active in forum ppc contributor joerg active in forum ppc contributor kmays active in forum ppc contributor kucharsk technical info provider ppc contributor mwsealey active in forum ppc contributor nerant source contributor, active in forum ppc contributor svenl active in forum ppc contributor szhou Shudong Zhou active in forum ppc contributor yanyh source contributor, active in forum ppc core ahl original leader, was active in forum ppc core dclarke hosts Polaris site, original organizer, ppc core imp leads community contribution, active in forum ppc core rarebit leads SunLabs contribution and overall port effort security contributor danmcd Dan McDonald security contributor markfen Mark Fenwick security contributor pwernau Paul Wernau security contributor sommerfeld Bill Sommerfeld smf contrib arushi04 doc and help contributor smf contrib bnsmb doc contributor (FAQ) smf contrib dminer help and code contributor smf contrib fourctom code contributor smf contrib hshaw code contributor smf contrib jeanm code contributor smf contrib jkeil code contributor smf contrib kathy doc and help contributor smf contrib nico help contributor smf contrib richlowe code contributor smf contrib yannouch code contributor smf core bustos doc, help, code contributor and project lead smf core dep doc, help, code contributor and project lead smf core jwadams doc, help, and code contributor smf core lianep doc, help, and code contributor smf core sch doc, help, and code contributor test contributor jleser John supports opensolaris testing test contributor michaelb discussions, UG meetings test contributor robj discussion, blogs and UG meetings test contributor seanmcg performance discussions, blogs and UG meetings test core fintanr Fintan leads performance test areas and part of self-service team test core jwalker Jim leads testing and does discussions, blogs and UG meetings test core timf Tim is a big contributor: discussions, blogs and UG meetings tools contrib casper cscope-fast contribution; SCM (esp. Teamware) knowledge tools contrib comay multiple bfu contributions tools contrib danmcd multiple tools putbacks (crypto) tools contrib dmick multiple tools contributions tools contrib dp multiple contributions tools contrib eschrock multiple tools contributions tools contrib girishl multiple tools contributions (sun4v support) tools contrib jg multiple tools contributions tools contrib johnz crypto tools expert tools contrib jwadams multiple tools contributions tools contrib lclee multiple bfu contributions tools contrib rab multiple contributions tools contrib richlowe bfu and build contributions tools contrib robinson multiple bfu contributions tools contrib rorth multiple contributions to tools and other areas tools contrib semery multiple bfu contributions tools contrib sherrym multiple tools contributions tools contrib simmonmt part of original CTF team tools contrib szhou multiple tools contributions tools contrib tucker contribution to bfu and crypto tool handling tools contrib willf multiple contributions to wx tools core alanbur responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core ali Developer of link-editing technology, related tools, and associated documentation. tools core darrenm crypto tools expert tools core dduvall ON gatekeeper tools core fvdl responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core garypen responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core johnlev multiple ctf contributions tools core kupfer responsible for current opensolaris build infrastructure tools core meem multiple tools contributions; strong cleanliness proponent tools core mike_s long-time expert on the build tools core mjnelson onnv tech lead tools core petede Nevada assistant tech lead tools core raf CRT advocate covering the build tools core rie Developer of link-editing technology, related tools, and associated documentation. tools core sch responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core setje newboot expert tools core sommerfeld multiple contributions; strong cleanliness proponent tools core stevel responsible for current opensolaris build infrastructure, SCM tools core wesolows responsible for the shadow build infrastructure, gcc usergroup contributor sriramn Sriram has been a very active contributor in the BOSUG mailing list usergroup core a.sundar Chennai OSUG A. Sundararajan usergroup core aalok Alok Aggarwal ATLOSUG contributor & Solaris developer usergroup core adam_Z Adam Zhang started and runs Shanghai User Group. usergroup core akolb Alexander Kolbasov leader in the MOSUG usergroup core aland Alan Duboff started and runs the SVOSUG usergroup core aland Silicon Valley OSUG Alan DuBoff usergroup core alanh Alan Hargreaves started and runs the SOSUG. usergroup core alanh Sydney OSUG Alan Hargreaves usergroup core andrei Moscow OSUG Andrei Dorofeev usergroup core Ashok Ashok Kumar Gupta Madurai OSUG member usergroup core asyd Bruno Bonfils leader of the FOSUG usergroup core bgregg Brendan Gregg Repeat Presentor and DTrace Guru, SOSUG usergroup core bm91119 Bart Muijzer started and runs NLOSUG usergroup core boyd Boyd Adamson presenter, SOSUG usergroup core bubli Czech OSUG Katarina Machalkova usergroup core casper Casper Dik runs NLOSUG usergroup core cerveny Czech OSUG Martin Cerveny usergroup core che Asche Kristo Driving force to the formation of the SOSUG usergroup core codelion Asankhaya Sharma started and runs the NITW opensolaris group usergroup core codelion Warangal NIT OSUG Asankhaya Sharma usergroup core davemq Austin OSUG Dave Marquardt usergroup core dickson Atlanta OSUG Scott Dickson usergroup core dickson Scott Dickson leader of the ATLOSUG usergroup core e1_sun Iwan Rahabok leader of the Singapore OSUG. usergroup core eggboy Jay Lee started and leads the KOSUG usergroup core elowe Eric Lowe coordinated and has spoken at the Austin OSUG usergroup core ericb Eric Boutilier contributes to the UG community, started the GLUG usergroup core ericb Great Lakes OSUG Eric Boutilier usergroup core fintanr Fintan Ryan IEOSUG leader, OS test usergroup core fintanr Irish OSUG Fintan Ryan usergroup core flip SVOSUG Phillip "Flip" Russell usergroup core forrest Beijing OSUG Jun-Chao Forrest Wu usergroup core ghreyes Gustavo Reyes contributes heavily to the AOSUG usergroup core ginnie Front Rage OSUG Ginnie Wray usergroup core ginnie Virginia Wray started and runs the FROSUG usergroup core gmack Gregg Mackenzie involved in FROSUG usergroup core grahadea Grahadea Kusuf started and runs OSUG-Indonesia usergroup core gwilson George Wilson ATLOSUG leader usergroup core hsaltiel Argentina OSUG Hern?n Saltiel usergroup core hsaltiel Hern?n Saltiel started and runs Argentine AOSUG usergroup core iktorn Victor Latushkin leader in the MOSUG usergroup core imp Israel OSUG Cyril Plisko usergroup core jclulow Joshua Clulow consistantly present in #opensolaris for SOSUG usergroup core jco Swiss OSUG Javier Conde usergroup core jjj Joep Vesseur runs NLOSUG usergroup core jmcp James McPherson Repeat Presenter, SOSUG usergroup core jonb FROSUG Jon Bowman usergroup core jonb Jon Bowman started and runs FROSUG usergroup core jurikm Milan Jurik Czech OSUG leader usergroup core jurikm Czech OSUG Milan Jurik usergroup core jwalker Jim Walker started and involved in FROSUG usergroup core kavit Kavit Munshi Presenter and early Driver, SOSUG usergroup core kjelle Kjell H?gstr?m started and runs SWOSUG usergroup core kjelle Sweden OSUG Kjell H?gstr?m usergroup core kjy02i Roger Kim KOSUG member usergroup core km103805 Swiss OSUG Karim Mazouni usergroup core knoche Bill Knoche involved in FROSUG usergroup core laurent French OSUG Laurent Blume usergroup core laurent Laurent Blume FOSUG leader usergroup core lisagab FROSUG Lisa M. Week usergroup core lisagab Lisa Week started and runs the FROSUG usergroup core lkr New England OSUG Laura Ramsey usergroup core lxf Xinfeng Liu started and runs Shanghai User Group. usergroup core macrae Adhari C Mahendra runs OSUG-Indonesia usergroup core matty Ryan Matteson open source contributor and active in ATLOSUG usergroup core mcerveny Martin Cerveny Czech OSUG leader usergroup core Mdavemq Dave Marquardt helped set up and run the Austin OSUG usergroup core mmman Czech OSUG Martin Man usergroup core mmman Martin Man Czech OSUG leader usergroup core moinakg Moinak is the lead developer of the BeleniX OpenSolaris distro usergroup core mwaterl FROSUG Moriah Waterland usergroup core mwaterl Moriah Waterland started and runs FROSUG usergroup core mwolfe Raleigh OSUG Michael Wolfe usergroup core nathank Nathan Kroenert Presenter, SOSUG usergroup core nerant Jeremy Teo contributes to the Singapore OSUG usergroup core nino German OSUG Nenad Cimerman usergroup core ofsen Turkey OSUG Omer Faruk Sen usergroup core oliver Beijing OSUG Oliver Yang usergroup core patrickf Patrick Finch patrickf, runs NLOSUG. usergroup core pbg New England OSUG Peter Baer Galvin usergroup core petervg Peter van Gemer runs NLOSUG usergroup core pgomez1 Venezuela OSUG Pedro Gomez usergroup core praveen Praveen Krishnamoorthy started and runs Madurai OSUG usergroup core pwl Peter Lees early driver, SOSUG usergroup core ravisank Ravisankar Balaji Madurai OSUG member usergroup core remcof Remco Fug runs NLOSUG usergroup core samf FROSUG Sam L. Falkner usergroup core samf Sam Falkner started and runs FROSUG usergroup core sarad Austin OSUG Sara Dornsife usergroup core sarad Sara Dornsife got the Austin OSUG going. usergroup core seanmcg Sean McGrath IEOSUG contributor extraordinaire, OS test usergroup core sep Russia OSUG Sergei Pikalev usergroup core shambles Sean Sprague leads the LOSUG. usergroup core skamm Susan Kamm-Worrell runs FROSUG usergroup core sqliang Singapore OSUG Seng-Quee Liang usergroup core subhash Hyderabad OSUG Subhash Singh Thakur usergroup core thiguchi Nihon Sun UG Takaaki Higuchi usergroup core timf Tim Foster IEOSUG leader, marketing wannabe, zfs fan, OS test usergroup core tunla Lars Tunkrans runs SWOSUG usergroup core twest Tom West involved in FROSUG usergroup core ulf London OSUG Ulf Andreasson usergroup core venkytv Bangalore OSUG Venky TV usergroup core venkytv Venkateshwara TV leader of the BOSUG usergroup core victor Beijing OSUG Di-Li Victor Hu zfs core ahrens Initial core contributor zfs core billm Initial core contributor zfs core bonwick Initial core contributor zfs core chua Initial core contributor zfs core cindys Initial core contributor zfs core dp Initial core contributor zfs core eschrock Initial core contributor zfs core goo Initial core contributor zfs core lalt Initial core contributor zfs core marks Initial core contributor zfs core maybee Initial core contributor zfs core ndellofa Initial core contributor zfs core perrin Initial core contributor zfs core tabriz Initial core contributor zones contrib jeffv Jeff Victor is a frequent and valuable contributor to the zones community zones contributor mgerdts Community contributor to zones development zones contributor pcotten Technical writer for zones zones contributor richlowe Community contributor to zones development zones core allan Allan McKillop is the engineering manager for zones zones core annt Ann Togasaki is the program manager for zones zones core comay David Comay is the technical lead for zones zones core dp Dan Price is a senior engineer working on zones zones core gjelinek Jerry Jelinek is a senior engineer working on zones zones core stevelaw Steve Lawrence is an engineer working on resource management, which has direct relationship with the zones community. From sch at eng.sun.com Mon Jan 8 15:13:13 2007 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:13:13 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Core/contributors, 8 Jan (update) Message-ID: <20070108231313.GA19429@eng.sun.com> Of course, I missed a Community Group. (Sorry, X.) Updated version attached. -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ -------------- next part -------------- academic contributor joe.g driving edu engagement in India academic contributor moinakg driving edu engagement in India, Belenix creator academic contributor patrickf previous community leader and core contributor academic core joey drove curriculum effort in China, Starter Kit translation academic core michelle wrote curriculum guide, key Starter Kit contributor academic core teresag community leader approach contributor anay significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor anupcs significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor bustos significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor carlsonj significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor darrenm significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor davidjon significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor dminer significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor kcpoon significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor lianep significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor meem significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor mph significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor okie significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor sfbiggar significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach contributor xzh significant contributor to NWAM project discussions approach core jbeck project leader for NWAM project discussions arc contributor ahl arc contributor ahrens arc contributor alanh arc contributor alanp arc contributor alecm arc contributor alib arc contributor anish arc contributor artem arc contributor asano arc contributor barts arc contributor blu arc contributor bonwick arc contributor by38662 arc contributor calum arc contributor casper arc contributor ceci.hu arc contributor cindi arc contributor cth arc contributor darrenr arc contributor dchieu arc contributor dp arc contributor is arc contributor jbeck arc contributor jg arc contributor jhf arc contributor johnz arc contributor kupfer arc contributor lianep arc contributor mahaines arc contributor maybee arc contributor meem arc contributor mws arc contributor petede arc contributor pgdh arc contributor raf arc contributor randyf arc contributor rie arc contributor sarito arc contributor sch arc contributor seb arc contributor song arc contributor speer arc contributor taylor arc contributor tcm arc contributor tsk arc contributor wendy.phillips arc contributor wyllys arc core carlsonj arc core edgould arc core glenn arc core gww arc core jek3 arc core kais arc core plocher arc core sommerfe arc core tpm brandz contributor ahl Adam Leventhal developed the BrandZ DTrace and ptrace support brandz contributor hannken Juergen Hannken-Illjes has contributed a number of bugfixes to BrandZ. brandz contributor jcm Jerri-Ann Meyer is the engineering manager for BrandZ brandz contributor kirk Kirk Wells is the program manager for BrandZ brandz core edp Ed Pilatowicz owns all the BrandZ device support brandz core kucharsk Bill Kucharski owns the BrandZ installation support, as well as everything to do with signals. brandz core nilsn Nils Nieuwejaar is the technical lead for BrandZ brandz core rab Russ Blaine owns all BrandZ work related to linking and debugging cab contributor benr cab contributor sch cab contributor wesolows cab core alhopper cab core casper cab core fielding cab core rich cab core webmink desktop contributor calumb Calum Benson desktop contributor drdoug Doug Scott desktop contributor justinc Justin Conover desktop contributor kmays Ken Mays desktop contributor steleman Stefan Teleman desktop core dcarbery Damien Carbery desktop core dermot Dermot McCluskey desktop core dkenny Darren Kenny desktop core gman Glynn Foster desktop core laca Laca Peter desktop core yippi Brian Cameron documentation contributor alta Alta Elstad provided the Device Driver Tutorial as open source and is a leader of the Device Driver community documentation contributor cindys Cindy Swearingen provided the ZFS ADmin Guide as open source and is a leader of the ZFS community documentation contributor dlindt David Lindt contributed feedback on community direction and helps laision for docs between SDN and OpenSolaris documentation contributor frankho Frank Hoffman contributed Crashdump analysis book and aggregate of blogs about filesystem development documentation contributor gherteg Glenn Herteg contibuted How To Setup OpenSolaris with Yahoo DSL and feedback on IPFilter docs and code impl documentation contributor ginnie Ginnie Wray contributed content for the original Big Doc List and an install tech talk documentation contributor layne Layne Ethington contributed nfsmapid description for community review documentation contributor linnea Linnea Wickstrom has contributed feedback and suggestions on the web site design documentation contributor markb Mark Brundege developed the tool to convert Solbook to DocBook documentation contributor mickm Michael Monaghan contributed tools and design to convert the global glossary to a wikipedia documentation contributor mws Mike Shapiro provided the Dynamic Tracing Guide as open source and is a leader of the DTrace community documentation contributor sbrucker Stephanie Brucker has addressed community feedback on IPFilter docs and is a leader of Quagga project documentation contributor wesolows Keith Wesolowski contributed the OpenSolaris Developer's reference guide as open source documentation core benr Ben Rockwood has created the wiki and source repository for our community along with defining direction of tools documentation core bgregg Brendan Gregg has contributed several documents and leadership on direction of the Docs community documentation core elowe Eric Lowe has provided conversion tools and engineering expertise to help provide books as open source documentation core rheilke Rainer Heilke has provided consistently helpful feedback on writing guidelines and developed a quick start documentation core sweber Sue Weber has defined the roadmap and worked closely with legal to determine licensing practices dtrace core ahl Initial core contributor dtrace core bgregg Initial core contributor dtrace core bmc Initial core contributor dtrace core mws Initial core contributor fm contributor eschrock Eric Schrock fm contributor sethg Seth Goldberg fm contributor wesolows Keith Wesolowski fm core cindi Cindi McGuire fm core cwb Chris Beal fm core gavinm Gavin Maltby fm core mws Mike Shapiro fm core robj Rob Johnston fm core stephh Steve Hanson i18n contributor brig Brigitte contributed French localization style guide for the French group and active in the French group. i18n contributor by38662 Brian is the leader of Chinese groups. i18n contributor cerveny Martin is the Czech group leader. i18n contributor csj J\341nos is the Hugarian group leader. i18n contributor jayaradh Jayaradha is the leader of Indic groups. i18n contributor mayoral Luis is the Spanish group leader. i18n contributor rrabadan Ruben contributed Latin American keyboard layout files and other necessary changes. i18n contributor ss39446 Siva contributed Tamil UTF-8 locale to the community. i18n contributor suresh Suresh is the Malayalam group leader. i18n contributor tifeo Daniele is the Italian group leader. i18n contributor tonyn Tony is the Vietnamese group leader. i18n core is Ienup is a community leader and tries to contribute in various areas and aspects of the community. i18n core laurent Laurent is the French group leader and actively maintains the French group. i18n core thiguchi Takaaki is the Japanese group leader and actively maintains the Japanese group. i18n core vinny Vinny is the Portuguese Brazil leader and actively maintains the Portuguese Brazil group. i18n core yjsong Young is a community leader and tries to contribute in various areas and aspects of the community. immigrants contributor tdh Authoring and blogging about OpenSolaris and Solaris for newcomers. immigrants core ahl Initial core contributor. immigrants core benr Presently leading community. install contributor Bart Smaalders install contributor James Falkner install contributor Matt Williamson install contributor Mike Gerdts install core Dave Miner install core Ethan Quach install core Glenn Lagasse install core James Carlson install core Jan Damborsky install core Mary Ding install core Peter Tribble install core Sanjay Nadkarni install core Sarah Jelinek install core Sundar Yamunachari install core Susan Sohn install core Tim Knitter install core Vassili Igouchkine install core William Schumann marketing contributor bonnie on all calls, great reviewer, helps to balance mktg with eng requirements marketing contributor richteer another voice of the community and willing reviewer on docs and proposals marketing contributor spp Stephen is always willing to offer input on mktg activities marketing core benr voice of community a lot for mktg ideas marketing core lkr healthy participator in conversations and proposals marketing core patrickf bi-weekly stats contributions, conversation on list marketing core sarad community lead marketing core teresag Community support and integration with other communities marketing core timf offers all sorts of help and input and support mdb core ahl mdb core eschrock mdb core johnlev mdb core mws mdb core simmonmt network contributor carlsonj numerous contributions to various community discussions network contributor carolg provided various important support to the community and the Crossbow project network contributor danmcd multiple contributions to various discussions, submitted design docs for review network contributor darrenr multiple contributions to IPFilter and other design reviews network contributor dme significant contributions to community discussions network contributor kais contributed to various discussions of the community and Crossbow project network contributor nordmark several contributions to various discussions of the networking community and Crossbow project network contributor rshoaib numerous contributions to various community discussions network contributor seb significant contributions to Clearview project and other discussions, submitted design docs for review network contributor yun significant contributions to discussions, submitted design docs for review network core meem numerous contributions to discussions, lead of Clearview project network core ndroux numerous contributions to various discussions, active co-leader of the Nemo and Crossbow projects network core sunay active co-leader of the Crossbow project, significant contributions of architecture documents to the community networking contributor danmcd Dan McDonald networking contributor markfen Mark Fenwick networking contributor pwernau Paul Wernau networking contributor sommerfeld Bill Sommerfeld nfs core robert_gordon Robert Gordon nfs core shepler Spencer Shepler nfs core siddheshwar Siddheshwar V. Mahesh on core ags on core ahl on core ahrens on core artem on core barts on core batschul on core billt on core bmc on core bonwick on core bubbva on core bw on core casper on core cindi on core comay on core cwb on core damico on core dduvall on core dep on core djl on core dmick on core eshrock on core exodus on core frits on core gavinm on core jbeck on core jg on core jhd on core johnz on core kupfer on core lclee on core maybee on core mikechr on core minh on core mjnelson on core mws on core nickto on core nilsn on core petede on core peteh on core raf on core sch on core sdussud on core sethg on core shao on core shepler on core tpm on core wendyp performance core akolb Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core andrei Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core barts Contributor in many areas of performance characterization and improvement. performance core dp Contributes to many areas of OpenSolaris. performance core esaxe Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core jjc Expert in the areas of CMT, MPO, scheduling, et.al. performance core mpogue Experienced in the area of Kernel Performance. performance core rmc Contributor in many areas of performance characterization and improvement. ppc contributor bbrv active in forum ppc contributor bochnig source contributor, active in forum ppc contributor cjs supports Polaris Wiki, active in forum ppc contributor joerg active in forum ppc contributor kmays active in forum ppc contributor kucharsk technical info provider ppc contributor mwsealey active in forum ppc contributor nerant source contributor, active in forum ppc contributor svenl active in forum ppc contributor szhou Shudong Zhou active in forum ppc contributor yanyh source contributor, active in forum ppc core ahl original leader, was active in forum ppc core dclarke hosts Polaris site, original organizer, ppc core imp leads community contribution, active in forum ppc core rarebit leads SunLabs contribution and overall port effort security contributor danmcd Dan McDonald security contributor markfen Mark Fenwick security contributor pwernau Paul Wernau security contributor sommerfeld Bill Sommerfeld smf contrib arushi04 doc and help contributor smf contrib bnsmb doc contributor (FAQ) smf contrib dminer help and code contributor smf contrib fourctom code contributor smf contrib hshaw code contributor smf contrib jeanm code contributor smf contrib jkeil code contributor smf contrib kathy doc and help contributor smf contrib nico help contributor smf contrib richlowe code contributor smf contrib yannouch code contributor smf core bustos doc, help, code contributor and project lead smf core dep doc, help, code contributor and project lead smf core jwadams doc, help, and code contributor smf core lianep doc, help, and code contributor smf core sch doc, help, and code contributor test contributor jleser John supports opensolaris testing test contributor michaelb discussions, UG meetings test contributor robj discussion, blogs and UG meetings test contributor seanmcg performance discussions, blogs and UG meetings test core fintanr Fintan leads performance test areas and part of self-service team test core jwalker Jim leads testing and does discussions, blogs and UG meetings test core timf Tim is a big contributor: discussions, blogs and UG meetings tools contrib casper cscope-fast contribution; SCM (esp. Teamware) knowledge tools contrib comay multiple bfu contributions tools contrib danmcd multiple tools putbacks (crypto) tools contrib dmick multiple tools contributions tools contrib dp multiple contributions tools contrib eschrock multiple tools contributions tools contrib girishl multiple tools contributions (sun4v support) tools contrib jg multiple tools contributions tools contrib johnz crypto tools expert tools contrib jwadams multiple tools contributions tools contrib lclee multiple bfu contributions tools contrib rab multiple contributions tools contrib richlowe bfu and build contributions tools contrib robinson multiple bfu contributions tools contrib rorth multiple contributions to tools and other areas tools contrib semery multiple bfu contributions tools contrib sherrym multiple tools contributions tools contrib simmonmt part of original CTF team tools contrib szhou multiple tools contributions tools contrib tucker contribution to bfu and crypto tool handling tools contrib willf multiple contributions to wx tools core alanbur responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core ali Developer of link-editing technology, related tools, and associated documentation. tools core darrenm crypto tools expert tools core dduvall ON gatekeeper tools core fvdl responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core garypen responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core johnlev multiple ctf contributions tools core kupfer responsible for current opensolaris build infrastructure tools core meem multiple tools contributions; strong cleanliness proponent tools core mike_s long-time expert on the build tools core mjnelson onnv tech lead tools core petede Nevada assistant tech lead tools core raf CRT advocate covering the build tools core rie Developer of link-editing technology, related tools, and associated documentation. tools core sch responsible for SCM infrastructure tools core setje newboot expert tools core sommerfeld multiple contributions; strong cleanliness proponent tools core stevel responsible for current opensolaris build infrastructure, SCM tools core wesolows responsible for the shadow build infrastructure, gcc usergroup contributor sriramn Sriram has been a very active contributor in the BOSUG mailing list usergroup core a.sundar Chennai OSUG A. Sundararajan usergroup core aalok Alok Aggarwal ATLOSUG contributor & Solaris developer usergroup core adam_Z Adam Zhang started and runs Shanghai User Group. usergroup core akolb Alexander Kolbasov leader in the MOSUG usergroup core aland Alan Duboff started and runs the SVOSUG usergroup core aland Silicon Valley OSUG Alan DuBoff usergroup core alanh Alan Hargreaves started and runs the SOSUG. usergroup core alanh Sydney OSUG Alan Hargreaves usergroup core andrei Moscow OSUG Andrei Dorofeev usergroup core Ashok Ashok Kumar Gupta Madurai OSUG member usergroup core asyd Bruno Bonfils leader of the FOSUG usergroup core bgregg Brendan Gregg Repeat Presentor and DTrace Guru, SOSUG usergroup core bm91119 Bart Muijzer started and runs NLOSUG usergroup core boyd Boyd Adamson presenter, SOSUG usergroup core bubli Czech OSUG Katarina Machalkova usergroup core casper Casper Dik runs NLOSUG usergroup core cerveny Czech OSUG Martin Cerveny usergroup core che Asche Kristo Driving force to the formation of the SOSUG usergroup core codelion Asankhaya Sharma started and runs the NITW opensolaris group usergroup core codelion Warangal NIT OSUG Asankhaya Sharma usergroup core davemq Austin OSUG Dave Marquardt usergroup core dickson Atlanta OSUG Scott Dickson usergroup core dickson Scott Dickson leader of the ATLOSUG usergroup core e1_sun Iwan Rahabok leader of the Singapore OSUG. usergroup core eggboy Jay Lee started and leads the KOSUG usergroup core elowe Eric Lowe coordinated and has spoken at the Austin OSUG usergroup core ericb Eric Boutilier contributes to the UG community, started the GLUG usergroup core ericb Great Lakes OSUG Eric Boutilier usergroup core fintanr Fintan Ryan IEOSUG leader, OS test usergroup core fintanr Irish OSUG Fintan Ryan usergroup core flip SVOSUG Phillip "Flip" Russell usergroup core forrest Beijing OSUG Jun-Chao Forrest Wu usergroup core ghreyes Gustavo Reyes contributes heavily to the AOSUG usergroup core ginnie Front Rage OSUG Ginnie Wray usergroup core ginnie Virginia Wray started and runs the FROSUG usergroup core gmack Gregg Mackenzie involved in FROSUG usergroup core grahadea Grahadea Kusuf started and runs OSUG-Indonesia usergroup core gwilson George Wilson ATLOSUG leader usergroup core hsaltiel Argentina OSUG Hern?n Saltiel usergroup core hsaltiel Hern?n Saltiel started and runs Argentine AOSUG usergroup core iktorn Victor Latushkin leader in the MOSUG usergroup core imp Israel OSUG Cyril Plisko usergroup core jclulow Joshua Clulow consistantly present in #opensolaris for SOSUG usergroup core jco Swiss OSUG Javier Conde usergroup core jjj Joep Vesseur runs NLOSUG usergroup core jmcp James McPherson Repeat Presenter, SOSUG usergroup core jonb FROSUG Jon Bowman usergroup core jonb Jon Bowman started and runs FROSUG usergroup core jurikm Milan Jurik Czech OSUG leader usergroup core jurikm Czech OSUG Milan Jurik usergroup core jwalker Jim Walker started and involved in FROSUG usergroup core kavit Kavit Munshi Presenter and early Driver, SOSUG usergroup core kjelle Kjell H?gstr?m started and runs SWOSUG usergroup core kjelle Sweden OSUG Kjell H?gstr?m usergroup core kjy02i Roger Kim KOSUG member usergroup core km103805 Swiss OSUG Karim Mazouni usergroup core knoche Bill Knoche involved in FROSUG usergroup core laurent French OSUG Laurent Blume usergroup core laurent Laurent Blume FOSUG leader usergroup core lisagab FROSUG Lisa M. Week usergroup core lisagab Lisa Week started and runs the FROSUG usergroup core lkr New England OSUG Laura Ramsey usergroup core lxf Xinfeng Liu started and runs Shanghai User Group. usergroup core macrae Adhari C Mahendra runs OSUG-Indonesia usergroup core matty Ryan Matteson open source contributor and active in ATLOSUG usergroup core mcerveny Martin Cerveny Czech OSUG leader usergroup core Mdavemq Dave Marquardt helped set up and run the Austin OSUG usergroup core mmman Czech OSUG Martin Man usergroup core mmman Martin Man Czech OSUG leader usergroup core moinakg Moinak is the lead developer of the BeleniX OpenSolaris distro usergroup core mwaterl FROSUG Moriah Waterland usergroup core mwaterl Moriah Waterland started and runs FROSUG usergroup core mwolfe Raleigh OSUG Michael Wolfe usergroup core nathank Nathan Kroenert Presenter, SOSUG usergroup core nerant Jeremy Teo contributes to the Singapore OSUG usergroup core nino German OSUG Nenad Cimerman usergroup core ofsen Turkey OSUG Omer Faruk Sen usergroup core oliver Beijing OSUG Oliver Yang usergroup core patrickf Patrick Finch patrickf, runs NLOSUG. usergroup core pbg New England OSUG Peter Baer Galvin usergroup core petervg Peter van Gemer runs NLOSUG usergroup core pgomez1 Venezuela OSUG Pedro Gomez usergroup core praveen Praveen Krishnamoorthy started and runs Madurai OSUG usergroup core pwl Peter Lees early driver, SOSUG usergroup core ravisank Ravisankar Balaji Madurai OSUG member usergroup core remcof Remco Fug runs NLOSUG usergroup core samf FROSUG Sam L. Falkner usergroup core samf Sam Falkner started and runs FROSUG usergroup core sarad Austin OSUG Sara Dornsife usergroup core sarad Sara Dornsife got the Austin OSUG going. usergroup core seanmcg Sean McGrath IEOSUG contributor extraordinaire, OS test usergroup core sep Russia OSUG Sergei Pikalev usergroup core shambles Sean Sprague leads the LOSUG. usergroup core skamm Susan Kamm-Worrell runs FROSUG usergroup core sqliang Singapore OSUG Seng-Quee Liang usergroup core subhash Hyderabad OSUG Subhash Singh Thakur usergroup core thiguchi Nihon Sun UG Takaaki Higuchi usergroup core timf Tim Foster IEOSUG leader, marketing wannabe, zfs fan, OS test usergroup core tunla Lars Tunkrans runs SWOSUG usergroup core twest Tom West involved in FROSUG usergroup core ulf London OSUG Ulf Andreasson usergroup core venkytv Bangalore OSUG Venky TV usergroup core venkytv Venkateshwara TV leader of the BOSUG usergroup core victor Beijing OSUG Di-Li Victor Hu x core alanc (Alan Coopersmith) x core jacotton (Jay Cotton) x core skk (Stuart Kreitman) zfs core ahrens Initial core contributor zfs core billm Initial core contributor zfs core bonwick Initial core contributor zfs core chua Initial core contributor zfs core cindys Initial core contributor zfs core dp Initial core contributor zfs core eschrock Initial core contributor zfs core goo Initial core contributor zfs core lalt Initial core contributor zfs core marks Initial core contributor zfs core maybee Initial core contributor zfs core ndellofa Initial core contributor zfs core perrin Initial core contributor zfs core tabriz Initial core contributor zones contrib jeffv Jeff Victor is a frequent and valuable contributor to the zones community zones contributor mgerdts Community contributor to zones development zones contributor pcotten Technical writer for zones zones contributor richlowe Community contributor to zones development zones core allan Allan McKillop is the engineering manager for zones zones core annt Ann Togasaki is the program manager for zones zones core comay David Comay is the technical lead for zones zones core dp Dan Price is a senior engineer working on zones zones core gjelinek Jerry Jelinek is a senior engineer working on zones zones core stevelaw Steve Lawrence is an engineer working on resource management, which has direct relationship with the zones community. From benr at cuddletech.com Wed Jan 10 12:11:57 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:11:57 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Con-Call Schedule? Message-ID: <45A5488D.7020001@cuddletech.com> What is the schedule for OGB activity this month? The last mention of a call was 1/2/07 Al's reply to the "Constitution approved and signed", but there is no evidence that the call occurred. In fact there is no evidence of calls since November 1st. I called in and hung on the line for 10 mins just in case, but no one showed. benr. From sch at eng.sun.com Wed Jan 10 13:02:40 2007 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:02:40 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Con-Call Schedule? In-Reply-To: <45A5488D.7020001@cuddletech.com> References: <45A5488D.7020001@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <20070110210239.GA1843@eng.sun.com> * Ben Rockwood [2007-01-10 12:18]: > What is the schedule for OGB activity this month? The last mention of > a call was 1/2/07 Al's reply to the "Constitution approved and signed", > but there is no evidence that the call occurred. In fact there is no > evidence of calls since November 1st. I called in and hung on the line > for 10 mins just in case, but no one showed. There was a call, on the standard number, last Wednesday, with Al, Rich, Simon, and myself. Basically I came away with a bunch of actions to handle: - Finalize initial core/contributors list, which I am currently doing. Feedback on this process is causing some concern among community members. - Propose schedule for community ratification, candidate nominations, and election. This is pending, partially on some of the feedback from the initial list and partially because I think the interim OGB members are spread out across a wide range of positions on how we should proceed. Perhaps I am being overcautious. - Set up logistics for a vote. I'll be doing this with the website development project, over on website-discuss. We have the Apache and GNOME software as starting points. It would be great to hear folks' ideas on how to speed things along, or even additional opinions on how to handle candidate nominations, any kind of expectation about candidacy statements or campaigning--are there such things are IRC debates?--and so forth. Otherwise, I'll just keep at it--just with more frequent status reports, I guess. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From stephen.harpster at sun.com Mon Jan 22 12:06:09 2007 From: stephen.harpster at sun.com (Stephen Harpster) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:06:09 PST Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension Message-ID: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like to extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the upcoming constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that and will that be enough time to hold the election? This message posted from opensolaris.org From al at logical-approach.com Mon Jan 22 15:57:16 2007 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:57:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: > Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like to > extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the upcoming > constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that and will that > be enough time to hold the election? Thank you Stephen. I'll try my best to get the election up and running before this deadline. It's time for a new CAB/OGB for OpenSolaris IMHO. The sooner the better.... Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 From webmink at sun.com Mon Jan 22 16:17:59 2007 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:17:59 +0000 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2007, at 23:57, Al Hopper wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: > >> Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like to >> extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the >> upcoming >> constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that and will >> that >> be enough time to hold the election? > > Thank you Stephen. I'll try my best to get the election up and > running > before this deadline. It's time for a new CAB/OGB for OpenSolaris > IMHO. > The sooner the better.... I agree. Do we have the necessary software in place on OpenSolaris.org to support this? S. From sch at eng.sun.com Mon Jan 22 16:36:43 2007 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:36:43 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <20070123003642.GL24874@eng.sun.com> * Simon Phipps [2007-01-22 16:18]: > > On Jan 22, 2007, at 23:57, Al Hopper wrote: > > >On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: > > > >>Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like to > >>extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the > >>upcoming constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that > >>and will that be enough time to hold the election? > > > >Thank you Stephen. I'll try my best to get the election up and > >running before this deadline. It's time for a new CAB/OGB for > >OpenSolaris IMHO. The sooner the better.... > > I agree. Do we have the necessary software in place on > OpenSolaris.org to support this? Not yet. Working things out between finalizing a voting list, having a nomination and campaigning period, and having a vote makes me want to propose: 29 Jan - 9 Feb: Candidate nominations. 12 - 28 Feb: Governing Board campaigns. 23 Feb: Last call on Voting Membership. 1 - 8 Mar: Governing Board elections. 9 Mar: Election result announced. Thoughts? - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From rich.teer at rite-group.com Mon Jan 22 22:21:02 2007 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:21:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: > Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like to > extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the upcoming > constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that and will that > be enough time to hold the election? It's fine with me. -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From al at logical-approach.com Mon Jan 22 23:19:49 2007 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:19:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: <20070123003642.GL24874@eng.sun.com> References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <20070123003642.GL24874@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Hahn wrote: > * Simon Phipps [2007-01-22 16:18]: > > > > On Jan 22, 2007, at 23:57, Al Hopper wrote: > > > > >On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: > > > > > >>Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like to > > >>extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the > > >>upcoming constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that > > >>and will that be enough time to hold the election? > > > > > >Thank you Stephen. I'll try my best to get the election up and > > >running before this deadline. It's time for a new CAB/OGB for > > >OpenSolaris IMHO. The sooner the better.... > > > > I agree. Do we have the necessary software in place on > > OpenSolaris.org to support this? > > Not yet. Working things out between finalizing a voting list, having > a nomination and campaigning period, and having a vote makes me want > to propose: > > 29 Jan - 9 Feb: Candidate nominations. > > 12 - 28 Feb: Governing Board campaigns. > > 23 Feb: Last call on Voting Membership. > > 1 - 8 Mar: Governing Board elections. > > 9 Mar: Election result announced. > > Thoughts? Looks good to me. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 From Casper.Dik at Sun.COM Tue Jan 23 01:12:36 2007 From: Casper.Dik at Sun.COM (Casper.Dik at Sun.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:12:36 +0100 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <200701230912.l0N9CajL010843@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> >On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: > >> Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like to >> extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the upcoming >> constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that and will that >> be enough time to hold the election? Fine with me too. Casper From webmink at sun.com Tue Jan 23 06:41:45 2007 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:41:45 +0000 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: <200701230912.l0N9CajL010843@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <200701230912.l0N9CajL010843@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2007, at 09:12, Casper.Dik at Sun.COM wrote: > >> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: >> >>> Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like to >>> extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the >>> upcoming >>> constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that and >>> will that >>> be enough time to hold the election? > > Fine with me too. As Ben points out, I think they come in 6 month increments. That means it's to the summer. I profoundly and sincerely hope we have completed ratification/election by then. S. From Stephen.Harpster at Sun.COM Tue Jan 23 08:45:09 2007 From: Stephen.Harpster at Sun.COM (Stephen Harpster) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:45:09 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <200701230912.l0N9CajL010843@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> Message-ID: <45B63B95.7030305@sun.com> I didn't see Ben's note. Does the charter say it can only be extended in 6 month increments?? That seems odd, but ok. Consider it done. Simon Phipps wrote: > > On Jan 23, 2007, at 09:12, Casper.Dik at Sun.COM wrote: > >> >>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: >>> >>>> Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like to >>>> extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the upcoming >>>> constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that and will >>>> that >>>> be enough time to hold the election? >> >> Fine with me too. > > As Ben points out, I think they come in 6 month increments. That means > it's to the summer. I profoundly and sincerely hope we have completed > ratification/election by then. > > S. > -- Stephen Harpster Director, Open Source Software Sun Microsystems, Inc. From webmink at sun.com Tue Jan 23 09:04:43 2007 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:04:43 +0000 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: <45B63B95.7030305@sun.com> References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <200701230912.l0N9CajL010843@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> <45B63B95.7030305@sun.com> Message-ID: <7FD2B4F7-A038-45E9-B8D3-A5818DBB498D@sun.com> It was on his blog: http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=791 On Jan 23, 2007, at 16:45, Stephen Harpster wrote: > I didn't see Ben's note. Does the charter say it can only be > extended in 6 month increments?? That seems odd, but ok. > > Consider it done. > > > > Simon Phipps wrote: >> >> On Jan 23, 2007, at 09:12, Casper.Dik at Sun.COM wrote: >> >>> >>>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: >>>> >>>>> Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd >>>>> like to >>>>> extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the >>>>> upcoming >>>>> constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that and >>>>> will that >>>>> be enough time to hold the election? >>> >>> Fine with me too. >> >> As Ben points out, I think they come in 6 month increments. That >> means it's to the summer. I profoundly and sincerely hope we have >> completed ratification/election by then. >> >> S. >> > > -- > Stephen Harpster > Director, Open Source Software > Sun Microsystems, Inc. > From rich.teer at rite-group.com Tue Jan 23 09:53:40 2007 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:53:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <20070123003642.GL24874@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Al Hopper wrote: > > 29 Jan - 9 Feb: Candidate nominations. > > > > 12 - 28 Feb: Governing Board campaigns. > > > > 23 Feb: Last call on Voting Membership. > > > > 1 - 8 Mar: Governing Board elections. > > > > 9 Mar: Election result announced. > > > > Thoughts? > > Looks good to me. +1, although the above schedule presupposes that the Governance has been ratified by the community. I don't think we can have an election until the rules by which the election will take place--i.e., the Governance--have been ratified. That said, IIRC, we're essentially ready to procede with ratification, pending the configuring of the voting SW. Is that correct? -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From rich.teer at rite-group.com Tue Jan 23 09:59:47 2007 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:59:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: NDN: Re: [cab-discuss] CAB extension (fwd) Message-ID: Hi all, Am I theonly person getting these bouces when sending mail to cab-discuss? (And no, there is no user, account, or machine called "Gateway" here.) -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:57:21 +0100 From: Gateway at rite-group.com To: Rich Teer Subject: NDN: Re: [cab-discuss] CAB extension Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: bfyense,FAA FM FS (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that the name has been entered correctly.) From fielding at gbiv.com Tue Jan 23 14:15:09 2007 From: fielding at gbiv.com (Roy T. Fielding) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:15:09 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <718A2D9C-5BE0-4FFB-B56F-D782B641612C@gbiv.com> On Jan 22, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Stephen Harpster wrote: > Guys, officially, your term was up December 31st, 2006. I'd like > to extend your term through the end of March 2007 to oversee the > upcoming constitution vote and OGB election. Are you ok with that > and will that be enough time to hold the election? I am ok with an extension, ....Roy From webmink at sun.com Tue Jan 23 20:34:18 2007 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:34:18 +0000 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <20070123003642.GL24874@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <56418C12-6925-4C0C-8DF1-0E6A68201B02@sun.com> On Jan 23, 2007, at 17:53, Rich Teer wrote: > +1, although the above schedule presupposes that the Governance > has been ratified by the community. I don't think we can have > an election until the rules by which the election will take > place--i.e., the Governance--have been ratified. Hmmm - I thought we had agreed with Roy's point that one OGB ballot is enough since the new OGB can fix up anything it wants? Maybe I am mis-remembering here. S. From webmink at sun.com Tue Jan 23 20:34:55 2007 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:34:55 +0000 Subject: NDN: Re: [cab-discuss] CAB extension (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F849A49-B622-4AD3-AF25-6EE553127338@sun.com> On Jan 23, 2007, at 17:59, Rich Teer wrote: > Hi all, > > Am I theonly person getting these bouces when sending mail to > cab-discuss? (And no, there is no user, account, or machine > called "Gateway" here.) > I get them too. The team are looking into it. S. From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Jan 23 20:50:29 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:50:29 +1300 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: <20070123003642.GL24874@eng.sun.com> References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <20070123003642.GL24874@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <45B6E595.1060804@sun.com> Hey, Stephen Hahn wrote: > Not yet. Working things out between finalizing a voting list, having > a nomination and campaigning period, and having a vote makes me want > to propose: You don't have a date by which the voting list is made public - as far as I know it hasn't been so far, and I feel it's pretty crucial for a successful vote. At least, I'm personally unhappy that I may not have been able to capture an 'ideal' list from the perspective of the Desktop community lead. Will such a list be public to allow others to comment? What will be the process for adding/removing members from that list? Glynn From sch at eng.sun.com Tue Jan 23 22:55:36 2007 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:55:36 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] CAB extension In-Reply-To: <45B6E595.1060804@sun.com> References: <5701991.1169496399507.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <20070123003642.GL24874@eng.sun.com> <45B6E595.1060804@sun.com> Message-ID: <20070124065536.GC27682@eng.sun.com> * Glynn Foster [2007-01-23 20:50]: > Hey, > > Stephen Hahn wrote: > > Not yet. Working things out between finalizing a voting list, having > > a nomination and campaigning period, and having a vote makes me want > > to propose: > > You don't have a date by which the voting list is made public - as far > as I know it hasn't been so far, and I feel it's pretty crucial for a > successful vote. At least, I'm personally unhappy that I may not have > been able to capture an 'ideal' list from the perspective of the > Desktop community lead. > > Will such a list be public to allow others to comment? What will be > the process for adding/removing members from that list? I've been trying to send out updates as I receive batches of changes: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=21472 (There have only been a half-dozen changes since 8 Jan.) I'll put out another update at week's end. In the meanwhile, I thought I would note that I've been talking occasionally with folks about what the ratification, the constitution, and the board mean and could lead to. It would be interesting to see people's explanations--interim OGB Members if they like, but particularly Core Contributors--(via blogs, -discuss, or other means) on why good governance matters for OpenSolaris (and why potential candidates should be encouraged to run for the Board--or what attributes are hoped for, etc.). - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Jan 30 16:06:27 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:06:27 +1300 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? Message-ID: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> Hey, According to the proposed schedule - http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/cab-discuss/2007-January/001396.html nominations were due to open yesterday. Obviously not happened, anything I can do to help out? [1] Glynn [1] For example, write a draft of the announcement on the wiki? From sch at eng.sun.com Tue Jan 30 16:36:39 2007 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:36:39 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> Message-ID: <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> * Glynn Foster [2007-01-30 16:07]: > According to the proposed schedule - > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/cab-discuss/2007-January/001396.html > > nominations were due to open yesterday. Obviously not happened, anything I can > do to help out? [1] > > [1] For example, write a draft of the announcement on the wiki? I think the only question I had was whether the current Board wanted to place any requirements on a nomination, beyond registration. The text of the Constitution suggests that self-nomination is okay. The other outstanding question from previous mails was whether or not ratification and an initial election could be bundled, and I don't think there was full consensus. I picked bundling, but that can be undone. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From al at logical-approach.com Tue Jan 30 18:17:48 2007 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:17:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Stephen Hahn wrote: > * Glynn Foster [2007-01-30 16:07]: > > According to the proposed schedule - > > > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/cab-discuss/2007-January/001396.html > > > > nominations were due to open yesterday. Obviously not happened, anything I can > > do to help out? [1] > > > > [1] For example, write a draft of the announcement on the wiki? > > I think the only question I had was whether the current Board wanted > to place any requirements on a nomination, beyond registration. The > text of the Constitution suggests that self-nomination is okay. > > The other outstanding question from previous mails was whether or not > ratification and an initial election could be bundled, and I don't > think there was full consensus. I picked bundling, but that can be > undone. Lets take a CAB email vote to resolve this issue. Question: The motion is to combine the CAB/OGB Election voting with a ratification of the Constitution. How say you? (Yes or No). Response from the undersigned: Yes - I am in favor of combining the CAB/OGB election with the ratification of the Constitution. Followup comment: Time is short. Lets move this process forward ASAP. Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 From al at logical-approach.com Tue Jan 30 18:24:19 2007 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:24:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > According to the proposed schedule - > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/cab-discuss/2007-January/001396.html > > nominations were due to open yesterday. Obviously not happened, anything I can > do to help out? [1] > > > Glynn > > [1] For example, write a draft of the announcement on the wiki? Yes - please do. An "outsiders" perspecive would be very valuable. And we've had very few (any?) unsolicited volunteers willing to participate on this list and do CAB/OGB work. Notable exceptions are Ben Rockwood and Keith M Wesolowski who were a tremendeous help with the development of the Constitution. Thanks for your kind offer. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Jan 30 20:18:34 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:18:34 +1300 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> Al Hopper wrote: >> The other outstanding question from previous mails was whether or not >> ratification and an initial election could be bundled, and I don't >> think there was full consensus. I picked bundling, but that can be >> undone. > > Lets take a CAB email vote to resolve this issue. > > Question: The motion is to combine the CAB/OGB Election voting with a > ratification of the Constitution. How say you? (Yes or No). I was under the impression that the ratification of the Constitution was 'assumed' and that the OGB annual elections would continue as part of the agreed upon constitution. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure it makes any sense otherwise - people can't count the election of the new OGB as 'valid' if the constitution isn't ratified. Confused... Glynn From garrett_damore at tadpole.com Tue Jan 30 21:13:54 2007 From: garrett_damore at tadpole.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:13:54 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> Message-ID: <45C02592.70101@tadpole.com> Al Hopper wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Glynn Foster wrote: > > >> Hey, >> >> According to the proposed schedule - >> >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/cab-discuss/2007-January/001396.html >> >> nominations were due to open yesterday. Obviously not happened, anything I can >> do to help out? [1] >> >> >> Glynn >> >> [1] For example, write a draft of the announcement on the wiki? >> > > Yes - please do. An "outsiders" perspecive would be very valuable. And > we've had very few (any?) unsolicited volunteers willing to participate > on this list and do CAB/OGB work. > I've just (yesterday) joined. I'm willing to help out a bit. :-) -- Garrett > Notable exceptions are Ben Rockwood and Keith M Wesolowski who were a > tremendeous help with the development of the Constitution. > > Thanks for your kind offer. > > Regards, > > Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com > Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT > OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 > OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 > _______________________________________________ > cab-discuss mailing list > cab-discuss at opensolaris.org > -- Garrett D'Amore, Principal Software Engineer Tadpole Computer / Computing Technologies Division, General Dynamics C4 Systems http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/ Phone: 951 325-2134 Fax: 951 325-2191 From Casper.Dik at Sun.COM Tue Jan 30 23:56:02 2007 From: Casper.Dik at Sun.COM (Casper.Dik at Sun.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:56:02 +0100 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> Message-ID: <200701310756.l0V7u2IA023386@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> > > >Al Hopper wrote: >>> The other outstanding question from previous mails was whether or not >>> ratification and an initial election could be bundled, and I don't >>> think there was full consensus. I picked bundling, but that can be >>> undone. >> >> Lets take a CAB email vote to resolve this issue. >> >> Question: The motion is to combine the CAB/OGB Election voting with a >> ratification of the Constitution. How say you? (Yes or No). > >I was under the impression that the ratification of the Constitution was >'assumed' and that the OGB annual elections would continue as part of the agreed >upon constitution. Same here, but there are some CAB members who disagree (notably Rich, I think) I feel people had plenty of time and opportunity to chime in and that this was some form of consensus process; and as those usually work, it's the vocal minority which gets its way. >Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure it makes any sense otherwise - people >can't count the election of the new OGB as 'valid' if the constitution isn't >ratified. Valid point, indeed. Casper From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Wed Jan 31 00:29:44 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:29:44 +1300 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> Message-ID: <45C05378.2060009@sun.com> Hey, Al Hopper wrote: >> [1] For example, write a draft of the announcement on the wiki? > > Yes - please do. An "outsiders" perspecive would be very valuable. And > we've had very few (any?) unsolicited volunteers willing to participate > on this list and do CAB/OGB work. Well here's a potential draft email of how it *may* look - obviously the wording could be drastically different, but I've based this on a similar format that we do for the GNOME Foundation Board elections we do each year. If the style was something that might be suitable for OpenSolaris, I'm happy to put it into the wiki for people to collaborate on. Glynn -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: opensolaris-elections.txt URL: From rich.teer at rite-group.com Wed Jan 31 09:51:02 2007 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:51:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: <200701310756.l0V7u2IA023386@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> <200701310756.l0V7u2IA023386@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Casper.Dik at Sun.COM wrote: > >I was under the impression that the ratification of the Constitution was > >'assumed' and that the OGB annual elections would continue as part of the agreed > >upon constitution. > > > Same here, but there are some CAB members who disagree (notably Rich, > I think) Yep. I don't think it's right for us to say "Here's the constitution; Sun has signed it so there!". I think we should be saying "Here is the Constitution that the CAB and Sun are happy to endorse. We would like your [the community's] approval of it.". But I don't have a *strong* opinion on this. That said, one could argue that it would save time to combine the two ballots, and that casting a vote or votes implies an agreement to the Constition. But I still think it should be a separate question on the ballot, to cover the case of someone agreeing to the Constitution, but not wanting to vote for any of the candidates (a hopefully rare, if non existant circumstance I agree!). > I feel people had plenty of time and opportunity to chime in and that > this was some form of consensus process; and as those usually work, > it's the vocal minority which gets its way. *Sigh* So true... -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From keith.wesolowski at sun.com Wed Jan 31 10:55:04 2007 From: keith.wesolowski at sun.com (Keith M Wesolowski) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:55:04 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> Message-ID: <20070131185504.GB16068@sun.com> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 05:18:34PM +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: > I was under the impression that the ratification of the Constitution > was 'assumed' and that the OGB annual elections would continue as > part of the agreed upon constitution. > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure it makes any sense > otherwise - people can't count the election of the new OGB as > 'valid' if the constitution isn't ratified. Correct. If the ratification portion fails to pass, the election of OGB members does not take effect. Dependencies among ballot parts are not unusual; see California's provision for competing initiatives: both appear on the same ballot but if both pass, only the one which receives more votes actually takes effect. -- Keith M Wesolowski "Sir, we're surrounded!" FishWorks "Excellent; we can attack in any direction!" From keith.wesolowski at sun.com Wed Jan 31 11:05:37 2007 From: keith.wesolowski at sun.com (Keith M Wesolowski) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:05:37 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> <200701310756.l0V7u2IA023386@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> Message-ID: <20070131190537.GC16068@sun.com> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:51:02AM -0800, Rich Teer wrote: > Yep. I don't think it's right for us to say "Here's the constitution; > Sun has signed it so there!". I think we should be saying "Here is the > Constitution that the CAB and Sun are happy to endorse. We would like > your [the community's] approval of it.". But I don't have a *strong* > opinion on this. For what it's worth, I do. The constitution grants extraordinary powers to the OGB with little or no provision for the protection of the minority or important provisions in the document itself. As I argued vociferously during the drafting process, that demands at least an overwhelming endorsement by the electorate. The proposed constitution itself seems to state fairly clearly that a majority of eligible voters must approve a referendum question for it to pass. Placing the same requirement on ratification itself seems the least we can do. > That said, one could argue that it would save time to combine the two > ballots, and that casting a vote or votes implies an agreement to the > Constition. But I still think it should be a separate question on the > ballot, to cover the case of someone agreeing to the Constitution, but > not wanting to vote for any of the candidates (a hopefully rare, if > non existant circumstance I agree!). Or, more likely, vice versa. It's perfectly reasonable to vote against ratification but hedge one's position by also voting for a slate of candidates one believes likely to correct perceived constitutional deficiencies. -- Keith M Wesolowski "Sir, we're surrounded!" FishWorks "Excellent; we can attack in any direction!" From al at logical-approach.com Wed Jan 31 12:07:40 2007 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:07:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: <20070131190537.GC16068@sun.com> References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> <200701310756.l0V7u2IA023386@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> <20070131190537.GC16068@sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:51:02AM -0800, Rich Teer wrote: > > > Yep. I don't think it's right for us to say "Here's the constitution; > > Sun has signed it so there!". I think we should be saying "Here is the > > Constitution that the CAB and Sun are happy to endorse. We would like > > your [the community's] approval of it.". But I don't have a *strong* > > opinion on this. > > For what it's worth, I do. The constitution grants extraordinary > powers to the OGB with little or no provision for the protection of > the minority or important provisions in the document itself. As I > argued vociferously during the drafting process, that demands at least > an overwhelming endorsement by the electorate. The proposed > constitution itself seems to state fairly clearly that a majority of > eligible voters must approve a referendum question for it to pass. > Placing the same requirement on ratification itself seems the least we > can do. > > > That said, one could argue that it would save time to combine the two > > ballots, and that casting a vote or votes implies an agreement to the > > Constition. But I still think it should be a separate question on the > > ballot, to cover the case of someone agreeing to the Constitution, but > > not wanting to vote for any of the candidates (a hopefully rare, if > > non existant circumstance I agree!). > > Or, more likely, vice versa. It's perfectly reasonable to vote > against ratification but hedge one's position by also voting for a > slate of candidates one believes likely to correct perceived > constitutional deficiencies. Thanks Keith. Note to CAB/OBJ member: Rich/Casper, I've seen your responses and I understand it appears to be a contradiction because of interdependencies (real or imagined!) - but I'd still like to get an Up/Down vote from you both as to whether we should combine ratification and nomination on the same ballot. What say you? Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 From Casper.Dik at sun.com Wed Jan 31 12:56:09 2007 From: Casper.Dik at sun.com (Casper.Dik at sun.com) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:56:09 +0100 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> <200701310756.l0V7u2IA023386@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> <20070131190537.GC16068@sun.com> Message-ID: <200701312056.l0VKu992008539@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> >> Or, more likely, vice versa. It's perfectly reasonable to vote >> against ratification but hedge one's position by also voting for a >> slate of candidates one believes likely to correct perceived >> constitutional deficiencies. > >Thanks Keith. > >Note to CAB/OBJ member: > >Rich/Casper, > >I've seen your responses and I understand it appears to be a contradiction >because of interdependencies (real or imagined!) - but I'd still like to >get an Up/Down vote from you both as to whether we should combine >ratification and nomination on the same ballot. What say you? I see Keith's point and I'm fine with a combined vote. Casper From fielding at gbiv.com Wed Jan 31 13:10:34 2007 From: fielding at gbiv.com (Roy T. Fielding) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:10:34 -0800 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <60EFDDB9-A2F8-4A9B-865F-87C42C9DB42E@gbiv.com> On Jan 30, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Al Hopper wrote: >> The other outstanding question from previous mails was whether >> or not >> ratification and an initial election could be bundled, and I don't >> think there was full consensus. I picked bundling, but that can be >> undone. > > Lets take a CAB email vote to resolve this issue. > > Question: The motion is to combine the CAB/OGB Election voting with a > ratification of the Constitution. How say you? (Yes or No). Yes. ....Roy From rich.teer at rite-group.com Wed Jan 31 15:49:37 2007 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:49:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: <200701312056.l0VKu992008539@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> <200701310756.l0V7u2IA023386@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> <20070131190537.GC16068@sun.com> <200701312056.l0VKu992008539@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Casper.Dik at sun.com wrote: > I see Keith's point and I'm fine with a combined vote. Same here. After all, it's not as if the Constitution can't be revisited in future, if it is found to be deficient. -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From rich.teer at rite-group.com Wed Jan 31 16:11:35 2007 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:11:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> <45C0189A.1010401@sun.com> <200701310756.l0V7u2IA023386@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> <20070131190537.GC16068@sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Al Hopper wrote: > I've seen your responses and I understand it appears to be a contradiction > because of interdependencies (real or imagined!) - but I'd still like to > get an Up/Down vote from you both as to whether we should combine > ratification and nomination on the same ballot. What say you? I think the ideal situation would be to have the Constitution ratified, and then have an election for the new OGB. However, in the interests of achieving both of these goals most expeditiously, combining the two is a fair compromise. Which is a long way of saying "Up". :-) -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From mo137222 at jurassic.sfbay.Sun.COM Wed Jan 31 16:55:41 2007 From: mo137222 at jurassic.sfbay.Sun.COM (Michelle Olson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:55:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? Message-ID: <200702010105.l1115kWh256138@jurassic.eng.sun.com> I think we should vote on something, with the new mechanism, before we vote in the election. It is important to test the new mechanism and our assumptions about how it will work. So, I'd vote to ratify the Constitution first, to be sure it works well for everyone, then vote to elect new membership on a separate ballot. Thanks, Michelle >X-Original-To: cab-discuss at opensolaris.org >Delivered-To: cab-discuss at opensolaris.org >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:11:35 -0800 (PST) >From: Rich Teer >Subject: Re: [cab-discuss] Nominations? >X-X-Sender: rich at marrakesh >To: Al Hopper >MIME-version: 1.0 >Cc: CAB Discuss >X-BeenThere: cab-discuss at opensolaris.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >List-Id: This list is used for general CAB discussion >List-Unsubscribe: , >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: , > >On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Al Hopper wrote: > >> I've seen your responses and I understand it appears to be a contradiction >> because of interdependencies (real or imagined!) - but I'd still like to >> get an Up/Down vote from you both as to whether we should combine >> ratification and nomination on the same ballot. What say you? > >I think the ideal situation would be to have the Constitution ratified, >and then have an election for the new OGB. However, in the interests of >achieving both of these goals most expeditiously, combining the two is a >fair compromise. Which is a long way of saying "Up". :-) > >-- >Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OpenSolaris CAB member > >President, >Rite Online Inc. > >Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 >URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich >_______________________________________________ >cab-discuss mailing list >cab-discuss at opensolaris.org From webmink at sun.com Wed Jan 31 20:25:42 2007 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 04:25:42 +0000 Subject: [cab-discuss] Nominations? In-Reply-To: References: <45BFDD83.9010800@sun.com> <20070131003639.GC28337@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 31, 2007, at 02:17, Al Hopper wrote: > Question: The motion is to combine the CAB/OGB Election voting with a > ratification of the Constitution. How say you? (Yes or No). > As I have indicated before: Yes. 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