From bill at rushmores.net Sun Apr 2 13:20:28 2006 From: bill at rushmores.net (Bill Rushmore) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:20:28 PDT Subject: [content-discuss] Article Idea: Solaris for Java Programmers Message-ID: <10582665.1144009259028.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> I have an idea for an article, or possibly a series of articles. I got the inspiration for the article from an O?Reilly book, Mac OS X for Java Geeks. My thought is to write something similar for Solaris. In my opinion Solaris is starting to become and an excellent desktop platform, especially for developers. Here is a draft of an outline. Any thoughts on it would be appreciated. Plus if you have any ideas where I could post something like this because it seems more like of a ?Solaris? thing rather than ?OpenSolaris?. I.Why Solaris is now a good choice as a desktop for Developers II.Java Tools 1.Tools that come with Solaris a. JDK's b. Ant c. Editors d. Common UNIX tools e. Gnome 2.Third Party a.IDE's i. Emacs/JDEE ii. Netbeans/Creator/Sun Studio iii. Eclispse iv. Others? b. Sunfreeware/Blastwave III.Features of Solaris of Interest to Java Developers 1.Dtrace 2.Zones 3.SMF Bill Rushmores.net This message posted from opensolaris.org From venky.tv at sun.com Tue Apr 4 06:02:35 2006 From: venky.tv at sun.com (Venky) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:32:35 +0530 Subject: [content-discuss] Article Idea: Solaris for Java Programmers In-Reply-To: <10582665.1144009259028.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <10582665.1144009259028.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <20060404130234.GG16713@india.sun.com> Seems like a nice start for a set of collaborative documents. I was planning on using the wiki for something similiar. Once the initial page structure is set out, it'll be easier for people to contribute within that framework. I can help out with if you decide on using the wiki for this. Venky. On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 01:20:28PM -0700, Bill Rushmore wrote: > I have an idea for an article, or possibly a series of articles. I got the inspiration for the article from an O???Reilly book, Mac OS X for Java Geeks. My thought is to write something similar for Solaris. In my opinion Solaris is starting to become and an excellent desktop platform, especially for developers. > > Here is a draft of an outline. Any thoughts on it would be appreciated. Plus if you have any ideas where I could post something like this because it seems more like of a ???Solaris??? thing rather than ???OpenSolaris???. > > I.Why Solaris is now a good choice as a desktop for Developers > II.Java Tools > 1.Tools that come with Solaris > a. JDK's > b. Ant > c. Editors > d. Common UNIX tools > e. Gnome > 2.Third Party > a.IDE's > i. Emacs/JDEE > ii. Netbeans/Creator/Sun Studio > iii. Eclispse > iv. Others? > b. Sunfreeware/Blastwave > III.Features of Solaris of Interest to Java Developers > 1.Dtrace > 2.Zones > 3.SMF > > > Bill > Rushmores.net > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > content-discuss mailing list > content-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss From bill at rushmores.net Tue Apr 4 06:37:05 2006 From: bill at rushmores.net (Bill Rushmore) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [content-discuss] Article Idea: Solaris for Java Programmers In-Reply-To: <20060404130234.GG16713@india.sun.com> References: <10582665.1144009259028.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <20060404130234.GG16713@india.sun.com> Message-ID: Thanks Venky! The wiki sounds like a great idea to me. Bill rushmores.net On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Venky wrote: > Seems like a nice start for a set of collaborative documents. I was > planning on using the wiki for something similiar. Once the initial > page structure is set out, it'll be easier for people to contribute > within that framework. > > I can help out with if you decide on using the wiki for this. > > Venky. > > On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 01:20:28PM -0700, Bill Rushmore wrote: > > I have an idea for an article, or possibly a series of articles. I got the inspiration for the article from an O???Reilly book, Mac OS X for Java Geeks. My thought is to write something similar for Solaris. In my opinion Solaris is starting to become and an excellent desktop platform, especially for developers. > > > > Here is a draft of an outline. Any thoughts on it would be appreciated. Plus if you have any ideas where I could post something like this because it seems more like of a ???Solaris??? thing rather than ???OpenSolaris???. > > > > I.Why Solaris is now a good choice as a desktop for Developers > > II.Java Tools > > 1.Tools that come with Solaris > > a. JDK's > > b. Ant > > c. Editors > > d. Common UNIX tools > > e. Gnome > > 2.Third Party > > a.IDE's > > i. Emacs/JDEE > > ii. Netbeans/Creator/Sun Studio > > iii. Eclispse > > iv. Others? > > b. Sunfreeware/Blastwave > > III.Features of Solaris of Interest to Java Developers > > 1.Dtrace > > 2.Zones > > 3.SMF > > > > > > Bill > > Rushmores.net > > > > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > > _______________________________________________ > > content-discuss mailing list > > content-discuss at opensolaris.org > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss > _______________________________________________ > content-discuss mailing list > content-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Apr 12 10:12:44 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:12:44 -0700 Subject: [content-discuss] Article Idea: Solaris for Java Programmers In-Reply-To: <10582665.1144009259028.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <10582665.1144009259028.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <443D350C.1040206@sun.com> Works for me. I like it. Jim Bill Rushmore wrote: > I have an idea for an article, or possibly a series of articles. I got the inspiration for the article from an O?Reilly book, Mac OS X for Java Geeks. My thought is to write something similar for Solaris. In my opinion Solaris is starting to become and an excellent desktop platform, especially for developers. > > Here is a draft of an outline. Any thoughts on it would be appreciated. Plus if you have any ideas where I could post something like this because it seems more like of a ?Solaris? thing rather than ?OpenSolaris?. > > I.Why Solaris is now a good choice as a desktop for Developers > II.Java Tools > 1.Tools that come with Solaris > a. JDK's > b. Ant > c. Editors > d. Common UNIX tools > e. Gnome > 2.Third Party > a.IDE's > i. Emacs/JDEE > ii. Netbeans/Creator/Sun Studio > iii. Eclispse > iv. Others? > b. Sunfreeware/Blastwave > III.Features of Solaris of Interest to Java Developers > 1.Dtrace > 2.Zones > 3.SMF > > > Bill > Rushmores.net > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > content-discuss mailing list > content-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Apr 12 10:16:04 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:16:04 -0700 Subject: [content-discuss] Re: Article Idea In-Reply-To: References: <4423ADC1.4060609@sun.com> <0247FD1E-7AB9-4CC4-9926-1DF532ED8C67@corenode.com> <44283A1B.2020304@sun.com> Message-ID: <443D35D4.4060400@sun.com> David J. Orman wrote: > Jim, > > I just wanted to follow up and say I agreed with all that you said. > I've been extremely busy so haven't had time to write an appropriate > response, but rest assured - I will. I think your idea of multiple > articles makes perfect sense, and I am inclined to take this route. I'm > glad you like my method of writing, and I will be more than happy to > dedicate time into providing you with GOOD write-ups. I'd rate that > short blurb of mine as a 2 or 3 at most, it was my fingers flying as my > mind ran rampant, there was no thought given to actual delivery and > composition. ;) Actually, there might be something said for that. I'd > like to combine the two. Proper English + spur of the moment thought. Totally agree. > As to the interview, I'd be more than happy to take that on. Your > completely correct in saying it will bring added value to things. My > perspective + an outside perspective == closer to the truth. That's > what I hope your goal is, Absolutely. Ping us when you are ready. > and I know what my goal is. Providing > everyone with information that truly benefits them and helps them in > their day to day operations. > > I will elaborate more as I have time - it's 2223 here now and I wake in > 4 hours and 37 minutes, so bedtime for me! > > Cheers, > David > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> David J. Orman wrote: >> >>> I'm here as well, so please feel free to communicate with me via >>> this list so we can keep everything documented and get multiple >>> opinions/ feedback/input/etc. :) >> >> >> Welcome! We formed this project a couple of months ago to generate >> some content for the project -- articles, how-to's, personal >> accounts, interviews, Q&As, case studies, profiles, etc. Text is >> great, but I'd like to eventually grow into having podcasts, screen >> casts, and video as well. This content we produce will live all over >> the site, of course. Some stuff will live on the articles page, some >> within other communities, and some off site altogether. Personally, >> I'm most interested in the people that produce this technology, but >> others may be more interested in the technology itself. We need both, >> in my opinion. >> >> The efforts here are 100% community generated. Sun is not running >> this Content Project, in other words. Our resources are only what we >> as individuals bring to it. Our process for publication are designed >> to be as lightweight as possible, with the key being peer review. If >> an article is highly technical, it needs to be reviewed by the >> community before publication. That's the value of publishing on >> opensolaris.org rather than a blog or somewhere else (though those >> venues certainly have value but different value). >> >>> PS - I need to make clear now before a lot of time gets invested >>> that we are still in the evaluation phase of a _lot_ of things. We >>> are truly a "fledgling" data center as described on our site. There >>> are a lot of things still being ironed out. My facility is still >>> far from being finished! >> >> >> Cool. I think many people are in your position and by you documenting >> your experiences for us will help other community members. >> >>> We're just trying to start with the right technology from the >>> beginning, and design our environment around the "stuff" that makes >>> everything go. Not try to shoehorn the "stuff" into a poorly >>> designed environment. We've got a 12,000 sq foot underground >>> facility, all concrete walls. We're building it out by ourselves, >>> and with funding from our day-jobs. We don't have millions of >>> dollars, we don't have paid construction workers. Everything from >>> sandblasting to demolition to engineering (electrical, structural, >>> you name it) we are doing in-house. >> >> >> *That* is why this story is interesting. >> >>> I'm a 24 year old college graduate from Dallas, >> >> >> Now I feel sick. :) I *used* to be 24. :) >> >>> I moved to Hawaii with the goal of starting a data center, >> >> >> Back two or so years ago when we were planning OpenSolaris, we listed >> many reasons why we wanted to build a community. Engaging >> entrepreneurs was very high on the list. >> >>> as on a trip here prior to my graduation, I saw there really wasn't >>> much in that sector in this area. Our only decent sized competitor >>> is full, and turning away customers. The other two competitors are >>> priced insanely high. Bandwidth is expensive in Hawaii, but not >>> _that_ expensive. >>> Most of the companies around here have "old" technology. Most do >>> not have backup locations. The pre-existing data center owned by >>> Equinix here is at/below sea level, right next to the airport. Etc >>> etc. Just giving some background on the logic behind my coming out >>> here. >>> We've been in touch with a lot of potential customers (the City and >>> County of Honolulu is coming out in April) .. I've got a very >>> interesting auditor report on their main data center. You'll love >>> the indoor rain gutters and "paper towel water detection system" >>> they use in the walls. >>> Needless to say, we've gotten a LOT of interest in our services >>> since our publication in Pacific Business Journal. Now we're >>> working on figuring out what we want to base all of our services >>> on. I will go more into my exposure to Solaris/Sun later, but >>> needless to say I ended up exploring Sun as an option. It didn't >>> take long to very quickly realize I had something good in my hands. >>> We've evaluated Linux (various distros), FreeBSD, and now Solaris >>> (still in evaluation.. actually.. I'm just playing and having fun >>> like a little kid!) Linux was turned down due to pricey support and >>> generally ad- hoc thrown-together design (from my standpoint), as >>> well as performance issues. It "felt" like using a duct-tape >>> solution, not something industrial grade. That might be fine when >>> you're running a cluster and have designed failover, but that >>> really isn't that efficient in power/heat production. As I'm sure >>> most of you are aware, that is the largest cost a data center has, >>> electricity. PS - I am keeping this very short/abridged, more >>> details can be provided as needed. >>> FreeBSD was fairly nice. This was to be our final solution, until I >>> decided to try out Solaris. I never really had any issues with it, >>> it seemed more "put together" and I felt a lot more secure using it >>> as our primary OS. We were running a solution for our needs with >>> apache/ mysql/pgsql/postfix/dovecot/proftp. It was a pretty nasty >>> little combination, but it worked well enough for our needs. (As a >>> side note, we are about to start evaluating JES. My initial >>> experience with it was terrible too, but I'm told once you wrap >>> your head around it, it's really nice.) >>> I then had a client come and ask me (in the past few weeks) for a >>> backup solution price quote. I said sure, his IT guy got in contact >>> with me and provided me requirements. 25 gigs initial storage, and >>> growth of about 5-10 gigs a month. The thing is, they wanted daily >>> backups for a week, weekly backups for a month, monthly backups for >>> a year.. >>> I got a slight headache at this point, as the client made it quite >>> clear he was looking for an inexpensive but reliable solution. I >>> was then informed he had a business DSL connection. Another big >>> uh-oh. _Then_ I was informed (here's the bomb) they wanted full >>> backups, because they wanted to easily be able to retrieve any >>> day/week/month/ etc worth of files at any time, without *our* (my >>> company's) intervention. I was nearly in tears trying to think of a >>> solution that could do all of these things, and not cost the client >>> thousands a month. >>> That is when it dawned on me. That cool Sun feature slated for >>> Solaris 10! What's it called? Oh yeah, ZFS. I think I remember >>> something called snapshots, let me give it a go! >>> What followed was about two weeks of tears trying to build a >>> machine that would run Solaris (and not drop from the network every >>> ten minutes.) As I said, we're funding every aspect of a data >>> center from our pockets, blood sweat and tears, working day jobs. >>> Needless to say, buying Sun gear was not an option for us without >>> the assurance of a customer's pay coming in. We also did not want >>> to take the "try a coolthreads server free for 60 days" deal, >>> because we felt it wouldn't be fair to Sun for us to take a trial >>> if we had absolutely no idea if it would even work for us. At the >>> same time, we needed something to try out this fancy new ZFS >>> filesystem. After managing to source parts that would work with >>> Solaris (no easy feat here in Hawaii!) and getting b33 of Nevada >>> installed, I was blown away. >>> I needed help getting things working properly, but *without a >>> support contract* and running on *completely unsupported off the >>> shelf hardware* - to my amazement, Sun engineers responded to >>> simple and basic (ignorant) mailing list posts I made. I got clear >>> concise answers to my problems, and quite quickly! Within a day, I >>> had the client's solution already proven technically feasible, and >>> not only that, but INEXPENSIVELY and RELIABLY. Want backups from >>> 03/15/06? No problem, just browse to .zfs/snapshot/ 031506/ and >>> you're there. Grab whatever you need. Have fun! >>> Us? Not wasting a ton of storage on full backups of that amount of >>> data. Sleeping soundly at night not worrying about the data being >>> safe. Very little equipment to manage/run the system, so low power >>> costs. Capability to grow to as much storage as needed. Best of >>> all, very little time invested! Literally, from question to >>> solution, removing all time required to evaluate other solutions >>> and source parts, was no more than 6 hours. This coming from a guy >>> who never used Solaris before the past few months. ZFS is so >>> intuitive, it was like a breath of fresh air. Sun engineers filled >>> my mailbox with tips, hints, suggestions, explanations. Even >>> suggestions on drive cages! >>> Who do you think my first server purchase will be from? You got it >>> - Sun. As soon as things are ironed out with this customer, we'll >>> be picking up a nice Sun server to top that drive cage and export >>> the ZFS share via NFS. Possibly another Sun server to handle the >>> frontend operations. It all depends on budget, of course! This is >>> just the start, just the core, of what we plan for the future. It's >>> just a few days of my life, and my eye-opening to Sun. >>> Don't even get me started on Niagra. We're looking at that now too, >>> and realizing with the savings we'll have in power and space, we'll >>> be competitive in price with data centers were never thought we >>> could be, due to high bandwidth pricing in Hawaii. >>> Not only that, but we'll be able to offer solutions nobody else can >>> here, due to all of the innovative technologies in Solaris 10. >>> We're starting clean, we can implement everything around the >>> solution that best fits us. From the looks of things, that solution >>> is Sun, and we're building our data center around that core. :) >>> Cheers, >>> David >>> PS - This was just to give some background, I didn't write it with >>> the intention of it being used directly. I can write up something >>> more formal and concise as needed. I just thought it'd be nice to >>> share a little more into where we stand, where we are going, and >>> why Sun looks like our best option to get there. I'll let you all >>> take the ball and roll it around for a bit. Feel free to shoot back >>> any questions, suggestions, feedback - anything. I'm here to >>> provide anything I can. :) >> >> >> >> >> Damn, this is excellent. I'm not a technologist so I have zero >> feedback on the specifics of what you are putting together. Over >> time, people on this list and on the discuss and other lists will >> offer more technical feedback. I'm interested in the initiative >> itself, in how you did it, why you did it, the successes and >> failures, the challenges, the financing -- the human aspects of the >> business, basically. >> >> So, we need to figure out a mechanism of producing this document or >> series of documents. I like your writing style, so I think you need >> to write some or most of this, but I'd also like you to consider >> someone interviewing you as well. The reason is this: the information >> generated when people write is many times different (yet >> complementary) to the information generated when they are interviewed. >> >> Since you are in the evaluation phase of your operation, you have >> time to map out a series of articles. How about this for a >> suggestion: a general overview article to set the stage for the case >> study, then two or three articles to dig down into the technology >> itself. Maybe one is on the technology, one is one the business >> issues, customer issues, etc. In these supplemental pieces, you dig >> down very deeply. Then, to support all that, someone interviews you >> and does a Q&A. You just relax and answer questions and let things >> flow wherever they go. >> >> You can write this stuff and post drafts on the Content Project. An >> outline should probably be scratched out first, but please feel to be >> as informal as you like. When you are ready for a formal review, >> we'll post the draft(s) and call for review on the specific >> technologies you mention. Then you update your draft as needed and >> the reviewers are credited as contributors as well. The more detailed >> the article is, the more review it should have so it hold ups up over >> time. Your experience is yours, of course, but the articulation of >> specific technologies being reviewed would be valuable to the >> community. Now, the Q&A would require a lot less review, of course. >> We'll need to consider each one individually. >> >> If you choose to do something like this, we can roll it out over >> time. Or if you are more comfortable putting it all in one article, >> that's fine too. I'd love to hear your opinion and the opinions of >> others. Once the content is generated, however, we can all blog about >> it and draw attention to it and I'm sure more conversations will >> start as a result. >> >> Just some ideas ..... >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 23, 2006, at 10:28 PM, Jim Grisanzio wrote: >>> >>>> I'm forwarding part of this thread: >>>> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=6964&tstart=0 >>>> >>>> Bill suggested that David's situation may make a good article. >>>> David seems to agree. I do, too. So, I thought you'd like to see >>>> some of David's thoughts and my ideas for a piece. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: Re: [nfs-discuss] New to ZFS/NFS - Question concerning >>>> permissions >>>> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:25:15 -0800 >>>> From: Jim Grisanzio >>>> To: David J. Orman >>>> CC: bill at rushmores.net, nfs-discuss at opensolaris.org >>>> >>>> David ... cool. Let's do it. I'll forward your mail to the content >>>> project alias ( content-discuss at opensolaris.org ) and we can talk >>>> about >>>> processes, review, etc. Anyone interested in participating, please >>>> feel >>>> free to jump in. I think a piece like this would take some time, it >>>> would probably need some artwork, and it would certainly need >>>> technical >>>> review. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> David J. Orman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim, >>>>> It sounds like a wonderful idea, maybe it would also help other >>>>> people see >>>>> the advantages that using Sun systems could bring them. I have a >>>>> lot of >>>>> information I can share concerning my movement forward in this >>>>> area, from >>>>> the first mention of Solaris to me, until the present. Everything >>>>> from >>>>> failures to successes, and plenty of surprises too. >>>>> I'd be happy to help out however I could, with the amount of free >>>>> "support" I've gotten from the OSOL community for my *commercial* >>>>> venture, >>>>> I feel a sense of responsibility to give back at least as much as >>>>> I have >>>>> recieved! >>>>> That is the beauty of an open development model where the >>>>> engineers who >>>>> are normally delegated to cubicals with no social interaction are >>>>> let lose >>>>> with the people who use the software/hardware they write. :) >>>>> There is a >>>>> symbiotic relationship between the producers and the consumers, >>>>> and they >>>>> both influence each other in a positive fashion. The producers >>>>> learn what >>>>> the consumers *really* want, and the consumers learn how to use >>>>> what the >>>>> producers created to the full extent. No longer are you reliant >>>>> on surveys >>>>> and other flawed statistical analysis to get an accurate picture >>>>> of your >>>>> customer base. >>>>> Solaris has a lot going for it now, and especially when S10U2 >>>>> hits the >>>>> shelves it's going to be a solution that solves a LOT of >>>>> headaches. With >>>>> the SarbOx requirements coming due soon enough, storage needs >>>>> will be at >>>>> an all-time high. Data integrity and validity will as well. ZFS >>>>> makes a >>>>> perfect solution for this, and you can have it for *free*. Maybe >>>>> a simple >>>>> case study will be enough to show companies how this can impact their >>>>> business in a positive fashion. Just a few thousand dollars worth >>>>> of Sun >>>>> equipment later and they to can be on their way to sleeping >>>>> peacefully at >>>>> night when the SarbOx enforcers come knocking on people's doors. I >>>>> wouldn't want to be the tech guy at a company who doesn't have >>>>> something >>>>> like ZFS handling their data store. >>>>> I'm a long-time FreeBSD user, and prior to that a Linux guy. I >>>>> came upon >>>>> Solaris by accident, and after my initial trials I was very >>>>> unimpressed. A >>>>> lot of that has changed in the recent past. Like most things, it >>>>> takes >>>>> some effort to see the advantages when you don't really even know >>>>> what to >>>>> look for. Maybe a nice writeup of real-world planning, analysis, and >>>>> implementation could help people save a lot of time. :) >>>>> Anyways, I think we are deviating from the original topic, so if >>>>> you'd >>>>> like to continue this further, direct me to the list or contact me >>>>> directly via this email address. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> David >>>>> PS - Cool, I've never been in a blog before! I feel special! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hello, David. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Rushmore pointed this out to me in the Content Project >>>>>> today, and I >>>>>> think it could make an interesting Case Study -- need, evaluation, >>>>>> implemention, Sun systems, Solaris and OpenSolaris community >>>>>> elements, >>>>>> the whole thing. Would you be interested in considering that for an >>>>>> article? >>>>>> >>>>>> We have a Content Project going here: >>>>>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/content/ >>>>>> >>>>>> And we are starting to post peer-reviewed articles here: >>>>>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/articles/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps this could be a Case Study that you write. Perhaps it's >>>>>> something that someone else writes by interviewing you and digs >>>>>> into the >>>>>> technology issues, etc. I see Peter Harvey blogged about it, so >>>>>> maybe >>>>>> he'd be interested in writing a longer article about the system >>>>>> you end >>>>>> up building and how you built it. >>>>>> >>>>>> We can talk about the specifics of the piece later, but I just >>>>>> wanted to >>>>>> float the idea to you guys to see if there was some interest. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris >>>>>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> content-discuss mailing list >>> content-discuss at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > content-discuss mailing list > content-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Apr 12 10:17:14 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:17:14 -0700 Subject: [content-discuss] Summary or Articles Message-ID: <443D361A.1070301@sun.com> Here's a summary of specific articles that have been proposed and are under development at one stage or another: Articles Under Development: * Eric Boutilier: Installing the smallest Solaris Express OS possible * Bill Rushmore: Solaris for Java Programmers * David Orman: Data Center Case Study * Michelle Olson: Delivering commercial documentation as open source I'll update the ideas list as well shortly because I have some stuff I'd like to propose (for myself and others). Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Apr 18 09:31:05 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:31:05 -0700 Subject: [content-discuss] [Fwd: [osol-discuss] Google Summer of Code: Call for OpenSolaris Participation] Message-ID: <44451449.9030506@sun.com> Guys ... I think the Content Project may be able to offer something to this program, don't you? How about we get involved and do some mentoring and see what happens. Perhaps when a student works on a project, part of that process is to write up their experiences in an article for possible publication on opensolaris.org? It would have to go through the same processes we have established, etc. Or something else? Jim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [osol-discuss] Google Summer of Code: Call for OpenSolaris Participation Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:19:13 -0700 From: Jim Grisanzio To: opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org hey, guys. Google has announced its 2006 Summer of Code: http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html This is the second summer where Google has engaged student developers worldwide to participate on a variety of open source projects under this mentoring program. OpenSolaris has applied to be one of those mentoring communities. It's a great way for us to contribute to the greater open source community, while at the same time providing us the opportunity to meet new developers -- especially students -- in new areas. See the details (especially question #2) about mentoring: http://code.google.com/soc/mentorfaq.html With more than 40 communities and more than 20 projects I think we have more than enough to offer as this point. I'd like to get a thread started here for possible project ideas. We need to act quickly if we want to participate, though. My initial thought: I think the easiest way to participate is for the OpenSolaris project owners http://www.opensolaris.org/os/projects to be mentors (or identify mentors) to these new student developers. Perhaps we could flush out some ideas in this thread and then the interested projects/owners can mock up their project pages with a Summer of Code section with some items the students can work on. We can then add a box to the front page directing Summer of Code students to those participating projects. That part is easy. The question is this, though: are there any OpenSolaris projects interested in engaging these students in Google's Summer of code? If so, let's talk about what we could offer. I'll collect the ideas and feed them into our application process. Please feel free to forward to any list you think appropriate. Best, Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From bill at rushmores.net Tue Apr 18 10:13:45 2006 From: bill at rushmores.net (Bill Rushmore) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [content-discuss] [Fwd: [osol-discuss] Google Summer of Code: Call for OpenSolaris Participation] In-Reply-To: <44451449.9030506@sun.com> References: <44451449.9030506@sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Guys ... I think the Content Project may be able to offer something to this > program, don't you? How about we get involved and do some mentoring and see > what happens. Perhaps when a student works on a project, part of that process > is to write up their experiences in an article for possible publication on > opensolaris.org? It would have to go through the same processes we have > established, etc. Or something else? Excellent idea! The first thing I thought about when I read about the Summer of Code post was the content project but I had no good ideas. I remember from last year Dr Dobbs had a few write ups on the SOC and I enjoyed them. Since the process we have isn't really strict I think here would be a good place rather than the need for something else. Bill rushmores.net From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Apr 18 13:51:00 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:51:00 -0700 Subject: [content-discuss] [Fwd: [osol-discuss] Google Summer of Code: Call for OpenSolaris Participation] In-Reply-To: References: <44451449.9030506@sun.com> Message-ID: <44455134.3040505@sun.com> Ok, cool. Let's just make the offer and see what comes of it. We can work with the students and their project mentors to figure out specifics. Thanks for the reality check. Jim Bill Rushmore wrote: > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> Guys ... I think the Content Project may be able to offer something to >> this program, don't you? How about we get involved and do some >> mentoring and see what happens. Perhaps when a student works on a >> project, part of that process is to write up their experiences in an >> article for possible publication on opensolaris.org? It would have to >> go through the same processes we have established, etc. Or something >> else? > > > > Excellent idea! The first thing I thought about when I read about the > Summer of Code post was the content project but I had no good ideas. I > remember from last year Dr Dobbs had a few write ups on the SOC and I > enjoyed them. > > Since the process we have isn't really strict I think here would be a > good place rather than the need for something else. > > Bill > rushmores.net From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Apr 18 14:31:59 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:31:59 -0700 Subject: [content-discuss] [Fwd: [brandz-discuss] BrandZ in Japanese Magazine] Message-ID: <44455ACF.9070801@sun.com> For our Japanese readers, check out Noniko's article below. :) Noniko would like to be part of the Content Project, which is great. We are happy to have you, Noniko. It will be great to know what's going on in Japan and also within the NetBeans community there. Perhaps we could organize some joint user group meetings there (I'll be traveling there later this year). Is there something you'd like to work on? Several of us are working on articles: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=7744&tstart=0 Jim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [brandz-discuss] BrandZ in Japanese Magazine Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:27:05 +0900 From: noniko To: brandz-discuss at opensolaris.org Hello everyone, I'm sorry I have not yet answered to "X in BlandZ--lot of fun!" thread. Today I'd like to give you a news. I am a rookie technical writer writing howtos for newbies. I wrote about how to install BrandZ, and it has been published included in a Japanese magazine "Open Source Magazine". The edition is shown in http://www.unixuser.jp/magazine/2006/200605.html (Sorry for introducing to a Japanese page) My pages are not headlined so big, but you could see the OpenSolaris and BrandZ words if you scroll down... In the pages I appealed BrandZ is very easy to use. This issue is the first part, how to introduce and boot CentOS. The next issue (in May) will be how to use GUI apps. Solaris is in Japan not yet so well-known as a desktop OS among those who studying computers. I'd like to let them know how it is kind to users, reliable and available for lots of challenges. noniko noniko at netbeans.jp _______________________________________________ brandz-discuss mailing list brandz-discuss at opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Apr 18 16:59:08 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:59:08 -0700 Subject: [content-discuss] Profile Idea for Jim: Mike Kupfer Message-ID: <44457D4C.5000701@sun.com> I'd like to do my first profile on Mike Kupfer. He's been involved in OpenSolaris since before the pilot, his engineering work has made a lot of what we have today possible, and he's a great guy. Mike will be the first of about 10 profiles I'd like to do over the next few months for the Content Project. The format for all of my profiles will be straight Q&A with editorial commentary around the more substantive engineering content. I'm looking to outline what people have done from a technical perspective, but even more importantly, I'm looking to explore who they are and what drives them to do what they do so well. Some will be more personal than others; some more technical. No matter. A good mix will come of it. You guys cool with me doing this. If so, Mike will be first. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From ormandj at corenode.com Tue Apr 18 17:12:15 2006 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David J. Orman) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:12:15 -1000 Subject: [content-discuss] Profile Idea for Jim: Mike Kupfer In-Reply-To: <44457D4C.5000701@sun.com> References: <44457D4C.5000701@sun.com> Message-ID: Sounds wonderful to me! I anxiously await #1. ;) David ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Grisanzio Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:59 pm Subject: [content-discuss] Profile Idea for Jim: Mike Kupfer > I'd like to do my first profile on Mike Kupfer. He's been involved > in > OpenSolaris since before the pilot, his engineering work has made a > lot > of what we have today possible, and he's a great guy. Mike will be > the > first of about 10 profiles I'd like to do over the next few months > for > the Content Project. The format for all of my profiles will be > straight > Q&A with editorial commentary around the more substantive > engineering > content. I'm looking to outline what people have done from a > technical > perspective, but even more importantly, I'm looking to explore who > they > are and what drives them to do what they do so well. Some will be > more > personal than others; some more technical. No matter. A good mix > will > come of it. > > You guys cool with me doing this. If so, Mike will be first. > > Jim > -- > Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ > _______________________________________________ > content-discuss mailing list > content-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss > From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Tue Apr 18 17:15:00 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:15:00 -0600 Subject: [content-discuss] Profile Idea for Jim: Mike Kupfer In-Reply-To: <44457D4C.5000701@sun.com> References: <44457D4C.5000701@sun.com> Message-ID: <44458104.3070001@sun.com> Wonderful idea - go for it. Jim Grisanzio wrote: > I'd like to do my first profile on Mike Kupfer. He's been involved in > OpenSolaris since before the pilot, his engineering work has made a lot > of what we have today possible, and he's a great guy. Mike will be the > first of about 10 profiles I'd like to do over the next few months for > the Content Project. The format for all of my profiles will be straight > Q&A with editorial commentary around the more substantive engineering > content. I'm looking to outline what people have done from a technical > perspective, but even more importantly, I'm looking to explore who they > are and what drives them to do what they do so well. Some will be more > personal than others; some more technical. No matter. A good mix will > come of it. > > You guys cool with me doing this. If so, Mike will be first. > > Jim From bill at rushmores.net Tue Apr 18 17:40:28 2006 From: bill at rushmores.net (Bill Rushmore) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:40:28 -0400 Subject: [content-discuss] Profile Idea for Jim: Mike Kupfer In-Reply-To: References: <44457D4C.5000701@sun.com> Message-ID: +1 from me. Bill rushmores.net On Apr 18, 2006, at 8:12 PM, David J. Orman wrote: > Sounds wonderful to me! I anxiously await #1. ;) > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Grisanzio > Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:59 pm > Subject: [content-discuss] Profile Idea for Jim: Mike Kupfer > >> I'd like to do my first profile on Mike Kupfer. He's been involved >> in >> OpenSolaris since before the pilot, his engineering work has made a >> lot >> of what we have today possible, and he's a great guy. Mike will be >> the >> first of about 10 profiles I'd like to do over the next few months >> for >> the Content Project. The format for all of my profiles will be >> straight >> Q&A with editorial commentary around the more substantive >> engineering >> content. I'm looking to outline what people have done from a >> technical >> perspective, but even more importantly, I'm looking to explore who >> they >> are and what drives them to do what they do so well. Some will be >> more >> personal than others; some more technical. No matter. A good mix >> will >> come of it. >> >> You guys cool with me doing this. If so, Mike will be first. >> >> Jim >> -- >> Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris >> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ >> _______________________________________________ >> content-discuss mailing list >> content-discuss at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > content-discuss mailing list > content-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Wed Apr 19 00:20:30 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (patrick finch) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:20:30 +0200 Subject: [content-discuss] [Fwd: [osol-discuss] Google Summer of Code: Call for OpenSolaris Participation] In-Reply-To: <44455134.3040505@sun.com> References: <44451449.9030506@sun.com> <44455134.3040505@sun.com> Message-ID: <4445E4BE.1050707@holland.sun.com> I think this is an excellent idea, and I'd be very happy to help write-ups for someone that needed assistance. I've been reviewing some articles on BigAdmin for another project, and very often what could be very interesting reports are let down by poor write-ups. Patrick Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Ok, cool. Let's just make the offer and see what comes of it. We can > work with the students and their project mentors to figure out > specifics. Thanks for the reality check. > > Jim > > Bill Rushmore wrote: > >>On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> >> >>>Guys ... I think the Content Project may be able to offer something to >>>this program, don't you? How about we get involved and do some >>>mentoring and see what happens. Perhaps when a student works on a >>>project, part of that process is to write up their experiences in an >>>article for possible publication on opensolaris.org? It would have to >>>go through the same processes we have established, etc. Or something >>>else? >> >> >> >>Excellent idea! The first thing I thought about when I read about the >>Summer of Code post was the content project but I had no good ideas. I >>remember from last year Dr Dobbs had a few write ups on the SOC and I >>enjoyed them. >> >>Since the process we have isn't really strict I think here would be a >>good place rather than the need for something else. >> >>Bill >>rushmores.net > > _______________________________________________ > content-discuss mailing list > content-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss From venky.tv at sun.com Wed Apr 19 09:00:16 2006 From: venky.tv at sun.com (Venky) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:30:16 +0530 Subject: [content-discuss] Profile Idea for Jim: Mike Kupfer In-Reply-To: <44457D4C.5000701@sun.com> References: <44457D4C.5000701@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060419160015.GP1948@india.sun.com> +1. Venky. On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 04:59:08PM -0700, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > I'd like to do my first profile on Mike Kupfer. He's been involved in > OpenSolaris since before the pilot, his engineering work has made a lot > of what we have today possible, and he's a great guy. Mike will be the > first of about 10 profiles I'd like to do over the next few months for > the Content Project. The format for all of my profiles will be straight > Q&A with editorial commentary around the more substantive engineering > content. I'm looking to outline what people have done from a technical > perspective, but even more importantly, I'm looking to explore who they > are and what drives them to do what they do so well. Some will be more > personal than others; some more technical. No matter. A good mix will > come of it. > > You guys cool with me doing this. If so, Mike will be first. > > Jim > -- > Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ > _______________________________________________ > content-discuss mailing list > content-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/content-discuss