From iszczesniak at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 08:57:13 2009
From: iszczesniak at gmail.com (I. Szczesniak)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:57:13 +0100
Subject: [emancipation-discuss] [on-discuss] Emergency project to rescue
	Opensolaris from IBM (was: Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM
	aquisition of Sun)
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On 3/23/09, ????? ???????????? <olga.kryzhanovska at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/23/09, Alexander Eremin <eremin at milax.org> wrote:
>  >
>  >  On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 14:51 +0100, Martin Bochnig wrote:
>  >  > 2009/3/23 ????? ???????????? <olga.kryzhanovska at gmail.com>:
>  >  > > On 3/23/09, Malte Hahlbeck <malte+solaris at gissmo.net> wrote:
>  >  > >> What would happen to Opensolaris and other open sourced software like Glassfish, Netbeans etc.?
>  >  > >
>  >  > > Solaris customers are migrated to Linux. There's no point to allow
>  >  > > competition to own products. IBM will be committed to existing
>  >  > > contracts but no new contracts will be allowed.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > ????????? ?? ?? ???? "?????????????? ???????"? ?? ???????!
>  >  >
>  >  > (Dou you call this a "fantastic future"? Not nice.)
>  >
>  > > _______________________________________________
>  >  > opensolaris-discuss mailing list
>  >  > opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org
>  >
>  >
>  > May be this not so terrible. I think that opensolaris community will
>  >  survive even in an underground ;)
>
>  The community cannot survive without open code. Many parts of
>  Opensolaris rely on closed sources. We need an emergency project to
>  make as many parts of Opensolaris open source or replace them with
>  open source.

You wish to talk to Roland Mainz, Glenn Fowler and Jennifer Pioch
then. They have opensource replacements for /usr/bin/sed,
/usr/xpg4/bin/sed, /usr/bin/tail, /usr/xpg4/bin/tail, /usr/bin/tr and
/usr/xpg4/bin/tr.

Irek


From iszczesniak at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 09:09:42 2009
From: iszczesniak at gmail.com (I. Szczesniak)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:09:42 +0100
Subject: [emancipation-discuss] [on-discuss] Emergency project to rescue
	Opensolaris from IBM (was: Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM
	aquisition of Sun)
In-Reply-To: <e21eff1d0903230717r69287c39o87aa61fed0cb33b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e21eff1d0903230717r69287c39o87aa61fed0cb33b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd45720b0903230909n250e3222y7ef2ba24d04295ca@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/23/09, ????? ???????????? <olga.kryzhanovska at gmail.com> wrote:
 > On 3/23/09, Alexander Eremin <eremin at milax.org> wrote:
 >  >
 >  >  On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 14:51 +0100, Martin Bochnig wrote:
 >  >  > 2009/3/23 ????? ???????????? <olga.kryzhanovska at gmail.com>:
 >  >  > > On 3/23/09, Malte Hahlbeck <malte+solaris at gissmo.net> wrote:
 >  >  > >> What would happen to Opensolaris and other open sourced
software like Glassfish, Netbeans etc.?
 >  >  > >
 >  >  > > Solaris customers are migrated to Linux. There's no point to allow
 >  >  > > competition to own products. IBM will be committed to existing
 >  >  > > contracts but no new contracts will be allowed.
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  > ????????? ?? ?? ???? "?????????????? ???????"? ?? ???????!
 >  >  >
 >  >  > (Dou you call this a "fantastic future"? Not nice.)
 >  >
 >  > > _______________________________________________
 >  >  > opensolaris-discuss mailing list
 >  >  > opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > May be this not so terrible. I think that opensolaris community will
 >  >  survive even in an underground ;)
 >
 >  The community cannot survive without open code. Many parts of
 >  Opensolaris rely on closed sources. We need an emergency project to
 >  make as many parts of Opensolaris open source or replace them with
 >  open source.

You wish to talk to Roland Mainz, Glenn Fowler and Jennifer Pioch
 then. They have opensource replacements for /usr/bin/sed,
 /usr/xpg4/bin/sed, /usr/bin/tail, /usr/xpg4/bin/tail, /usr/bin/tr and
 /usr/xpg4/bin/tr.

 Irek


From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org  Wed Mar 25 13:28:45 2009
From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:28:45 +0100
Subject: [emancipation-discuss] Emancipation vs. "POSIX commands community"
 vs. closed-bin stuff.. / was: Re: [osol-discuss] [on-discuss] Emergency
 project to rescueOpensolaris fr
References: <1265483003.4281237922516349.JavaMail.Twebapp@sf-app1>
Message-ID: <49CA93FD.24D5576B@nrubsig.org>

Miles Nordin wrote:
> > You wish to talk to Roland Mainz, Glenn Fowler and
> > Jennifer Pioch
> > then. They have opensource replacements for
> > /usr/bin/sed,
> > /usr/xpg4/bin/sed, /usr/bin/tail, /usr/xpg4/bin/tail,
> > /usr/bin/tr and
> > /usr/xpg4/bin/tr.
> 
> is this a joke?

No, this is no joke. I am in the process of updating my bulid machines
and then I make a Subversion tree which includes code for getting an
opensource replacement for "tail" (both /usr/bin/tail and
/usr/xpg4/bin/tail) and later "sed" (both /usr/bin/tail and
/usr/xpg4/bin/tail), (/usr/bin/|/usr/xpg4/bin/|/usr/xpg6/bin/)tr and
/usr/bin/pax. Basically we're now quickly getting rid of all
closed-source POSIX commands (as part of the upcoming "POSIX commands
community").

>  Wherever could they find such precious and novel work?
> maybe, from the GNU project, fifteen years ago?

No, the work is based on the AT&T AST codebase - the same stuff where
ksh93 comes from.

> oh, o sorry my mistake they want *XPG4* versions.  seriously, WHO CARES?  We are talking about this source:
> 
>  http://opensolaris.org/os/about/no_source/

Right... as said I try to push the matching source code as fast as
possible...

----

Bye,
Roland

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