From Ienup.Sung at Sun.COM Fri Oct 20 11:33:29 2006 From: Ienup.Sung at Sun.COM (Ienup Sung) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:33:29 -0700 Subject: [g11n-zh-tw-discuss] Re: [i18n-discuss] How to add "SUN Microsystems" to Chinese Character Set? In-Reply-To: <453909C8.8010002@hawaiilinux.us> References: <13584623.1161324297387.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app2> <45386B79.10104@sun.com> <45387DD1.8050908@hawaiilinux.us> <4538F1CA.3070704@sun.com> <4538F743.3040103@hawaiilinux.us> <4538FD6D.2070600@Sun.COM> <453909C8.8010002@hawaiilinux.us> Message-ID: <45391679.3030701@sun.com> Hi Brian, Wayne, This appears something that can be done as a project at the community or at the Chinese language groups by the way. (Of course, I also think filing a bug is great and the first thing to do.) Furthermore, Sun PinYin will shortly be open sourced and so directly updating pinyin.data or have some kind of tool that will allow customization of system data, creation & access to user data, or both would be something that could be worked out by community members together! Just as my two cents, Ienup Hawaii Linux Institute wrote at 10/20/06 10:39: > Hi Brian, > > As I mentioned earlier, Pin-Yin is the only way for anyone without a > traditional Chinese keyboard to input Chinese characters. Its > importance cannot be overstated. > > While the Pin-Yin method in Solaris may not be perfect, it is still much > better than anything any Linux distro has to offer (& you wonder why > Linux is so poorly accepted by Chinese-speaking Americans). I will > definitely submit a bug report. Since this matter is so critically > important, plse let me know if there is anything else we can help to > improve the Pin-Yin input method for Solaris. > > > Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote: > >> Hi, Wayne, >> I've just tried the Pin-Yin input method in Traditional Chinese locale >> and confirmed the problem you found, I also found many phrases contain >> both Simplified Chinese characters and Traditional Chinese characters, >> I think that's a serious bug that a input method in Traditional >> Chinese locale doesn't support all Traditional Chinese characters and >> provide phrases with mixed characters from two Chinese languages, I'd >> suggest you submit a bug to opensolaris.org and I will also talk with >> the engineers in Sun China. >> >> Thanks, >> Brian >> >> Hawaii Linux Institute wrote On 2006?10?20? 09:20,: >> >>> Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry for the confusions, looks like I need to install the latest >>>> OpenSolaris :-), I will check with our engineers in Beijing for >>>> what's happened to the New Chu-Yin, maybe it's not added to the list >>>> by default because I haven't seen any docs of its EOL. >>>> >>>> Have you tried the "?????"? It's also for pin yin users to >>>> input Traditional Chinese characters, the pin yin for the "?" is >>>> "sheng". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Brian >>>> >>> Thanks for the offered help. But as I mentioned in my initial post, >>> I have first tried "?????", and couldn't find the word "?" >>> ("sheng"). IOW, the word "?" is missing from the pin yin input >>> method, but is available from zhu yin input method. >> >> >> > > From Brian.Yuan at Sun.COM Fri Oct 20 12:04:30 2006 From: Brian.Yuan at Sun.COM (Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:04:30 -0700 Subject: [g11n-zh-tw-discuss] Re: [i18n-discuss] How to add "SUN Microsystems" to Chinese Character Set? In-Reply-To: <45391679.3030701@sun.com> References: <13584623.1161324297387.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app2> <45386B79.10104@sun.com> <45387DD1.8050908@hawaiilinux.us> <4538F1CA.3070704@sun.com> <4538F743.3040103@hawaiilinux.us> <4538FD6D.2070600@Sun.COM> <453909C8.8010002@hawaiilinux.us> <45391679.3030701@sun.com> Message-ID: <45391DBE.50105@sun.com> Hi, Ienup, Thanks for the suggestions, I agree with you that we can work on those issues at the community, I'm talking with Ervin and some other engineers in Sun China, we can work together to come up with a project plan. Thanks, Brian Ienup Sung wrote: > Hi Brian, Wayne, > > This appears something that can be done as a project at the community > or at the Chinese language groups by the way. (Of course, I also think > filing a bug is great and the first thing to do.) > > Furthermore, Sun PinYin will shortly be open sourced and so directly > updating pinyin.data or have some kind of tool that will allow > customization > of system data, creation & access to user data, or both would be > something > that could be worked out by community members together! > > Just as my two cents, > > Ienup > > Hawaii Linux Institute wrote at 10/20/06 10:39: > >> Hi Brian, >> >> As I mentioned earlier, Pin-Yin is the only way for anyone without a >> traditional Chinese keyboard to input Chinese characters. Its >> importance cannot be overstated. >> >> While the Pin-Yin method in Solaris may not be perfect, it is still >> much better than anything any Linux distro has to offer (& you wonder >> why Linux is so poorly accepted by Chinese-speaking Americans). I >> will definitely submit a bug report. Since this matter is so >> critically important, plse let me know if there is anything else we >> can help to improve the Pin-Yin input method for Solaris. >> >> >> Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote: >> >>> Hi, Wayne, >>> I've just tried the Pin-Yin input method in Traditional Chinese >>> locale and confirmed the problem you found, I also found many >>> phrases contain both Simplified Chinese characters and Traditional >>> Chinese characters, I think that's a serious bug that a input method >>> in Traditional Chinese locale doesn't support all Traditional >>> Chinese characters and provide phrases with mixed characters from >>> two Chinese languages, I'd suggest you submit a bug to >>> opensolaris.org and I will also talk with the engineers in Sun China. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Brian >>> >>> Hawaii Linux Institute wrote On 2006?10?20? 09:20,: >>> >>>> Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sorry for the confusions, looks like I need to install the latest >>>>> OpenSolaris :-), I will check with our engineers in Beijing for >>>>> what's happened to the New Chu-Yin, maybe it's not added to the >>>>> list by default because I haven't seen any docs of its EOL. >>>>> >>>>> Have you tried the "?????"? It's also for pin yin users to >>>>> input Traditional Chinese characters, the pin yin for the "?" is >>>>> "sheng". >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>> Thanks for the offered help. But as I mentioned in my initial >>>> post, I have first tried "?????", and couldn't find the word " >>>> ?" ("sheng"). IOW, the word "?" is missing from the pin yin >>>> input method, but is available from zhu yin input method. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > i18n-discuss mailing list > i18n-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss > From Ienup.Sung at Sun.COM Fri Oct 20 12:07:57 2006 From: Ienup.Sung at Sun.COM (Ienup Sung) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:07:57 -0700 Subject: [g11n-zh-tw-discuss] Re: [i18n-discuss] How to add "SUN Microsystems" to Chinese Character Set? In-Reply-To: <45391DBE.50105@sun.com> References: <13584623.1161324297387.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app2> <45386B79.10104@sun.com> <45387DD1.8050908@hawaiilinux.us> <4538F1CA.3070704@sun.com> <4538F743.3040103@hawaiilinux.us> <4538FD6D.2070600@Sun.COM> <453909C8.8010002@hawaiilinux.us> <45391679.3030701@sun.com> <45391DBE.50105@sun.com> Message-ID: <45391E8D.2030105@sun.com> This is great and thanks very much for the good news, Brian! Ienup Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote at 10/20/06 12:04: > Hi, Ienup, > Thanks for the suggestions, I agree with you that we can work on those > issues at the community, I'm talking with Ervin and some other engineers > in Sun China, we can work together to come up with a project plan. > > Thanks, > Brian > > Ienup Sung wrote: > >> Hi Brian, Wayne, >> >> This appears something that can be done as a project at the community >> or at the Chinese language groups by the way. (Of course, I also think >> filing a bug is great and the first thing to do.) >> >> Furthermore, Sun PinYin will shortly be open sourced and so directly >> updating pinyin.data or have some kind of tool that will allow >> customization >> of system data, creation & access to user data, or both would be >> something >> that could be worked out by community members together! >> >> Just as my two cents, >> >> Ienup >> >> Hawaii Linux Institute wrote at 10/20/06 10:39: >> >>> Hi Brian, >>> >>> As I mentioned earlier, Pin-Yin is the only way for anyone without a >>> traditional Chinese keyboard to input Chinese characters. Its >>> importance cannot be overstated. >>> >>> While the Pin-Yin method in Solaris may not be perfect, it is still >>> much better than anything any Linux distro has to offer (& you wonder >>> why Linux is so poorly accepted by Chinese-speaking Americans). I >>> will definitely submit a bug report. Since this matter is so >>> critically important, plse let me know if there is anything else we >>> can help to improve the Pin-Yin input method for Solaris. >>> >>> >>> Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Wayne, >>>> I've just tried the Pin-Yin input method in Traditional Chinese >>>> locale and confirmed the problem you found, I also found many >>>> phrases contain both Simplified Chinese characters and Traditional >>>> Chinese characters, I think that's a serious bug that a input method >>>> in Traditional Chinese locale doesn't support all Traditional >>>> Chinese characters and provide phrases with mixed characters from >>>> two Chinese languages, I'd suggest you submit a bug to >>>> opensolaris.org and I will also talk with the engineers in Sun China. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> Hawaii Linux Institute wrote On 2006?10?20? 09:20,: >>>> >>>>> Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the confusions, looks like I need to install the latest >>>>>> OpenSolaris :-), I will check with our engineers in Beijing for >>>>>> what's happened to the New Chu-Yin, maybe it's not added to the >>>>>> list by default because I haven't seen any docs of its EOL. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried the "?????"? It's also for pin yin users to >>>>>> input Traditional Chinese characters, the pin yin for the "?" is >>>>>> "sheng". >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the offered help. But as I mentioned in my initial >>>>> post, I have first tried "?????", and couldn't find the word " >>>>> ?" ("sheng"). IOW, the word "?" is missing from the pin yin >>>>> input method, but is available from zhu yin input method. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> i18n-discuss mailing list >> i18n-discuss at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss >> > From Ervin.Yan at Sun.COM Fri Oct 20 18:51:03 2006 From: Ervin.Yan at Sun.COM (ervin yan) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:51:03 +0800 Subject: [g11n-zh-tw-discuss] Re: [i18n-discuss] How to add "SUN Microsystems" to Chinese Character Set? In-Reply-To: <45391DBE.50105@sun.com> References: <13584623.1161324297387.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app2> <45386B79.10104@sun.com> <45387DD1.8050908@hawaiilinux.us> <4538F1CA.3070704@sun.com> <4538F743.3040103@hawaiilinux.us> <4538FD6D.2070600@Sun.COM> <453909C8.8010002@hawaiilinux.us> <45391679.3030701@sun.com> <45391DBE.50105@sun.com> Message-ID: <45397D07.8030505@sun.com> Hi, Brian and Ienup: Last year, Phill provided one input method to one Taiwan colleague for testing, this input method is based on SunPinYin model, but the corpus is still Simpified Chinese, and when show candidates and commit, it convert the simplified chinese to Traditional Chinese. the Taiwan colleague very like it. We planned to implement it with Traditioanl Chinese corpus directly, and the Taiwan colleague provided some materials for Phill. since Phill left Sun, I am not sure the status now. Since SunPinYin will be opensourced soon, we can begin to implement this project with community's help. Thanks, Ervin. Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote: > Hi, Ienup, > Thanks for the suggestions, I agree with you that we can work on those > issues at the community, I'm talking with Ervin and some other > engineers in Sun China, we can work together to come up with a project > plan. > > Thanks, > Brian > > Ienup Sung wrote: > >> Hi Brian, Wayne, >> >> This appears something that can be done as a project at the community >> or at the Chinese language groups by the way. (Of course, I also think >> filing a bug is great and the first thing to do.) >> >> Furthermore, Sun PinYin will shortly be open sourced and so directly >> updating pinyin.data or have some kind of tool that will allow >> customization >> of system data, creation & access to user data, or both would be >> something >> that could be worked out by community members together! >> >> Just as my two cents, >> >> Ienup >> >> Hawaii Linux Institute wrote at 10/20/06 10:39: >> >>> Hi Brian, >>> >>> As I mentioned earlier, Pin-Yin is the only way for anyone without a >>> traditional Chinese keyboard to input Chinese characters. Its >>> importance cannot be overstated. >>> >>> While the Pin-Yin method in Solaris may not be perfect, it is still >>> much better than anything any Linux distro has to offer (& you >>> wonder why Linux is so poorly accepted by Chinese-speaking >>> Americans). I will definitely submit a bug report. Since this >>> matter is so critically important, plse let me know if there is >>> anything else we can help to improve the Pin-Yin input method for >>> Solaris. >>> >>> >>> Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Wayne, >>>> I've just tried the Pin-Yin input method in Traditional Chinese >>>> locale and confirmed the problem you found, I also found many >>>> phrases contain both Simplified Chinese characters and Traditional >>>> Chinese characters, I think that's a serious bug that a input >>>> method in Traditional Chinese locale doesn't support all >>>> Traditional Chinese characters and provide phrases with mixed >>>> characters from two Chinese languages, I'd suggest you submit a bug >>>> to opensolaris.org and I will also talk with the engineers in Sun >>>> China. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> Hawaii Linux Institute wrote On 2006?10?20? 09:20,: >>>> >>>>> Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the confusions, looks like I need to install the latest >>>>>> OpenSolaris :-), I will check with our engineers in Beijing for >>>>>> what's happened to the New Chu-Yin, maybe it's not added to the >>>>>> list by default because I haven't seen any docs of its EOL. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried the "?????"? It's also for pin yin users to >>>>>> input Traditional Chinese characters, the pin yin for the "?" is >>>>>> "sheng". >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the offered help. But as I mentioned in my initial >>>>> post, I have first tried "?????", and couldn't find the word >>>>> " ?" ("sheng"). IOW, the word "?" is missing from the pin yin >>>>> input method, but is available from zhu yin input method. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> i18n-discuss mailing list >> i18n-discuss at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > i18n-discuss mailing list > i18n-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss From Ienup.Sung at Sun.COM Mon Oct 23 12:35:09 2006 From: Ienup.Sung at Sun.COM (Ienup Sung) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:35:09 -0700 Subject: [g11n-zh-tw-discuss] Re: [i18n-discuss] How to add "SUN Microsystems" to Chinese Character Set? In-Reply-To: <45397D07.8030505@sun.com> References: <13584623.1161324297387.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app2> <45386B79.10104@sun.com> <45387DD1.8050908@hawaiilinux.us> <4538F1CA.3070704@sun.com> <4538F743.3040103@hawaiilinux.us> <4538FD6D.2070600@Sun.COM> <453909C8.8010002@hawaiilinux.us> <45391679.3030701@sun.com> <45391DBE.50105@sun.com> <45397D07.8030505@sun.com> Message-ID: <453D196D.9050702@sun.com> Hi Ervin, Yong, Brian, This is wonderful and exciting news. Thanks! BTW, I think you guys could work this as a project under OSo or a project under the community esp. under the Chinese language groups. (Obviously, it's your call on what to do.) By the way, I understand there is some intelligence built in in the input method that the more you use, the better the anticipation that the input method can provide to the user. Would you please be able to share some more detail on that and other some insights to the community as an introduction? I remember Phill had a presentation material and perhaps that might be a good material to possibly update/polish and share with the community in preparation for possible project engagement. Ienup From Ienup.Sung at Sun.COM Thu Oct 26 13:55:35 2006 From: Ienup.Sung at Sun.COM (Ienup Sung) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:55:35 -0700 Subject: [g11n-zh-tw-discuss] Re: Adding Wayne to the leaders list for Traditional Chinese communities In-Reply-To: <45411DB4.4040705@Sun.COM> References: <41734.1161875853446.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app2> <45411261.1080303@sun.com> <45411DB4.4040705@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <454120C7.8040000@sun.com> Hi Brian, Wayne, That's great and thanks very much for taking the leadership role! I just added Wayne to the leaders list. And, Wayne, and other leaders, if you need anything for your groups in terms of web site support and so on, please do not hesiate to let me or Young know! Ienup Qingjiang (Brian) Yuan wrote at 10/26/06 13:42: > Hi, Ienup, > Would you please also add Wayne to the leaders list so that he can > modify our Traditional Chinese community pages? Wayne has agreed to lead > the two Traditional Chinese communities together with me: > > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/community_structure/zh_tw_group/ > > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/community_structure/zh_hk_group/ > > > > Thanks, > Brian > > Ienup Sung wrote On 2006?10?26? 12:54,: > >> Hello Michal, >> >> This is great and thanks very much for the participation! >> >> In addition to what Young said, I just added your OSo id at the leaders >> list shown at the following: >> >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/leaders/ >> >> so that you can create Polish language group web pages and any other >> needed changes at: >> >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/community_structure/ >> >> >> There is no rules on language group web page except that file types >> that what you can upload are application/x-gzip, application/x-bzip2, >> application/pdf, application/postscript, application/sgml, >> application/xml, >> application/xsl, image/gif, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, >> text/html, >> text/plain, text/sgml, and text/xml. The files must be 15MB or smaller. >> The file name will be converted to lower case. Any characters other than >> letters, numbers, hyphen and underline will be converted to underline. >> >> I know Young probably already asked the mailing list but I'd like to also >> ask to Eric on that. >> >> Hi Eric, >> >> Would you please create Polish group mailing list: >> >> g11n-pl-discuss >> >> as Michal being the list owner? Thanks very much for your help once >> again! >> >> Ienup >> >> Michal Nowak wrote at 10/26/06 08:16: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just wonder what do I need to do to start the polish >>> internationalization and localization group for the OpenSolaris. Been >>> browsing the site, but didn't find anything that may come in handy. I >>> have previous experience in OpenBSD PL Documentation project, ah... >>> and I've a sun badge also (if this counts). >>> >>> Look forward to hear from yer soon. >>> >>> Michal >>> >>> >>> This message posted from opensolaris.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> i18n-discuss mailing list >>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> i18n-discuss mailing list >> i18n-discuss at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss > >