[indiana-discuss] FAM-2 ( was Re: Indiana Problem Statement )

[Doug Scott]

Alberto Ruiz wrote:
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> 2007/7/2, Peter Tribble <peter.tribble at gmail.com 
> <mailto:peter.tribble at gmail.com>>:
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>     No, we should ship top and give users what they want.
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> So, let's ship Microsoft Office with wine facilities. It's what the 
> people want ;-)

Maybe you should actually give a good argument why top should not be 
shipped, rather than just try to argue for the sake of it.
Arguing against 'top' is actually quite easy. i.e. prstat 'can' give 
more accurate information for less load on the system. Maybe the answer 
is to add an option to prstat to output  'top' like formatted data, and 
hardlink 'top' to prstat.

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>     I regard the aim as being to provide a useful and user-friendly
>     environment, not to explicitly advertise to the user how
>     deficient and user-hostile Solaris is.
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> The point here, people are used to top, but that doesn't mean, that 
> people want top. They only want a  way to know what could be eating 
> all their memory or CPU.
They are used to typing top and getting certain information. It is not 
hard to make prstat display an accurate version of this information that 
they are used to.

> Actually, top is not something you can trust that much as a measure of 
> that, OpenSolaris has better tools for achieve that. Explaining the 
> user which tools should he use for achieve his goals is not hostility 
> at all.

Actually, all performance measuring tools have their limitations. Eithen 
dtrace is not always 100% accurate.

Doug
P.S. I actually hate 'top'. But I also hate vmstat, iostat, sar. They 
are all wrong :)