[indiana-discuss] Indiana is the wrong development

[Alberto Ruiz]

2007/6/14, Gueven Bay <guevenbay at web.de>:
>
> Hello dear community,
>
> In my opinion Indiana is the wrong direction of development. All those
> "easy
> distributions" - with which I mean also the "easy distros" of GNU/Linux
> but I will
> concentrate here on Solaris-land - will not get to the goal of secure,
> stable
> infrastructures and services.
> I want to describe the reasons here.
>
> The original Solaris infrastructures had always the reputation of
> stability,
> security and reliability. This was not because of bullshitbingo or
> marketing
> material but because of the knowing, qualified users.
>
> What are knowing, qualified users? For an enduser we can say, that he
> knows
> and understands his system from an eagle view. That there is a console,
> that there
> is a shell, a display manager, an X server and so on. Even if he doesn't
> understands
> how they are working, he understands that there is a pile of services and
> their respective
> configuration (files) which he can start and stop and that there is help
> in form of
> docu. Because of this he can "form" his (virtual) workplace and can run it
> in
> stable manner.
>
> Such users - which include admins and developers who are knowing users
> which
> specialised further - built the reputation of stable, secure and reliable
> Solaris
> infrastructures.
>
> But the "easy distros" are going to the wrong direction : They want to
> tell the user
> that the complex machine under his table is as easy as a video recorder -
> or maybe
> as easy as a toaster -.
> This is wrong in two ways:
> 1) The "easy distros" are building a false assumption. A PC is much more
> complex then
> a video recorder.
> 2) From this false assumption the users of these "easy distros" become
> more and more
> lazy.
>
> Above I wrote that in my critic I also see the "easy distros" of
> GNU/Linux. Please,
> go to the forums of these distros and read the questions of their users.
> In the last
> consequence these users want to do lesser and lesser work, they want that
> their live CD
> boots, reads their minds and automagically start the music files they want
> to listen now.
> But no distro, no software, no network/infrastructure can meet these
> requirements, no
> PC can be so easy to use.


I thought that computers were meant to save humas to do boring work. Don't
blame users for asking about easier ways to achieve what they want, blame
developers for not providing easier tools.

I don't want such a development for (Open)Solaris - not for the original
> version and
> not for the free software version -.


If you think it's not worth, don't work on this, remove your subscription
off this list, and forget about indiana. But don't try to stop people
enthusiasm. I believe it's worth, and I have really strong reasons, based on
my experience on this field, to think that it's worth, and its the only way
to gain a healthy community, (by the way, trying to stop people to work on
what they think its ok for them, is not a good behaviour). And I don't like
people trying to convince me to stop what I think its worth to do.

I'm one of those users that won't use OpenSolaris for my development and
deployment projects until some of the Indiana goals are succeed, that's why
I'm working on it, If you stop me to do so, OpenSolaris would have an
enthusiast less. So please, stop that.

There is one development in the internet today and that is "unsecurity".
> More and more
> threats from more and more classes of programs target the users of most
> classes
> of computer systems. But there is still a group of users who can still
> laugh about these
> threats: The users of Unix-like operating systems. They can laugh because
> they are knowing
> and qualified users.


That's elitism.

The group of the most lazy users - the users of the operating system with
> the biggest
> market share - had stopped laughing a long time ago. Soon the next lesser
> lazy user group
> - the users of an operating system for media professionals - will stop
> laughing.
> I want that the OpenSolaris uses can still laugh in 5 years.


Good for you, welcome aboard, we want the same goal, work with the kernel
guys, Indiana is about how we deliver the code, not about code quality.

BTW, I find thinking in terms of people laughing about others a quite sad
attitude. Software freedom is about freedom, to everyone, the less people
are able to reach OpenSolaris, the less people are able to "luagh at
others", or feel themselves comfortable with a good operating system.


> (I know that the infrastructure above has many points to make finer and
> more polished but
> it has the full skeleton I think to build upon.)


I haven't found any sentence  on your mail to explain why Indiana would harm
the quality of the OpenSolaris code. I encourage you to try to understand
carefully what Indiana is, what it tries to solve, and why the people that
have thought about it as a good idea have came up with that conclusion.

best regards
> Gueven
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-- 
Un saludo,
Alberto Ruiz
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