[indiana-discuss] Indiana is the wrong development

[Gueven Bay]

> Hello community.
 
> I just want to add something, in the other direction. Do you know how
> your car works ? Do you think all people who drive car know how
> injection, engine, starter, and other kind of stuf ? I dont want to
> allow only F1 driver or other rallye, nascar driver to drive a car. I
> want to use one too. And if possible without making some repair, or
> other mecanics thinks.

STOP!

I am not a car mechanic, far from it. But nevertheless I can probe the oil of
my car, I can change a light bulb of my car, I know if my car is not
starting then it is either the battery or the starter and so on...
(And I think you can do all these things, too.)

But your comparison ends here. 

Fact Nr.1 is that a computer - may it be a PC or a server or a DSL router -
is a much more complex thing because you can make much more things with it.
A car is only and only for driving. 
With a computer you can not only make one kind of work.

You have to create user(s), create configurations for your desktop environment,
make scripts for regular work (cron), make regularly a fsck on your disks , 
configure and monitor your network access and many, many things more 
because of the reason above: 
Your computer makes many things at the same time,
connecting you with your friends, downloads the files you wish, compute your monthly
income and let you watch videos more or less at the same time.

You have to know how to do these things (the mentioned configurations) or 
you will - and we know this is treu if we look at the Windows users - have the "experience"
of the Windows users: an unstable working machine, an unsecure machine, which is driven by
scripts kids and some other not good things more (for example a machine which becomes 
slower and slower).

Fact Nr.2 is that all those "easy distributions" are working for a more and more Windows like
"experience". Only because of the old and knowing, qualified users of Unix-like environments
they don't let operate the user from the beginning as "root". 
Only because these knowing users are the source and developers of the easy distros of today
are they still stable and secure. But I already see many unstable bits and sides in todays 
easy distros.

> For Solaris (I'm new to the Solaris World) I think adding a "new
> branch" like Indiana project It's a good idea for help solaris to be
> know over the world, and only if Solaris want to come on desktop (of
> end user). Keep a Solaris clean, secure and performants for server and
> "pro-user".

What I proposed is _not_ for severs only. 
Above I explained with some examples what a user today has to do to 
create a stable, secure and reliable working environment.

Please, stop this argument of : Only administrators of thousand machines have
to know about the boot sequence and services. 
Do you know how many ports a "normal" Fedora distro has open after the install?
Go and look, please.
Fedora is an enduser distro.

I don't want a OpenSolaris distro which has tens of ports open after the install
because some users are lazy to open them for themselfs after the install
just by editing some _text_ files. NO!

This has nothing to do with servers.

> For me Indiana is a good "plus".

For me Indiana is th wrong direction for a _Solaris_ development.
 

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