[indiana-discuss] Standards ? An derivative proposal.

[Milan Jurik]

Hi John,

John Sonnenschein píše v po 14. 01. 2008 v 23:16 -0800:
> On 14-Jan-08, at 10:41 PM, Moinak Ghosh wrote:
> 
> > Anil Gulecha wrote:
> >> On 1/15/08, John Sonnenschein <johnsonnenschein at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Question.
> >>>
> >>> I very much am not a fan of the GNUserland & bash, not least of  
> >>> which because they take the concept of standards and toss them  
> >>> right out the window.
> >>>
> >>> Part of why I came to Solaris in the first place when the OpenSol  
> >>> project launched was precisely because the default userland wasn't  
> >>> full of incompatible & self-inconsistent GNU tools.
> >>>
> >>> It seems that the default Indiana distribution wants to remove  
> >>> this compelling reason to use Solaris.
> >>>
> >>> So, I have a question/proposal. Is anyone other than myself  
> >>> interested in taking the Indiana bits that exist currently, and  
> >>> rolling a distribution with far saner and less linux-y defaults ?
> >>>
> >>> My idea is to have whatever development needs to be done ( and it  
> >>> ought not to be much )  run parallel to the indiana-proper  
> >>> development, in order to have something ready on indiana's  
> >>> official release date
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> I'm probably will sound cynical, but isn't this just changing the  
> >> slim
> >> installer code to not add /usr/gnu/bin to the path. Doing this should
> >> take care of the non-compatibility complaints.Is there something else
> >> I'm missing?
> >>
> >> Are you proposing a project to take care of the above installer code?
> >> And wouldn't it be a better solution to start a discussion on adding
> >> an option to the installer that allows the user to select his
> >> favourite userland.
> >>
> >
> >  On similar lines, how would this distro be different from Indiana  
> > other than
> >  not having bash as the default shell and not having /usr/gnu/bin in  
> > the PATH ?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Moinak.
> 
> Okay, slightly better enumerated
> 1) GNU tools which duplicate functionality of tools already included  
> in O/N should be explicitly pulled in by the user with pkg framework,  
> or through an installer option ( again, with defaults set to standards  
> compliance/legacy mode )
> 2) Defaults shall be in order of those included with legacy solaris,  
> then standards compliance tools ( xpg ).
> 3) shell shall be 100% compatible with legacy bourne shell
> 

I still hope that this will happen even in Indiana (yes, I'm naive) and
only preview was changed in that way (they said they will go to ARC
before official release...). But if not, I will need to change my
possible Indiana installs in the future in such way personally, so I'm
interested.

Best regards,

Milan