[indiana-discuss] Is the 2008.05 iso now based on build 91?

[Dennis Clarke]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Thommy M. Malmström
<thommym at at-hardeberga.com> wrote:
>> >> Which version of pkg(5) are you running?  You can
>> >> check this using the
>> >> command "pkg version".
>> >
>> > Probably the .91 as that is what I installed, but
>> I'll check tomorrow when at office.
>>
>> In the link you provided
>>
>>       http://jp.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageI
>> =254206&tstart=0
>>
>> the message showed an attempt to install
>> SUNWipkg at 0.5.11-0.91 - were
>> you already running build 91 at the time?  Note that
>> you should be
>> installing the version of SUNWipkg that corresponds
>> to your build.  If
>> you've just installed 2008.05, the version of
>> SUNWipkg you want to
>> install is SUNWipkg at 0.5.11-0.86.
>
>
> Well, that's what I was ranting(*) about in the first place. How can I know what version to install? It's not very well documented.

I have to agree that this is complete gobblydygook :

-bash-3.2# pkg install -v -n SUNWipkg at 0.5.11-0.86
Before evaluation:
UNEVALUATED:
+pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080620T101700Z

After evaluation:
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080426T174940Z ->
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080620T101700Z
None

So that means less than nothing to me. I have more than a little bit
of experience with Solaris and maybe even some hands on with various
Solaris Nevada releases but I have no clue what is going on with this
new package format and all those versions all over the place. This
thing is only 60 days old ( almost ) and it is out of control in terms
of package versions already.

Look at http://pkg.opensolaris.org/status and then search for the ipkg
release versions and you see :

pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20071031T175339Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080423T061943Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080426T174940Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080205T160845Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080205T151051Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20071114T202952Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080422T214950Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080428T105333Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080423T061913Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080428T105324Z

hell .. it isn't even sorted in any order ... let me sort that
manually. Looks like a 5.11-075 in there and that is the lowest ..

pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20071031T175339Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080205T151051Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20071114T202952Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080423T061913Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080428T105324Z

and then 5.11-0.79

pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080423T061943Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080205T160845Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080428T105333Z

and then ... what? 0.5.11,5.11-0.86 it looks like

pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080426T174940Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080422T214950Z

and then we need to sort the timestamps .. but I'm not going to do
that manually.

HOLD ON A SEC ....

the situation is .. worse

-bash-3.2# wget --output-document=pkg_status http://pkg.opensolaris.org/status
--19:10:08--  http://pkg.opensolaris.org/status
           => `pkg_status'
Resolving pkg.opensolaris.org... 72.5.123.21
Connecting to pkg.opensolaris.org|72.5.123.21|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]

    0K ......                                                 307.04 KB/s

19:10:10 (307.04 KB/s) - `pkg_status' saved [417050]

-bash-3.2#

-bash-3.2# grep SUNWipkg pkg_status | grep -v gui
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20071031T175339Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080423T061943Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080426T174940Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080205T160845Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080205T151051Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20071114T202952Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080422T214950Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080428T105333Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080423T061913Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080428T105324Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.89:20080527T164546Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080529T103045Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.90:20080604T143532Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.91:20080613T182326Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.90:20080613T183353Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080613T183415Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080620T101700Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.90:20080620T101731Z
pkg:/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.91:20080620T101740Z
-bash-3.2#

-bash-3.2# grep SUNWipkg pkg_status | grep -v gui | cut -f2,3 -d\: | sort
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20071031T175339Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20071114T202952Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080205T151051Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080423T061913Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.75:20080428T105324Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080205T160845Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080423T061943Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.79:20080428T105333Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080422T214950Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080426T174940Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080529T103045Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080613T183415Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.86:20080620T101700Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.89:20080527T164546Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.90:20080604T143532Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.90:20080613T183353Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.90:20080620T101731Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.91:20080613T182326Z
/SUNWipkg at 0.5.11,5.11-0.91:20080620T101740Z
-bash-3.2#

So the last one there is 0.5.11,5.11-0.91:20080620T101700Z

okay .. so that is the latest guy ..

This is nothing short of insane in terms of versions to track and to
figure out what a user would want. Those previous versions should be
hidden or buried .. or .. hell .. dumped onto tape or a ZFS snapshot
somewhere. Don't expose all that to an ordinary user.

If the objective here is to make things easier for the new user ...
sorry but this is a big miss by a wide margin. In the army this would
be called a winger. Like a high explosives round that lands on the
highway two miles to the left of the target area.

Dennis Clarke