[indiana-discuss] Indiana desktop UI spec - early draft

[Darren Davis]

Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Darren Davis <ddavis at novell.com> wrote:
>   
>> Shawn Walker wrote:
>>  > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Sebastien Roy <Sebastien.Roy at sun.com> wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> Shawn Walker wrote:
>>  >>  > That has always flabbergasted me as well.
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > Most users are going to be more familiar with Evolution (since it is
>>  >>  > "like MS Outlook") than Thunderbird.
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > Though I suppose that depends on whether you are talking about Linux
>>  >>  > users or users from other platforms.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Speaking for myself only, I used Evolution for years on Solaris, and I
>>  >>  dropped it in favor Thunderbird due to stability issues.  Evolution was
>>  >>  at the time simply too slow (I have a huge number of nested IMAP folders
>>  >>  with a huge number of messages), and had too many important bugs related
>>  >>  to both stability and usability that no-one was willing to fix.  I
>>  >>  haven't used it since (it has been a few years), so maybe that has
>>  >>  changed since then.  I just did a quick tour again just now, and it
>>  >>  doesn't look like much has changed.  It took over 45 seconds to load a
>>  >>  single small ascii-only message buried in a large IMAP folder, and four
>>  >>  minutes for the frozen Evolution main window to disappear after I did
>>  >>  File->Quit.
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  > Bugs should be fixed; not used as a reason to choose other software.
>>  >
>>  > Evolution is well-integrated into GNOME; Thunderbird is not.
>>  >
>>
>>  By that same argument then why aren't you choosing Epiphany over
>>  Firefox?  Personally, I think Firefox and Thunderbird are far more
>>  accepted and used than Epiphany or Evolution on GNOME.
>>     
>
> The discussion was about Evolution; not Epiphany.
>   

Yes, I know.  I was there for that part. :/

> The same argument applies :)
>   

What that Epiphany would be preferential to Firefox?

> However, FireFox 3 is supposed to integrate much better with GNOME, so
> that complaint will be addressed.
>
> Thunderbird, however, is still far behind and is not moving towards
> "being GNOME integrated" as far as I know.
>
> For example, appointments, etc. in Evolution will show up on the GNOME
> calendar, and so on.
>
>   

Yeah, guess I would just use Sunbird. :P

In the end and as others mentioned I fall into the giving choice 
category.  Like others have reflected, I have tried Evolution on several 
occasions and it has always feel far short of my expectations.  But hey, 
whatever works for you.  I would think giving someone the choice of 
either would be the best solution and I still think that the launcher 
should be removed from the panel but available in the menus.

Later,

Darren