[indiana-discuss] [i18n-discuss] OpenSolaris 2008.11 build_98 test results

[W. Wayne Liauh]

> Hi Wayne,
> > 
> > But the problem here is "technical"--a very stupid
> &
> > conspicuous technical incompetence that will have
> a
> > very profound negative impact not just about
> > OpenSolaris, but about Sun (& those of us who have
> > nothing to do with Sun) as well.
> > 
> > The last problem I mentioned can be better
> described
> > in another screenshot:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/solzh4
> 
> Looking at your screenshot http://tinyurl.com/solzh4,
> the string display appears 
> to screw up with "m" most noticeably. I am suspecting
> you are picking up 
> proportional fonts for a terminal.  Can you check the
> font setting in 
> gnome-terminal profile?
> 
> > 
> > When I changed the log-in locale from Chinese to
> > American English, OpenSolaris created a
> non-directory
> > file called Desktop (-rw-r--r--), while keeping
> the
> > 桌面 (Desktop in Chinese) directory that was created
> > when I logged into the Chinese locale.
> 
> There is another thread in i18n-discuss mailing list
> about the directory
> name changes. I personally think the names should not
> be changed by
> just changing the log-in locale. Your test case is a
> good one to test.
> I'll test on that one too. 
> 
> > 
> > So, every time I clicked on the "Places" on the
> GNOME
> > menu bar, I always got an error message.  And I
> > cannot access the files that I created when I was
> in
> > the Chinese locale.  This is further complicated
> by
> > the fact that IIIM can go on strike (partially
> > crashed) often at a very critical moment.
> 
> I see a number of posting on IIIM.
> There are some important bug fixes went in recently.
> I think it is best to use 
> bug database to track these issues as that will help
> us to be clear about what is an 
> open bug and what is resolved. Are you referring to
> an issue you reported before?
> 
> > 
> > Also, when you look at the screenshot more
> closely,
> > you will find out that even some of the English
> > letters are garbled (& this is in en-US--American
> > English--locale!).  I think you really have to try
> > very very hard to find another operating system
> that
> > will show this kind of problem.  IF EVER.
> 
> Regarding the garbled display,, please see my comment
> above. I don't see 
> terminal window screwed up on my system, and I think
> resetting the font for 
> gnome-terminal would solve the issue. If not, please
> let me know the 
> setting you have.
> 
> Regards,
> -shinobu

Hi,

1.  The test case was a fresh installation of build 99.  I did not change ANYTHING except installing OpenOffice.org, importing Firefox bookmarks, creating a test file in OOo, and setting a mail account in Thunderbird.

2.  We really don't expect the default fonts to do those screwy things, even if it only involves m, @, and perhaps a few other letters/symbols, do we?

3.  Typically, I always install the en_US locale of OpenSolaris.  But, then I will get Chinese filenames screwed up in OpenOffice.org.  (This problem has been solved in Linux and Windows, Solaris is the only operating system that still has this problem.) 

4.  The reason that I installed the traditional locale of OpenSolaris is that this is the ONLY way that I will not have garbled Chinese fonts in OpenOffice.org.

5.  But the side effect of Item No. 4 is that when I log in the English locale, I got a system that is worst than anything I could have ever imagined (it reminds me of some college students trying to home grow a Linux desktop more than ten years ago--except that this is worse).  I must admit that I was shocked.  I am actually beginning to lose confidence in OpenSolaris.  I don't believe anything so subpar, so stupid, could be allowed to come out.

6.  Even with the Chinese version of OpenSolaris, if I change the default font setting, I will again screw up the OpenOffice Chinese font display.

7.  I am totally at a loss why the default fonts for the en_US locale could be different, depending on whether I install the English version or Chinese version of OpenSolaris?  This is very weird and indeed unacceptable.  I think (& definitely hope) someone could address this problem, considering Sun has so much manpower on the g11n/i18n thing.

8.  I did not change the name of or create new directories when I change the log-in locale.  This causes the GNOME desktop unable to find the "Desktop" directory and becomes almost totally unusable.

9.  I think most of the problems are easily solvable.  The key issue is still the garbled Chinese fonts in OpenOffice.org dialog window.  Before this problem is solved, OpenSolaris will not go beyond a piece of plastic disc that no one has the intention to install.

10.  My offer still stands.  If Sun Beijing is willing to hire a student intern to specifically solve these problems, I will pay for his/her stipend.  Everything else in OpenSolaris is progressing so well, let's hope we will be able to timely remove this major stumbling block.

Oh, BTW, please do not mention the word "IIIMF".  I am very allergic to this word.  Thank you.
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