[indiana-discuss] "Where do I download OpenSolaris" Ian Murdock
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Thanks for the information Ché! <div><br> </div><div>The installer definitely helps. Seems to, at this moment, be more or less a copy of the old one in terms of functionality; I hope they innovate in this arena a bit and obviously they should with ZFS support and some other bells perhaps being added here. I'm also very much looking forward to further refinement and expansion.
</div><div><br> </div><div>I will look into the other items that you've brought out as well. Yes, the Xen issue is a sore spot for sure, but it can become a crown jewel if just a bit of polish and refinement are cast upon this immediately rather than later after the backend work is refined. It is often better for developers to work on the front side after they get a least a somewhat functioning backside done as it will lead to quicker adoption and much, much more community feedback. Sure they can stamp a big fat warning label on the frontside to warn folks of the explosions that they may see while using it, however it would go a long way to polish it up sooner than later.
</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Something also that would be very useful would be a better out of the box environment setup. It would be nice to see all bin paths already added and some better direction right on the desktop for those of us just getting started.
</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Also, I am currently struggling with b71 on the networking config. It seems that some things have changed and right off the bat I'm not able to config my nics and so forth as before. Any good getting started sites or information for this? I am really at an impasse.
</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Also, again, I'm noticing a large degree of slowness and it seems that a 1GB machine would act a bit more quickly in loading apps, X and so on.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Thanks much!<br><br> </div><div>-George</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 8/27/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ché Kristo</b> <<a href="mailto:chekristo at gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">chekristo at gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br><br>Thanks for the suggestions. I'll respond to things where I can<br><br>> I felt like I was jumping back to Linux circa '98 and fbsd around the same time when the ports system was being heavily developed.
<br><br>Agreed...there is work being done on the packaging system, take a look at the [u]Indiana Problem Statement[/u]: <a href="http://www.opensolaris.org/os" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.opensolaris.org/os</a>/project/indiana/documents/problem_statement/ in particular. [u]3.2 Package Management[/u]. Although if you are looking at a build system see [u]PKG-5[/u].
<br><br>>Second, put Xen in the front row. We need to see that we can pop a Windows or other installation right in at the onset of installation (well, I mean immediately following installation). Give us a nice gui like that which exists for ZFS and take folks by the hand so that we know that a VMware/Parallels like solution is right there waiting for us to utilize.
<br><br>I'll second that, a user friendly implementation that provides similar functionality to VMWare workstation would work a treat, at the moment you have to use the VNC client to "remotely" connect to your Xen Guest OS, not exactly intuitive...and setting up that Guest is another story.
<br><br>>Third, give us zfs config and installation by default.<br><br>I'm pretty sure that ZFS default is a design goal, i'll be pretty surprised if it isn't<br><br>>I would also add some polish to the installer.
<br><br>You can download a demo of the new dwarf-caiman installer here: <a href="http://www.opensolaris.org/os" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.opensolaris.org/os</a>/project/caiman/files/SUNWgui-
install-x86.pkg or if you are willing to run the latest Solaris Express Community Edition (NV70) you can use the real thing, see Dave Miner's blog entry:
<a href="http://blogs.sun.com/dminer" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://blogs.sun.com/dminer</a>/entry/try_out_the_dwarf_caiman<br><br>Also you can take a look at the screenshots here:
<a href="http://www.gnome.org/%7Egman" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.gnome.org/%7Egman
</a>/gui-install/<br><br>>Things also *seem* slow when you get into X. I don't know why, but it just seems generally slower than XF86 or Xorg on an ubuntu distro, gentoo, etc.<br><br>Try the help forum: <a href="http://www.opensolaris.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.opensolaris.org</a>/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=31<br><br>>I'll probably come back with many more suggestions if I find some time to install Nevada again and try to get netatalk going.<br><br>Thanks again for your constructive feedback.
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