[ogb-discuss] Project proposal - Integration (MFI driver for LSI network chipsets)

[Alan DuBoff]

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, James Carlson wrote:

> You're mistaken.  The "ZFS team" isn't an ARC member ... in fact, I
> don't think anyone on that team is a member.  Only ARC members can
> derail fast-tracks.
>
> Those who are not ARC members can (in the short term) raise issues
> and, when there are problems, gather support for their positions.  In
> the longer term, becoming an ARC member provides more direct input,
> but at a not insignificant cost.
>
> The bottom line is that, even as an ARC member, you need to build
> consensus if you want to do anything.  Treating every small problem
> and disagreement as an extinction level event is probably not a course
> that will produce good results.

I am certainly no ARC expert, but have sit in on enough of the meetings to 
know that what Joerg suggest hasn't happened and doesn't work the way he 
thinks it does.

If Joerg spent half the time working on getting his case together rather 
than complaining about the system, he would be much farther ahead to 
getting anything putback. It's his choice and his time, he just needs to 
understand that he will not be putting anything back of his until that 
happens.

> In any event, in the discussions I've seen, I haven't seen any
> indication of failure.  I've seen heated and protracted discussions
> between community members and a very small minority of participants,
> many of which were held on the wrong mailing lists and off-topic and
> well past the point of diminishing returns, but I haven't seen what
> could be called "failure" -- except a failure on the part of that
> minority to convince the majority of the value of their claims.

There seems to be a misconception of the way the system works. I am 
certainly no expert on the ARCs, but it is clear that Joerg doesn't know 
WTF he is talking about.

FWIW, Masayuki Murayama was able to get some of his code putback 
recentely, and he didn't do it by spitting and p!$$ing all over the people 
trying to help him putback. Most thanks go to Garrett D'Amore for helping 
to assist through the process. I suspect that Masa will have another 
driver putback before Joerg makes any substantial headway on any putback 
he intends to do, but that is only speculation on my part.

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Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group