[osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

[Erast Benson]

To me, this development is just yet another Debian architecture and
sure, some in Debian community will like. It also connects to Nexenta in
many ways - which is good for us. We can't stop such port from happening
- so I think we should embrace it as a secondary "lefty" architecture.

On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 11:37 -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote:
> The kFreeBSD port has had a lot of considerable issues with porting
> software. Remember, we'd need to port the ON tools such as the ZFS
> admin tools to glibc.
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/ArchiveQualification/kfreebsd-i386
> 
> They also haven't been able to get things like the wifi tools for
> FreeBSD working. I'm not saying that adapting glibc is a bad thing,
> but we need to figure out if we really want to go down this path.
> Michael
> 
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Erast Benson <erast at gnusolaris.org> wrote:
> > Right. And in addition to autotools, such port complicates further ON
> > merges which will unavoidably lead to higher rate of errors/bugs.
> >
> > But because GNU/kFreeBSD exists, I do not see why GNU/kOpenSolaris can't
> > be...
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 09:27 -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote:
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> >> Debian's main issue is that parts of Sun's libc are not open (mostly
> >> libc_i18n; they require all bits to be open). Having seen the issues
> >> kFreeBSD has had with using glibc with their kernel, I'm not sure if
> >> its work having a ksolaris port since configure will no longer
> >> identify the platform as Solaris, so most autotools scripts will
> >> break.
> >> Michael
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> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Joerg Schilling
> >> <Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
> >> > Erast Benson <erast at gnusolaris.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yes, such port makes sense and solves some of the issues (mostly GNU
> >> >> libc portability) but unfortunately creates new issues, which I'm sure,
> >> >> could be worked out and soon we should have more or less working first
> >> >> ISO available with support for this new exciting architecture!
> >> >
> >> > What do you expect from this "port"?
> >> >
> >> > In glibc, features expected on Solaris are missing. I would expect that this
> >> > port would rather create portabilitly problems than solving any issue.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> > makes sense to use glibc. This would also solve the legal problem that
> >> >> > Debian had with linking Sun's libc with dpkg [1]. glibc is licensed
> >> >> > under LGPL with a linking exception, so linking CDDL code against the
> >> >> > glibc is also legal. In keeping with past glibc ports (e.g. kFreeBSD,
> >> >
> >> > Debian is a license troll.
> >> >
> >> > There are two ways to deal with this kind of trolling:
> >> >
> >> > 1)      Ignore it comppletely
> >> >
> >> > 2)      find evidence that the claims from Debian are nonsense.
> >> >
> >> > Taking actions on the Debian trolling is definitely the wrong way.
> >> >
> >> > BTW: Sun lawyers knows that there is no problem with linking GPLd applications
> >> > against CDDL libraries. The GPL does not forbid it (in fact the GPL does not
> >> > say anything about it as this is something that happens "outside" the GPL
> >> > "work").
> >> >
> >> > Sun would not ship GNOME and /usr/gnu/* if Sun would not be _very_ certain that
> >> > Debian is trolling. Sun is happily waiting for being sued by a copyright holder
> >> > of a GPLd program shipped with OpenSolaris. _this_ is one way of implementing
> >> > (2) above.
> >> >
> >> > Jörg
> >> >
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