From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Dec 1 18:28:20 2005 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:28:20 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Project Kickoff - Training DVD Message-ID: <438FB144.2040706@Sun.COM> Hi Folks, A while back I sent out a note soliciting feedback on what you thought should be included on a training DVD for university students. Included below is a summary of the feedback we received. Feel free to add to the list. And even cooler than that, I'm happy to say that we are moving ahead. For the time being, Maria Lopez, Patrick Finch and I will be working on this project. But, we would love your help! Is there anyone out there with expertise in: - Video-based training? - DVD creation? - Translation to other languages? (We're starting with English, but plan to produce in Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, Portuguese, and French.) Or maybe you don't have expertise, but a passion and interest for this kind of thing. Come join us! And, if you prefer to watch from the sidelines, we'll be sure to keep you up-to-date on the Academic and Research Community pages. That's it, T ===================================================================== 1. Install & boot the latest Solaris development build (OpenSolaris) Installing: Document: how to install and boot Solaris Express / OpenSolaris Video of a Solaris installation Additional: Multiboot (important!) Documentation, preparing multiboot (upgrade BIOS, partitioning disks), any specifics Specifics: Supported hardware - what is and is not available Common platforms, any specifics Laptops, any specifics Installing on VMware and Virtual PC 2. Key differences in Solaris Community release and other operating systems History of Solaris and associated OSs? What to expect from OpenSolaris vs Linux vs FreeBSD (vs XP ??? nah!) "Rosetta stone" (translation of main commands) if available. What is different about Solaris? (Point to latest features) 3. Awareness of online resources availability Pointers to key info on opensolaris.org Pointers to other external sites, blastwave.org, Cuddletech Pointers to resources on: DTrace, Laptop community, frequently used device drivers 4. Familiarity of OpenSolaris community development process. Open Source development - overview Submitting bugs Submitting putbacks Release cycles of OpenSolaris, and commercial OpenSolaris distributions Releasing your own distribution (why not?) From benr at cuddletech.com Fri Dec 2 01:45:42 2005 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:45:42 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! Message-ID: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news of the last week has been, frankly, overwhelming. Its clear everywhere you look that people are having a very hard time digesting just how much has changed. As evangelists we really need to kick the blogging and podcasts into high gear to help users and potential customers get a grip on this new era. I'm ramping up my blog and dropping some projects off for a bit while I tried to help fill in the gaps. We really need an all out onslaught here. A lot of people aren't even reading the news about the changes, just seeing headlines or tidbits of news and getting an incomplete picture. FUD is flying in the midst of all the goodness. More than any time in Sun's history those of us in the community of evangelists and zealots have more than ever to fuel interest and possibly conversion. Some people want to change, others don't. Thats entirely their choice and we respect that... but there is a huge amount of the market (developer, enthusiast, hacker, enterprise, integration... you name the market) that are open to a better oppertunity and more value and are ready to take a fresh long hard look at what Sun and the community are doing. After years of taking crap ("Sun's dead...", "Slow-aris...", "No driver support...", we've heard it all) we've had a good year. A ground breaking year and now we've seen the sparks of interest grow into explosions of intrest and now Sun's poured napalm on the grill. If ever in the history of Sun evangelism there was a time to seriously turn up the volume, this is it. We need to show that the community is firmly behind the current moves and thriving. The stage is set, the peices are prepared for the big shin-dig on the 6th and I think we, as the community working with Sun, need to hold up our end of the bargin and really get the word out. Blog early, blog often. benr. From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri Dec 2 07:37:13 2005 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:37:13 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> Message-ID: <43906A29.5050606@sun.com> Dear all, An updated report to 28th November is available here http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/week_24_stats/ regards Patrick From blastwave at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 09:48:11 2005 From: blastwave at gmail.com (Dennis Clarke) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:48:11 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: On 12/2/05, Ben Rockwood wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news of I am in the process of writing a scorced earth blog. My email is getting filled up with crud and FUD from Red Hat, IBM and Novell about making the switch from expensive proprietary UNIX to more cost effective Linux. What a pile of ... In any case, no blog worth reading can be done without hard data. So I am talking with sales people and getting quotes for the big move from Solaris to Linux and looking at the costs. Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS (Premium for x86, AMD64 & Intel EM64T, Intel Itanium, and POWER) $2,499.00 !! The cost of the support contract for a single socket system blows them out of the water already. But then again, I already blogged that. Oh .. and my love for UltraSparc based servers is getting me nowhere fast with RedHat. Its like I am speaking a whole foreign language. I am asking them why their open system Red Hat Enterprise Linux will run on IBM POWER but not on Sun UltraSparc ? Why ? Oh .. I see, you're full of crap. That's why. Dennis From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Dec 2 10:25:38 2005 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:25:38 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <439091A2.5090602@sun.com> Ben, Thanks! If you write it, produce it, record it, design it, let me know. I am here to help to promote whatever you are doing for and about OpenSolaris. Sara Ben Rockwood wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news of > the last week has been, frankly, overwhelming. Its clear everywhere > you look that people are having a very hard time digesting just how > much has changed. As evangelists we really need to kick the blogging > and podcasts into high gear to help users and potential customers get > a grip on this new era. I'm ramping up my blog and dropping some > projects off for a bit while I tried to help fill in the gaps. > > We really need an all out onslaught here. A lot of people aren't even > reading the news about the changes, just seeing headlines or tidbits > of news and getting an incomplete picture. FUD is flying in the midst > of all the goodness. More than any time in Sun's history those of us > in the community of evangelists and zealots have more than ever to > fuel interest and possibly conversion. Some people want to change, > others don't. Thats entirely their choice and we respect that... but > there is a huge amount of the market (developer, enthusiast, hacker, > enterprise, integration... you name the market) that are open to a > better oppertunity and more value and are ready to take a fresh long > hard look at what Sun and the community are doing. > > After years of taking crap ("Sun's dead...", "Slow-aris...", "No > driver support...", we've heard it all) we've had a good year. A > ground breaking year and now we've seen the sparks of interest grow > into explosions of intrest and now Sun's poured napalm on the grill. > If ever in the history of Sun evangelism there was a time to seriously > turn up the volume, this is it. We need to show that the community is > firmly behind the current moves and thriving. The stage is set, the > peices are prepared for the big shin-dig on the 6th and I think we, as > the community working with Sun, need to hold up our end of the bargin > and really get the word out. > > Blog early, blog often. > > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Mon Dec 5 07:11:20 2005 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:11:20 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> Hey Folks, Here comes a resounding "me too" : I completely agree with Ben's impassioned pleas - though I wonder how to fight the FUD most effectively ? Blogs from non-Sun folks would *certainly* help imho - but being a Sun employee, if I spend hours responding to a particular item of FUDitude, isn't that what people are going to expect, and won't they simply ignore my content when they see the domainname ? Would my time be better spent simply continuing to write the sort of articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the things I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day basis[1] ? How do I best fight FUD, given that I'm going to appear biased regardless ? [ in fact, does fighting FUD suggest that we're taking these morons seriously ? I'm not sure : how do traditional marketing folks deal with this sort of thing - Sara, Laura, any ideas? ] cheers, tim [1] I've more posts in mind about ZFS and backups, and another titled "ZFS, you had me at hello (with apologies to Jerry Maguire)" talking about the joys of snapshots. On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 01:45 -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news of > the last week has been, frankly, overwhelming. Its clear everywhere you > look that people are having a very hard time digesting just how much has > changed. As evangelists we really need to kick the blogging and > podcasts into high gear to help users and potential customers get a grip > on this new era. I'm ramping up my blog and dropping some projects off > for a bit while I tried to help fill in the gaps. > > We really need an all out onslaught here. A lot of people aren't even > reading the news about the changes, just seeing headlines or tidbits of > news and getting an incomplete picture. FUD is flying in the midst of > all the goodness. More than any time in Sun's history those of us in > the community of evangelists and zealots have more than ever to fuel > interest and possibly conversion. Some people want to change, others > don't. Thats entirely their choice and we respect that... but there is > a huge amount of the market (developer, enthusiast, hacker, enterprise, > integration... you name the market) that are open to a better > oppertunity and more value and are ready to take a fresh long hard look > at what Sun and the community are doing. > > After years of taking crap ("Sun's dead...", "Slow-aris...", "No driver > support...", we've heard it all) we've had a good year. A ground > breaking year and now we've seen the sparks of interest grow into > explosions of intrest and now Sun's poured napalm on the grill. > > If ever in the history of Sun evangelism there was a time to seriously > turn up the volume, this is it. We need to show that the community is > firmly behind the current moves and thriving. The stage is set, the > peices are prepared for the big shin-dig on the 6th and I think we, as > the community working with Sun, need to hold up our end of the bargin > and really get the word out. > > Blog early, blog often. > > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Dec 5 08:38:59 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:38:59 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <43946D23.2080505@sun.com> Well, my perspective is: PUBLISH! information is the most powerful community weapon we have to build our reputation. Once we establish a reputation as the ultimate source of extraordinary content that is not only factual and informative, but delights and entertains...then readers will automatically begin to come to our community for "counter perspective". Also, an article series would be wonderful. Maybe we figure out a way to promote articles like we do the presentations? As for bias--don't worry about that. Again, if the information delights and entertains, bias won't be a problem. In fact, the more content we generate, the more the "traditional" marketing outlets can use this information (like PR placing contributed articles...Sun.com/developers linking to our article library...etc.) LKR Tim Foster wrote: >Hey Folks, > >Here comes a resounding "me too" : I completely agree with Ben's >impassioned pleas - though I wonder how to fight the FUD most >effectively ? > >Blogs from non-Sun folks would *certainly* help imho - but being a Sun >employee, if I spend hours responding to a particular item of FUDitude, >isn't that what people are going to expect, and won't they simply ignore >my content when they see the domainname ? > >Would my time be better spent simply continuing to write the sort of >articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the things >I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day basis[1] ? > >How do I best fight FUD, given that I'm going to appear biased >regardless ? [ in fact, does fighting FUD suggest that we're taking >these morons seriously ? I'm not sure : how do traditional marketing >folks deal with this sort of thing - Sara, Laura, any ideas? ] > > cheers, > tim > > >[1] I've more posts in mind about ZFS and backups, and another titled >"ZFS, you had me at hello (with apologies to Jerry Maguire)" talking >about the joys of snapshots. > > >On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 01:45 -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: > > >>Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news of >>the last week has been, frankly, overwhelming. Its clear everywhere you >>look that people are having a very hard time digesting just how much has >>changed. As evangelists we really need to kick the blogging and >>podcasts into high gear to help users and potential customers get a grip >>on this new era. I'm ramping up my blog and dropping some projects off >>for a bit while I tried to help fill in the gaps. >> >>We really need an all out onslaught here. A lot of people aren't even >>reading the news about the changes, just seeing headlines or tidbits of >>news and getting an incomplete picture. FUD is flying in the midst of >>all the goodness. More than any time in Sun's history those of us in >>the community of evangelists and zealots have more than ever to fuel >>interest and possibly conversion. Some people want to change, others >>don't. Thats entirely their choice and we respect that... but there is >>a huge amount of the market (developer, enthusiast, hacker, enterprise, >>integration... you name the market) that are open to a better >>oppertunity and more value and are ready to take a fresh long hard look >>at what Sun and the community are doing. >> >>After years of taking crap ("Sun's dead...", "Slow-aris...", "No driver >>support...", we've heard it all) we've had a good year. A ground >>breaking year and now we've seen the sparks of interest grow into >>explosions of intrest and now Sun's poured napalm on the grill. >> >>If ever in the history of Sun evangelism there was a time to seriously >>turn up the volume, this is it. We need to show that the community is >>firmly behind the current moves and thriving. The stage is set, the >>peices are prepared for the big shin-dig on the 6th and I think we, as >>the community working with Sun, need to hold up our end of the bargin >>and really get the word out. >> >>Blog early, blog often. >> >>benr. >>_______________________________________________ >>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> From blastwave at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 09:16:55 2005 From: blastwave at gmail.com (Dennis Clarke) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:16:55 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <43946D23.2080505@sun.com> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <43946D23.2080505@sun.com> Message-ID: On 12/5/05, Laura Ramsey wrote: > > Well, my perspective is: > > PUBLISH! absolutely ... > information is the most powerful community weapon we have to build our > reputation. > Once we establish a reputation as the ultimate source of extraordinary > content that is not only factual and informative, but delights and > entertains...then readers will automatically begin to come to our > community for "counter perspective". > > Also, an article series would be wonderful. Maybe we figure out a way to > promote articles like we do the presentations? I am doing "my own thing" out here at Blastwave.and one of those things is looking at a small business migration costs that happens to include IBM/Lotus Domino in it. I have been looking at the FUD from Novell and Red Hat and pricing up their offers on the same hardware that I would run Solaris. I am also looking at the need for a Sparc based server for Domino ( because the IBM'ers are afraid of the stable nature of Solaris in x86 I guess ) because there still is no version for Solaris x86. They dropped that years ago. So the costs are piling up as is the lies. Big ones like Red Hat offers a version of RHEL for POWER but not for Sparc because the Sparc platform is closed and proprietary but POWER is not? Please. OpenSolaris on POWER will fix that but the applications ( like Oracle and Domino ) will still be needed. The final migration is to get users away from Domino and towards JES and its brethren but I really don't see 15 years of application infrastructure moving for a small company or Chrysler anytime soon. So .. I am pricing up the costs and the efforts required. Dennis From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon Dec 5 10:26:17 2005 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:26:17 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <43948649.6050001@sun.com> Tim Foster wrote: > Hey Folks, > > Here comes a resounding "me too" : I completely agree with Ben's > impassioned pleas - though I wonder how to fight the FUD most > effectively ? > > Blogs from non-Sun folks would *certainly* help imho - but being a Sun > employee, if I spend hours responding to a particular item of FUDitude, > isn't that what people are going to expect, and won't they simply ignore > my content when they see the domainname ? > > Would my time be better spent simply continuing to write the sort of > articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the things > I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day basis[1] ? > > How do I best fight FUD, given that I'm going to appear biased > regardless ? [ in fact, does fighting FUD suggest that we're taking > these morons seriously ? I'm not sure : how do traditional marketing > folks deal with this sort of thing - Sara, Laura, any ideas? ] Everyone has a point of view, so that's nothing to shy away from. There is a theory (especially in politics) that if you respond you are drawing more attention to the issue and the person pitching it. I go back and forth on it, to be honest, but I'm trying to not respond as much. My personal goal is no response at all, but I'm far from that at this point. :) A good way around this is to simply respond to the issue in a positive way, but not attack the person or publication in the process (because then you have to respond again and around we go). Ultimately, the best defense to FUD is a thriving community producing great code. OpenSolaris is well on its way to this because the volume of general conversation is quite massive at this point. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Dec 5 10:30:05 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:30:05 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <43946D23.2080505@sun.com> Message-ID: <4394872D.9020503@sun.com> Sooo cool. Dennis--this is just the sort of sophisticated market analysis that we can really run with! I'm imagining an independent study....conducted by Blastwave...with coordinating perspectives from users and analysts! The whole package would evolve quickly if the content is *relevant*. ;) LKR Dennis Clarke wrote: >On 12/5/05, Laura Ramsey wrote: > > >>Well, my perspective is: >> >>PUBLISH! >> >> > >absolutely ... > > > >>information is the most powerful community weapon we have to build our >>reputation. >>Once we establish a reputation as the ultimate source of extraordinary >>content that is not only factual and informative, but delights and >>entertains...then readers will automatically begin to come to our >>community for "counter perspective". >> >> > > > >>Also, an article series would be wonderful. Maybe we figure out a way to >>promote articles like we do the presentations? >> >> > >I am doing "my own thing" out here at Blastwave.and one of those >things is looking at a small business migration costs that happens to >include IBM/Lotus Domino in it. I have been looking at the FUD from >Novell and Red Hat and pricing up their offers on the same hardware >that I would run Solaris. I am also looking at the need for a Sparc >based server for Domino ( because the IBM'ers are afraid of the stable >nature of Solaris in x86 I guess ) because there still is no version >for Solaris x86. They dropped that years ago. > >So the costs are piling up as is the lies. Big ones like Red Hat >offers a version of RHEL for POWER but not for Sparc because the Sparc >platform is closed and proprietary but POWER is not? Please. > >OpenSolaris on POWER will fix that but the applications ( like Oracle >and Domino ) will still be needed. > >The final migration is to get users away from Domino and towards JES >and its brethren but I really don't see 15 years of application >infrastructure moving for a small company or Chrysler anytime soon. > >So .. I am pricing up the costs and the efforts required. > >Dennis > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Mon Dec 5 10:06:08 2005 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:06:08 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <43948190.3090603@Sun.COM> Tim Foster wrote: >Hey Folks, > >Here comes a resounding "me too" : I completely agree with Ben's >impassioned pleas - though I wonder how to fight the FUD most >effectively ? > >Blogs from non-Sun folks would *certainly* help imho - but being a Sun >employee, if I spend hours responding to a particular item of FUDitude, >isn't that what people are going to expect, and won't they simply ignore >my content when they see the domainname ? > >Would my time be better spent simply continuing to write the sort of >articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the things >I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day basis[1] ? > >How do I best fight FUD, given that I'm going to appear biased >regardless ? [ in fact, does fighting FUD suggest that we're taking >these morons seriously ? I'm not sure : how do traditional marketing >folks deal with this sort of thing - Sara, Laura, any ideas? ] > > cheers, > tim > > >[1] I've more posts in mind about ZFS and backups, and another titled >"ZFS, you had me at hello (with apologies to Jerry Maguire)" talking >about the joys of snapshots. > > > FWIW, I think the best way to fight FUD is: - Ignore people with little or no credbility -- which is probably 90+% of them in general, and 99.9999% of those on slashdot and such-like. The bonus is that this saves tons of time which can be spent blogging. The kind of stuff Tim is writing is great: > ... "articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the things > I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day basis..." and I'm sure they result in lots of readers (daily _and_ cumulative) via google keyword searches like "ZFS" or "Solaris AND backups". - With regard to mainstream reporters/analysts and others w/ significant credibility: I think it's good to hold them accountable by blogging about their FUD (brief and non-hostile of course). Most (almost all?) of them who write about Solaris appear to be _very_ adept at using internet search and other tools that quickly notify them of Sun blogs with their names in them. Eric From blastwave at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 11:19:05 2005 From: blastwave at gmail.com (Dennis Clarke) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:19:05 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <43948190.3090603@Sun.COM> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <43948190.3090603@Sun.COM> Message-ID: On 12/5/05, Eric Boutilier wrote: > Tim Foster wrote: > > >Hey Folks, > > > > > > > FWIW, I think the best way to fight FUD is: > > - Ignore people with little or no credbility -- which is probably > 90+% of them in general, and 99.9999% of those on slashdot and such-like. yea verily ! My approach is simply to put together a small business migration project plan with costs and then to actually do the migration. Thus far the Red Hat people really have me wondering at their prices. A copy of VMware GSX server may be unavoidable and why it does not run native on Solaris 10 on Opteron is beyond me. But these are the issues I face. The IBM and Lotus Domino implementation with iNotes web mail and groupware application migration is a no brainer on Solaris Sparc servers. In any case .. this is something I am doing and the final report will make for a long long blog. Dennis From michelle.olson at sun.com Mon Dec 5 11:37:20 2005 From: michelle.olson at sun.com (Michelle Olson) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:37:20 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <438C6A0A.8040907@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <21071170.1133811470759.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> So, as an update and to clarify: CDDL will be used for man pages and online help. We need a doc license for the developer and administration guides, we will not create something new, but determine the best suited license for our goals and communicate the usage. We will have this determination by end of week and the hope is it will apply also to technical articles. For the article template question, I'm thrilled to see some interest here, I think it is a huge need for this project and others like it to enable more authors and to distinguish content that is authored for OS.o I also agree that we should not re-invent the wheel, but use OO.o template if it closely meets our needs and iterate on it where it doesn't. I don't personally have access to such a template, but I'm happy to help in any way that I can, particularly WRT the license boiler plate info if that is something we want to include. Thanks, Michelle OpenSolaris Doc Community This message posted from opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon Dec 5 12:03:14 2005 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:03:14 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <43948190.3090603@Sun.COM> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <43948190.3090603@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <43949D02.5040408@sun.com> Also, if there are new OpenSolaris blogs out there, let us know. We'd love to have the feeds on the site: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/blogs/ Jim --- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From chekristo at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 13:59:30 2005 From: chekristo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ch=C3=A9_Kristo?=) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:59:30 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <21071170.1133811470759.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <29628599.1133820000122.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Thanks Michelle, I look forward to seeing what we can come up with here. This message posted from opensolaris.org From sch at eng.sun.com Mon Dec 5 14:46:47 2005 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:46:47 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <22969916.1132902273612.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <4385BEE7.9080109@sun.com> <22969916.1132902273612.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <20051205224647.GE102778@eng.sun.com> * Ch? Kristo [2005-11-24 23:04]: > I have been looking at what OOo have been using, maybe we could just nab their template and put our logo on it ;) Could you send a link to the OOo template, please? - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From Ulf at Andreasson.co.uk Mon Dec 5 15:18:24 2005 From: Ulf at Andreasson.co.uk (Ulf Andreasson) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:18:24 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <4394CAC0.3080608@Andreasson.co.uk> tim, just post them ... and belive me, there are people who will read it wether you work for Sun or not :) Another thing ... why arent' more people(?) posting cool stuff to places like comp.unix.solaris (and yes slashdot/osnews/etc) .. or does it have to be a question/answer on those aliases .... ;) and BTW ... nothing stops you from creating a "non Sun" blog/email account, right ..... you work for Sun but you are not owned by them (I hope ;) Some might be put off when/if they "find out" (if they look deep enough) but still .... lastly IMHO FUD should be fought with just pure and clear facts ...... that is always the winner in the long run keep smiling reg//ulf Tim Foster wrote: > Hey Folks, > > Here comes a resounding "me too" : I completely agree with Ben's > impassioned pleas - though I wonder how to fight the FUD most > effectively ? > > Blogs from non-Sun folks would *certainly* help imho - but being a > Sun employee, if I spend hours responding to a particular item of > FUDitude, isn't that what people are going to expect, and won't they > simply ignore my content when they see the domainname ? > > Would my time be better spent simply continuing to write the sort of > articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the > things I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day > basis[1] ? > > How do I best fight FUD, given that I'm going to appear biased > regardless ? [ in fact, does fighting FUD suggest that we're taking > these morons seriously ? I'm not sure : how do traditional marketing > folks deal with this sort of thing - Sara, Laura, any ideas? ] > > cheers, tim > > > [1] I've more posts in mind about ZFS and backups, and another titled > "ZFS, you had me at hello (with apologies to Jerry Maguire)" talking > about the joys of snapshots. > > > On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 01:45 -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news >> of the last week has been, frankly, overwhelming. Its clear >> everywhere you look that people are having a very hard time >> digesting just how much has changed. As evangelists we really need >> to kick the blogging and podcasts into high gear to help users and >> potential customers get a grip on this new era. I'm ramping up my >> blog and dropping some projects off for a bit while I tried to >> help fill in the gaps. >> >> We really need an all out onslaught here. A lot of people aren't >> even reading the news about the changes, just seeing headlines or >> tidbits of news and getting an incomplete picture. FUD is flying >> in the midst of all the goodness. More than any time in Sun's >> history those of us in the community of evangelists and zealots >> have more than ever to fuel interest and possibly conversion. Some >> people want to change, others don't. Thats entirely their choice >> and we respect that... but there is a huge amount of the market >> (developer, enthusiast, hacker, enterprise, integration... you name >> the market) that are open to a better oppertunity and more value >> and are ready to take a fresh long hard look at what Sun and the >> community are doing. >> >> After years of taking crap ("Sun's dead...", "Slow-aris...", "No >> driver support...", we've heard it all) we've had a good year. A >> ground breaking year and now we've seen the sparks of interest grow >> into explosions of intrest and now Sun's poured napalm on the >> grill. >> >> If ever in the history of Sun evangelism there was a time to >> seriously turn up the volume, this is it. We need to show that the >> community is firmly behind the current moves and thriving. The >> stage is set, the peices are prepared for the big shin-dig on the >> 6th and I think we, as the community working with Sun, need to hold >> up our end of the bargin and really get the word out. >> >> Blog early, blog often. >> >> benr. _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Dec 5 15:21:29 2005 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:21:29 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <4394CAC0.3080608@Andreasson.co.uk> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <4394CAC0.3080608@Andreasson.co.uk> Message-ID: <4394CB79.5020005@sun.com> FUD Fighters rule! Ulf Andreasson wrote: > tim, > > just post them ... and belive me, there are people who will read it > wether you work for Sun or not :) > > Another thing ... why arent' more people(?) posting cool stuff to places > like comp.unix.solaris (and yes slashdot/osnews/etc) .. or does it have > to be a question/answer on those aliases .... ;) > > and BTW ... nothing stops you from creating a "non Sun" blog/email > account, right ..... you work for Sun but you are not owned by them > (I hope ;) Some might be put off when/if they "find out" (if they look > deep > enough) but still .... > > lastly IMHO FUD should be fought with just pure and clear facts ...... > that is always the winner in the long run > > keep smiling > reg//ulf > > Tim Foster wrote: > >> Hey Folks, >> >> Here comes a resounding "me too" : I completely agree with Ben's >> impassioned pleas - though I wonder how to fight the FUD most >> effectively ? >> >> Blogs from non-Sun folks would *certainly* help imho - but being a >> Sun employee, if I spend hours responding to a particular item of >> FUDitude, isn't that what people are going to expect, and won't they >> simply ignore my content when they see the domainname ? >> >> Would my time be better spent simply continuing to write the sort of >> articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the >> things I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day >> basis[1] ? >> >> How do I best fight FUD, given that I'm going to appear biased >> regardless ? [ in fact, does fighting FUD suggest that we're taking >> these morons seriously ? I'm not sure : how do traditional marketing >> folks deal with this sort of thing - Sara, Laura, any ideas? ] >> >> cheers, tim >> >> >> [1] I've more posts in mind about ZFS and backups, and another titled >> "ZFS, you had me at hello (with apologies to Jerry Maguire)" talking >> about the joys of snapshots. >> >> >> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 01:45 -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: >> >>> Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news >>> of the last week has been, frankly, overwhelming. Its clear >>> everywhere you look that people are having a very hard time >>> digesting just how much has changed. As evangelists we really need >>> to kick the blogging and podcasts into high gear to help users and >>> potential customers get a grip on this new era. I'm ramping up my >>> blog and dropping some projects off for a bit while I tried to help >>> fill in the gaps. >>> >>> We really need an all out onslaught here. A lot of people aren't >>> even reading the news about the changes, just seeing headlines or >>> tidbits of news and getting an incomplete picture. FUD is flying in >>> the midst of all the goodness. More than any time in Sun's history >>> those of us in the community of evangelists and zealots have more >>> than ever to fuel interest and possibly conversion. Some >>> people want to change, others don't. Thats entirely their choice >>> and we respect that... but there is a huge amount of the market >>> (developer, enthusiast, hacker, enterprise, integration... you name >>> the market) that are open to a better oppertunity and more value >>> and are ready to take a fresh long hard look at what Sun and the >>> community are doing. >>> >>> After years of taking crap ("Sun's dead...", "Slow-aris...", "No >>> driver support...", we've heard it all) we've had a good year. A >>> ground breaking year and now we've seen the sparks of interest grow >>> into explosions of intrest and now Sun's poured napalm on the grill. >>> >>> If ever in the history of Sun evangelism there was a time to >>> seriously turn up the volume, this is it. We need to show that the >>> community is firmly behind the current moves and thriving. The >>> stage is set, the peices are prepared for the big shin-dig on the >>> 6th and I think we, as the community working with Sun, need to hold >>> up our end of the bargin and really get the word out. >>> >>> Blog early, blog often. >>> >>> benr. _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Dec 5 17:49:29 2005 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:49:29 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <4394CB79.5020005@sun.com> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <4394CAC0.3080608@Andreasson.co.uk> <4394CB79.5020005@sun.com> Message-ID: <4394EE29.4050601@cuddletech.com> Only when their installing Solaris10 on microwaves. :) benr. Sara Dornsife wrote: > FUD Fighters rule! > > > Ulf Andreasson wrote: > >> tim, >> >> just post them ... and belive me, there are people who will read it >> wether you work for Sun or not :) >> >> Another thing ... why arent' more people(?) posting cool stuff to places >> like comp.unix.solaris (and yes slashdot/osnews/etc) .. or does it have >> to be a question/answer on those aliases .... ;) >> >> and BTW ... nothing stops you from creating a "non Sun" blog/email >> account, right ..... you work for Sun but you are not owned by them >> (I hope ;) Some might be put off when/if they "find out" (if they >> look deep >> enough) but still .... >> >> lastly IMHO FUD should be fought with just pure and clear facts ...... >> that is always the winner in the long run >> >> keep smiling >> reg//ulf >> >> Tim Foster wrote: >> >>> Hey Folks, >>> >>> Here comes a resounding "me too" : I completely agree with Ben's >>> impassioned pleas - though I wonder how to fight the FUD most >>> effectively ? >>> >>> Blogs from non-Sun folks would *certainly* help imho - but being a >>> Sun employee, if I spend hours responding to a particular item of >>> FUDitude, isn't that what people are going to expect, and won't they >>> simply ignore my content when they see the domainname ? >>> >>> Would my time be better spent simply continuing to write the sort of >>> articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the >>> things I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day >>> basis[1] ? >>> >>> How do I best fight FUD, given that I'm going to appear biased >>> regardless ? [ in fact, does fighting FUD suggest that we're taking >>> these morons seriously ? I'm not sure : how do traditional marketing >>> folks deal with this sort of thing - Sara, Laura, any ideas? ] >>> >>> cheers, tim >>> >>> >>> [1] I've more posts in mind about ZFS and backups, and another titled >>> "ZFS, you had me at hello (with apologies to Jerry Maguire)" talking >>> about the joys of snapshots. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 01:45 -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: >>> >>>> Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news >>>> of the last week has been, frankly, overwhelming. Its clear >>>> everywhere you look that people are having a very hard time >>>> digesting just how much has changed. As evangelists we really need >>>> to kick the blogging and podcasts into high gear to help users and >>>> potential customers get a grip on this new era. I'm ramping up my >>>> blog and dropping some projects off for a bit while I tried to >>>> help fill in the gaps. >>>> >>>> We really need an all out onslaught here. A lot of people aren't >>>> even reading the news about the changes, just seeing headlines or >>>> tidbits of news and getting an incomplete picture. FUD is flying >>>> in the midst of all the goodness. More than any time in Sun's >>>> history those of us in the community of evangelists and zealots >>>> have more than ever to fuel interest and possibly conversion. Some >>>> people want to change, others don't. Thats entirely their choice >>>> and we respect that... but there is a huge amount of the market >>>> (developer, enthusiast, hacker, enterprise, integration... you name >>>> the market) that are open to a better oppertunity and more value >>>> and are ready to take a fresh long hard look at what Sun and the >>>> community are doing. >>>> >>>> After years of taking crap ("Sun's dead...", "Slow-aris...", "No >>>> driver support...", we've heard it all) we've had a good year. A >>>> ground breaking year and now we've seen the sparks of interest grow >>>> into explosions of intrest and now Sun's poured napalm on the grill. >>>> >>>> If ever in the history of Sun evangelism there was a time to >>>> seriously turn up the volume, this is it. We need to show that the >>>> community is firmly behind the current moves and thriving. The >>>> stage is set, the peices are prepared for the big shin-dig on the >>>> 6th and I think we, as the community working with Sun, need to hold >>>> up our end of the bargin and really get the word out. >>>> >>>> Blog early, blog often. >>>> >>>> benr. _______________________________________________ >>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From benr at cuddletech.com Tue Dec 6 00:37:30 2005 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:37:30 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <4394CAC0.3080608@Andreasson.co.uk> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <4394CAC0.3080608@Andreasson.co.uk> Message-ID: <43954DCA.3090504@cuddletech.com> Ulf Andreasson wrote: > tim, > > just post them ... and belive me, there are people who will read it > wether you work for Sun or not :) > > Another thing ... why arent' more people(?) posting cool stuff to places > like comp.unix.solaris (and yes slashdot/osnews/etc) .. or does it have > to be a question/answer on those aliases .... ;) There is an established core group on comp.unix.solaris. To some degree there is little point of posting anything kool there because your preaching to the choir perhaps more than other places. Furthermore, there are plenty of guys on USENET ready to head off FUD when it pops up. Additionally, usenet feeds are harder to come by these days and I'm not personally a fan of Google's USENET service. There are, in my mind, 3 sort of "old guard" Solaris resources out there that have their place but aren't the first line for evangelism: comp.unix.solaris (USENET), SunNetManagers (Mailing list), and Solaris-X86 (Yahoo Group). These are excellent resources for supporting other Solaris users but not a place to appeal to new users. Another reason that you won't find kool new stuff posted in those places is due to the level of certain individuals there. Blogs are out there for everyone reguardless of skill and so there isn't much fear in posting something you think is nifty. On the other hand, posting to comp.unix.solaris about how much you like socket programming on Solaris probly isn't going to get much more than a "wow, wait till you see hello.c" > and BTW ... nothing stops you from creating a "non Sun" blog/email > account, right ..... you work for Sun but you are not owned by them > (I hope ;) Some might be put off when/if they "find out" (if they look > deep > enough) but still .... > > lastly IMHO FUD should be fought with just pure and clear facts ...... > that is always the winner in the long run Facts are best followed up by a lot of screaming passion mixed in with plenty of bad words. :) (j/k) benr. > keep smiling > reg//ulf > > Tim Foster wrote: > >> Hey Folks, >> >> Here comes a resounding "me too" : I completely agree with Ben's >> impassioned pleas - though I wonder how to fight the FUD most >> effectively ? >> >> Blogs from non-Sun folks would *certainly* help imho - but being a >> Sun employee, if I spend hours responding to a particular item of >> FUDitude, isn't that what people are going to expect, and won't they >> simply ignore my content when they see the domainname ? >> >> Would my time be better spent simply continuing to write the sort of >> articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the >> things I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day >> basis[1] ? >> >> How do I best fight FUD, given that I'm going to appear biased >> regardless ? [ in fact, does fighting FUD suggest that we're taking >> these morons seriously ? I'm not sure : how do traditional marketing >> folks deal with this sort of thing - Sara, Laura, any ideas? ] >> >> cheers, tim >> >> >> [1] I've more posts in mind about ZFS and backups, and another titled >> "ZFS, you had me at hello (with apologies to Jerry Maguire)" talking >> about the joys of snapshots. >> >> >> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 01:45 -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: >> >>> Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news >>> of the last week has been, frankly, overwhelming. Its clear >>> everywhere you look that people are having a very hard time >>> digesting just how much has changed. As evangelists we really need >>> to kick the blogging and podcasts into high gear to help users and >>> potential customers get a grip on this new era. I'm ramping up my >>> blog and dropping some projects off for a bit while I tried to help >>> fill in the gaps. >>> >>> We really need an all out onslaught here. A lot of people aren't >>> even reading the news about the changes, just seeing headlines or >>> tidbits of news and getting an incomplete picture. FUD is flying in >>> the midst of all the goodness. More than any time in Sun's history >>> those of us in the community of evangelists and zealots have more >>> than ever to fuel interest and possibly conversion. Some >>> people want to change, others don't. Thats entirely their choice >>> and we respect that... but there is a huge amount of the market >>> (developer, enthusiast, hacker, enterprise, integration... you name >>> the market) that are open to a better oppertunity and more value >>> and are ready to take a fresh long hard look at what Sun and the >>> community are doing. >>> >>> After years of taking crap ("Sun's dead...", "Slow-aris...", "No >>> driver support...", we've heard it all) we've had a good year. A >>> ground breaking year and now we've seen the sparks of interest grow >>> into explosions of intrest and now Sun's poured napalm on the grill. >>> >>> If ever in the history of Sun evangelism there was a time to >>> seriously turn up the volume, this is it. We need to show that the >>> community is firmly behind the current moves and thriving. The >>> stage is set, the peices are prepared for the big shin-dig on the >>> 6th and I think we, as the community working with Sun, need to hold >>> up our end of the bargin and really get the word out. >>> >>> Blog early, blog often. >>> >>> benr. _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> From blastwave at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 06:15:04 2005 From: blastwave at gmail.com (Dennis Clarke) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:15:04 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <43954DCA.3090504@cuddletech.com> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <4394CAC0.3080608@Andreasson.co.uk> <43954DCA.3090504@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: On 12/6/05, Ben Rockwood wrote: > Ulf Andreasson wrote: > I don't like thinking of my blog as market space .. but maybe it is .. tough to say. Perhaps a new "thing" is required. Something other than the "blog" which has become abused, manipulated and generally turned into some new market-speak buzz word. Dennis From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Dec 6 07:28:46 2005 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:28:46 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <4394EE29.4050601@cuddletech.com> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <4394CAC0.3080608@Andreasson.co.uk> <4394CB79.5020005@sun.com> <4394EE29.4050601@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <1133882926.24797.63.camel@haiiro> On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 17:49 -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: > Only when their installing Solaris10 on microwaves. :) I like it! Funny though, we had an interesting conversation today over lunch about the new Niagara chips, and how details of their capabilities first became public from people reading the OpenSolaris code where they were mentioned. I vote the developers find some obscure microcontroller from a washing machine or tumble dryer, and start making references to it at random places in the OpenSolaris source (any and all puns about spin-locks in usr/src/uts will be graciously accepted ;-) Anyway - back on topic, many thanks for the advice all, it's much appreciated! cheers, tim > Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > FUD Fighters rule! > > > > > > Ulf Andreasson wrote: > > > >> tim, > >> > >> just post them ... and belive me, there are people who will read it > >> wether you work for Sun or not :) > >> > >> Another thing ... why arent' more people(?) posting cool stuff to places > >> like comp.unix.solaris (and yes slashdot/osnews/etc) .. or does it have > >> to be a question/answer on those aliases .... ;) > >> > >> and BTW ... nothing stops you from creating a "non Sun" blog/email > >> account, right ..... you work for Sun but you are not owned by them > >> (I hope ;) Some might be put off when/if they "find out" (if they > >> look deep > >> enough) but still .... > >> > >> lastly IMHO FUD should be fought with just pure and clear facts ...... > >> that is always the winner in the long run > >> > >> keep smiling > >> reg//ulf > >> > >> Tim Foster wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Folks, > >>> > >>> Here comes a resounding "me too" : I completely agree with Ben's > >>> impassioned pleas - though I wonder how to fight the FUD most > >>> effectively ? > >>> > >>> Blogs from non-Sun folks would *certainly* help imho - but being a > >>> Sun employee, if I spend hours responding to a particular item of > >>> FUDitude, isn't that what people are going to expect, and won't they > >>> simply ignore my content when they see the domainname ? > >>> > >>> Would my time be better spent simply continuing to write the sort of > >>> articles I've been doing so far - that is, simple reports of the > >>> things I see in OpenSolaris, and how I use them on a day to day > >>> basis[1] ? > >>> > >>> How do I best fight FUD, given that I'm going to appear biased > >>> regardless ? [ in fact, does fighting FUD suggest that we're taking > >>> these morons seriously ? I'm not sure : how do traditional marketing > >>> folks deal with this sort of thing - Sara, Laura, any ideas? ] > >>> > >>> cheers, tim > >>> > >>> > >>> [1] I've more posts in mind about ZFS and backups, and another titled > >>> "ZFS, you had me at hello (with apologies to Jerry Maguire)" talking > >>> about the joys of snapshots. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 01:45 -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: > >>> > >>>> Ladies and Gentlemen, we need some help... a lot of help. The news > >>>> of the last week has been, frankly, overwhelming. Its clear > >>>> everywhere you look that people are having a very hard time > >>>> digesting just how much has changed. As evangelists we really need > >>>> to kick the blogging and podcasts into high gear to help users and > >>>> potential customers get a grip on this new era. I'm ramping up my > >>>> blog and dropping some projects off for a bit while I tried to > >>>> help fill in the gaps. > >>>> > >>>> We really need an all out onslaught here. A lot of people aren't > >>>> even reading the news about the changes, just seeing headlines or > >>>> tidbits of news and getting an incomplete picture. FUD is flying > >>>> in the midst of all the goodness. More than any time in Sun's > >>>> history those of us in the community of evangelists and zealots > >>>> have more than ever to fuel interest and possibly conversion. Some > >>>> people want to change, others don't. Thats entirely their choice > >>>> and we respect that... but there is a huge amount of the market > >>>> (developer, enthusiast, hacker, enterprise, integration... you name > >>>> the market) that are open to a better oppertunity and more value > >>>> and are ready to take a fresh long hard look at what Sun and the > >>>> community are doing. > >>>> > >>>> After years of taking crap ("Sun's dead...", "Slow-aris...", "No > >>>> driver support...", we've heard it all) we've had a good year. A > >>>> ground breaking year and now we've seen the sparks of interest grow > >>>> into explosions of intrest and now Sun's poured napalm on the grill. > >>>> > >>>> If ever in the history of Sun evangelism there was a time to > >>>> seriously turn up the volume, this is it. We need to show that the > >>>> community is firmly behind the current moves and thriving. The > >>>> stage is set, the peices are prepared for the big shin-dig on the > >>>> 6th and I think we, as the community working with Sun, need to hold > >>>> up our end of the bargin and really get the word out. > >>>> > >>>> Blog early, blog often. > >>>> > >>>> benr. _______________________________________________ > >>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From blastwave at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 07:50:22 2005 From: blastwave at gmail.com (Dennis Clarke) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:50:22 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Calling all bloggers! In-Reply-To: <1133882926.24797.63.camel@haiiro> References: <439017C6.5070604@cuddletech.com> <1133795480.29632.174.camel@haiiro> <4394CAC0.3080608@Andreasson.co.uk> <4394CB79.5020005@sun.com> <4394EE29.4050601@cuddletech.com> <1133882926.24797.63.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: On 12/6/05, Tim Foster wrote: > On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 17:49 -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: > > Only when their installing Solaris10 on microwaves. :) > > I like it! Funny though, we had an interesting conversation today over > lunch about the new Niagara chips, and how details of their capabilities > first became public from people reading the OpenSolaris code where they > were mentioned. > > I vote the developers find some obscure microcontroller from a washing > machine or tumble dryer, and start making references to it at random > places in the OpenSolaris source (any and all puns about spin-locks in > usr/src/uts will be graciously accepted ;-) or code that references the XBox 360 ? that would be a riot. Dennis From chekristo at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 16:20:35 2005 From: chekristo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ch=C3=A9_Kristo?=) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:20:35 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <20051205224647.GE102778@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <30939937.1134001265162.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> No probs, This is an old sxw: http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/OOo1.x.x/user_guide.sxw cheers This message posted from opensolaris.org From chekristo at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 16:33:19 2005 From: chekristo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ch=C3=A9_Kristo?=) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:33:19 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <438B6306.8080403@sun.com> Message-ID: <1643935.1134002029222.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Agreed, it would probably be a better idea to use the PDL, that way we wont have to beg the copyright holder of the OO templates to allow us to license under CDDL. Probably just a good idea to use a documentation license for documentation too. This message posted from opensolaris.org From chekristo at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 17:55:37 2005 From: chekristo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ch=C3=A9_Kristo?=) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:55:37 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <21071170.1133811470759.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <728606.1134352567845.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> so about those graphics, can i get my hands on some better quality graphics for the docs? This message posted from opensolaris.org From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Dec 12 12:24:22 2005 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:24:22 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides Message-ID: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> Is there a stock OpenSolaris presentation laying around? I've been asked to do a 20 minute presentation on OpenSolaris this Thursday at BayLISA. If a set of slides and outline already exist perhaps I'll use that rather than work it all up again myself. If they don't, whatever I come up with will be made publically avalible. Thanks. benr. From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Dec 12 12:55:08 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:55:08 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <439DE3AC.4080300@sun.com> Hi-- Got a bounce on the first attempt to reply and send presentations to you... so I'll send them under sep cover! Cheers, LKR Ben Rockwood wrote: > Is there a stock OpenSolaris presentation laying around? I've been > asked to do a 20 minute presentation on OpenSolaris this Thursday at > BayLISA. If a set of slides and outline already exist perhaps I'll > use that rather than work it all up again myself. > > If they don't, whatever I come up with will be made publically avalible. > > Thanks. > > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Dec 12 12:49:57 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:49:57 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <439DE275.7030501@sun.com> Hi Ben: I personally LOVE Jim G's overview presentation on OpenSolaris. there are also a few presentations in the preso library on the user group alias. From the Sun Microsystems orbit-- I've attached 2 presentations: 1by Scott Dickman--he gave this one at the ATL user group launch. And the other is a generic "field" presentation about OpenSolaris. WARNING! These are heavily branded with the Sun Microsystems template and P.O.V. Feel free to us any parts --and put into any template you'd like...as long as you do your best to avoid Microsoft office products to produce and publish! ;) LKR Ben Rockwood wrote: > Is there a stock OpenSolaris presentation laying around? I've been > asked to do a 20 minute presentation on OpenSolaris this Thursday at > BayLISA. If a set of slides and outline already exist perhaps I'll > use that rather than work it all up again myself. > > If they don't, whatever I come up with will be made publically avalible. > > Thanks. > > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(hmm, I wonder should I be asking authors for their sources, rather than just pdf renditions ?)) cheers, tim On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 15:55 -0500, Laura Ramsey wrote: > Hi-- > Got a bounce on the first attempt to reply and send presentations to you... > so I'll send them under sep cover! > Cheers, > LKR > > > Ben Rockwood wrote: > > > Is there a stock OpenSolaris presentation laying around? I've been > > asked to do a 20 minute presentation on OpenSolaris this Thursday at > > BayLISA. If a set of slides and outline already exist perhaps I'll > > use that rather than work it all up again myself. > > > > If they don't, whatever I come up with will be made publically avalible. > > > > Thanks. > > > > benr. > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Dec 12 16:29:13 2005 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:29:13 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris xmas tree tee - available for sale Message-ID: <439E15D9.4080004@sun.com> You can get your own OpenSolaris xmas tree long or short sleeved tshirts at store.opensolarisswag.com. Short sleeved available at $12.95 Long sleeved available at $1i9.95 Get 'em while they last..... Sara From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Dec 12 16:59:56 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:59:56 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] What do we know about Freedomtoaster.org? Message-ID: <439E1D0C.8050900@sun.com> seems like a pretty cool thing--good location for hanging some opensolaris builds... Comments? LKR From stevel at sun.com Mon Dec 12 21:27:24 2005 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:27:24 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> hey ben, jim grisanzio has some good ones. and i have one that i'm giving at TOSTA tomorrow. if you only have 20 minutes, you could use the one i gave at UCSD a couple of weeks ago with eric saxe. it's linked off eric's blog: http://blogs.sun.com/esaxe cheers, steve On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 12:24:22PM -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: > Is there a stock OpenSolaris presentation laying around? I've been > asked to do a 20 minute presentation on OpenSolaris this Thursday at > BayLISA. If a set of slides and outline already exist perhaps I'll use > that rather than work it all up again myself. > > If they don't, whatever I come up with will be made publically avalible. > > Thanks. > > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From claire.giordano at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 21:40:00 2005 From: claire.giordano at gmail.com (Claire Giordano) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:40:00 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] What do we know about Freedomtoaster.org? In-Reply-To: <439E1D0C.8050900@sun.com> References: <439E1D0C.8050900@sun.com> Message-ID: It's funded by Mark Shuttleworth's foundation - Danese should know more... Danese? ClaireG On 12/12/05, Laura Ramsey wrote: > > > seems like a pretty cool thing--good location for hanging some > opensolaris builds... > > Comments? > > LKR > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Dec 12 23:13:21 2005 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:13:21 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> Thanks for all the feedback guys. Especially to Tim, I didn't know so many presentations were cataloged, so the link is very appreciated. So far I haven't found any presentations that feel right. The have too much of this or too little of that, and I don't think encompass the project in the scope that I'm looking to achieve. However, several of the presentations avalible are very close, so I'll likely pick and pull good bits from previous presentations and then fill in all the gaps. I liked Jim's presentations but they were too high level for my audience, but I found both Ulf Andreasson's and Jerry Jelinek's just about right. I'll make my slides avalible to be added to the pot when I've completed them. On a side note, is there any chance someone in the Bay Area has some extra swag on hand that they could donate to the talk? Three of something (S10 DVD's or tshirts) would be helpful. If I can't find anything I'll probly just burn some CD's. Thanks for all the responces! benr. Stephen Lau wrote: >hey ben, > jim grisanzio has some good ones. and i have one that i'm >giving at TOSTA tomorrow. if you only have 20 minutes, you could use >the one i gave at UCSD a couple of weeks ago with eric saxe. it's >linked off eric's blog: http://blogs.sun.com/esaxe > >cheers, >steve > >On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 12:24:22PM -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: > > >>Is there a stock OpenSolaris presentation laying around? I've been >>asked to do a 20 minute presentation on OpenSolaris this Thursday at >>BayLISA. If a set of slides and outline already exist perhaps I'll use >>that rather than work it all up again myself. >> >>If they don't, whatever I come up with will be made publically avalible. >> >>Thanks. >> >>benr. >>_______________________________________________ >>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> > > > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Dec 13 00:16:49 2005 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:16:49 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <439E8371.7060901@sun.com> Ben Rockwood wrote: > Thanks for all the feedback guys. Especially to Tim, I didn't know so > many presentations were cataloged, so the link is very appreciated. > > So far I haven't found any presentations that feel right. The have too > much of this or too little of that, and I don't think encompass the > project in the scope that I'm looking to achieve. Would it be of value for us all to collaborate on some OpenSolaris Community Presentations that can be shared and customized? Or a pool of docs that we can all draw from when we are out talking? What would we need? I like how we are collecting all the presos on the user group site (thanks to Tim), but maybe there's room for a fresh, all community-built preso to go along with the individual decks. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From benr at cuddletech.com Tue Dec 13 01:01:07 2005 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:01:07 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439E8371.7060901@sun.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> <439E8371.7060901@sun.com> Message-ID: <439E8DD3.2020203@cuddletech.com> Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> Thanks for all the feedback guys. Especially to Tim, I didn't know >> so many presentations were cataloged, so the link is very appreciated. >> >> So far I haven't found any presentations that feel right. The have >> too much of this or too little of that, and I don't think encompass >> the project in the scope that I'm looking to achieve. > > > Would it be of value for us all to collaborate on some OpenSolaris > Community Presentations that can be shared and customized? Or a pool > of docs that we can all draw from when we are out talking? What would > we need? I like how we are collecting all the presos on the user group > site (thanks to Tim), but maybe there's room for a fresh, all > community-built preso to go along with the individual decks. I think that the preso page that Tim put together pretty well covers the bases, at least when doing a presentation you have the option of using existing slide sets or drawing from them. What would be useful, if it isn't already posted some place that I'm not seeing, is a set of OpenOffice templates that anyone can use to start with. Also, organizing some of the useful information on the project that would be used in a preso into a single page would be nice as well so that timely stats can be used, for instance. Right now I'm dancing around email archives, discussion forums, and pages trying to pull information together. benr. From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Tue Dec 13 03:32:01 2005 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:32:01 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] What do we know about Freedomtoaster.org? In-Reply-To: <439E1D0C.8050900@sun.com> References: <439E1D0C.8050900@sun.com> Message-ID: <439EB131.2060305@sun.com> It looks cool - and I can't find anything else similar...there was a discussion about this on Slashdot. Patrick Laura Ramsey wrote: > > seems like a pretty cool thing--good location for hanging some > opensolaris builds... > > Comments? > > LKR > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue Dec 13 05:04:40 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:04:40 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <439EC6E8.5030604@sun.com> You didn't know about the presentation library? It's right there on the marketing and user group pages! So, this is a bug. I'll blog the presentation library to the discuss alias this am. LKR Ben Rockwood wrote: > Thanks for all the feedback guys. Especially to Tim, I didn't know so > many presentations were cataloged, so the link is very appreciated. > > So far I haven't found any presentations that feel right. The have > too much of this or too little of that, and I don't think encompass > the project in the scope that I'm looking to achieve. However, > several of the presentations avalible are very close, so I'll likely > pick and pull good bits from previous presentations and then fill in > all the gaps. I liked Jim's presentations but they were too high > level for my audience, but I found both Ulf Andreasson's and Jerry > Jelinek's just about right. > I'll make my slides avalible to be added to the pot when I've > completed them. > > On a side note, is there any chance someone in the Bay Area has some > extra swag on hand that they could donate to the talk? Three of > something (S10 DVD's or tshirts) would be helpful. If I can't find > anything I'll probly just burn some CD's. > > Thanks for all the responces! > > benr. > > > Stephen Lau wrote: > >> hey ben, >> jim grisanzio has some good ones. and i have one that i'm >> giving at TOSTA tomorrow. if you only have 20 minutes, you could use >> the one i gave at UCSD a couple of weeks ago with eric saxe. it's >> linked off eric's blog: http://blogs.sun.com/esaxe >> >> cheers, >> steve >> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 12:24:22PM -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: >> >> >>> Is there a stock OpenSolaris presentation laying around? I've been >>> asked to do a 20 minute presentation on OpenSolaris this Thursday at >>> BayLISA. If a set of slides and outline already exist perhaps I'll >>> use that rather than work it all up again myself. >>> >>> If they don't, whatever I come up with will be made publically >>> avalible. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> benr. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue Dec 13 05:06:11 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:06:11 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439E8371.7060901@sun.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> <439E8371.7060901@sun.com> Message-ID: <439EC743.7080305@sun.com> Great idea, however I think we're finding that everyone has their own "approach" because there are at least 4 presentations in the library that already address the scope of the project... LKR Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> Thanks for all the feedback guys. Especially to Tim, I didn't know >> so many presentations were cataloged, so the link is very appreciated. >> >> So far I haven't found any presentations that feel right. The have >> too much of this or too little of that, and I don't think encompass >> the project in the scope that I'm looking to achieve. > > > Would it be of value for us all to collaborate on some OpenSolaris > Community Presentations that can be shared and customized? Or a pool > of docs that we can all draw from when we are out talking? What would > we need? I like how we are collecting all the presos on the user group > site (thanks to Tim), but maybe there's room for a fresh, all > community-built preso to go along with the individual decks. > > Jim From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue Dec 13 05:07:59 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:07:59 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439E8DD3.2020203@cuddletech.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> <439E8371.7060901@sun.com> <439E8DD3.2020203@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <439EC7AF.5010100@sun.com> Benj-- timely stats are also located on the marketing page--in the left had nav bar. They are updated every 2 weeks. Another thing maybe we need to blog to the discuss alias to get the word out. This stuff is there! LKR Ben Rockwood wrote: > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> Ben Rockwood wrote: >> >>> Thanks for all the feedback guys. Especially to Tim, I didn't know >>> so many presentations were cataloged, so the link is very appreciated. >>> >>> So far I haven't found any presentations that feel right. The have >>> too much of this or too little of that, and I don't think encompass >>> the project in the scope that I'm looking to achieve. >> >> >> >> Would it be of value for us all to collaborate on some OpenSolaris >> Community Presentations that can be shared and customized? Or a pool >> of docs that we can all draw from when we are out talking? What would >> we need? I like how we are collecting all the presos on the user >> group site (thanks to Tim), but maybe there's room for a fresh, all >> community-built preso to go along with the individual decks. > > > I think that the preso page that Tim put together pretty well covers > the bases, at least when doing a presentation you have the option of > using existing slide sets or drawing from them. > > What would be useful, if it isn't already posted some place that I'm > not seeing, is a set of OpenOffice templates that anyone can use to > start with. Also, organizing some of the useful information on the > project that would be used in a preso into a single page would be nice > as well so that timely stats can be used, for instance. Right now I'm > dancing around email archives, discussion forums, and pages trying to > pull information together. > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Dec 13 10:41:44 2005 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:41:44 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439E8DD3.2020203@cuddletech.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> <439E8371.7060901@sun.com> <439E8DD3.2020203@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <439F15E8.5000605@sun.com> Ben Rockwood wrote: > What would be useful, if it isn't already posted some place that I'm not > seeing, is a set of OpenOffice templates that anyone can use to start > with. Do you like the Chandan look/feel of my slides to use as a template? I can post that for people to use. It's the closest thing we have to the look/feel of the site itself. I only use it because I like Chandan's stuff and I don't like Sun's. Otherwise, maybe we create a new template from scratch that comes from the community, not Sun. Everything else is Sun-branded slides, though. > Also, organizing some of the useful information on the project > that would be used in a preso into a single page would be nice as well > so that timely stats can be used, for instance. Right now I'm dancing > around email archives, discussion forums, and pages trying to pull > information together. Good idea. Maybe a new page in the marketing community drawing from multiple sources? I think Patrick has a really nice start with his metrics page: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/ Maybe we expand that? What additional things should we track (question for everyone)? I think it's a great thing to have for both community marketing and user group activities. Also, we have the request-sponsor bug data here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/ Jim From Ulf at Andreasson.co.uk Tue Dec 13 14:41:31 2005 From: Ulf at Andreasson.co.uk (Ulf Andreasson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:41:31 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <439F4E1B.8090702@Andreasson.co.uk> wrt the link ..... I agree but I also think it should be a bit easier to find the link !! is it to much to have a link from the frontpage (under content) ?? reg//ulf ps do you want the soffice file ;) or am I to late ? Ben Rockwood wrote: > Thanks for all the feedback guys. Especially to Tim, I didn't know > so many presentations were cataloged, so the link is very > appreciated. > > So far I haven't found any presentations that feel right. The have > too much of this or too little of that, and I don't think encompass > the project in the scope that I'm looking to achieve. However, > several of the presentations avalible are very close, so I'll likely > pick and pull good bits from previous presentations and then fill in > all the gaps. I liked Jim's presentations but they were too high > level for my audience, but I found both Ulf Andreasson's and Jerry > Jelinek's just about right. I'll make my slides avalible to be added > to the pot when I've completed them. > > On a side note, is there any chance someone in the Bay Area has some > extra swag on hand that they could donate to the talk? Three of > something (S10 DVD's or tshirts) would be helpful. If I can't find > anything I'll probly just burn some CD's. > > Thanks for all the responces! > > benr. > > > Stephen Lau wrote: > >> hey ben, jim grisanzio has some good ones. and i have one that i'm >> giving at TOSTA tomorrow. if you only have 20 minutes, you could >> use the one i gave at UCSD a couple of weeks ago with eric saxe. >> it's linked off eric's blog: http://blogs.sun.com/esaxe >> >> cheers, steve >> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 12:24:22PM -0800, Ben Rockwood wrote: >> >> >>> Is there a stock OpenSolaris presentation laying around? I've >>> been asked to do a 20 minute presentation on OpenSolaris this >>> Thursday at BayLISA. If a set of slides and outline already >>> exist perhaps I'll use that rather than work it all up again >>> myself. >>> >>> If they don't, whatever I come up with will be made publically >>> avalible. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> benr. _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ opensolaris-mktg > mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From Ulf at Andreasson.co.uk Tue Dec 13 14:44:53 2005 From: Ulf at Andreasson.co.uk (Ulf Andreasson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:44:53 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439F15E8.5000605@sun.com> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> <439E8371.7060901@sun.com> <439E8DD3.2020203@cuddletech.com> <439F15E8.5000605@sun.com> Message-ID: <439F4EE5.6090402@Andreasson.co.uk> Jim I more than agree (wrt Chandans gfx and a commong OS template) .... btw shouldn't we also have a place where people also can upload (login) themes etc ..... his stuff is just so cool ;) reg//ulf Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> What would be useful, if it isn't already posted some place that >> I'm not seeing, is a set of OpenOffice templates that anyone can >> use to start with. > > > Do you like the Chandan look/feel of my slides to use as a template? > I can post that for people to use. It's the closest thing we have to > the look/feel of the site itself. I only use it because I like > Chandan's stuff and I don't like Sun's. Otherwise, maybe we create a > new template from scratch that comes from the community, not Sun. > Everything else is Sun-branded slides, though. > >> Also, organizing some of the useful information on the project that >> would be used in a preso into a single page would be nice as well >> so that timely stats can be used, for instance. Right now I'm >> dancing around email archives, discussion forums, and pages trying >> to pull information together. > > > Good idea. Maybe a new page in the marketing community drawing from > multiple sources? I think Patrick has a really nice start with his > metrics page: > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/ Maybe we > expand that? What additional things should we track (question for > everyone)? I think it's a great thing to have for both community > marketing and user group activities. Also, we have the > request-sponsor bug data here: > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/ > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ opensolaris-mktg > mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Dec 13 16:51:35 2005 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:51:35 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Presentation Slides In-Reply-To: <439F4EE5.6090402@Andreasson.co.uk> References: <439DDC76.9080206@cuddletech.com> <20051213052724.GB875501@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <439E7491.1020503@cuddletech.com> <439E8371.7060901@sun.com> <439E8DD3.2020203@cuddletech.com> <439F15E8.5000605@sun.com> <439F4EE5.6090402@Andreasson.co.uk> Message-ID: <439F6C97.8040102@sun.com> Here's an OpenSolaris preso template if anyone is interested in using it. Tim, please feel free to post to the user group preso page. Jim --- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ Ulf Andreasson wrote: > Jim > > I more than agree (wrt Chandans gfx and a commong OS template) .... > btw shouldn't we also have a place where people also can upload (login) > themes etc ..... his stuff is just so cool ;) > > reg//ulf > > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> Ben Rockwood wrote: >> >>> What would be useful, if it isn't already posted some place that I'm >>> not seeing, is a set of OpenOffice templates that anyone can use to >>> start with. >> >> >> >> Do you like the Chandan look/feel of my slides to use as a template? >> I can post that for people to use. It's the closest thing we have to >> the look/feel of the site itself. I only use it because I like >> Chandan's stuff and I don't like Sun's. Otherwise, maybe we create a >> new template from scratch that comes from the community, not Sun. >> Everything else is Sun-branded slides, though. >> >>> Also, organizing some of the useful information on the project that >>> would be used in a preso into a single page would be nice as well >>> so that timely stats can be used, for instance. Right now I'm >>> dancing around email archives, discussion forums, and pages trying >>> to pull information together. >> >> >> >> Good idea. Maybe a new page in the marketing community drawing from >> multiple sources? I think Patrick has a really nice start with his >> metrics page: >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/ Maybe we >> expand that? What additional things should we track (question for >> everyone)? I think it's a great thing to have for both community >> marketing and user group activities. Also, we have the request-sponsor >> bug data here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/ >> >> Jim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ opensolaris-mktg >> mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 121305-opensolaris-preso-template.sti Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.impress.template Size: 41879 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sch at eng.sun.com Wed Dec 14 16:21:30 2005 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:21:30 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> * Dan Price [2005-12-14 15:56]: > On Wed 14 Dec 2005 at 03:10PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: > > > 4. Another concern is that the body of the page is supposed to echo > > > the navigation elements in the top right-- providing additional > > > context about what the buttons mean to first time users. > > > > Proposed content? > > See attached. The ordering of the righthand boxes is obviously > alterable to taste. > > However, since the home page layout problems remain unfixed due to lack > of dynamic content "widgets" we have to be cautious about the height of > the righthand column. > > If that problem were fixed, we'd have more flexibility in defining a > righthand column, since the main page would not be held hostage by table > rows. > > > > 5. Finally-- it's the holiday season. When oh when will we see an > > > update to the front page of the site? At least put a right-hand > > > box to highlight the store up there (with a pic of the tree-shirt, > > > perhaps?). The body of the home page should mention that our > > > source browser is called OpenGrok, and put a link to the > > > project page. > > > > Proposed content? Clarification of what the store operating > > conditions are? Solicited input from opensolaris-mktg Community? I > > I have no idea-- all I know is that Sara and others have been advertising > the store. So why not put it on the front page? > > > am happy to effect changes that have some consensus behind them, but > > the default content updates come from announcements, news, and blogs. > > Changes beyond that need buy in--or I can just stay up late and make > > up something silly if you like. > > Well when we did the first round of updates, eight hours after launch, > we just pulled a few team members into a room and got to consensus. Is > there a process by which I can propose and effect change other than by > posting to this list? If there is, I didn't know and apologize. But I > have the impression that I've come to the wrong place. If so, I'll > refrain from future comments. [cc'ing opensolaris-mktg] Dan has identified a gap in our now-open website content management process. I would like to get a mechanism where the OpenSolaris Marketing/Advocacy community and the Website community can get the main page updated without anyone feeling blindsided. (That is, while the Infrastructure team knows what's new in terms of capabilities, it's not the sole source of what should be important and thus displayed on the front page.) Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given URL. Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate change? http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the content Friday morning. If there are objections--please be specific--a brief discussion on those points will start. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From dp at eng.sun.com Wed Dec 14 18:11:07 2005 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:11:07 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> On Wed 14 Dec 2005 at 04:21PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: > Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given URL. > Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate > change? > > http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png > > If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the > content Friday morning. If there are objections--please be > specific--a brief discussion on those points will start. As a side note, I pulled the text out of thin air. A thorough review for grammar, spelling, tone, etc. is in order... -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From chekristo at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 18:43:22 2005 From: chekristo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ch=C3=A9_Kristo?=) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:43:22 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: What do we know about Freedomtoaster.org? In-Reply-To: <439E1D0C.8050900@sun.com> Message-ID: <9267156.1134614632127.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> I was speaking to Jeff Waugh about these a few weeks back...he mentioned that we might be able to roll these out in regional 0000Australia too! On OpenSolaris builds...Nexenta haven't really curried to much favour from what I have seen so that rules them out. Remember these are for distributing consumer oriented FOSS software, somehow I can't see a vanilla OpenSolaris build falling into that category. This message posted from opensolaris.org From Kamal.Varma at Sun.COM Wed Dec 14 18:44:08 2005 From: Kamal.Varma at Sun.COM (Kamal Varma) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:44:08 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> I haven't kept up with OpenSolaris marketing so apologies in advance for my lack of background/understanding of why this proposed change now. The premise for putting some dynamic content on the front page (news, events, announcements, etc.) was to peek interest and draw visitors back (especially the broader class of visitors who aren't necessarily going to engage on the development front). Are we past that need now? Is there now enough momentum/buzz around the opensolaris community & beyond that we no longer need to showcase it? Or is all that moving to a different site/location? Kamal Dan Price wrote On 12/14/05 18:11,: > On Wed 14 Dec 2005 at 04:21PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: > >> Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given URL. >> Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate >> change? >> >> http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png >> >> If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the >> content Friday morning. If there are objections--please be >> specific--a brief discussion on those points will start. > > > As a side note, I pulled the text out of thin air. A thorough review > for grammar, spelling, tone, etc. is in order... > > -dp > From mo137222 at jurassic.sfbay.sun.com Wed Dec 14 19:07:51 2005 From: mo137222 at jurassic.sfbay.sun.com (Michelle Olson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:07:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns Message-ID: <200512150311.jBF3BnTD494137@jurassic.eng.sun.com> I'll bite... I like these proposed changes: http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png --good improvements. I suggest these changes: [mo-1] I would reword the first sentence of the description for 'i' to the following : "Start by taking a look at our project overview..." to make the language consistent with the other descriptions. 'To start' is kinda weird in this context. [mo-1a] The first icon 'i' in the center should link to the project overview page, IMO, to be consistent with the other icons that link to their associated pages. Also, the 'i' icon is not repeated in the upper-right, so maybe it should be, per dp's original comments? [mo-2] The second descriptive paragraph in the center should remove the first 'lively' because "...join lively dozens of lively discussion forums..." reads like a typo. Also, change 'New users...' to 'You may wish to subscribe to opensolaris-announce if you are a new member.' because the change from first-person is confusing. [mo-3] I'd reword the projects description in the center to the following for consistency: "Access the Projects Portal to find out about active projects we're hosting." [mo-4] I'd change the center text for the code browser icon to the following for consistency: "Explore the source using our wicked fast code browser, OpenGrok." This just aides readability by using an action verb at the beginning of each description; Start, Join, Visit, Access, Download, Explore. Maybe 'access' isn't the best so other suggestions here might be helpful. [mo-5] Finally, I would add one sentence to the Projects Portal page describing how one should request a project or how one gets access to add or edit /projects. Regards, Michelle OpenSolaris Doc Community >X-Original-To: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >Delivered-To: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:21:30 -0800 >From: Stephen Hahn >To: Dan Price >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Disposition: inline >User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i >Cc: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org, website-discuss at opensolaris.org >Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns >X-BeenThere: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >List-Id: List for marketing discussions >List-Unsubscribe: , >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: , > >* Dan Price [2005-12-14 15:56]: >> On Wed 14 Dec 2005 at 03:10PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: >> > > 4. Another concern is that the body of the page is supposed to echo >> > > the navigation elements in the top right-- providing additional >> > > context about what the buttons mean to first time users. >> > >> > Proposed content? >> >> See attached. The ordering of the righthand boxes is obviously >> alterable to taste. >> >> However, since the home page layout problems remain unfixed due to lack >> of dynamic content "widgets" we have to be cautious about the height of >> the righthand column. >> >> If that problem were fixed, we'd have more flexibility in defining a >> righthand column, since the main page would not be held hostage by table >> rows. >> >> > > 5. Finally-- it's the holiday season. When oh when will we see an >> > > update to the front page of the site? At least put a right-hand >> > > box to highlight the store up there (with a pic of the tree-shirt, >> > > perhaps?). The body of the home page should mention that our >> > > source browser is called OpenGrok, and put a link to the >> > > project page. >> > >> > Proposed content? Clarification of what the store operating >> > conditions are? Solicited input from opensolaris-mktg Community? I >> >> I have no idea-- all I know is that Sara and others have been advertising >> the store. So why not put it on the front page? >> >> > am happy to effect changes that have some consensus behind them, but >> > the default content updates come from announcements, news, and blogs. >> > Changes beyond that need buy in--or I can just stay up late and make >> > up something silly if you like. >> >> Well when we did the first round of updates, eight hours after launch, >> we just pulled a few team members into a room and got to consensus. Is >> there a process by which I can propose and effect change other than by >> posting to this list? If there is, I didn't know and apologize. But I >> have the impression that I've come to the wrong place. If so, I'll >> refrain from future comments. > > [cc'ing opensolaris-mktg] > > Dan has identified a gap in our now-open website content management > process. I would like to get a mechanism where the OpenSolaris > Marketing/Advocacy community and the Website community can get the > main page updated without anyone feeling blindsided. (That is, while > the Infrastructure team knows what's new in terms of capabilities, > it's not the sole source of what should be important and thus > displayed on the front page.) > > Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given URL. > Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate > change? > > http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png > > If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the > content Friday morning. If there are objections--please be > specific--a brief discussion on those points will start. > > - Stephen > >-- >Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems >stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed Dec 14 19:44:54 2005 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:44:54 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <728606.1134352567845.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <728606.1134352567845.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <43A0E6B6.5010000@sun.com> Which ones do you need? Logos and fan buttons or the icons from the site? Sara Ch? Kristo wrote: >so about those graphics, can i get my hands on some better quality graphics for the docs? >This message posted from opensolaris.org >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed Dec 14 19:57:33 2005 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:57:33 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <200512150311.jBF3BnTD494137@jurassic.eng.sun.com> References: <200512150311.jBF3BnTD494137@jurassic.eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43A0E9AD.8070602@sun.com> We had discussed the use of a splash page at one time. A relatively clean page that allowed new users to find out more (a tour - simple step by step of how to use the site) and then quick links to download or discuss. This screen would only pop up once and then the user could opt to not have to see it again. I like this idea. Other stuff - OpenSolaris shouldn't be referred to as an "operating system", as it is not. But I know that that copy is up for discussion. - I love the link to the store at the top, but since we won't always have black t-shirts available, I'm concerned that using that graphic will only lead to my receiving even more emails about t-shirts. :) There must be another graphic that could be used. Is the right side set up as a marketing list? - I loved the Open in various languages for launch, but if we are going to redesign, we should consider updating that as well. In a sense, it is old news. And it takes up a lot of the page. - Tagging is important, but I feel (kill me if you must) that it is carrying too much weight here. I think contributing and collaborating are more important. Sara Michelle Olson wrote: >I'll bite... > >I like these proposed changes: >http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png >--good improvements. I suggest these changes: > >[mo-1] I would reword the first sentence of the description for 'i' to >the following : "Start by taking a look at our project overview..." to >make the language consistent with the other descriptions. 'To start' >is kinda weird in this context. > >[mo-1a] The first icon 'i' in the center should link to the project >overview page, IMO, to be consistent with the other icons that link to >their associated pages. Also, the 'i' icon is not repeated in the >upper-right, so maybe it should be, per dp's original comments? > >[mo-2] The second descriptive paragraph in the center should remove >the first 'lively' because "...join lively dozens of lively discussion >forums..." reads like a typo. Also, change 'New users...' to 'You may >wish to subscribe to opensolaris-announce if you are a new member.' >because the change from first-person is confusing. > >[mo-3] I'd reword the projects description in the center to the >following for consistency: "Access the Projects Portal to find out >about active projects we're hosting." > >[mo-4] I'd change the center text for the code browser icon to the >following for consistency: "Explore the source using our wicked fast >code browser, OpenGrok." > >This just aides readability by using an action verb at the beginning >of each description; Start, Join, Visit, Access, Download, Explore. >Maybe 'access' isn't the best so other suggestions here might be >helpful. > >[mo-5] Finally, I would add one sentence to the Projects Portal page >describing how one should request a project or how one gets access to >add or edit /projects. > >Regards, >Michelle >OpenSolaris Doc Community > > > >>X-Original-To: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>Delivered-To: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:21:30 -0800 >>From: Stephen Hahn >>To: Dan Price >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Disposition: inline >>User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i >>Cc: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org, website-discuss at opensolaris.org >>Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other >> >> >concerns > > >>X-BeenThere: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >>List-Id: List for marketing discussions >> >> > > > >>List-Unsubscribe: >> >> >, > > > >>List-Archive: >> >> > > > >>List-Post: >>List-Help: >> >> > > > >>List-Subscribe: >> >> >, > > > >>* Dan Price [2005-12-14 15:56]: >> >> >>>On Wed 14 Dec 2005 at 03:10PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>4. Another concern is that the body of the page is supposed to >>>>> >>>>> >echo > > >>>>> the navigation elements in the top right-- providing >>>>> >>>>> >additional > > >>>>> context about what the buttons mean to first time users. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Proposed content? >>>> >>>> >>>See attached. The ordering of the righthand boxes is obviously >>>alterable to taste. >>> >>>However, since the home page layout problems remain unfixed due to >>> >>> >lack > > >>>of dynamic content "widgets" we have to be cautious about the >>> >>> >height of > > >>>the righthand column. >>> >>>If that problem were fixed, we'd have more flexibility in defining >>> >>> >a > > >>>righthand column, since the main page would not be held hostage by >>> >>> >table > > >>>rows. >>> >>> >>> >>>>>5. Finally-- it's the holiday season. When oh when will we see >>>>> >>>>> >an > > >>>>> update to the front page of the site? At least put a >>>>> >>>>> >right-hand > > >>>>> box to highlight the store up there (with a pic of the >>>>> >>>>> >tree-shirt, > > >>>>> perhaps?). The body of the home page should mention that >>>>> >>>>> >our > > >>>>> source browser is called OpenGrok, and put a link to the >>>>> project page. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Proposed content? Clarification of what the store operating >>>> conditions are? Solicited input from opensolaris-mktg >>>> >>>> >Community? I > > >>>I have no idea-- all I know is that Sara and others have been >>> >>> >advertising > > >>>the store. So why not put it on the front page? >>> >>> >>> >>>> am happy to effect changes that have some consensus behind >>>> >>>> >them, but > > >>>> the default content updates come from announcements, news, and >>>> >>>> >blogs. > > >>>> Changes beyond that need buy in--or I can just stay up late and >>>> >>>> >make > > >>>> up something silly if you like. >>>> >>>> >>>Well when we did the first round of updates, eight hours after >>> >>> >launch, > > >>>we just pulled a few team members into a room and got to consensus. >>> >>> > Is > > >>>there a process by which I can propose and effect change other than >>> >>> >by > > >>>posting to this list? If there is, I didn't know and apologize. >>> >>> >But I > > >>>have the impression that I've come to the wrong place. If so, I'll >>>refrain from future comments. >>> >>> >> [cc'ing opensolaris-mktg] >> >> Dan has identified a gap in our now-open website content management >> process. I would like to get a mechanism where the OpenSolaris >> Marketing/Advocacy community and the Website community can get the >> main page updated without anyone feeling blindsided. (That is, >> >> >while > > >> the Infrastructure team knows what's new in terms of capabilities, >> it's not the sole source of what should be important and thus >> displayed on the front page.) >> >> Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given >> >> >URL. > > >> Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate >> change? >> >> http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png >> >> If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the >> content Friday morning. 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URL: From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Dec 14 23:38:19 2005 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:38:19 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A0E9AD.8070602@sun.com> References: <200512150311.jBF3BnTD494137@jurassic.eng.sun.com> <43A0E9AD.8070602@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A11D6B.2060207@sun.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > We had discussed the use of a splash page at one time. A relatively > clean page that allowed new users to find out more (a tour - simple step > by step of how to use the site) and then quick links to download or > discuss. This screen would only pop up once and then the user could opt > to not have to see it again. I like this idea. I liked the idea before we launched, as well, but we never implemented it and we've been open now for a while so I'm not sure it's necessary. > Other stuff > - OpenSolaris shouldn't be referred to as an "operating system", as it > is not. But I know that that copy is up for discussion. > - I love the link to the store at the top, but since we won't always > have black t-shirts available, I'm concerned that using that graphic > will only lead to my receiving even more emails about t-shirts. :) There > must be another graphic that could be used. Is the right side set up as > a marketing list? > - I loved the Open in various languages for launch, but if we are going > to redesign, we should consider updating that as well. In a sense, it is > old news. And it takes up a lot of the page. Agree. Perhaps a different treatment of the graphic? Something new from Chandan that extends/leverages the original? > - Tagging is important, but I feel (kill me if you must) that it is > carrying too much weight here. I think contributing and collaborating > are more important. I agree. That box can be made much smaller. Like maybe 1/4 the size. Just dump the list and close it up to this: "OpenSolaris is our tag for blogs, photos, and bookmarks on Technorati, del.icio.us, and flickr." Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Dec 14 23:44:22 2005 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:44:22 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> Kamal Varma wrote: > I haven't kept up with OpenSolaris marketing so apologies in advance for > my lack of background/understanding of why this proposed change now. > > The premise for putting some dynamic content on the front page (news, > events, announcements, etc.) was to peek interest and draw visitors back > (especially the broader class of visitors who aren't necessarily going > to engage on the development front). Are we past that need now? Nope. Those elements are all staying. I think Dan's suggested changes only apply to middle portion of the page, not the left nav bar. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Dec 15 00:01:57 2005 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:01:57 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43A122F5.8050705@sun.com> Stephen Hahn wrote: > Dan has identified a gap in our now-open website content management > process. I would like to get a mechanism where the OpenSolaris > Marketing/Advocacy community and the Website community can get the > main page updated without anyone feeling blindsided. (That is, while > the Infrastructure team knows what's new in terms of capabilities, > it's not the sole source of what should be important and thus > displayed on the front page.) > > Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given URL. > Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate > change? > > http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png > > If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the > content Friday morning. If there are objections--please be > specific--a brief discussion on those points will start. I agree with Dan's observation that the graphical balance is now altered a bit between the logo on the left and the icons the right. I'd not increase the size of the logo, though, but perhaps simply moving it up a bit would help. Also I do see the spacing issue on with the icons on the left, but I think it's minor and can be solved by, well, adding some space. Dan's mock-up has a similar problem with the icons that run vertically (so does the live site I'm just noticing), so that would have to be fixed as well. Again, a really minor point. And I like adding "OpenGrok" but I'd delete the term "wicked fast" at this point. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Dec 15 01:09:19 2005 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:09:19 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43A132BF.5030605@sun.com> Stephen Hahn wrote: > [cc'ing opensolaris-mktg] > > Dan has identified a gap in our now-open website content management > process. I would like to get a mechanism where the OpenSolaris > Marketing/Advocacy community and the Website community can get the > main page updated without anyone feeling blindsided. (That is, while > the Infrastructure team knows what's new in terms of capabilities, > it's not the sole source of what should be important and thus > displayed on the front page.) > > Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given URL. > Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate > change? > > http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png > > If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the > content Friday morning. If there are objections--please be > specific--a brief discussion on those points will start. For discussion: suggested content update to the opening page paragraph. What is the OpenSolaris Project? The OpenSolaris project is an open source community and a place for collaboration and conversation around OpenSolaris technology. The community represents a wide variety of people around the world, including developers adding functionality to the system or customizing the technology for new applications and platforms; system administrators implementing Solaris technology in data centers; educators and students researching operating systems in universities; and new users exploring the technology and discovering that OpenSolaris offers new opportunities. The OpenSolaris source code is already cutting edge, but innovation happens everywhere so we welcome your involvement. Here's what our community has to offer right now: (list of icons, etc ...) Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu Dec 15 05:38:48 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:38:48 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43A171E8.9070203@sun.com> Stephen: This is great--and thanks for the invitation. We have a few "cosmetic" ideas that we'd like to forward. They are by NO MEANS p1 sort of changes, and so do NOT have to happen before January--But they are things that would give the marketing and user group activities more visibility up front, and help drive clicks. What is the best approach for sending these along? LKR Stephen Hahn wrote: >* Dan Price [2005-12-14 15:56]: > > >>On Wed 14 Dec 2005 at 03:10PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: >> >> >>>>4. Another concern is that the body of the page is supposed to echo >>>> the navigation elements in the top right-- providing additional >>>> context about what the buttons mean to first time users. >>>> >>>> >>> Proposed content? >>> >>> >>See attached. The ordering of the righthand boxes is obviously >>alterable to taste. >> >>However, since the home page layout problems remain unfixed due to lack >>of dynamic content "widgets" we have to be cautious about the height of >>the righthand column. >> >>If that problem were fixed, we'd have more flexibility in defining a >>righthand column, since the main page would not be held hostage by table >>rows. >> >> >> >>>>5. Finally-- it's the holiday season. When oh when will we see an >>>> update to the front page of the site? At least put a right-hand >>>> box to highlight the store up there (with a pic of the tree-shirt, >>>> perhaps?). The body of the home page should mention that our >>>> source browser is called OpenGrok, and put a link to the >>>> project page. >>>> >>>> >>> Proposed content? Clarification of what the store operating >>> conditions are? Solicited input from opensolaris-mktg Community? I >>> >>> >>I have no idea-- all I know is that Sara and others have been advertising >>the store. So why not put it on the front page? >> >> >> >>> am happy to effect changes that have some consensus behind them, but >>> the default content updates come from announcements, news, and blogs. >>> Changes beyond that need buy in--or I can just stay up late and make >>> up something silly if you like. >>> >>> >>Well when we did the first round of updates, eight hours after launch, >>we just pulled a few team members into a room and got to consensus. Is >>there a process by which I can propose and effect change other than by >>posting to this list? If there is, I didn't know and apologize. But I >>have the impression that I've come to the wrong place. If so, I'll >>refrain from future comments. >> >> > > [cc'ing opensolaris-mktg] > > Dan has identified a gap in our now-open website content management > process. I would like to get a mechanism where the OpenSolaris > Marketing/Advocacy community and the Website community can get the > main page updated without anyone feeling blindsided. 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URL: From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu Dec 15 08:19:05 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:19:05 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> +1 ...and hopefully we'll get a plan/process in place for a light evolution of the site to re-arrange some links, move things up more, etc. over the course of the next quarter. The key is keeping the site's recognition value high. We don't want to do redesigns that might inconvenience fellow surfers...and we don't want to mess up the front page too much because it will wreck bookmarks -- Like, I hate it when Sun revamps the mymarketing page. I have a "mouse memory" of where which links where, and how they were organized and when they change it for the sake of change, it's frustrating! (I"m on a roll) It's like re-arranging the linen closet. When you're getting out of the shower, and realize you need a towel, and you reach around to grab a towel on the second or third shelves of the closet (everyone KNOWS towels belong at the shelves waist or shoulder height...) and somebody put the sheets there! Not good. Now, what were we talking about? Oh yeah. light changes=high recognition zones for news/frequent updates = good Frequent updates in random places = bad LKR Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Kamal Varma wrote: > >> I haven't kept up with OpenSolaris marketing so apologies in advance >> for my lack of background/understanding of why this proposed change now. >> >> The premise for putting some dynamic content on the front page (news, >> events, announcements, etc.) was to peek interest and draw visitors >> back (especially the broader class of visitors who aren't necessarily >> going to engage on the development front). Are we past that need now? > > > Nope. Those elements are all staying. I think Dan's suggested changes > only apply to middle portion of the page, not the left nav bar. > > Jim From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu Dec 15 08:36:03 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:36:03 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A132BF.5030605@sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <43A132BF.5030605@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A19B73.4020809@sun.com> I like Jim's copy below. Very nice. Do We need a link and call to action to invite folks to sign up for User Groups? They could use some front page visibility (click here to join a user group in your area...or start one of your own!) LKR Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Stephen Hahn wrote: > >> [cc'ing opensolaris-mktg] >> >> Dan has identified a gap in our now-open website content management >> process. I would like to get a mechanism where the OpenSolaris >> Marketing/Advocacy community and the Website community can get the >> main page updated without anyone feeling blindsided. (That is, while >> the Infrastructure team knows what's new in terms of capabilities, >> it's not the sole source of what should be important and thus >> displayed on the front page.) >> >> Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given URL. >> Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate >> change? >> >> http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png >> >> If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the >> content Friday morning. If there are objections--please be >> specific--a brief discussion on those points will start. > > > > For discussion: suggested content update to the opening page paragraph. > > What is the OpenSolaris Project? > > The OpenSolaris project is an open source community and a place for > collaboration and conversation around OpenSolaris technology. > > The community represents a wide variety of people around the world, > including developers adding functionality to the system or customizing > the technology for new applications and platforms; system > administrators implementing Solaris technology in data centers; > educators and students researching operating systems in universities; > and new users exploring the technology and discovering that > OpenSolaris offers new opportunities. > > The OpenSolaris source code is already cutting edge, but innovation > happens everywhere so we welcome your involvement. > > Here's what our community has to offer right now: > > (list of icons, etc ...) > > Jim From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Thu Dec 15 16:42:24 2005 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:42:24 +1300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> Message-ID: <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> Hey, On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 11:19 -0500, Laura Ramsey wrote: > +1 > > ...and hopefully we'll get a plan/process in place for a light evolution > of the site to re-arrange some links, move things up more, etc. over the > course of the next quarter. The key is keeping the site's recognition > value high. We don't want to do redesigns that might inconvenience > fellow surfers...and we don't want to mess up the front page too much > because it will wreck bookmarks -- I doubt too many people will be bookmarking the front page ;) I do think that we need a steady evolution of the front page though to push the community off into different directions that are hot. It's all about cheerleading, excitement and growing the community. How are we going to get them back after their first browse - is it a sense of technology, or community, or both? others? How do we get them back on a regular basis...then the $1,000,000 question, how do we get them to contribute? I think opensolaris.org has a powerful part to play in that. For example, this is an evolution of what gnome.org has been doing, and I find it's pretty effective - http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/bug-hunt-wgo.png http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/forum-gnome-2005.png http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/gimp2.png http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/gmt-spreadtheword2.png http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/gnome28.png http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/gnome_tshirts.png http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/goodbye_phone.png http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/guadec-2004-end.png http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/summit-mit-2005.png etc.. It might also be interesting to look at the web stats and see what hot pages people are going to, and make those more visible on the main page somehow. Just my 2 cent. Glynn From chekristo at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 17:13:55 2005 From: chekristo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ch=C3=A9_Kristo?=) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:13:55 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <43A0E6B6.5010000@sun.com> Message-ID: <23996534.1134695665298.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Just a higher resolution of this logo: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/cmh/opensolaris_logo_med.png would be great to get the ball rolling. At this res it looks a tad bit crapola after bringing it into OOo. Do we have any thing like a mascot, I saw some discussion but did anything come of it? This message posted from opensolaris.org From stevel at sun.com Thu Dec 15 17:24:42 2005 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:24:42 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <23996534.1134695665298.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <23996534.1134695665298.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <43A2175A.8060900@sun.com> what about the svg? render at any resolution you want :-) Ch? Kristo wrote: > Just a higher resolution of this logo: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/cmh/opensolaris_logo_med.png would be great to get the ball rolling. > > At this res it looks a tad bit crapola after bringing it into OOo. > > Do we have any thing like a mascot, I saw some discussion but did anything come of it? > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can get it here - http://www.gnome.org/~gman/opensolaris.svg [Probably should be put up on opensolaris.org though] Glynn From chekristo at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 17:37:15 2005 From: chekristo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ch=C3=A9_Kristo?=) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:37:15 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <43A2175A.8060900@sun.com> Message-ID: <9207467.1134697066059.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Thanks Stephen This message posted from opensolaris.org From chekristo at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 17:56:53 2005 From: chekristo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ch=C3=A9_Kristo?=) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:56:53 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: Re: Re: template question In-Reply-To: <1134696897.27409.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3402244.1134698243780.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> i missed it too, can someone with the privileges tack this onto the buttons and logos page in mktg? This message posted from opensolaris.org From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri Dec 16 07:49:54 2005 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:49:54 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: <43906A29.5050606@sun.com> References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43906A29.5050606@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A2E222.1050804@sun.com> All, An updated report for week 26 is available here http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/week_26_stats/ regards Patrick From Ulf at Andreasson.co.uk Fri Dec 16 12:17:44 2005 From: Ulf at Andreasson.co.uk (Ulf Andreasson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:17:44 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: <43A2E222.1050804@sun.com> References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43906A29.5050606@sun.com> <43A2E222.1050804@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A320E8.2010508@Andreasson.co.uk> ok but I guess I have to ask ...... out ouf 10,700 registred there are 9,200+ non-Sun and 1,100+ Sun employees .... so what are the other 400 ... aliens ;) ?? do we have any clue about other FOSS "communities" stats ...... reg//ulf Patrick Finch wrote: > All, > > An updated report for week 26 is available here > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/week_26_stats/ > > > regards > > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ opensolaris-mktg > mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From dp at eng.sun.com Fri Dec 16 13:43:12 2005 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:43:12 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> On Fri 16 Dec 2005 at 01:42PM, Glynn Foster wrote: > > ...and hopefully we'll get a plan/process in place for a light evolution > > of the site to re-arrange some links, move things up more, etc. over the > > course of the next quarter. The key is keeping the site's recognition > > value high. We don't want to do redesigns that might inconvenience > > fellow surfers...and we don't want to mess up the front page too much > > because it will wreck bookmarks -- > > I doubt too many people will be bookmarking the front page ;) Huh? There are 185 del.icio.us bookmarks to it alone. > I do think that we need a steady evolution of the front page though to > push the community off into different directions that are hot. It's all > about cheerleading, excitement and growing the community. How are we > going to get them back after their first browse - is it a sense of > technology, or community, or both? others? How do we get them back on a > regular basis...then the $1,000,000 question, how do we get them to > contribute? I think opensolaris.org has a powerful part to play in that. I agree that interesting art to thematically replace our "open" thingy would be great-- something to commemorate the ZFS launch, something for BrandZ, etc. But right now the only artist (AFAIK) we've had is Chandan, whose real job is engineering. So it seems a little unfair to draft him continuously. -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Dec 16 14:37:25 2005 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:37:25 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A132BF.5030605@sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <43A132BF.5030605@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A341A5.9030208@sun.com> Laura recently wrote something for the sun.com/opensource page. We should keep our description of the project consistent. *Laura* can you share that? I like both of them. Sara Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Stephen Hahn wrote: > >> [cc'ing opensolaris-mktg] >> >> Dan has identified a gap in our now-open website content management >> process. I would like to get a mechanism where the OpenSolaris >> Marketing/Advocacy community and the Website community can get the >> main page updated without anyone feeling blindsided. (That is, while >> the Infrastructure team knows what's new in terms of capabilities, >> it's not the sole source of what should be important and thus >> displayed on the front page.) >> >> Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given URL. >> Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate >> change? >> >> http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png >> >> If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the >> content Friday morning. If there are objections--please be >> specific--a brief discussion on those points will start. > > > > For discussion: suggested content update to the opening page paragraph. > > What is the OpenSolaris Project? > > The OpenSolaris project is an open source community and a place for > collaboration and conversation around OpenSolaris technology. > > The community represents a wide variety of people around the world, > including developers adding functionality to the system or customizing > the technology for new applications and platforms; system > administrators implementing Solaris technology in data centers; > educators and students researching operating systems in universities; > and new users exploring the technology and discovering that > OpenSolaris offers new opportunities. > > The OpenSolaris source code is already cutting edge, but innovation > happens everywhere so we welcome your involvement. > > Here's what our community has to offer right now: > > (list of icons, etc ...) > > Jim From benr at cuddletech.com Fri Dec 16 14:46:48 2005 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:46:48 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Grass Roots Sun Studio Marketing Campaign Message-ID: <43A343D8.6010000@cuddletech.com> I love Sun Studio, but it isn't getting much love. We needed to save Studio from a certain death and making the product free certainly does that. Sun's done its part, now we, the community, need to push a bit. Studio isn't really marketed and just needs some love and attention so I'm starting a little grass-roots marketing campaign for Sun Studio 11. The idea is to get people who use and love Studio to say so. Best and easiest way to do that is to provide a web badge users can put on their sites/blogs/etc. Check mine out in my blog (cuddletech.com/blog/). The image is here: http://www.cuddletech.com/img/choose_studio.png The messaging is simple and straight forward... I choose Sun Studio, you can too. To avoid stepping on any copyright or trademarks I'm not using Sun logos, just simple and clean, which I think also translate to authentic. Good idea? Bad idea? Either way, I'm going forward with it. I'd love to see people get on board as well and start using it. To do so, just drop the following HTML into your sidebar or whatever is best for you:
(If possible, please put the image on your own server so that cuddletech doesn't get killed.) Long Live Studio! benr. From sch at eng.sun.com Fri Dec 16 15:06:54 2005 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:06:54 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Proposing a website design revision process In-Reply-To: <43A171E8.9070203@sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <43A171E8.9070203@sun.com> Message-ID: <20051216230654.GC199635@eng.sun.com> * Laura Ramsey [2005-12-15 05:38]: > This is great--and thanks for the invitation. We have a few "cosmetic" > ideas that we'd like to forward. They are by NO MEANS p1 sort of > changes, and so do NOT have to happen before January--But they are > things that would give the marketing and user group activities more > visibility up front, and help drive clicks. > > What is the best approach for sending these along? Derek and I were just talking about this earlier today. While we both have concerns about general design goals, we would like to get to a method for identifying, tracking, and resolving smaller issues. Here's my proposal 1. Realize some piece of information is missing, awkwardly represented, or difficult to discover on opensolaris.org. Search the website-discuss forum to see if it's been mentioned before. 2. If it's really small, like a typo or error in grammar, just summarize the change in a mail/posting to website-discuss. Someone will either make the correction or ask for clarification. If this discussion doesn't resolve, the change wasn't really small and you're on to the next step. 3. If not a small change, use http://www.opensolaris.org/bug/report.jspa to file a bug in the opensolaris/website category. The Synopsis field should start with "*design*". For example, *design* front page link to opensolaris store needed is a recently relevant example synopsis. 4. Someone on the website team will look at the submitted bugs and propose a possible change to the forum. Alternate proposals and criticism will be entertained, with a resolution for up to medium sized change--new elements, new attachments, etc.--within two weeks. A final proposal will be offered for general consent, and then to a vote. 5. A short email for the correction or change will be sent to confirm that the change was made. The bug, if any, will be closed. This process isn't meant to handle large site changes; we'll need to think about how to handle those--at present, the feature support for source code management and governance is driving larger changes. Once we've built the initial versions of each of those, we can use this process to refine them. Comments? (So, Laura should get her list together and decide what's a correction and what's a change (and what's too big, but extremely important).) - Stephen From benr at cuddletech.com Fri Dec 16 15:21:48 2005 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:21:48 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] BayLISA Presentation Report Message-ID: <43A34C0C.6080007@cuddletech.com> I presented on Solaris/OpenSolaris last night at BayLISA (baylisa.org). It was the annual "Short but Cool" evening, where a variety of presenters are present and each get about 20 minutes to speak. We ended up having 6 preso's ranging from 'DragonFly BSD MP kernel mechanisms' which was highly technical to 'Novell and Linux' which was pure marketing. Given the audience and time time span I was really constricted on what I could get into, so I opted to do a presentation entitled "New Directions of Solaris in an Open World". I highlighted features in Solaris10, a brief history of Tonic/OpenSolaris, highlighted features of OpenSolaris, and then tried to demystify all the various ways to get Solaris (Solaris, SX, SX:CR, OpenSolaris Source, OpenSolaris BFU's, Distros) and pointed to resources. There was a liberal amount of segue in the course of it. The presentation flew by. The 25 minutes that I was up felt more like 10 and we covered very little ground but always stayed focused on the audience, System Administrators, and the deep level of community involvement that we have, including the fact that I, their humble presenter, was a community member, not an employee of Sun. They really seemed to respond well to the talk. The message I got was that most of them were jaded by the Sun marketing speak and didn't want to hear it and really opened up to everything I had to present with an open mind. I even made sure to remind them that they all, as Sun users and customers, were members of this community as well, whether they participate or not is their choice. Because of my time constraints and because I don't have a laptop I used my wifes Apple PowerBook and did the slides in Apple KeyNote. Since the meeting was at Apple I thought that was probably OK. I'll redo the slides in OO and put them up for those interested. I've been asked to come back some time later in the year and give a full 2+ hour presentation. When I do that presentation I'll be doing a very targeted "OpenSolaris for System Administrators" where I put focus on topics that are of direct interest to all sysadmins regardless of skill level, such as SMF, Zones, and ZFS, and try to focus a little less on DTrace which goes over the heads of some sysadmins. Thank you very much to Teresa for providing me with a swag kit. I was the only presenter with swag, and the audience loved it. I gave out S10 DVD's (6) to the few people in the room that hadn't used S10 before and gave out shirts (2) and hats (2) to the most worthy souls. The crowd was good, I'd assume we had about 50'ish people present. All the seats were full and several people standing. benr. **** From sch at eng.sun.com Fri Dec 16 15:36:20 2005 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:36:20 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] BayLISA Presentation Report In-Reply-To: <43A34C0C.6080007@cuddletech.com> References: <43A34C0C.6080007@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <20051216233620.GE199635@eng.sun.com> * Ben Rockwood [2005-12-16 15:22]: > [presentation report elided] Sounds like a great night; thanks for writing up and presenting your own views on the project/community/technologies. Cheers Stephen From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Fri Dec 16 19:30:18 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:30:18 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A341A5.9030208@sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <43A132BF.5030605@sun.com> <43A341A5.9030208@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A3864A.8010902@sun.com> Actually, I like the diversity. There's no need to have the same copy on all the same pages. As long as they all read in the same "key" it's great. And the one Jim has proposed is really nice. LKR Sara Dornsife wrote: > Laura recently wrote something for the sun.com/opensource page. We > should keep our description of the project consistent. *Laura* can you > share that? I like both of them. > Sara > > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> Stephen Hahn wrote: >> >>> [cc'ing opensolaris-mktg] >>> >>> Dan has identified a gap in our now-open website content management >>> process. I would like to get a mechanism where the OpenSolaris >>> Marketing/Advocacy community and the Website community can get the >>> main page updated without anyone feeling blindsided. (That is, while >>> the Infrastructure team knows what's new in terms of capabilities, >>> it's not the sole source of what should be important and thus >>> displayed on the front page.) >>> >>> Accordingly, Dan has proposed modifications as shown at the given >>> URL. >>> Is there anyone who thinks that this content is not an appropriate >>> change? >>> >>> http://mediacast.sun.com/share/sch/dp-new-front-content.png >>> >>> If there are no objections by 11p PST Thursday, we'll update the >>> content Friday morning. If there are objections--please be >>> specific--a brief discussion on those points will start. >> >> >> >> >> For discussion: suggested content update to the opening page paragraph. >> >> What is the OpenSolaris Project? >> >> The OpenSolaris project is an open source community and a place for >> collaboration and conversation around OpenSolaris technology. >> >> The community represents a wide variety of people around the world, >> including developers adding functionality to the system or >> customizing the technology for new applications and platforms; system >> administrators implementing Solaris technology in data centers; >> educators and students researching operating systems in universities; >> and new users exploring the technology and discovering that >> OpenSolaris offers new opportunities. >> >> The OpenSolaris source code is already cutting edge, but innovation >> happens everywhere so we welcome your involvement. >> >> Here's what our community has to offer right now: >> >> (list of icons, etc ...) >> >> Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sat Dec 17 02:53:24 2005 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:53:24 +1300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> Hey, On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 13:43 -0800, Dan Price wrote: > On Fri 16 Dec 2005 at 01:42PM, Glynn Foster wrote: > > > ...and hopefully we'll get a plan/process in place for a light evolution > > > of the site to re-arrange some links, move things up more, etc. over the > > > course of the next quarter. The key is keeping the site's recognition > > > value high. We don't want to do redesigns that might inconvenience > > > fellow surfers...and we don't want to mess up the front page too much > > > because it will wreck bookmarks -- > > > > I doubt too many people will be bookmarking the front page ;) > > Huh? There are 185 del.icio.us bookmarks to it alone. Hrm, ok, that did sound rather silly. I just wonder then if we've got all these people bookmarking the front page, how regularly they are coming back to it. Should the news section be more prominent? > > I do think that we need a steady evolution of the front page though to > > push the community off into different directions that are hot. It's all > > about cheerleading, excitement and growing the community. How are we > > going to get them back after their first browse - is it a sense of > > technology, or community, or both? others? How do we get them back on a > > regular basis...then the $1,000,000 question, how do we get them to > > contribute? I think opensolaris.org has a powerful part to play in that. > > I agree that interesting art to thematically replace our "open" thingy > would be great-- something to commemorate the ZFS launch, something for > BrandZ, etc. But right now the only artist (AFAIK) we've had is > Chandan, whose real job is engineering. So it seems a little unfair to > draft him continuously. Ahh, yes...but there's potentially 1000's of graphic artists out there to be able to do a similar job [1] - another avenue for community contributions that don't necessarily involve code. Glynn [1] With no discredit to Chandan - if he could be cloned that would be great ;) From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Sun Dec 18 07:06:26 2005 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:06:26 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: <43A320E8.2010508@Andreasson.co.uk> References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43906A29.5050606@sun.com> <43A2E222.1050804@sun.com> <43A320E8.2010508@Andreasson.co.uk> Message-ID: <43A57AF2.2050005@sun.com> Hi Ulf, I missed that point - it's now 9,500+ non-Sun and 1,100+ Sun members. They could still be aliens though, we don't record that when people register. I am looking into the community growth in both Glassfish and OpenOffice right now, any ideas or insight you have into other comparatives would be most welcome! best regards Patrick Ulf Andreasson wrote: > ok but I guess I have to ask ...... > > out ouf 10,700 registred there are 9,200+ non-Sun and 1,100+ Sun > employees .... so what are the other 400 ... aliens ;) ?? > > do we have any clue about other FOSS "communities" stats ...... > > reg//ulf > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > >> All, >> >> An updated report for week 26 is available here >> >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/week_26_stats/ >> >> >> regards >> >> >> Patrick >> >> _______________________________________________ opensolaris-mktg >> mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From blastwave at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 09:03:37 2005 From: blastwave at gmail.com (Dennis Clarke) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:03:37 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: <43A57AF2.2050005@sun.com> References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43906A29.5050606@sun.com> <43A2E222.1050804@sun.com> <43A320E8.2010508@Andreasson.co.uk> <43A57AF2.2050005@sun.com> Message-ID: On 12/18/05, Patrick Finch wrote: > Hi Ulf, > > I missed that point - it's now 9,500+ non-Sun and 1,100+ Sun members. > They could still be aliens though, we don't record that when people > register. Did you include a dropdown box with an option for Proxima Centauri ? At the very least, mars? I mean hey, these are our nearest neighbors and I am sure that they have a form posted with info for us located right next door and if we can't be bothered to check then why should they care about our registration forms? Imagine the indignation upon seeing the registration forms on this mostly harmless little blue planet. dc From felix.schulte at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 15:09:31 2005 From: felix.schulte at gmail.com (Felix Schulte) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:09:31 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. Message-ID: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> On 12/18/05, Bill Rushmore wrote: > On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:02, Gary Gendel wrote: > > Anyway, Linus has just opened another can of worms that directly effects OpenSolaris and JDS. > > I really don't see how this effects JDS or OpenSolaris. It just one > guy's opinion not some edict from above. Sun's choice of only shipping Gnome has serious impact for the (Open)Solaris acceptance. Just one example: In Germany KDE is the the de facto standard for the government open source desktop and the decision makers here feel SERIOUSLY PISSED OFF (apologies for the strong language, but this is how the people feel who are currently doing the MS-Windows-To-Linux transition in the German parliament) by Sun's attempt to sell them Gnome instead. Sun would be in a much better position if KDE would be an officially supported desktop choice - and as long as Sun does not offer it it will not get much more desktop installations in the German government (that's why Suse Linux got most of the cake). Other european contries also KDE as primiary desktop and I don't see how Solaris can get a better acceptance as long KDE is not supported. -- _ Felix Schulte _|_|_ mailto:felix.schulte at gmail.com (0 0) ooO--(_)--Ooo From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sun Dec 18 15:59:10 2005 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:59:10 +1300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> Hi, On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 00:09 +0100, Felix Schulte wrote: > On 12/18/05, Bill Rushmore wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:02, Gary Gendel wrote: > > > Anyway, Linus has just opened another can of worms that directly effects OpenSolaris and JDS. > > > > I really don't see how this effects JDS or OpenSolaris. It just one > > guy's opinion not some edict from above. > Sun's choice of only shipping Gnome has serious impact for the > (Open)Solaris acceptance. We don't just ship GNOME though - KDE is available on the CCD right? It's just not supported. [snip stuff about Germany that I don't really know enough about] > Other european contries also KDE as primiary desktop and I don't see > how Solaris can get a better acceptance as long KDE is not supported. Given the sheer amount of resources that we've already thrown into GNOME, I feel that it would be almost impossible to throw equal resources into KDE as well. Having 2 desktops really doesn't make any sense from a business point of view - goodness knows we already have *4* CD's already, which is way too many. If there's stuff about GNOME that isn't getting us deals [1] then we need to start tackling those issues and figuring out what we need to improve. However, if we have a package repository where someone could easily install a version of KDE then maybe we have some bargaining power. The Linux distros do seem to be standardizing around GNOME though Glynn [1] And trust me "It isn't KDE" isn't a valid reason From felix.schulte at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 16:27:32 2005 From: felix.schulte at gmail.com (Felix Schulte) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:27:32 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/05, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 00:09 +0100, Felix Schulte wrote: > > On 12/18/05, Bill Rushmore wrote: > > > On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:02, Gary Gendel wrote: > > > > Anyway, Linus has just opened another can of worms that directly effects OpenSolaris and JDS. > > > > > > I really don't see how this effects JDS or OpenSolaris. It just one > > > guy's opinion not some edict from above. > > Sun's choice of only shipping Gnome has serious impact for the > > (Open)Solaris acceptance. > > We don't just ship GNOME though - KDE is available on the CCD right? > It's just not supported. > > [snip stuff about Germany that I don't really know enough about] Similar issues already exist in Spain and France will follow soon. > > Other european contries also KDE as primiary desktop and I don't see > > how Solaris can get a better acceptance as long KDE is not supported. > > Given the sheer amount of resources that we've already thrown into > GNOME, I feel that it would be almost impossible to throw equal > resources into KDE as well. Having 2 desktops really doesn't make any > sense from a business point of view Having two desktops does not make sense for the customers - and KDE is the primary government desktop here. Support for KDE will be a requirement for further contracts as far as I can see from my POV. The European governments are looking into further ways to save costs and having the burden of a KDE desktop which is not supported will not generate bonus points when Sun tries to compete with other open source solutions here. Sun Germany will likely hit tendering procedures where KDE is a REQUIREMENT very soon and IMO there needs to be a solution for this problem ASAP as it will affect the sales on the whole European continent. -- _ Felix Schulte _|_|_ mailto:felix.schulte at gmail.com (0 0) ooO--(_)--Ooo From felix.schulte at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 17:21:23 2005 From: felix.schulte at gmail.com (Felix Schulte) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:21:23 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> Message-ID: <74f15d5f0512181721l73d4a7eauc9e1dd3a6bd474c4@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/05, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Felix Schulte wrote: > > Having two desktops does not make sense for the customers - and KDE is > > the primary government desktop here. Support for KDE will be a > > requirement for further contracts as far as I can see from my POV. The > > European governments are looking into further ways to save costs and > > having the burden of a KDE desktop which is not supported will not > > generate bonus points when Sun tries to compete with other open source > > solutions here. Sun Germany will likely hit tendering procedures where > > KDE is a REQUIREMENT very soon and IMO there needs to be a solution > > for this problem ASAP as it will affect the sales on the whole > > European continent. > > Why is the requirement KDE? Is the requirement for specific functionality > that GNOME doesn't offer? Or do they specify a desktop whose name is > spelled exactly "KDE"? I do not know the exact details. As far as I know its partially a political decision as KDE's main development body sits in Europe and Europe likes to focus on European developments. Another reason stated by the people who do the open source desktop transition for the German parliament on the LinuxTag this year was that Gnome is considered "inferior" compared to the functionality delivered with KDE after an eight month evaluation period (using Suse Linux as operating system). Spain had similar arguments, but for the exact reasons you may ask (ex-)Suse Hubert Mantel. -- _ Felix Schulte _|_|_ mailto:felix.schulte at gmail.com (0 0) ooO--(_)--Ooo From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sun Dec 18 17:50:26 2005 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:50:26 +1300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <74f15d5f0512181721l73d4a7eauc9e1dd3a6bd474c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> <74f15d5f0512181721l73d4a7eauc9e1dd3a6bd474c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1134957026.17460.51.camel@localhost> Hi, On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 02:21 +0100, Felix Schulte wrote: > I do not know the exact details. As far as I know its partially a > political decision as KDE's main development body sits in Europe and > Europe likes to focus on European developments. This is interesting, because in actual fact GNOME is pretty European focused in terms of development as well - http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/random/GnomeWorldWideHuge.jpg While the GNOME Foundation may be a non-profit US organization, it is only responsible for making sure the project has the resources it needs to be successful in the future. > Another reason stated > by the people who do the open source desktop transition for the German > parliament on the LinuxTag this year was that Gnome is considered > "inferior" compared to the functionality delivered with KDE after an > eight month evaluation period (using Suse Linux as operating system). > Spain had similar arguments, but for the exact reasons you may ask > (ex-)Suse Hubert Mantel. I suspect it's more likely to be the people pushing for the Linux deployments are KDE users. As you mention KDE is pretty popular in Germany [and maybe other places] - so much so that all the main Linux magazines over there really only concentrate on KDE articles. That may be where some of the bias comes from. I bet the first thing they do with the deployments is lock down most of the desktop, so that you can't see most of that 'superior' functionality. I've seen that in GNOME deployments before, and I imagine it's the same for KDE to make 'functionality' a somewhat moot point. Glynn From laurent at elanor.org Mon Dec 19 02:11:00 2005 From: laurent at elanor.org (Laurent Blume) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:11:00 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Grass Roots Sun Studio Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <43A343D8.6010000@cuddletech.com> References: <43A343D8.6010000@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <43A68734.9040203@elanor.org> Ben Rockwood wrote: > I love Sun Studio, but it isn't getting much love. We needed to save > Studio from a certain death and making the product free certainly does > that. Sun's done its part, now we, the community, need to push a bit. > Studio isn't really marketed and just needs some love and attention so > I'm starting a little grass-roots marketing campaign for Sun Studio 11. > The idea is to get people who use and love Studio to say so. Best and > easiest way to do that is to provide a web badge users can put on their > sites/blogs/etc. Check mine out in my blog (cuddletech.com/blog/). > > The image is here: http://www.cuddletech.com/img/choose_studio.png > > The messaging is simple and straight forward... I choose Sun Studio, you > can too. To avoid stepping on any copyright or trademarks I'm not using > Sun logos, just simple and clean, which I think also translate to > authentic. > > Good idea? Bad idea? Either way, I'm going forward with it. I'd love > to see people get on board as well and start using it. I believe it's a good idea, and I like the slogan, but black & white for the image is a bit, say, bare. Could Sun come out with a cool Studio logo, and banners to go with it, that could be used in the same way as OpenSolaris banners? I would love to see Studio used more, since it would help reduce the amount of GCC-only code around. Thanks for the idea! Laurent From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Dec 19 06:44:54 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:44:54 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> Glynn Foster wrote: >Hey, > >On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 13:43 -0800, Dan Price wrote: > > >>On Fri 16 Dec 2005 at 01:42PM, Glynn Foster wrote: >> >> >>>>...and hopefully we'll get a plan/process in place for a light evolution >>>>of the site to re-arrange some links, move things up more, etc. over the >>>>course of the next quarter. The key is keeping the site's recognition >>>>value high. We don't want to do redesigns that might inconvenience >>>>fellow surfers...and we don't want to mess up the front page too much >>>>because it will wreck bookmarks -- >>>> >>>> >>>I doubt too many people will be bookmarking the front page ;) >>> >>> >>Huh? There are 185 del.icio.us bookmarks to it alone. >> >> > >Hrm, ok, that did sound rather silly. I just wonder then if we've got >all these people bookmarking the front page, how regularly they are >coming back to it. Should the news section be more prominent? > I would say, Yes and it would also be cool to have one of the chicklets in the right hand column devoted to "WHAT'S NEW" because I get alot of inquiries that go;"I hit your site today and couldn't find anything new." Now, if these were lazy people I'd say, GO-on! But they are people who drive significant visibility to our community and cause. (Berlind, McMillan, Shankland, Vance, Coffee, Gardner...) I tell them to read the announcements section, but that doesn't always say what's new in the individual communities. > > > >>>I do think that we need a steady evolution of the front page though to >>>push the community off into different directions that are hot. It's all >>>about cheerleading, excitement and growing the community. How are we >>>going to get them back after their first browse - is it a sense of >>>technology, or community, or both? others? How do we get them back on a >>>regular basis...then the $1,000,000 question, how do we get them to >>>contribute? I think opensolaris.org has a powerful part to play in that. >>> >>> >>I agree that interesting art to thematically replace our "open" thingy >>would be great-- something to commemorate the ZFS launch, something for >>BrandZ, etc. But right now the only artist (AFAIK) we've had is >>Chandan, whose real job is engineering. So it seems a little unfair to >>draft him continuously. >> >> > >Ahh, yes...but there's potentially 1000's of graphic artists out there >to be able to do a similar job [1] - another avenue for community >contributions that don't necessarily involve code. > > >Glynn > >[1] With no discredit to Chandan - if he could be cloned that would be > great ;) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.coopersmith at sun.com Sun Dec 18 17:01:37 2005 From: alan.coopersmith at sun.com (Alan Coopersmith) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:01:37 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> Felix Schulte wrote: > Having two desktops does not make sense for the customers - and KDE is > the primary government desktop here. Support for KDE will be a > requirement for further contracts as far as I can see from my POV. The > European governments are looking into further ways to save costs and > having the burden of a KDE desktop which is not supported will not > generate bonus points when Sun tries to compete with other open source > solutions here. Sun Germany will likely hit tendering procedures where > KDE is a REQUIREMENT very soon and IMO there needs to be a solution > for this problem ASAP as it will affect the sales on the whole > European continent. Why is the requirement KDE? Is the requirement for specific functionality that GNOME doesn't offer? Or do they specify a desktop whose name is spelled exactly "KDE"? -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Casper.Dik at Sun.COM Mon Dec 19 01:08:33 2005 From: Casper.Dik at Sun.COM (Casper.Dik at Sun.COM) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:08:33 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> Message-ID: <200512190908.jBJ98aDk015919@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> >Felix Schulte wrote: >> Having two desktops does not make sense for the customers - and KDE is >> the primary government desktop here. Support for KDE will be a >> requirement for further contracts as far as I can see from my POV. The >> European governments are looking into further ways to save costs and >> having the burden of a KDE desktop which is not supported will not >> generate bonus points when Sun tries to compete with other open source >> solutions here. Sun Germany will likely hit tendering procedures where >> KDE is a REQUIREMENT very soon and IMO there needs to be a solution >> for this problem ASAP as it will affect the sales on the whole >> European continent. > >Why is the requirement KDE? Is the requirement for specific functionality >that GNOME doesn't offer? Or do they specify a desktop whose name is >spelled exactly "KDE"? That would appear to be on the wrong side of the law governing European tenders of any kind. Casper From Brian.Nitz at Sun.COM Mon Dec 19 04:59:55 2005 From: Brian.Nitz at Sun.COM (Brian Nitz) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:59:55 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <200512190908.jBJ98aDk015919@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> <200512190908.jBJ98aDk015919@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <43A6AECB.7080903@sun.com> Casper.Dik at Sun.COM wrote: >> Felix Schulte wrote: >> >>> Having two desktops does not make sense for the customers - and KDE is >>> the primary government desktop here. Support for KDE will be a >>> requirement for further contracts as far as I can see from my POV. The >>> European governments are looking into further ways to save costs and >>> having the burden of a KDE desktop which is not supported will not >>> generate bonus points when Sun tries to compete with other open source >>> solutions here. Sun Germany will likely hit tendering procedures where >>> KDE is a REQUIREMENT very soon and IMO there needs to be a solution >>> for this problem ASAP as it will affect the sales on the whole >>> European continent. >>> >> Why is the requirement KDE? Is the requirement for specific functionality >> that GNOME doesn't offer? Or do they specify a desktop whose name is >> spelled exactly "KDE"? >> > > > That would appear to be on the wrong side of the law governing European tenders > of any kind. > Exactly. Sole source tenders for publicly funded software projects are evil and in many cases illegal. It doesn't matter whether the RFP favors Microsoft, linux, a specific distribution or a specific desktop, it eventually transfers public tax money via a non-competitive process which favors monopolies. Alternative vendors and communities must become involved early in procurement in order to make the advantages of alternatives known. If I see a tender specifying "KDE" or "SuSE" for a new desktop project I would suggest more detail in the tender such as: - Accessibility (A11Y) support shall... - Internationalization Localization support (i18n/L10n) should be available for the following... - Documentation should be complete and available in (X) languages. I'm sure there are other areas where GNOME has an advantage over KDE. I hope Opensolaris distributions based on KDE, Looking glass and other open source desktops become available but if everyone played by the rules and followed proper procurement directives, GNOME would have a decent chance of winning government desktops. From stefan.teleman at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 05:26:15 2005 From: stefan.teleman at gmail.com (Stefan Teleman) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:26:15 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <43A6AECB.7080903@sun.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> <200512190908.jBJ98aDk015919@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> <43A6AECB.7080903@sun.com> Message-ID: <1ccb59a20512190526p144aaef7mfb66ea38d4c6587b@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/05, Brian Nitz wrote: > I'm sure there are other areas where GNOME has an advantage over KDE. For example PDF rendering. > I hope Opensolaris distributions based on KDE, Looking glass and other > open source desktops become available but if everyone played by the > rules and followed proper procurement directives, GNOME would have a > decent chance of winning government desktops. Are you actually trying to publicly suggest that GNOME/JDS has not succeeded because of unfair competitive practices by KDE e.V. ???????? Stefan Teleman -- Stefan Teleman stefan.teleman at gmail.com From james.d.carlson at sun.com Mon Dec 19 05:53:15 2005 From: james.d.carlson at sun.com (James Carlson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:53:15 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: Glynn Foster's message of 19 December 2005 12:59:10 References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <17318.47947.90293.893708@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Glynn Foster writes: > > Other european contries also KDE as primiary desktop and I don't see > > how Solaris can get a better acceptance as long KDE is not supported. > > Given the sheer amount of resources that we've already thrown into > GNOME, I feel that it would be almost impossible to throw equal > resources into KDE as well. Having 2 desktops really doesn't make any > sense from a business point of view - goodness knows we already have *4* > CD's already, which is way too many. If there's stuff about GNOME that > isn't getting us deals [1] then we need to start tackling those issues > and figuring out what we need to improve. That's actually not the big problem here. The big problem is the NxM matrix that adopting a new desktop causes. If we can't pick one "official" desktop, then every single application with any sort of user interface is forced to deliver (and test and support) N different sets of integration hooks, look-and-feel bits, and configuration mechanisms. The result is chaos: poor and uneven results when choosing different desktops (e.g., application A works fine with desktop X, and B with Y, but A doesn't work right on Y and B doesn't work on X), and fewer good products released because project teams are forced to waste time on multiple standards. I wouldn't count myself as a fan of GNOME -- I'm currently using twm with m4 to process my .twmrc because GNOME definitely doesn't meet my needs -- but I still think it'd be far worse to have more than one "official" answer here. (The issue with the German government and other buyers is something that ought to be escalated properly. If it's a real problem, it shouldn't just be left to fester.) -- James Carlson, KISS Network Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Brian.Nitz at Sun.COM Mon Dec 19 06:35:10 2005 From: Brian.Nitz at Sun.COM (Brian Nitz) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:35:10 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <1ccb59a20512190526p144aaef7mfb66ea38d4c6587b@mail.gmail.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> <200512190908.jBJ98aDk015919@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> <43A6AECB.7080903@sun.com> <1ccb59a20512190526p144aaef7mfb66ea38d4c6587b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A6C51E.2090608@sun.com> Stefan Teleman wrote: > On 12/19/05, Brian Nitz wrote: > > >> I'm sure there are other areas where GNOME has an advantage over KDE. >> > > For example PDF rendering. > > >> I hope Opensolaris distributions based on KDE, Looking glass and other >> open source desktops become available but if everyone played by the >> rules and followed proper procurement directives, GNOME would have a >> decent chance of winning government desktops. >> > > Are you actually trying to publicly suggest that GNOME/JDS has not > succeeded because of unfair competitive practices by KDE e.V. ??????? > I'm trying to publicly suggest that as long as 30-50% of what I earn and at least 20% what I spend goes to taxes, I expect that the public bodies responsible for spending those taxes does so in a fair and transparent manner. Public technology procurement decisions should be based on whether the proposal meets the requirements and serves the common good for the least cost. Desktop or distribution "religious" affinity should never come into consideration. > Stefan Teleman > > -- > Stefan Teleman > stefan.teleman at gmail.com > From Shantnu.Sharma at Sun.COM Mon Dec 19 07:05:38 2005 From: Shantnu.Sharma at Sun.COM (Shantnu Sharma) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:05:38 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A6CC42.4000708@sun.com> Felix, Thanks for the heads up and thanks for your participation in the open solaris community. I was wondering if you can point me to documentation which dwells upon the German Government's propensity to favor KDE. Best Regards Shantnu Felix Schulte wrote: > >Sun's choice of only shipping Gnome has serious impact for the >(Open)Solaris acceptance. >Just one example: In Germany KDE is the the de facto standard for the >government open source desktop and the decision makers here feel >SERIOUSLY PISSED OFF (apologies for the strong language, but this is >how the people feel who are currently doing the MS-Windows-To-Linux >transition in the German parliament) by Sun's attempt to sell them >Gnome instead. Sun would be in a much better position if KDE would be >an officially supported desktop choice - and as long as Sun does not >offer it it will not get much more desktop installations in the German >government (that's why Suse Linux got most of the cake). > >Other european contries also KDE as primiary desktop and I don't see >how Solaris can get a better acceptance as long KDE is not supported. >-- > _ Felix Schulte > _|_|_ mailto:felix.schulte at gmail.com > (0 0) >ooO--(_)--Ooo >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-discuss mailing list >opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org > > -- -------------------------- Shantnu Sharma Development Manager, Operating Platforms Group Burlington, MA Shantnu.Sharma at SUN.com 978.239.8154 Cell 781.442.2370 Work From schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Mon Dec 19 08:04:40 2005 From: schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:04:40 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A6DA18.nailFLA2ZTG7T@burner> Felix Schulte wrote: > Having two desktops does not make sense for the customers - and KDE is > the primary government desktop here. Support for KDE will be a > requirement for further contracts as far as I can see from my POV. The Why do you believe this? J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From laurent at elanor.org Mon Dec 19 12:46:53 2005 From: laurent at elanor.org (Laurent Blume) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:46:53 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Grass Roots Sun Studio Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <43A70EC0.3090602@sun.com> References: <43A343D8.6010000@cuddletech.com> <43A68734.9040203@elanor.org> <43A6EC51.80506@sun.com> <43A708F5.5020603@elanor.org> <43A70EC0.3090602@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A71C3D.1090101@elanor.org> Laura Ramsey wrote: > does it compile build 27+? I haven't built OpenSolaris myself, so I can't answer that one, though if Studio 10 does, 11 should as well. > Yes, I think we'd want to make sure this was a benchmark run by the Sun > team... But that would move the grass roots part out of the idea. There are already Sun-made numbers on spec.org, by Studio 11. And they're good. But nobody *really* trust those numbers on hardware and software finely tuned to make, well, big numbers. People have to check with their own application. And then, they can tell their friend how faster it is. Well, at least, they should be able to. > We'll get on that. Thanks! Laurent -- A hundred thousand lemmings can't be wrong! From laurent at elanor.org Mon Dec 19 11:24:37 2005 From: laurent at elanor.org (Laurent Blume) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:24:37 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Grass Roots Sun Studio Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <43A6EC51.80506@sun.com> References: <43A343D8.6010000@cuddletech.com> <43A68734.9040203@elanor.org> <43A6EC51.80506@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A708F5.5020603@elanor.org> Laura Ramsey wrote: > I love the idea, but want to make sure we are accurate...because Sun > Studio 11 isn't available for download from opensolaris.org (yet) and we > don't want to make anyone look "bad" because it's not there yet. But it *is* available from Sun already, even if not from opensolaris.org, so it's already out there. > Also, in addition to badges, and protestations of our love for > Studio...it would be GREAT to see some performance benchmarks. Studio 10 > drive over 30% system and application performance increases over Studio > 9 compilers. Maybe that is the next wave of content that would back up > your button campaign? I'm afraid The current license prohibits benchmark publication: 5.(f) You may not publish or provide the results of any benchmark or comparison tests run on Software to any third party without the prior written consent of Sun. Which is sad, because it *is* fast. So we love it, but are not allowed to say why :-) But if that bit (and maybe a few other, I didn't check carefully) of legalese can be removed, the better. Laurent -- A hundred thousand lemmings can't be wrong! From dp at eng.sun.com Tue Dec 20 01:56:12 2005 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:56:12 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> References: <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> Message-ID: <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> On Mon 19 Dec 2005 at 09:44AM, Laura Ramsey wrote: > > I would say, Yes and it would also be cool to have one of the > chicklets in the right hand column devoted to "WHAT'S NEW" because I > get alot of inquiries that go;"I hit your site today and couldn't find > anything new." Now, if these were lazy people I'd say, GO-on! But > they are people who drive significant visibility to our community and > cause. (Berlind, McMillan, Shankland, Vance, Coffee, Gardner...) I > tell them to read the announcements section, but that doesn't always > say what's new in the individual communities. Well, I guess I've never heard them called chicklets :). But the fundamental problem is a technology one-- not one of web design. Think of the current website design like a government form. Each page is the same, with only a little room to actually fill in content. There is not much ability to source in dynamic content-- RSS feeds, database queries, etc. The way we get dynamic content onto the front page at all is basically a hack-- think of it as gluing a piece of paper with the dynamic content onto the bottom of the form. We have long imagined a site with dynamic content everywhere, through the use of something like Apache Jakarta "Velocity" macros (see http://jakarta.apache.org), which is what Roller (the blogs.sun.com software) uses as its engine. However, we don't have the capability today. I know that Stephen and his team are aware that this problem is acute (we've known this for 12 months), and that remedies are being researched. In the event that the website team can't suggest something in the short term, I suggest a non-technology remedy: someone with good writing and technical skills should post an OpenSolaris newsletter once a week/fortnight/month by blog, web and email summarizing what has happened in the community in that interval. Perhaps the newsletter should go to the -announce alias. Then the marketing team can work to make sure that various thought leaders are signed up to receive that push of information... -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From dp at eng.sun.com Tue Dec 20 02:24:19 2005 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:24:19 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> References: <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20051220102418.GB21794@eng.sun.com> On Sat 17 Dec 2005 at 11:53PM, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 13:43 -0800, Dan Price wrote: > > On Fri 16 Dec 2005 at 01:42PM, Glynn Foster wrote: > > > > ...and hopefully we'll get a plan/process in place for a light evolution > > > > of the site to re-arrange some links, move things up more, etc. over the > > > > course of the next quarter. The key is keeping the site's recognition > > > > value high. We don't want to do redesigns that might inconvenience > > > > fellow surfers...and we don't want to mess up the front page too much > > > > because it will wreck bookmarks -- > > > > > > I doubt too many people will be bookmarking the front page ;) > > > > Huh? There are 185 del.icio.us bookmarks to it alone. > > Hrm, ok, that did sound rather silly. I just wonder then if we've got > all these people bookmarking the front page, how regularly they are > coming back to it. Should the news section be more prominent? It makes sense to let the numbers speak for themselves. Here they are. All of these are from the month of December: "Entry Pages" to the site as a whole-- in other words, where did people come in to? Visits % 1. opensolaris:/os/ 37,127 33.6% 2. opensolaris:/jive/thread.jspa 11,143 10.1% 3. opensolaris:/os/community/brandz/ 3,568 3.2% 4. opensolaris:/os/downloads/ 3,292 3.0% "Single Page Visits" (i.e.: missed opportunities for more clicks) Visits % 1. opensolaris:/os/ 12,060 19.6% 2. opensolaris:/jive/thread.jspa 9,391 15.3% 3. opensolaris:/os/article/2005-10-14_a_comparison_of_solaris__linux__and_freebsd_kernels/ 2,982 4.9% 4. opensolaris:/os/community/brandz/ 2,508 4.1% 5. opensolaris:/bugdatabase/view_bug.do 2,166 3.5% 6. opensolaris:/os/downloads/ 2,144 3.5% 7. opensolaris:/os/blogs/ 1,233 2.0% "ClickMap" for Home page-- in other words, what did people click on the home page? Link URL Instances % 1. www.opensolaris.org/os/announcements 1,597 3.7% 2. cvs.opensolaris.org/source 1,586 3.7% 3. www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads 1,479 3.4% 4. Search Form Submit 1,395 3.2% 5. www.opensolaris.org/os/about 982 2.3% 6. www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp 794 1.8% 7. www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ 743 1.7% 8. www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads 493 1.1% 9. opensolaris.org/os/announcements 465 1.1% 10. cvs.opensolaris.org 452 1.0% > Ahh, yes...but there's potentially 1000's of graphic artists out there > to be able to do a similar job [1] - another avenue for community > contributions that don't necessarily involve code. I fully agree, but we'd really need a site editor to drive a process of continuous evolution. As best I know, we don't have one at this time. -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Dec 19 11:49:20 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:49:20 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Grass Roots Sun Studio Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <43A708F5.5020603@elanor.org> References: <43A343D8.6010000@cuddletech.com> <43A68734.9040203@elanor.org> <43A6EC51.80506@sun.com> <43A708F5.5020603@elanor.org> Message-ID: <43A70EC0.3090602@sun.com> Laurent Blume wrote: >Laura Ramsey wrote: > > >>I love the idea, but want to make sure we are accurate...because Sun >>Studio 11 isn't available for download from opensolaris.org (yet) and we >>don't want to make anyone look "bad" because it's not there yet. >> >> > >But it *is* available from Sun already, even if not from opensolaris.org, so >it's already out there. > does it compile build 27+? > > > >>Also, in addition to badges, and protestations of our love for >>Studio...it would be GREAT to see some performance benchmarks. Studio 10 >>drive over 30% system and application performance increases over Studio >>9 compilers. Maybe that is the next wave of content that would back up >>your button campaign? >> >> > >I'm afraid The current license prohibits benchmark publication: > >5.(f) You may not publish or provide the results of any >benchmark or comparison tests run on Software to any third party >without the prior written consent of Sun. > Yes, I think we'd want to make sure this was a benchmark run by the Sun team... > >Which is sad, because it *is* fast. So we love it, but are not allowed to say >why :-) > We'll get on that. > >But if that bit (and maybe a few other, I didn't check carefully) of legalese >can be removed, the better. > >Laurent > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glynn.Foster at sun.com Mon Dec 19 08:47:57 2005 From: Glynn.Foster at sun.com (Glynn Foster) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:47:57 +1300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <43A6AECB.7080903@sun.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <1134950350.17460.26.camel@localhost> <74f15d5f0512181627x57fe182ay7ba49fb5a53357e1@mail.gmail.com> <43A60671.4040701@sun.com> <200512190908.jBJ98aDk015919@vaticaan.Holland.Sun.COM> <43A6AECB.7080903@sun.com> Message-ID: <1135010877.900.2.camel@localhost> Hey, On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:59 +0000, Brian Nitz wrote: > I'm sure there are other areas where GNOME has an advantage over KDE. I > hope Opensolaris distributions based on KDE, Looking glass and other > open source desktops become available but if everyone played by the > rules and followed proper procurement directives, GNOME would have a > decent chance of winning government desktops. Just so that everyone knows, I'm totally keen for people to take on sub-communities under the main Desktop Community umbrella - I know there's a set of KDE pages coming at some stage, and the Looking Glass dudes are working on their own set of pages. If there are any other Desktop Communities out there, I'd love to hear from them and feature them on opensolaris.org [1] Glynn [1] We may need to rethink the the differences between Project and Community a little bit - I'm not sure of the overlap myself and how best to manage it. From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Dec 20 04:22:13 2005 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:22:13 +1100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <1135081333.2318.4.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 01:56 -0800, Dan Price wrote: > In the event that the website team can't suggest something in the > short term, I suggest a non-technology remedy: someone with good writing > and technical skills should post an OpenSolaris newsletter once a > week/fortnight/month by blog, web and email summarizing what has > happened in the community in that interval. Perhaps the newsletter > should go to the -announce alias. Then the marketing team can work to > make sure that various thought leaders are signed up to receive that > push of information... Ooh Ooh Ooh! opensolaris-traffic! ;) [That would be fantastic FWIW, and would give everyone a chance to catch up with the latest across all projects and not necessarily needing to monitor all aliases] Glynn From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue Dec 20 05:56:25 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:56:25 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <1135081333.2318.4.camel@localhost> References: <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <1135081333.2318.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43A80D89.3020501@sun.com> Well, that's a great idea. One that had occurred--we distributed community highlights to several aliases on Dec 1...and the AI was to "rework" them for public comsumption and put on the marketing page. (sara didn't have a chance to post them,--given her travel schedule over the last 2 weeks.) LKR Glynn Foster wrote: >On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 01:56 -0800, Dan Price wrote: > > >>In the event that the website team can't suggest something in the >>short term, I suggest a non-technology remedy: someone with good writing >>and technical skills should post an OpenSolaris newsletter once a >>week/fortnight/month by blog, web and email summarizing what has >>happened in the community in that interval. Perhaps the newsletter >>should go to the -announce alias. Then the marketing team can work to >>make sure that various thought leaders are signed up to receive that >>push of information... >> >> > >Ooh Ooh Ooh! opensolaris-traffic! ;) > >[That would be fantastic FWIW, and would give everyone a chance to catch >up with the latest across all projects and not necessarily needing to >monitor all aliases] > >Glynn > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Dec 20 18:49:42 2005 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:49:42 +1100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A80D89.3020501@sun.com> References: <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <1135081333.2318.4.camel@localhost> <43A80D89.3020501@sun.com> Message-ID: <1135133382.3507.20.camel@localhost> Hey, On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 08:56 -0500, Laura Ramsey wrote: > > Well, that's a great idea. One that had occurred--we distributed > community highlights to several aliases on Dec 1...and the AI was to > "rework" them for public comsumption and put on the marketing page. > (sara didn't have a chance to post them,--given her travel schedule > over the last 2 weeks.) I quite like Debian's weekly news that they put together http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2005/msg00000.html as an example. It's not clear they need to be driven through marketing through. I think it would be an ideal task for someone to pick up, and gather content from the different opensolaris communities [including marketing]. Glynn From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Tue Dec 20 10:25:38 2005 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:25:38 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> Hi Dan - Are you suggesting a newsletter to replace the monthly newsletter being sent out now? Or changes/additions to the current monthly newsletter? Thanks. Bonnie Dan Price wrote On 12/20/05 02:56,: > On Mon 19 Dec 2005 at 09:44AM, Laura Ramsey wrote: > >>I would say, Yes and it would also be cool to have one of the >>chicklets in the right hand column devoted to "WHAT'S NEW" because I >>get alot of inquiries that go;"I hit your site today and couldn't find >>anything new." Now, if these were lazy people I'd say, GO-on! But >>they are people who drive significant visibility to our community and >>cause. (Berlind, McMillan, Shankland, Vance, Coffee, Gardner...) I >>tell them to read the announcements section, but that doesn't always >>say what's new in the individual communities. > > > Well, I guess I've never heard them called chicklets :). But the > fundamental problem is a technology one-- not one of web design. Think > of the current website design like a government form. Each page is the > same, with only a little room to actually fill in content. There is not > much ability to source in dynamic content-- RSS feeds, database queries, > etc. The way we get dynamic content onto the front page at all is > basically a hack-- think of it as gluing a piece of paper with the > dynamic content onto the bottom of the form. > > We have long imagined a site with dynamic content everywhere, through > the use of something like Apache Jakarta "Velocity" macros (see > http://jakarta.apache.org), which is what Roller (the blogs.sun.com > software) uses as its engine. However, we don't have the capability > today. I know that Stephen and his team are aware that this problem is > acute (we've known this for 12 months), and that remedies are being > researched. > > In the event that the website team can't suggest something in the > short term, I suggest a non-technology remedy: someone with good writing > and technical skills should post an OpenSolaris newsletter once a > week/fortnight/month by blog, web and email summarizing what has > happened in the community in that interval. Perhaps the newsletter > should go to the -announce alias. Then the marketing team can work to > make sure that various thought leaders are signed up to receive that > push of information... > > -dp > From dp at eng.sun.com Wed Dec 21 01:22:36 2005 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:22:36 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> References: <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> On Tue 20 Dec 2005 at 11:25AM, Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Hi Dan - > > Are you suggesting a newsletter to replace the monthly newsletter being > sent out now? Or changes/additions to the current monthly newsletter? I think the pteam can decide that; is the pteam newsletter satisfying the need expressed by marketing here? Is it designed to? After some searching I see that it is being posted to the pteam alias, but (I may be mistaken) no place else. Who of the influencers marketing mentioned reads the pteam alias? As a metric, November's newsletter had 41 views on the website as of this evening. The newsletter also comes out badly mangled by the jive forums: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4150&tstart=0 I'll add to what Laura said that we need to write something exciting-- not provide status lists. Think Zagat, lkml.org, slashdot, boingboing.net, flavorpill.net. Don't just tell what happened (or will)-- tell people why it matters. On months with high activity, I'd expect a good newsletter to wind up on osnews.com and other sites. -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Dec 19 09:22:25 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:22:25 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Grass Roots Sun Studio Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <43A68734.9040203@elanor.org> References: <43A343D8.6010000@cuddletech.com> <43A68734.9040203@elanor.org> Message-ID: <43A6EC51.80506@sun.com> I love the idea, but want to make sure we are accurate...because Sun Studio 11 isn't available for download from opensolaris.org (yet) and we don't want to make anyone look "bad" because it's not there yet. Also, in addition to badges, and protestations of our love for Studio...it would be GREAT to see some performance benchmarks. Studio 10 drive over 30% system and application performance increases over Studio 9 compilers. Maybe that is the next wave of content that would back up your button campaign? LKR Laurent Blume wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> I love Sun Studio, but it isn't getting much love. We needed to save >> Studio from a certain death and making the product free certainly >> does that. Sun's done its part, now we, the community, need to push >> a bit. Studio isn't really marketed and just needs some love and >> attention so I'm starting a little grass-roots marketing campaign for >> Sun Studio 11. The idea is to get people who use and love Studio to >> say so. Best and easiest way to do that is to provide a web badge >> users can put on their sites/blogs/etc. Check mine out in my blog >> (cuddletech.com/blog/). >> >> The image is here: http://www.cuddletech.com/img/choose_studio.png >> >> The messaging is simple and straight forward... I choose Sun Studio, >> you can too. To avoid stepping on any copyright or trademarks I'm >> not using Sun logos, just simple and clean, which I think also >> translate to authentic. >> >> Good idea? Bad idea? Either way, I'm going forward with it. I'd >> love to see people get on board as well and start using it. > > > I believe it's a good idea, and I like the slogan, but black & white > for the image is a bit, say, bare. > > Could Sun come out with a cool Studio logo, and banners to go with it, > that could be used in the same way as OpenSolaris banners? > > I would love to see Studio used more, since it would help reduce the > amount of GCC-only code around. > > Thanks for the idea! > > Laurent > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Dec 19 09:35:10 2005 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:35:10 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Grass Roots Sun Studio Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <43A68734.9040203@elanor.org> References: <43A343D8.6010000@cuddletech.com> <43A68734.9040203@elanor.org> Message-ID: <43A6EF4E.3070706@sun.com> Marketing police..... below. Laurent Blume wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> I love Sun Studio, but it isn't getting much love. We needed to save >> Studio from a certain death and making the product free certainly >> does that. Sun's done its part, now we, the community, need to push >> a bit. Studio isn't really marketed and just needs some love and >> attention so I'm starting a little grass-roots marketing campaign for >> Sun Studio 11. The idea is to get people who use and love Studio to >> say so. Best and easiest way to do that is to provide a web badge >> users can put on their sites/blogs/etc. Check mine out in my blog >> (cuddletech.com/blog/). > I love your enthusiasm Ben. And that you love Studio. It's great. >> >> >> The image is here: http://www.cuddletech.com/img/choose_studio.png > You haven't quite gotten around the legal stuff, since you are still using a Sun TM. I think the slogan and intent are in good though. >> >> >> The messaging is simple and straight forward... I choose Sun Studio, >> you can too. To avoid stepping on any copyright or trademarks I'm >> not using Sun logos, just simple and clean, which I think also >> translate to authentic. >> >> Good idea? Bad idea? Either way, I'm going forward with it. I'd >> love to see people get on board as well and start using it. > Good idea.. The way I think we should do this is to open up a discussion (preferably with some Studio folks involved) before executing on it. >> > > I believe it's a good idea, and I like the slogan, but black & white > for the image is a bit, say, bare. > > Could Sun come out with a cool Studio logo, and banners to go with it, > that could be used in the same way as OpenSolaris banners? That's up to the Studio marketing people. > > > I would love to see Studio used more, since it would help reduce the > amount of GCC-only code around. > > Thanks for the idea! > > Laurent > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Dec 19 09:40:21 2005 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:40:21 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Grass Roots Sun Studio Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <43A6EC51.80506@sun.com> References: <43A343D8.6010000@cuddletech.com> <43A68734.9040203@elanor.org> <43A6EC51.80506@sun.com> Message-ID: <43A6F085.5040000@sun.com> resending--email is bouncing... ;) Laura Ramsey wrote: > > I love the idea, but want to make sure we are accurate...because Sun > Studio 11 isn't available for download from opensolaris.org (yet) and > we don't want to make anyone look "bad" because it's not there yet. > > Also, in addition to badges, and protestations of our love for > Studio...it would be GREAT to see some performance benchmarks. Studio > 10 drive over 30% system and application performance increases over > Studio 9 compilers. Maybe that is the next wave of content that would > back up your button campaign? > > LKR > > > Laurent Blume wrote: > >> Ben Rockwood wrote: >> >>> I love Sun Studio, but it isn't getting much love. We needed to >>> save Studio from a certain death and making the product free >>> certainly does that. Sun's done its part, now we, the community, >>> need to push a bit. Studio isn't really marketed and just needs >>> some love and attention so I'm starting a little grass-roots >>> marketing campaign for Sun Studio 11. The idea is to get people who >>> use and love Studio to say so. Best and easiest way to do that is >>> to provide a web badge users can put on their sites/blogs/etc. >>> Check mine out in my blog (cuddletech.com/blog/). >>> >>> The image is here: http://www.cuddletech.com/img/choose_studio.png >>> >>> The messaging is simple and straight forward... I choose Sun Studio, >>> you can too. To avoid stepping on any copyright or trademarks I'm >>> not using Sun logos, just simple and clean, which I think also >>> translate to authentic. >>> >>> Good idea? Bad idea? Either way, I'm going forward with it. I'd >>> love to see people get on board as well and start using it. >> >> >> >> I believe it's a good idea, and I like the slogan, but black & white >> for the image is a bit, say, bare. >> >> Could Sun come out with a cool Studio logo, and banners to go with >> it, that could be used in the same way as OpenSolaris banners? >> >> I would love to see Studio used more, since it would help reduce the >> amount of GCC-only code around. >> >> Thanks for the idea! >> >> Laurent >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > From Sara.Dornsife at sun.com Mon Dec 19 13:54:16 2005 From: Sara.Dornsife at sun.com (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:54:16 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> References: <20051214224335.GA17244@eng.sun.com> <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43A72C08.9020500@sun.com> >Ahh, yes...but there's potentially 1000's of graphic artists out there >to be able to do a similar job [1] - another avenue for community >contributions that don't necessarily involve code. > Do we have any other voluntary artists out there? > > >Glynn > >[1] With no discredit to Chandan - if he could be cloned that would be > great ;) > >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Dec 23 11:20:11 2005 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:20:11 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Monthly Highlights posted on Marketing Community page Message-ID: <43AC4DEB.7010006@sun.com> You can see an overview of marketing activities posted each month on the marketing community page (http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/highlights/). So far, we have November and December posted and will continue to let you know what we are doing every month. If you've been out there doing your own evangelism, please let me know. I'll add that to our highlighhts. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, etc. Sara From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri Dec 30 08:45:01 2005 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:45:01 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics Message-ID: <20ad19208dd6.208dd620ad19@orb-mail1.holland.sun.com> All, A festive updated community metrics report is available here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/latest/ a happy new year to all, Patrick