From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon Jan 2 16:57:44 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:57:44 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> References: <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43B9CC08.2080304@sun.com> Dan Price wrote: > On Tue 20 Dec 2005 at 11:25AM, Bonnie Corwin wrote: > >>Hi Dan - >> >>Are you suggesting a newsletter to replace the monthly newsletter being >>sent out now? Or changes/additions to the current monthly newsletter? > > > I think the pteam can decide that; is the pteam newsletter satisfying > the need expressed by marketing here? Is it designed to? After some > searching I see that it is being posted to the pteam alias, but (I may > be mistaken) no place else. Who of the influencers marketing mentioned > reads the pteam alias? As a metric, November's newsletter had 41 views > on the website as of this evening. The newsletter also comes out badly > mangled by the jive forums: > > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4150&tstart=0 > > I'll add to what Laura said that we need to write something exciting-- > not provide status lists. Think Zagat, lkml.org, slashdot, > boingboing.net, flavorpill.net. Don't just tell what happened (or > will)-- tell people why it matters. On months with high activity, I'd > expect a good newsletter to wind up on osnews.com and other sites. I think some of us would love to see the p-team newsletter grow in scope and depth to reflect the entire program (engineering, community, marketing, whatever). In other words, a top level report packed with data that touches every aspect of the OpenSolaris program just deeply enough to engage people but not overload or distract them. We'd all contribute to that newsletter and pool/share our data so we can leverage each other's efforts, and then we can (if we need to) produce derivative reports from it for our specific audiences. We have to decide what we want to track and contribute to this pool though, so we can all benefit. What we have now is several disparate reports (some internal, some external) that are not necessarily planned in context with each other and it's confusing. I think Linda is doing a good job getting the p-team newsletter off the ground, but we all have to feed her the right bits to put it together. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon Jan 2 16:58:57 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:58:57 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> References: <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> > I think the pteam can decide that; is the pteam newsletter satisfying > the need expressed by marketing here? Is it designed to? After some > searching I see that it is being posted to the pteam alias, but (I may > be mistaken) no place else. Who of the influencers marketing mentioned > reads the pteam alias? As a metric, November's newsletter had 41 views > on the website as of this evening. The newsletter also comes out badly > mangled by the jive forums: > > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4150&tstart=0 Yep. We should use just plain text for this in the future. Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon Jan 2 17:18:25 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:18:25 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20051220102418.GB21794@eng.sun.com> References: <20051214231035.GH185111@eng.sun.com> <20051214235602.GA17327@eng.sun.com> <20051215002130.GB185412@eng.sun.com> <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <20051220102418.GB21794@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43B9D0E1.2060007@sun.com> Dan Price wrote: > On Sat 17 Dec 2005 at 11:53PM, Glynn Foster wrote: >>Ahh, yes...but there's potentially 1000's of graphic artists out there >>to be able to do a similar job [1] - another avenue for community >>contributions that don't necessarily involve code. > > I fully agree, but we'd really need a site editor to drive a process > of continuous evolution. As best I know, we don't have one at this > time. I totally agree, Dan. And I'd go further, too. Eventually, we'll need an editorial team to generate and manage the flow of content on the site, especially since our stated goal is to have a dynamic site that engages multiple audiences as the community grows and diversifies. That simply will not happen without an independent editorial team (perhaps one made up of an external vendor specializing in technical website editorial production in collaboration with non-Sun community members, Sun engineers, and marketing community members. This was proposed several times. I'm happy to revive it again if people are interested. One thing, though: It's not marketing. It's not engineering. It's not docs. It's general editorial content -- feature articles, profiles, blog highlights, technical articles, Q&As, podcast interviews, commentaries, newsletters, special guest pieces, debates, etc -- that cuts across all functions and highlights what is going on in the community. It could be pretty cool. In the meantime, I vote for some collaboration around the p-team newsletter. :) Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon Jan 2 17:59:31 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:59:31 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> References: <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> Message-ID: <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> Check out the highlights posted in the marketing community. This is evolving into a solid newsletter--november version had some kinks but december version seems to have more traction. It purposely focuses on community building aspects--and has that tone purposely. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/highlights/december/ Thoughts? LKR Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> I think the pteam can decide that; is the pteam newsletter satisfying >> the need expressed by marketing here? Is it designed to? After some >> searching I see that it is being posted to the pteam alias, but (I may >> be mistaken) no place else. Who of the influencers marketing mentioned >> reads the pteam alias? As a metric, November's newsletter had 41 views >> on the website as of this evening. The newsletter also comes out badly >> mangled by the jive forums: >> >> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4150&tstart=0 > > > > Yep. We should use just plain text for this in the future. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Jan 2 18:17:57 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:17:57 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43B9CC08.2080304@sun.com> References: <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC08.2080304@sun.com> Message-ID: <43B9DED5.3070409@sun.com> Thanks Clayton Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Dan Price wrote: > >> On Tue 20 Dec 2005 at 11:25AM, Bonnie Corwin wrote: >> >>> Hi Dan - >>> >>> Are you suggesting a newsletter to replace the monthly newsletter being >>> sent out now? Or changes/additions to the current monthly newsletter? >> >> >> >> I think the pteam can decide that; is the pteam newsletter satisfying >> the need expressed by marketing here? Is it designed to? After some >> searching I see that it is being posted to the pteam alias, but (I may >> be mistaken) no place else. Who of the influencers marketing mentioned >> reads the pteam alias? As a metric, November's newsletter had 41 views >> on the website as of this evening. The newsletter also comes out badly >> mangled by the jive forums: >> >> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4150&tstart=0 >> >> I'll add to what Laura said that we need to write something exciting-- >> not provide status lists. Think Zagat, lkml.org, slashdot, >> boingboing.net, flavorpill.net. Don't just tell what happened (or >> will)-- tell people why it matters. On months with high activity, I'd >> expect a good newsletter to wind up on osnews.com and other sites. > > > I think some of us would love to see the p-team newsletter grow in > scope and depth to reflect the entire program (engineering, community, > marketing, whatever). In other words, a top level report packed with > data that touches every aspect of the OpenSolaris program just deeply > enough to engage people but not overload or distract them. We'd all > contribute to that newsletter and pool/share our data so we can > leverage each other's efforts, and then we can (if we need to) produce > derivative reports from it for our specific audiences. We have to > decide what we want to track and contribute to this pool though, so we > can all benefit. What we have now is several disparate reports (some > internal, some external) that are not necessarily planned in context > with each other and it's confusing. I think Linda is doing a good job > getting the p-team newsletter off the ground, but we all have to feed > her the right bits to put it together. > > Jim > -- > Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From dp at eng.sun.com Mon Jan 2 18:49:30 2006 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:49:30 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> References: <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> On Mon 02 Jan 2006 at 08:59PM, Laura Ramsey wrote: > > Check out the highlights posted in the marketing community. This is > evolving into a solid newsletter--november version had some kinks but > december version seems to have more traction. It purposely focuses on > community building aspects--and has that tone purposely. > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/highlights/december/ > > Thoughts? Well, there's surely an audience for whom this newsletter is interesting; as a technologist, I can say that I'm not a member of that set of people... the newsletter is quite dense and is really a summary of marketing activities. As a suggestion for the future, add more links: "OpenSolaris marketing participated in the Gartner Open Source Summit in Orlando, Florida" could be: "---OpenSolaris marketing--- participated in the ---Gartner Open Source Summit--- in Orlando, Florida." (And of course put links to the appropriate photo streams on flickr...) Same for people, too-- link to them if they have blogs or pages; the best web newsletters let you swim around in the specific context of the content which they discuss. So I guess that I agree with Jim-- there needs to be a culling and "value add" process which stitches together multiple sources of information: marketing, development, press, etc. (Maybe I should take a cut at what I have in mind. I don't know if I have the time). -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Jan 2 23:22:29 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:22:29 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43B9DED5.3070409@sun.com> References: <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC08.2080304@sun.com> <43B9DED5.3070409@sun.com> Message-ID: <43BA2635.3090105@sun.com> Sorry, I clicked and responded to the wrong mail, obviously. I was thanking Clayton at the ad agency for the ad resizing they did for a show guide. Sara Sara Dornsife wrote: > Thanks Clayton > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> Dan Price wrote: >> >>> On Tue 20 Dec 2005 at 11:25AM, Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dan - >>>> >>>> Are you suggesting a newsletter to replace the monthly newsletter >>>> being >>>> sent out now? Or changes/additions to the current monthly newsletter? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I think the pteam can decide that; is the pteam newsletter satisfying >>> the need expressed by marketing here? Is it designed to? After some >>> searching I see that it is being posted to the pteam alias, but (I may >>> be mistaken) no place else. Who of the influencers marketing mentioned >>> reads the pteam alias? As a metric, November's newsletter had 41 views >>> on the website as of this evening. The newsletter also comes out badly >>> mangled by the jive forums: >>> >>> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4150&tstart=0 >>> >>> I'll add to what Laura said that we need to write something exciting-- >>> not provide status lists. Think Zagat, lkml.org, slashdot, >>> boingboing.net, flavorpill.net. Don't just tell what happened (or >>> will)-- tell people why it matters. On months with high activity, I'd >>> expect a good newsletter to wind up on osnews.com and other sites. >> >> >> >> I think some of us would love to see the p-team newsletter grow in >> scope and depth to reflect the entire program (engineering, >> community, marketing, whatever). In other words, a top level report >> packed with data that touches every aspect of the OpenSolaris program >> just deeply enough to engage people but not overload or distract >> them. We'd all contribute to that newsletter and pool/share our data >> so we can leverage each other's efforts, and then we can (if we need >> to) produce derivative reports from it for our specific audiences. We >> have to decide what we want to track and contribute to this pool >> though, so we can all benefit. What we have now is several disparate >> reports (some internal, some external) that are not necessarily >> planned in context with each other and it's confusing. I think Linda >> is doing a good job getting the p-team newsletter off the ground, but >> we all have to feed her the right bits to put it together. >> >> Jim >> -- >> Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris >> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue Jan 3 06:15:07 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:15:07 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> References: <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43BA86EB.4060300@sun.com> Yes, these highlights are definitely more marketing oriented and the report is designed for reporting up to Anil Gadre...sooo... I think the newletter that openoffice publishes is along the lines you're suggesting...It's not rocket science, but it does require *time* and dedication. A badly writtten newsletter is worse than no newsletter at all. I like the idea, but unless we have a dedicated *and qualified* person to produce it, we're flirting with danger. Also, good to keep in mind that Sun has just consolidated several newsletters... This might not apply to OpenSolaris.org/news (ohh, I like that name...) but it does certainly open an opportunity for us because they just "consolidated" [read: EOL'd] the Solaris Developer newsletter. It's now "incorporated" into the SDN newsletter through links. So there's a readership of approx 3,000 readers that subscribed to that newsletter that could conceivably be interested in this content, if well produced. Something to consider, and not too lightly! LKR Dan Price wrote: >On Mon 02 Jan 2006 at 08:59PM, Laura Ramsey wrote: > > >>Check out the highlights posted in the marketing community. This is >>evolving into a solid newsletter--november version had some kinks but >>december version seems to have more traction. It purposely focuses on >>community building aspects--and has that tone purposely. >> >>http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/highlights/december/ >> >>Thoughts? >> >> > >Well, there's surely an audience for whom this newsletter is >interesting; as a technologist, I can say that I'm not a member of >that set of people... the newsletter is quite dense and is really >a summary of marketing activities. > >As a suggestion for the future, add more links: > > "OpenSolaris marketing participated in the Gartner Open Source Summit in > Orlando, Florida" > >could be: > "---OpenSolaris marketing--- participated in the ---Gartner > Open Source Summit--- in Orlando, Florida." > >(And of course put links to the appropriate photo streams on flickr...) > >Same for people, too-- link to them if they have blogs or pages; the >best web newsletters let you swim around in the specific context of the >content which they discuss. > >So I guess that I agree with Jim-- there needs to be a culling and >"value add" process which stitches together multiple sources of >information: marketing, development, press, etc. > >(Maybe I should take a cut at what I have in mind. I don't know >if I have the time). > > -dp > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue Jan 3 06:17:12 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:17:12 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43BA2635.3090105@sun.com> References: <20051215021107.GA17673@eng.sun.com> <43A0D878.4040404@Sun.COM> <43A11ED6.7070500@sun.com> <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC08.2080304@sun.com> <43B9DED5.3070409@sun.com> <43BA2635.3090105@sun.com> Message-ID: <43BA8768.7060608@sun.com> only got 9 inches of snow... ;) LKR Sara Dornsife wrote: > Sorry, I clicked and responded to the wrong mail, obviously. I was > thanking Clayton at the ad agency for the ad resizing they did for a > show guide. > Sara > > Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Thanks Clayton >> >> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> >>> Dan Price wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue 20 Dec 2005 at 11:25AM, Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Dan - >>>>> >>>>> Are you suggesting a newsletter to replace the monthly newsletter >>>>> being >>>>> sent out now? Or changes/additions to the current monthly >>>>> newsletter? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think the pteam can decide that; is the pteam newsletter satisfying >>>> the need expressed by marketing here? Is it designed to? After some >>>> searching I see that it is being posted to the pteam alias, but (I may >>>> be mistaken) no place else. Who of the influencers marketing >>>> mentioned >>>> reads the pteam alias? As a metric, November's newsletter had 41 >>>> views >>>> on the website as of this evening. The newsletter also comes out >>>> badly >>>> mangled by the jive forums: >>>> >>>> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=4150&tstart=0 >>>> >>>> I'll add to what Laura said that we need to write something exciting-- >>>> not provide status lists. Think Zagat, lkml.org, slashdot, >>>> boingboing.net, flavorpill.net. Don't just tell what happened (or >>>> will)-- tell people why it matters. On months with high activity, I'd >>>> expect a good newsletter to wind up on osnews.com and other sites. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I think some of us would love to see the p-team newsletter grow in >>> scope and depth to reflect the entire program (engineering, >>> community, marketing, whatever). In other words, a top level report >>> packed with data that touches every aspect of the OpenSolaris >>> program just deeply enough to engage people but not overload or >>> distract them. We'd all contribute to that newsletter and pool/share >>> our data so we can leverage each other's efforts, and then we can >>> (if we need to) produce derivative reports from it for our specific >>> audiences. We have to decide what we want to track and contribute to >>> this pool though, so we can all benefit. What we have now is several >>> disparate reports (some internal, some external) that are not >>> necessarily planned in context with each other and it's confusing. I >>> think Linda is doing a good job getting the p-team newsletter off >>> the ground, but we all have to feed her the right bits to put it >>> together. >>> >>> Jim >>> -- >>> Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris >>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Tue Jan 3 15:17:16 2006 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:17:16 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> References: <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <43BB05FC.2040905@Sun.COM> Dan Price wrote: >On Mon 02 Jan 2006 at 08:59PM, Laura Ramsey wrote: > > >>Check out the highlights posted in the marketing community. This is >>evolving into a solid newsletter--november version had some kinks but >>december version seems to have more traction. It purposely focuses on >>community building aspects--and has that tone purposely. >> >>http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/highlights/december/ >> >>Thoughts? >> >> > >Well, there's surely an audience for whom this newsletter is >interesting; as a technologist, I can say that I'm not a member of >that set of people... the newsletter is quite dense and is really >a summary of marketing activities. > >As a suggestion for the future, add more links: > > "OpenSolaris marketing participated in the Gartner Open Source Summit in > Orlando, Florida" > >could be: > "---OpenSolaris marketing--- participated in the ---Gartner > Open Source Summit--- in Orlando, Florida." > >(And of course put links to the appropriate photo streams on flickr...) > >Same for people, too-- link to them if they have blogs or pages; the >best web newsletters let you swim around in the specific context of the >content which they discuss... > > The best single thing we could do in this regard is get blog posts that are newletter-worthy tagged on del.icio.us (or similar). Ideally this would be done by the bloggers themselves right after they post a new entry. (Using a browser bookmarklet, it takes only seconds to post and tag a new blog entry to del.icio.us.) Jon Udell (and I think others at Infoworld) has written some fascinating articles about how InfoWorld is leveraging tagging. For us, it would work something like this: Solaris community (Sun and non-Sun) bloggers tag their posts according to a certain keyword pattern, e.g: - Posts about LISA '05 get tagged: sol_comm:lisa05 - Posts about the Gartner IT summit get tagged: sol_comm:gartneritsummit05 - Etc. Then the newsletter item for LISA '05 simply links to: http://del.icio.us/tag/sol_comm:lisa05 Which would take readers to an index page of Solaris community blog posts about LISA '05. Sound good? I'm game... Eric From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Tue Jan 3 15:39:37 2006 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:39:37 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Tagging (was: top-right jumble) In-Reply-To: <43BB05FC.2040905@Sun.COM> References: <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> <43BB05FC.2040905@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <43BB0B39.8010709@Sun.COM> On a related note, I just did a prototype of another tagging idea. I wrote a blog post about it last night called "Merging mail-list content into the Tagging/RSS/Blog sphere": http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/eric_boutilier?entry=merging_mail_list_content_into Eric From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue Jan 3 16:06:30 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:06:30 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43BB05FC.2040905@Sun.COM> References: <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> <43BB05FC.2040905@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <43BB1186.8030008@sun.com> I like it! LKR Eric Boutilier wrote: > Dan Price wrote: > >> On Mon 02 Jan 2006 at 08:59PM, Laura Ramsey wrote: >> >> >>> Check out the highlights posted in the marketing community. This is >>> evolving into a solid newsletter--november version had some kinks >>> but december version seems to have more traction. It purposely >>> focuses on community building aspects--and has that tone purposely. >>> >>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/highlights/december/ >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >> >> >> Well, there's surely an audience for whom this newsletter is >> interesting; as a technologist, I can say that I'm not a member of >> that set of people... the newsletter is quite dense and is really >> a summary of marketing activities. >> >> As a suggestion for the future, add more links: >> >> "OpenSolaris marketing participated in the Gartner Open Source >> Summit in >> Orlando, Florida" >> >> could be: >> "---OpenSolaris marketing--- participated in the ---Gartner >> Open Source Summit--- in Orlando, Florida." >> >> (And of course put links to the appropriate photo streams on flickr...) >> >> Same for people, too-- link to them if they have blogs or pages; the >> best web newsletters let you swim around in the specific context of the >> content which they discuss... >> >> > > The best single thing we could do in this regard is get blog posts > that are newletter-worthy tagged on del.icio.us (or similar). Ideally > this would be done by the bloggers themselves right after they post a > new entry. (Using a browser bookmarklet, it takes only seconds to post > and tag a new blog entry to del.icio.us.) > > Jon Udell (and I think others at Infoworld) has written some > fascinating articles about how InfoWorld is leveraging tagging. > > For us, it would work something like this: > > Solaris community (Sun and non-Sun) bloggers tag their posts according > to a certain keyword pattern, e.g: > > - Posts about LISA '05 get tagged: sol_comm:lisa05 > - Posts about the Gartner IT summit get tagged: > sol_comm:gartneritsummit05 > - Etc. > > Then the newsletter item for LISA '05 simply links to: > > http://del.icio.us/tag/sol_comm:lisa05 > > Which would take readers to an index page of Solaris community blog > posts about LISA '05. > > Sound good? > > I'm game... > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Wed Jan 4 02:25:47 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:25:47 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: top-right jumble and other concerns In-Reply-To: <43BB05FC.2040905@Sun.COM> References: <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> <43BB05FC.2040905@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <1136370347.2983.61.camel@haiiro> Hey Eric & all, (Happy New Year, btw!) On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 17:17 -0600, Eric Boutilier wrote: > The best single thing we could do in this regard is get blog posts that > are newletter-worthy tagged on del.icio.us (or similar). Ideally this > would be done by the bloggers themselves right after they post a new > entry. (Using a browser bookmarklet, it takes only seconds to post and > tag a new blog entry to del.icio.us.) I'm not convinced metadata is the solution to the world's indexing/retrieval problems yet. When you can fix a metadata vocabulary and rigidly ensure that users of the system are going to use the system correctly, then it's great - otherwise chaos ensues imho. Give me a decent document classification system any day (not that I know of one yet, which is where my reasoning breaks down - sorry!) > For us, it would work something like this: > > Solaris community (Sun and non-Sun) bloggers tag their posts according > to a certain keyword pattern, e.g: > > - Posts about LISA '05 get tagged: sol_comm:lisa05 > - Posts about the Gartner IT summit get tagged: sol_comm:gartneritsummit05 > - Etc. The list of communities/projects on opensolaris.org could perhaps be used as a reasonably fixed vocabulary in this sense, so you can pick bits of news from each community/project. Though that doesn't help when you start talking about things that cross communities - a Zone running on a ZFS filesystem being used to Dtrace a Linux application running through BrandZ, for example. I'd be thinking you'll end up seeing tags like: sol_comm:05:lisa solaris:lisa05 sol:conferencelisa05 opensolaris:lisa opensolaris:mylisatalk opensolaris:dtracelisa05 sunengineer:lisaconference dtrace:lisatalk etc. which all mean the same thing, but how can you tell ? > Then the newsletter item for LISA '05 simply links to: > > http://del.icio.us/tag/sol_comm:lisa05 > > Which would take readers to an index page of Solaris community blog > posts about LISA '05. > Sound good? Yes if you can persuade every OpenSolaris blogger to stick to the system and have the capability of wielding a big stick on those who don't - otherwise, or potentially not care about missing interesting content that was tagged incorrectly or not at all. Ultimately, I think nothing beats a good editor (which is how Java.net has been doing it thus far I believe[1] - users submit newsletter-worthy content and a human/humans processes it by hand) and that same human(s) is relatively plugged into what's going on in the OpenSolaris world. - sorry, don't mean to be a spoil-sport, if there's a good technical way of doing this, I'm all for it, but maybe we should just start out doing things the easy (if somewhat more labour-intensive) way until we work out what sort of content people like to read. After that we can start to automate it to the fullest extent of the law! :-) cheers, tim [1] but those guys manage it *daily* (wow!) http://weblogs.java.net/blog/editors/ -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Wed Jan 4 08:28:24 2006 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:28:24 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Tagging, metadata (Was: top-right jumble...) In-Reply-To: <1136370347.2983.61.camel@haiiro> References: <43A19779.5070402@sun.com> <1134693744.26392.17.camel@localhost> <20051216214312.GB17673@eng.sun.com> <1134816804.1912.10.camel@localhost> <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> <43BB05FC.2040905@Sun.COM> <1136370347.2983.61.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <43BBF7A8.4070800@Sun.COM> Tim Foster wrote: >... > >On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 17:17 -0600, Eric Boutilier wrote: > > >>The best single thing we could do in this regard is get blog posts that >>are newletter-worthy tagged on del.icio.us (or similar). Ideally this >>would be done by the bloggers themselves right after they post a new >>entry. (Using a browser bookmarklet, it takes only seconds to post and >>tag a new blog entry to del.icio.us.) >> >> > >I'm not convinced metadata is the solution to the world's >indexing/retrieval problems yet. > True (not yet anyway. ;-) More below... >... >Yes if you can persuade every OpenSolaris blogger to stick to the system >and have the capability of wielding a big stick on those who don't - >otherwise, or potentially not care about missing interesting content >that was tagged incorrectly or not at all. > > Yeah, I suppose at this stage a lot of bloggers probably wouldn't be motivated enough to get the tagging right. So with that in mind, I just did a little proof-of-concept using LISA 05 as the target. I threw together a few commands that generated the following list of blog posts made between 11/1 and 12/31 with LISA in the title: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/lisaweek?entry=nfsv4_and_zfs_acls http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/eric_boutilier?entry=zfs_smf_zones_and_dtrace http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/dp?entry=off_to_lisa_2005 http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/sch?entry=lisa05_tuesday http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/sch?entry=lisa05_tuesday_device_errors_iostat http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/sch?entry=lisa05_wednesday_autopod_and_pki http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/dp?entry=back_from_lisa_off_to http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/sch?entry=lisa_thursday_reception_s http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/sch?entry=lisa05_friday Then I scrounged around for free tools that automatically batch upload and tag links lists (like the one above) to del.icio.us (or furl, or whatever). There are several. Here's my favorite: http://overstated.net/projects/del.icio.us/delicious_import.pl So in other words, doing what I think the newsletter needs the most -- which is to have each item point to a link-list of blog posts about that item -- could be mostly (99%?) automated. Eric From dp at eng.sun.com Wed Jan 4 13:12:34 2006 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:12:34 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Tagging, metadata (Was: top-right jumble...) In-Reply-To: <43BBF7A8.4070800@Sun.COM> References: <43A6C766.5000009@sun.com> <20051220095612.GA21794@eng.sun.com> <43A84CA2.6030903@Sun.COM> <20051221092236.GA23468@eng.sun.com> <43B9CC51.7020903@sun.com> <43B9DA83.6010704@sun.com> <20060103024930.GA29986@eng.sun.com> <43BB05FC.2040905@Sun.COM> <1136370347.2983.61.camel@haiiro> <43BBF7A8.4070800@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <20060104211234.GA2603@eng.sun.com> On Wed 04 Jan 2006 at 10:28AM, Eric Boutilier wrote: > > So in other words, doing what I think the newsletter needs the most -- I think we're in some disagreement here, at least about priorities. I think the linky content is nice, and that a link-farm is good, but I don't think it solves the problem I want to solve-- getting the more casual observers (who may wield high degrees of influence) informed in a casual, authentic way. What I want out of the newsletter-- that is to say, what I think it needs the most-- is a firm hand on the "why do I care" part of the equation. It shouldn't instruct me to click to get to a list of ten blog posts which I then have to cull-- it should do some culling for me and present editorially selected links in a sane way. If it provides me a list of links as ancillary material, then great, but IMHO that is secondary. -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Jan 6 06:03:20 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:03:20 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] New OpenSolaris Net Talk Message-ID: <43BE78A8.7060607@sun.com> Sun Net Talk Open Community. OpenSolaris, Open Source, and the Future of Software. Watch Now http://sun.r.delivery.net/r?1.1.3J1.2U2.11LWcS.BwovP_...CndA.1ORY.3c*XCZ Sara From felix.schulte at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 02:14:07 2006 From: felix.schulte at gmail.com (Felix Schulte) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:14:07 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc. In-Reply-To: <43A6CC42.4000708@sun.com> References: <74f15d5f0512181509w128fa100y3cfc6e68f5a46fd6@mail.gmail.com> <43A6CC42.4000708@sun.com> Message-ID: <74f15d5f0601090214k1e5f3c2q98a019b9acb5146a@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/05, Shantnu Sharma wrote: > Felix, > > Thanks for the heads up and thanks for your participation in the open > solaris community. > > I was wondering if you can point me to documentation which dwells upon > the German Government's propensity to favor KDE. Sorry for being late but it took a while to figure out some details here. So far no public information has been disclosed yet except the stuff from the talks at LinuxWorld 2006 in Frankfurt. Lead person of the task force is Bj?rn K?mmel from the German ministry for health (ok, bad translation, in German it's "Bundesministerium f?r Gesundheit und Soziale Sicherung", BMGS, however other ministries like BMI, BMJ and the Parliament are directly involved, too). Apparently more information will be disclosed in August 2006 with a full list of requirements (which includes KDE as a *mandatory* requirement (likely for purchase of support contacts for Linux/Unix-like operating systems - which includes Solaris/OpenSolaris)) ... that's all I could figure out for now without signing some kind of non-disclosure agreement... :-( -- _ Felix Schulte _|_|_ mailto:felix.schulte at gmail.com (0 0) ooO--(_)--Ooo From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue Jan 10 10:16:39 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:16:39 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] BayLISA Presentation Report In-Reply-To: <43A34C0C.6080007@cuddletech.com> References: <43A34C0C.6080007@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <43C3FA07.50806@sun.com> Very nice, Ben. I see Simon's blog has a link to the video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2137587736484753992 It will make a nice addition to the user group presentation page. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ Ben Rockwood wrote: > I presented on Solaris/OpenSolaris last night at BayLISA (baylisa.org). > It was the annual "Short but Cool" evening, where a variety of > presenters are present and each get about 20 minutes to speak. We ended > up having 6 preso's ranging from 'DragonFly BSD MP kernel mechanisms' > which was highly technical to 'Novell and Linux' which was pure marketing. > Given the audience and time time span I was really constricted on what I > could get into, so I opted to do a presentation entitled "New Directions > of Solaris in an Open World". I highlighted features in Solaris10, a > brief history of Tonic/OpenSolaris, highlighted features of OpenSolaris, > and then tried to demystify all the various ways to get Solaris > (Solaris, SX, SX:CR, OpenSolaris Source, OpenSolaris BFU's, Distros) and > pointed to resources. There was a liberal amount of segue in the course > of it. > > The presentation flew by. The 25 minutes that I was up felt more like > 10 and we covered very little ground but always stayed focused on the > audience, System Administrators, and the deep level of community > involvement that we have, including the fact that I, their humble > presenter, was a community member, not an employee of Sun. They really > seemed to respond well to the talk. The message I got was that most of > them were jaded by the Sun marketing speak and didn't want to hear it > and really opened up to everything I had to present with an open mind. > I even made sure to remind them that they all, as Sun users and > customers, were members of this community as well, whether they > participate or not is their choice. > > Because of my time constraints and because I don't have a laptop I used > my wifes Apple PowerBook and did the slides in Apple KeyNote. Since the > meeting was at Apple I thought that was probably OK. I'll redo the > slides in OO and put them up for those interested. > > I've been asked to come back some time later in the year and give a full > 2+ hour presentation. When I do that presentation I'll be doing a very > targeted "OpenSolaris for System Administrators" where I put focus on > topics that are of direct interest to all sysadmins regardless of skill > level, such as SMF, Zones, and ZFS, and try to focus a little less on > DTrace which goes over the heads of some sysadmins. > > Thank you very much to Teresa for providing me with a swag kit. I was > the only presenter with swag, and the audience loved it. I gave out S10 > DVD's (6) to the few people in the room that hadn't used S10 before and > gave out shirts (2) and hats (2) to the most worthy souls. > > The crowd was good, I'd assume we had about 50'ish people present. All > the seats were full and several people standing. From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Jan 10 21:14:29 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:14:29 -0800 Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] BayLISA Presentation Report In-Reply-To: <43C3FA07.50806@sun.com> References: <43A34C0C.6080007@cuddletech.com> <43C3FA07.50806@sun.com> Message-ID: <1136956469.101054.13.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 10:16 -0800, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Very nice, Ben. I see Simon's blog has a link to the video: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2137587736484753992 > It will make a nice addition to the user group presentation page. Uh, right - is this where I step in ? Sorry - I've been in wall to wall meetings for the last few days here in MPK (and a fairly considerable amount of lunches, it has to be said!) and I haven't been able to keep up with emails... Anyway a link to that video is up on the preso page now at http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/ Thanks for the heads-up Jim! cheers, tim > Jim > -- > Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ > > > Ben Rockwood wrote: > > I presented on Solaris/OpenSolaris last night at BayLISA (baylisa.org). > > It was the annual "Short but Cool" evening, where a variety of > > presenters are present and each get about 20 minutes to speak. We ended > > up having 6 preso's ranging from 'DragonFly BSD MP kernel mechanisms' > > which was highly technical to 'Novell and Linux' which was pure marketing. > > Given the audience and time time span I was really constricted on what I > > could get into, so I opted to do a presentation entitled "New Directions > > of Solaris in an Open World". I highlighted features in Solaris10, a > > brief history of Tonic/OpenSolaris, highlighted features of OpenSolaris, > > and then tried to demystify all the various ways to get Solaris > > (Solaris, SX, SX:CR, OpenSolaris Source, OpenSolaris BFU's, Distros) and > > pointed to resources. There was a liberal amount of segue in the course > > of it. > > > > The presentation flew by. The 25 minutes that I was up felt more like > > 10 and we covered very little ground but always stayed focused on the > > audience, System Administrators, and the deep level of community > > involvement that we have, including the fact that I, their humble > > presenter, was a community member, not an employee of Sun. They really > > seemed to respond well to the talk. The message I got was that most of > > them were jaded by the Sun marketing speak and didn't want to hear it > > and really opened up to everything I had to present with an open mind. > > I even made sure to remind them that they all, as Sun users and > > customers, were members of this community as well, whether they > > participate or not is their choice. > > > > Because of my time constraints and because I don't have a laptop I used > > my wifes Apple PowerBook and did the slides in Apple KeyNote. Since the > > meeting was at Apple I thought that was probably OK. I'll redo the > > slides in OO and put them up for those interested. > > > > I've been asked to come back some time later in the year and give a full > > 2+ hour presentation. When I do that presentation I'll be doing a very > > targeted "OpenSolaris for System Administrators" where I put focus on > > topics that are of direct interest to all sysadmins regardless of skill > > level, such as SMF, Zones, and ZFS, and try to focus a little less on > > DTrace which goes over the heads of some sysadmins. > > > > Thank you very much to Teresa for providing me with a swag kit. I was > > the only presenter with swag, and the audience loved it. I gave out S10 > > DVD's (6) to the few people in the room that hadn't used S10 before and > > gave out shirts (2) and hats (2) to the most worthy souls. > > > > The crowd was good, I'd assume we had about 50'ish people present. All > > the seats were full and several people standing. > > _______________________________________________ > ug-discuss mailing list > ug-discuss at opensolaris.org -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Jan 10 21:40:32 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:40:32 -0800 Subject: (additional) Re: [ug-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] BayLISA Presentation Report In-Reply-To: <1136956469.101054.13.camel@localhost> References: <43A34C0C.6080007@cuddletech.com> <43C3FA07.50806@sun.com> <1136956469.101054.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1136958032.101054.27.camel@localhost> Oh, hey - meant to mention : that's really nice presentation Ben! (well worth watching for everyone else - I'm sold too :-) [ note to self - must spend time extracting the audio of some of the videos we've got to mp3 so people could listen to them on their iPods - would that be useful, or am I the only one looking for that sort of thing ? ] On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 21:14 -0800, Tim Foster wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 10:16 -0800, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > > Very nice, Ben. I see Simon's blog has a link to the video: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2137587736484753992 > > It will make a nice addition to the user group presentation page. > > Uh, right - is this where I step in ? Sorry - I've been in wall to wall > meetings for the last few days here in MPK (and a fairly considerable > amount of lunches, it has to be said!) and I haven't been able to keep > up with emails... Anyway a link to that video is up on the preso page > now at > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/ > > Thanks for the heads-up Jim! > > cheers, > tim > > > > Jim > > -- > > Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris > > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ > > > > > > Ben Rockwood wrote: > > > I presented on Solaris/OpenSolaris last night at BayLISA (baylisa.org). > > > It was the annual "Short but Cool" evening, where a variety of > > > presenters are present and each get about 20 minutes to speak. We ended > > > up having 6 preso's ranging from 'DragonFly BSD MP kernel mechanisms' > > > which was highly technical to 'Novell and Linux' which was pure marketing. > > > Given the audience and time time span I was really constricted on what I > > > could get into, so I opted to do a presentation entitled "New Directions > > > of Solaris in an Open World". I highlighted features in Solaris10, a > > > brief history of Tonic/OpenSolaris, highlighted features of OpenSolaris, > > > and then tried to demystify all the various ways to get Solaris > > > (Solaris, SX, SX:CR, OpenSolaris Source, OpenSolaris BFU's, Distros) and > > > pointed to resources. There was a liberal amount of segue in the course > > > of it. > > > > > > The presentation flew by. The 25 minutes that I was up felt more like > > > 10 and we covered very little ground but always stayed focused on the > > > audience, System Administrators, and the deep level of community > > > involvement that we have, including the fact that I, their humble > > > presenter, was a community member, not an employee of Sun. They really > > > seemed to respond well to the talk. The message I got was that most of > > > them were jaded by the Sun marketing speak and didn't want to hear it > > > and really opened up to everything I had to present with an open mind. > > > I even made sure to remind them that they all, as Sun users and > > > customers, were members of this community as well, whether they > > > participate or not is their choice. > > > > > > Because of my time constraints and because I don't have a laptop I used > > > my wifes Apple PowerBook and did the slides in Apple KeyNote. Since the > > > meeting was at Apple I thought that was probably OK. I'll redo the > > > slides in OO and put them up for those interested. > > > > > > I've been asked to come back some time later in the year and give a full > > > 2+ hour presentation. When I do that presentation I'll be doing a very > > > targeted "OpenSolaris for System Administrators" where I put focus on > > > topics that are of direct interest to all sysadmins regardless of skill > > > level, such as SMF, Zones, and ZFS, and try to focus a little less on > > > DTrace which goes over the heads of some sysadmins. > > > > > > Thank you very much to Teresa for providing me with a swag kit. I was > > > the only presenter with swag, and the audience loved it. I gave out S10 > > > DVD's (6) to the few people in the room that hadn't used S10 before and > > > gave out shirts (2) and hats (2) to the most worthy souls. > > > > > > The crowd was good, I'd assume we had about 50'ish people present. All > > > the seats were full and several people standing. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ug-discuss mailing list > > ug-discuss at opensolaris.org -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From benr at cuddletech.com Wed Jan 11 00:03:17 2006 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:03:17 -0800 Subject: (additional) Re: [ug-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] BayLISA Presentation Report In-Reply-To: <1136958032.101054.27.camel@localhost> References: <43A34C0C.6080007@cuddletech.com> <43C3FA07.50806@sun.com> <1136956469.101054.13.camel@localhost> <1136958032.101054.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43C4BBC5.70201@cuddletech.com> Tim Foster wrote: >Oh, hey - meant to mention : that's really nice presentation Ben! >(well worth watching for everyone else - I'm sold too :-) > >[ note to self - must spend time extracting the audio of some of the >videos we've got to mp3 so people could listen to them on their iPods - >would that be useful, or am I the only one looking for that sort of >thing ? ] > Its a good idea. In fact, I recently saw a nice "Must Have Accessory" for iPod that I might pick up for SVOSUG, its a little stereo mic to allow recording direct on the iPod. The audio quality at our meetings is so bad that I might start asking speakers to clip on the mic and put the iPod in their pockets so that I can get good quality audio for Podcasts in addition to the video we provide. benr. From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Jan 11 09:57:09 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:57:09 -0800 Subject: (additional) Re: [ug-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] BayLISA Presentation Report In-Reply-To: <1136958032.101054.27.camel@localhost> References: <43A34C0C.6080007@cuddletech.com> <43C3FA07.50806@sun.com> <1136956469.101054.13.camel@localhost> <1136958032.101054.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43C546F5.80200@sun.com> Tim Foster wrote: > Oh, hey - meant to mention : that's really nice presentation Ben! > (well worth watching for everyone else - I'm sold too :-) +1 :) > [ note to self - must spend time extracting the audio of some of the > videos we've got to mp3 so people could listen to them on their iPods - > would that be useful, or am I the only one looking for that sort of > thing ? ] That would be great. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From bill at rushmores.net Wed Jan 11 10:55:48 2006 From: bill at rushmores.net (Bill Rushmore) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:55:48 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: BayLISA Presentation Report In-Reply-To: <43C3FA07.50806@sun.com> Message-ID: <28380072.1137005778711.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > Very nice, Ben. I see Simon's blog has a link to the > video: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=21375877364847 > 53992 > It will make a nice addition to the user group > presentation page. > > Jim I am not sure what was better, Ben's presentation or the fact that I just clicked on the link and I was watching video on my Sun Blade 1000 without needing the SUNpci. This message posted from opensolaris.org From dp at eng.sun.com Wed Jan 11 17:47:54 2006 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:47:54 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: BayLISA Presentation Report In-Reply-To: <28380072.1137005778711.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <43C3FA07.50806@sun.com> <28380072.1137005778711.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <20060112014754.GA8538@eng.sun.com> On Wed 11 Jan 2006 at 10:55AM, Bill Rushmore wrote: > > Very nice, Ben. I see Simon's blog has a link to the > > video: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=21375877364847 > > 53992 > > It will make a nice addition to the user group > > presentation page. > > > > Jim > > I am not sure what was better, Ben's presentation or the fact that I just clicked on the link and I was watching video on my Sun Blade 1000 without needing the SUNpci. > This message posted from opensolaris.org Cool! I didn't find the blog entry (can I have a link?) but I did note that google video has added a "put on site" feature, so looks like we could even embed that video on whatever website we choose-- you copy some javascript or html or whatever, and it automagically works. -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From dp at eng.sun.com Wed Jan 11 19:58:46 2006 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:58:46 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] digg these ideas... Message-ID: <20060112035846.GD43@eng.sun.com> Happy New Year! I've been collecting some ideas for web-2.0-ish improvements to the website which might also help our marketing efforts. Here they are: - Integrate the announcements and news postings with digg.com. Does digg matter? Some thing so: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/006081.html And some folks like Simon Phipps are adding digg to their blogs. Also to consider: reddit.com The user experience would be similar to "digg story" on: http://www.webmink.net/minkblog.htm - Re-imagine the "events" part of the app as a cool calendar. And/or have a top level calendar page. Chandan is, as usual, ahead of the curve-- copying his visual design would be nice: http://blogs.sun.com/chandan?anchor=opensolaris_2006_calendars - Integrate with google video-- put up a video gallery using http://video.google.com and the "Put On Site" feature. (and similarly) - Integrate with flickr (?) That is to say, have top level "video gallery" and "photo gallery" sections. - Add (or switch to) support for Google analytics. Google analytics (analytics.google.com) is free, and it looks easy to share analytics beyond the walls of Sun-- this means for example that community leaders could look at stats for their community. Thanks! -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Thu Jan 12 11:03:43 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:03:43 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: BayLISA Presentation Report In-Reply-To: <20060112014754.GA8538@eng.sun.com> References: <43C3FA07.50806@sun.com> <28380072.1137005778711.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <20060112014754.GA8538@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <1137092623.102431.8.camel@localhost> Hey Dan, On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 17:47 -0800, Dan Price wrote: > I didn't find the blog entry (can I have a link?) Ben's got it at http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=498#comm > but I did note that > google video has added a "put on site" feature, so looks like we could > even embed that video on whatever website we choose-- you copy some > javascript or html or whatever, and it automagically works. Neato. That'd be quite cool to have. Perhaps this belongs at: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/articles_videos_stuff/ - though I've just read your other mail with some excellent suggestions, - I'll mail more in a bit.. cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM Thu Jan 12 12:15:48 2006 From: Simon.Phipps at Sun.COM (Simon Phipps) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:15:48 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: digg these ideas... In-Reply-To: <1137094052.932.4.camel@localhost> References: <20060112035846.GD43@eng.sun.com> <1137094052.932.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Jan 12, 2006, at 19:27, Chandan B.N. wrote: > Perhaps it is also time to change the front page banner, > may be to a photo from an user group meeting or other events. I like the banner they have put on http://conferences.oreillynet.com/ os2006/ where the photos at the top are randomly selected from Flickr and change each time you reload. A growing pool of contributor pictures in a collage at the top of the page would be great. S. From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu Jan 12 13:05:35 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:05:35 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: digg these ideas... In-Reply-To: References: <20060112035846.GD43@eng.sun.com> <1137094052.932.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43C6C49F.3060605@sun.com> Simon Phipps wrote: > On Jan 12, 2006, at 19:27, Chandan B.N. wrote: > >> Perhaps it is also time to change the front page banner, >> may be to a photo from an user group meeting or other events. > > > I like the banner they have put on http://conferences.oreillynet.com/ > os2006/ where the photos at the top are randomly selected from Flickr > and change each time you reload. A growing pool of contributor pictures > in a collage at the top of the page would be great. > > S. I like it. We have about 350 flickr OpenSolaris pics to draw from right now that we can use anywhere on the site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/opensolaris/ Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sat Jan 14 20:06:24 2006 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:06:24 +1300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Template link on opensolaris marketing pages.. Message-ID: <1137297984.5294.27.camel@localhost> Hey, Can the following link be put on the Downloadables page somewhere - http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/opensolaris-presentation-template.otp It was more obvious to me that this template would be available under the marketing materials rather than User groups. Glynn From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Jan 17 08:42:26 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:42:26 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Template link on opensolaris marketing pages.. In-Reply-To: <1137297984.5294.27.camel@localhost> References: <1137297984.5294.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1137516146.1034.2.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 17:06 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: > Can the following link be put on the Downloadables page somewhere - > > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/opensolaris-presentation-template.otp Done! (and not just because you're related to me ;-) If anyone wants to change the wording, feel free... >It was more obvious to me that this template would be available under > the marketing materials rather than User groups. Mmm, I can understand that alright - there's an interesting overlap between marketing and user-group communities here that's been on my mind over the last while. Haven't come to any conclusions yet though (which is where it all breaks down) cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Jan 17 08:44:27 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:44:27 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Template link on opensolaris marketing pages.. In-Reply-To: <1137297984.5294.27.camel@localhost> References: <1137297984.5294.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43CD1EEB.4010604@sun.com> Thanks Glynn. I added it to the downloadables section and I put in an announcement on the marketing page. Sara Glynn Foster wrote: >Hey, > >Can the following link be put on the Downloadables page somewhere - > >http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/opensolaris-presentation-template.otp > >It was more obvious to me that this template would be available under >the marketing materials rather than User groups. > > >Glynn > >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri Jan 20 06:07:38 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:07:38 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> Message-ID: <43D0EEAA.5040800@sun.com> All, An updated report is available here http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/latest/ regards Patrick From blastwave at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 06:36:10 2006 From: blastwave at gmail.com (Dennis Clarke) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:36:10 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: <43D0EEAA.5040800@sun.com> References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43D0EEAA.5040800@sun.com> Message-ID: On 1/20/06, Patrick Finch wrote: > All, > > An updated report is available here > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/latest/ > Looks like "blastwave.org" is mentioned twice in "Domains Referring Traffic to OpenSolaris.org" and even if we add them together they don't amount to a hill of beans compared to google. Dennis From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri Jan 20 06:45:15 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:45:15 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43D0EEAA.5040800@sun.com> Message-ID: <43D0F77B.5000407@sun.com> Thanks - my mistake Dennis, I will correct. And yes, over time a higher and higher proportion of referrals have come from Google. regards Patrick Dennis Clarke wrote: >On 1/20/06, Patrick Finch wrote: > > >>All, >> >>An updated report is available here >> >>http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/latest/ >> >> >> > >Looks like "blastwave.org" is mentioned twice in "Domains Referring >Traffic to OpenSolaris.org" and even if we add them together they >don't amount to a hill of beans compared to google. > >Dennis > > From blastwave at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 06:49:39 2006 From: blastwave at gmail.com (Dennis Clarke) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:49:39 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: <43D0F77B.5000407@sun.com> References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43D0EEAA.5040800@sun.com> <43D0F77B.5000407@sun.com> Message-ID: On 1/20/06, Patrick Finch wrote: > Thanks - my mistake Dennis, I will correct. And yes, over time a higher > and higher proportion of referrals have come from Google. > oh .. it wasn't a mistake .. probably should just be two entries there .. "Google" and then "other" :-) also .. why are the graphs cumulative? Just so they look smoother ? Do you have a chart for rate change ? Say .. samples rates change averaged over 4 weeks .. that sort of thing. Dennis From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri Jan 20 06:56:54 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:56:54 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43D0EEAA.5040800@sun.com> <43D0F77B.5000407@sun.com> Message-ID: <43D0FA36.8050407@sun.com> Cumulative graphs: no hard and fast reason: gives a sense of growth, but after 30 weeks I question the usefulness myself. Rate changes - I did some trailing averages in December on new registrations. Which metric are you interested in seeing? If it's feasible, I can add produce and publish here, or add to the package. Patrick Dennis Clarke wrote: >On 1/20/06, Patrick Finch wrote: > > >>Thanks - my mistake Dennis, I will correct. And yes, over time a higher >>and higher proportion of referrals have come from Google. >> >> >> >oh .. it wasn't a mistake .. probably should just be two entries there >.. "Google" and then "other" :-) > >also .. why are the graphs cumulative? Just so they look smoother ? > >Do you have a chart for rate change ? Say .. samples rates change >averaged over 4 weeks .. that sort of thing. > >Dennis > > From blastwave at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 07:07:40 2006 From: blastwave at gmail.com (Dennis Clarke) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:07:40 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: <43D0FA36.8050407@sun.com> References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43D0EEAA.5040800@sun.com> <43D0F77B.5000407@sun.com> <43D0FA36.8050407@sun.com> Message-ID: On 1/20/06, Patrick Finch wrote: > Cumulative graphs: no hard and fast reason: gives a sense of growth, but > after 30 weeks I question the usefulness myself. > > Rate changes - I did some trailing averages in December on new > registrations. Which metric are you interested in seeing? If it's > feasible, I can add produce and publish here, or add to the package. > Well .. see the chart that says "Cumulative Page Views on www.opensolaris.org" ? What does it look like if we just plot the data? Nothing fancy, not even logarithmic. Just plain old web hit stats or page views. That sort of thing? Dennis From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri Jan 20 07:37:07 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:37:07 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated Community Metrics In-Reply-To: References: <437C8116.80905@sun.com> <43D0EEAA.5040800@sun.com> <43D0F77B.5000407@sun.com> <43D0FA36.8050407@sun.com> Message-ID: <43D103A3.2000006@sun.com> Hi, Like this? http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/patrickf/pageviews1.jpg http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/patrickf/pageviews2.jpg (I removed week 1 from the second picture to increase clarity on y-axis). The spike on week 23 coincides with the release of ZFS, and the slump in weeks 28 and 29 are the festive season. By the way, it was blastware.org that caused the typo ;) Patrick Dennis Clarke wrote: >On 1/20/06, Patrick Finch wrote: > > >>Cumulative graphs: no hard and fast reason: gives a sense of growth, but >>after 30 weeks I question the usefulness myself. >> >>Rate changes - I did some trailing averages in December on new >>registrations. Which metric are you interested in seeing? If it's >>feasible, I can add produce and publish here, or add to the package. >> >> >> > >Well .. see the chart that says "Cumulative Page Views on >www.opensolaris.org" ? What does it look like if we just plot the >data? Nothing fancy, not even logarithmic. Just plain old web hit >stats or page views. That sort of thing? > >Dennis > > From Chandan at Sun.COM Thu Jan 12 11:27:32 2006 From: Chandan at Sun.COM (Chandan B.N.) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:27:32 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: digg these ideas... In-Reply-To: <20060112035846.GD43@eng.sun.com> References: <20060112035846.GD43@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <1137094052.932.4.camel@localhost> Perhaps it is also time to change the front page banner, may be to a photo from an user group meeting or other events. -Chandan -- https://blogs.sun.com/chandan From asyd at asyd.net Mon Jan 23 04:10:28 2006 From: asyd at asyd.net (Bruno Bonfils) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:10:28 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] French Solaris User Group Message-ID: <12790976.1138018264199.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Hello, I'm a member (the president) of the French Solaris User Group, called GUSES. I wonder how to update the link which belong to this page http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/. It will be nice if someone can update the link to http://guses.org/home/. 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