From hmdijkstra at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 01:39:35 2006
From: hmdijkstra at gmail.com (Harmen)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:39:35 PDT
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re:  Most advanced OS on the planet
In-Reply-To: <44A531E9.nail4UG11AI7H@burner>
Message-ID: <14919314.1151743205707.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>

This is my problem if you're interested:

http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=45721&#45721

As I was not sure whether this was Gnome related or device related I have posted this question in both discuss/desktop and discuss/devices & drivers. The thread I refer to with hyperlink accumulated the most interesting information.

Sorry for my rudeness in the first post. I just didn't expect this problem on first contact with this OS.
 
 
This message posted from opensolaris.org


From schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de  Sat Jul  1 02:44:50 2006
From: schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 11:44:50 +0200
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re:  Most advanced OS on the planet
In-Reply-To: <14919314.1151743205707.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
References: <14919314.1151743205707.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
Message-ID: <44A64412.nail58911CPWJ@burner>

Harmen <hmdijkstra at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is my problem if you're interested:
>
> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=45721&#45721
>
> As I was not sure whether this was Gnome related or device related I have posted this question in both discuss/desktop and discuss/devices & drivers. The thread I refer to with hyperlink accumulated the most interesting information.

Well, you cannot mount empty CD media.

Use mkisofs/cdrecord to write it before you mount it.

J?rg

-- 
 EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
       js at cs.tu-berlin.de                (uni)  
       schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de     (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
 URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily


From schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de  Sun Jul  2 04:02:50 2006
From: schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:02:50 +0200
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re:  Most advanced OS on the planet
In-Reply-To: <61174.70.50.140.52.1151688981.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
References: <20024130.1151658200336.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<44A50657.nail4JK31Y9A5@burner>
	<3945.206.172.224.155.1151680353.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44A549C2.nail4WC12MU51@burner>
	<61174.70.50.140.52.1151688981.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
Message-ID: <44A7A7DA.nail5OD21USXL@burner>

"Dennis Clarke" <dclarke at blastwave.org> wrote:

> >> What version of cdrecord ?
> >> # cdrecord --version
> >> Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01.01a09 (i386-pc-solaris2.11) Copyright (C)
> 1995-2006 J?rg Schilling
> >
> > Outdated, this does not include several workarounds for newer DVD writers.
>
> Holy hell J?rg !  How is that outdated?  You just released it a few weeks
> ago or maybe one month.  This is the version that you and I were talking
> about and you asked me to modify the code to support the SONY drive. 
> Remember that?

I am not sure what you are talking about.
I only remenber that you did write about problems but did not report
what kind of problem you had...


> Now then .. where is this new cdrecord source and will it support dual layer
> DVD media on my SONY ?

cdrecord supports dual layer since more than a year. It does not yet support
to define the location for the layer break.

J?rg

-- 
 EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
       js at cs.tu-berlin.de                (uni)  
       schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de     (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
 URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily


From dclarke at blastwave.org  Sun Jul  2 06:40:43 2006
From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:40:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re:  Most advanced OS on the planet
In-Reply-To: <44A7A7DA.nail5OD21USXL@burner>
References: <20024130.1151658200336.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<44A50657.nail4JK31Y9A5@burner>
	<3945.206.172.224.155.1151680353.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44A549C2.nail4WC12MU51@burner>
	<61174.70.50.140.52.1151688981.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44A7A7DA.nail5OD21USXL@burner>
Message-ID: <60572.69.158.186.103.1151847643.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>


> "Dennis Clarke" <dclarke at blastwave.org> wrote:
>
>> >> What version of cdrecord ?
>> >> # cdrecord --version
>> >> Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01.01a09 (i386-pc-solaris2.11) Copyright (C)
>> 1995-2006 J?rg Schilling
>> >
>> > Outdated, this does not include several workarounds for newer DVD
>> writers.
>>
>> Holy hell J?rg !  How is that outdated?  You just released it a few weeks
>> ago or maybe one month.  This is the version that you and I were talking
>> about and you asked me to modify the code to support the SONY drive.
>> Remember that?
>
> I am not sure what you are talking about.
> I only remenber that you did write about problems but did not report
> what kind of problem you had...

Hey, we were echanging emails and code bits back and forth and you asked
me to change a few lines and then run my smake again.  Don't recall ?

Regardless .. I just looked in :

  ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/

  and I have the latest code.

  I will cook up a new version here and see what happens with the DVD+R/DL
but I highly suspect that I will have the same problems as before.  I know
I know .. you don't know those problems yet but I will work with you and
on this list in order to get them hammered out.  Since cdrecord is in
Solaris now I think its fair to open a thread here on it.

>> Now then .. where is this new cdrecord source and will it support dual
>> layer
>> DVD media on my SONY ?
>
> cdrecord supports dual layer since more than a year. It does not yet support
> to define the location for the layer break.

Well, not on this SONY DVD dual layer drive.  But we can work on that.
Let me cook up the new code here and we can look at it.

Dennis






From hmdijkstra at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 00:26:42 2006
From: hmdijkstra at gmail.com (Harmen)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:26:42 PDT
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re:  Most advanced OS on the planet
In-Reply-To: <44A64412.nail58911CPWJ@burner>
Message-ID: <19260066.1151911632144.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>

Well, I'm sorry, but I am not trying to mount empty CD-RW media here. Eventhough I'm new to Solaris, I am not new to unix, so I knew that man can't mount empty discs.

I downloaded Sunstudio 11 to this particular disk on some internetconnected machine and wanted to install this on Solaris. But Solaris choked on this disk and another CD-RW disk in quite an odd way, in my opinion. It should be possible to eject the disc without using cdrecord. It shouldn't be the case that the device comes into a 'not ready state' just because it has a disc on board which it doesn't  recognize. When that does happen though, the machine must be rebooted, before the device returns to "ready state", now, this is hardly advanced to my taste. 

Anyway, the workaround was that I transfered the data on a windows machine and wrote it back to a DVD+RW disk (Philips), which Solaris recognized just fine. Thanks for your help. I have to be careful with Solaris.
 
 
This message posted from opensolaris.org


From schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de  Tue Jul  4 02:14:59 2006
From: schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:14:59 +0200
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re:  Most advanced OS on the planet
In-Reply-To: <60572.69.158.186.103.1151847643.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
References: <20024130.1151658200336.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<44A50657.nail4JK31Y9A5@burner>
	<3945.206.172.224.155.1151680353.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44A549C2.nail4WC12MU51@burner>
	<61174.70.50.140.52.1151688981.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44A7A7DA.nail5OD21USXL@burner>
	<60572.69.158.186.103.1151847643.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
Message-ID: <44AA3193.nail6UZ29OT2H@burner>

"Dennis Clarke" <dclarke at blastwave.org> wrote:

> > I am not sure what you are talking about.
> > I only remenber that you did write about problems but did not report
> > what kind of problem you had...
>
> Hey, we were echanging emails and code bits back and forth and you asked
> me to change a few lines and then run my smake again.  Don't recall ?

I do no longer remember what I send you but I remember that I did never receice 
a reply.

> Regardless .. I just looked in :
>
>   ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/
>
>   and I have the latest code.
>
>   I will cook up a new version here and see what happens with the DVD+R/DL
> but I highly suspect that I will have the same problems as before.  I know
> I know .. you don't know those problems yet but I will work with you and
> on this list in order to get them hammered out.  Since cdrecord is in
> Solaris now I think its fair to open a thread here on it.
>
> >> Now then .. where is this new cdrecord source and will it support dual
> >> layer
> >> DVD media on my SONY ?
> >
> > cdrecord supports dual layer since more than a year. It does not yet support
> > to define the location for the layer break.
>
> Well, not on this SONY DVD dual layer drive.  But we can work on that.
> Let me cook up the new code here and we can look at it.

If you don't send a useful report that allows me to understand where the 
problem may be located, I cannot help.

http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/problems.html

J?rg

-- 
 EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
       js at cs.tu-berlin.de                (uni)  
       schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de     (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
 URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily


From schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de  Tue Jul  4 03:35:45 2006
From: schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 12:35:45 +0200
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re:  Most advanced OS on the planet
In-Reply-To: <19260066.1151911632144.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
References: <19260066.1151911632144.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
Message-ID: <44AA4481.nail7D72FZF1C@burner>

Harmen <hmdijkstra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, I'm sorry, but I am not trying to mount empty CD-RW media here. Eventhough I'm new to Solaris, I am not new to unix, so I knew that man can't mount empty discs.
>
> I downloaded Sunstudio 11 to this particular disk on some internetconnected machine and wanted to install this on Solaris. But Solaris choked on this disk and another CD-RW disk in quite an odd way, in my opinion. It should be possible to eject the disc without using cdrecord. It shouldn't be the case that the device comes into a 'not ready state' just because it has a disc on board which it doesn't  recognize. When that does happen though, the machine must be rebooted, before the device returns to "ready state", now, this is hardly advanced to my taste. 

If you did not write the CD-RW in a way that allows your local drive
to recognise it as already written, you cannot blame Solaris for this
problem.

J?rg

-- 
 EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
       js at cs.tu-berlin.de                (uni)  
       schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de     (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
 URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily


From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM  Wed Jul  5 02:51:21 2006
From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:51:21 +0200
Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] Google Analytics for
	opensolaris.org
In-Reply-To: <20060628150914.GE141079@eng.sun.com>
References: <44A27E50.1010101@Sun.COM> <20060628150914.GE141079@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <44AB8B99.8060606@sun.com>

Hi,

I'm using Omniture and it is *very good* but it also costs monay. 

Martin, were there any specific site stats that you were interested in 
seeing that are not currently published to

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/latest/

?

regards

Patrick

Stephen Hahn wrote:

>* Martin Man <Martin.Man at SUN.COM> [2006-06-28 06:05]:
>  
>
>>Are we interested in gaining some usage statistics of opensolaris.org 
>>via Google Analytics? (google.com/analytics). It gives you the geo 
>>visits, new vs. returning users, what search terms are people using to 
>>end up at osol.org, where are they clicking the most, etc?
>>    
>>
>
>  The site is currently using Omniture for its web analytics, but I
>  would be happy to consider alternatives.  There was one open source
>  example I saw that would display statistics as an overlay, which was
>  pretty slick...
>
>  - Stephen
>
>  
>






From rich.teer at rite-group.com  Thu Jul  6 19:18:35 2006
From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:18:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re:  Most advanced OS on the planet
In-Reply-To: <61174.70.50.140.52.1151688981.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
References: <20024130.1151658200336.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<44A50657.nail4JK31Y9A5@burner>
	<3945.206.172.224.155.1151680353.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44A549C2.nail4WC12MU51@burner>
	<61174.70.50.140.52.1151688981.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.64.0607061918010.12668@marrakesh>

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Dennis Clarke wrote:

> ps: send your mailing address to Sara Dornsife, she is looking for you and
> its a Friday before a long weekend.  If you are not fast I will give her
> your address in Kelona, British Columbia.

A fine idea--I could always use a few more Sun T shirts!  :-)

-- 
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member

President,
Rite Online Inc.

Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich


From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM  Sun Jul 16 03:45:46 2006
From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:45:46 +0200
Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated community metrics
In-Reply-To: <448F011A.9050009@sun.com>
References: <448F011A.9050009@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44BA18DA.5000805@sun.com>

ALl,

Updated metrics are here:

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/latest/

regards

Patrick


From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM  Mon Jul 17 11:51:33 2006
From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:51:33 -0400
Subject: [osol-mktg] [Fwd: [Fwd: 10 GbE on T2000 running Ubuntu]]
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From jamesd.wi at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 15:31:11 2006
From: jamesd.wi at gmail.com (James Dickens)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:31:11 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] Got my prize package.
Message-ID: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Just wanted to let you know, and say thanks, that I my   opensolaris
nomination prize packet with the uber cool "space pen" that was
quickly confiscated by my wife.


Thanks again

James
uadmin.blogspot.com


From sks at cvok.co.uk  Tue Jul 18 16:44:54 2006
From: sks at cvok.co.uk (Sean Sprague)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:44:54 +0100
Subject: [osol-mktg] Got my prize package.
In-Reply-To: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44BD7276.6050907@cvok.co.uk>

Hey James!

> Just wanted to let you know, and say thanks, that I my   opensolaris
> nomination prize packet with the uber cool "space pen" that was
> quickly confiscated by my wife.

Would you please put up a photo of the pen somewhere, so that we can all be jealous? ;-)

Thanks... Sean.


From rich.teer at rite-group.com  Tue Jul 18 17:21:25 2006
From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:21:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [osol-mktg] Got my prize package.
In-Reply-To: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.64.0607181719380.11930@marrakesh>

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, James Dickens wrote:

> Just wanted to let you know, and say thanks, that I my   opensolaris
> nomination prize packet with the uber cool "space pen" that was

Mine too (on Friday, I think)--I'm wearing the T shirt right now.

> quickly confiscated by my wife.

Alas, being a judge in the competition means that I didn't get a
pen to get confiscated.  But doubtless if I *did* get one, The
Boss would have taken it without as much as a "by your leave"!  :-)

-- 
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member

President,
Rite Online Inc.

Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich


From rich.teer at rite-group.com  Tue Jul 18 17:22:55 2006
From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:22:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [osol-mktg] Got my prize package.
In-Reply-To: <44BD7276.6050907@cvok.co.uk>
References: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
	<44BD7276.6050907@cvok.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.64.0607181722430.11930@marrakesh>

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Sean Sprague wrote:

> Would you please put up a photo of the pen somewhere, so that we can all be
> jealous? ;-)

+1!

-- 
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member

President,
Rite Online Inc.

Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich


From jamesd.wi at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 18:07:46 2006
From: jamesd.wi at gmail.com (James Dickens)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:07:46 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] Got my prize package.
In-Reply-To: <44BD7276.6050907@cvok.co.uk>
References: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
	<44BD7276.6050907@cvok.co.uk>
Message-ID: <cd09bdd10607181807k2375d49dud561fe5560612878@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/18/06, Sean Sprague <sks at cvok.co.uk> wrote:
> Hey James!
>
> > Just wanted to let you know, and say thanks, that I my   opensolaris
> > nomination prize packet with the uber cool "space pen" that was
> > quickly confiscated by my wife.
>
> Would you please put up a photo of the pen somewhere, so that we can all be jealous? ;-)
>
okay i pryed the pen out of my wife's hand for a breif photo, yes my
cell phone camera SUCKS!.

you can see it at

http://unixconsult.org/spacepen.jpg

James Dickens
uadmin.blogspot.com


> Thanks... Sean.
>


From sks at cvok.co.uk  Tue Jul 18 18:25:18 2006
From: sks at cvok.co.uk (Sean Sprague)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:25:18 +0100
Subject: [osol-mktg] Got my prize package.
In-Reply-To: <cd09bdd10607181807k2375d49dud561fe5560612878@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>	
	<44BD7276.6050907@cvok.co.uk>
	<cd09bdd10607181807k2375d49dud561fe5560612878@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44BD89FE.2050909@cvok.co.uk>

James!

> On 7/18/06, Sean Sprague <sks at cvok.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hey James!
>>
>> > Just wanted to let you know, and say thanks, that I my   opensolaris
>> > nomination prize packet with the uber cool "space pen" that was
>> > quickly confiscated by my wife.
>>
>> Would you please put up a photo of the pen somewhere, so that we can 
>> all be jealous? ;-)
>>
> okay i pryed the pen out of my wife's hand for a breif photo, yes my
> cell phone camera SUCKS!.

Thanks for that. And yes; that was a pretty poor effort on the part of the camera ;-(

Bah... Sean.



From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM  Tue Jul 18 19:11:06 2006
From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:11:06 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] Got my prize package.
In-Reply-To: <44BD89FE.2050909@cvok.co.uk>
References: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
	<44BD7276.6050907@cvok.co.uk>
	<cd09bdd10607181807k2375d49dud561fe5560612878@mail.gmail.com>
	<44BD89FE.2050909@cvok.co.uk>
Message-ID: <44BD94BA.7040903@sun.com>

I'm a big fan of the space pen and would have taken one from my husband 
as well. Thanks for posting the image, but it's a little hard to make 
out. Based on the perspective of the full size astronauts, it is larger 
then I thought it would be....

I must say though, the laptop stickers rock. :)
Sara


Sean Sprague wrote:
> James!
> 
>> On 7/18/06, Sean Sprague <sks at cvok.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Hey James!
>>>
>>> > Just wanted to let you know, and say thanks, that I my   opensolaris
>>> > nomination prize packet with the uber cool "space pen" that was
>>> > quickly confiscated by my wife.
>>>
>>> Would you please put up a photo of the pen somewhere, so that we can 
>>> all be jealous? ;-)
>>>
>> okay i pryed the pen out of my wife's hand for a breif photo, yes my
>> cell phone camera SUCKS!.
> 
> Thanks for that. And yes; that was a pretty poor effort on the part of 
> the camera ;-(
> 
> Bah... Sean.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-mktg mailing list
> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org


From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 01:34:46 2006
From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:34:46 +0100
Subject: [osol-mktg] Got my prize package.
In-Reply-To: <cd09bdd10607181807k2375d49dud561fe5560612878@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
	<44BD7276.6050907@cvok.co.uk>
	<cd09bdd10607181807k2375d49dud561fe5560612878@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1153298086.11129.1.camel@haiiro>

James Dickens wrote:
> you can see it at
> 
> http://unixconsult.org/spacepen.jpg

I've another on a blog post from yesterday -
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/timf?entry=thanks

  - my missus also likes the pen (like me, the first thing she tried to 
do was write upside down with it) and she quite likes the t-shirt too, 
though thankfully she won't be able to steal it until sometime after 
Sept. 21st :-)

Oh, the laptop stickers are excellent as well - so if anyone wants one 
in a hurry, flights to Dublin on July 25th (for the IEOSUG meeting) are
?29 from London!

	cheers,
			tim
-- 
Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group
Engineering Operations            http://blogs.sun.com/timf




From spp at unixsa.net  Wed Jul 19 08:42:22 2006
From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:42:22 PDT
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Got my prize package.
In-Reply-To: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21695818.1153323772355.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>

My arrived last night as well.  My wife tried to steal my pen, but I told her no.
It all looks great, thanks!

-spp
 
 
This message posted from opensolaris.org


From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 14:22:09 2006
From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:22:09 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] Home page graphic redesign proposal
Message-ID: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com>

The anniversary graphic has been up for over a month now. It is time to 
change that graphic out, but I personally don't want to go back to the 
graphic that had been up there since we launched a year ago (however 
much I liked the graphic).

I'd like to propose that we open up the design of the opensolaris.org 
home page graphic to the community. This is not a redesign of the home 
page, but of the graphic at the top of the page.

I suggest that we take down the anniversary graphic as soon as possible 
(maybe some time next week) and replace it with a 
we-are-taking-submissions-for-a-new-home-page-graphic graphic and have 
it link off to a page (I will create) that lists the rules, deadlines, 
and voting process.

If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so that 
people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the most 
votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up there for 6 
months to a year.

Let's move this conversation over to website-discuss and work out the 
rest of the details there if people agree that they want to do this. We 
can decide by the end of this week if this is the path we want to take.
Sara




From moazam at unixville.com  Wed Jul 19 14:31:30 2006
From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:31:30 -0700
Subject: [osol-mktg] Home page graphic redesign proposal
In-Reply-To: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com>
Message-ID: <B483B7AF-10D4-430F-A8B9-7A5EB1ED0C10@unixville.com>

Sara, sorry for not being around. Work, moving my residence, and  
OSCON have me 200% occupied. :(

Sure, you are more than welcome to post a poll over on unixville.com.

-Moazam

On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:

> The anniversary graphic has been up for over a month now. It is  
> time to change that graphic out, but I personally don't want to go  
> back to the graphic that had been up there since we launched a year  
> ago (however much I liked the graphic).
>
> I'd like to propose that we open up the design of the  
> opensolaris.org home page graphic to the community. This is not a  
> redesign of the home page, but of the graphic at the top of the page.
>
> I suggest that we take down the anniversary graphic as soon as  
> possible (maybe some time next week) and replace it with a we-are- 
> taking-submissions-for-a-new-home-page-graphic graphic and have it  
> link off to a page (I will create) that lists the rules, deadlines,  
> and voting process.
>
> If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so  
> that people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the  
> most votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up  
> there for 6 months to a year.
>
> Let's move this conversation over to website-discuss and work out  
> the rest of the details there if people agree that they want to do  
> this. We can decide by the end of this week if this is the path we  
> want to take.
> Sara
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-mktg mailing list
> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org



From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 14:47:33 2006
From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:47:33 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] Home page graphic redesign proposal
In-Reply-To: <B483B7AF-10D4-430F-A8B9-7A5EB1ED0C10@unixville.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com>
	<B483B7AF-10D4-430F-A8B9-7A5EB1ED0C10@unixville.com>
Message-ID: <44BEA875.2080209@sun.com>

Thanks and see you next week.
Sara


Moazam Raja wrote:
> Sara, sorry for not being around. Work, moving my residence, and OSCON 
> have me 200% occupied. :(
> 
> Sure, you are more than welcome to post a poll over on unixville.com.
> 
> -Moazam
> 
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
> 
>> The anniversary graphic has been up for over a month now. It is time 
>> to change that graphic out, but I personally don't want to go back to 
>> the graphic that had been up there since we launched a year ago 
>> (however much I liked the graphic).
>>
>> I'd like to propose that we open up the design of the opensolaris.org 
>> home page graphic to the community. This is not a redesign of the home 
>> page, but of the graphic at the top of the page.
>>
>> I suggest that we take down the anniversary graphic as soon as 
>> possible (maybe some time next week) and replace it with a 
>> we-are-taking-submissions-for-a-new-home-page-graphic graphic and have 
>> it link off to a page (I will create) that lists the rules, deadlines, 
>> and voting process.
>>
>> If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so 
>> that people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the 
>> most votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up 
>> there for 6 months to a year.
>>
>> Let's move this conversation over to website-discuss and work out the 
>> rest of the details there if people agree that they want to do this. 
>> We can decide by the end of this week if this is the path we want to 
>> take.
>> Sara
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list
>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org
> 


From dp at eng.sun.com  Wed Jul 19 15:03:09 2006
From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:03:09 -0700
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com>
Message-ID: <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>

On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 04:22PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
> 
> If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so that 
> people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the most 
> votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up there for 6 
> months to a year.

I abhor judging art by voting.

        -dp

-- 
Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp


From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 16:02:56 2006
From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:02:56 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <44BEBA20.7090802@sun.com>

Do you have another suggestion for how to choose?
Sara


Dan Price wrote:
> On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 04:22PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>> If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so that 
>> people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the most 
>> votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up there for 6 
>> months to a year.
> 
> I abhor judging art by voting.
> 
>         -dp
> 


From dp at eng.sun.com  Wed Jul 19 16:04:16 2006
From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:04:16 -0700
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <44BEBA20.7090802@sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<44BEBA20.7090802@sun.com>
Message-ID: <20060719230416.GO2531@eng.sun.com>

On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 06:02PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
> Do you have another suggestion for how to choose?

How about we ask the team that did the last two graphics (roughly:
Chandan, me, Derek and maybe a person or two I missed) to
select the next one from the set of entries.

        -dp

-- 
Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp


From dp at eng.sun.com  Wed Jul 19 16:06:01 2006
From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:06:01 -0700
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <20060719230416.GO2531@eng.sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<44BEBA20.7090802@sun.com> <20060719230416.GO2531@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20060719230601.GA6526@eng.sun.com>

On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 04:04PM, Dan Price wrote:
> On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 06:02PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
> > Do you have another suggestion for how to choose?
> 
> How about we ask the team that did the last two graphics (roughly:
> Chandan, me, Derek and maybe a person or two I missed) to
> select the next one from the set of entries.

I'd also note that in both of these previous cases, we did a lot
of iterations-- so I think that once something "winning" is picked,
there should be the ability/opportunity to work with the team to make
adjustments.

Also, someone also has to cope with the whole "who owns this intellectual
property" issue, I suppose.

        -dp

-- 
Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp


From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 16:16:32 2006
From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:16:32 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <20060719230601.GA6526@eng.sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<44BEBA20.7090802@sun.com> <20060719230416.GO2531@eng.sun.com>
	<20060719230601.GA6526@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <44BEBD50.3070007@sun.com>

Dan Price wrote:
> On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 04:04PM, Dan Price wrote:
>> On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 06:02PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>>> Do you have another suggestion for how to choose?
>> How about we ask the team that did the last two graphics (roughly:
>> Chandan, me, Derek and maybe a person or two I missed) to
>> select the next one from the set of entries.

I can see why, if a committee is formed, that the three of you as the 
ones that will be posting and technically working with the artwork woudl 
need to be involved, but who else? Would I get to be on the committee?

> 
> I'd also note that in both of these previous cases, we did a lot
> of iterations-- so I think that once something "winning" is picked,
> there should be the ability/opportunity to work with the team to make
> adjustments.

Good point. We will have to build something in to the process to 
accommodate.

> 
> Also, someone also has to cope with the whole "who owns this intellectual
> property" issue, I suppose.

Copyright could be an issue. All of the art needs to be free and clear.

> 
>         -dp
> 


From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 16:28:10 2006
From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:28:10 -0400
Subject: [osol-mktg] Home page graphic redesign proposal
In-Reply-To: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44BEC00A.7080201@sun.com>


About 2 hours before this message, I suggested a graphic--
A tag cloud that is populated with community interest.
It's not hard to do.

See:


http://del.icio.us/help/tagrolls


LKR


Sara Dornsife wrote:

> The anniversary graphic has been up for over a month now. It is time 
> to change that graphic out, but I personally don't want to go back to 
> the graphic that had been up there since we launched a year ago 
> (however much I liked the graphic).
>
> I'd like to propose that we open up the design of the opensolaris.org 
> home page graphic to the community. This is not a redesign of the home 
> page, but of the graphic at the top of the page.
>
> I suggest that we take down the anniversary graphic as soon as 
> possible (maybe some time next week) and replace it with a 
> we-are-taking-submissions-for-a-new-home-page-graphic graphic and have 
> it link off to a page (I will create) that lists the rules, deadlines, 
> and voting process.
>
> If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so 
> that people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the 
> most votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up 
> there for 6 months to a year.
>
> Let's move this conversation over to website-discuss and work out the 
> rest of the details there if people agree that they want to do this. 
> We can decide by the end of this week if this is the path we want to 
> take.
> Sara
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-mktg mailing list
> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org





From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 16:31:02 2006
From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:31:02 -0400
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <44BEC0B6.9050608@sun.com>

Dan Price wrote:

>On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 04:22PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>  
>
>>If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so that 
>>people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the most 
>>votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up there for 6 
>>months to a year.
>>    
>>
>
>I abhor judging art by voting.
>
>        -dp
>
>  
>
Judging art is never a good thing.
LKR

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From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 16:38:15 2006
From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:38:15 -0400
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <20060719230416.GO2531@eng.sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<44BEBA20.7090802@sun.com> <20060719230416.GO2531@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <44BEC267.90009@sun.com>

Dan Price wrote:

>On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 06:02PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>  
>
>>Do you have another suggestion for how to choose?
>>    
>>
>
>How about we ask the team that did the last two graphics (roughly:
>Chandan, me, Derek and maybe a person or two I missed) to
>select the next one from the set of entries.
>
>        -dp
>
>  
>

 
A tag cloud that is populated with community interest.
It's not hard to do.

See:


http://del.icio.us/help/tagrolls


LKR


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From James.McPherson at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 15:47:14 2006
From: James.McPherson at Sun.COM (James C. McPherson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:47:14 +1000
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Home page
 graphic redesign proposal
In-Reply-To: <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <44BEB672.1000103@Sun.COM>

Dan Price wrote:
> On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 04:22PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>> If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so that 
>> people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the most 
>> votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up there for 6 
>> months to a year.
> 
> I abhor judging art by voting.

I don't know much about art, but I know it when I see it

:-)

James C. McPherson
--
Solaris Datapath Engineering
Storage Division
Sun Microsystems


From dclarke at blastwave.org  Wed Jul 19 18:54:34 2006
From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:54:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign 
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
Message-ID: <60384.70.53.63.218.1153360474.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>


> On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 04:22PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>>
>> If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so that
>> people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the most
>> votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up there for 6
>> months to a year.
>
> I abhor judging art by voting.
>

If you open this up to outside non-Sun people like me than you had
better be prepared for some jerk to submit something entirely
stupid.  Like "fast safe open and free, open for you, open for me!"
complete with a silly jingle and a dance.  :-)

I'll start my submission with a graphic theme that speaks to the "lets
build it step by step and piece by piece to create a masterpiece".

You have seen my previous artwork at :

   http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0052/index.html

So for something less intense and yet on target with the theme I
will go for a mixture of MC Escher hands that draw themselves and
a paint by numbers of "Melting Dogs Playing Poker" by Salvador Dali.

  Yes, that will be oh so very tasteful :-)

Dennis



From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 19 19:40:18 2006
From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:40:18 -0400
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <60384.70.53.63.218.1153360474.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<60384.70.53.63.218.1153360474.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
Message-ID: <44BEED12.1060404@sun.com>


Or, a tagcloud. That would be visually appealing, educational, community 
driven.

LKR


Dennis Clarke wrote:

>>On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 04:22PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so that
>>>people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the most
>>>votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up there for 6
>>>months to a year.
>>>      
>>>
>>I abhor judging art by voting.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>If you open this up to outside non-Sun people like me than you had
>better be prepared for some jerk to submit something entirely
>stupid.  Like "fast safe open and free, open for you, open for me!"
>complete with a silly jingle and a dance.  :-)
>
>I'll start my submission with a graphic theme that speaks to the "lets
>build it step by step and piece by piece to create a masterpiece".
>
>You have seen my previous artwork at :
>
>   http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0052/index.html
>
>So for something less intense and yet on target with the theme I
>will go for a mixture of MC Escher hands that draw themselves and
>a paint by numbers of "Melting Dogs Playing Poker" by Salvador Dali.
>
>  Yes, that will be oh so very tasteful :-)
>
>Dennis
>
>_______________________________________________
>opensolaris-mktg mailing list
>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org
>  
>

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From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM  Thu Jul 20 01:01:48 2006
From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:01:48 +0200
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <44BEC0B6.9050608@sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<44BEC0B6.9050608@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44BF386C.4040307@sun.com>


This isn't Dead Poets Society!  We're talking about picking a graphic for OpenSolaris.org.
:)

If we want to allow the community more of a role, why not let the community vote for the 
artist based on a submission of previous work, and let the chosen artist work with the 
committee Dan suggested to come up with the final piece?



Patrick


Laura Ramsey wrote:
> Dan Price wrote:
> 
>>On Wed 19 Jul 2006 at 04:22PM, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>If *Moazam* will allow us to, we can create a poll on Unixville so that 
>>>people can vote for their favorite design. The design with the most 
>>>votes will go live on or about Aug 11th-ish and will stay up there for 6 
>>>months to a year.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>I abhor judging art by voting.
>>
>>        -dp
>>
>>  
>>
> Judging art is never a good thing.
> LKR
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-mktg mailing list
> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org


From Alan.DuBoff at Sun.Com  Wed Jul 19 19:38:49 2006
From: Alan.DuBoff at Sun.Com (Alan DuBoff)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:38:49 -0700
Subject: [osol-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page
	graphic redesign proposal
In-Reply-To: <60384.70.53.63.218.1153360474.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<60384.70.53.63.218.1153360474.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
Message-ID: <200607191938.49452.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com>

On Wednesday 19 July 2006 06:54 pm, Dennis Clarke wrote:
> If you open this up to outside non-Sun people like me than you had
> better be prepared for some jerk to submit something entirely
> stupid.  Like "fast safe open and free, open for you, open for me!"
> complete with a silly jingle and a dance.  :-)

Quoted For Truth! <LOL!>

-- 

Alan DuBoff - Sun Microsystems
Solaris x86 Engineering - IHV/OEM Group




From venky.tv at sun.com  Thu Jul 20 06:16:16 2006
From: venky.tv at sun.com (Venky)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:46:16 +0530
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <44BEED12.1060404@sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<60384.70.53.63.218.1153360474.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44BEED12.1060404@sun.com>
Message-ID: <20060720131615.GO16727@india.sun.com>

> Or, a tagcloud. That would be visually appealing, educational, community 
> driven.

Okay, okay!  +1 for the tagcloud! :)

Venky.


From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM  Thu Jul 20 06:59:34 2006
From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:59:34 -0400
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <20060720131615.GO16727@india.sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<60384.70.53.63.218.1153360474.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44BEED12.1060404@sun.com> <20060720131615.GO16727@india.sun.com>
Message-ID: <44BF8C46.4070403@sun.com>


Somebody heard me!
Thank you Venky!

LKR


Venky wrote:

>>Or, a tagcloud. That would be visually appealing, educational, community 
>>driven.
>>    
>>
>
>Okay, okay!  +1 for the tagcloud! :)
>
>Venky.
>_______________________________________________
>opensolaris-mktg mailing list
>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org
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From stephen.harpster at sun.com  Thu Jul 20 14:23:43 2006
From: stephen.harpster at sun.com (Stephen Harpster)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:23:43 PDT
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
Message-ID: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>

Are you folks familiar with the
<a href="http://counter.li.org/">Linux Counter</a> or
<a href="http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/">Ubuntu Counter</a>?
I'm wondering if there's an interest in having an OpenSolaris version....??
 
 
This message posted from opensolaris.org


From rich.teer at rite-group.com  Thu Jul 20 14:30:22 2006
From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:30:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
In-Reply-To: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
References: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.64.0607201429320.20205@marrakesh>

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Stephen Harpster wrote:

> Are you folks familiar with the
> <a href="http://counter.li.org/">Linux Counter</a> or
> <a href="http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/">Ubuntu Counter</a>?
> I'm wondering if there's an interest in having an OpenSolaris version....??

I've long thought that such a thing would be a good idea.  That and
"Registered Solaris User #nnnnn".  It's great grass-roots stuff.

-- 
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member

President,
Rite Online Inc.

Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich


From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM  Thu Jul 20 18:22:37 2006
From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:22:37 -0500
Subject: [osol-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page
	graphic redesign proposal
In-Reply-To: <20060720131615.GO16727@india.sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<60384.70.53.63.218.1153360474.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44BEED12.1060404@sun.com> <20060720131615.GO16727@india.sun.com>
Message-ID: <44C02C5D.7000203@sun.com>

If this proposal is approved by website-discuss then the tagcloud design 
could be submitted for approval.
Sara


Venky wrote:
>> Or, a tagcloud. That would be visually appealing, educational, community 
>> driven.
> 
> Okay, okay!  +1 for the tagcloud! :)
> 
> Venky.
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-discuss mailing list
> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org


From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM  Thu Jul 20 18:38:29 2006
From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:38:29 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.64.0607201429320.20205@marrakesh>
References: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<Pine.SOL.4.64.0607201429320.20205@marrakesh>
Message-ID: <44C03015.7050209@sun.com>

Rich Teer wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Stephen Harpster wrote:
> 
>> Are you folks familiar with the
>> <a href="http://counter.li.org/">Linux Counter</a> or
>> <a href="http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/">Ubuntu Counter</a>?
>> I'm wondering if there's an interest in having an OpenSolaris version....??
> 
> I've long thought that such a thing would be a good idea.  That and
> "Registered Solaris User #nnnnn".  It's great grass-roots stuff.
> 
It's a really cool idea. How do we encourage such a grassroots project?
Sara


From rich.teer at rite-group.com  Thu Jul 20 19:37:55 2006
From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:37:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
In-Reply-To: <44C03015.7050209@sun.com>
References: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<Pine.SOL.4.64.0607201429320.20205@marrakesh>
	<44C03015.7050209@sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.64.0607201934500.20861@marrakesh>

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Sara Dornsife wrote:

> It's a really cool idea. How do we encourage such a grassroots project?

Dunno what (if any) inscentives could be offered.  I imagine if
the process was simple enough and plugged, word of mouth do the
job.  That and putting "Registered OpenSolaris user #nnn" in one's
signature.

The programming required would be trivial: a simple database table
with two or three columns (number, name, and optionally email addr)
would probably do the trick.  Oh, and maybe a datestamp.

-- 
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member

President,
Rite Online Inc.

Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich


From derek.cicero at sun.com  Fri Jul 21 14:24:09 2006
From: derek.cicero at sun.com (Derek Cicero)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:24:09 -0700
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [website-discuss] Home page graphic redesign
	proposal
In-Reply-To: <44C02C5D.7000203@sun.com>
References: <44BEA281.7030805@sun.com> <20060719220309.GI2531@eng.sun.com>
	<60384.70.53.63.218.1153360474.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org>
	<44BEED12.1060404@sun.com> <20060720131615.GO16727@india.sun.com>
	<44C02C5D.7000203@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44C145F9.30209@sun.com>

I looked at the tag cloud on del.icio.us and I am confused. I see the 
tag could for OpenSolaris, but I can't publish the cloud *to* 
OpenSolaris. I am also not sure how helpful it is to have links on the 
homepage that drive everybody off of the site.

Or are you are proposing we create a tag could *like* that one and link 
to various places within our site? That might work. Do people like/use 
tag clouds? I can't say that I ever really notice them, but I may be in 
the minority.

As for the artwork selection process, my first questions is 'how many 
people intend to actual submit something?'

If we are going to wind up 3-5 total contributions anyway, it would seem 
that making a heavyweight voting process is unnecessary. I would say 
that anybody that is interested in submitting something should let us 
know by Wed. Everyone would then have X days to make their submission 
and then we would vote. If it's easier to keep the vote to a few people 
then I volunteer for that task.

Also, while I agree that voting on art generally leads to something 
boring, we are really only talking about a small 500 x 130 homepage 
graphic, not a page or site redesign. If submitters try and work within 
the basic look and feel of the site, they should be fine.

My main position is that we should try and have a little fun with this 
and I would personally rather have a rotation of community produced art 
that is serviceable than have the same image up there for a year 
straight (although I think Chandan's original piece was great).

Sorry for the stream-of-consciousness It's Friday. ;)

Derek

Sara Dornsife wrote:

> If this proposal is approved by website-discuss then the tagcloud 
> design could be submitted for approval.
> Sara
>
>
> Venky wrote:
>
>>> Or, a tagcloud. That would be visually appealing, educational, 
>>> community driven.
>>
>>
>> Okay, okay!  +1 for the tagcloud! :)
>>
>> Venky.
>> _______________________________________________
>> opensolaris-discuss mailing list
>> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-discuss mailing list
> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org
>



-- 
Derek Cicero
Program Manager
Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division


From Martin.Man at Sun.COM  Sat Jul 22 04:55:10 2006
From: Martin.Man at Sun.COM (Martin Man)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:55:10 +0200
Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] Google Analytics for
	opensolaris.org
In-Reply-To: <44AB8B99.8060606@sun.com>
References: <44A27E50.1010101@Sun.COM> <20060628150914.GE141079@eng.sun.com>
	<44AB8B99.8060606@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44C2121E.7010209@sun.com>

Hi Patrick,

[ sorry for late reply, have been enjoying my vacations ]

Patrick Finch napsal(a):
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using Omniture and it is *very good* but it also costs monay.
> Martin, were there any specific site stats that you were interested in
> seeing that are not currently published to
> 
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/latest/

perhaps the list of most popular URLs

I have compared the latest metrics currently published @osol.org with
what google analytics provides and there is the list of differences

  - GA has got "site overlay" where you can see what the people click
    and how often, I'm using it to analyze layout of my pages

  - GA has got more detailed location info

  - GA provides top 5 entrances and top 5 exists (kind of most
    popular URLs)

  - Omniture OTOH tracks the osol registrations and forum postings

> ?
> 
> regards
> Patrick

just my .2 cents
Martin

P.S. it's not that I'm saying Omniture is bad, just that I use GA and
find it nice and useful


From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM  Tue Jul 25 07:07:44 2006
From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:07:44 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] OSCon in Portland this week and orange tshirts
Message-ID: <44C625B0.7030002@sun.com>

I'm nervous about even saying it, because I haven't opened the box to 
see what they look like, but I have a few of the orange tshirts here to 
give away. If you want one, come by the booth or ask for me there.

And yes, the orange shirts are done, again, I haven't seen them yet, and 
they will be available for sale soon. I'll send a notice out.
Sara


From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM  Tue Jul 25 09:28:10 2006
From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:28:10 -0700
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
In-Reply-To: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
References: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
Message-ID: <44C6469A.2070001@sun.com>

Hey,

Stephen Harpster wrote:
> Are you folks familiar with the
> <a href="http://counter.li.org/">Linux Counter</a> or
> <a href="http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/">Ubuntu Counter</a>?
> I'm wondering if there's an interest in having an OpenSolaris version....??

And coupled with that, I'd *love* to see an open community hardware
database of the various configurations that people are running
OpenSolaris on [1]. Nexenta have already ported Ubuntu's hardware
utility for uploading configurations to the web - it gives a great
opportunity for people to browse through it, and see what bits and
pieces people have successfully been running on.


Glynn

[1] And *no* this would be quite different to the HWCL that's currently
    on sun.com


From rmilkowski at task.gda.pl  Wed Jul 26 15:17:28 2006
From: rmilkowski at task.gda.pl (Robert Milkowski)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:17:28 +0200
Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Got my prize package.
In-Reply-To: <21695818.1153323772355.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
References: <cd09bdd10607181531v6bc81227i5c503b97bf0b8f65@mail.gmail.com>
	<21695818.1153323772355.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
Message-ID: <297538336.20060727001728@task.gda.pl>

Hello,

      And I've got my goodies delivered to me too!
Thank you! The pen is really great! Something different - great idea!



-- 
Best regards,
 Robert                            mailto:rmilkowski at task.gda.pl
                                       http://milek.blogspot.com



From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM  Fri Jul 28 06:39:49 2006
From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:39:49 -0700
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
In-Reply-To: <44C6469A.2070001@sun.com>
References: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<44C6469A.2070001@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44CA13A5.1030506@sun.com>

Hey,

FWIW, this came up during our BOF 'Open Source and Sun' session at OSCON
[1] - people wanted to know what sort of hardware configuration was
needed to install OpenSolaris. A lot of the time, the non-availability
of this information stopped them from downloading the ISOs. On top of
this, it also seems that people are still confused about how to get it,
what the various release cycles are, and how they can keep their machine
up to date from a patch point of view.


Glynn

[1] Will try to blog about the week's events soon...

Glynn Foster wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Stephen Harpster wrote:
>> Are you folks familiar with the
>> <a href="http://counter.li.org/">Linux Counter</a> or
>> <a href="http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/">Ubuntu Counter</a>?
>> I'm wondering if there's an interest in having an OpenSolaris version....??
> 
> And coupled with that, I'd *love* to see an open community hardware
> database of the various configurations that people are running
> OpenSolaris on [1]. Nexenta have already ported Ubuntu's hardware
> utility for uploading configurations to the web - it gives a great
> opportunity for people to browse through it, and see what bits and
> pieces people have successfully been running on.
> 
> 
> Glynn
> 
> [1] And *no* this would be quite different to the HWCL that's currently
>     on sun.com



From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM  Sun Jul 30 19:24:57 2006
From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:24:57 +0900
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
In-Reply-To: <44CA13A5.1030506@sun.com>
References: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<44C6469A.2070001@sun.com> <44CA13A5.1030506@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44CD69F9.3040608@sun.com>

Glynn Foster wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> FWIW, this came up during our BOF 'Open Source and Sun' session at OSCON
> [1] - people wanted to know what sort of hardware configuration was
> needed to install OpenSolaris. A lot of the time, the non-availability
> of this information stopped them from downloading the ISOs. On top of
> this, it also seems that people are still confused about how to get it,
> what the various release cycles are, and how they can keep their machine
> up to date from a patch point of view.
> 
> 
> Glynn
> 
> [1] Will try to blog about the week's events soon...


Nice write up, Glynn: http://www.gnome.org/~gman/blog/28072006

I see Stephen O'Grady hinted about interesting conversations in the Sun 
Open Source BOF: http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/001979.html
He seems to be holding back here, though. :)

It seems that we are all finding that people outside the OpenSolaris 
community are generally positive about the whole thing and are thirsty 
for really basic information to get involved but that the lack of 
information is many times getting in the way. Or confused messaging from 
Sun is getting in the way. We can't control what Sun says, but we can 
certainly improve the information we offer about OpenSolaris, and I like 
the suggestions you offer in your blog. The booth comments were 
particularly interesting.

I really believe the situation we are in is normal, and represents a 
opportunity for us all to communicate more, hold more events ourselves, 
participate at more industry events, etc. It takes a lot of time, but I 
think you guys at OSCON did a great job.

Thanks,

Jim






From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM  Sun Jul 30 20:00:02 2006
From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:00:02 -0700
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
In-Reply-To: <44CD69F9.3040608@sun.com>
References: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<44C6469A.2070001@sun.com> <44CA13A5.1030506@sun.com>
	<44CD69F9.3040608@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44CD7232.2020806@sun.com>

Hey,

Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>> [1] Will try to blog about the week's events soon...
> 
> 
> Nice write up, Glynn: http://www.gnome.org/~gman/blog/28072006

Oh, I haven't finished yet - that's just blog 1 of 10 or something. I'm
thinking of deep diving on some of them, but just a case of finding some
time...

> I see Stephen O'Grady hinted about interesting conversations in the Sun 
> Open Source BOF: http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/001979.html
> He seems to be holding back here, though. :)

Actually in the beer session I had with him, he sounded pretty positive
about where Sun was at, and indeed most people at the conference had
similar thoughts. They *love* the fact that Sun is trying to reinvent
itself, and definitely feel like we're going the right way. Though
obviously, you have to balance that up with the 'Why didn't they release
it as GPL' types of comments...

> It seems that we are all finding that people outside the OpenSolaris 
> community are generally positive about the whole thing and are thirsty 
> for really basic information to get involved but that the lack of 
> information is many times getting in the way. Or confused messaging from 
> Sun is getting in the way. We can't control what Sun says, but we can 
> certainly improve the information we offer about OpenSolaris, and I like 
> the suggestions you offer in your blog. The booth comments were 
> particularly interesting.

Yeah, a lot of the Sun people who attended feel like we're missing the
train a little bit - it's totally not lost though, and I'm personally
pretty excited about things going forward because we're realizing where
we can do better and not just resting on our laurels.

> I really believe the situation we are in is normal, and represents a 
> opportunity for us all to communicate more, hold more events ourselves, 
> participate at more industry events, etc. It takes a lot of time, but I 
> think you guys at OSCON did a great job.

Yep, absolutely - and looking forward to more discussions while at MPK
this week :)


Glynn


From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM  Sun Jul 30 21:48:54 2006
From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:48:54 +0900
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
In-Reply-To: <44CD7232.2020806@sun.com>
References: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<44C6469A.2070001@sun.com> <44CA13A5.1030506@sun.com>
	<44CD69F9.3040608@sun.com> <44CD7232.2020806@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44CD8BB6.6020409@sun.com>

Glynn Foster wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> 
>>>[1] Will try to blog about the week's events soon...
>>
>>
>>Nice write up, Glynn: http://www.gnome.org/~gman/blog/28072006
> 
> 
> Oh, I haven't finished yet - that's just blog 1 of 10 or something. I'm
> thinking of deep diving on some of them, but just a case of finding some
> time...

Cool. I know Sun sent a lot of people to OSCON, so the more info the 
better. Were there any non-Sun OpenSolaris community people there?


>>I see Stephen O'Grady hinted about interesting conversations in the Sun 
>>Open Source BOF: http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/001979.html
>>He seems to be holding back here, though. :)
> 
> 
> Actually in the beer session I had with him, he sounded pretty positive
> about where Sun was at, and indeed most people at the conference had
> similar thoughts. They *love* the fact that Sun is trying to reinvent
> itself, and definitely feel like we're going the right way. Though
> obviously, you have to balance that up with the 'Why didn't they release
> it as GPL' types of comments...


Yah, he's a good guy with a good feel for what's going on. I'm hoping 
that as we go to more of these conferences the issues with GPL will go 
away and people accept CDDL.



>>It seems that we are all finding that people outside the OpenSolaris 
>>community are generally positive about the whole thing and are thirsty 
>>for really basic information to get involved but that the lack of 
>>information is many times getting in the way. Or confused messaging from 
>>Sun is getting in the way. We can't control what Sun says, but we can 
>>certainly improve the information we offer about OpenSolaris, and I like 
>>the suggestions you offer in your blog. The booth comments were 
>>particularly interesting.
> 
> 
> Yeah, a lot of the Sun people who attended feel like we're missing the
> train a little bit - it's totally not lost though, and I'm personally
> pretty excited about things going forward because we're realizing where
> we can do better and not just resting on our laurels.


Missing the train in what way? Regarding the booth?


>>I really believe the situation we are in is normal, and represents a 
>>opportunity for us all to communicate more, hold more events ourselves, 
>>participate at more industry events, etc. It takes a lot of time, but I 
>>think you guys at OSCON did a great job.
> 
> 
> Yep, absolutely - and looking forward to more discussions while at MPK
> this week :)


Cool. Tell everyone I said hello. Feel free to use my office. It's empty. :)

Jim


From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM  Sun Jul 30 23:31:59 2006
From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:31:59 -0700
Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris counter
In-Reply-To: <44CD8BB6.6020409@sun.com>
References: <27784961.1153430666788.JavaMail.suncom@oss1>
	<44C6469A.2070001@sun.com> <44CA13A5.1030506@sun.com>
	<44CD69F9.3040608@sun.com> <44CD7232.2020806@sun.com>
	<44CD8BB6.6020409@sun.com>
Message-ID: <44CDA3DF.6000005@sun.com>

Hey,

Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Cool. I know Sun sent a lot of people to OSCON, so the more info the 
> better. Were there any non-Sun OpenSolaris community people there?

Unfortunately the one OpenSolaris BOF I went to was were pretty badly
attended, though that might be a reflection that it was on at 7pm, and
maybe people have food to eat, beer to drink, and some networking to do.

That being said, there was interest in OpenSolaris at the booth, and I
think we could have benefited from a lot more DVDs being available
despite the best efforts of Brian, Alan, Channing and co.

Hopefully though, there'll be lots of trip reports in the next couple of
days from all the Sun people who went.

>> Actually in the beer session I had with him, he sounded pretty positive
>> about where Sun was at, and indeed most people at the conference had
>> similar thoughts. They *love* the fact that Sun is trying to reinvent
>> itself, and definitely feel like we're going the right way. Though
>> obviously, you have to balance that up with the 'Why didn't they release
>> it as GPL' types of comments...
> 
> 
> Yah, he's a good guy with a good feel for what's going on. I'm hoping 
> that as we go to more of these conferences the issues with GPL will go 
> away and people accept CDDL.

Yeah, and first thing is to convince the Google guys that they should
put CDDL on the list of licenses that they allow people to choose in
their latest project hosting announcement.

>> Yeah, a lot of the Sun people who attended feel like we're missing the
>> train a little bit - it's totally not lost though, and I'm personally
>> pretty excited about things going forward because we're realizing where
>> we can do better and not just resting on our laurels.
> 
> 
> Missing the train in what way? Regarding the booth?

Just a lot of lost opportunities for getting our message out there, how
to get involved, some of the benefits for running OpenSolaris etc..
Creating awareness generally could have been better.

>> Yep, absolutely - and looking forward to more discussions while at MPK
>> this week :)
> 
> 
> Cool. Tell everyone I said hello. Feel free to use my office. It's empty. :)

Heh, sweet, though not sure I can fill your legacy ;)


Glynn


From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM  Mon Jul 31 14:46:15 2006
From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:46:15 -0500
Subject: [osol-mktg] Community graphics for home page
Message-ID: <44CE7A27.9020101@sun.com>

We've concluded our first year. We've celebrated our anniversary. Now we 
need a new graphic banner for the opensolaris.org website. Anyone who 
would like to contribute artwork can by sending it in email to website 
DASH discuss AT opensolaris.org. You can see what we've used so far at 
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/homepagegraphics/ in 
case you missed them.

All submissions must be in by midnight PT Monday August 7th. Selections 
will be made by by the OpenSolaris web team on Tuesday August 8th and 
posted by Wednesday August 9th.

The only things that we request of any submission:
- is original artwork to avoid any possible copyright issues
- contains the OpenSolaris wordmark colors (Orange: #E76F00, Blue: 
#5382A1)
- is no bigger than: 500x 200 pixels
- does NOT contain the OpenSolaris wordmark
- is in PNG, GIF or JPG formats

New artwork will be up from 6 - 12 months or, if we have a lot of 
submissions, we can circulate them.

Sara