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This message posted from opensolaris.org From Darren.Moffat at Sun.COM Tue May 2 02:58:28 2006 From: Darren.Moffat at Sun.COM (Darren J Moffat) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 10:58:28 +0100 Subject: [osol-discuss] [osol-mktg] Upcoming Anniversary Activities for OpenSolaris User Groups In-Reply-To: <44526C79.6040601@sun.com> References: <444E83DD.3060803@sun.com> <444E8AB8.9060807@sun.com> <444F02C6.9060806@gmail.com> <1146029557.4175.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> <444FCBA0.3000108@sun.com> <445138C0.7070205@sun.com> <44514455.90704@Sun.COM> <44524320.6080306@sun.com> <44526C79.6040601@sun.com> Message-ID: <44572D44.3010207@Sun.COM> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Yes. We all should. But, we obviously can't buy every one of our 13,000 > registered members a shirt and ship it to them. Although that would be > nice, it's pretty cost prohibitive. > > If we made a special commemorative t-shirt and put it on the Sun open > source cafepress store (or anywhere else that might be convenient), then > people could purchase it at cost. What do you think of that? A > commemorative t-shirt was part of the user group idea as well. So user > groups would get a package containing gifts for all of their members. Love it I'd buy some (mix of colours please, I do ware things other than black!). -- Darren J Moffat From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 2 13:11:51 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:11:51 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities Message-ID: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> I'd like to start weekly meetings for those interested in working on the one year anniversary celebration team for OpenSolaris. We've had some emails going around and some things have been proposed. It's time to prioritize those ideas and start working on them. There is a lot on this list and we may not be able to do all of it, but with volunteers, we can do more. I've included the lists and people who shown an interest in these activities. I've listed out what has been proposed so far. If you can't participate in the meetings, but would like to participate in email, you can do that. We'll keep this conversation going on the marketing alias. If you haven't subscribed, you should. Below is the initial list of things to be discussed. These are in no particular order. Proposed ideas: - banner ads on sun.com We've got these, so let's use them. Idea that has gotten the most traction so far is: C-O-D-E OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word We have the ability to do another one as well. These need to be prioritized and someone needs to drive the activity. - Worldwide user group meeting Have all of the existing (and any new ones that want to start up to participate) hold a meeting on June 14th. All attendees will receive a gift (t-shirt, stickers, laptop stickers, car electrostatic clings) and a webcast with "celebrity" will be created to be seen at those meetings. - DVDs vs CDs Create DVDs (or should it be CDs need to decide) of one or all of the distributions to send out to anyone who requests one for a period of time around the anniversary. Also make them available for shows, events, meetings, user groups, etc. - Pre-printed DVD/CDs We can make blank DVD/CDs that are pre-printed that can be sent out for anyone who wants them to distribute. Need to decide what these say on them (if we want to do them)? NOTE: Solaris Express is not redistributable, so can only be available through Sun. Need to know of any restrictions on the other distros. - T-shirts First anniversary t-shirts. Proposed design attached. We can send these to the user groups. Sending them out individually is cost prohibitive, but maybe we can figure out a way to make them available - our yahoo store or cafepress? How long are they relevant? Would we want to give them out at OSCon in August for example? - laptop stickers These have been requested in the past and I know that there are plenty of people who would like to stick an OpenSolaris sticker on their laptop. We could send these to the user groups as part of the gift pack and we can make them available on the store. I would recommend that these be more generic and not specifically one year. - Electostatic clings In case you are unfamiliar, these are non-stickers that cling to the inside of your car window and peal off easily. You can show your enthusiasm while you drive around in traffic. - Install guides We've talked about creating easy to use install guides for newbies and getting them out on the site and linked to from blogs. Maybe the install guides could include a screencast to help people get there more quickly. - Blogs So many people blogged on Opening Day. If people would also blog on the anniversary and talk about their experiences this first year, it would be great for the project. - Web site update The tshirt art is available and could be used on the web site if people like it (that goes for the shirt too). We've also been working on updating content like the FAQs. I'm sure there are other things as well. We'd need a rep from the web team to join us in our calls. Other activities: - Update of our field communications (explain) This is a very Sun focused activity aimed at our sales force, but you can have input on the content if you want. - Single slide showing one year snapshot (available on site) We have some pretty impressive stats about this community as you know. Well we need to provide people at Sun with a slide that they can insert into a deck that shows that. That slide can be made available on the site for anyone who wants to add that data to their deck. - PR outreach Possible stories include "switch stories" from those that have switched to Solaris because of OpenSolaris and reinforcement of open source messages - we are open source you morons. Meeting times: To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll start meeting next week. Proposed days and times: 9am PT Tuesdays 7am PT Thursdays 9am PT Fridays From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 2 14:09:30 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 16:09:30 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> Message-ID: <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). Sara Sara Dornsife wrote: > I'd like to start weekly meetings for those interested in working on > the one year anniversary celebration team for OpenSolaris. We've had > some emails going around and some things have been proposed. It's time > to prioritize those ideas and start working on them. There is a lot on > this list and we may not be able to do all of it, but with volunteers, > we can do more. > > I've included the lists and people who shown an interest in these > activities. > > I've listed out what has been proposed so far. If you can't > participate in the meetings, but would like to participate in email, > you can do that. We'll keep this conversation going on the marketing > alias. If you haven't subscribed, you should. > > Below is the initial list of things to be discussed. These are in no > particular order. > > Proposed ideas: > - banner ads on sun.com > We've got these, so let's use them. Idea that has gotten the most > traction so far is: > > C-O-D-E > OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word > > We have the ability to do another one as well. These need to be > prioritized and someone needs to drive the activity. > > - Worldwide user group meeting > Have all of the existing (and any new ones that want to start up to > participate) hold a meeting on June 14th. All attendees will receive a > gift (t-shirt, stickers, laptop stickers, car electrostatic clings) > and a webcast with "celebrity" will be created to be seen at those > meetings. > > - DVDs vs CDs Create DVDs (or should it be CDs need to decide) of one > or all of the distributions to send out to anyone who requests one for > a period of time around the anniversary. Also make them available for > shows, events, meetings, user groups, etc. > > - Pre-printed DVD/CDs > We can make blank DVD/CDs that are pre-printed that can be sent out > for anyone who wants them to distribute. Need to decide what these say > on them (if we want to do them)? > > NOTE: Solaris Express is not redistributable, so can only be available > through Sun. Need to know of any restrictions on the other distros. > > - T-shirts > First anniversary t-shirts. Proposed design attached. We can send > these to the user groups. Sending them out individually is cost > prohibitive, but maybe we can figure out a way to make them available > - our yahoo store or cafepress? How long are they relevant? Would we > want to give them out at OSCon in August for example? > > - laptop stickers > These have been requested in the past and I know that there are plenty > of people who would like to stick an OpenSolaris sticker on their > laptop. We could send these to the user groups as part of the gift > pack and we can make them available on the store. I would recommend > that these be more generic and not specifically one year. > > - Electostatic clings > In case you are unfamiliar, these are non-stickers that cling to the > inside of your car window and peal off easily. You can show your > enthusiasm while you drive around in traffic. > > - Install guides > We've talked about creating easy to use install guides for newbies and > getting them out on the site and linked to from blogs. Maybe the > install guides could include a screencast to help people get there > more quickly. > > - Blogs > So many people blogged on Opening Day. If people would also blog on > the anniversary and talk about their experiences this first year, it > would be great for the project. > > - Web site update > The tshirt art is available and could be used on the web site if > people like it (that goes for the shirt too). We've also been working > on updating content like the FAQs. I'm sure there are other things as > well. We'd need a rep from the web team to join us in our calls. > > Other activities: > - Update of our field communications (explain) > This is a very Sun focused activity aimed at our sales force, but you > can have input on the content if you want. > > - Single slide showing one year snapshot (available on site) > We have some pretty impressive stats about this community as you know. > Well we need to provide people at Sun with a slide that they can > insert into a deck that shows that. That slide can be made available > on the site for anyone who wants to add that data to their deck. > > - PR outreach > Possible stories include "switch stories" from those that have > switched to Solaris because of OpenSolaris and reinforcement of open > source messages - we are open source you morons. > > Meeting times: > To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. > I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll > start meeting next week. > > Proposed days and times: > 9am PT Tuesdays > 7am PT Thursdays > 9am PT Fridays > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OS_Birthday_Shirt.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 261475 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Tue May 2 14:11:28 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:11:28 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> Message-ID: <4457CB00.30308@Sun.COM> > Meeting times: > To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. > I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll > start meeting next week. > > Proposed days and times: > 9am PT Tuesdays > 7am PT Thursdays > 9am PT Fridays > Thu and Fri work in general. Thanks. Bonnie From derek.cicero at sun.com Tue May 2 14:40:01 2006 From: derek.cicero at sun.com (Derek Cicero) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:40:01 -0700 Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> Message-ID: <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on > either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). I like the design, but the wordmark you are using is different from the one I have. The font is bolder and the blue looks darker. Is there a new version? Derek > Sara > > > Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> I'd like to start weekly meetings for those interested in working on >> the one year anniversary celebration team for OpenSolaris. We've had >> some emails going around and some things have been proposed. It's >> time to prioritize those ideas and start working on them. There is a >> lot on this list and we may not be able to do all of it, but with >> volunteers, we can do more. >> >> I've included the lists and people who shown an interest in these >> activities. >> >> I've listed out what has been proposed so far. If you can't >> participate in the meetings, but would like to participate in email, >> you can do that. We'll keep this conversation going on the marketing >> alias. If you haven't subscribed, you should. >> >> Below is the initial list of things to be discussed. These are in no >> particular order. >> >> Proposed ideas: >> - banner ads on sun.com >> We've got these, so let's use them. Idea that has gotten the most >> traction so far is: >> >> C-O-D-E >> OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word >> >> We have the ability to do another one as well. These need to be >> prioritized and someone needs to drive the activity. >> >> - Worldwide user group meeting >> Have all of the existing (and any new ones that want to start up to >> participate) hold a meeting on June 14th. All attendees will receive >> a gift (t-shirt, stickers, laptop stickers, car electrostatic clings) >> and a webcast with "celebrity" will be created to be seen at those >> meetings. >> >> - DVDs vs CDs Create DVDs (or should it be CDs need to decide) of >> one or all of the distributions to send out to anyone who requests >> one for a period of time around the anniversary. Also make them >> available for shows, events, meetings, user groups, etc. >> >> - Pre-printed DVD/CDs >> We can make blank DVD/CDs that are pre-printed that can be sent out >> for anyone who wants them to distribute. Need to decide what these >> say on them (if we want to do them)? >> >> NOTE: Solaris Express is not redistributable, so can only be >> available through Sun. Need to know of any restrictions on the other >> distros. >> >> - T-shirts >> First anniversary t-shirts. Proposed design attached. We can send >> these to the user groups. Sending them out individually is cost >> prohibitive, but maybe we can figure out a way to make them available >> - our yahoo store or cafepress? How long are they relevant? Would we >> want to give them out at OSCon in August for example? >> >> - laptop stickers >> These have been requested in the past and I know that there are >> plenty of people who would like to stick an OpenSolaris sticker on >> their laptop. We could send these to the user groups as part of the >> gift pack and we can make them available on the store. I would >> recommend that these be more generic and not specifically one year. >> >> - Electostatic clings >> In case you are unfamiliar, these are non-stickers that cling to the >> inside of your car window and peal off easily. You can show your >> enthusiasm while you drive around in traffic. >> >> - Install guides >> We've talked about creating easy to use install guides for newbies >> and getting them out on the site and linked to from blogs. Maybe the >> install guides could include a screencast to help people get there >> more quickly. >> >> - Blogs >> So many people blogged on Opening Day. If people would also blog on >> the anniversary and talk about their experiences this first year, it >> would be great for the project. >> >> - Web site update >> The tshirt art is available and could be used on the web site if >> people like it (that goes for the shirt too). We've also been working >> on updating content like the FAQs. I'm sure there are other things as >> well. We'd need a rep from the web team to join us in our calls. >> >> Other activities: >> - Update of our field communications (explain) >> This is a very Sun focused activity aimed at our sales force, but you >> can have input on the content if you want. >> >> - Single slide showing one year snapshot (available on site) >> We have some pretty impressive stats about this community as you >> know. Well we need to provide people at Sun with a slide that they >> can insert into a deck that shows that. That slide can be made >> available on the site for anyone who wants to add that data to their >> deck. >> >> - PR outreach >> Possible stories include "switch stories" from those that have >> switched to Solaris because of OpenSolaris and reinforcement of open >> source messages - we are open source you morons. >> >> Meeting times: >> To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. >> I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll >> start meeting next week. >> >> Proposed days and times: >> 9am PT Tuesdays >> 7am PT Thursdays >> 9am PT Fridays >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > website-discuss mailing list > website-discuss at opensolaris.org -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 2 14:48:44 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 16:48:44 -0500 Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> Message-ID: <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> Derek Cicero wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on >> either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). > > I like the design, but the wordmark you are using is different from > the one I have. The font is bolder and the blue looks darker. Is there > a new version? No, it's not different. Or, not supposed to be. I assumed it was a screen difference. I'll check with the designer. Any other comments on it? Like do you like the ? > > Derek > > >> Sara >> >> >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> I'd like to start weekly meetings for those interested in working on >>> the one year anniversary celebration team for OpenSolaris. We've had >>> some emails going around and some things have been proposed. It's >>> time to prioritize those ideas and start working on them. There is a >>> lot on this list and we may not be able to do all of it, but with >>> volunteers, we can do more. >>> >>> I've included the lists and people who shown an interest in these >>> activities. >>> >>> I've listed out what has been proposed so far. If you can't >>> participate in the meetings, but would like to participate in email, >>> you can do that. We'll keep this conversation going on the marketing >>> alias. If you haven't subscribed, you should. >>> >>> Below is the initial list of things to be discussed. These are in no >>> particular order. >>> >>> Proposed ideas: >>> - banner ads on sun.com >>> We've got these, so let's use them. Idea that has gotten the most >>> traction so far is: >>> >>> C-O-D-E >>> OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word >>> >>> We have the ability to do another one as well. These need to be >>> prioritized and someone needs to drive the activity. >>> >>> - Worldwide user group meeting >>> Have all of the existing (and any new ones that want to start up to >>> participate) hold a meeting on June 14th. All attendees will receive >>> a gift (t-shirt, stickers, laptop stickers, car electrostatic >>> clings) and a webcast with "celebrity" will be created to be seen at >>> those meetings. >>> >>> - DVDs vs CDs Create DVDs (or should it be CDs need to decide) of >>> one or all of the distributions to send out to anyone who requests >>> one for a period of time around the anniversary. Also make them >>> available for shows, events, meetings, user groups, etc. >>> >>> - Pre-printed DVD/CDs >>> We can make blank DVD/CDs that are pre-printed that can be sent out >>> for anyone who wants them to distribute. Need to decide what these >>> say on them (if we want to do them)? >>> >>> NOTE: Solaris Express is not redistributable, so can only be >>> available through Sun. Need to know of any restrictions on the other >>> distros. >>> >>> - T-shirts >>> First anniversary t-shirts. Proposed design attached. We can send >>> these to the user groups. Sending them out individually is cost >>> prohibitive, but maybe we can figure out a way to make them >>> available - our yahoo store or cafepress? How long are they >>> relevant? Would we want to give them out at OSCon in August for >>> example? >>> >>> - laptop stickers >>> These have been requested in the past and I know that there are >>> plenty of people who would like to stick an OpenSolaris sticker on >>> their laptop. We could send these to the user groups as part of the >>> gift pack and we can make them available on the store. I would >>> recommend that these be more generic and not specifically one year. >>> >>> - Electostatic clings >>> In case you are unfamiliar, these are non-stickers that cling to the >>> inside of your car window and peal off easily. You can show your >>> enthusiasm while you drive around in traffic. >>> >>> - Install guides >>> We've talked about creating easy to use install guides for newbies >>> and getting them out on the site and linked to from blogs. Maybe the >>> install guides could include a screencast to help people get there >>> more quickly. >>> >>> - Blogs >>> So many people blogged on Opening Day. If people would also blog on >>> the anniversary and talk about their experiences this first year, it >>> would be great for the project. >>> >>> - Web site update >>> The tshirt art is available and could be used on the web site if >>> people like it (that goes for the shirt too). We've also been >>> working on updating content like the FAQs. I'm sure there are other >>> things as well. We'd need a rep from the web team to join us in our >>> calls. >>> >>> Other activities: >>> - Update of our field communications (explain) >>> This is a very Sun focused activity aimed at our sales force, but >>> you can have input on the content if you want. >>> >>> - Single slide showing one year snapshot (available on site) >>> We have some pretty impressive stats about this community as you >>> know. Well we need to provide people at Sun with a slide that they >>> can insert into a deck that shows that. That slide can be made >>> available on the site for anyone who wants to add that data to their >>> deck. >>> >>> - PR outreach >>> Possible stories include "switch stories" from those that have >>> switched to Solaris because of OpenSolaris and reinforcement of open >>> source messages - we are open source you morons. >>> >>> Meeting times: >>> To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. >>> I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. >>> We'll start meeting next week. >>> >>> Proposed days and times: >>> 9am PT Tuesdays >>> 7am PT Thursdays >>> 9am PT Fridays >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> website-discuss mailing list >> website-discuss at opensolaris.org > > > > From stevel at sun.com Tue May 2 14:47:38 2006 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:47:38 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> Message-ID: <4457D37A.1030102@sun.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Meeting times: > To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. > I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll > start meeting next week. > > Proposed days and times: > 9am PT Tuesdays > 7am PT Thursdays > 9am PT Fridays can't do 9am Tues. 7a Thurs or 9am Fri works for me. -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From rich.teer at rite-group.com Tue May 2 14:53:57 2006 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2006, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on either a > black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). I love it! -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. 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This would go (in my opinion) on > >>either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). > > > >I like the design, but the wordmark you are using is different from > >the one I have. The font is bolder and the blue looks darker. Is there > >a new version? > No, it's not different. Or, not supposed to be. I assumed it was a > screen difference. I'll check with the designer. Any other comments on > it? Like do you like the ? Yes, I like it (and agree with Derek that the wordmark needs fixing). I hazily recall someone noting that it was time to pick some new code for the background of these things? -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From dp at eng.sun.com Tue May 2 15:23:45 2006 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:23:45 -0700 Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <20060502222345.GA27455@eng.sun.com> On Tue 02 May 2006 at 03:20PM, Dan Price wrote: > On Tue 02 May 2006 at 04:48PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Derek Cicero wrote: > > >Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > > >>Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on > > >>either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). > > > > > >I like the design, but the wordmark you are using is different from > > >the one I have. The font is bolder and the blue looks darker. Is there > > >a new version? > > No, it's not different. Or, not supposed to be. I assumed it was a > > screen difference. I'll check with the designer. Any other comments on > > it? Like do you like the ? > > Yes, I like it (and agree with Derek that the wordmark needs fixing). > > I hazily recall someone noting that it was time to pick some new code > for the background of these things? Looking at it some more-- it would be nice to see what it would look like on a black shirt. I wonder if the code should form the "1" without any other deliniation? A minor nit is that the 1 looks a little chunky. (The vertical seems a little thick to me). -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 2 15:29:11 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 17:29:11 -0500 Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> Dan Price wrote: > On Tue 02 May 2006 at 04:48PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Derek Cicero wrote: >> >>> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on >>>> either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). >>>> >>> I like the design, but the wordmark you are using is different from >>> the one I have. The font is bolder and the blue looks darker. Is there >>> a new version? >>> >> No, it's not different. Or, not supposed to be. I assumed it was a >> screen difference. I'll check with the designer. Any other comments on >> it? Like do you like the ? >> > > Yes, I like it (and agree with Derek that the wordmark needs fixing). > > I hazily recall someone noting that it was time to pick some new code > for the background of these things? > I checked with the designer that changed it for me. He said that he had to change the sizing slightly to fit in the new shape, but there are no color changes or anything else. What code should it be? Changing it would change all of the buttons.... > -dp > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dp at eng.sun.com Tue May 2 15:40:34 2006 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:40:34 -0700 Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> On Tue 02 May 2006 at 05:29PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Dan Price wrote: > > On Tue 02 May 2006 at 04:48PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > I checked with the designer that changed it for me. He said that he had to > change the sizing slightly to fit in the new shape, but there are no color > changes or anything else. I don't think I was clear enough-- what precisely will the Tshirt look like if it is on a black background? How will the "1" be delineated? It's clearly not the right wordmark. In our wordmark, the i doesn't have a "dot" in it and the "l" doesn't ascend. Just do a visual comparison and you will see. > What code should it be? Changing it would change all of the buttons.... I don't see why everything has to have the same snippet of code? -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue May 2 16:18:34 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 16:18:34 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457CB00.30308@Sun.COM> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CB00.30308@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4457E8CA.3050504@sun.com> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>Meeting times: >>To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. >>I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll >>start meeting next week. >> >>Proposed days and times: >>9am PT Tuesdays >>7am PT Thursdays >>9am PT Fridays >> > > > Thu and Fri work in general. Me, too. Thur and Fri is good. Tues is bad. Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue May 2 16:34:47 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 16:34:47 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> Dan Price wrote: > ZFS is probably the biggest project to putback in the past year. > How about something from it? > > http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev_raidz.c#405 > > It'd be a good quickie contest for os-discuss-- post your favorite > snippet. > > -dp Yah, I like the idea of using ZFS, too. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue May 2 17:07:11 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:07:11 -0400 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> Message-ID: <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> Rather than doing code...why not a block of user ID names...making it about the community. LKR Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Dan Price wrote: > >> ZFS is probably the biggest project to putback in the past year. >> How about something from it? >> >> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev_raidz.c#405 >> >> >> It'd be a good quickie contest for os-discuss-- post your favorite >> snippet. >> >> -dp > > > > Yah, I like the idea of using ZFS, too. > > Jim > -- > Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From moazam at unixville.com Tue May 2 17:25:49 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:25:49 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> Message-ID: Using user ID/names from the community would be cool, but would you have to get permission from the users to use their names, from a legal standpoint? I'm no lawyer though. -Moazam On May 2, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Laura Ramsey wrote: > Rather than doing code...why not a block of user ID names...making > it about the community. > > LKR From derek.cicero at sun.com Tue May 2 17:55:59 2006 From: derek.cicero at sun.com (Derek Cicero) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 17:55:59 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> Message-ID: <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> Laura Ramsey wrote: > Rather than doing code...why not a block of user ID names...making it > about the community. While I really like the spirit of this idea, I think it would not be right to use UserIDs without permission and getting permission for each user id would be very time consuming. Derek > > LKR > > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> Dan Price wrote: >> >>> ZFS is probably the biggest project to putback in the past year. >>> How about something from it? >>> >>> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev_raidz.c#405 >>> >>> >>> It'd be a good quickie contest for os-discuss-- post your favorite >>> snippet. >>> >>> -dp >> >> >> >> >> Yah, I like the idea of using ZFS, too. >> >> Jim >> -- >> Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris >> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division From dp at eng.sun.com Tue May 2 18:02:40 2006 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:02:40 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> References: <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060503010240.GO16759@eng.sun.com> On Tue 02 May 2006 at 05:55PM, Derek Cicero wrote: > Laura Ramsey wrote: > > >Rather than doing code...why not a block of user ID names...making it > >about the community. > > While I really like the spirit of this idea, I think it would not be > right to use UserIDs without permission and getting permission for each > user id would be very time consuming. I dunno-- send out a mail to os-discuss and let people sign up. How hard would that be? -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From moazam at unixville.com Tue May 2 18:16:23 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:16:23 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060503010240.GO16759@eng.sun.com> References: <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <20060503010240.GO16759@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <6D0D485C-8BD1-4489-8E66-5C2A42343C98@unixville.com> I'm all for it. I'd sign up (userid: moazam) ;) -Moazam On May 2, 2006, at 6:02 PM, Dan Price wrote: > I dunno-- send out a mail to os-discuss and let people sign up. > > How hard would that be? > > -dp > > -- > Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - > blogs.sun.com/dp From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue May 2 18:23:25 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:23:25 -0400 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> Message-ID: <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> Derek Cicero wrote: > Laura Ramsey wrote: > >> Rather than doing code...why not a block of user ID names...making it >> about the community. > > > While I really like the spirit of this idea, I think it would not be > right to use UserIDs without permission and getting permission for > each user id would be very time consuming. Really? they are on the site...can be seen by one and all. What permissions were collected there? LKR > > > Derek > >> >> LKR >> >> >> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> >>> Dan Price wrote: >>> >>>> ZFS is probably the biggest project to putback in the past year. >>>> How about something from it? >>>> >>>> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev_raidz.c#405 >>>> >>>> >>>> It'd be a good quickie contest for os-discuss-- post your favorite >>>> snippet. >>>> >>>> -dp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yah, I like the idea of using ZFS, too. >>> >>> Jim >>> -- >>> Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris >>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > > > From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue May 2 18:24:56 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:24:56 -0400 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <6D0D485C-8BD1-4489-8E66-5C2A42343C98@unixville.com> References: <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <20060503010240.GO16759@eng.sun.com> <6D0D485C-8BD1-4489-8E66-5C2A42343C98@unixville.com> Message-ID: <44580668.7000404@sun.com> Me too! LKR Moazam Raja wrote: > I'm all for it. I'd sign up (userid: moazam) ;) > > -Moazam > > On May 2, 2006, at 6:02 PM, Dan Price wrote: > >> I dunno-- send out a mail to os-discuss and let people sign up. >> >> How hard would that be? >> >> -dp >> >> -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - >> blogs.sun.com/dp > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From dp at eng.sun.com Tue May 2 18:25:30 2006 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:25:30 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> References: <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> On Tue 02 May 2006 at 09:23PM, Laura Ramsey wrote: > Derek Cicero wrote: > > >Laura Ramsey wrote: > > > >>Rather than doing code...why not a block of user ID names...making it > >>about the community. > > > > > >While I really like the spirit of this idea, I think it would not be > >right to use UserIDs without permission and getting permission for > >each user id would be very time consuming. > > > Really? they are on the site...can be seen by one and all. What > permissions were collected there? Since there are probably a lot of people lurking, it might be nice to emphasize the people who have been more active in the past year. I don't know how to measure that, though. Maybe a query on the DB which looks at # of logins? -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 2 15:44:53 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 17:44:53 -0500 Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> Dan Price wrote: > On Tue 02 May 2006 at 05:29PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Dan Price wrote: >> >> On Tue 02 May 2006 at 04:48PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >> I checked with the designer that changed it for me. He said that he had to >> change the sizing slightly to fit in the new shape, but there are no color >> changes or anything else. >> > > I don't think I was clear enough-- what precisely will the Tshirt > look like if it is on a black background? How will the "1" be > delineated? > > It's clearly not the right wordmark. In our wordmark, the i doesn't > have a "dot" in it and the "l" doesn't ascend. Just do a visual > comparison and you will see. > He's sending me the art on black. It will look a lot like the black tshirts we did at launch, but in the shape of a 1. I've resent the wordmark for him to replace. > >> What code should it be? Changing it would change all of the buttons.... >> > > I don't see why everything has to have the same snippet of code? > It doesn't. What do you have in mind? I haven't written any code that work :). > -dp > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How about something from it? http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev_raidz.c#405 It'd be a good quickie contest for os-discuss-- post your favorite snippet. -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue May 2 16:00:27 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:00:27 -0400 Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <4457E48B.1080108@sun.com> Does it have to be code? could it be a line-on-line listing of user IDs of community members? The names are mostly general enough that you can tell there's a person associated, but privacy wouldn't be blown because there's not an email address associated... Just thought it would be cool to promote the community. LKR Dan Price wrote: >On Tue 02 May 2006 at 04:48PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > >>Derek Cicero wrote: >> >> >>>Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on >>>>either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). >>>> >>>> >>>I like the design, but the wordmark you are using is different from >>>the one I have. The font is bolder and the blue looks darker. Is there >>>a new version? >>> >>> >>No, it's not different. Or, not supposed to be. I assumed it was a >>screen difference. I'll check with the designer. Any other comments on >>it? Like do you like the ? >> >> > >Yes, I like it (and agree with Derek that the wordmark needs fixing). > >I hazily recall someone noting that it was time to pick some new code >for the background of these things? > > -dp > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moazam at unixville.com Tue May 2 16:17:20 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:17:20 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> Message-ID: <9E1F09CD-F2A6-4E18-AB52-0D50DC50841B@unixville.com> Whatever logo is used, can we please *not* choose the 'ringer' type of t-shirt: http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/ yhst-40238304033850_1893_420295 The ringer areas make the t-shirt look a bit poofy and pulled (weird, I know, but it's hard to describe) at the same time. This type of shirt, white or black, fits a lot better and holds up better in the long run. These are probably cheaper to produce also. http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6728/425/1600/hpim1269.jpg http://www.spreadshirt.net/image.php? type=image&partner_id=217313&product_id=1674147&img_id=1&size=huge&bgcol or_images=white -Moazam unixville.com On May 2, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) > on either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). > Sara > > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> I'd like to start weekly meetings for those interested in working >> on the one year anniversary celebration team for OpenSolaris. >> We've had some emails going around and some things have been >> proposed. It's time to prioritize those ideas and start working on >> them. There is a lot on this list and we may not be able to do all >> of it, but with volunteers, we can do more. >> >> I've included the lists and people who shown an interest in these >> activities. >> >> I've listed out what has been proposed so far. If you can't >> participate in the meetings, but would like to participate in >> email, you can do that. We'll keep this conversation going on the >> marketing alias. If you haven't subscribed, you should. >> >> Below is the initial list of things to be discussed. These are in >> no particular order. >> >> Proposed ideas: >> - banner ads on sun.com >> We've got these, so let's use them. Idea that has gotten the most >> traction so far is: >> >> C-O-D-E >> OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word >> >> We have the ability to do another one as well. These need to be >> prioritized and someone needs to drive the activity. >> >> - Worldwide user group meeting >> Have all of the existing (and any new ones that want to start up >> to participate) hold a meeting on June 14th. All attendees will >> receive a gift (t-shirt, stickers, laptop stickers, car >> electrostatic clings) and a webcast with "celebrity" will be >> created to be seen at those meetings. >> >> - DVDs vs CDs Create DVDs (or should it be CDs need to decide) of >> one or all of the distributions to send out to anyone who requests >> one for a period of time around the anniversary. Also make them >> available for shows, events, meetings, user groups, etc. >> >> - Pre-printed DVD/CDs >> We can make blank DVD/CDs that are pre-printed that can be sent >> out for anyone who wants them to distribute. Need to decide what >> these say on them (if we want to do them)? >> >> NOTE: Solaris Express is not redistributable, so can only be >> available through Sun. Need to know of any restrictions on the >> other distros. >> >> - T-shirts >> First anniversary t-shirts. Proposed design attached. We can send >> these to the user groups. Sending them out individually is cost >> prohibitive, but maybe we can figure out a way to make them >> available - our yahoo store or cafepress? How long are they >> relevant? Would we want to give them out at OSCon in August for >> example? >> >> - laptop stickers >> These have been requested in the past and I know that there are >> plenty of people who would like to stick an OpenSolaris sticker on >> their laptop. We could send these to the user groups as part of >> the gift pack and we can make them available on the store. I would >> recommend that these be more generic and not specifically one year. >> >> - Electostatic clings >> In case you are unfamiliar, these are non-stickers that cling to >> the inside of your car window and peal off easily. You can show >> your enthusiasm while you drive around in traffic. >> >> - Install guides >> We've talked about creating easy to use install guides for newbies >> and getting them out on the site and linked to from blogs. Maybe >> the install guides could include a screencast to help people get >> there more quickly. >> >> - Blogs >> So many people blogged on Opening Day. If people would also blog >> on the anniversary and talk about their experiences this first >> year, it would be great for the project. >> >> - Web site update >> The tshirt art is available and could be used on the web site if >> people like it (that goes for the shirt too). We've also been >> working on updating content like the FAQs. I'm sure there are >> other things as well. We'd need a rep from the web team to join us >> in our calls. >> >> Other activities: >> - Update of our field communications (explain) >> This is a very Sun focused activity aimed at our sales force, but >> you can have input on the content if you want. >> >> - Single slide showing one year snapshot (available on site) >> We have some pretty impressive stats about this community as you >> know. Well we need to provide people at Sun with a slide that they >> can insert into a deck that shows that. That slide can be made >> available on the site for anyone who wants to add that data to >> their deck. >> >> - PR outreach >> Possible stories include "switch stories" from those that have >> switched to Solaris because of OpenSolaris and reinforcement of >> open source messages - we are open source you morons. >> >> Meeting times: >> To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning >> slots. I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a >> time. We'll start meeting next week. >> >> Proposed days and times: >> 9am PT Tuesdays >> 7am PT Thursdays >> 9am PT Fridays >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue May 2 16:24:32 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 16:24:32 -0700 Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> Message-ID: <4457EA30.9030805@sun.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on > either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). > Sara I like the shirt. I blogged it and put it on flicker, too: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jimgris?entry=almost_one There's a comment on my blog about the shirt, though, that the code contains too many "sleeps" ... Jim From Matt.Ingenthron at Sun.COM Tue May 2 19:01:43 2006 From: Matt.Ingenthron at Sun.COM (Matt Ingenthron) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:01:43 -0700 Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <44580F07.2050605@sun.com> Dan Price wrote: >>It doesn't. What do you have in mind? I haven't written any code that work :). >> >> > >ZFS is probably the biggest project to putback in the past year. >How about something from it? > > Better would be code from a putback contributed by the community. 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URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 2 20:16:27 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 22:16:27 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <9E1F09CD-F2A6-4E18-AB52-0D50DC50841B@unixville.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <9E1F09CD-F2A6-4E18-AB52-0D50DC50841B@unixville.com> Message-ID: <4458208B.9060407@sun.com> Deal Moazam Raja wrote: > Whatever logo is used, can we please *not* choose the 'ringer' type of > t-shirt: > > http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/yhst-40238304033850_1893_420295 > > The ringer areas make the t-shirt look a bit poofy and pulled (weird, > I know, but it's hard to describe) at the same time. > > This type of shirt, white or black, fits a lot better and holds up > better in the long run. These are probably cheaper to produce also. > > http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6728/425/1600/hpim1269.jpg > http://www.spreadshirt.net/image.php?type=image&partner_id=217313&product_id=1674147&img_id=1&size=huge&bgcolor_images=white > > > -Moazam > unixville.com > > On May 2, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on >> either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). >> Sara >> >> >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> I'd like to start weekly meetings for those interested in working on >>> the one year anniversary celebration team for OpenSolaris. We've had >>> some emails going around and some things have been proposed. It's >>> time to prioritize those ideas and start working on them. There is a >>> lot on this list and we may not be able to do all of it, but with >>> volunteers, we can do more. >>> >>> I've included the lists and people who shown an interest in these >>> activities. >>> >>> I've listed out what has been proposed so far. If you can't >>> participate in the meetings, but would like to participate in email, >>> you can do that. We'll keep this conversation going on the marketing >>> alias. If you haven't subscribed, you should. >>> >>> Below is the initial list of things to be discussed. These are in no >>> particular order. >>> >>> Proposed ideas: >>> - banner ads on sun.com >>> We've got these, so let's use them. Idea that has gotten the most >>> traction so far is: >>> >>> C-O-D-E >>> OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word >>> >>> We have the ability to do another one as well. These need to be >>> prioritized and someone needs to drive the activity. >>> >>> - Worldwide user group meeting >>> Have all of the existing (and any new ones that want to start up to >>> participate) hold a meeting on June 14th. All attendees will receive >>> a gift (t-shirt, stickers, laptop stickers, car electrostatic >>> clings) and a webcast with "celebrity" will be created to be seen at >>> those meetings. >>> >>> - DVDs vs CDs Create DVDs (or should it be CDs need to decide) of >>> one or all of the distributions to send out to anyone who requests >>> one for a period of time around the anniversary. Also make them >>> available for shows, events, meetings, user groups, etc. >>> >>> - Pre-printed DVD/CDs >>> We can make blank DVD/CDs that are pre-printed that can be sent out >>> for anyone who wants them to distribute. Need to decide what these >>> say on them (if we want to do them)? >>> >>> NOTE: Solaris Express is not redistributable, so can only be >>> available through Sun. Need to know of any restrictions on the other >>> distros. >>> >>> - T-shirts >>> First anniversary t-shirts. Proposed design attached. We can send >>> these to the user groups. Sending them out individually is cost >>> prohibitive, but maybe we can figure out a way to make them >>> available - our yahoo store or cafepress? How long are they >>> relevant? Would we want to give them out at OSCon in August for >>> example? >>> >>> - laptop stickers >>> These have been requested in the past and I know that there are >>> plenty of people who would like to stick an OpenSolaris sticker on >>> their laptop. We could send these to the user groups as part of the >>> gift pack and we can make them available on the store. I would >>> recommend that these be more generic and not specifically one year. >>> >>> - Electostatic clings >>> In case you are unfamiliar, these are non-stickers that cling to the >>> inside of your car window and peal off easily. You can show your >>> enthusiasm while you drive around in traffic. >>> >>> - Install guides >>> We've talked about creating easy to use install guides for newbies >>> and getting them out on the site and linked to from blogs. Maybe the >>> install guides could include a screencast to help people get there >>> more quickly. >>> >>> - Blogs >>> So many people blogged on Opening Day. If people would also blog on >>> the anniversary and talk about their experiences this first year, it >>> would be great for the project. >>> >>> - Web site update >>> The tshirt art is available and could be used on the web site if >>> people like it (that goes for the shirt too). We've also been >>> working on updating content like the FAQs. I'm sure there are other >>> things as well. We'd need a rep from the web team to join us in our >>> calls. >>> >>> Other activities: >>> - Update of our field communications (explain) >>> This is a very Sun focused activity aimed at our sales force, but >>> you can have input on the content if you want. >>> >>> - Single slide showing one year snapshot (available on site) >>> We have some pretty impressive stats about this community as you >>> know. Well we need to provide people at Sun with a slide that they >>> can insert into a deck that shows that. That slide can be made >>> available on the site for anyone who wants to add that data to their >>> deck. >>> >>> - PR outreach >>> Possible stories include "switch stories" from those that have >>> switched to Solaris because of OpenSolaris and reinforcement of open >>> source messages - we are open source you morons. >>> >>> Meeting times: >>> To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. >>> I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. >>> We'll start meeting next week. >>> >>> Proposed days and times: >>> 9am PT Tuesdays >>> 7am PT Thursdays >>> 9am PT Fridays >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 2 20:19:32 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 22:19:32 -0500 Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457EA30.9030805@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457EA30.9030805@sun.com> Message-ID: <44582144.8030902@sun.com> Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on >> either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). >> Sara > > > I like the shirt. I blogged it and put it on flicker, too: > http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jimgris?entry=almost_one > > There's a comment on my blog about the shirt, though, that the code > contains too many "sleeps" ... Weird. OK, I'll take a look. > > Jim > > > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 2 20:47:18 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 22:47:18 -0500 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> References: <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> Dan Price wrote: > On Tue 02 May 2006 at 09:23PM, Laura Ramsey wrote: > >> Derek Cicero wrote: >> >> >>> Laura Ramsey wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Rather than doing code...why not a block of user ID names...making it >>>> about the community. >>>> >>> While I really like the spirit of this idea, I think it would not be >>> right to use UserIDs without permission and getting permission for >>> each user id would be very time consuming. >>> >> Really? they are on the site...can be seen by one and all. What >> permissions were collected there? >> > > Since there are probably a lot of people lurking, it might be nice to > emphasize the people who have been more active in the past year. > > I don't know how to measure that, though. Maybe a query on the > DB which looks at # of logins? > There would have to be a way of narrowing down the list of names. The badges will only fit something like 40-50 IDs (I'm guessing) and they are in there (like the DTrace code is now). So we'd have to figure out who those people are. Most active on the lists is one way to narrow. And I agree, we should get permission to do it. Just cuz it's the polite thing to do. > -dp > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek.cicero at sun.com Tue May 2 21:00:13 2006 From: derek.cicero at sun.com (Derek Cicero) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:00:13 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457D1B1.8070903@sun.com> <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> Message-ID: <44582ACD.2050700@sun.com> Laura Ramsey wrote: > Derek Cicero wrote: > >> Laura Ramsey wrote: >> >>> Rather than doing code...why not a block of user ID names...making >>> it about the community. >> >> >> >> While I really like the spirit of this idea, I think it would not be >> right to use UserIDs without permission and getting permission for >> each user id would be very time consuming. > > > > Really? they are on the site...can be seen by one and all. What > permissions were collected there? It's about expected usage. Placing it within the context of the website is expected. Randomly posting it on a shirt is not. I think Dan's suggestions is fine however. If you want to use the first X people that submit their UseriDs, I think that's fine. As long as they are aware they are doing it. Derek > LKR > >> >> >> Derek >> >>> >>> LKR >>> >>> >>> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >>> >>>> Dan Price wrote: >>>> >>>>> ZFS is probably the biggest project to putback in the past year. >>>>> How about something from it? >>>>> >>>>> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev_raidz.c#405 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It'd be a good quickie contest for os-discuss-- post your favorite >>>>> snippet. >>>>> >>>>> -dp >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yah, I like the idea of using ZFS, too. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> -- >>>> Jim Grisanzio, Community Manager, OpenSolaris >>>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division From sch at eng.sun.com Tue May 2 22:03:24 2006 From: sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:03:24 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> * Sara Dornsife [2006-05-02 20:47]: > There would have to be a way of narrowing down the list of names. The > badges will only fit something like 40-50 IDs (I'm guessing) and they > are in there (like the DTrace code is now). So we'd have to figure out > who those people are. Most active on the lists is one way to narrow. And > I agree, we should get permission to do it. Just cuz it's the polite > thing to do. Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a method, probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide event. - Stephen * If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' names in the background field. -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From moazam at unixville.com Tue May 2 23:55:12 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:55:12 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, Stephen is right (not that he needed me to say so). You could very well run into a situation where someone thinks "Hey, I submitted 12 bugs and my name wasn't picked but some guy who won a lottery got picked?! Forget this, I'm gonna go over to Linux/BSD development!". Not worth it. Someone else had mentioned using code from ZFS instead. Just make sure it doesn't have so many sleep() calls like the current code does though. -Moazam On May 2, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: > Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate > statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a > method, > probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". > > -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide > event. > > - Stephen > > * If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' > names in the background field. > > -- > Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems > stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Martin.Man at Sun.COM Wed May 3 02:09:23 2006 From: Martin.Man at Sun.COM (Martin Man) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:09:23 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457CB00.30308@Sun.COM> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CB00.30308@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <44587343.2040402@sun.com> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >> Meeting times: >> To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. >> I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll >> start meeting next week. >> >> Proposed days and times: >> 9am PT Tuesdays >> 7am PT Thursdays >> 9am PT Fridays Here in Europe, Tuesday and Thursdays anytime PDT works quite well, Friday is a party day and 7-9am PDT is an evening here :) > Thanks. > Bonnie thanx, Martin From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 3 07:00:43 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:00:43 -0500 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <4458B78B.60708@sun.com> Moazam Raja wrote: > Unfortunately, Stephen is right (not that he needed me to say so). Since the buttons aren't going to change at the same pace as the list of active users, so yeah, not an option. > > You could very well run into a situation where someone thinks "Hey, I > submitted 12 bugs and my name wasn't picked but some guy who won a > lottery got picked?! Forget this, I'm gonna go over to Linux/BSD > development!". > > Not worth it. > > Someone else had mentioned using code from ZFS instead. Just make sure > it doesn't have so many sleep() calls like the current code does though. The sleeps are caused by the cut. They seem to correspond nicely with the shape of the 1. Who would like to be in charge of providing me with some ZFS code? Pick a good bit of code and send it to me. > > -Moazam > > > > On May 2, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: > >> Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate >> statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a method, >> probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". >> >> -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide >> event. >> >> - Stephen >> >> * If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' >> names in the background field. >> >> --Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems >> stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From darkjoker at gmail.com Tue May 2 21:08:01 2006 From: darkjoker at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ignacio_Marambio_Cat=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 01:08:01 -0300 Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <44582144.8030902@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457EA30.9030805@sun.com> <44582144.8030902@sun.com> Message-ID: <44582CA1.8000404@gmail.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on >>> either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). >>> Sara >> >> >> I like the shirt. I blogged it and put it on flicker, too: >> http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jimgris?entry=almost_one >> >> There's a comment on my blog about the shirt, though, that the code >> contains too many "sleeps" ... > Weird. OK, I'll take a look. >> I really like the design, perhaps we should publish it as a wallpaper too? sorry, it's just that the great Netbeans wallpapers make me a bit jealous :) dumb question but, will we be able to see the black one if the shirt is black as well? nacho From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 2 21:16:55 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 23:16:55 -0500 Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <44582CA1.8000404@gmail.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CA8A.5050700@sun.com> <4457EA30.9030805@sun.com> <44582144.8030902@sun.com> <44582CA1.8000404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44582EB7.4000508@sun.com> Ignacio Marambio Cat?n wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> >>> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> >>>> Proposed shirt art attached. Sorry. This would go (in my opinion) on >>>> either a black or a blue shirt (like the blue in the wordmark). >>>> Sara >>>> >>> I like the shirt. I blogged it and put it on flicker, too: >>> http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jimgris?entry=almost_one >>> >>> There's a comment on my blog about the shirt, though, that the code >>> contains too many "sleeps" ... >>> >> Weird. OK, I'll take a look. >> > I really like the design, perhaps we should publish it as a wallpaper > too? sorry, it's just that the great Netbeans wallpapers make me a bit > jealous :) dumb question but, will we be able to see the black one if > the shirt is black as well? > I would say a yes on the wallpaper and a yes on the black. > nacho > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Wed May 3 07:40:57 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:40:57 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Banner Ads on Sun.com In-Reply-To: <445267FE.4020709@sun.com> References: <25632157.1146197002832.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <4452664A.7010301@sun.com> <445267FE.4020709@sun.com> Message-ID: <1146667257.3056.9.camel@haiiro> On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 12:07 -0700, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote: > > This is my suggestion for the banner ad. Let me know what you think. I > > don't think I was clear in my last mail that I was serious about it. > > > > OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word > > C-O-D-E > > Find out more > Absolutely love it. Right, me too - I like it. I understand Dan's thoughts about the traditional notion of what a 4 letter word is, but in this case, we're trying to say that it's not the one of 4 letter words you're thinking of, this tag line would hopefully catch your attention ("A four letter word ?") and then make you think about the letters that come after it ("Oh, it's about code - I wonder what that's about - maybe I should try to find out more about it ?") As for marketing phrases translating (not that I'm an expert) but I'd place a fair bet on saying that *no* marketing campaign translates well[1] All we can do, is have something that's a bit catchy, and *short* that people might remember: this fulfils all of those things. If anyone can come up with something better, we're all ears! cheers, tim [1] http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/timf?entry=buy_staroffice_and_give_birth -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Wed May 3 07:49:17 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:49:17 -0400 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <4458C2ED.1030904@sun.com> Stephen Hahn wrote: >* Sara Dornsife [2006-05-02 20:47]: > > >>There would have to be a way of narrowing down the list of names. The >>badges will only fit something like 40-50 IDs (I'm guessing) and they >>are in there (like the DTrace code is now). So we'd have to figure out >>who those people are. Most active on the lists is one way to narrow. And >>I agree, we should get permission to do it. Just cuz it's the polite >>thing to do. >> >> > > Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate > statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a method, > probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". > > -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide > event. > > - Stephen > >* If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' > names in the background field. > > > An award or recognition approach would be great. How about the list of contributors? Or people who have gone way above and beyond the call to make opensolaris code/community better-- LKR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Wed May 3 07:51:47 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:51:47 -0400 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> Moazam Raja wrote: > Unfortunately, Stephen is right (not that he needed me to say so). > > You could very well run into a situation where someone thinks "Hey, I > submitted 12 bugs and my name wasn't picked but some guy who won a > lottery got picked?! Forget this, I'm gonna go over to Linux/BSD > development!". > > Not worth it. > > Someone else had mentioned using code from ZFS instead. Just make > sure it doesn't have so many sleep() calls like the current code does > though. I think there are 30+ projects that are doing great stuff--and we'd just be highlighting one? Treating the names as recognition award for outstanding participation and contribution could work, and it would encourage folks to get on next years' t-shirt! > > > -Moazam > > > > On May 2, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: > >> Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate >> statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a >> method, >> probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". >> >> -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide >> event. >> >> - Stephen >> >> * If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' >> names in the background field. >> >> -- >> Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems >> stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Wed May 3 07:59:44 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:59:44 -0600 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> Message-ID: <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> Laura Ramsey wrote On 05/03/06 08:51,: > Moazam Raja wrote: > > >>Unfortunately, Stephen is right (not that he needed me to say so). >> >>You could very well run into a situation where someone thinks "Hey, I >>submitted 12 bugs and my name wasn't picked but some guy who won a >>lottery got picked?! Forget this, I'm gonna go over to Linux/BSD >>development!". >> >>Not worth it. >> >>Someone else had mentioned using code from ZFS instead. Just make >>sure it doesn't have so many sleep() calls like the current code does >>though. > > > I think there are 30+ projects that are doing great stuff--and we'd just > be highlighting one? > > Treating the names as recognition award for outstanding participation > and contribution could work, and it would encourage folks to get on next > years' t-shirt! I really don't like the idea of names. No matter how you do it - even awards - someone will feel left out, and the bad feelings just aren't worth it when we're trying to build the community - not separate it into factions. Even with awards, there's no way to do it that won't annoy someone - most code contributions? To what? ON? What about projects that are under development that haven't integrated into a consolidation yet? We don't yet have a way to track those contributions. How do you actually measure contributions like evangelizing? The most time spent on conferences? The most blog posts? How do you decide a blog post is relevant? -1 for names on a T-shirt - no matter how they are chosen. If we want to highlight community instead of code, perhaps a list of communities and/or projects. Or email aliases. But not names. Bonnie > > >> >>-Moazam >> >> >> >>On May 2, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: >> >> >>> Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate >>> statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a >>>method, >>> probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". >>> >>> -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide >>> event. >>> >>> - Stephen >>> >>>* If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' >>> names in the background field. >>> >>>-- >>>Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems >>>stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ >>>_______________________________________________ >>>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Wed May 3 08:20:25 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:20:25 -0400 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4458CA39.9080408@sun.com> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >Laura Ramsey wrote On 05/03/06 08:51,: > > >>Moazam Raja wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Unfortunately, Stephen is right (not that he needed me to say so). >>> >>>You could very well run into a situation where someone thinks "Hey, I >>>submitted 12 bugs and my name wasn't picked but some guy who won a >>>lottery got picked?! Forget this, I'm gonna go over to Linux/BSD >>>development!". >>> >>>Not worth it. >>> >>>Someone else had mentioned using code from ZFS instead. Just make >>>sure it doesn't have so many sleep() calls like the current code does >>>though. >>> >>> >>I think there are 30+ projects that are doing great stuff--and we'd just >>be highlighting one? >> >>Treating the names as recognition award for outstanding participation >>and contribution could work, and it would encourage folks to get on next >>years' t-shirt! >> >> > >I really don't like the idea of names. No matter how you do it - even >awards - someone will feel left out, and the bad feelings just aren't >worth it when we're trying to build the community - not separate it into >factions. > >Even with awards, there's no way to do it that won't annoy someone - >most code contributions? To what? ON? What about projects that are >under development that haven't integrated into a consolidation yet? We >don't yet have a way to track those contributions. How do you actually >measure contributions like evangelizing? The most time spent on >conferences? The most blog posts? How do you decide a blog post is > So, this is a good opening for another topic--on another thread--which is how do you do recognition / awards without hurting other's feelings. Recognition is a very important aspect to the community --and while there will always be people who are "hurt" that their contributions are not noted, but there will be many more who are motivated by achieving recognition. >relevant? > >-1 for names on a T-shirt - no matter how they are chosen. > >If we want to highlight community instead of code, perhaps a list of >communities and/or projects. Or email aliases. But not names. > +1 this might be a great way to go. There's so much going on...and just highlighting one project wouldn't seem fair either. > >Bonnie > > >> >> >>>-Moazam >>> >>> >>> >>>On May 2, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate >>>> statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a >>>>method, >>>> probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". >>>> >>>> -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide >>>> event. >>>> >>>> - Stephen >>>> >>>>* If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' >>>> names in the background field. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems >>>>stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So we'd have to >>> figure out >>> who those people are. Most active on the lists is one way to >>> narrow. And >>> I agree, we should get permission to do it. Just cuz it's the polite >>> thing to do. >>> >> Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate >> statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a >> method, >> probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". >> >> -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide >> event. >> >> - Stephen >> >> * If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' >> names in the background field. >> >> > An award or recognition approach would be great. How about the list > of contributors? Or people who have gone way above and beyond the > call to make opensolaris code/community better-- > I'm with Stephen. Listing people on a t-shirt in any way is divisive, and if the list implies merit it's even more so. 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The >>>> badges will only fit something like 40-50 IDs (I'm guessing) and they >>>> are in there (like the DTrace code is now). So we'd have to figure out >>>> who those people are. Most active on the lists is one way to narrow. And >>>> I agree, we should get permission to do it. Just cuz it's the polite >>>> thing to do. >>>> >>> Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate >>> statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a method, >>> probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". >>> >>> -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide >>> event. >>> >>> - Stephen >>> >>> * If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' >>> names in the background field. >>> >>> >> An award or recognition approach would be great. How about the list >> of contributors? Or people who have gone way above and beyond the >> call to make opensolaris code/community better-- >> > > I'm with Stephen. Listing people on a t-shirt in any way is divisive, > and if the list implies merit it's even more so. Yes, I am from that > pinko-liberal school that opposes sports at school too :-) > > Now, someone did suggest using code from a community put-back instead > of from the original code. That could be done without implying greater > merit. Except, how do we choose which put back? > > S. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 3 09:32:26 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:32:26 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] [Fwd: ZFS code snippet] Message-ID: <4458DB1A.3070504@sun.com> In the anniversary email I mentioned blank CDs with screenprinting on them. Conversations ensued about what should go on these CDs (distros or SXCR or a mix or what). If we go with SXCR and tools, we can fit it all on one CD, but only Sun can distribute due to licensing rules. It means we can't post the ISO up on the site for user groups to use etc. Why is this on the ZFS code snippet email? (Thanks Tim) Since Sun has plenty of events coming up, we can do a blank CD (could even get a couple produced at the factory of current build) with the OpenSolaris fan button on the cover. Do we want to change out the code snippet on those? We have plans to use this in the booth at JavaOne in two weeks, so I would need input quickly. We can use what we have now. I will leave some blank space on the artwork so that the build number can written in and stuff. I will send it around when it is ready for input. Sara -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ZFS code snippet Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:33:05 +0100 From: Tim Foster Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. To: Sara Dornsife Hi Sara, Here's some code from ZFS - is this enough, or do you need more ? It's not quite the one Dan mentioned, but close (from http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/zio.c#306 ) cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: snippet URL: From dp at eng.sun.com Wed May 3 10:26:45 2006 From: dp at eng.sun.com (Dan Price) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:26:45 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [Fwd: ZFS code snippet] In-Reply-To: <4458DB1A.3070504@sun.com> References: <4458DB1A.3070504@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060503172644.GQ16759@eng.sun.com> On Wed 03 May 2006 at 11:32AM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Here's some code from ZFS - is this enough, or do you need more ? It's > not quite the one Dan mentioned, but close (from > http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/zio.c#306 > ) This is good too. What I liked about the code I mentioned is that it's a core part of the way ZFS "self heals" bad data. But make sure to ask Jeff/Bill for his input. -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - dp at eng.sun.com - blogs.sun.com/dp From rich.teer at rite-group.com Wed May 3 11:33:05 2006 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> References: <4457D3BC.6000800@sun.com> <20060502222022.GC16759@eng.sun.com> <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2006, Sara Dornsife wrote: > There would have to be a way of narrowing down the list of names. The badges > will only fit something like 40-50 IDs (I'm guessing) and they are in there > (like the DTrace code is now). So we'd have to figure out who those people > are. Most active on the lists is one way to narrow. And I agree, we should get > permission to do it. Just cuz it's the polite thing to do. AGreed. I hereby give my permission for my user ID (rich or richteer) to be used on a shirt. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ opensolaris-mktg mailing list opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Wed May 3 12:08:36 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:08:36 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [Fwd: ZFS code snippet] In-Reply-To: <20060503172644.GQ16759@eng.sun.com> References: <4458DB1A.3070504@sun.com> <20060503172644.GQ16759@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <1146683316.5954.20.camel@haiiro> On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 10:26 -0700, Dan Price wrote: > On Wed 03 May 2006 at 11:32AM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > Here's some code from ZFS - is this enough, or do you need more ? It's > > not quite the one Dan mentioned, but close (from > > http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/zio.c#306 > > ) > > This is good too. What I liked about the code I mentioned is that it's > a core part of the way ZFS "self heals" bad data. But make sure to ask > Jeff/Bill for his input. Mm, you're right, but is it art ? ;-) Plain aesthetics really were mostly the only reason I tried for something else - the mixture of upper and lower case code looked a bit more pleasing to my highly untrained eye (oh, and I like the sentiment of using zio, being a bit fundamental) Och anyway - both are attached here, either are fine by me really, I don't care that much ... Of course, the *ultimate* thing to do here, would be to produce a limited run of "originals", each OpenSolaris t-shirt being unique, with a different snippet of code on each one, with the most recent code submitter of that snippet having their signature embossed in gold leaf on the bottom left of the logo, uh wait - I'm getting carried away here... it's just a t-shirt :-) cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf -------------- next part -------------- zio_t * zio_read(zio_t *pio, spa_t *spa, blkptr_t *bp, void *data, uint64_t size, zio_done_func_t *done, void *private, int priority, int flags, zbookmark_t *zb) { zio_t *zio; ASSERT3U(size, ==, BP_GET_LSIZE(bp)); zio = zio_create(pio, spa, bp->blk_birth, bp, data, size, done, private, ZIO_TYPE_READ, priority, flags, ZIO_STAGE_OPEN, ZIO_READ_PIPELINE); zio->io_bookmark = *zb; zio->io_logical = zio; /* * Work off our copy of the bp so the caller can free it. */ zio->io_bp = &zio->io_bp_copy; if (BP_GET_COMPRESS(bp) != ZIO_COMPRESS_OFF) { uint64_t csize = BP_GET_PSIZE(bp); void *cbuf = zio_buf_alloc(csize); zio_push_transform(zio, cbuf, csize, csize); zio->io_pipeline |= 1U << ZIO_STAGE_READ_DECOMPRESS; } if (BP_IS_GANG(bp)) { uint64_t gsize = SPA_GANGBLOCKSIZE; void *gbuf = zio_buf_alloc(gsize); zio_push_transform(zio, gbuf, gsize, gsize); zio->io_pipeline |= 1U << ZIO_STAGE_READ_GANG_MEMBERS; } return (zio); } -------------- next part -------------- /* * We know the data's good. If we read the parity, * verify that it's good as well. If not, fix it. */ for (c = 0; c < rm->rm_firstdatacol; c++) { void *orig; rc = &rm->rm_col[c]; if (!rc->rc_tried) continue; orig = zio_buf_alloc(rc->rc_size); bcopy(rc->rc_data, orig, rc->rc_size); vdev_raidz_reconstruct(rm, c); if (bcmp(orig, rc->rc_data, rc->rc_size) != 0) { raidz_checksum_error(zio, rc); rc->rc_error = ECKSUM; unexpected_errors++; } zio_buf_free(orig, rc->rc_size); } goto done; From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 3 14:37:33 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:37:33 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> Message-ID: <4459229D.10409@sun.com> Thank you for getting involved. We'll have our first meeting next week. The most popular time slot was Thurs at 7am PT. (May 11 is first meeting) Let's move this conversation over to opensolaris-mktg and leave these other aliases alone. Dial-in 866-545-5198 865 521-8904 (int'l) 558-7579 (participant code) I will send around a reminder and an agenda before the meeting. Sara Sara Dornsife wrote: > I'd like to start weekly meetings for those interested in working on > the one year anniversary celebration team for OpenSolaris. We've had > some emails going around and some things have been proposed. It's time > to prioritize those ideas and start working on them. There is a lot on > this list and we may not be able to do all of it, but with volunteers, > we can do more. > > I've included the lists and people who shown an interest in these > activities. > > I've listed out what has been proposed so far. If you can't > participate in the meetings, but would like to participate in email, > you can do that. We'll keep this conversation going on the marketing > alias. If you haven't subscribed, you should. > > Below is the initial list of things to be discussed. These are in no > particular order. > > Proposed ideas: > - banner ads on sun.com > We've got these, so let's use them. Idea that has gotten the most > traction so far is: > > C-O-D-E > OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word > > We have the ability to do another one as well. These need to be > prioritized and someone needs to drive the activity. > > - Worldwide user group meeting > Have all of the existing (and any new ones that want to start up to > participate) hold a meeting on June 14th. All attendees will receive a > gift (t-shirt, stickers, laptop stickers, car electrostatic clings) > and a webcast with "celebrity" will be created to be seen at those > meetings. > > - DVDs vs CDs Create DVDs (or should it be CDs need to decide) of one > or all of the distributions to send out to anyone who requests one for > a period of time around the anniversary. Also make them available for > shows, events, meetings, user groups, etc. > > - Pre-printed DVD/CDs > We can make blank DVD/CDs that are pre-printed that can be sent out > for anyone who wants them to distribute. Need to decide what these say > on them (if we want to do them)? > > NOTE: Solaris Express is not redistributable, so can only be available > through Sun. Need to know of any restrictions on the other distros. > > - T-shirts > First anniversary t-shirts. Proposed design attached. We can send > these to the user groups. Sending them out individually is cost > prohibitive, but maybe we can figure out a way to make them available > - our yahoo store or cafepress? How long are they relevant? Would we > want to give them out at OSCon in August for example? > > - laptop stickers > These have been requested in the past and I know that there are plenty > of people who would like to stick an OpenSolaris sticker on their > laptop. We could send these to the user groups as part of the gift > pack and we can make them available on the store. I would recommend > that these be more generic and not specifically one year. > > - Electostatic clings > In case you are unfamiliar, these are non-stickers that cling to the > inside of your car window and peal off easily. You can show your > enthusiasm while you drive around in traffic. > > - Install guides > We've talked about creating easy to use install guides for newbies and > getting them out on the site and linked to from blogs. Maybe the > install guides could include a screencast to help people get there > more quickly. > > - Blogs > So many people blogged on Opening Day. If people would also blog on > the anniversary and talk about their experiences this first year, it > would be great for the project. > > - Web site update > The tshirt art is available and could be used on the web site if > people like it (that goes for the shirt too). We've also been working > on updating content like the FAQs. I'm sure there are other things as > well. We'd need a rep from the web team to join us in our calls. > > Other activities: > - Update of our field communications (explain) > This is a very Sun focused activity aimed at our sales force, but you > can have input on the content if you want. > > - Single slide showing one year snapshot (available on site) > We have some pretty impressive stats about this community as you know. > Well we need to provide people at Sun with a slide that they can > insert into a deck that shows that. That slide can be made available > on the site for anyone who wants to add that data to their deck. > > - PR outreach > Possible stories include "switch stories" from those that have > switched to Solaris because of OpenSolaris and reinforcement of open > source messages - we are open source you morons. > > Meeting times: > To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. > I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll > start meeting next week. > > Proposed days and times: > 9am PT Tuesdays > 7am PT Thursdays > 9am PT Fridays > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From theuser at orbit.in-berlin.de Wed May 3 15:29:16 2006 From: theuser at orbit.in-berlin.de (Tatjana S Heuser) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:29:16 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Translating the OpenSolaris Book from German into English...? In-Reply-To: <443D0182.7080808@sun.com> Message-ID: <6459667.1146695386117.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> We've met with our publisher today discussing the current trademark issue (concerning the use of the term "OpenSolaris" in the title of the book) and upcoming projects (books, more books, and possible translations). Springer owns all the rights to translations and they'll happily publish them once they're done. That leaves the questions of who, how, and when. -- Tatjana This message posted from opensolaris.org From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Thu May 4 03:19:57 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (patrick finch) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:19:57 +0200 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4459D54D.3080602@holland.sun.com> Quick trivia item: in 2001 the Spanish soccer team Deportivo Alavez (relative minnows) made it to a European final. To celebrate their day in the sun, they produced a jersey for the game that had the names of all their season ticket holders embroidered into it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/uefa_cup/1331213.stm It was 13,000 names - almost exactly the same size as the OpenSolaris community. Sadly, I don't think that the same budget and techniques are available to us, but it got me dreaming... More seriously, I think the right question is > If we want to highlight community instead of code A year ago we highlighted community. It was about the community, the launch was entirely community-centric, and one of the great successes of the past year has been the relentless growth of a highly constructive community. Now, highlighting C-O-D-E has the advantage of taking some of the religious sting out "which OS" debates and highlighting the strength of OpenSolaris (its leadership in innovative concepts) and the code theme to the fan buttons and tshirts has been universally appreciated. Against that, I don't think the message that OpenSolaris is exclusively about code is what we want to say. Litterally, if someone asked me what OpenSolaris is all about, my answer would not be "code". Fundamentally, it's about community, a community built around a base of particularly special code. Fedora and Ubuntu, to name two Linux communities, understand this very well. And honestly, I'd say that OpenSolaris has walked this talk all year long too, so why back away from it now? Graphically, I think the code looks cool. In terms of a message, I think we should emphasise the growth, good governance and quality of the community. Patrick Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Laura Ramsey wrote On 05/03/06 08:51,: > >>Moazam Raja wrote: >> >> >> >>>Unfortunately, Stephen is right (not that he needed me to say so). >>> >>>You could very well run into a situation where someone thinks "Hey, I >>>submitted 12 bugs and my name wasn't picked but some guy who won a >>>lottery got picked?! Forget this, I'm gonna go over to Linux/BSD >>>development!". >>> >>>Not worth it. >>> >>>Someone else had mentioned using code from ZFS instead. Just make >>>sure it doesn't have so many sleep() calls like the current code does >>>though. >> >> >>I think there are 30+ projects that are doing great stuff--and we'd just >>be highlighting one? >> >>Treating the names as recognition award for outstanding participation >>and contribution could work, and it would encourage folks to get on next >>years' t-shirt! > > > I really don't like the idea of names. No matter how you do it - even > awards - someone will feel left out, and the bad feelings just aren't > worth it when we're trying to build the community - not separate it into > factions. > > Even with awards, there's no way to do it that won't annoy someone - > most code contributions? To what? ON? What about projects that are > under development that haven't integrated into a consolidation yet? We > don't yet have a way to track those contributions. How do you actually > measure contributions like evangelizing? The most time spent on > conferences? The most blog posts? How do you decide a blog post is > relevant? > > -1 for names on a T-shirt - no matter how they are chosen. > > If we want to highlight community instead of code, perhaps a list of > communities and/or projects. Or email aliases. But not names. > > Bonnie > >> >>>-Moazam >>> >>> >>> >>>On May 2, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate >>>> statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a >>>>method, >>>> probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". >>>> >>>> -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide >>>> event. >>>> >>>> - Stephen >>>> >>>>* If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' >>>> names in the background field. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems >>>>stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 4 07:14:33 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:14:33 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [Fwd: ZFS code snippet] In-Reply-To: <1146683316.5954.20.camel@haiiro> References: <4458DB1A.3070504@sun.com> <20060503172644.GQ16759@eng.sun.com> <1146683316.5954.20.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <445A0C49.6080106@sun.com> Bill and Jeff like the zio read. We have a time crunch for JavaOne, can we get a quick vote on replacing the DTrace code in the background of the fan buttons for the anniversary stuff with the ZFS code? Sara Tim Foster wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 10:26 -0700, Dan Price wrote: > >> On Wed 03 May 2006 at 11:32AM, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> Here's some code from ZFS - is this enough, or do you need more ? It's >>> not quite the one Dan mentioned, but close (from >>> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/zio.c#306 >>> ) >>> >> This is good too. What I liked about the code I mentioned is that it's >> a core part of the way ZFS "self heals" bad data. But make sure to ask >> Jeff/Bill for his input. >> > > Mm, you're right, but is it art ? ;-) Plain aesthetics really were > mostly the only reason I tried for something else - the mixture of upper > and lower case code looked a bit more pleasing to my highly untrained > eye (oh, and I like the sentiment of using zio, being a bit fundamental) > > Och anyway - both are attached here, either are fine by me really, I > don't care that much ... > > Of course, the *ultimate* thing to do here, would be to produce a > limited run of "originals", each OpenSolaris t-shirt being unique, with > a different snippet of code on each one, with the most recent code > submitter of that snippet having their signature embossed in gold leaf > on the bottom left of the logo, uh wait - I'm getting carried away > here... > > it's just a t-shirt :-) > > cheers, > tim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > zio_t * zio_read(zio_t *pio, spa_t *spa, blkptr_t *bp, void *data, uint64_t size, zio_done_func_t *done, void *private, int priority, int flags, zbookmark_t *zb) { zio_t *zio; ASSERT3U(size, ==, BP_GET_LSIZE(bp)); zio = zio_create(pio, spa, bp->blk_birth, bp, data, size, done, private, ZIO_TYPE_READ, priority, flags, ZIO_STAGE_OPEN, ZIO_READ_PIPELINE); zio->io_bookmark = *zb; zio->io_logical = zio; /* * Work off our copy of the bp so the caller can free it. */ zio->io_bp = &zio->io_bp_copy; if (BP_GET_COMPRESS(bp) != ZIO_COMPRESS_OFF) { uint64_t csize = BP_GET_PSIZE(bp); void *cbuf = zio_buf_alloc(csize); zio_push_transform(zio, cbuf, csize, csize); zio->io_pipeline |= 1U << ZIO_STAGE_READ_DECOMPRESS; } if (BP_IS_GANG(bp)) { uint64_t gsize = SPA_GANGBLOCKSIZE; void *gbuf = zio_buf_alloc(gsize); zio_push_transform(zio, gbuf, gsize, gsize); zio->io_pipeline |= 1U << ZIO_STAGE_READ_GANG_MEMBERS; } return (zio); } > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > /* * We know the data's good. If we read the parity, * verify that it's good as well. If not, fix it. */ for (c = 0; c < rm->rm_firstdatacol; c++) { void *orig; rc = &rm->rm_col[c]; if (!rc->rc_tried) continue; orig = zio_buf_alloc(rc->rc_size); bcopy(rc->rc_data, orig, rc->rc_size); vdev_raidz_reconstruct(rm, c); if (bcmp(orig, rc->rc_data, rc->rc_size) != 0) { raidz_checksum_error(zio, rc); rc->rc_error = ECKSUM; unexpected_errors++; } zio_buf_free(orig, rc->rc_size); } goto done; > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Thu May 4 07:46:23 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 15:46:23 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [Fwd: ZFS code snippet] In-Reply-To: <445A0C49.6080106@sun.com> References: <4458DB1A.3070504@sun.com> <20060503172644.GQ16759@eng.sun.com> <1146683316.5954.20.camel@haiiro> <445A0C49.6080106@sun.com> Message-ID: <1146753983.8633.6.camel@haiiro> Cool, in that case, it gets my vote. On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 09:14 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Bill and Jeff like the zio read. > > We have a time crunch for JavaOne, can we get a quick vote on > replacing the DTrace code in the background of the fan buttons for the > anniversary stuff with the ZFS code? > Sara > > > Tim Foster wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 10:26 -0700, Dan Price wrote: > > > > > On Wed 03 May 2006 at 11:32AM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > > > > Here's some code from ZFS - is this enough, or do you need more ? It's > > > > not quite the one Dan mentioned, but close (from > > > > http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/zio.c#306 > > > > ) > > > > > > > This is good too. What I liked about the code I mentioned is that it's > > > a core part of the way ZFS "self heals" bad data. But make sure to ask > > > Jeff/Bill for his input. > > > > > > > Mm, you're right, but is it art ? ;-) Plain aesthetics really were > > mostly the only reason I tried for something else - the mixture of upper > > and lower case code looked a bit more pleasing to my highly untrained > > eye (oh, and I like the sentiment of using zio, being a bit fundamental) > > > > Och anyway - both are attached here, either are fine by me really, I > > don't care that much ... > > > > Of course, the *ultimate* thing to do here, would be to produce a > > limited run of "originals", each OpenSolaris t-shirt being unique, with > > a different snippet of code on each one, with the most recent code > > submitter of that snippet having their signature embossed in gold leaf > > on the bottom left of the logo, uh wait - I'm getting carried away > > here... > > > > it's just a t-shirt :-) > > > > cheers, > > tim > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > zio_t * zio_read(zio_t *pio, spa_t *spa, blkptr_t *bp, void *data, uint64_t size, zio_done_func_t *done, void *private, int priority, int flags, zbookmark_t *zb) { zio_t *zio; ASSERT3U(size, ==, BP_GET_LSIZE(bp)); zio = zio_create(pio, spa, bp->blk_birth, bp, data, size, done, private, ZIO_TYPE_READ, priority, flags, ZIO_STAGE_OPEN, ZIO_READ_PIPELINE); zio->io_bookmark = *zb; zio->io_logical = zio; /* * Work off our copy of the bp so the caller can free it. */ zio->io_bp = &zio->io_bp_copy; if (BP_GET_COMPRESS(bp) != ZIO_COMPRESS_OFF) { uint64_t csize = BP_GET_PSIZE(bp); void *cbuf = zio_buf_alloc(csize); zio_push_transform(zio, cbuf, csize, csize); zio->io_pipeline |= 1U << ZIO_STAGE_READ_DECOMPRESS; } if (BP_IS_GANG(bp)) { uint64_t gsize = SPA_GANGBLOCKSIZE; void *gbuf = zio_buf_alloc(gsize); zio_push_transform(zio, gbuf, gsize, gsize); zio->io_pipeline |= 1U << ZIO_STAGE_READ_GANG_MEMBERS; } return (zio); } > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > /* * We know the data's good. If we read the parity, * verify that it's good as well. If not, fix it. */ for (c = 0; c < rm->rm_firstdatacol; c++) { void *orig; rc = &rm->rm_col[c]; if (!rc->rc_tried) continue; orig = zio_buf_alloc(rc->rc_size); bcopy(rc->rc_data, orig, rc->rc_size); vdev_raidz_reconstruct(rm, c); if (bcmp(orig, rc->rc_data, rc->rc_size) != 0) { raidz_checksum_error(zio, rc); rc->rc_error = ECKSUM; unexpected_errors++; } zio_buf_free(orig, rc->rc_size); } goto done; > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Wed May 3 16:51:51 2006 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:51:51 +1200 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <44594217.8080003@sun.com> Hi, Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Even with awards, there's no way to do it that won't annoy someone - > most code contributions? To what? ON? What about projects that are > under development that haven't integrated into a consolidation yet? We > don't yet have a way to track those contributions. How do you actually > measure contributions like evangelizing? The most time spent on > conferences? The most blog posts? How do you decide a blog post is > relevant? You'd be surprised how easy it is. You could just get the community to vote, much like the current OPG People's Awards. We've got one award in GNOME, 'The Thank You Pants' [1] which get passed on each year to someone who has excelled within the community - whether technical, or social. That person is picked by the previous winner of the pants. It probably costs more money to put them in a suitcase each year and bring them to GUADEC our yearly conference. It's a nice way of keeping it fun, and thanking people who do great things, without any financial overhead. Similarly for the 'Rusty Wrench' that gets passed each Linux.conf.au for community building. Glynn [1] 'Pants off' being a relatively famous catchphrase within our community From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 4 11:10:05 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:10:05 -0500 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4459D54D.3080602@holland.sun.com> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> <4459D54D.3080602@holland.sun.com> Message-ID: <445A437D.9040302@sun.com> patrick finch wrote: > Quick trivia item: in 2001 the Spanish soccer team Deportivo Alavez > (relative minnows) made it to a European final. To celebrate their day > in the sun, they produced a jersey for the game that had the names of > all their season ticket holders embroidered into it. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/uefa_cup/1331213.stm > > It was 13,000 names - almost exactly the same size as the OpenSolaris > community. Sadly, I don't think that the same budget and techniques are > available to us, but it got me dreaming... > This sort of thing could be done using the same process as the opensource shirts. I would personally prefer the other, but I am only one vote. > > > > More seriously, I think the right question is > > >> If we want to highlight community instead of code >> > > A year ago we highlighted community. It was about the community, the > launch was entirely community-centric, and one of the great successes of > the past year has been the relentless growth of a highly constructive > community. > > Now, highlighting C-O-D-E has the advantage of taking some of the > religious sting out "which OS" debates and highlighting the strength of > OpenSolaris (its leadership in innovative concepts) and the code theme > to the fan buttons and tshirts has been universally appreciated. > > Against that, I don't think the message that OpenSolaris is exclusively > about code is what we want to say. Litterally, if someone asked me what > OpenSolaris is all about, my answer would not be "code". Fundamentally, > it's about community, a community built around a base of particularly > special code. > > Fedora and Ubuntu, to name two Linux communities, understand this very > well. And honestly, I'd say that OpenSolaris has walked this talk all > year long too, so why back away from it now? > > Graphically, I think the code looks cool. In terms of a message, I > think we should emphasise the growth, good governance and quality of the > community. > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > Bonnie Corwin wrote: > >> Laura Ramsey wrote On 05/03/06 08:51,: >> >> >>> Moazam Raja wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Unfortunately, Stephen is right (not that he needed me to say so). >>>> >>>> You could very well run into a situation where someone thinks "Hey, I >>>> submitted 12 bugs and my name wasn't picked but some guy who won a >>>> lottery got picked?! Forget this, I'm gonna go over to Linux/BSD >>>> development!". >>>> >>>> Not worth it. >>>> >>>> Someone else had mentioned using code from ZFS instead. Just make >>>> sure it doesn't have so many sleep() calls like the current code does >>>> though. >>>> >>> I think there are 30+ projects that are doing great stuff--and we'd just >>> be highlighting one? >>> >>> Treating the names as recognition award for outstanding participation >>> and contribution could work, and it would encourage folks to get on next >>> years' t-shirt! >>> >> I really don't like the idea of names. No matter how you do it - even >> awards - someone will feel left out, and the bad feelings just aren't >> worth it when we're trying to build the community - not separate it into >> factions. >> >> Even with awards, there's no way to do it that won't annoy someone - >> most code contributions? To what? ON? What about projects that are >> under development that haven't integrated into a consolidation yet? We >> don't yet have a way to track those contributions. How do you actually >> measure contributions like evangelizing? The most time spent on >> conferences? The most blog posts? How do you decide a blog post is >> relevant? >> >> -1 for names on a T-shirt - no matter how they are chosen. >> >> If we want to highlight community instead of code, perhaps a list of >> communities and/or projects. Or email aliases. But not names. >> >> Bonnie >> >> >>>> -Moazam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 2, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Whereas 20 lines of code won't make the other millions of inanimate >>>>> statements feel left out, picking 50 people, by however fair a >>>>> method, >>>>> probably will make some of the other 12 000 wonder "why not me?". >>>>> >>>>> -1 on people's names instead of code, at least for a community-wide >>>>> event. >>>>> >>>>> - Stephen >>>>> >>>>> * If you wanted to have awards, then I could see using award winners' >>>>> names in the background field. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems >>>>> stephen.hahn at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 4 11:20:31 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:20:31 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) Message-ID: <445A45EF.4000701@sun.com> In the spirit of Laura's suggestion to include the user IDs on the anniversary tshirt, I got to thinking of ways of showing recognition for community members. I've included website-discuss since this would involve site changes. Visualize a tag cloud. The cloud includes user IDs instead of tags and shows visually who is the most active (by that ID being the largest) on certain projects or within certain communities. There can be different "clouds" for each. These "clouds" could be page headers or sidebars. Sara From dclarke at blastwave.org Thu May 4 11:34:25 2006 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) In-Reply-To: <445A45EF.4000701@sun.com> References: <445A45EF.4000701@sun.com> Message-ID: <2536.209.226.147.63.1146767665.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > In the spirit of Laura's suggestion to include the user IDs on the > anniversary tshirt, I got to thinking of ways of showing recognition for > community members. I've included website-discuss since this would > involve site changes. > > Visualize a tag cloud. The cloud includes user IDs instead of tags and > shows visually who is the most active (by that ID being the largest) on > certain projects or within certain communities. There can be different > "clouds" for each. These "clouds" could be page headers or sidebars. > Sara > Something about this idea .. feels wrong. Guys like Ben Rockwood don't make a lot of noise on the OpenSolaris site but he is clearly a huge voice to be heard. I make a lot of noise but am not necessarily a great contributor. Guys like Rich Teer are rarely heard from but he is a real leader and has been for many years. For whom do we speak ? OKay .. I am not a pinko socialist type yet I think that putting up particular individuals names on the website or a T-shirt is not hitting the right audience? Isn't that like "preaching to the choir" while people wander lost and unsaved out there in the streets ? -- Dennis Clarke From young.j.song at sun.com Thu May 4 14:49:21 2006 From: young.j.song at sun.com (Young Joo Song) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:49:21 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Translating the OpenSolaris Book from German into English...? In-Reply-To: <6459667.1146695386117.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <12066372.1146779391202.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Do you mean that if there is English translation, the publisher will publish the book for free for OS.o? The URL obviously has description on the book in German. Can someone tell me a little more about the book? How many pages are there? I assume the volume is pretty large, given the price. ;-) Young This message posted from opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 4 15:05:59 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:05:59 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Translating the OpenSolaris Book from German into English...? In-Reply-To: <6459667.1146695386117.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <6459667.1146695386117.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <445A7AC7.5060809@sun.com> Hi Tatjana, Could you tell me more about the book title issue? There shouldn't be any issue at all and I'd like to help you with that. There are specific guidelines for book titles at http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/#20d that may clarify things. There are a lot of books out there with Sun trademarks in the title. Right Rich? Please let me know what I can do to help. Sara Tatjana S Heuser wrote: > We've met with our publisher today discussing the current trademark issue (concerning the use of the term "OpenSolaris" in the title of the book) and upcoming projects (books, more books, and possible translations). Springer owns all the rights to translations and they'll happily publish them once they're done. That leaves the questions of who, how, and when. > -- Tatjana > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu May 4 15:15:51 2006 From: schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 00:15:51 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Translating the OpenSolaris Book from German into English...? In-Reply-To: <12066372.1146779391202.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <12066372.1146779391202.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <445A7D17.nailCMU11B7MY@burner> Young Joo Song wrote: > Do you mean that if there is English translation, the publisher will publish the book for free for OS.o? If the publisher will do everyting by it's own, it will take a long time and it will be expensive for the publisher so he will probably wait a long time even to start with the enterprise. As the publisher has the world wide rights on the book, it will be the decision of the publisher what happens with an english version. > The URL obviously has description on the book in German. Can someone tell me a little more about the book? How many pages are there? I assume the volume is pretty large, given the price. ;-) It has 1200 pages. The reason for the high price is not only the number of pages but also the fact that it uses better paper than a typical US made book and that is has a much better binding (it is a real thread based binding....). Another reason for the high price is the fixed price in Germany, Austria and Switzerland which allows small booksellers to sell low volume books. The edition is limited to 5000 books, an English edition would most likely have a three times higher number and thus may be cheaper. Do you have an idea on how to help to have an English translation earlier? We (the authors) did yesterday talk about the possibility to find a way to have an English translation in about a year. But then we would need several translators who understand the content. BTW: does somebody know how many of Rich Teers books have been printed? J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From rich.teer at rite-group.com Thu May 4 15:37:53 2006 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 15:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) In-Reply-To: <2536.209.226.147.63.1146767665.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <445A45EF.4000701@sun.com> <2536.209.226.147.63.1146767665.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2006, Dennis Clarke wrote: > not necessarily a great contributor. Guys like Rich Teer are rarely heard > from but he is a real leader and has been for many years. *Blush* Thanks, Dennis. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Thu May 4 16:30:20 2006 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:30:20 +1200 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4459D54D.3080602@holland.sun.com> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> <4459D54D.3080602@holland.sun.com> Message-ID: <445A8E8C.5010603@sun.com> Hey, patrick finch wrote: > Now, highlighting C-O-D-E has the advantage of taking some of the > religious sting out "which OS" debates and highlighting the strength of > OpenSolaris (its leadership in innovative concepts) and the code theme > to the fan buttons and tshirts has been universally appreciated. > > Against that, I don't think the message that OpenSolaris is exclusively > about code is what we want to say. Litterally, if someone asked me what > OpenSolaris is all about, my answer would not be "code". Fundamentally, > it's about community, a community built around a base of particularly > special code. > > Fedora and Ubuntu, to name two Linux communities, understand this very > well. And honestly, I'd say that OpenSolaris has walked this talk all > year long too, so why back away from it now? > > Graphically, I think the code looks cool. In terms of a message, I > think we should emphasise the growth, good governance and quality of the > community. I absolutely agree with Patrick on this one. We know we have the code - I'd like to see some more focus around the community. I'm personally a bit tired of the current code background, regardless of whatever code is chosen [1]. Glynn [1] Perhaps it's because I'm a user-space weener :) From benr at cuddletech.com Fri May 5 01:56:30 2006 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 01:56:30 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne Message-ID: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> JavaOne is just around the corner. Time to get planning. Some questions for those in "the know": - Do we have a pod already? - Do we have anyone staffed yet? - Do we have any OpenSolaris events planned/schedualed? etc... Alan Duboff has been planning to have an OpenSolaris Users Group Meeting during the show, to open up the user groups to a much wider audience than usual, but I haven't seen firm details on that yet. Beyond that, who plans on being there? I've taken a lot of time off work lately for MySQL UC and other Sun related events, so I may be there one day but no more than that. benr. From spp at unixsa.net Fri May 5 07:06:45 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 07:06:45 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Upcoming Anniversary Activities for In-Reply-To: <44526C79.6040601@sun.com> Message-ID: <13930076.1146838035220.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > If we made a special commemorative t-shirt and put it > on the Sun open source cafepress store (or anywhere > else that might be convenient), then people could > purchase it at cost. I'd rather pay a little bit more and get a better item than to go through cafepress. I have not been at all impressed with any of the items I've gotten from them. -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From stevel at sun.com Fri May 5 07:45:03 2006 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 07:45:03 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne In-Reply-To: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> References: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <445B64EF.8070802@sun.com> Ben Rockwood wrote: > JavaOne is just around the corner. Time to get planning. > > Some questions for those in "the know": > - Do we have a pod already? > - Do we have anyone staffed yet? > - Do we have any OpenSolaris events planned/schedualed? > etc... > > > Alan Duboff has been planning to have an OpenSolaris Users Group Meeting > during the show, to open up the user groups to a much wider audience > than usual, but I haven't seen firm details on that yet. > > Beyond that, who plans on being there? I've taken a lot of time off > work lately for MySQL UC and other Sun related events, so I may be there > one day but no more than that. > > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org I'm manning the OpenSolaris pod on Tuesday.. -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri May 5 08:01:33 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:01:33 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Upcoming Anniversary Activities for In-Reply-To: <13930076.1146838035220.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <13930076.1146838035220.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <445B68CD.2040302@sun.com> Stephen Potter wrote: >> If we made a special commemorative t-shirt and put it >> on the Sun open source cafepress store (or anywhere >> else that might be convenient), then people could >> purchase it at cost. >> > > I'd rather pay a little bit more and get a better item than to > go through cafepress. I have not been at all impressed with > any of the items I've gotten from them. > I'll look into options. Sara > -spp > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri May 5 08:10:57 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:10:57 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne In-Reply-To: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> References: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <445B6B01.3030106@sun.com> Hey Ben. Laura is managing this for us and she is out today. I will cover what I can and she can fill you in on the rest when she returns. Ben Rockwood wrote: > JavaOne is just around the corner. Time to get planning. > > Some questions for those in "the know": > - Do we have a pod already? Yes. OpenSolaris has a pod in Sun's booth. > - Do we have anyone staffed yet? I think so, this is a Laura question. > - Do we have any OpenSolaris events planned/schedualed? Again, Laura. > etc... > > > Alan Duboff has been planning to have an OpenSolaris Users Group > Meeting during the show, to open up the user groups to a much wider > audience than usual, but I haven't seen firm details on that yet. > > Beyond that, who plans on being there? I've taken a lot of time off > work lately for MySQL UC and other Sun related events, so I may be > there one day but no more than that. > > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Fri May 5 08:45:05 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:45:05 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Upcoming Anniversary Activities for In-Reply-To: <445B68CD.2040302@sun.com> References: <13930076.1146838035220.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <445B68CD.2040302@sun.com> Message-ID: <1146843905.8929.213.camel@haiiro> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 10:01 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > I'd rather pay a little bit more and get a better item than to > > go through cafepress. I have not been at all impressed with > > any of the items I've gotten from them. > > > I'll look into options. For what it's worth, I really liked the OpenSolaris spreadshirt t-shirt I bought (it was pretty good quality) http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?op=article&article_id=1556253#top -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri May 5 09:02:36 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:02:36 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Open Source Licensing White Paper available Message-ID: <445B771C.5070201@sun.com> I've put an Open Source Licensing White Paper up on the marketing site at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/articles_videos_stuff/. The paper is based on Simon Phipps' Zen of Free and discusses the various classes of open source licenses. Sara From Young.J.Song at Sun.COM Fri May 5 09:05:28 2006 From: Young.J.Song at Sun.COM (Young Song) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:05:28 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Translating the OpenSolaris Book from German into English...? In-Reply-To: <445A7D17.nailCMU11B7MY@burner> References: <12066372.1146779391202.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <445A7D17.nailCMU11B7MY@burner> Message-ID: <445B77C8.8050504@Sun.COM> Hi! Thanks for the information on the book. > Do you have an idea on how to help to have an English translation earlier? > We (the authors) did yesterday talk about the possibility to find a way to > have an English translation in about a year. But then we would need several > translators who understand the content. Not really at the moment. I'm in i18n community, so the topic of translation grabbed my attention. I thought it could be a community project, but since the translations are owned by the publisher (i.e. may not be open sourced), I doubt it's interesting to the community... Young From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Fri May 5 10:16:27 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:16:27 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Upcoming Anniversary Activities for In-Reply-To: <22458.159.53.78.144.1146849571.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> References: <13930076.1146838035220.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <445B68CD.2040302@sun.com> <1146843905.8929.213.camel@haiiro> <22458.159.53.78.144.1146849571.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> Message-ID: <1146849387.8929.244.camel@haiiro> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 13:19 -0400, Stephen Potter wrote: > > > For what it's worth, I really liked the OpenSolaris spreadshirt t-shirt > > I bought (it was pretty good quality) > > http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?op=article&article_id=1556253#top > > How does it last? The main problem I had with cafepress stuff is that it > seemed to fade a lot on the first couple of washes. I have a pretty much > brand new shirt that looks a couple of years old... Well, so far, it looks alright. Now, it could be because the logo in this case is quite small[1], so there's not much to get weathered, hence it's less of a problem. The t-shirt itself it nice though (not like some of the near-transparent freebies I've seen in the past) Oh, and white shirts don't really have colour to leach either, so I could be completely wrong about their quality ;-) cheers, tim [1] http://flickr.com/photos/55612489 at N00/45270077/ (sorry, I'll put a paper bag over my head whenever I need to demo another shirt) -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From spp at unixsa.net Fri May 5 10:19:31 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Upcoming Anniversary Activities for In-Reply-To: <1146843905.8929.213.camel@haiiro> References: <13930076.1146838035220.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <445B68CD.2040302@sun.com> <1146843905.8929.213.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <22458.159.53.78.144.1146849571.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> > On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 10:01 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> > I'd rather pay a little bit more and get a better item than to >> > go through cafepress. I have not been at all impressed with >> > any of the items I've gotten from them. >> > >> I'll look into options. > > For what it's worth, I really liked the OpenSolaris spreadshirt t-shirt > I bought (it was pretty good quality) > http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?op=article&article_id=1556253#top How does it last? The main problem I had with cafepress stuff is that it seemed to fade a lot on the first couple of washes. I have a pretty much brand new shirt that looks a couple of years old... -spp -- Stephen Potter Director, LOPSA Executive Board "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a disgrace, two useless men are a law firm, and three are a congress." - John Adams From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Fri May 5 12:20:08 2006 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:20:08 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne In-Reply-To: <445B6B01.3030106@sun.com> References: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> <445B6B01.3030106@sun.com> Message-ID: <445BA568.8010806@Sun.COM> I'll add a bit more.... Sara Dornsife wrote On 05/05/06 08:10,: > Hey Ben. Laura is managing this for us and she is out today. I will > cover what I can and she can fill you in on the rest when she returns. > > Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> JavaOne is just around the corner. Time to get planning. >> >> Some questions for those in "the know": >> - Do we have a pod already? > > Yes. OpenSolaris has a pod in Sun's booth. > >> - Do we have anyone staffed yet? > > I think so, this is a Laura question. We do have staffing for the booth. If you are planning to attend JavaOne, we'd love to have you join us! Or come by at the least. >> - Do we have any OpenSolaris events planned/schedualed? > > Again, Laura. I know that Simon is planning a blogger party at the Thirsty Bear one evening...not sure which. There is also the Freedom Toaster event, and we are hoping to have the SVOSUG meeting in SF that week too. >> etc... >> >> >> Alan Duboff has been planning to have an OpenSolaris Users Group >> Meeting during the show, to open up the user groups to a much wider >> audience than usual, but I haven't seen firm details on that yet. >> >> Beyond that, who plans on being there? I've taken a lot of time off >> work lately for MySQL UC and other Sun related events, so I may be >> there one day but no more than that. >> >> benr. >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From webmink at sun.com Fri May 5 13:07:45 2006 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 21:07:45 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne In-Reply-To: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> References: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <372E7D3B-5EB2-44CD-AB5B-517126E0A38B@sun.com> Everyone is welcome to my blogger's event: http://blogs.sun.com/ roller/page/webmink?entry=register_now_for_javaone_blogger S. On May 5, 2006, at 09:56, Ben Rockwood wrote: > JavaOne is just around the corner. Time to get planning. > > Some questions for those in "the know": > - Do we have a pod already? > - Do we have anyone staffed yet? > - Do we have any OpenSolaris events planned/schedualed? > etc... > > > Alan Duboff has been planning to have an OpenSolaris Users Group > Meeting during the show, to open up the user groups to a much wider > audience than usual, but I haven't seen firm details on that yet. > > Beyond that, who plans on being there? I've taken a lot of time > off work lately for MySQL UC and other Sun related events, so I may > be there one day but no more than that. > > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From benr at cuddletech.com Fri May 5 13:48:33 2006 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:48:33 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne In-Reply-To: <445BA568.8010806@Sun.COM> References: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> <445B6B01.3030106@sun.com> <445BA568.8010806@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <445BBA21.20800@cuddletech.com> Teresa Giacomini wrote: > We do have staffing for the booth. If you are planning to > attend JavaOne, we'd love to have you join us! Or come > by at the least. Can we get a list and schedule of who's staffed for the OpenSolaris Pod? benr. From theuser at orbit.in-berlin.de Fri May 5 13:28:33 2006 From: theuser at orbit.in-berlin.de (Tatjana S Heuser) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:28:33 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: Translating the OpenSolaris Book from German into English...? In-Reply-To: <445A7AC7.5060809@sun.com> Message-ID: <12569384.1146861033903.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Hi Sara, i'll gladly take you up on that offer and mail you with the details. For the list, I'll include a brief summary here: We got a mail stating that the title of the book was violating Suns Trademark guidelines as published at http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/ and were asked to change it. Asking for details, we were told that there needed to be (one more?) space after "OpenSolaris", and the name(s?) of the author(s?) should appear more prominent than the Sun Trademark. The issue was settled when we promised to send a pdf of the cover to the person finding offense for prior approval on upcoming reprints. -Tatjana P.S.: The offending title is "OpenSolaris f?r Anwender, Administratoren und Rechenzentren" (OpenSolaris for Users, Administrators and Data Centers). This message posted from opensolaris.org From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Fri May 5 14:52:03 2006 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 14:52:03 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne In-Reply-To: <445BBA21.20800@cuddletech.com> References: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> <445B6B01.3030106@sun.com> <445BA568.8010806@Sun.COM> <445BBA21.20800@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <445BC903.5060707@Sun.COM> Yep. Laura has been working the final version, so you will need to wait until she gets back on Monday. :) Ben Rockwood wrote On 05/05/06 13:48,: > Teresa Giacomini wrote: > >> We do have staffing for the booth. If you are planning to >> attend JavaOne, we'd love to have you join us! Or come >> by at the least. > > Can we get a list and schedule of who's staffed for the OpenSolaris Pod? > > benr. > From jim.grisanzio at sun.com Fri May 5 17:01:09 2006 From: jim.grisanzio at sun.com (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 17:01:09 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: JavaOne In-Reply-To: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <3841126.1146873699449.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> I'll be there Tues 3:00 pm in the booth and I'll be at Simon's blogger event Tues nite. Jim This message posted from opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Fri May 5 23:46:36 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 23:46:36 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4459D54D.3080602@holland.sun.com> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> <4459D54D.3080602@holland.sun.com> Message-ID: <445C464C.5050800@sun.com> patrick finch wrote: > A year ago we highlighted community. It was about the community, the > launch was entirely community-centric, and one of the great successes of > the past year has been the relentless growth of a highly constructive > community. Correct. And let's never underestimate the power of that launch last year. The community-led opening of this project helped establish the notion that when we have stuff ready, it goes on OpenSolaris. No hype. It just goes. Since we "opened" on June 14, 05 (which followed the first launch, which was DTrace, on Jan 25, 05), we've been opening stuff pretty regularly all along: ZFS, Storage, JDS, SFW, X11, Docs, OpenGrok, etc. In all these instances, what have we delivered? Code. To me, our credibility as a community in this early stage stems directly from four closely related elements: (1) the quality of our code, (2) the openness of the people who wrote the code and who are now engaging new developers about the code, (3) the inventiveness of all the new community members building new things with the code, and (4) the palpable lack of spinning of all that code and all those people. The stuff speaks for itself. > Now, highlighting C-O-D-E has the advantage of taking some of the > religious sting out "which OS" debates and highlighting the strength of > OpenSolaris (its leadership in innovative concepts) and the code theme > to the fan buttons and tshirts has been universally appreciated. Yep. I think it goes beyond the religious debates and cuts right to the core. It transcends religion, it transcends marketing, it transcends anything competitive or corporate. > Against that, I don't think the message that OpenSolaris is exclusively > about code is what we want to say. I agree. But it doesn't have to be an *exclusive* message, does it? There were a half dozen or more suggestions made for this banner ad, many of which would also be supportive and valid. Why can't we have two or three of these things that rotate or something? (Maybe that's a Sara question) > Litterally, if someone asked me what > OpenSolaris is all about, my answer would not be "code". Fundamentally, > it's about community, a community built around a base of particularly > special code. There you go again, back to the damn code. :) You see? You can't separate the two: community and code go together -- we are a source community at this stage in our life. Sometimes I feel that the code comes first, but then I remember that a person had to write that code, and around I go. Perhaps ... "OpenSolaris is all about the code and the community of people around that code." > Fedora and Ubuntu, to name two Linux communities, understand this very > well. I'm not familiar with the details of these communities, but I think I know what you are getting at and I generally agree: we do have a ways to go to build out multiple levels of our community. I think this will just take some time, that's all. It's a nice opportunity to engage people out there and to learn from those who have gone before. > And honestly, I'd say that OpenSolaris has walked this talk all > year long too, so why back away from it now? > > Graphically, I think the code looks cool. In terms of a message, I > think we should emphasise the growth, good governance and quality of the > community. All perfectly fine messages but the trouble is that they are a bit fuzzy -- which is a characteristic of a message, in my opinion. :) On the other hand, Sara's suggestion pops you right in the head. It's really rather direct, don't you think? In fact, I think the reason it works for me, anyway) is that it's not a message at all. The message is delivered as subtext -- which is the only way a message really resonates. So, I agree with you that we ought to focus on community more, but that doesn't necessarily mean a good code jab shouldn't be used as well. I think we need both and I think we need to mix them up quite freely since they are so closely tied together. Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Fri May 5 23:57:29 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 23:57:29 -0700 Subject: [cab-discuss] Re: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <445A8E8C.5010603@sun.com> References: <4457DD37.9030406@sun.com> <20060502224033.GD16759@eng.sun.com> <4457E0E5.3060205@sun.com> <20060502225304.GF16759@eng.sun.com> <4457EC97.8040004@sun.com> <4457F42F.70800@sun.com> <4457FF9F.70100@sun.com> <4458060D.8040403@sun.com> <20060503012530.GP16759@eng.sun.com> <445827C6.4040809@sun.com> <20060503050323.GB144173@eng.sun.com> <4458C383.9020902@sun.com> <4458C560.3070008@Sun.COM> <4459D54D.3080602@holland.sun.com> <445A8E8C.5010603@sun.com> Message-ID: <445C48D9.8090205@sun.com> Glynn Foster wrote: > I absolutely agree with Patrick on this one. We know we have the code - > I'd like to see some more focus around the community. I'm personally a > bit tired of the current code background, regardless of whatever code is > chosen [1]. > > > Glynn > > [1] Perhaps it's because I'm a user-space weener :) Personally, my fav shirt is still this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/100347286/in/pool-opensolarisenthusiast/ They have some 1s and 0s stuffed in there but no source code -- just screened logos. Maybe we could try this with the names of our projects and communities? Jim From jim.grisanzio at sun.com Sat May 6 00:31:55 2006 From: jim.grisanzio at sun.com (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 00:31:55 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) In-Reply-To: <2536.209.226.147.63.1146767665.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <17210819.1146900745467.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > > > In the spirit of Laura's suggestion to include the > user IDs on the > > anniversary tshirt, I got to thinking of ways of > showing recognition for > > community members. I've included website-discuss > since this would > > involve site changes. > > > > Visualize a tag cloud. The cloud includes user IDs > instead of tags and > > shows visually who is the most active (by that ID > being the largest) on > > certain projects or within certain communities. > There can be different > > "clouds" for each. These "clouds" could be page > headers or sidebars. > > Sara > > > > Something about this idea .. feels wrong. > Guys like Ben Rockwood don't make a lot of noise on > the OpenSolaris site > ut he is clearly a huge voice to be heard. I make a > lot of noise but am > not necessarily a great contributor. Guys like Rich > Teer are rarely heard > from but he is a real leader and has been for many > years. > > For whom do we speak ? OKay .. I am not a pinko > socialist type yet I think > hat putting up particular individuals names on the > website or a T-shirt > is not hitting the right audience? Isn't that like > "preaching to the > choir" while people wander lost and unsaved out there > in the streets ? I actually like the tag cloud idea. We'd have to be careful how it would be designed since tag clouds are sometimes pretty ugly. But it's all very Web 2.0 and all. :) I think a lot of people would get a kick out of it, though. However, Dennis brings up a really good point -- many people who have massive credibility will not necessarily show up on this system. Personally, I'm ok with that. No one tool solves all problems in all situations. We'd probably need several different ways to measure and recognize people for their good work. The larger issue for me, though, is this: just how do you visibly measure reputation/credibility when many times it's the most credible ones who don't care about the attention, and everyone else already knows who is credible in the first place? I was asking this question a while back: http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris?entry=everyone_knows I still don't have a a good answer, and this dynamic still fascinates me. Jim This message posted from opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon May 8 04:41:29 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 07:41:29 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne In-Reply-To: <445B6B01.3030106@sun.com> References: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> <445B6B01.3030106@sun.com> Message-ID: <445F2E69.2040907@sun.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Hey Ben. Laura is managing this for us and she is out today. I will > cover what I can and she can fill you in on the rest when she returns. > > Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> JavaOne is just around the corner. Time to get planning. >> >> Some questions for those in "the know": >> - Do we have a pod already? > >> > Yes. OpenSolaris has a pod in Sun's booth. And we have a few open slots if you'd like to join in and demonstrate. I took the liberty of "reserving" a badge for you, Knowing you'd want to drop by for a day. > >> - Do we have anyone staffed yet? > > I think so, this is a Laura question. Yes, solid schedule of coverage. will publish with an overview of the event today! > >> - Do we have any OpenSolaris events planned/schedualed? > > Again, Laura. We're hosting a Freedom Toaster "build" on Wednesday evening. Sun is donating 3 ultra 20's to the Shuttleworth foundation, and on Wednesday evening we're doing a "ceremonial build" where we load free and open source software onto the sytem to be shipped. Then we're wandering over to the SDN party for some beer. I'll have both of those covered in the summary email coming out today too! ;) > >> etc... >> >> >> Alan Duboff has been planning to have an OpenSolaris Users Group >> Meeting during the show, to open up the user groups to a much wider >> audience than usual, but I haven't seen firm details on that yet. > We're having a HECK of a time getting a room for Alan's meeting to be held. I thought I had a line on a room on last Thursday. Looks like we're back to square One, but not giving up yet! >> >> >> Beyond that, who plans on being there? I've taken a lot of time off >> work lately for MySQL UC and other Sun related events, so I may be >> there one day but no more than that. >> >> benr. >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon May 8 05:51:17 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:51:17 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne In-Reply-To: <445BC903.5060707@Sun.COM> References: <445B133E.6050806@cuddletech.com> <445B6B01.3030106@sun.com> <445BA568.8010806@Sun.COM> <445BBA21.20800@cuddletech.com> <445BC903.5060707@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <445F3EC5.1080104@sun.com> Thanks! You guys are the best! I'll have an update email out this afternoon. Ben, you have a staffing badge...I took the chance you'd want to drop by! LKR Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Yep. Laura has been working the final version, so you will need to > wait until she gets back on Monday. :) > > Ben Rockwood wrote On 05/05/06 13:48,: > >> Teresa Giacomini wrote: >> >>> We do have staffing for the booth. If you are planning to >>> attend JavaOne, we'd love to have you join us! Or come >>> by at the least. >> >> >> Can we get a list and schedule of who's staffed for the OpenSolaris Pod? >> >> benr. >> > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon May 8 09:10:20 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:10:20 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) In-Reply-To: <2536.209.226.147.63.1146767665.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <445A45EF.4000701@sun.com> <2536.209.226.147.63.1146767665.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <445F6D6C.2080705@sun.com> Dennis Clarke wrote: >>In the spirit of Laura's suggestion to include the user IDs on the >>anniversary tshirt, I got to thinking of ways of showing recognition for >>community members. I've included website-discuss since this would >>involve site changes. >> >>Visualize a tag cloud. The cloud includes user IDs instead of tags and >>shows visually who is the most active (by that ID being the largest) on >>certain projects or within certain communities. There can be different >>"clouds" for each. These "clouds" could be page headers or sidebars. >>Sara >> >> >> > > Something about this idea .. feels wrong. > > Guys like Ben Rockwood don't make a lot of noise on the OpenSolaris site >but he is clearly a huge voice to be heard. I make a lot of noise but am >not necessarily a great contributor. Guys like Rich Teer are rarely heard >from but he is a real leader and has been for many years. > > For whom do we speak ? OKay .. I am not a pinko socialist type yet I think >that putting up particular individuals names on the website or a T-shirt >is not hitting the right audience? Isn't that like "preaching to the >choir" while people wander lost and unsaved out there in the streets ? > > > > Good point...there's a school of thought that says that recognition is what keeps a community happy and engaged. There are neat ways to motivate community members and to keep it friendly. I don't think anyone would overlook Ben, Rich, You or folks like Moinak, Alex, StephenL, or Joerg just because they don't blog every day or have huge putbacks racked up. Eric B, Tim and Glynn are Tremendous teachers and contributors as well! Michelle Olsen--doing double duty to help us get stuff together...David Dellabasse, being so persistent and supportive about getting OpenSolaris into places we otherwise wouldn't reach. It's not always about putting back code. The community has so many more facets than that! It's like a major production... Have you ever seen cirque du soleil? (sorry for the horrid spelling) Is that Show all about the acrobats? or is it about the costumers, or the guys who light them, or the others who hang the bungee cords...the others who set the tents, and sell the white wine...it's an ensemble cast. LIKEWISE, OpenSolaris is an ensemble cast. Not everyone is on the stage at once...and so not everyone has recognition at once. But everyone DOES get their chance at recognition. That's the important part. Keeping the motivation high so that we all are confident that someday, we'll be recognized. LKR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dclarke at blastwave.org Mon May 8 09:59:40 2006 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) In-Reply-To: <445F6D6C.2080705@sun.com> References: <445A45EF.4000701@sun.com> <2536.209.226.147.63.1146767665.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <445F6D6C.2080705@sun.com> Message-ID: <2175.206.172.225.127.1147107580.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > Dennis Clarke wrote: > > Good point...there's a school of thought that says that recognition is > what keeps a community happy and engaged. There are neat ways to > motivate community members and to keep it friendly. I don't think anyone > would overlook Ben, Rich, You or folks like Moinak, Alex, StephenL, or > Joerg just because they don't blog every day or have huge putbacks > racked up. Eric B, Tim and Glynn are Tremendous teachers and > contributors as well! Michelle Olsen--doing double duty to help us get > stuff together...David Dellabasse, being so persistent and supportive > about getting OpenSolaris into places we otherwise wouldn't reach. It's > not always about putting back code. The community has so many more > facets than that! It's like a major production... > > Have you ever seen cirque du soleil? (sorry for the horrid spelling) > > Is that Show all about the acrobats? or is it about the costumers, or > the guys who light them, or the others who hang the bungee cords...the > others who set the tents, and sell the white wine...it's an ensemble > cast. LIKEWISE, OpenSolaris is an ensemble cast. Not everyone is on the > stage at once...and so not everyone has recognition at once. But > everyone DOES get their chance at recognition. That's the important > part. Keeping the motivation high so that we all are confident that > someday, we'll be recognized. > That is a wonderfully written analogy. We are an orchestra. We are Mozart and Beethoven and while there are gifted players like Joshua Bell we must not lose focus on the string section or Yo-Yo Ma or the percussion man waiting for his cue. Thank you Laura -- Dennis Clarke From stevel at sun.com Mon May 8 10:15:55 2006 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:15:55 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) In-Reply-To: <2175.206.172.225.127.1147107580.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <445A45EF.4000701@sun.com> <2536.209.226.147.63.1146767665.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <445F6D6C.2080705@sun.com> <2175.206.172.225.127.1147107580.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <445F7CCB.4010405@sun.com> Dennis Clarke wrote: >>Dennis Clarke wrote: >> >>Good point...there's a school of thought that says that recognition is >>what keeps a community happy and engaged. There are neat ways to >>motivate community members and to keep it friendly. I don't think anyone >>would overlook Ben, Rich, You or folks like Moinak, Alex, StephenL, or >>Joerg just because they don't blog every day or have huge putbacks >>racked up. Eric B, Tim and Glynn are Tremendous teachers and >>contributors as well! Michelle Olsen--doing double duty to help us get >>stuff together...David Dellabasse, being so persistent and supportive >>about getting OpenSolaris into places we otherwise wouldn't reach. It's >>not always about putting back code. The community has so many more >>facets than that! It's like a major production... >> >>Have you ever seen cirque du soleil? (sorry for the horrid spelling) >> >>Is that Show all about the acrobats? or is it about the costumers, or >>the guys who light them, or the others who hang the bungee cords...the >>others who set the tents, and sell the white wine...it's an ensemble >>cast. LIKEWISE, OpenSolaris is an ensemble cast. Not everyone is on the >>stage at once...and so not everyone has recognition at once. But >>everyone DOES get their chance at recognition. That's the important >>part. Keeping the motivation high so that we all are confident that >>someday, we'll be recognized. >> > > > That is a wonderfully written analogy. We are an orchestra. We are Mozart > and Beethoven and while there are gifted players like Joshua Bell we must > not lose focus on the string section or Yo-Yo Ma or the percussion man > waiting for his cue. > > Thank you Laura > and then there are people like me hiding in the back squawking periodically on my kazoo ;-) -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon May 8 10:39:29 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:39:29 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) In-Reply-To: <445F7CCB.4010405@sun.com> References: <445A45EF.4000701@sun.com> <2536.209.226.147.63.1146767665.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <445F6D6C.2080705@sun.com> <2175.206.172.225.127.1147107580.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <445F7CCB.4010405@sun.com> Message-ID: <445F8251.1080406@sun.com> Stephen Lau wrote: > and then there are people like me hiding in the back squawking > periodically on my kazoo ;-) > Did you know that Keith Lockhart, conductor of the Boston Pops, has occasionally included kazoos in pop orchestrations? He also allows "guests" to come and play the triangle. Something for all of us to aspire to! LKR From spp at unixsa.net Tue May 9 13:20:12 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:20:12 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) In-Reply-To: <445F8251.1080406@sun.com> Message-ID: <11971545.1147206042865.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > Did you know that Keith Lockhart, conductor of the > Boston Pops, has occasionally included kazoos in > pop orchestrations? He also allows "guests" to come > and play the triangle. Something for all of us to aspire to! That's me! Or I'm the guy playing air guitar during the symphony. ;-) -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From Terri.Molini at Sun.COM Wed May 10 00:04:14 2006 From: Terri.Molini at Sun.COM (Terri Molini) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:04:14 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> Message-ID: <4461906E.1010807@sun.com> Proposed days and times: 9am PT Tuesdays 7am PT Thursdays 9am PT Fridays any of these work but 7:00am PT is REALLY early. -terri Sara Dornsife wrote: > I'd like to start weekly meetings for those interested in working on > the one year anniversary celebration team for OpenSolaris. We've had > some emails going around and some things have been proposed. It's time > to prioritize those ideas and start working on them. There is a lot on > this list and we may not be able to do all of it, but with volunteers, > we can do more. > > I've included the lists and people who shown an interest in these > activities. > > I've listed out what has been proposed so far. If you can't > participate in the meetings, but would like to participate in email, > you can do that. We'll keep this conversation going on the marketing > alias. If you haven't subscribed, you should. > > Below is the initial list of things to be discussed. These are in no > particular order. > > Proposed ideas: > - banner ads on sun.com > We've got these, so let's use them. Idea that has gotten the most > traction so far is: > > C-O-D-E > OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word > > We have the ability to do another one as well. These need to be > prioritized and someone needs to drive the activity. > > - Worldwide user group meeting > Have all of the existing (and any new ones that want to start up to > participate) hold a meeting on June 14th. All attendees will receive a > gift (t-shirt, stickers, laptop stickers, car electrostatic clings) > and a webcast with "celebrity" will be created to be seen at those > meetings. > > - DVDs vs CDs Create DVDs (or should it be CDs need to decide) of one > or all of the distributions to send out to anyone who requests one for > a period of time around the anniversary. Also make them available for > shows, events, meetings, user groups, etc. > > - Pre-printed DVD/CDs > We can make blank DVD/CDs that are pre-printed that can be sent out > for anyone who wants them to distribute. Need to decide what these say > on them (if we want to do them)? > > NOTE: Solaris Express is not redistributable, so can only be available > through Sun. Need to know of any restrictions on the other distros. > > - T-shirts > First anniversary t-shirts. Proposed design attached. We can send > these to the user groups. Sending them out individually is cost > prohibitive, but maybe we can figure out a way to make them available > - our yahoo store or cafepress? How long are they relevant? Would we > want to give them out at OSCon in August for example? > > - laptop stickers > These have been requested in the past and I know that there are plenty > of people who would like to stick an OpenSolaris sticker on their > laptop. We could send these to the user groups as part of the gift > pack and we can make them available on the store. I would recommend > that these be more generic and not specifically one year. > > - Electostatic clings > In case you are unfamiliar, these are non-stickers that cling to the > inside of your car window and peal off easily. You can show your > enthusiasm while you drive around in traffic. > > - Install guides > We've talked about creating easy to use install guides for newbies and > getting them out on the site and linked to from blogs. Maybe the > install guides could include a screencast to help people get there > more quickly. > > - Blogs > So many people blogged on Opening Day. If people would also blog on > the anniversary and talk about their experiences this first year, it > would be great for the project. > > - Web site update > The tshirt art is available and could be used on the web site if > people like it (that goes for the shirt too). We've also been working > on updating content like the FAQs. I'm sure there are other things as > well. We'd need a rep from the web team to join us in our calls. > > Other activities: > - Update of our field communications (explain) > This is a very Sun focused activity aimed at our sales force, but you > can have input on the content if you want. > > - Single slide showing one year snapshot (available on site) > We have some pretty impressive stats about this community as you know. > Well we need to provide people at Sun with a slide that they can > insert into a deck that shows that. That slide can be made available > on the site for anyone who wants to add that data to their deck. > > - PR outreach > Possible stories include "switch stories" from those that have > switched to Solaris because of OpenSolaris and reinforcement of open > source messages - we are open source you morons. > > Meeting times: > To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. > I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll > start meeting next week. > > Proposed days and times: > 9am PT Tuesdays > 7am PT Thursdays > 9am PT Fridays > -- Happiness has a bearing; it is not just something. Mexican proverb Terri Molini Sun Microsystems, Inc. Global Communications 408/404-4976 office; x6-9968 408/404-4976 fax 408/406-9021 mobile IM: tmolini NetBeans Software Day The third annual NetBeans Software Day is a free event taking place on Monday 15 May 2006 at the Argent Hotel in San Francisco. James Gosling, the father of Java technology, and other Java technology luminaries will be present to discuss the NetBeans software and the future of Java developer tools. There is no charge to attend this event and attendees do not need to be registered for the JavaOne conference. Space is limited. http://java.sun.com/javaone/sf/netbeansday.jsp. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 10 15:59:32 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:59:32 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT Message-ID: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> Thursdays 7am PT Dial-in 866-545-5198 865 521-8904 (int'l) 558-7579 (participant code) I've included everyone on this list that responded in any way to any of the anniversary emails that went around. I hope people will be able to attend and participate in the planning and activities. Agenda: - Introductions (quickly) - Review and discussion of list of activities (attached in StarOffice - let me know if that doesn't work for you, it's also below but may look awful) in order to fill out tables. - Prioritize and other ideas - Next steps The Community For the one year anniversary we would like a celebration for those that have participated and collaborated with each other to build a successful open source community. As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the OpenSolaris user groups a package. The package will consist of a specially designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and window clings. In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up to update and add content to the site. As a group we are working on banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning publicly for the anniversary. Activity Description StartDate Status Owner(s) CD/DVD Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary June 14^th - screen printed CDs Awards * code contributions * documentation contributions * most innovative work with OpenSolaris source * something with the distributions * mail list activity -- most posts * best ideas * best flames (ok, probably not) * most fixes proposed * most bugs found * most blogs * Other ideas? Up for discussion - Needs a name Jim Wall Paper #1 wall paper for community members to download Blogs Anniversary blogs from community members T-shirts Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site Sara User Group webcast Laura User Group gifts t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user group Laura Install Guides Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers get a quicker start Website updates - New graphic on home page - Recognition Clouds? - Awards - Updates to mktg materials - Evangelist card and CD art posted Sun Field We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open source focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some questions/docs that we could create for the field and some sample answers that I made up. Activity Description StartDate Status Owner(s) Knowledge survey Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open source, relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will get something (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris embassador? Win a tshirt? 07/01/06 New idea New materials? Listed below New Idea * Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open source mean to our customers? o The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our customers can gain the benefits of source and engineering access, lower cost of entry, customization, and community. * How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and differences? o Source code versus binaries. o Tested vs untested. o Sun supported vs community supported. o Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is more "advanced" than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. * Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? Why is it good for our customers? o Brief description of benefits of CDDL. * What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about when it comes to OpenSolaris? o Community size and successes o distributions o license o opensolaris.org is where it's all at o CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) o how to contribute/participate and why * Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial stuff and vice versa? * Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? o Free and full access to the code o Access to the community o Access to more Sun engineers through the community o Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ were all released through OpenSolaris first and communities exist around these right now on opensolaris.org o That we are not expecting them to certify their applications to OpenSolaris (there is no "product" associated, just code and community), they should maintain compatibility with the shipping version of Solaris o The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over 4.5 million based on our download numbers * Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales person's perspective. o Strict ROI chart. * Highlight the things coming out of the community that are helping our "commercial" customers? o Bug fixes o Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) o community members * Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling the community -- the reverse. o Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. ZFS, BrandZ. Media Outreach There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the distributions. Activity Description StartDate Status Owner(s) Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris because it is now open sourced Wk 4/24 Laura Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to press, analysts, and Sun execs A snapshot of community statistics 06/01/06 Patrick Contributed Articles Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their behalf? Other promotional opportunities Activity Description StartDate Status Owner(s) Sun.com banner ads Proposed to mixed reviews C-O-D-E OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word Could go with: Innovation Happens Everywhere OpenSolaris Need ideas -- has gone out to community for comment. Sara BigAdmin newsletter Publication data 6/21/06 Content deadline 6/6 Solaris Developer Newsletter Community contributed article? Publication date 6/14/06 Content deadline 6/6 Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column for June -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1yrAnnPlanv4.sxw Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.writer Size: 11314 bytes Desc: not available URL: From moazam at unixville.com Thu May 11 08:12:56 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:12:56 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? Message-ID: Hi all, I've noticed that there are some pretty decent OpenSolaris related photos of 'the community' over at Flickr. Would anyone be interested in creating a 20"x30" poster image which combines roughly 100 OpenSolaris photos? If so, there is a an 'automator' script which will create a 20"x30" poster (vertical or horizontal) by using a stack of images given to it. I tried it yesterday and it seems pretty nice but some photos need a tiny bit of tweaking (rotation issues, nothing major). The cool thing about this type of poster is that you folks can actually re-upload the resulting PNG back to Flickr and let people download and print it on their own if they want to. This makes it practically free for Sun. The automator script: http://www.automator.us/downloads.html#1004 -Moazam From Martin.Man at Sun.COM Thu May 11 08:41:29 2006 From: Martin.Man at Sun.COM (Martin Man) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:41:29 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Branding Message-ID: <44635B29.9070400@sun.com> Hi All, [ not directly related to anniversary activities ] as a followup to our first anniversary meeting I'm bringing some more things to the table. Some people here were complaining that they don't like the desing of anniversary t-shirt and that they would try to produce their own design, but are not sure where to go for branding info, like fonts used, colors used, etc. I know some of the font related questions were raised previously, but I'd like to have at least some basic branding info available at the marketing website, so that people can start producing their own marketing material if they feel the skills to do it... thanx, Martin From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu May 11 09:37:50 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:37:50 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4463685E.30102@sun.com> Awesome idea for anniversary! LKR Moazam Raja wrote: > Hi all, I've noticed that there are some pretty decent OpenSolaris > related photos of 'the community' over at Flickr. Would anyone be > interested in creating a 20"x30" poster image which combines roughly > 100 OpenSolaris photos? > > If so, there is a an 'automator' script which will create a 20"x30" > poster (vertical or horizontal) by using a stack of images given to > it. I tried it yesterday and it seems pretty nice but some photos > need a tiny bit of tweaking (rotation issues, nothing major). > > The cool thing about this type of poster is that you folks can > actually re-upload the resulting PNG back to Flickr and let people > download and print it on their own if they want to. This makes it > practically free for Sun. > > The automator script: > http://www.automator.us/downloads.html#1004 > > -Moazam > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 09:48:16 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:48:16 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Branding In-Reply-To: <44635B29.9070400@sun.com> References: <44635B29.9070400@sun.com> Message-ID: <44636AD0.4030205@sun.com> Martin Man wrote: > Hi All, > > [ not directly related to anniversary activities ] > > as a followup to our first anniversary meeting I'm bringing some more > things to the table. > > Some people here were complaining that they don't like the desing of > anniversary t-shirt and that they would try to produce their own > design, but are not sure where to go for branding info, like fonts > used, colors used, etc. This list is where to go. The colors and font are free to use. The only restrictions we have are on trademark and wordmark. There are "fair use" guidelines that *could* make the use of the trademark OK in certain cases and I'd be happy to review if that is the case, just to make sure no one is putting themselves in a bad position. > > I know some of the font related questions were raised previously, but > I'd like to have at least some basic branding info available at the > marketing website, so that people can start producing their own > marketing material if they feel the skills to do it... Good idea. I will put something up on the marketing site. > > > thanx, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu May 11 10:15:28 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:15:28 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! Message-ID: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> There have been so many cool suggestions for Banner ads--and some are saying we're going with "Code is a 4-letter word". Let's confirm that. Here's a list of nominated banner slogans that came from community members--some on list and some off list. PLEASE VOTE ON LIST! By hitting REPLY, and putting your name by the one you like so we get a final tally. LKR Headline: OpenSolaris: All That and More... Blurb: x people, y downloads, z discussions - (dynamically update...) Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Headline: It's about the code, stupid Blurb: Building a real operating system that's real open Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Headline: DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... Blurb: How many one-year-olds can do that? Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Headline: 10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year Blurb: So many ways to participate Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Headline: OpenSolaris Blurb: All the stability of BSD, all the features of Linux, more innovation than anything else Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Headline: C_O_D_E is a 4-letter word Blurb: Join OpenSolaris Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Headline: Innovation Happens Everywhere Blurb: Especially Here Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Headline: Join up, Write Code, Put Back Blurb: Let's Make a great OS Better call: http://www.opensolaris.org Headline: Celebrate! Blurb: Making a Great OS Better Call: http://www.opensolaris.org From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Thu May 11 10:21:53 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:21:53 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> Message-ID: <1147368113.13168.77.camel@haiiro> On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 13:15 -0400, Laura Ramsey wrote: timf: Headline: C_O_D_E is a 4-letter word > Blurb: Join OpenSolaris > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Bonus points for an animated banner that shows the top 5 banners that we're voting for.. If we have to choose just one though, I still like the c-o-d-e banner. cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu May 11 10:24:12 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:24:12 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote!] Message-ID: <4463733C.4080209@sun.com> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Kuldip Oberoi Subject: Re: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:22:14 -0700 Size: 1929 URL: From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu May 11 10:32:43 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:32:43 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <1147368113.13168.77.camel@haiiro> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <1147368113.13168.77.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <4463753B.2060609@sun.com> Tim Foster wrote: > On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 13:15 -0400, Laura Ramsey wrote: > timf: > Headline: C_O_D_E is a 4-letter word > >>Blurb: Join OpenSolaris >>Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > > > Bonus points for an animated banner that shows the top 5 banners that > we're voting for.. If we have to choose just one though, I still like > the c-o-d-e banner. I like the CODE bit, too, but not this one above. I like the original: OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word C-O-D-E But ... I like Patrick's point of a community-specific ad as well. Simon suggested a great one on the call today, but I can't remember it. Jim From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 10:37:18 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:37:18 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <4463753B.2060609@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <1147368113.13168.77.camel@haiiro> <4463753B.2060609@sun.com> Message-ID: <4463764E.90409@sun.com> Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Tim Foster wrote: >> On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 13:15 -0400, Laura Ramsey wrote: >> timf: Headline: C_O_D_E is a 4-letter word >> >>> Blurb: Join OpenSolaris >>> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org >> >> >> >> Bonus points for an animated banner that shows the top 5 banners that >> we're voting for.. If we have to choose just one though, I still like >> the c-o-d-e banner. > > > I like the CODE bit, too, but not this one above. I like the original: > > OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word > C-O-D-E > > But ... I like Patrick's point of a community-specific ad as well. > Simon suggested a great one on the call today, but I can't remember it. Simon's was (correct me if I got it wrong Simon): We the people Over 13,000 people making OpenSolaris great > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 10:38:30 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:38:30 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote!] In-Reply-To: <4463733C.4080209@sun.com> References: <4463733C.4080209@sun.com> Message-ID: <44637696.9050201@sun.com> Laura Ramsey wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! > From: > Kuldip Oberoi > Date: > Thu, 11 May 2006 10:22:14 -0700 > To: > Laura Ramsey > > To: > Laura Ramsey > > > Hi Laura, > > I like this one! > > /kso > > PS. I'd like it even better if the Blurb was, "Innovation Happens Here" How about something like Innovation Happens.... Here www.opensolaris.org > > Laura Ramsey wrote: > >> Headline: 10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year >> Blurb: So many ways to participate >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu May 11 10:57:46 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:57:46 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> Message-ID: <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> > Headline: OpenSolaris: All That and More... > Blurb: x people, y downloads, z discussions - (dynamically update...) > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Doesn't move me either way. I like listing the stuff in the blurb but the headline is a bit weak. > Headline: It's about the code, stupid > Blurb: Building a real operating system that's real open Call: > http://www.opensolaris.org I don't like the "stupid" part. Also, what does "real" operating system mean? I think we rejected this one in an earlier thread. > Headline: DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... > Blurb: How many one-year-olds can do that? > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org I like this one a lot. Very clean and simple. > Headline: 10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year > Blurb: So many ways to participate > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org This one is ok. It's a bit soft but ok. I could grow to like it, I suppose. > Headline: OpenSolaris > Blurb: All the stability of BSD, all the features of Linux, more > innovation than anything else > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Don't like it. It's too competitive. I believe all of our ads should be 100 percent positive on OpenSolaris with no competitive connotations. They should be all focused on code, community, technology features, etc. > Headline: C_O_D_E is a 4-letter word > Blurb: Join OpenSolaris > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org I like the original much better: OpenSolaris is a 4 letter word C-O-D-E > Headline: Innovation Happens Everywhere > Blurb: Especially Here > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org I don't like this one because "here" may imply Sun to some. But I love Innovation Happens Everywhere. Perhaps this: OpenSolaris Innovation Happens Everywhere It's simple and may be a bit boring, but I think that has value as branding. Perhaps we can have three ads: one focused on code, one focused on community, one focused on the project. This would be the project one. > Headline: Join up, Write Code, Put Back > Blurb: Let's Make a great OS Better > call: http://www.opensolaris.org This idea has potential, but I don't like the blurb. How about: OpenSolaris Write Code, Put Back Not very good, I know. I like the writing part, though. :) > Headline: Celebrate! > Blurb: Making a Great OS Better > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Naa. Here are some more (from me and bonnie) OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration Discover /your/ opportunity OpenSolaris Code, Community, Collaboration OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration It's /your/ choice OpenSolaris It's all about the code OpenSolaris It's all about the community OpenSolaris It's all about the code and the community OpenSolaris It's all about code and community OpenSolaris Code. Community OpenSolaris: You decide. Code, Community, Collaboration OpenSolaris: You decide. Code, Community, Conversation Ok, I'm out of ideas. :) Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu May 11 11:12:15 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:12:15 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44637E7F.3050302@sun.com> Moazam Raja wrote: > Hi all, I've noticed that there are some pretty decent OpenSolaris > related photos of 'the community' over at Flickr. Would anyone be > interested in creating a 20"x30" poster image which combines roughly > 100 OpenSolaris photos? > > If so, there is a an 'automator' script which will create a 20"x30" > poster (vertical or horizontal) by using a stack of images given to it. > I tried it yesterday and it seems pretty nice but some photos need a > tiny bit of tweaking (rotation issues, nothing major). > > The cool thing about this type of poster is that you folks can actually > re-upload the resulting PNG back to Flickr and let people download and > print it on their own if they want to. This makes it practically free > for Sun. > > The automator script: > http://www.automator.us/downloads.html#1004 I love the idea. I use about 20 OpenSolaris pics from flickr in my OpenSolaris slides, and I spend time talking about what individual people have done to contribute to the community. A poster (that actually looks nice as compared to my attempt :)) would be really nice to have. Jim From dclarke at blastwave.org Thu May 11 11:24:17 2006 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> Message-ID: <1187.209.226.147.127.1147371857.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> >> Headline: DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... >> Blurb: How many one-year-olds can do that? >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > > I like this one a lot. Very clean and simple. I like it. >> Headline: 10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year >> Blurb: So many ways to participate >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > > This one is ok. It's a bit soft but ok. I could grow to like it, I suppose. its weak. > OpenSolaris > Innovation Happens Everywhere > > It's simple and may be a bit boring, but I think that has value as > branding. Perhaps we can have three ads: one focused on code, one > focused on community, one focused on the project. This would be the > project one. > This is tired. New thinking required. Should be retired. >> Headline: Join up, Write Code, Put Back >> Blurb: Let's Make a great OS Better >> call: http://www.opensolaris.org > This is "okay". But only "okay". Now here is a rhyme from me. Headline: OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free ! Blurb: An OS for business, an OS for me. Call: http://www.opensolaris.org yes ... I am feeling poetic today. -- Dennis Clarke From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu May 11 11:30:13 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote!] In-Reply-To: <44637696.9050201@sun.com> References: <4463733C.4080209@sun.com> <44637696.9050201@sun.com> Message-ID: <446382B5.8090103@sun.com> Is that your vote? It's alot like the banner ad the we already use. ;) LKR Sara Dornsife wrote: > Laura Ramsey wrote: > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> Re: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! >> From: >> Kuldip Oberoi >> Date: >> Thu, 11 May 2006 10:22:14 -0700 >> To: >> Laura Ramsey >> >> To: >> Laura Ramsey >> >> >> Hi Laura, >> >> I like this one! >> >> /kso >> >> PS. I'd like it even better if the Blurb was, "Innovation Happens Here" > > How about something like > > Innovation Happens.... > Here > www.opensolaris.org > >> >> Laura Ramsey wrote: >> >>> Headline: 10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year >>> Blurb: So many ways to participate >>> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu May 11 11:40:58 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:40:58 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <1187.209.226.147.127.1147371857.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <1187.209.226.147.127.1147371857.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <4463853A.1060202@sun.com> Dennis Clarke wrote: > Now here is a rhyme from me. > > Headline: OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free ! > Blurb: An OS for business, an OS for me. > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > > yes ... I am feeling poetic today. Indeed. I like it. :) And I like the concept of engaging business *and* individual. Jim From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 11:41:40 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:41:40 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <1187.209.226.147.127.1147371857.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <1187.209.226.147.127.1147371857.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <44638564.9080602@sun.com> > Now here is a rhyme from me. > > Headline: OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free ! > Blurb: An OS for business, an OS for me. > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > > yes ... I am feeling poetic today. > Yeah you are. I would recommend one change though, since OpenSolaris isn't technically an OS.... Headline: OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free ! Blurb: open source for business, open source for me. Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Very clever Dennis. +1 > > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 11:43:40 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:43:40 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote!] In-Reply-To: <446382B5.8090103@sun.com> References: <4463733C.4080209@sun.com> <44637696.9050201@sun.com> <446382B5.8090103@sun.com> Message-ID: <446385DC.2020206@sun.com> Not my favorite, no, I was trying to reword the suggestion made by Kuldip. Sara Laura Ramsey wrote: > > Is that your vote? > It's alot like the banner ad the we already use. > ;) > LKR > > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Laura Ramsey wrote: >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! >>> From: >>> Kuldip Oberoi >>> Date: >>> Thu, 11 May 2006 10:22:14 -0700 >>> To: >>> Laura Ramsey >>> >>> To: >>> Laura Ramsey >>> >>> >>> Hi Laura, >>> >>> I like this one! >>> >>> /kso >>> >>> PS. I'd like it even better if the Blurb was, "Innovation Happens Here" >> How about something like >> >> Innovation Happens.... >> Here >> www.opensolaris.org >>> >>> Laura Ramsey wrote: >>> >>>> Headline: 10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year >>>> Blurb: So many ways to participate >>>> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 12:04:10 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:04:10 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <44637E7F.3050302@sun.com> References: <44637E7F.3050302@sun.com> Message-ID: <44638AAA.5000600@sun.com> Moazam, Would you be willing to create one that we could post on the marketing site? I think it would be really nice to have available and we could print it as needed. Sara Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Moazam Raja wrote: >> Hi all, I've noticed that there are some pretty decent OpenSolaris >> related photos of 'the community' over at Flickr. Would anyone be >> interested in creating a 20"x30" poster image which combines roughly >> 100 OpenSolaris photos? >> >> If so, there is a an 'automator' script which will create a 20"x30" >> poster (vertical or horizontal) by using a stack of images given to >> it. I tried it yesterday and it seems pretty nice but some photos >> need a tiny bit of tweaking (rotation issues, nothing major). >> >> The cool thing about this type of poster is that you folks can >> actually re-upload the resulting PNG back to Flickr and let people >> download and print it on their own if they want to. This makes it >> practically free for Sun. >> >> The automator script: >> http://www.automator.us/downloads.html#1004 > > > I love the idea. I use about 20 OpenSolaris pics from flickr in my > OpenSolaris slides, and I spend time talking about what individual > people have done to contribute to the community. A poster (that > actually looks nice as compared to my attempt :)) would be really nice > to have. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 12:09:05 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:09:05 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> Message-ID: <44638BD1.1030104@sun.com> On these ideas from you and Bonnie, there is a nice simplicity to them. I like: OpenSolaris Code, Community, Conversation www.opensolaris.org Not sure I like it better than some of the others, but it definitely gets to the point. Sara > > Here are some more (from me and bonnie) > > OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration > Discover /your/ opportunity > > OpenSolaris > Code, Community, Collaboration > > OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration > It's /your/ choice > > OpenSolaris > It's all about the code > > OpenSolaris > It's all about the community > > OpenSolaris > It's all about the code and the community > > OpenSolaris > It's all about code and community > > OpenSolaris > Code. Community > > OpenSolaris: You decide. > Code, Community, Collaboration > > OpenSolaris: You decide. > Code, Community, Conversation > > > Ok, I'm out of ideas. :) > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From moazam at unixville.com Thu May 11 12:08:56 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:08:56 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <44638AAA.5000600@sun.com> References: <44637E7F.3050302@sun.com> <44638AAA.5000600@sun.com> Message-ID: <2257F4B0-74AB-4E73-911E-F58402D3025F@unixville.com> Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos from Flickr, but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 images leaves a gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to put a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* can't legally put that logo there, I think. I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into the poster later tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then whoever wants to put the final touches on it can get the source doc (PDF, huge 20"x30") from me. -Moazam On May 11, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Moazam, > Would you be willing to create one that we could post on the > marketing site? I think it would be really nice to have available > and we could print it as needed. > Sara > > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> Moazam Raja wrote: >>> Hi all, I've noticed that there are some pretty decent >>> OpenSolaris related photos of 'the community' over at Flickr. >>> Would anyone be interested in creating a 20"x30" poster image >>> which combines roughly 100 OpenSolaris photos? >>> >>> If so, there is a an 'automator' script which will create a >>> 20"x30" poster (vertical or horizontal) by using a stack of >>> images given to it. I tried it yesterday and it seems pretty >>> nice but some photos need a tiny bit of tweaking (rotation >>> issues, nothing major). >>> >>> The cool thing about this type of poster is that you folks can >>> actually re-upload the resulting PNG back to Flickr and let >>> people download and print it on their own if they want to. This >>> makes it practically free for Sun. >>> >>> The automator script: >>> http://www.automator.us/downloads.html#1004 >> >> >> I love the idea. I use about 20 OpenSolaris pics from flickr in my >> OpenSolaris slides, and I spend time talking about what individual >> people have done to contribute to the community. A poster (that >> actually looks nice as compared to my attempt :)) would be really >> nice to have. >> >> Jim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 12:20:26 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:20:26 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <2257F4B0-74AB-4E73-911E-F58402D3025F@unixville.com> References: <44637E7F.3050302@sun.com> <44638AAA.5000600@sun.com> <2257F4B0-74AB-4E73-911E-F58402D3025F@unixville.com> Message-ID: <44638E7A.4030600@sun.com> How about the fan buttons? Moazam Raja wrote: > Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos from Flickr, but > there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 images leaves a gap > on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to put a > "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* can't legally put > that logo there, I think. > > I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into the poster later > tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then whoever wants to put the > final touches on it can get the source doc (PDF, huge 20"x30") from me. > > -Moazam > > On May 11, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Moazam, >> Would you be willing to create one that we could post on the >> marketing site? I think it would be really nice to have available and >> we could print it as needed. >> Sara >> >> >> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >>> Moazam Raja wrote: >>>> Hi all, I've noticed that there are some pretty decent OpenSolaris >>>> related photos of 'the community' over at Flickr. Would anyone be >>>> interested in creating a 20"x30" poster image which combines >>>> roughly 100 OpenSolaris photos? >>>> >>>> If so, there is a an 'automator' script which will create a >>>> 20"x30" poster (vertical or horizontal) by using a stack of images >>>> given to it. I tried it yesterday and it seems pretty nice but >>>> some photos need a tiny bit of tweaking (rotation issues, nothing >>>> major). >>>> >>>> The cool thing about this type of poster is that you folks can >>>> actually re-upload the resulting PNG back to Flickr and let people >>>> download and print it on their own if they want to. This makes it >>>> practically free for Sun. >>>> >>>> The automator script: >>>> http://www.automator.us/downloads.html#1004 >>> >>> >>> I love the idea. I use about 20 OpenSolaris pics from flickr in my >>> OpenSolaris slides, and I spend time talking about what individual >>> people have done to contribute to the community. A poster (that >>> actually looks nice as compared to my attempt :)) would be really >>> nice to have. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu May 11 12:25:19 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:25:19 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Web Banner --WEB POLL! Message-ID: <44638F9F.90303@sun.com> Thank you Moazam for setting this up for us! Here's the link to the webpoll: http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll ...and I guess we vote for favorite choice? It's hard, I know I have 3 faves... LKR From moazam at unixville.com Thu May 11 12:26:13 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:26:13 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <44638E7A.4030600@sun.com> References: <44637E7F.3050302@sun.com> <44638AAA.5000600@sun.com> <2257F4B0-74AB-4E73-911E-F58402D3025F@unixville.com> <44638E7A.4030600@sun.com> Message-ID: <7353024D-1C8B-44F3-B214-728E086F1823@unixville.com> Sara, good idea. I'll look into that. -Moazam On May 11, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > How about the fan buttons? > > Moazam Raja wrote: >> Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos from Flickr, >> but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 images leaves >> a gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would be a good idea >> to put a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* can't >> legally put that logo there, I think. >> >> I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into the poster >> later tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then whoever wants >> to put the final touches on it can get the source doc (PDF, huge >> 20"x30") from me. >> >> -Moazam >> >> On May 11, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: From benr at cuddletech.com Thu May 11 13:11:14 2006 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:11:14 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44638BD1.1030104@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <44638BD1.1030104@sun.com> Message-ID: <44639A62.4080104@cuddletech.com> There are a lot of good ideas here and frankly I'm split because of all the choice. Perhaps we could have 3 ads that rotate? That way things don't get dull. My thoughts are that we need something gripping. Many of the tags below pump OpenSolaris but don't speak to its evolution. These are all great ideas, but I think that for the 1 year mark we need to push not what we are but what we have been and will continue to be. Plus, we want something gripping and less marketeer sounding, so I like the "C-O-D-E" ideas since it'll appeal to the larger geek crowd. But the '10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year [So many ways to participate]' appeals most to me, namely because of the "So many ways to participate", but then backing that up with fact. It helps show how established we are and that this isn't some fly-by-night operation that'll fizzle out. If people aren't coming to OpenSolaris.org its easy for them to think "Ah, that thing'll die out, its probly idle." Thats closed minded "in my little world" thinking... we want to break people free from that, so establishing our record is a good thing and whats needed more than any snazzy tagline. BTW, I _really_ like "DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... [How many one-year-olds can do that?]" but i reject it because those are traits of Solaris 10, not just OpenSolaris, so it could be misleading for folks. As much as possible I try to keep Solaris and OpenSolaris separate so as not to confuse users/customers. benr. Sara Dornsife wrote: > On these ideas from you and Bonnie, there is a nice simplicity to them. > > I like: > > OpenSolaris > Code, Community, Conversation > www.opensolaris.org > > Not sure I like it better than some of the others, but it definitely > gets to the point. > Sara > >> >> Here are some more (from me and bonnie) >> >> OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration >> Discover /your/ opportunity >> >> OpenSolaris >> Code, Community, Collaboration >> >> OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration >> It's /your/ choice >> >> OpenSolaris >> It's all about the code >> >> OpenSolaris >> It's all about the community >> >> OpenSolaris >> It's all about the code and the community >> >> OpenSolaris >> It's all about code and community >> >> OpenSolaris >> Code. Community >> >> OpenSolaris: You decide. >> Code, Community, Collaboration >> >> OpenSolaris: You decide. >> Code, Community, Conversation >> >> >> Ok, I'm out of ideas. :) >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 13:16:17 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:16:17 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44639A62.4080104@cuddletech.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <44638BD1.1030104@sun.com> <44639A62.4080104@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <44639B91.4090806@sun.com> Ben Rockwood wrote: > There are a lot of good ideas here and frankly I'm split because of > all the choice. Perhaps we could have 3 ads that rotate? That way > things don't get dull. I just got us 3 months, which equals 3 ads that will run for one month each. Does that help? You could vote for your top 3. Sara > > My thoughts are that we need something gripping. Many of the tags > below pump OpenSolaris but don't speak to its evolution. These are > all great ideas, but I think that for the 1 year mark we need to push > not what we are but what we have been and will continue to be. Plus, > we want something gripping and less marketeer sounding, so I like the > "C-O-D-E" ideas since it'll appeal to the larger geek crowd. But the > '10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year [So many > ways to participate]' appeals most to me, namely because of the "So > many ways to participate", but then backing that up with fact. It > helps show how established we are and that this isn't some > fly-by-night operation that'll fizzle out. If people aren't coming to > OpenSolaris.org its easy for them to think "Ah, that thing'll die out, > its probly idle." Thats closed minded "in my little world" > thinking... we want to break people free from that, so establishing > our record is a good thing and whats needed more than any snazzy tagline. > > BTW, I _really_ like "DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... [How many > one-year-olds can do that?]" but i reject it because those are traits > of Solaris 10, not just OpenSolaris, so it could be misleading for > folks. As much as possible I try to keep Solaris and OpenSolaris > separate so as not to confuse users/customers. > > benr. > > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> On these ideas from you and Bonnie, there is a nice simplicity to them. >> >> I like: >> >> OpenSolaris >> Code, Community, Conversation >> www.opensolaris.org >> >> Not sure I like it better than some of the others, but it definitely >> gets to the point. >> Sara >> >>> >>> Here are some more (from me and bonnie) >>> >>> OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration >>> Discover /your/ opportunity >>> >>> OpenSolaris >>> Code, Community, Collaboration >>> >>> OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration >>> It's /your/ choice >>> >>> OpenSolaris >>> It's all about the code >>> >>> OpenSolaris >>> It's all about the community >>> >>> OpenSolaris >>> It's all about the code and the community >>> >>> OpenSolaris >>> It's all about code and community >>> >>> OpenSolaris >>> Code. Community >>> >>> OpenSolaris: You decide. >>> Code, Community, Collaboration >>> >>> OpenSolaris: You decide. >>> Code, Community, Conversation >>> >>> >>> Ok, I'm out of ideas. :) >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu May 11 13:28:48 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:28:48 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44639B91.4090806@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <44638BD1.1030104@sun.com> <44639A62.4080104@cuddletech.com> <44639B91.4090806@sun.com> Message-ID: <44639E80.40500@sun.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> There are a lot of good ideas here and frankly I'm split because of >> all the choice. Perhaps we could have 3 ads that rotate? That way >> things don't get dull. > > I just got us 3 months, which equals 3 ads that will run for one month > each. Does that help? You could vote for your top 3. Can't they rotate each time the page is refreshed? > Ben Rockwood wrote: >> My thoughts are that we need something gripping. Many of the tags >> below pump OpenSolaris but don't speak to its evolution. These are >> all great ideas, but I think that for the 1 year mark we need to push >> not what we are but what we have been and will continue to be. Plus, >> we want something gripping and less marketeer sounding, so I like the >> "C-O-D-E" ideas since it'll appeal to the larger geek crowd. But the >> '10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year [So many >> ways to participate]' appeals most to me, namely because of the "So >> many ways to participate", but then backing that up with fact. It >> helps show how established we are and that this isn't some >> fly-by-night operation that'll fizzle out. If people aren't coming to >> OpenSolaris.org its easy for them to think "Ah, that thing'll die out, >> its probly idle." Thats closed minded "in my little world" >> thinking... we want to break people free from that, so establishing >> our record is a good thing and whats needed more than any snazzy tagline. >> >> BTW, I _really_ like "DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... [How many >> one-year-olds can do that?]" but i reject it because those are traits >> of Solaris 10, not just OpenSolaris, so it could be misleading for >> folks. As much as possible I try to keep Solaris and OpenSolaris >> separate so as not to confuse users/customers. >> >> benr. >> >> >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> On these ideas from you and Bonnie, there is a nice simplicity to them. >>> >>> I like: >>> >>> OpenSolaris >>> Code, Community, Conversation >>> www.opensolaris.org >>> >>> Not sure I like it better than some of the others, but it definitely >>> gets to the point. >>> Sara >>> >>>> >>>> Here are some more (from me and bonnie) >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration >>>> Discover /your/ opportunity >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris >>>> Code, Community, Collaboration >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration >>>> It's /your/ choice >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris >>>> It's all about the code >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris >>>> It's all about the community >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris >>>> It's all about the code and the community >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris >>>> It's all about code and community >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris >>>> Code. Community >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris: You decide. >>>> Code, Community, Collaboration >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris: You decide. >>>> Code, Community, Conversation >>>> >>>> >>>> Ok, I'm out of ideas. :) >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> > From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu May 11 13:28:14 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:28:14 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] WebPoll for OpenSolaris Banner Ad--Vote Today! Message-ID: <44639E5E.6070801@sun.com> Okay, I admit...I'm spamming... http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll LKR From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu May 11 13:30:41 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:30:41 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44639A62.4080104@cuddletech.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <44638BD1.1030104@sun.com> <44639A62.4080104@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <44639EF1.2040905@sun.com> Ben Rockwood wrote: > BTW, I _really_ like "DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... [How many > one-year-olds can do that?]" but i reject it because those are traits of > Solaris 10, not just OpenSolaris, so it could be misleading for folks. > As much as possible I try to keep Solaris and OpenSolaris separate so as > not to confuse users/customers. This is a good point. (And I really liked it, too). Maybe we can loan it to our friends in Solaris marketing? Jim From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Thu May 11 13:31:03 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:31:03 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44639EF1.2040905@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <44638BD1.1030104@sun.com> <44639A62.4080104@cuddletech.com> <44639EF1.2040905@sun.com> Message-ID: <44639F07.3070406@sun.com> Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> BTW, I _really_ like "DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... [How many >> one-year-olds can do that?]" but i reject it because those are traits >> of Solaris 10, not just OpenSolaris, so it could be misleading for >> folks. As much as possible I try to keep Solaris and OpenSolaris >> separate so as not to confuse users/customers. > > > This is a good point. (And I really liked it, too). Maybe we can loan > it to our friends in Solaris marketing? Solaris is not one year old...they market it at 20+ years old...but there's something here, you're right. LKR > > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From benr at cuddletech.com Thu May 11 13:33:13 2006 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:33:13 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44639B91.4090806@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <44638BD1.1030104@sun.com> <44639A62.4080104@cuddletech.com> <44639B91.4090806@sun.com> Message-ID: <44639F89.6080305@cuddletech.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: >> There are a lot of good ideas here and frankly I'm split because of >> all the choice. Perhaps we could have 3 ads that rotate? That way >> things don't get dull. > I just got us 3 months, which equals 3 ads that will run for one month > each. Does that help? You could vote for your top 3. That'll work, but what would be ideal would be to use a little JavaScript to randomly pick one of the ads from a pool of 3 or more so that users don't always see the same ad over and over... just to mix it up a bit. Using this method we could actually run all the different ideas, regardless of how many there are. ;) benr. From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu May 11 13:40:06 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:40:06 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> Message-ID: <4463A126.3050903@sun.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Thursdays > 7am PT > > Dial-in > 866-545-5198 > 865 521-8904 (int'l) > 558-7579 (participant code) > > I've included everyone on this list that responded in any way to any of > the anniversary emails that went around. I hope people will be able to > attend and participate in the planning and activities. > > Agenda: > - Introductions (quickly) > - Review and discussion of list of activities (attached in StarOffice - > let me know if that doesn't work for you, it's also below but may look > awful) in order to fill out tables. > - Prioritize and other ideas > - Next steps This was a good call. Thanks for suggesting/leading it, Sara. And probably more importantly, I think this was the first open call on OpenSolaris where non-Sun community members were invited to participate in a tele conference from the very beginning planning stages of a project. Congrats! Jim From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 13:45:43 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:45:43 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44639F89.6080305@cuddletech.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <44638BD1.1030104@sun.com> <44639A62.4080104@cuddletech.com> <44639B91.4090806@sun.com> <44639F89.6080305@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <4463A277.8090608@sun.com> Ben Rockwood wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Ben Rockwood wrote: >>> There are a lot of good ideas here and frankly I'm split because of >>> all the choice. Perhaps we could have 3 ads that rotate? That way >>> things don't get dull. >> I just got us 3 months, which equals 3 ads that will run for one >> month each. Does that help? You could vote for your top 3. > That'll work, but what would be ideal would be to use a little > JavaScript to randomly pick one of the ads from a pool of 3 or more so > that users don't always see the same ad over and over... just to mix > it up a bit. Using this method we could actually run all the > different ideas, regardless of how many there are. ;) Have you seen the banners on the site? They aren't very dynamic. > > benr. > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 11 13:52:57 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:52:57 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> Message-ID: <4463A429.5090603@sun.com> FYI Thank you Moazam for setting this up for us! Here's the link to a web poll to vote on your favorite banner ad. http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll Sara Sara Dornsife wrote: > Thursdays > 7am PT > > Dial-in > 866-545-5198 > 865 521-8904 (int'l) > 558-7579 (participant code) > > I've included everyone on this list that responded in any way to any > of the anniversary emails that went around. I hope people will be able > to attend and participate in the planning and activities. > > Agenda: > - Introductions (quickly) > - Review and discussion of list of activities (attached in StarOffice > - let me know if that doesn't work for you, it's also below but may > look awful) in order to fill out tables. > - Prioritize and other ideas > - Next steps > > The Community > > For the one year anniversary we would like a celebration for those > that have participated and collaborated with each other to build a > successful open source community. > > As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the OpenSolaris > user groups a package. The package will consist of a specially > designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and window clings. > > In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up to > update and add content to the site. As a group we are working on > banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning publicly for the > anniversary. > > > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > CD/DVD > > > > Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary > > > > June 14^th > > > > - screen printed CDs > > > > > Awards > > > > > > * > > code contributions > > * > > documentation contributions > > * > > most innovative work with OpenSolaris source > > * > > something with the distributions > > * > > mail list activity -- most posts > > * > > best ideas > > * > > best flames (ok, probably not) > > * > > most fixes proposed > > * > > most bugs found > > * > > most blogs > > * > > Other ideas? > > > > > > > Up for discussion > > - Needs a name > > > > Jim > > Wall Paper > > > > #1 wall paper for community members to download > > > > > > > > > > > Blogs > > > > Anniversary blogs from community members > > > > > > > > > > > T-shirts > > > > Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site > > > > > > > > > > Sara > > User Group webcast > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura > > User Group gifts > > > > t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user group > > > > > > > > > > Laura > > Install Guides > > > > Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers get a > quicker start > > > > > > > > > > > Website updates > > > > - New graphic on home page > > - Recognition Clouds? > > - Awards > > - Updates to mktg materials > > > > > > > - Evangelist card and CD art posted > > > > > > Sun Field > > We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open source > focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some questions/docs > that we could create for the field and some sample answers that I made up. > > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Knowledge survey > > > > Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open source, > relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will get something > (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris embassador? Win a tshirt? > > > > 07/01/06 > > > > New idea > > > > > New materials? > > > > Listed below > > > > > > > New Idea > > > > > > > * > > Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open > source mean to our customers? > > o > > The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our > customers can gain the benefits of source and engineering > access, lower cost of entry, customization, and community. > > * > > How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and > differences? > > o > > Source code versus binaries. > > o > > Tested vs untested. > > o > > Sun supported vs community supported. > > o > > Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is > more "advanced" than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. > > * > > Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? Why > is it good for our customers? > > o > > Brief description of benefits of CDDL. > > * > > What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about when > it comes to OpenSolaris? > > o > > Community size and successes > > o > > distributions > > o > > license > > o > > opensolaris.org is where it's all at > > o > > CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) > > o > > how to contribute/participate and why > > * > > Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial stuff > and vice versa? > > * > > Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? > > o > > Free and full access to the code > > o > > Access to the community > > o > > Access to more Sun engineers through the community > > o > > Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ > were all released through OpenSolaris first and > communities exist around these right now on opensolaris.org > > o > > That we are not expecting them to certify their > applications to OpenSolaris (there is no "product" > associated, just code and community), they should maintain > compatibility with the shipping version of Solaris > > o > > The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over 4.5 > million based on our download numbers > > * > > Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales person's > perspective. > > o > > Strict ROI chart. > > * > > Highlight the things coming out of the community that are > helping our "commercial" customers? > > o > > Bug fixes > > o > > Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) > > o > > community members > > * > > Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling > the community -- the reverse. > > o > > Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. ZFS, > BrandZ. > > > > Media Outreach > There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the distributions. > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason > > > > Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris because > it is now open sourced > > > > Wk 4/24 > > > > > > > Laura > > Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to press, > analysts, and Sun execs > > > > A snapshot of community statistics > > > > 06/01/06 > > > > > > > Patrick > > Contributed Articles > > > > Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their behalf? > > > > > > > > > > > > Other promotional opportunities > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Sun.com banner ads > > > > Proposed to mixed reviews > > C-O-D-E > > OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word > > Could go with: > > Innovation Happens Everywhere > > OpenSolaris > > > > > > > Need ideas -- has gone out to community for comment. > > > > Sara > > BigAdmin newsletter > > > > > > > Publication data 6/21/06 > > > > Content deadline 6/6 > > > > > Solaris Developer Newsletter > > > > Community contributed article? > > > > Publication date 6/14/06 > > > > Content deadline 6/6 > > > > > Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column for June > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do try from time to time. Let's change that again in order to make it flow and sound smooth like a "jingle". I walked around the house and sang it out for little baby Rachel. She thought it was funny as hell. Or maybe I was. dunno. So just sing the words thus: Fast, Safe, Open and Free ! Open for business. Open for me. Now I will write the musical score and for that Stephen has a kazoo :-) Dennis From Terri.Molini at Sun.COM Thu May 11 16:17:57 2006 From: Terri.Molini at Sun.COM (Terri Molini) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:17:57 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <1432.209.226.147.127.1147388522.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <1187.209.226.147.127.1147371857.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <44638564.9080602@sun.com> <1432.209.226.147.127.1147388522.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <4463C625.2080901@sun.com> I was listening to Desperado while I read the jingle and Freedom is just a word... It works. Dennis Clarke wrote: >>>Now here is a rhyme from me. >>> >>>Headline: OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free ! >>>Blurb: An OS for business, an OS for me. >>>Call: http://www.opensolaris.org >>> >>> >>>yes ... I am feeling poetic today. >>> >>> >>> >>Yeah you are. I would recommend one change though, since OpenSolaris >>isn't technically an OS.... >> >>Headline: OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free ! >>Blurb: open source for business, open source for me. >>Call: http://www.opensolaris.org >> >>Very clever Dennis. >>+1 >> >> > >Thanks. I do try from time to time. > >Let's change that again in order to make it flow and sound smooth like a >"jingle". I walked around the house and sang it out for little baby Rachel. >She thought it was funny as hell. Or maybe I was. dunno. > >So just sing the words thus: > > Fast, Safe, Open and Free ! > Open for business. Open for me. > > Now I will write the musical score and for that Stephen has a kazoo :-) > >Dennis >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > -- Happiness has a bearing; it is not just something. Mexican proverb Terri Molini Sun Microsystems, Inc. Global Communications 408/404-4976 office; x6-9968 408/404-4976 fax 408/406-9021 mobile IM: tmolini NetBeans Software Day The third annual NetBeans Software Day is a free event taking place on Monday 15 May 2006 at the Argent Hotel in San Francisco. James Gosling, the father of Java technology, and other Java technology luminaries will be present to discuss the NetBeans software and the future of Java developer tools. There is no charge to attend this event and attendees do not need to be registered for the JavaOne conference. Space is limited. http://java.sun.com/javaone/sf/netbeansday.jsp. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dclarke at blastwave.org Thu May 11 16:33:32 2006 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] WebPoll for OpenSolaris Banner Ad--Vote Today! In-Reply-To: <44639E5E.6070801@sun.com> References: <44639E5E.6070801@sun.com> Message-ID: <1484.209.226.147.127.1147390412.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > > > Okay, I admit...I'm spamming... > > http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll > Can you change that last one there : from : OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free! [open source for business, open source for me] To OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free! [open for business, open for me] because it flows better and its not just the source that is open. It is an open process and an open community and the open source. -- Dennis Clarke From moazam at unixville.com Thu May 11 16:35:10 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:35:10 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] WebPoll for OpenSolaris Banner Ad--Vote Today! In-Reply-To: <1484.209.226.147.127.1147390412.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <44639E5E.6070801@sun.com> <1484.209.226.147.127.1147390412.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <3D50ECDE-3F3E-4D3F-8C76-505C88BA2372@unixville.com> Would you like me to change the existing entry, or create a new one? -Moazam On May 11, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> >> >> Okay, I admit...I'm spamming... >> >> http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll >> > > Can you change that last one there : > > from : > > OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free! [open source for > business, open > source for me] > > To > > OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free! [open for business, open > for me] > > > because it flows better and its not just the source that is open. > It is an > open process and an open community and the open source. > > > -- > Dennis Clarke > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From moazam at unixville.com Thu May 11 16:46:28 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:46:28 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] WebPoll for OpenSolaris Banner Ad--Vote Today! In-Reply-To: <3D50ECDE-3F3E-4D3F-8C76-505C88BA2372@unixville.com> References: <44639E5E.6070801@sun.com> <1484.209.226.147.127.1147390412.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <3D50ECDE-3F3E-4D3F-8C76-505C88BA2372@unixville.com> Message-ID: <79A615FE-1BF6-4C4A-A9DE-5BA1467F71FE@unixville.com> Nevermind, I just went ahead and changed the existing text. http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll -Moazam On May 11, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Moazam Raja wrote: > Would you like me to change the existing entry, or create a new one? > > -Moazam > > On May 11, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> Can you change that last one there : >> >> from : >> >> OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free! [open source for >> business, open >> source for me] >> >> To >> >> OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open and Free! [open for business, open >> for me] >> >> >> because it flows better and its not just the source that is open. >> It is an >> open process and an open community and the open source. >> >> >> -- >> Dennis Clarke From dclarke at blastwave.org Thu May 11 16:58:02 2006 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <4463C625.2080901@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <1187.209.226.147.127.1147371857.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <44638564.9080602@sun.com> <1432.209.226.147.127.1147388522.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <4463C625.2080901@sun.com> Message-ID: <1581.209.226.147.127.1147391882.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > I was listening to Desperado while I read the jingle and > > Freedom is just a word... "Freedom is just a word until someone sets you free." -- Dennis Clarke "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose." -- Kris Kristofferson in 'Me and Bobby McGee'. or one of my favorite authors : "It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them." Mark Twain Dennis From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Thu May 11 21:45:50 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (patrick finch) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 06:45:50 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> Message-ID: <446412FE.6060402@sun.com> My vote: Headline: 10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year Blurb: So many ways to participate Call: http://www.opensolaris.org I like this one the best, I don't think it is perfect (the blurb seems to assume that the reader already wants to participate, something like "and so many reasons to participate" might be better) , but it tells you things about the project that you might not know - especially the distros and projects numbers. I see these banner ads as a first opportunity to hook people's interest or to change their perception, so a count of distros is interesting. Patrick Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> Headline: OpenSolaris: All That and More... >> Blurb: x people, y downloads, z discussions - (dynamically update...) >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > Doesn't move me either way. I like listing the stuff in the blurb but > the headline is a bit weak. > > >> Headline: It's about the code, stupid >> Blurb: Building a real operating system that's real open Call: >> http://www.opensolaris.org > > > I don't like the "stupid" part. Also, what does "real" operating system > mean? I think we rejected this one in an earlier thread. > > >> Headline: DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... >> Blurb: How many one-year-olds can do that? >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > > I like this one a lot. Very clean and simple. > > >> Headline: 10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year >> Blurb: So many ways to participate >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > > This one is ok. It's a bit soft but ok. I could grow to like it, I suppose. > > >> Headline: OpenSolaris >> Blurb: All the stability of BSD, all the features of Linux, more >> innovation than anything else >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > > Don't like it. It's too competitive. I believe all of our ads should be > 100 percent positive on OpenSolaris with no competitive connotations. > They should be all focused on code, community, technology features, etc. > > >> Headline: C_O_D_E is a 4-letter word >> Blurb: Join OpenSolaris >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > I like the original much better: > > OpenSolaris is a 4 letter word > C-O-D-E > > >> Headline: Innovation Happens Everywhere >> Blurb: Especially Here >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > I don't like this one because "here" may imply Sun to some. But I love > Innovation Happens Everywhere. Perhaps this: > > OpenSolaris > Innovation Happens Everywhere > > It's simple and may be a bit boring, but I think that has value as > branding. Perhaps we can have three ads: one focused on code, one > focused on community, one focused on the project. This would be the > project one. > > >> Headline: Join up, Write Code, Put Back >> Blurb: Let's Make a great OS Better >> call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > > This idea has potential, but I don't like the blurb. How about: > > OpenSolaris > Write Code, Put Back > > Not very good, I know. I like the writing part, though. :) > > >> Headline: Celebrate! >> Blurb: Making a Great OS Better >> Call: http://www.opensolaris.org > > Naa. > > Here are some more (from me and bonnie) > > OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration > Discover /your/ opportunity > > OpenSolaris > Code, Community, Collaboration > > OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration > It's /your/ choice > > OpenSolaris > It's all about the code > > OpenSolaris > It's all about the community > > OpenSolaris > It's all about the code and the community > > OpenSolaris > It's all about code and community > > OpenSolaris > Code. Community > > OpenSolaris: You decide. > Code, Community, Collaboration > > OpenSolaris: You decide. > Code, Community, Conversation > > > Ok, I'm out of ideas. :) > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From jim.grisanzio at sun.com Thu May 11 22:59:07 2006 From: jim.grisanzio at sun.com (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:59:07 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <2257F4B0-74AB-4E73-911E-F58402D3025F@unixville.com> Message-ID: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos > from Flickr, > but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 > images leaves a > gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would be a > good idea to put > a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* > can't legally put > that logo there, I think. > > I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into > the poster later > tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then whoever > wants to put the > final touches on it can get the source doc (PDF, huge > 20"x30") from me. > > -Moazam I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris activities and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to add to the pile. Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, and the user group meeting. Jim This message posted from opensolaris.org From moazam at unixville.com Thu May 11 23:18:57 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:18:57 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <24639303-8E1D-4A74-9870-DB912942E99E@unixville.com> Jim, perfect timing! BTW, outside shots or photos with a lot of lighting would be best for a poster. Thanks! -Moazam On May 11, 2006, at 10:59 PM, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris activities > and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to add to the pile. > Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, and the user group > meeting. > > Jim From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Fri May 12 02:49:07 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:49:07 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Improvements to the user group talks & presentations page ? Message-ID: <1147427347.18602.20.camel@haiiro> Hey Folks, Sara mentioned yesterday that Martin was looking for a nicer, more cuddly user-groups talks and presentation page.[1] http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/ Without a wodge of server-side support, allowing you to search/sort/categorise the content nicely, this could be tricky. (and I believe getting support from the server folks at the moment is probably going to be like pulling teeth - they're a tad busy) So, I was thinking about stuff we could do *without* going to the server. Two ideas: (and I'll probably implement both of them, if nobody has any objections) a) Upgrade the table to the modern era - use a bit of Javascript to allow us to sort the table via columns. Eg. http://www.frequency-decoder.com/demo/table-sort/ b) Add a column of keywords : this would be a keyword on the main topic of the talk (and hence sortable by the above) Another idea would be to drop a Google "Search this site" box on the page, but I'm not sure if favouring one search engine company over the others is a terribly nice thing to do. Does anyone else have other thoughts - I'll happily be the code monkey here, so if there's been anything bugging you about that list or you have ideas on how it could be improved, just let me know. There's no timescale here, I'll just update it when I get a chance. cheers, tim [1] btw. sorry I missed the last mktg con-call Bad timezone calculations on my behalf. -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri May 12 04:50:18 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (patrick finch) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:50:18 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Updated metrics... In-Reply-To: <44521B7F.7000405@holland.sun.com> References: <44521B7F.7000405@holland.sun.com> Message-ID: <4464767A.7030004@sun.com> All, metrics are updated here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/latest/ regards Patrick From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Fri May 12 06:30:55 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:30:55 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> Message-ID: <44648E0F.2090101@Sun.COM> My comments about this list are inline below. But after reading the thread so far, I'm not sure what we're doing anymore. Are we voting for 1? 3? More than 3? And are we just voting for this original list or all the additions that have been added through conversation? Perhaps we need a final list, a number to vote for, and a deadline? Thanks. Bonnie Laura Ramsey wrote On 05/11/06 11:15,: > > There have been so many cool suggestions for Banner ads--and some are > saying we're going with "Code is a 4-letter word". > Let's confirm that. > > Here's a list of nominated banner slogans that came from community > members--some on list and some off list. > > PLEASE VOTE ON LIST! By hitting REPLY, and putting your name by the one > you like so we get a final tally. > > LKR > > > > Headline: OpenSolaris: All That and More... > Blurb: x people, y downloads, z discussions - (dynamically update...) > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Doesn't do anything for me. > > > Headline: It's about the code, stupid > Blurb: Building a real operating system that's real open Call: > http://www.opensolaris.org I really don't like the "stupid". And I'm not sure what 'real open' is supposed to mean - or why someone would call anyone - none of the others have that at the end - we should just have the URL. > > > Headline: DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ ... > Blurb: How many one-year-olds can do that? > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org I agree with Ben - this could be confused with Solaris 10. > > > Headline: 10 M lines, 5 distros, 13,000+ members, XX projects, 1 year > Blurb: So many ways to participate > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org This is ok - but the numbers have to be updated - ON alone has almost 10M lines of code. We need to at least approximate all the consolidation code available now. > > > Headline: OpenSolaris > Blurb: All the stability of BSD, all the features of Linux, more > innovation than anything else > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org I don't like the mention of BSD and Linux - sounds too competitive - which for this sounds negative to me. We don't want to start arguments about which is better or more stable or faster or whatever. > > Headline: C_O_D_E is a 4-letter word > Blurb: Join OpenSolaris > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org I agree with Jim - I like the original better. > > Headline: Innovation Happens Everywhere > Blurb: Especially Here > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org I'm tired of this one - and I don't like that 'here' could be read as Sun as opposed to the OpenSolaris website/community. > > Headline: Join up, Write Code, Put Back > Blurb: Let's Make a great OS Better > call: http://www.opensolaris.org Ok. > > Headline: Celebrate! > Blurb: Making a Great OS Better > Call: http://www.opensolaris.org Doesn't do anything for me I like the one from Dennis that rhymes. > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Fri May 12 06:37:35 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:37:35 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> I like the idea of the poster, but we need to be careful about which photographs we use because photographs are copyrighted material. And from the TOU on Flickr: #7: Flickr is intended for personal use and is not a generic image hosting service. Professional or corporate uses of Flickr are prohibited. Thanks. Bonnie Jim Grisanzio wrote On 05/11/06 23:59,: >>Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos >>from Flickr, >>but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 >>images leaves a >>gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would be a >>good idea to put >>a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* >>can't legally put >>that logo there, I think. >> >>I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into >>the poster later >>tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then whoever >>wants to put the >>final touches on it can get the source doc (PDF, huge >>20"x30") from me. >> >>-Moazam > > > > I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris activities and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to add to the pile. Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, and the user group meeting. > > Jim > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri May 12 06:44:10 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:44:10 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <44649129.4060309@sun.com> So are you saying that if we use only photos from community members with their permission to use them (Jim, Simon, Tim, etc) and are just using Flickr as the medium for storing those photos, we're OK? Sara Bonnie Corwin wrote: > I like the idea of the poster, but we need to be careful about which > photographs we use because photographs are copyrighted material. > > And from the TOU on Flickr: > > #7: Flickr is intended for personal use and is not a generic image > hosting service. Professional or corporate uses of Flickr are prohibited. > > Thanks. > > Bonnie > > Jim Grisanzio wrote On 05/11/06 23:59,: > >>> Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos >>> >> >from Flickr, >> >>> but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 >>> images leaves a >>> gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would be a >>> good idea to put >>> a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* >>> can't legally put >>> that logo there, I think. >>> >>> I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into >>> the poster later >>> tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then whoever >>> wants to put the >>> final touches on it can get the source doc (PDF, huge >>> 20"x30") from me. >>> >>> -Moazam >>> >> >> I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris activities and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to add to the pile. Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, and the user group meeting. >> >> Jim >> >> >> This message posted from opensolaris.org >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Fri May 12 07:11:58 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:11:58 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <44649129.4060309@sun.com> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> <44649129.4060309@sun.com> Message-ID: <446497AE.8090605@Sun.COM> Sara Dornsife wrote On 05/12/06 07:44,: > So are you saying that if we use only photos from community members with > their permission to use them (Jim, Simon, Tim, etc) and are just using > Flickr as the medium for storing those photos, we're OK? Seems like that would probably be ok since we would have permission from the photographers. I'm assuming permission trumps the Flickr TOU. But I'm not a lawyer. Bonnie > Sara > > Bonnie Corwin wrote: > >>I like the idea of the poster, but we need to be careful about which >>photographs we use because photographs are copyrighted material. >> >>And from the TOU on Flickr: >> >>#7: Flickr is intended for personal use and is not a generic image >>hosting service. Professional or corporate uses of Flickr are prohibited. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Bonnie >> >>Jim Grisanzio wrote On 05/11/06 23:59,: >> >> >>>>Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos >>>> >>>> >>>>from Flickr, >>> >>> >>>>but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 >>>>images leaves a >>>>gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would be a >>>>good idea to put >>>>a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* >>>>can't legally put >>>>that logo there, I think. >>>> >>>>I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into >>>>the poster later >>>>tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then whoever >>>>wants to put the >>>>final touches on it can get the source doc (PDF, huge >>>>20"x30") from me. >>>> >>>>-Moazam >>>> >>>> >>> >>>I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris activities and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to add to the pile. Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, and the user group meeting. >>> >>>Jim >>> >>> >>>This message posted from opensolaris.org >>>_______________________________________________ >>>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Fri May 12 07:57:31 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:57:31 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <446497AE.8090605@Sun.COM> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> <44649129.4060309@sun.com> <446497AE.8090605@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4464A25B.6080909@sun.com> Flickr allows you to choose your license. I give my stuff away under Creative Commons (CC) -- take it, change it, don't make money, contribute changes back or I come after you with the cops. So, all the images we use should be under CC or we need the permission of the photographer for sure. You can clearly see that each image has a copyright next to it. Now, not being an expert in this either, I don't see how #7 below prohibits us from doing a digital poster anymore than it prohibits O'Reilly -- a for profit corporation -- from publishing flicker-hosted images on their sites. In our case, a non-Sun employee creates a poster with cc-licensed images and uploads it. We post it on our site using flickr's own system that they encourage and I do in my blog all the time. Others do the same. It spreads. If someone wants to make a print of it, go for it. The new image needs to be cc as well, so it should allow this. If Sun prints them and sells them and makes a bundle of cash and starts a new business unit around all this, well maybe that could be a problem. :) Jim Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote On 05/12/06 07:44,: > >>So are you saying that if we use only photos from community members with >>their permission to use them (Jim, Simon, Tim, etc) and are just using >>Flickr as the medium for storing those photos, we're OK? > > > Seems like that would probably be ok since we would have permission from > the photographers. I'm assuming permission trumps the Flickr TOU. But > I'm not a lawyer. > > Bonnie > > >>Sara >> >>Bonnie Corwin wrote: >> >> >>>I like the idea of the poster, but we need to be careful about which >>>photographs we use because photographs are copyrighted material. >>> >>>And from the TOU on Flickr: >>> >>>#7: Flickr is intended for personal use and is not a generic image >>>hosting service. Professional or corporate uses of Flickr are prohibited. >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>>Bonnie >>> >>>Jim Grisanzio wrote On 05/11/06 23:59,: >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>from Flickr, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 >>>>>images leaves a >>>>>gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would be a >>>>>good idea to put >>>>>a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* >>>>>can't legally put >>>>>that logo there, I think. >>>>> >>>>>I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into >>>>>the poster later >>>>>tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then whoever >>>>>wants to put the >>>>>final touches on it can get the source doc (PDF, huge >>>>>20"x30") from me. >>>>> >>>>>-Moazam >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris activities and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to add to the pile. Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, and the user group meeting. >>>> >>>>Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Fri May 12 08:26:56 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:26:56 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44648E0F.2090101@Sun.COM> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44648E0F.2090101@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4464A940.6070802@sun.com> Bonnie Corwin wrote: > My comments about this list are inline below. > > But after reading the thread so far, I'm not sure what we're doing > anymore. Are we voting for 1? 3? More than 3? There seems to have been a couple of threads and sets of suggestions for this. This latest set didn't include some ideas that were floated last week. I put them back in, though. Others have added some nice new ones recently as well. Personally, I don't see any of this as formal voting since there are no specifications. I do see a small consensus forming, though, and I thought that there was a consensus forming last week, too. There's consensus in there somewhere. :) > And are we just voting for this original list or all the additions that > have been added through conversation? > > Perhaps we need a final list, a number to vote for, and a deadline? Yes. I agree. We probably have enough obvious ones to choose from, too. Jim From webmink at sun.com Fri May 12 08:34:00 2006 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:34:00 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <09839267-E1BD-450A-ABAD-DEC5FB6D236F@sun.com> I believe we will be OK using the images if their individual licenses permit it. Photos would need to be licensed under Creative Commons and allow derivative works. We'd need to get legal advice as whether we can use those licensed for "non-commercial" use are OK; an interesting test of whether an open source community is considered "non-commercial" :-) S. On May 12, 2006, at 14:37, Bonnie Corwin wrote: > I like the idea of the poster, but we need to be careful about which > photographs we use because photographs are copyrighted material. > > And from the TOU on Flickr: > > #7: Flickr is intended for personal use and is not a generic image > hosting service. Professional or corporate uses of Flickr are > prohibited. > > Thanks. > > Bonnie > > Jim Grisanzio wrote On 05/11/06 23:59,: >>> Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos >>> from Flickr, >>> but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 >>> images leaves a >>> gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would be a >>> good idea to put >>> a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* >>> can't legally put >>> that logo there, I think. >>> >>> I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into >>> the poster later >>> tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then whoever >>> wants to put the >>> final touches on it can get the source doc (PDF, huge >>> 20"x30") from me. >>> >>> -Moazam >> >> >> >> I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris activities >> and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to add to the >> pile. Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, and the user >> group meeting. >> >> Jim >> >> >> This message posted from opensolaris.org >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri May 12 09:06:44 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:06:44 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> Message-ID: <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> Thanks for your time this morning. Below is a summary of our call and who was in attendance. There were some beeps that I didn't get names for, so I apologize if you were on, but I don't list your name. - Sara Dornsife - Martin Man - Patrick Finch - Jim Grisanzio - Eric Boutilier - Terri Molini - Steve Lau - Lisa Week - Karyn Ritter - Laura Ramsey - Moazam Raja - Simon Phipps Discussions: - Need to finalize banner ads - Moazam posted banner ad voting page on his site (http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll ) - SXCR takes up to 5 CDs and requires a printed license. If we are going to send them out as part of our activities around launch, we need to use DVDs. We will be limited in what we can send out based on budget. Nexenta, for example, fits on a single CD. - We didn't get to the user group ideas or field communications. Comments are very welcome in email. - Media outreach ideas need to get to Terri Molini very quickly - terri.molini at sun.com - People's Choice Awards - Form a committee? - Present an award? - Give the anniversary gift away to anyone who nominates someone for the award? - What are the criteria - How many awards should we have? - Should Sun employees be eligible? This is something that we need to determine quickly so that we can get the committee in place and start to figure out how to do it if we want to. Action Items: Sara - Check on CD order to see if we can do both CDs and DVDs Sara - Post a question on discuss for how to distribute anniversary gifts (UG?) Sara - Talk to Dan Price about owning engineering blogs for anniversary Tim - Reorganize and re-link content on UG to be easier to find and access All - Media ideas to Terri We will not have a meeting on Thursday because many people will be at JavaOne. Please respond to this email with comments on above (or below) in the meantime. Thanks, Sara Sara Dornsife wrote: > Thursdays > 7am PT > > Dial-in > 866-545-5198 > 865 521-8904 (int'l) > 558-7579 (participant code) > > I've included everyone on this list that responded in any way to any > of the anniversary emails that went around. I hope people will be able > to attend and participate in the planning and activities. > > Agenda: > - Introductions (quickly) > - Review and discussion of list of activities (attached in StarOffice > - let me know if that doesn't work for you, it's also below but may > look awful) in order to fill out tables. > - Prioritize and other ideas > - Next steps > > The Community > > For the one year anniversary we would like a celebration for those > that have participated and collaborated with each other to build a > successful open source community. > > As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the OpenSolaris > user groups a package. The package will consist of a specially > designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and window clings. > > In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up to > update and add content to the site. As a group we are working on > banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning publicly for the > anniversary. > > > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > CD/DVD > > > > Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary > > > > June 14^th > > > > - screen printed CDs > > > > > Awards > > > > > > * > > code contributions > > * > > documentation contributions > > * > > most innovative work with OpenSolaris source > > * > > something with the distributions > > * > > mail list activity -- most posts > > * > > best ideas > > * > > best flames (ok, probably not) > > * > > most fixes proposed > > * > > most bugs found > > * > > most blogs > > * > > Other ideas? > > > > > > > Up for discussion > > - Needs a name > > > > Jim > > Wall Paper > > > > #1 wall paper for community members to download > > > > > > > > > > > Blogs > > > > Anniversary blogs from community members > > > > > > > > > > > T-shirts > > > > Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site > > > > > > > > > > Sara > > User Group webcast > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura > > User Group gifts > > > > t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user group > > > > > > > > > > Laura > > Install Guides > > > > Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers get a > quicker start > > > > > > > > > > > Website updates > > > > - New graphic on home page > > - Recognition Clouds? > > - Awards > > - Updates to mktg materials > > > > > > > - Evangelist card and CD art posted > > > > > > Sun Field > > We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open source > focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some questions/docs > that we could create for the field and some sample answers that I made up. > > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Knowledge survey > > > > Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open source, > relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will get something > (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris embassador? Win a tshirt? > > > > 07/01/06 > > > > New idea > > > > > New materials? > > > > Listed below > > > > > > > New Idea > > > > > > > * > > Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open > source mean to our customers? > > o > > The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our > customers can gain the benefits of source and engineering > access, lower cost of entry, customization, and community. > > * > > How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and > differences? > > o > > Source code versus binaries. > > o > > Tested vs untested. > > o > > Sun supported vs community supported. > > o > > Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is > more "advanced" than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. > > * > > Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? Why > is it good for our customers? > > o > > Brief description of benefits of CDDL. > > * > > What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about when > it comes to OpenSolaris? > > o > > Community size and successes > > o > > distributions > > o > > license > > o > > opensolaris.org is where it's all at > > o > > CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) > > o > > how to contribute/participate and why > > * > > Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial stuff > and vice versa? > > * > > Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? > > o > > Free and full access to the code > > o > > Access to the community > > o > > Access to more Sun engineers through the community > > o > > Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ > were all released through OpenSolaris first and > communities exist around these right now on opensolaris.org > > o > > That we are not expecting them to certify their > applications to OpenSolaris (there is no "product" > associated, just code and community), they should maintain > compatibility with the shipping version of Solaris > > o > > The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over 4.5 > million based on our download numbers > > * > > Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales person's > perspective. > > o > > Strict ROI chart. > > * > > Highlight the things coming out of the community that are > helping our "commercial" customers? > > o > > Bug fixes > > o > > Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) > > o > > community members > > * > > Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling > the community -- the reverse. > > o > > Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. ZFS, > BrandZ. > > > > Media Outreach > There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the distributions. > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason > > > > Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris because > it is now open sourced > > > > Wk 4/24 > > > > > > > Laura > > Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to press, > analysts, and Sun execs > > > > A snapshot of community statistics > > > > 06/01/06 > > > > > > > Patrick > > Contributed Articles > > > > Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their behalf? > > > > > > > > > > > > Other promotional opportunities > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Sun.com banner ads > > > > Proposed to mixed reviews > > C-O-D-E > > OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word > > Could go with: > > Innovation Happens Everywhere > > OpenSolaris > > > > > > > Need ideas -- has gone out to community for comment. > > > > Sara > > BigAdmin newsletter > > > > > > > Publication data 6/21/06 > > > > Content deadline 6/6 > > > > > Solaris Developer Newsletter > > > > Community contributed article? > > > > Publication date 6/14/06 > > > > Content deadline 6/6 > > > > > Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column for June > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There were some beeps that I didn't get names for, so I > apologize if you were on, but I don't list your name. > > - Sara Dornsife > - Martin Man > - Patrick Finch > - Jim Grisanzio > - Eric Boutilier > - Terri Molini > - Steve Lau > - Lisa Week > - Karyn Ritter > - Laura Ramsey > - Moazam Raja > - Simon Phipps > calling to the states to participate is a bit prohibitive for me and I was told there was a phone number available for those of us living in Argentina once the meeting had already started, popping in late would have slowed you down and my spoken english is worse than my written english which is a lot to say Discussions: > - Need to finalize banner ads - Moazam posted banner ad voting page on his > site (http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll ) > - SXCR takes up to 5 CDs and requires a printed license. If we are going > to send them out as part of our activities around launch, we need to use > DVDs. We will be limited in what we can send out based on budget. Nexenta, > for example, fits on a single CD. > That was one of my concerns when i first proposed it and that's why i asked about the "band of brotehrs" DVD since it was already being distributed and I assumed all the patent issues had been solved - We didn't get to the user group ideas or field communications. Comments > are very welcome in email. > - Media outreach ideas need to get to Terri Molini very quickly - > terri.molini at sun.com > > - People's Choice Awards > - Form a committee? > perhaps we could let the community vote in the web page the week before the annyversary? - Present an award? > probably, we could add a banner with his/her name in osol.org too - Give the anniversary gift away to anyone who nominates someone for the > award? > - What are the criteria > *code and doc contributions *evangelization *bug reporting *solaris user group participation > - How many awards should we have? > what's the budget? ;) - Should Sun employees be eligible? > yes, they should, not doing so would imply that Sun's employees are somewhat 2nd class citizens of our OpenSolaris community which shouldn't happen in a community of peers. This is something that we need to determine quickly so that we can get the > committee in place and start to figure out how to do it if we want to. > > Action Items: > Sara - Check on CD order to see if we can do both CDs and DVDs > Sara - Post a question on discuss for how to distribute anniversary gifts > (UG?) > Sara - Talk to Dan Price about owning engineering blogs for anniversary > Tim - Reorganize and re-link content on UG to be easier to find and access > All - Media ideas to Terri > > We will not have a meeting on Thursday because many people will be at > JavaOne. Please respond to this email with comments on above (or below) in > the meantime. > > Thanks, > Sara > nacho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Need final though. > > - People's Choice Awards > > > - Give the anniversary gift away to anyone who nominates > someone for the award? > > - What are the criteria > > > *code and doc contributions > *evangelization > *bug reporting > *solaris user group participation > > > - How many awards should we have? > > > what's the budget? ;) If we send out a package to anyone who nominates someone, we could do maybe 200 (now that I've done more math) since they will be going worldwide and some could have considerable shipping costs. I think it would be really great if each nomination came with a description of why they are nominating that person. Then we could do something online for the winners that won't cost us any cash. > > - Should Sun employees be eligible? > > > yes, they should, not doing so would imply that Sun's employees are > somewhat 2nd class citizens of our OpenSolaris community which > shouldn't happen in a community of peers. I agree wholeheartedly, not because I work for Sun, but because I believe we are all one big happy community - sappy as that may sound. > > > > nacho We won't be meeting next week, but we will the week after. Please call in if you can. Your English is far better than my Spanish, we'll manage somehow. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moazam at unixville.com Fri May 12 11:02:37 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:02:37 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <09839267-E1BD-450A-ABAD-DEC5FB6D236F@sun.com> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> <09839267-E1BD-450A-ABAD-DEC5FB6D236F@sun.com> Message-ID: <39FBC88C-CBE1-4F6F-BE41-3A13EA71721B@unixville.com> I doubt there will be much of a legal issue for a couple of reasons, 1.) The poster is not being put together by Sun or any Sun employee. 2.) The poster is not being sold by anyone. People are free to download it from Flickr or print it via the Flickr printing service (money goes to Flickr..). 3.) I'll probably contact the individuals whose photos I use and get an 'OK' from them. -Moazam On May 12, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > I believe we will be OK using the images if their individual > licenses permit it. Photos would need to be licensed under > Creative Commons and allow derivative works. We'd need to get legal > advice as whether we can use those licensed for "non-commercial" > use are OK; an interesting test of whether an open source community > is considered "non-commercial" :-) > > S. > > On May 12, 2006, at 14:37, Bonnie Corwin wrote: > >> I like the idea of the poster, but we need to be careful about which >> photographs we use because photographs are copyrighted material. >> >> And from the TOU on Flickr: >> >> #7: Flickr is intended for personal use and is not a generic image >> hosting service. Professional or corporate uses of Flickr are >> prohibited. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Bonnie From venky.tv at sun.com Fri May 12 20:31:15 2006 From: venky.tv at sun.com (Venky) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:01:15 +0530 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> > - SXCR takes up to 5 CDs and requires a printed license. If we are going > to send them out as part of our activities around launch, we need to use > DVDs. We will be limited in what we can send out based on budget. > Nexenta, for example, fits on a single CD. It might be good to publish the CD/DVD ISO images and the cover art so that individual user groups can burn and distribute the media... if budget is a concern, that is. Venky. From stevel at sun.com Fri May 12 21:12:31 2006 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:12:31 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> Message-ID: <44655CAF.1010506@sun.com> Venky wrote: >>- SXCR takes up to 5 CDs and requires a printed license. If we are going >>to send them out as part of our activities around launch, we need to use >>DVDs. We will be limited in what we can send out based on budget. >>Nexenta, for example, fits on a single CD. > > > It might be good to publish the CD/DVD ISO images and the cover > art so that individual user groups can burn and distribute the > media... if budget is a concern, that is. > > Venky. In all our infinite wisdom, Sun has seen fit to not allow redistribution of SXCR. cheers, steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From venky.tv at sun.com Fri May 12 21:45:17 2006 From: venky.tv at sun.com (Venky) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 10:15:17 +0530 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <44655CAF.1010506@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> <44655CAF.1010506@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060513044516.GA20083@india.sun.com> > >It might be good to publish the CD/DVD ISO images and the cover > >art so that individual user groups can burn and distribute the > >media... if budget is a concern, that is. > > > >Venky. > > In all our infinite wisdom, Sun has seen fit to not allow redistribution > of SXCR. I know, though I don't realise why! I'm already having a lot of trouble with this in India because bandwidth is scarce and it is just not possible for most people to download 5 CD images. I was talking about the Band of Brothers DVD which should be redistributable. Venky. From stevel at sun.com Fri May 12 21:47:28 2006 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:47:28 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <20060513044516.GA20083@india.sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> <44655CAF.1010506@sun.com> <20060513044516.GA20083@india.sun.com> Message-ID: <446564E0.2080505@sun.com> Venky wrote: >>>It might be good to publish the CD/DVD ISO images and the cover >>>art so that individual user groups can burn and distribute the >>>media... if budget is a concern, that is. >>> >>>Venky. >> >>In all our infinite wisdom, Sun has seen fit to not allow redistribution >>of SXCR. > > > I know, though I don't realise why! I'm already having a lot of > trouble with this in India because bandwidth is scarce and it is > just not possible for most people to download 5 CD images. Yeah, it's a serious flaw (IMHO).... I heard similar complaints from people in Brasil as well. > I was talking about the Band of Brothers DVD which should be > redistributable. Ah, my mistake. Yes, the BoB DVD should be redistributable - but I've not actually seen an ISO for it, so I don't know if it's done yet. cheers, steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From darkjoker at gmail.com Fri May 12 20:36:52 2006 From: darkjoker at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ignacio_Marambio_Cat=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 05:36:52 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <4464CC23.7060801@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> <4464CC23.7060801@sun.com> Message-ID: > If we send out a package to anyone who nominates someone, we could do maybe > 200 (now that I've done more math) since they will be going worldwide and > some could have considerable shipping costs. I think it would be really > great if each nomination came with a description of why they are nominating > that person. Then we could do something online for the winners that won't > cost us any cash. the new version of "solaris internals" would make a very decent gift for the most voted member of the community but I dont know if it will be ready by then or what will happen if the winner is not a programmer > > - Should Sun employees be eligible? > > > yes, they should, not doing so would imply that Sun's employees are > somewhat 2nd class citizens of our OpenSolaris community which shouldn't > happen in a community of peers. > > I agree wholeheartedly, not because I work for Sun, but because I believe > we are all one big happy community - sappy as that may sound. :) > We won't be meeting next week, but we will the week after. Please call in > if you can. Your English is far better than my Spanish, we'll manage > somehow. Thanks :) I will try, is there any chance we could publish the phone number for countries other than the us somewhere? i was not the only one who asked what had happened at the meeting. One more thing, are there any plans to schedule events at universities during the anniversary? I'd really like to see people talking about opensolaris in universities in the states, Brazil, India, China, Argentina (please!?)..., remember, those people will be the developers and sys admins of the future, without them, the game is over nacho From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Sat May 13 07:08:09 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:08:09 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <20060513044516.GA20083@india.sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> <44655CAF.1010506@sun.com> <20060513044516.GA20083@india.sun.com> Message-ID: <4465E849.7060704@sun.com> Venky wrote: >>> It might be good to publish the CD/DVD ISO images and the cover >>> art so that individual user groups can burn and distribute the >>> media... if budget is a concern, that is. >>> >>> Venky. >>> The CD art is posted, so you can use that now http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/mktgdownloads. You can use it with any of the ISOs. >> In all our infinite wisdom, Sun has seen fit to not allow redistribution >> of SXCR. >> > > I know, though I don't realise why! I'm already having a lot of > trouble with this in India because bandwidth is scarce and it is > just not possible for most people to download 5 CD images. > What about any one of the distributions on one CD? I am not familiar with all of the licenses being used on them, but maybe there is one that can be used. > I was talking about the Band of Brothers DVD which should be > redistributable. > Again, we don't have a final band ISO. > Venky. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm already having a lot of >> trouble with this in India because bandwidth is scarce and it is >> just not possible for most people to download 5 CD images. > > > Yeah, it's a serious flaw (IMHO).... I heard similar complaints from > people in Brasil as well. > I wish we (Sun) could just allow redistribution, but it is actually a legal issue. Sun does not have the rights to provide downstream redistribution rights for all of the software within Solaris. Right now we don't have all the details of what is restricted in this way. Hopefully in the future these restrictions will be eliminated. Then it will just be a business decision (which is out of my hands) about what Sun wants to do. - Karyn >> I was talking about the Band of Brothers DVD which should be >> redistributable. > > > Ah, my mistake. Yes, the BoB DVD should be redistributable - but I've > not actually seen an ISO for it, so I don't know if it's done yet. > > cheers, > steve From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sun May 14 19:09:11 2006 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:09:11 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> Message-ID: <4467E2C7.5030209@sun.com> Hey, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > OpenSolaris > Code, Community, Collaboration I thought of one a while back - OpenSolaris OS Defined. A play on words where OS could be 'OpenSolaris' or 'Open Source'. It's probably a little unobvious, but I always thought it was kinda clever. Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sun May 14 19:12:02 2006 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:12:02 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! In-Reply-To: <4467E2C7.5030209@sun.com> References: <44637130.8040708@sun.com> <44637B1A.9080802@sun.com> <4467E2C7.5030209@sun.com> Message-ID: <4467E372.4030902@sun.com> Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> OpenSolaris >> Code, Community, Collaboration > > I thought of one a while back - > > OpenSolaris > OS Defined. > > A play on words where OS could be 'OpenSolaris' or 'Open Source'. It's > probably a little unobvious, but I always thought it was kinda clever. Duh, and 'Operating System' ;) Glynn From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Mon May 15 08:02:29 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:02:29 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <42DDC549-FA91-4987-8EFF-5869E5C878E4@unixville.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> <44655CAF.1010506@sun.com> <42DDC549-FA91-4987-8EFF-5869E5C878E4@unixville.com> Message-ID: <44689805.5030906@Sun.COM> Moazam Raja wrote On 05/13/06 10:32,: > Is it OK for people outside of Sun to redistribute SXCR DVDs? No. There are no redistribution rights for any Solaris Express release. The license is a Right To Use license only. Sun employees can only distribute media if a hardcopy license is included with the media - and that hardcopy license is the same Right To Use license. As Karyn pointed out, this is a legal issue. Sun does not have the right to grant broad redistribution rights for everything in Solaris at this time. Bonnie > > -Moazam > > On May 12, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Stephen Lau wrote: > > >>In all our infinite wisdom, Sun has seen fit to not allow >>redistribution of SXCR. >> >>cheers, >>steve > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From stephen.harpster at sun.com Mon May 15 14:04:38 2006 From: stephen.harpster at sun.com (Stephen Harpster) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:04:38 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] How Do You Use OpenSolaris? Message-ID: <21391919.1147727108228.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> We've been giving lots of talks around the world about OpenSolaris. One question that comes up a lot, which unfortunately I've been unable to answer, is how are people using OpenSolaris? I have a good handle on what universities are doing with it, but what are others doing with it? How are you using it? Thanks for the help! This message posted from opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon May 15 18:24:08 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:24:08 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: Translating the OpenSolaris Book from German into In-Reply-To: <12569384.1146861033903.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <12569384.1146861033903.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <446929B8.4040205@sun.com> Tatjana, I spoke to our TM lawyer last week about the book title. The only thing that I know so far, and I don't know how it effects you in Germany, only in the US, it is required that the Sun TM is not larger than the publisher name. I am still looking into this. Sara Tatjana S Heuser wrote: > English...? > In-Reply-To: <445A7AC7.5060809 at sun.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Approved: t3gPs4 > X-OpenSolaris-URL: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=36754&tstart=0#36754 > > Hi Sara, > > i'll gladly take you up on that offer and mail you with the details.=20 > For the list, I'll include a brief summary here:=20 > > We got a mail stating that the title of the book was violating=20 > Suns Trademark guidelines as published at=20 > http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/ and were asked=20 > to change it. Asking for details, we were told that there=20 > needed to be (one more?) space after "OpenSolaris", and > the name(s?) of the author(s?) should appear more prominent=20 > than the Sun Trademark. The issue was settled when we=20 > promised to send a pdf of the cover to the person finding=20 > offense for prior approval on upcoming reprints. > > -Tatjana > > P.S.: The offending title is "OpenSolaris f=C3=BCr Anwender,=20 > Administratoren und Rechenzentren"=20 > (OpenSolaris for Users, Administrators and Data Centers). > =20 > =20 > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From venky.tv at sun.com Mon May 15 19:25:10 2006 From: venky.tv at sun.com (Venky) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 07:55:10 +0530 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <4465E849.7060704@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> <44655CAF.1010506@sun.com> <20060513044516.GA20083@india.sun.com> <4465E849.7060704@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060516022509.GA24496@india.sun.com> > >>>It might be good to publish the CD/DVD ISO images and the cover > >>>art so that individual user groups can burn and distribute the > >>>media... if budget is a concern, that is. > >>> > >>>Venky. > >>> > The CD art is posted, so you can use that now > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/mktgdownloads. You can > use it with any of the ISOs. Oh, great! Thanks. > >I know, though I don't realise why! I'm already having a lot of > >trouble with this in India because bandwidth is scarce and it is > >just not possible for most people to download 5 CD images. > > > What about any one of the distributions on one CD? I am not familiar > with all of the licenses being used on them, but maybe there is one that > can be used. That should not be a problem, IMO. I can vouch for Belenix. We have been distributing Belenix CDs pretty liberally here! Venky. From schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue May 16 03:25:21 2006 From: schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:25:21 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) In-Reply-To: <11971545.1147206042865.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <11971545.1147206042865.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <4469A891.nailJ7T1X3AWD@burner> Stephen Potter wrote: > That's me! Or I'm the guy playing air guitar during the symphony. ;-) Do you mean the Gnome GUItar? J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 16 07:47:36 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:47:36 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll Message-ID: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> Moazam, Thank you for putting up the web banner ad poll. Everyone else. We have enough votes now to move forward with the first banner. Thank you Dennis! We have had 72 votes so far, 22 (or 31%) have been cast for: OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open, and Free! Open for business, Open for me! Learn more: www.opensolaris.org The 2nd place ad is: DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ.... How many one-year olds can do that? I have concerns about this one. This one isn't specifically enough OpenSolaris to me. It could be for Solaris 10. Let me know what you think. Sara From venkytv at sun.com Mon May 15 19:31:52 2006 From: venkytv at sun.com (Venky) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:01:52 +0530 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <44689805.5030906@Sun.COM> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> <44655CAF.1010506@sun.com> <42DDC549-FA91-4987-8EFF-5869E5C878E4@unixville.com> <44689805.5030906@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <20060516023151.GB24496@india.sun.com> > Sun employees can only distribute media if a hardcopy license is > included with the media - and that hardcopy license is the same Right To > Use license. That's good. So, we *can* ship the media with a hardcopy license. It wouldn't be just a printout of the Right To Use license from the website, right? (Fingers crossed!) Venky. From Alan.Hargreaves at Sun.COM Tue May 16 00:07:41 2006 From: Alan.Hargreaves at Sun.COM (Alan Hargreaves) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:07:41 +1000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris Anniversary activities In-Reply-To: <4457E8CA.3050504@sun.com> References: <4457BD07.4020301@sun.com> <4457CB00.30308@Sun.COM> <4457E8CA.3050504@sun.com> Message-ID: <44697A3D.6080006@Sun.COM> Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>> Meeting times: >>> To accommodate our disparate locations, these are all morning slots. >>> I'll send around dial-in information and agenda when we a time. We'll >>> start meeting next week. >>> >>> Proposed days and times: >>> 9am PT Tuesdays >>> 7am PT Thursdays >>> 9am PT Fridays >>> >> >> >> Thu and Fri work in general. > > Me, too. Thur and Fri is good. Tues is bad. Just remember folks, that Friday in the US is Saturday in may parts of the world. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems I went in the World's Greatest shave for Leukaemia. See http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/tpenta?entry=hair_yesterday_gone_today From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Tue May 16 08:55:51 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:55:51 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> References: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> Message-ID: <4469F607.9010301@Sun.COM> Sara Dornsife wrote On 05/16/06 08:47,: > Moazam, Thank you for putting up the web banner ad poll. > > Everyone else. We have enough votes now to move forward with the first > banner. Thank you Dennis! We have had 72 votes so far, 22 (or 31%) have > been cast for: > > OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open, and Free! > Open for business, Open for me! > Learn more: www.opensolaris.org > > The 2nd place ad is: > DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ.... > How many one-year olds can do that? > > I have concerns about this one. This one isn't specifically enough > OpenSolaris to me. It could be for Solaris 10. I agree - this really isn't about OpenSolaris - it's about Solaris 10 features. Bonnie > > Let me know what you think. > Sara > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From stevel at sun.com Tue May 16 09:50:38 2006 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:50:38 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT In-Reply-To: <20060516023151.GB24496@india.sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <4464B294.3040201@sun.com> <20060513033114.GB12934@india.sun.com> <44655CAF.1010506@sun.com> <42DDC549-FA91-4987-8EFF-5869E5C878E4@unixville.com> <44689805.5030906@Sun.COM> <20060516023151.GB24496@india.sun.com> Message-ID: <20060516165038.GC986910@jurassic.eng.sun.com> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:01:52AM +0530, Venky wrote: > > Sun employees can only distribute media if a hardcopy license is > > included with the media - and that hardcopy license is the same Right To > > Use license. > > That's good. So, we *can* ship the media with a hardcopy > license. It wouldn't be just a printout of the Right To Use > license from the website, right? (Fingers crossed!) Sun employees can, yes. But non-Sun employees can not. cheers, steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue May 16 11:26:55 2006 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:26:55 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> References: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> Message-ID: <446A196F.1080605@sun.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Everyone else. We have enough votes now to move forward with the first > banner. Thank you Dennis! We have had 72 votes so far, 22 (or 31%) have > been cast for: > > OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open, and Free! > Open for business, Open for me! > Learn more: www.opensolaris.org Yes, Congrats, Dennis. I think this is the first non-Sun community generated ad that will live on sun.com, right? Wow. How marketing has changed these days. I just got out of the Jonathan Schwartz keynote here at JavaOne, where he was talking about "the power of the individual" in this new era of open. That seems to fit pretty well with what we are doing around here, eh? Jim From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 16 11:40:43 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:40:43 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <446A196F.1080605@sun.com> References: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> <446A196F.1080605@sun.com> Message-ID: <446A1CAB.2070300@sun.com> I had to make a change based on an unknown requirement - 4 word max for headline. OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Free Sara Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Everyone else. We have enough votes now to move forward with the >> first banner. Thank you Dennis! We have had 72 votes so far, 22 (or >> 31%) have been cast for: >> >> OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open, and Free! >> Open for business, Open for me! >> Learn more: www.opensolaris.org > > Yes, Congrats, Dennis. I think this is the first non-Sun community > generated ad that will live on sun.com, right? Wow. How marketing has > changed these days. I just got out of the Jonathan Schwartz keynote > here at JavaOne, where he was talking about "the power of the > individual" in this new era of open. That seems to fit pretty well > with what we are doing around here, eh? > > Jim From moazam at unixville.com Tue May 16 15:13:52 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:52 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <446A1CAB.2070300@sun.com> References: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> <446A196F.1080605@sun.com> <446A1CAB.2070300@sun.com> Message-ID: <2A4A73EA-F2D2-4BF1-B54F-B66F51827983@unixville.com> Wow, that's a bit odd. I liked the original 5 word headline better but oh well. Sara, would you like for me to change the text on the poll? Also, how long do you want the poll to run for? (doesn't matter, just asking..) -Moazam On May 16, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > I had to make a change based on an unknown requirement - 4 word max > for headline. > > OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Free > > Sara > > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> Everyone else. We have enough votes now to move forward with the >>> first banner. Thank you Dennis! We have had 72 votes so far, 22 >>> (or 31%) have been cast for: >>> >>> OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open, and Free! >>> Open for business, Open for me! >>> Learn more: www.opensolaris.org >> >> Yes, Congrats, Dennis. I think this is the first non-Sun community >> generated ad that will live on sun.com, right? Wow. How marketing >> has changed these days. I just got out of the Jonathan Schwartz >> keynote here at JavaOne, where he was talking about "the power of >> the individual" in this new era of open. That seems to fit pretty >> well with what we are doing around here, eh? >> >> Jim > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 16 15:41:14 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:41:14 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <2A4A73EA-F2D2-4BF1-B54F-B66F51827983@unixville.com> References: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> <446A196F.1080605@sun.com> <446A1CAB.2070300@sun.com> <2A4A73EA-F2D2-4BF1-B54F-B66F51827983@unixville.com> Message-ID: <446A550A.9030209@sun.com> Moazam Raja wrote: > Wow, that's a bit odd. I liked the original 5 word headline better but > oh well. Since we have "open" in the second line, I thought getting it out of the 1st was OK. > > Sara, would you like for me to change the text on the poll? Also, how > long do you want the poll to run for? (doesn't matter, just asking..) If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to change out the options. This one will run for a month, so we'll throw up the next options just before the actual anniversary. > > -Moazam > > On May 16, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> I had to make a change based on an unknown requirement - 4 word max >> for headline. >> >> OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Free >> >> Sara >> >> >> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >>> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> >>>> Everyone else. We have enough votes now to move forward with the >>>> first banner. Thank you Dennis! We have had 72 votes so far, 22 (or >>>> 31%) have been cast for: >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open, and Free! >>>> Open for business, Open for me! >>>> Learn more: www.opensolaris.org >>> >>> Yes, Congrats, Dennis. I think this is the first non-Sun community >>> generated ad that will live on sun.com, right? Wow. How marketing >>> has changed these days. I just got out of the Jonathan Schwartz >>> keynote here at JavaOne, where he was talking about "the power of >>> the individual" in this new era of open. That seems to fit pretty >>> well with what we are doing around here, eh? >>> >>> Jim >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From dclarke at blastwave.org Tue May 16 16:57:30 2006 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <446A550A.9030209@sun.com> References: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> <446A196F.1080605@sun.com> <446A1CAB.2070300@sun.com> <2A4A73EA-F2D2-4BF1-B54F-B66F51827983@unixville.com> <446A550A.9030209@sun.com> Message-ID: <1439.206.172.225.107.1147823850.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > Moazam Raja wrote: >> Wow, that's a bit odd. I liked the original 5 word headline better but >> oh well. > Since we have "open" in the second line, I thought getting it out of the > 1st was OK. I don't think so. I wanted the words in the first line to match the timing of the second line. The amount of time it take to read the first line as well as the rhythm of the syllables matches well with the rhythm and timings of the second line. If you delete a word in either case ( or add a word ) then the timing and rhyme becomes awkward. yep, I really am not just making this up. :-) Dennis From spp at unixsa.net Tue May 16 19:22:27 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:22:27 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 In-Reply-To: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> Message-ID: <18632533.1147832577659.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the OpenSolaris user groups a > package. The package will consist of a specially designed tshirt, stickers, laptop > stickers, and window clings. What defines "members of the OpenSolaris user groups"? What about community members in areas without user groups? -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From spp at unixsa.net Tue May 16 19:32:27 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:32:27 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <23844717.1147833177899.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > the new version of "solaris internals" would make a very decent gift > for the most voted member of the community but I dont know if it will > be ready by then or what will happen if the winner is not a programmer Is there only going to be one winner and one prize? Having multiple winners (one for code, one for community, one for evangelizing, one for documentation, etc) would help show that there are many ways to contribute. The internals book might be nice for code, maybe a really nice custom embroidered polo or long-sleeve shirt (suitable for "professional" wearing) might be nice for evangelizing. -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From spp at unixsa.net Tue May 16 19:35:43 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:35:43 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> Message-ID: <31888137.1147833373719.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > OpenSolaris: Fast, Safe, Open, and Free! > Open for business, Open for me! > Learn more: www.opensolaris.org I think this one got added after I voted, so feel free to add another vote. ;-) > The 2nd place ad is: > DTrace, Zones, SMF, ZFS, BrandZ.... > How many one-year olds can do that? Yeah, this one isn't specific enough. I think the other really good one was the "10m LOC... So many ways to contribute". -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From Martin.Man at Sun.COM Wed May 17 01:32:22 2006 From: Martin.Man at Sun.COM (Martin Man) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:32:22 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Improvements to the user group talks & presentations page ? In-Reply-To: <1147427347.18602.20.camel@haiiro> References: <1147427347.18602.20.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <446ADF96.1000100@sun.com> Hi All [ sorry for late reply ] Tim Foster wrote: > Hey Folks, > > Sara mentioned yesterday that Martin was looking for a nicer, more > cuddly user-groups talks and presentation page.[1] > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/ Actually I didn't know about this page, it looks nice, but it seems that it's missing the latest presentations given by CZOSUG group. As it seems the process of including a presentation at this page is to ping ug-discuss and tim directly to update the page? > Without a wodge of server-side support, allowing you to > search/sort/categorise the content nicely, this could be tricky. (and I > believe getting support from the server folks at the moment is probably > going to be like pulling teeth - they're a tad busy) > > > So, I was thinking about stuff we could do *without* going to the > server. yes, going without the server side changes is always safer :) > Two ideas: (and I'll probably implement both of them, if nobody has any > objections) > > a) Upgrade the table to the modern era - use a bit of Javascript to > allow us to sort the table via columns. Eg. > http://www.frequency-decoder.com/demo/table-sort/ Well, quoting Manu Chao: too much too much AJAX can drive to criminality, :-) > b) Add a column of keywords : this would be a keyword on the main topic > of the talk (and hence sortable by the above) could be nice... > Another idea would be to drop a Google "Search this site" box on the > page, but I'm not sure if favouring one search engine company over the > others is a terribly nice thing to do. it's not a problem as far as google is the only working solution, but I don't think it solves our problem. > Does anyone else have other thoughts - I'll happily be the code monkey > here, so if there's been anything bugging you about that list or you > have ideas on how it could be improved, just let me know. There's no > timescale here, I'll just update it when I get a chance. I'd really like to see something *topic oriented*, instead of *date oriented*. I mean, who is interested when the talk was given and where, it probably makes sense to just distinguiss the topic, and the presenter, so just reorganizing the table into several smaller tables that are topic oriented (alphabetically sorted) could do it for the moment... someting like ZFS: | Introduction to ZFS by John Doe | given XX.YY.ZZ at CZOSUG | | Taking ZFS to limits by Admin Solar | etc... | | ZFS Internals by Kernie Hackie | etc... | Dtrace: | Introduction to Dtrace by John Doe | given XX.YY.ZZ at CZOSUG | | Dtrace Internals by Kernie Hackie | etc... | > cheers, > tim thanx, Martin From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Wed May 17 03:24:22 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:24:22 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Re: Improvements to the user group talks & presentations page ? In-Reply-To: <446ADF96.1000100@sun.com> References: <1147427347.18602.20.camel@haiiro> <446ADF96.1000100@sun.com> Message-ID: <1147861462.16512.6.camel@haiiro> Hey there, On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 10:32 +0200, Martin Man wrote: > > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/ > > Actually I didn't know about this page, it looks nice, but it seems that > it's missing the latest presentations given by CZOSUG group. As it seems > the process of including a presentation at this page is to ping > ug-discuss and tim directly to update the page? Thanks for the ping :-) I'll update it later today. > > Does anyone else have other thoughts - I'll happily be the code monkey > > here, so if there's been anything bugging you about that list or you > > have ideas on how it could be improved, just let me know. There's no > > timescale here, I'll just update it when I get a chance. > > I'd really like to see something *topic oriented*, instead of *date > oriented*. Right, that's what I was hoping to add with the keywords - want to see all DTrace talks ? Just click the sort by keyword column, and scroll down to the DTrace section. > I mean, who is interested when the talk was given and where, it probably > makes sense to just distinguiss the topic, and the presenter, so just > reorganizing the table into several smaller tables that are topic > oriented (alphabetically sorted) could do it for the moment... Personally, I like seeing the activity ordered by date, I'm old-fashioned enough to think that it gives a sense of "what's going on at the moment" in opensolaris-ug-land. But I do also understand that it's useful to be able to jump right to the topic you're interested in. I'd love a server-side component that allows us to filter the list by a topic (like seeing a view of a db table), but that's not going to happen in the short term - there's bigger fish to fry at the moment. cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Wed May 17 04:15:49 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:15:49 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <1439.206.172.225.107.1147823850.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> <446A196F.1080605@sun.com> <446A1CAB.2070300@sun.com> <2A4A73EA-F2D2-4BF1-B54F-B66F51827983@unixville.com> <446A550A.9030209@sun.com> <1439.206.172.225.107.1147823850.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <446B05E5.4010601@sun.com> I think that's what they calling the way the verse scans (or doesn't) Patrick Dennis Clarke wrote: >>Moazam Raja wrote: >> >>>Wow, that's a bit odd. I liked the original 5 word headline better but >>>oh well. >> >>Since we have "open" in the second line, I thought getting it out of the >>1st was OK. > > > I don't think so. > > I wanted the words in the first line to match the timing of the second line. > The amount of time it take to read the first line as well as the rhythm of > the syllables matches well with the rhythm and timings of the second line. > > If you delete a word in either case ( or add a word ) then the timing and > rhyme becomes awkward. > > yep, I really am not just making this up. :-) > > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 17 06:26:47 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:26:47 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 In-Reply-To: <18632533.1147832577659.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <18632533.1147832577659.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <446B2497.4050307@sun.com> Stephen Potter wrote: >> As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the OpenSolaris user groups a >> package. The package will consist of a specially designed tshirt, stickers, laptop >> stickers, and window clings. >> > > What defines "members of the OpenSolaris user groups"? What about community members in areas without user groups? > Yeah, that came up in our meeting last week. In my area, for example, there are also some people have attended the user group meeting, but aren't signed up on the lists yet or anything. We need to figure out how we want to give out gifts. I have an action item to send out a request to the discuss list for input. What do you think. > -spp > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 17 06:33:46 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:33:46 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May In-Reply-To: <23844717.1147833177899.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <23844717.1147833177899.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <446B263A.6090903@sun.com> Stephen Potter wrote: >> the new version of "solaris internals" would make a very decent gift >> for the most voted member of the community but I dont know if it will >> be ready by then or what will happen if the winner is not a programmer >> > > Is there only going to be one winner and one prize? Having multiple winners (one for code, one for community, one for evangelizing, one for documentation, etc) would help show that there are many ways to contribute. The internals book might be nice for code, maybe a really nice custom embroidered polo or long-sleeve shirt (suitable for "professional" wearing) might be nice for evangelizing. > We talked about having multiple winners for many different things and even having people nominate and vote for those. > -spp > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 17 06:39:39 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:39:39 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> Message-ID: <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> I had said that we would skip the meeting this week due to JavaOne, but not all of us are there, so if anyone would like to meet tomorrow morning, I'm available. The two things that need to be discussed are: - Awards (which includes gifts and nominations etc) - Sun newsletter contributions (Michelle Olson has volunteered to help with this) Let me know. Dial-in is below for both US and international. Sara Sara Dornsife wrote: > Thursdays > 7am PT > > Dial-in > 866-545-5198 > 865 521-8904 (int'l) > 558-7579 (participant code) > > I've included everyone on this list that responded in any way to any > of the anniversary emails that went around. I hope people will be able > to attend and participate in the planning and activities. > > Agenda: > - Introductions (quickly) > - Review and discussion of list of activities (attached in StarOffice > - let me know if that doesn't work for you, it's also below but may > look awful) in order to fill out tables. > - Prioritize and other ideas > - Next steps > > The Community > > For the one year anniversary we would like a celebration for those > that have participated and collaborated with each other to build a > successful open source community. > > As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the OpenSolaris > user groups a package. The package will consist of a specially > designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and window clings. > > In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up to > update and add content to the site. As a group we are working on > banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning publicly for the > anniversary. > > > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > CD/DVD > > > > Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary > > > > June 14^th > > > > - screen printed CDs > > > > > Awards > > > > > > * > > code contributions > > * > > documentation contributions > > * > > most innovative work with OpenSolaris source > > * > > something with the distributions > > * > > mail list activity -- most posts > > * > > best ideas > > * > > best flames (ok, probably not) > > * > > most fixes proposed > > * > > most bugs found > > * > > most blogs > > * > > Other ideas? > > > > > > > Up for discussion > > - Needs a name > > > > Jim > > Wall Paper > > > > #1 wall paper for community members to download > > > > > > > > > > > Blogs > > > > Anniversary blogs from community members > > > > > > > > > > > T-shirts > > > > Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site > > > > > > > > > > Sara > > User Group webcast > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura > > User Group gifts > > > > t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user group > > > > > > > > > > Laura > > Install Guides > > > > Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers get a > quicker start > > > > > > > > > > > Website updates > > > > - New graphic on home page > > - Recognition Clouds? > > - Awards > > - Updates to mktg materials > > > > > > > - Evangelist card and CD art posted > > > > > > Sun Field > > We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open source > focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some questions/docs > that we could create for the field and some sample answers that I made up. > > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Knowledge survey > > > > Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open source, > relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will get something > (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris embassador? Win a tshirt? > > > > 07/01/06 > > > > New idea > > > > > New materials? > > > > Listed below > > > > > > > New Idea > > > > > > > * > > Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open > source mean to our customers? > > o > > The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our > customers can gain the benefits of source and engineering > access, lower cost of entry, customization, and community. > > * > > How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and > differences? > > o > > Source code versus binaries. > > o > > Tested vs untested. > > o > > Sun supported vs community supported. > > o > > Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is > more "advanced" than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. > > * > > Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? Why > is it good for our customers? > > o > > Brief description of benefits of CDDL. > > * > > What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about when > it comes to OpenSolaris? > > o > > Community size and successes > > o > > distributions > > o > > license > > o > > opensolaris.org is where it's all at > > o > > CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) > > o > > how to contribute/participate and why > > * > > Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial stuff > and vice versa? > > * > > Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? > > o > > Free and full access to the code > > o > > Access to the community > > o > > Access to more Sun engineers through the community > > o > > Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ > were all released through OpenSolaris first and > communities exist around these right now on opensolaris.org > > o > > That we are not expecting them to certify their > applications to OpenSolaris (there is no "product" > associated, just code and community), they should maintain > compatibility with the shipping version of Solaris > > o > > The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over 4.5 > million based on our download numbers > > * > > Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales person's > perspective. > > o > > Strict ROI chart. > > * > > Highlight the things coming out of the community that are > helping our "commercial" customers? > > o > > Bug fixes > > o > > Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) > > o > > community members > > * > > Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling > the community -- the reverse. > > o > > Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. ZFS, > BrandZ. > > > > Media Outreach > There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the distributions. > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason > > > > Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris because > it is now open sourced > > > > Wk 4/24 > > > > > > > Laura > > Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to press, > analysts, and Sun execs > > > > A snapshot of community statistics > > > > 06/01/06 > > > > > > > Patrick > > Contributed Articles > > > > Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their behalf? > > > > > > > > > > > > Other promotional opportunities > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Sun.com banner ads > > > > Proposed to mixed reviews > > C-O-D-E > > OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word > > Could go with: > > Innovation Happens Everywhere > > OpenSolaris > > > > > > > Need ideas -- has gone out to community for comment. > > > > Sara > > BigAdmin newsletter > > > > > > > Publication data 6/21/06 > > > > Content deadline 6/6 > > > > > Solaris Developer Newsletter > > > > Community contributed article? > > > > Publication date 6/14/06 > > > > Content deadline 6/6 > > > > > Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column for June > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Wed May 17 07:53:10 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:53:10 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <1439.206.172.225.107.1147823850.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> <446A196F.1080605@sun.com> <446A1CAB.2070300@sun.com> <2A4A73EA-F2D2-4BF1-B54F-B66F51827983@unixville.com> <446A550A.9030209@sun.com> <1439.206.172.225.107.1147823850.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <446B38D6.1080407@sun.com> Dennis Clarke wrote: >>Moazam Raja wrote: >> >>>Wow, that's a bit odd. I liked the original 5 word headline better but >>>oh well. >> >>Since we have "open" in the second line, I thought getting it out of the >>1st was OK. > > > I don't think so. > > I wanted the words in the first line to match the timing of the second line. > The amount of time it take to read the first line as well as the rhythm of > the syllables matches well with the rhythm and timings of the second line. > > If you delete a word in either case ( or add a word ) then the timing and > rhyme becomes awkward. I agree with Dennis - changing this to accomodate just four words pretty much does away with the lines/message Dennis wrote. And that will probably be true of most of the options on the poll page. Can we use Dennis' original wording somewhere else in another manner? And see if we can think of any four words that would work as a banner ad? Just wondering. Bonnie > > yep, I really am not just making this up. :-) > > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 17 07:59:25 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:59:25 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <446B38D6.1080407@sun.com> References: <4469E608.60306@sun.com> <446A196F.1080605@sun.com> <446A1CAB.2070300@sun.com> <2A4A73EA-F2D2-4BF1-B54F-B66F51827983@unixville.com> <446A550A.9030209@sun.com> <1439.206.172.225.107.1147823850.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <446B38D6.1080407@sun.com> Message-ID: <446B3A4D.2030307@sun.com> I have asked to be the exception and have a 5 word headline. I think it will work since the 5 words are short. Sara Bonnie Corwin wrote: > Dennis Clarke wrote: >>> Moazam Raja wrote: >>> >>>> Wow, that's a bit odd. I liked the original 5 word headline better but >>>> oh well. >>> >>> Since we have "open" in the second line, I thought getting it out of >>> the >>> 1st was OK. >> >> >> I don't think so. >> >> I wanted the words in the first line to match the timing of the >> second line. >> The amount of time it take to read the first line as well as the >> rhythm of >> the syllables matches well with the rhythm and timings of the second >> line. >> >> If you delete a word in either case ( or add a word ) then the timing >> and >> rhyme becomes awkward. > > I agree with Dennis - changing this to accomodate just four words > pretty much does away with the lines/message Dennis wrote. And that > will probably be true of most of the options on the poll page. > > Can we use Dennis' original wording somewhere else in another manner? > > And see if we can think of any four words that would work as a banner ad? > > Just wondering. > > Bonnie > >> >> yep, I really am not just making this up. :-) >> >> Dennis >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 17 10:38:09 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:38:09 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> Message-ID: <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> Award Idea (based on others' good ideas) - first step is voting on whether we do this - by May 23 - come up with 20 categories - final list by June 1 - open up nominations in those categories - nominations include persons name (and/or login) and why they are being nominated - anyone who submits a nomination (how do we accept nominations?) gets a little gift package from OpenSolaris (listed below) - up to 200 - nominations will end on June 9 - winners in these categories will be named in that category on June 14 - winners will receive the same gift as nominators + a super-special OpenSolaris polo shirt (very limited edition, there will be only 20 made) Gift Package Includes: - #1 T-shirt (artwork will be sent around to see if everyone likes it) on a blue shirt - OpenSolaris stickers (for sticking on stuff) - OpenSolaris laptop sticker (the metalic, small kind) - An OpenSolaris electrostatic cling (for your car window) - A recordable DVD imprinted with OpenSolaris for you to burn your favorite distro Let me know what you think. Sara Sara Dornsife wrote: > I had said that we would skip the meeting this week due to JavaOne, > but not all of us are there, so if anyone would like to meet tomorrow > morning, I'm available. > > The two things that need to be discussed are: > - Awards (which includes gifts and nominations etc) > - Sun newsletter contributions (Michelle Olson has volunteered to help > with this) > > Let me know. Dial-in is below for both US and international. > Sara > > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Thursdays >> 7am PT >> >> Dial-in >> 866-545-5198 >> 865 521-8904 (int'l) >> 558-7579 (participant code) >> >> I've included everyone on this list that responded in any way to any >> of the anniversary emails that went around. I hope people will be >> able to attend and participate in the planning and activities. >> >> Agenda: >> - Introductions (quickly) >> - Review and discussion of list of activities (attached in StarOffice >> - let me know if that doesn't work for you, it's also below but may >> look awful) in order to fill out tables. >> - Prioritize and other ideas >> - Next steps >> >> The Community >> >> For the one year anniversary we would like a celebration for those >> that have participated and collaborated with each other to build a >> successful open source community. >> >> As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the OpenSolaris >> user groups a package. The package will consist of a specially >> designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and window clings. >> >> In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up to >> update and add content to the site. As a group we are working on >> banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning publicly for the >> anniversary. >> >> >> >> Activity >> >> >> >> Description >> >> >> >> StartDate >> >> >> >> Status >> >> >> >> Owner(s) >> >> CD/DVD >> >> >> >> Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary >> >> >> >> June 14^th >> >> >> >> - screen printed CDs >> >> >> >> >> Awards >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> code contributions >> >> * >> >> documentation contributions >> >> * >> >> most innovative work with OpenSolaris source >> >> * >> >> something with the distributions >> >> * >> >> mail list activity -- most posts >> >> * >> >> best ideas >> >> * >> >> best flames (ok, probably not) >> >> * >> >> most fixes proposed >> >> * >> >> most bugs found >> >> * >> >> most blogs >> >> * >> >> Other ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Up for discussion >> >> - Needs a name >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> Wall Paper >> >> >> >> #1 wall paper for community members to download >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Blogs >> >> >> >> Anniversary blogs from community members >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> T-shirts >> >> >> >> Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sara >> >> User Group webcast >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Laura >> >> User Group gifts >> >> >> >> t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user group >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Laura >> >> Install Guides >> >> >> >> Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers get a >> quicker start >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Website updates >> >> >> >> - New graphic on home page >> >> - Recognition Clouds? >> >> - Awards >> >> - Updates to mktg materials >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Evangelist card and CD art posted >> >> >> >> >> >> Sun Field >> >> We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open source >> focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some questions/docs >> that we could create for the field and some sample answers that I >> made up. >> >> >> Activity >> >> >> >> Description >> >> >> >> StartDate >> >> >> >> Status >> >> >> >> Owner(s) >> >> Knowledge survey >> >> >> >> Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open source, >> relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will get something >> (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris embassador? Win a tshirt? >> >> >> >> 07/01/06 >> >> >> >> New idea >> >> >> >> >> New materials? >> >> >> >> Listed below >> >> >> >> >> >> >> New Idea >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open >> source mean to our customers? >> >> o >> >> The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our >> customers can gain the benefits of source and engineering >> access, lower cost of entry, customization, and community. >> >> * >> >> How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and >> differences? >> >> o >> >> Source code versus binaries. >> >> o >> >> Tested vs untested. >> >> o >> >> Sun supported vs community supported. >> >> o >> >> Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is >> more "advanced" than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. >> >> * >> >> Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? Why >> is it good for our customers? >> >> o >> >> Brief description of benefits of CDDL. >> >> * >> >> What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about >> when it comes to OpenSolaris? >> >> o >> >> Community size and successes >> >> o >> >> distributions >> >> o >> >> license >> >> o >> >> opensolaris.org is where it's all at >> >> o >> >> CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) >> >> o >> >> how to contribute/participate and why >> >> * >> >> Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial stuff >> and vice versa? >> >> * >> >> Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? >> >> o >> >> Free and full access to the code >> >> o >> >> Access to the community >> >> o >> >> Access to more Sun engineers through the community >> >> o >> >> Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ >> were all released through OpenSolaris first and >> communities exist around these right now on opensolaris.org >> >> o >> >> That we are not expecting them to certify their >> applications to OpenSolaris (there is no "product" >> associated, just code and community), they should >> maintain compatibility with the shipping version of Solaris >> >> o >> >> The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over 4.5 >> million based on our download numbers >> >> * >> >> Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales >> person's perspective. >> >> o >> >> Strict ROI chart. >> >> * >> >> Highlight the things coming out of the community that are >> helping our "commercial" customers? >> >> o >> >> Bug fixes >> >> o >> >> Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) >> >> o >> >> community members >> >> * >> >> Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling >> the community -- the reverse. >> >> o >> >> Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. ZFS, >> BrandZ. >> >> >> >> Media Outreach >> There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the distributions. >> >> Activity >> >> >> >> Description >> >> >> >> StartDate >> >> >> >> Status >> >> >> >> Owner(s) >> >> Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason >> >> >> >> Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris because >> it is now open sourced >> >> >> >> Wk 4/24 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Laura >> >> Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to press, >> analysts, and Sun execs >> >> >> >> A snapshot of community statistics >> >> >> >> 06/01/06 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Patrick >> >> Contributed Articles >> >> >> >> Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their behalf? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Other promotional opportunities >> >> Activity >> >> >> >> Description >> >> >> >> StartDate >> >> >> >> Status >> >> >> >> Owner(s) >> >> Sun.com banner ads >> >> >> >> Proposed to mixed reviews >> >> C-O-D-E >> >> OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word >> >> Could go with: >> >> Innovation Happens Everywhere >> >> OpenSolaris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Need ideas -- has gone out to community for comment. >> >> >> >> Sara >> >> BigAdmin newsletter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Publication data 6/21/06 >> >> >> >> Content deadline 6/6 >> >> >> >> >> Solaris Developer Newsletter >> >> >> >> Community contributed article? >> >> >> >> Publication date 6/14/06 >> >> >> >> Content deadline 6/6 >> >> >> >> >> Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column for June >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 17 15:32:00 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:32:00 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> Message-ID: <446BA460.2090200@sun.com> Bonnie is the only one who got back to me, besides me :) . I'll dial-in in the morning to talk about this. If no one joins me, I'll just continue to communicate in email. The other thing that I did is to update the banner ad poll. I went through the comments that we got in email and updated the content on the ones people liked, deleted the ones that got no votes and added ones that weren't there. You can send me any more that you'd like to see up there. I'll leave the voting open until June 1 and then the top 2 will be our others. Thanks, Sara Sara Dornsife wrote: > Award Idea (based on others' good ideas) > > - first step is voting on whether we do this - by May 23 > - come up with 20 categories - final list by June 1 > - open up nominations in those categories - nominations include > persons name (and/or login) and why they are being nominated > - anyone who submits a nomination (how do we accept nominations?) gets > a little gift package from OpenSolaris (listed below) - up to 200 > - nominations will end on June 9 > - winners in these categories will be named in that > category on June 14 > - winners will receive the same gift as nominators + a super-special > OpenSolaris polo shirt (very limited edition, there will be only 20 made) > > Gift Package Includes: > - #1 T-shirt (artwork will be sent around to see if everyone likes it) > on a blue shirt > - OpenSolaris stickers (for sticking on stuff) > - OpenSolaris laptop sticker (the metalic, small kind) > - An OpenSolaris electrostatic cling (for your car window) > - A recordable DVD imprinted with OpenSolaris for you to burn your > favorite distro > > Let me know what you think. > Sara > > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> I had said that we would skip the meeting this week due to JavaOne, >> but not all of us are there, so if anyone would like to meet tomorrow >> morning, I'm available. >> >> The two things that need to be discussed are: >> - Awards (which includes gifts and nominations etc) >> - Sun newsletter contributions (Michelle Olson has volunteered to >> help with this) >> >> Let me know. Dial-in is below for both US and international. >> Sara >> >> >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> Thursdays >>> 7am PT >>> >>> Dial-in >>> 866-545-5198 >>> 865 521-8904 (int'l) >>> 558-7579 (participant code) >>> >>> I've included everyone on this list that responded in any way to any >>> of the anniversary emails that went around. I hope people will be >>> able to attend and participate in the planning and activities. >>> >>> Agenda: >>> - Introductions (quickly) >>> - Review and discussion of list of activities (attached in >>> StarOffice - let me know if that doesn't work for you, it's also >>> below but may look awful) in order to fill out tables. >>> - Prioritize and other ideas >>> - Next steps >>> >>> The Community >>> >>> For the one year anniversary we would like a celebration for those >>> that have participated and collaborated with each other to build a >>> successful open source community. >>> >>> As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the OpenSolaris >>> user groups a package. The package will consist of a specially >>> designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and window clings. >>> >>> In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up to >>> update and add content to the site. As a group we are working on >>> banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning publicly for >>> the anniversary. >>> >>> >>> >>> Activity >>> >>> >>> >>> Description >>> >>> >>> >>> StartDate >>> >>> >>> >>> Status >>> >>> >>> >>> Owner(s) >>> >>> CD/DVD >>> >>> >>> >>> Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary >>> >>> >>> >>> June 14^th >>> >>> >>> >>> - screen printed CDs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Awards >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> code contributions >>> >>> * >>> >>> documentation contributions >>> >>> * >>> >>> most innovative work with OpenSolaris source >>> >>> * >>> >>> something with the distributions >>> >>> * >>> >>> mail list activity -- most posts >>> >>> * >>> >>> best ideas >>> >>> * >>> >>> best flames (ok, probably not) >>> >>> * >>> >>> most fixes proposed >>> >>> * >>> >>> most bugs found >>> >>> * >>> >>> most blogs >>> >>> * >>> >>> Other ideas? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Up for discussion >>> >>> - Needs a name >>> >>> >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Wall Paper >>> >>> >>> >>> #1 wall paper for community members to download >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Blogs >>> >>> >>> >>> Anniversary blogs from community members >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> T-shirts >>> >>> >>> >>> Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sara >>> >>> User Group webcast >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Laura >>> >>> User Group gifts >>> >>> >>> >>> t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user group >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Laura >>> >>> Install Guides >>> >>> >>> >>> Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers get >>> a quicker start >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Website updates >>> >>> >>> >>> - New graphic on home page >>> >>> - Recognition Clouds? >>> >>> - Awards >>> >>> - Updates to mktg materials >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Evangelist card and CD art posted >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sun Field >>> >>> We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open source >>> focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some >>> questions/docs that we could create for the field and some sample >>> answers that I made up. >>> >>> >>> Activity >>> >>> >>> >>> Description >>> >>> >>> >>> StartDate >>> >>> >>> >>> Status >>> >>> >>> >>> Owner(s) >>> >>> Knowledge survey >>> >>> >>> >>> Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open source, >>> relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will get something >>> (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris embassador? Win a tshirt? >>> >>> >>> >>> 07/01/06 >>> >>> >>> >>> New idea >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> New materials? >>> >>> >>> >>> Listed below >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> New Idea >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open >>> source mean to our customers? >>> >>> o >>> >>> The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our >>> customers can gain the benefits of source and >>> engineering access, lower cost of entry, customization, >>> and community. >>> >>> * >>> >>> How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and >>> differences? >>> >>> o >>> >>> Source code versus binaries. >>> >>> o >>> >>> Tested vs untested. >>> >>> o >>> >>> Sun supported vs community supported. >>> >>> o >>> >>> Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is >>> more "advanced" than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. >>> >>> * >>> >>> Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? >>> Why is it good for our customers? >>> >>> o >>> >>> Brief description of benefits of CDDL. >>> >>> * >>> >>> What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about >>> when it comes to OpenSolaris? >>> >>> o >>> >>> Community size and successes >>> >>> o >>> >>> distributions >>> >>> o >>> >>> license >>> >>> o >>> >>> opensolaris.org is where it's all at >>> >>> o >>> >>> CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) >>> >>> o >>> >>> how to contribute/participate and why >>> >>> * >>> >>> Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial stuff >>> and vice versa? >>> >>> * >>> >>> Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? >>> >>> o >>> >>> Free and full access to the code >>> >>> o >>> >>> Access to the community >>> >>> o >>> >>> Access to more Sun engineers through the community >>> >>> o >>> >>> Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ >>> were all released through OpenSolaris first and >>> communities exist around these right now on opensolaris.org >>> >>> o >>> >>> That we are not expecting them to certify their >>> applications to OpenSolaris (there is no "product" >>> associated, just code and community), they should >>> maintain compatibility with the shipping version of Solaris >>> >>> o >>> >>> The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over 4.5 >>> million based on our download numbers >>> >>> * >>> >>> Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales >>> person's perspective. >>> >>> o >>> >>> Strict ROI chart. >>> >>> * >>> >>> Highlight the things coming out of the community that are >>> helping our "commercial" customers? >>> >>> o >>> >>> Bug fixes >>> >>> o >>> >>> Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) >>> >>> o >>> >>> community members >>> >>> * >>> >>> Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling >>> the community -- the reverse. >>> >>> o >>> >>> Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. >>> ZFS, BrandZ. >>> >>> >>> >>> Media Outreach >>> There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the distributions. >>> >>> Activity >>> >>> >>> >>> Description >>> >>> >>> >>> StartDate >>> >>> >>> >>> Status >>> >>> >>> >>> Owner(s) >>> >>> Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason >>> >>> >>> >>> Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris because >>> it is now open sourced >>> >>> >>> >>> Wk 4/24 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Laura >>> >>> Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to press, >>> analysts, and Sun execs >>> >>> >>> >>> A snapshot of community statistics >>> >>> >>> >>> 06/01/06 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Patrick >>> >>> Contributed Articles >>> >>> >>> >>> Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their behalf? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Other promotional opportunities >>> >>> Activity >>> >>> >>> >>> Description >>> >>> >>> >>> StartDate >>> >>> >>> >>> Status >>> >>> >>> >>> Owner(s) >>> >>> Sun.com banner ads >>> >>> >>> >>> Proposed to mixed reviews >>> >>> C-O-D-E >>> >>> OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word >>> >>> Could go with: >>> >>> Innovation Happens Everywhere >>> >>> OpenSolaris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Need ideas -- has gone out to community for comment. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sara >>> >>> BigAdmin newsletter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Publication data 6/21/06 >>> >>> >>> >>> Content deadline 6/6 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Solaris Developer Newsletter >>> >>> >>> >>> Community contributed article? >>> >>> >>> >>> Publication date 6/14/06 >>> >>> >>> >>> Content deadline 6/6 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column for June >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 17 15:41:01 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:41:01 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: <446BA460.2090200@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> <446BA460.2090200@sun.com> Message-ID: <446BA67D.9010204@sun.com> Hehehehe New poll URL - http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll2 Sara Dornsife wrote: > Bonnie is the only one who got back to me, besides me :) . I'll > dial-in in the morning to talk about this. If no one joins me, I'll > just continue to communicate in email. > > The other thing that I did is to update the banner ad poll. I went > through the comments that we got in email and updated the content on > the ones people liked, deleted the ones that got no votes and added > ones that weren't there. You can send me any more that you'd like to > see up there. I'll leave the voting open until June 1 and then the top > 2 will be our others. > > Thanks, > Sara > > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Award Idea (based on others' good ideas) >> >> - first step is voting on whether we do this - by May 23 >> - come up with 20 categories - final list by June 1 >> - open up nominations in those categories - nominations include >> persons name (and/or login) and why they are being nominated >> - anyone who submits a nomination (how do we accept nominations?) >> gets a little gift package from OpenSolaris (listed below) - up to 200 >> - nominations will end on June 9 >> - winners in these categories will be named in that >> category on June 14 >> - winners will receive the same gift as nominators + a super-special >> OpenSolaris polo shirt (very limited edition, there will be only 20 made) >> >> Gift Package Includes: >> - #1 T-shirt (artwork will be sent around to see if everyone likes >> it) on a blue shirt >> - OpenSolaris stickers (for sticking on stuff) >> - OpenSolaris laptop sticker (the metalic, small kind) >> - An OpenSolaris electrostatic cling (for your car window) >> - A recordable DVD imprinted with OpenSolaris for you to burn your >> favorite distro >> >> Let me know what you think. >> Sara >> >> >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> I had said that we would skip the meeting this week due to JavaOne, >>> but not all of us are there, so if anyone would like to meet >>> tomorrow morning, I'm available. >>> >>> The two things that need to be discussed are: >>> - Awards (which includes gifts and nominations etc) >>> - Sun newsletter contributions (Michelle Olson has volunteered to >>> help with this) >>> >>> Let me know. Dial-in is below for both US and international. >>> Sara >>> >>> >>> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>>> Thursdays >>>> 7am PT >>>> >>>> Dial-in >>>> 866-545-5198 >>>> 865 521-8904 (int'l) >>>> 558-7579 (participant code) >>>> >>>> I've included everyone on this list that responded in any way to >>>> any of the anniversary emails that went around. I hope people will >>>> be able to attend and participate in the planning and activities. >>>> >>>> Agenda: >>>> - Introductions (quickly) >>>> - Review and discussion of list of activities (attached in >>>> StarOffice - let me know if that doesn't work for you, it's also >>>> below but may look awful) in order to fill out tables. >>>> - Prioritize and other ideas >>>> - Next steps >>>> >>>> The Community >>>> >>>> For the one year anniversary we would like a celebration for those >>>> that have participated and collaborated with each other to build a >>>> successful open source community. >>>> >>>> As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the >>>> OpenSolaris user groups a package. The package will consist of a >>>> specially designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and window >>>> clings. >>>> >>>> In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up to >>>> update and add content to the site. As a group we are working on >>>> banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning publicly for >>>> the anniversary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Activity >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Description >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> StartDate >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Owner(s) >>>> >>>> CD/DVD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> June 14^th >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - screen printed CDs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Awards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> code contributions >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> documentation contributions >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> most innovative work with OpenSolaris source >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> something with the distributions >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> mail list activity -- most posts >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> best ideas >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> best flames (ok, probably not) >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> most fixes proposed >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> most bugs found >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> most blogs >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> Other ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Up for discussion >>>> >>>> - Needs a name >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> Wall Paper >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> #1 wall paper for community members to download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Blogs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anniversary blogs from community members >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> T-shirts >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> User Group webcast >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> User Group gifts >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user group >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> Install Guides >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers get >>>> a quicker start >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Website updates >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - New graphic on home page >>>> >>>> - Recognition Clouds? >>>> >>>> - Awards >>>> >>>> - Updates to mktg materials >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Evangelist card and CD art posted >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sun Field >>>> >>>> We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open >>>> source focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some >>>> questions/docs that we could create for the field and some sample >>>> answers that I made up. >>>> >>>> >>>> Activity >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Description >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> StartDate >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Owner(s) >>>> >>>> Knowledge survey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open source, >>>> relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will get something >>>> (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris embassador? Win a >>>> tshirt? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 07/01/06 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> New idea >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> New materials? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Listed below >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> New Idea >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open >>>> source mean to our customers? >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our >>>> customers can gain the benefits of source and >>>> engineering access, lower cost of entry, customization, >>>> and community. >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and >>>> differences? >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Source code versus binaries. >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Tested vs untested. >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Sun supported vs community supported. >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is >>>> more "advanced" than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? >>>> Why is it good for our customers? >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Brief description of benefits of CDDL. >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about >>>> when it comes to OpenSolaris? >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Community size and successes >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> distributions >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> license >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> opensolaris.org is where it's all at >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> how to contribute/participate and why >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial >>>> stuff and vice versa? >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Free and full access to the code >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Access to the community >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Access to more Sun engineers through the community >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ >>>> were all released through OpenSolaris first and >>>> communities exist around these right now on >>>> opensolaris.org >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> That we are not expecting them to certify their >>>> applications to OpenSolaris (there is no "product" >>>> associated, just code and community), they should >>>> maintain compatibility with the shipping version of >>>> Solaris >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over >>>> 4.5 million based on our download numbers >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales >>>> person's perspective. >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Strict ROI chart. >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> Highlight the things coming out of the community that are >>>> helping our "commercial" customers? >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Bug fixes >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> community members >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling >>>> the community -- the reverse. >>>> >>>> o >>>> >>>> Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. >>>> ZFS, BrandZ. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Media Outreach >>>> There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the >>>> distributions. >>>> >>>> Activity >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Description >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> StartDate >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Owner(s) >>>> >>>> Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris >>>> because it is now open sourced >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wk 4/24 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to press, >>>> analysts, and Sun execs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A snapshot of community statistics >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 06/01/06 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> Contributed Articles >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their behalf? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Other promotional opportunities >>>> >>>> Activity >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Description >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> StartDate >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Owner(s) >>>> >>>> Sun.com banner ads >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Proposed to mixed reviews >>>> >>>> C-O-D-E >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word >>>> >>>> Could go with: >>>> >>>> Innovation Happens Everywhere >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Need ideas -- has gone out to community for comment. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> BigAdmin newsletter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Publication data 6/21/06 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Content deadline 6/6 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Solaris Developer Newsletter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Community contributed article? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Publication date 6/14/06 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Content deadline 6/6 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column for June >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Wed May 17 15:55:54 2006 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:55:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Subject: Overview (rollup) of recent activity on opensolaris-mktg Message-ID: For background on what this is, see: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=24416#24416 http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=25200#25200 ============================= opensolaris-mktg 05/01 - 05/15 ============================= Threads or announcements originated by leaders during the period: - OpenSolaris Anniversary activities - Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) - Open Source Licensing White Paper available - REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT by Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) - Anniversary Web Banner --WEB POLL! - Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! by Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) - JavaOne by benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) - Improvements to the user group talks & presentations page ? by Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) ================================================================ Size of all threads during period: Thread size Topic ----------- ----- 52 OpenSolaris Anniversary activities 24 Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote! 17 REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs May 11 7am PT 15 OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? 10 JavaOne 9 Recognition Idea (was part of anniversary discussion) 5 Upcoming Anniversary Activities for 5 Translating the OpenSolaris Book from German into English...? 5 [Fwd: ZFS code snippet] 4 WebPoll for OpenSolaris Banner Ad--Vote Today! 4 Anniversary Banner Ad--Let's Vote!] 2 Translating the OpenSolaris Book from German into 2 OpenSolaris Branding 1 Updated metrics... 1 Upcoming Anniversary Activities for OpenSolaris User Groups 1 Open Source Licensing White Paper available 1 Improvements to the user group talks & presentations page ? 1 How Do You Use OpenSolaris? 1 Do You Have Articles? 1 bogus 1 Banner Ads on Sun.com 1 Anniversary Web Banner --WEB POLL! ================================================================ Posting activity by person for period: # of posts Ldr By ---------- --- ------------------------------------------------ 37 * sara.dornsife at sun.com (sara dornsife) 18 * laura.ramsey at sun.com (laura ramsey) 17 jim.grisanzio at sun.com (jim grisanzio) 12 moazam at unixville.com (moazam raja) 7 * tim.foster at sun.com (tim foster) 7 dp at eng.sun.com (dan price) 6 dclarke at blastwave.org (dennis clarke) 6 bonnie.corwin at sun.com (bonnie corwin) 5 stevel at sun.com (stephen lau) 4 glynn.foster at sun.com (glynn foster) 4 * benr at cuddletech.com (ben rockwood) 3 webmink at sun.com (simon phipps) 3 venky.tv at sun.com (venky) 3 spp at unixsa.net (stephen potter) 3 rich.teer at rite-group.com (rich teer) 3 * patrick.finch at sun.com (patrick finch) 3 derek.cicero at sun.com (derek cicero) 3 darkjoker at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?ignacio_marambio_cat=e1n?=) 2 theuser at orbit.in-berlin.de (tatjana s heuser) 2 terri.molini at sun.com (terri molini) 2 teresa.giacomini at sun.com (teresa giacomini) 2 martin.man at sun.com (martin man) 1 young.j.song at sun.com (young song) 1 young.j.song at sun.com (young joo song) 1 venkytv at sun.com (venky) 1 stephen.harpster at sun.com (stephen harpster) 1 schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (joerg schilling) 1 sch at eng.sun.com (stephen hahn) 1 matt.ingenthron at sun.com (matt ingenthron) 1 karyn.ritter at sun.com (karyn ritter) 1 gerald_brooke at yahoo.com (gerald) 1 darren.moffat at sun.com (darren j moffat) ================================================================ Discussion URL: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=14 http://opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing From moazam at unixville.com Wed May 17 15:52:51 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:52:51 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: <446BA67D.9010204@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> <446BA460.2090200@sun.com> <446BA67D.9010204@sun.com> Message-ID: <545C4A02-72A1-4077-BB7E-6186B52AB372@unixville.com> I went ahead and linked the new poll to the old poll URL also. That way folks who have the old URL will still be redirected to the new & improved poll. i.e., both http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll2 and http:// www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll should work fine and point to the new poll. -Moazam On May 17, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Hehehehe > New poll URL - http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/bannerpoll2 > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Bonnie is the only one who got back to me, besides me :) . I'll >> dial-in in the morning to talk about this. If no one joins me, >> I'll just continue to communicate in email. >> >> The other thing that I did is to update the banner ad poll. I went >> through the comments that we got in email and updated the content >> on the ones people liked, deleted the ones that got no votes and >> added ones that weren't there. You can send me any more that you'd >> like to see up there. I'll leave the voting open until June 1 and >> then the top 2 will be our others. >> >> Thanks, >> Sara >> >> >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> Award Idea (based on others' good ideas) >>> >>> - first step is voting on whether we do this - by May 23 >>> - come up with 20 categories - final list by June 1 >>> - open up nominations in those categories - nominations include >>> persons name (and/or login) and why they are being nominated >>> - anyone who submits a nomination (how do we accept nominations?) >>> gets a little gift package from OpenSolaris (listed below) - up >>> to 200 >>> - nominations will end on June 9 >>> - winners in these categories will be named in that >>> category on June 14 >>> - winners will receive the same gift as nominators + a super- >>> special OpenSolaris polo shirt (very limited edition, there will >>> be only 20 made) >>> >>> Gift Package Includes: >>> - #1 T-shirt (artwork will be sent around to see if everyone >>> likes it) on a blue shirt >>> - OpenSolaris stickers (for sticking on stuff) >>> - OpenSolaris laptop sticker (the metalic, small kind) >>> - An OpenSolaris electrostatic cling (for your car window) >>> - A recordable DVD imprinted with OpenSolaris for you to burn >>> your favorite distro >>> >>> Let me know what you think. >>> Sara >>> >>> >>> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>>> I had said that we would skip the meeting this week due to >>>> JavaOne, but not all of us are there, so if anyone would like to >>>> meet tomorrow morning, I'm available. >>>> >>>> The two things that need to be discussed are: >>>> - Awards (which includes gifts and nominations etc) >>>> - Sun newsletter contributions (Michelle Olson has volunteered >>>> to help with this) >>>> >>>> Let me know. Dial-in is below for both US and international. >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> >>>> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>>>> Thursdays >>>>> 7am PT >>>>> >>>>> Dial-in >>>>> 866-545-5198 >>>>> 865 521-8904 (int'l) >>>>> 558-7579 (participant code) >>>>> >>>>> I've included everyone on this list that responded in any way >>>>> to any of the anniversary emails that went around. I hope >>>>> people will be able to attend and participate in the planning >>>>> and activities. >>>>> >>>>> Agenda: >>>>> - Introductions (quickly) >>>>> - Review and discussion of list of activities (attached in >>>>> StarOffice - let me know if that doesn't work for you, it's >>>>> also below but may look awful) in order to fill out tables. >>>>> - Prioritize and other ideas >>>>> - Next steps >>>>> The Community >>>>> >>>>> For the one year anniversary we would like a celebration for >>>>> those that have participated and collaborated with each other >>>>> to build a successful open source community. >>>>> >>>>> As an anniversary gift, Sun will give all members of the >>>>> OpenSolaris user groups a package. The package will consist of >>>>> a specially designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and >>>>> window clings. >>>>> >>>>> In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up >>>>> to update and add content to the site. As a group we are >>>>> working on banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning >>>>> publicly for the anniversary. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Activity >>>>> >>>>> Description >>>>> >>>>> StartDate >>>>> >>>>> Status >>>>> >>>>> Owner(s) >>>>> >>>>> CD/DVD >>>>> >>>>> Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary >>>>> >>>>> June 14th >>>>> >>>>> - screen printed CDs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Awards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> code contributions >>>>> documentation contributions >>>>> most innovative work with OpenSolaris source >>>>> something with the distributions >>>>> mail list activity -- most posts >>>>> best ideas >>>>> best flames (ok, probably not) >>>>> most fixes proposed >>>>> most bugs found >>>>> most blogs >>>>> Other ideas? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Up for discussion >>>>> >>>>> - Needs a name >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> Wall Paper >>>>> >>>>> #1 wall paper for community members to download >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Blogs >>>>> >>>>> Anniversary blogs from community members >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> T-shirts >>>>> >>>>> Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sara >>>>> >>>>> User Group webcast >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>> User Group gifts >>>>> >>>>> t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user >>>>> group >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>> Install Guides >>>>> >>>>> Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers >>>>> get a quicker start >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Website updates >>>>> >>>>> - New graphic on home page >>>>> >>>>> - Recognition Clouds? >>>>> >>>>> - Awards >>>>> >>>>> - Updates to mktg materials >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Evangelist card and CD art posted >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sun Field >>>>> >>>>> We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open >>>>> source focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some >>>>> questions/docs that we could create for the field and some >>>>> sample answers that I made up. >>>>> >>>>> Activity >>>>> >>>>> Description >>>>> >>>>> StartDate >>>>> >>>>> Status >>>>> >>>>> Owner(s) >>>>> >>>>> Knowledge survey >>>>> >>>>> Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open >>>>> source, relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will >>>>> get something (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris >>>>> embassador? Win a tshirt? >>>>> >>>>> 07/01/06 >>>>> >>>>> New idea >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> New materials? >>>>> >>>>> Listed below >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> New Idea >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open >>>>> source mean to our customers? >>>>> The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our >>>>> customers can gain the benefits of source and engineering >>>>> access, lower cost of entry, customization, and community. >>>>> How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and >>>>> differences? >>>>> Source code versus binaries. >>>>> Tested vs untested. >>>>> Sun supported vs community supported. >>>>> Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is more >>>>> ?advanced? than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. >>>>> Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? Why >>>>> is it good for our customers? >>>>> Brief description of benefits of CDDL. >>>>> What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about >>>>> when it comes to OpenSolaris? >>>>> Community size and successes >>>>> distributions >>>>> license >>>>> opensolaris.org is where it's all at >>>>> CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) >>>>> how to contribute/participate and why >>>>> Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial stuff >>>>> and vice versa? >>>>> Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? >>>>> Free and full access to the code >>>>> Access to the community >>>>> Access to more Sun engineers through the community >>>>> Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ were all >>>>> released through OpenSolaris first and communities exist around >>>>> these right now on opensolaris.org >>>>> That we are not expecting them to certify their applications to >>>>> OpenSolaris (there is no "product" associated, just code and >>>>> community), they should maintain compatibility with the >>>>> shipping version of Solaris >>>>> The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over 4.5 >>>>> million based on our download numbers >>>>> Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales >>>>> person's perspective. >>>>> Strict ROI chart. >>>>> Highlight the things coming out of the community that are >>>>> helping our "commercial" customers? >>>>> Bug fixes >>>>> Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) >>>>> community members >>>>> Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling >>>>> the community ? the reverse. >>>>> Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. ZFS, BrandZ. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Media Outreach >>>>> There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the >>>>> distributions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Activity >>>>> >>>>> Description >>>>> >>>>> StartDate >>>>> >>>>> Status >>>>> >>>>> Owner(s) >>>>> >>>>> Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason >>>>> >>>>> Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris >>>>> because it is now open sourced >>>>> >>>>> Wk 4/24 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>> Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to >>>>> press, analysts, and Sun execs >>>>> >>>>> A snapshot of community statistics >>>>> >>>>> 06/01/06 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> Contributed Articles >>>>> >>>>> Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their >>>>> behalf? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Other promotional opportunities >>>>> >>>>> Activity >>>>> >>>>> Description >>>>> >>>>> StartDate >>>>> >>>>> Status >>>>> >>>>> Owner(s) >>>>> >>>>> Sun.com banner ads >>>>> >>>>> Proposed to mixed reviews >>>>> >>>>> C-O-D-E >>>>> >>>>> OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word >>>>> >>>>> Could go with: >>>>> >>>>> Innovation Happens Everywhere >>>>> >>>>> OpenSolaris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Need ideas ? has gone out to community for comment. >>>>> >>>>> Sara >>>>> >>>>> BigAdmin newsletter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Publication data 6/21/06 >>>>> >>>>> Content deadline 6/6 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Solaris Developer Newsletter >>>>> >>>>> Community contributed article? >>>>> >>>>> Publication date 6/14/06 >>>>> >>>>> Content deadline 6/6 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column >>>>> for June >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laura.ramsey at sun.com Wed May 17 16:48:19 2006 From: laura.ramsey at sun.com (Laura Ramsey) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:48:19 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Congratulation OpenSolaris--CODIE AWARD WINNER for Best Open Source Solution! Message-ID: <446BB643.5050501@sun.com> I'm thrilled to tell the community that we were awarded the SIIA Codie Award for Best Open Source software. Many folks worked late into the evenings during Christmas break to meet with the reporter and reviews editors. Special thanks to Stephen Lau, Karyn Ritter and Stephen Harpster for being on call for interviews! We had such outstanding competition in the category --which makes the accomplishment that much sweeter. So, Well Done! Celebrate! Here's the long list...there will be a press release coming out of SIIA this week as well. http://www.siia.net/codies/2006/winners.asp LKR From rich.teer at rite-group.com Wed May 17 16:14:47 2006 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: <446BA67D.9010204@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> <446BA460.2090200@sun.com> <446BA67D.9010204@sun.com> Message-ID: Hey all, Dunno if it's too late for a new suggestion, but how about: Code, Community, Collaboration. [Pick three.] -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From rich.teer at rite-group.com Wed May 17 16:16:43 2006 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> <446BA460.2090200@sun.com> <446BA67D.9010204@sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Rich Teer wrote: > Hey all, > > Dunno if it's too late for a new suggestion, but how about: > > Code, Community, Collaboration. [Pick three.] Or better: OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration. [Pick three.] -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From darkjoker at gmail.com Wed May 17 17:53:51 2006 From: darkjoker at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ignacio_Marambio_Cat=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:53:51 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> Message-ID: sorry, I've just found a new job and I'm still adjusting, unfortunately that means I will be busy tomorrow, I will still try to participate via mail if that is ok On 5/17/06, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Award Idea (based on others' good ideas) > > - first step is voting on whether we do this - by May 23 > - come up with 20 categories - final list by June 1 > 20 categories? is that a hard limit? is there a reason to impose such thing? i mean, we could award the 20 most voted members of the community, this would also save some work and more importantly, time; the anniversary is right around the corner we dont exactly have a lot to spare - open up nominations in those categories - nominations include persons name > (and/or login) and why they are being nominated > - anyone who submits a nomination (how do we accept nominations?) gets a > little gift package from OpenSolaris (listed below) - up to 200 > that is a really good question, maybe the CAB could accept the nominations? of course, provided they are willing to invest some time reading - nominations will end on June 9 > - winners in these categories will be named in that category > on June 14 > - winners will receive the same gift as nominators + a super-special > OpenSolaris polo shirt (very limited edition, there will be only 20 made) > > Gift Package Includes: > - #1 T-shirt (artwork will be sent around to see if everyone likes it) on > a blue shirt > - OpenSolaris stickers (for sticking on stuff) > - OpenSolaris laptop sticker (the metalic, small kind) > - An OpenSolaris electrostatic cling (for your car window) > - A recordable DVD imprinted with OpenSolaris for you to burn your > favorite distro > I'm ok with it :) nacho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 17 20:00:44 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:00:44 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> <446BA460.2090200@sun.com> <446BA67D.9010204@sun.com> Message-ID: <446BE35C.3090204@sun.com> If you say: "pick any three", I'm with you. :) I'll add it. Sara Rich Teer wrote: > Hey all, > > Dunno if it's too late for a new suggestion, but how about: > > Code, Community, Collaboration. [Pick three.] > > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 17 20:03:26 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:03:26 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> Message-ID: <446BE3FE.6090907@sun.com> Ignacio Marambio Cat?n wrote: > sorry, I've just found a new job and I'm still adjusting, > unfortunately that means I will be busy tomorrow, I will still try to > participate via mail if that is ok Of course. > > On 5/17/06, * Sara Dornsife* > wrote: > > Award Idea (based on others' good ideas) > > - first step is voting on whether we do this - by May 23 > - come up with 20 categories - final list by June 1 > > > 20 categories? is that a hard limit? is there a reason to impose such > thing? i mean, we could award the 20 most voted members of the > community, this would also save some work and more importantly, time; > the anniversary is right around the corner we dont exactly have a lot > to spare Not a limit, just a number I made up. > > - open up nominations in those categories - nominations include > persons name (and/or login) and why they are being nominated > - anyone who submits a nomination (how do we accept nominations?) > gets a little gift package from OpenSolaris (listed below) - up to 200 > > > that is a really good question, maybe the CAB could accept the > nominations? of course, provided they are willing to invest some time > reading If they each also got the gift including the polo, perhaps they could be persuaded? :) > > - nominations will end on June 9 > - winners in these categories will be named in that > category on June 14 > - winners will receive the same gift as nominators + a > super-special OpenSolaris polo shirt (very limited edition, there > will be only 20 made) > > Gift Package Includes: > - #1 T-shirt (artwork will be sent around to see if everyone likes > it) on a blue shirt > - OpenSolaris stickers (for sticking on stuff) > - OpenSolaris laptop sticker (the metalic, small kind) > - An OpenSolaris electrostatic cling (for your car window) > - A recordable DVD imprinted with OpenSolaris for you to burn your > favorite distro > > > I'm ok with it :) > > nacho > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theuser at orbit.in-berlin.de Thu May 18 02:04:22 2006 From: theuser at orbit.in-berlin.de (Tatjana S Heuser) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:04:22 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: How Do You Use OpenSolaris? (long, SunRay) In-Reply-To: <21391919.1147727108228.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <8357054.1147943105624.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> I'll restrict this answer to my home use of OpenSolaris. Wait, it's all about SunRay! (And of course it's all on and about OpenSolaris, but that's implicit rather than described. I guess I failed to give the feedback you're looking for, then. Here it is anyway - anyone got some use for SunRay? :) >From a home-user point of view, SunRay turned out to be the absolute No.1 killer application. SunRay. Everywhere, instantly. It's been such a change in the way life flows at home - all of a sudden the computers were no longer the center of activity, binding us into our seats, continuously in the way of social life at home (just a moment, I just need to get this finished...). The change was as dramtatic as it was simple. Life at home shifts to another room - we flip the card out and insert it into the next SunRay there, or pocket it for later use. The toddler decides to have a closer look at all those colorful entwining cables at the desk? No problem, untangle mess and toddler, reconnect,and continue. (Of course "the toddler" did find the server, and the USV and the colorful buttons on another occasion. "The parents" wondered about mysterious early morning reboots for a bit until they found out that they had not found a secret big bug in OpenSolaris) An impromptu hands-on OpenSolaris lab at University? A couple of SunRays, an aged AXmp, a few network and power cables, and it's flying. Setups and reconfiguration are so incredibly painless, we find us changing the number of SunRays at home whenever we feel the need. Join a few into a multihead group? A bedside SunRay? A new book project for three to write? Just spread 3x3 Sunrays around a desk and there's ample screen real estate for each of them. Working with that setup was a world of difference from a "usual" desktop setup: "look at this for a moment?" (flips a token card across the desk) (exchanges cards, examines comments on the text, returns the card, continues his own work with his setup uncluttered by the "nmi") No more print out for quick scanning, or exchange of filenames ("new.dvi" with capital N? - I may not read that - let me fix it - try again) So how do I use OpenSolaris? Everywhere. The first "Solaris" that made it into my home was SunOS 4.0.1, and from then on, I have not had anything else but the occasional Mac Notebook. Wait. My washing machine might be using some other OS. Or then, considering the work that's going into embedded use of OpenSolaris, one day it might use just that. What I'd wish for - affordable, transparent network connectivity "everywhere", so I could replace my notebook with a SunRay, and continue my session wherever I go. --Tatjana This message posted from opensolaris.org From schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu May 18 02:53:56 2006 From: schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:53:56 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> <446BA460.2090200@sun.com> <446BA67D.9010204@sun.com> Message-ID: <446C4434.nailM8F1TT3PC@burner> Rich Teer wrote: > Hey all, > > Dunno if it's too late for a new suggestion, but how about: > > Code, Community, Collaboration. [Pick three.] CCC is Chaos Compuler Club. J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu May 18 08:01:19 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:01:19 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Want OpenSolaris anniversary May 18 7am PT? In-Reply-To: References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <446B279B.4050107@sun.com> <446B5F81.9060901@sun.com> <446BA460.2090200@sun.com> <446BA67D.9010204@sun.com> Message-ID: <446C8C3F.1000200@sun.com> Posted Rich Teer wrote: > On Wed, 17 May 2006, Rich Teer wrote: > > >> Hey all, >> >> Dunno if it's too late for a new suggestion, but how about: >> >> Code, Community, Collaboration. [Pick three.] >> > > Or better: > > OpenSolaris: Code, Community, Collaboration. 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Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich From spp at unixsa.net Mon May 22 08:41:01 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:41:01 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Improvements to the user group talks & presentations In-Reply-To: <1147427347.18602.20.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <13819643.1148312491918.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > a) Upgrade the table to the modern era - use a bit of > Javascript to > allow us to sort the table via columns. Eg. > http://www.frequency-decoder.com/demo/table-sort/ I'm not a huge fan of too much javascript code. I don't see a huge amount of value to sort-by-date or sort-by-location for this stuff, but I know that having sort-by-topic would have been really useful to me when I was planning my own presentations. > b) Add a column of keywords : this would be a keyword > on the main topic > of the talk (and hence sortable by the above) If you are going to go sortable, this is an obvious need. Much more useful would be some way for people to add links to their own presentations. I gave an Intro to OSol presentation to a local LUG a couple of weeks ago and would like for it to be linked. Remembering to send mail to ug-discuss (since what I did was part of an OSol UG), and prodding people to do it isn't really the best way. > > Another idea would be to drop a Google "Search this > site" box on the page, but I'm not sure if favouring one > search engine company over the others is a terribly nice > thing to do. There's already a search capability on the site overall, can't it be extended to be more localized? > so if there's been anything bugging you about > that list or you have ideas on how it could be > improved, just let me know. One little annoyance is that it is currently sorted by date, oldest first. I'd rather see it sorted newest first. It's easier to scan to see what has been added and it is less disconcerting that going from 06-01, 06-02, 06-03, ..., 05-01, 05-02.... -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From spp at unixsa.net Mon May 22 08:46:18 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:46:18 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Banner Ad Poll In-Reply-To: <446A550A.9030209@sun.com> Message-ID: <21741526.1148312808771.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > Since we have "open" in the second line, I thought > getting it out of the 1st was OK. To me, the Open is the more important part; I'd rather see "fast" dropped: OpenSolaris: Open, Safe, Free Of course, the product already is "OpenSolaris", so maybe the duplication of Open isn't so important; but I *think* it is. -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Mon May 22 08:58:16 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:58:16 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Improvements to the user group talks & presentations In-Reply-To: <13819643.1148312491918.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> References: <13819643.1148312491918.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> Message-ID: <1148313496.8253.140.camel@haiiro> Hey Stephen, My fault - I should've put -mktg on the Cc: list to the last announcement on Saturday. ------------------- From: Tim Foster To: ug-discuss at opensolaris.org Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: Improvements to the user group talks & presentations Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (19:00 IST) Hey all, Okay, I've got a demo of the new page at http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/demo-talks-and-presentations/ - let me know if you like this version, and if so, I'll replace the main talks and presentations page with this. All feedback welcome! cheers, tim ------------------------------ On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 08:41 -0700, Stephen Potter wrote: > > a) Upgrade the table to the modern era - use a bit of > > Javascript to > > allow us to sort the table via columns. Eg. > > http://www.frequency-decoder.com/demo/table-sort/ > > I'm not a huge fan of too much javascript code. I know what you mean, hopefully this isn't too obtrusive ? > I don't see a huge amount of value to sort-by-date or > sort-by-location for this stuff, but I know that having sort-by-topic > would have been really useful to me when I was planning my own > presentations. "Show me all the stuff that's been going on in the SVOSUG meetings ?" "What presentations happened at the beginning of 2005 ?" > Much more useful would be some way for people to add links to their > own presentations. I gave an Intro to OSol presentation to a local > LUG a couple of weeks ago and would like for it to be linked. What's the url, I'll happily add it.. (though I know that's not your point) > Remembering to send mail to ug-discuss (since what I did was part of > an OSol UG), and prodding people to do it isn't really the best way. To an extent, I agree - and indeed a wiki would be the solution for people to add their own links. However, then you might lose a little of the extra quality control that going through a single editor (or shared set of editors) could provide. I've had people ask me to put up stuff in the past, but where they don't actually give me any content, which results in my sending a polite mail back asking for pointers to slides, mp3s etc. It's a fine line, and I do understand arguments both ways. If anyone wants to lend a hand putting this page together, I'm all ears. Perhaps people would like to take it in turns to update this page ? > There's already a search capability on the site overall, can't it be > extended to be more localized? Absolutely! It's a simple matter of programming. ;-) > > so if there's been anything bugging you about > > that list or you have ideas on how it could be > > improved, just let me know. > > One little annoyance is that it is currently sorted by date, oldest > first. I'd rather see it sorted newest first. It's easier to scan to > see what has been added and it is less disconcerting that going from > 06-01, 06-02, 06-03, ..., 05-01, 05-02.... Yep, the sort-by columns should have sorted that one out. Thanks for the feedback - it's nice to know that people care! cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From spp at unixsa.net Mon May 22 09:03:16 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:03:16 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: REMINDER: OpenSolaris Anniversary meeting Thurs In-Reply-To: <446B2497.4050307@sun.com> Message-ID: <1170871.1148313826408.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > Yeah, that came up in our meeting last week. In my > area, for example, there are also some people have > attended the user group meeting, but aren't signed up > on the lists yet or anything. We need to figure out > how we want to give out gifts. I have an action item > to send out a request to the discuss list for input. > What do you think. I think there has to be a way to identify the people, and the best form of identification we have right now is website membership. How many people are affiliated with at least one community, UG, or project or signed up on one of the mailing lists? Hmm.. I'm guessing that number is probably going to get pretty large because I'd guess there are probably a lot of mailing list lurkers. -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From spp at unixsa.net Mon May 22 11:35:10 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:35:10 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: Improvements to the user group talks & In-Reply-To: <1148313496.8253.140.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <3193384.1148322940539.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> > > I'm not a huge fan of too much javascript code. > > I know what you mean, hopefully this isn't too > obtrusive ? No, it's not obtrusive. It works. Although, I'm not sure exactly how sort-by-archive should sort. I see video floats to the top, but there doesn't seem to be enough standardization to make that sort work well. > "Show me all the stuff that's been going on in the > SVOSUG meetings ?" I would expect to look at the SVOSUG page to find out what has been going on at their meetings, not at a list of presentations that were part of a larger presentation library. > "What presentations happened at the beginning of 2005?" This seems of limited value, although it might be interesting to see how presentations have changed over time. In any case, you've got the code on the page, it looks good, I say go for it. > What's the url, I'll happily add it.. (though I know > that's not your point) http://lopsa.org/trackback/297 > To an extent, I agree - and indeed a wiki would be > the solution for people to add their own links. However, > then you might lose a little of the extra quality control > that going through a single editor (or shared set of > editors) could provide. I don't think a Wiki is necessary; just a form where someone could submit the relevant information and then someone (you, or a team of editors) could approve/deny the post. -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon May 22 12:07:50 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:07:50 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris laptop sticker artwork for anniversary In-Reply-To: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> Message-ID: <44720C06.2000608@sun.com> Attached is the laptop sticker which will be part of the gift package for the anniversary. They will be produced on brushed chrome stickers 1"x3/8" with rounded corners and industrial adhesive. Please send me any comments. Like, would you stick this on your laptop? Sara -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The rigid shape of the one looks very jarring on the blue. -spp -- Stephen Potter Director, LOPSA Executive Board "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a disgrace, two useless men are a law firm, and three are a congress." - John Adams From spp at unixsa.net Mon May 22 12:32:37 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris laptop sticker artwork for anniversary In-Reply-To: <44720C06.2000608@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720C06.2000608@sun.com> Message-ID: <43525.159.53.110.141.1148326357.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> > Attached is the laptop sticker which will be part of the gift package > for the anniversary. They will be produced on brushed chrome stickers > 1"x3/8" with rounded corners and industrial adhesive. Any possibility of having these printed on clear? The clear would blend in a little better with the red Ferraris or the more common black laptops. -spp -- Stephen Potter Director, LOPSA Executive Board "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a disgrace, two useless men are a law firm, and three are a congress." - John Adams From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon May 22 12:42:06 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:42:06 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris laptop sticker artwork for anniversary In-Reply-To: <43525.159.53.110.141.1148326357.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720C06.2000608@sun.com> <43525.159.53.110.141.1148326357.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> Message-ID: <4472140E.4030908@sun.com> let me find out. Good idea. Stephen Potter wrote: > > >> Attached is the laptop sticker which will be part of the gift package >> for the anniversary. They will be produced on brushed chrome stickers >> 1"x3/8" with rounded corners and industrial adhesive. >> > > Any possibility of having these printed on clear? The clear would blend > in a little better with the red Ferraris or the more common black laptops. > > -spp > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon May 22 12:56:20 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:56:20 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <60068.159.53.46.144.1148326125.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <60068.159.53.46.144.1148326125.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> Message-ID: <44721764.1090904@sun.com> +1 LKR Stephen Potter wrote: > > > >>Attached is the #1 artwork for the t-shirt and website. There is one on >>blue and one on black. Please let me know what you think of the artwork >>and whether you like it on blue or black. I have found a blue that >>matches the blue in the word mark. >> >> > >Black. The rigid shape of the one looks very jarring on the blue. > >-spp > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Mon May 22 13:04:59 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:04:59 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> Message-ID: <4472196B.8080504@sun.com> Didn't we discuss using UserID names as the background? The thread doesn't seem to have a definitive answer to this approach..except permissions. But if we send an email out to opensolaris discuss and say the first 200 names get on the shirt...the response is consent. Can we reconsider? LKR Sara Dornsife wrote: > Attached is the #1 artwork for the t-shirt and website. There is one > on blue and one on black. Please let me know what you think of the > artwork and whether you like it on blue or black. I have found a blue > that matches the blue in the word mark. > > Thanks, > Sara > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The package will consist of a specially > designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and window clings. > > In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up to > update and add content to the site. As a group we are working on > banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning publicly for the > anniversary. > > > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > CD/DVD > > > > Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary > > > > June 14^th > > > > - screen printed CDs > > > > > Awards > > > > > > * > > code contributions > > * > > documentation contributions > > * > > most innovative work with OpenSolaris source > > * > > something with the distributions > > * > > mail list activity -- most posts > > * > > best ideas > > * > > best flames (ok, probably not) > > * > > most fixes proposed > > * > > most bugs found > > * > > most blogs > > * > > Other ideas? > > > > > > > Up for discussion > > - Needs a name > > > > Jim > > Wall Paper > > > > #1 wall paper for community members to download > > > > > > > > > > > Blogs > > > > Anniversary blogs from community members > > > > > > > > > > > T-shirts > > > > Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site > > > > > > > > > > Sara > > User Group webcast > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura > > User Group gifts > > > > t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user group > > > > > > > > > > Laura > > Install Guides > > > > Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers get a > quicker start > > > > > > > > > > > Website updates > > > > - New graphic on home page > > - Recognition Clouds? > > - Awards > > - Updates to mktg materials > > > > > > > - Evangelist card and CD art posted > > > > > > Sun Field > > We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open source > focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some questions/docs > that we could create for the field and some sample answers that I made up. > > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Knowledge survey > > > > Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open source, > relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will get something > (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris embassador? Win a tshirt? > > > > 07/01/06 > > > > New idea > > > > > New materials? > > > > Listed below > > > > > > > New Idea > > > > > > > * > > Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open > source mean to our customers? > > o > > The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our > customers can gain the benefits of source and engineering > access, lower cost of entry, customization, and community. > > * > > How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and > differences? > > o > > Source code versus binaries. > > o > > Tested vs untested. > > o > > Sun supported vs community supported. > > o > > Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is > more "advanced" than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. > > * > > Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? Why > is it good for our customers? > > o > > Brief description of benefits of CDDL. > > * > > What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about when > it comes to OpenSolaris? > > o > > Community size and successes > > o > > distributions > > o > > license > > o > > opensolaris.org is where it's all at > > o > > CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) > > o > > how to contribute/participate and why > > * > > Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial stuff > and vice versa? > > * > > Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? > > o > > Free and full access to the code > > o > > Access to the community > > o > > Access to more Sun engineers through the community > > o > > Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ > were all released through OpenSolaris first and > communities exist around these right now on opensolaris.org > > o > > That we are not expecting them to certify their > applications to OpenSolaris (there is no "product" > associated, just code and community), they should maintain > compatibility with the shipping version of Solaris > > o > > The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over 4.5 > million based on our download numbers > > * > > Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales person's > perspective. > > o > > Strict ROI chart. > > * > > Highlight the things coming out of the community that are > helping our "commercial" customers? > > o > > Bug fixes > > o > > Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) > > o > > community members > > * > > Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling > the community - the reverse. > > o > > Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. ZFS, > BrandZ. > > > > Media Outreach > There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the distributions. > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason > > > > Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris because > it is now open sourced > > > > Wk 4/24 > > > > > > > Laura > > Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to press, > analysts, and Sun execs > > > > A snapshot of community statistics > > > > 06/01/06 > > > > > > > Patrick > > Contributed Articles > > > > Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their behalf? > > > > > > > > > > > > Other promotional opportunities > > Activity > > > > Description > > > > StartDate > > > > Status > > > > Owner(s) > > Sun.com banner ads > > > > Proposed to mixed reviews > > C-O-D-E > > OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word > > Could go with: > > Innovation Happens Everywhere > > OpenSolaris > > > > > > > Need ideas - has gone out to community for comment. > > > > Sara > > BigAdmin newsletter > > > > > > > Publication data 6/21/06 > > > > Content deadline 6/6 > > > > > Solaris Developer Newsletter > > > > Community contributed article? > > > > Publication date 6/14/06 > > > > Content deadline 6/6 > > > > > Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column for June > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The package will consist of a specially >> designed tshirt, stickers, laptop stickers, and window clings. >> >> In addition to celebratory gifts, the community is stepping up to >> update and add content to the site. As a group we are working on >> banner ads, install guides, CD artwork, and planning publicly for the >> anniversary. >> >> >> >> Activity >> >> >> >> Description >> >> >> >> StartDate >> >> >> >> Status >> >> >> >> Owner(s) >> >> CD/DVD >> >> >> >> Send out CDs to those that request them during the anniversary >> >> >> >> June 14^th >> >> >> >> - screen printed CDs >> >> >> >> >> Awards >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> code contributions >> >> * >> >> documentation contributions >> >> * >> >> most innovative work with OpenSolaris source >> >> * >> >> something with the distributions >> >> * >> >> mail list activity -- most posts >> >> * >> >> best ideas >> >> * >> >> best flames (ok, probably not) >> >> * >> >> most fixes proposed >> >> * >> >> most bugs found >> >> * >> >> most blogs >> >> * >> >> Other ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Up for discussion >> >> - Needs a name >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> Wall Paper >> >> >> >> #1 wall paper for community members to download >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Blogs >> >> >> >> Anniversary blogs from community members >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> T-shirts >> >> >> >> Make #1 tshirt available for sale on Yahoo site >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sara >> >> User Group webcast >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Laura >> >> User Group gifts >> >> >> >> t-shirt, sticker, cling, laptop sticker for everyone in a user group >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Laura >> >> Install Guides >> >> >> >> Create and publish easy-to-use install guides to help newcomers get a >> quicker start >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Website updates >> >> >> >> - New graphic on home page >> >> - Recognition Clouds? >> >> - Awards >> >> - Updates to mktg materials >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Evangelist card and CD art posted >> >> >> >> >> >> Sun Field >> >> We will continue to educate the field on OpenSolaris and open source >> focusing on why it is important to Sun. Below are some questions/docs >> that we could create for the field and some sample answers that I >> made up. >> >> >> Activity >> >> >> >> Description >> >> >> >> StartDate >> >> >> >> Status >> >> >> >> Owner(s) >> >> Knowledge survey >> >> >> >> Do a survey of knowledge of OpenSolaris, benefits of open source, >> relationship to Solaris etc. Those that do well will get something >> (?), maybe they can be known as an OpenSolaris embassador? Win a tshirt? >> >> >> >> 07/01/06 >> >> >> >> New idea >> >> >> >> >> New materials? >> >> >> >> Listed below >> >> >> >> >> >> >> New Idea >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> Why is Sun open sourcing it's whole portfolio? What does open >> source mean to our customers? >> >> o >> >> The source code for Solaris is now open sourced and our >> customers can gain the benefits of source and engineering >> access, lower cost of entry, customization, and community. >> >> * >> >> How are Solaris and OpenSolaris related, similarities and >> differences? >> >> o >> >> Source code versus binaries. >> >> o >> >> Tested vs untested. >> >> o >> >> Sun supported vs community supported. >> >> o >> >> Updates and bug fixes into OpenSolaris first, so it is >> more "advanced" than Solaris. Like ZFS, and BrandZ. >> >> * >> >> Why CDDL is a good thing? Why did Sun choose CDDL over GPL? Why >> is it good for our customers? >> >> o >> >> Brief description of benefits of CDDL. >> >> * >> >> What are the top 5 things a customer should know/care about >> when it comes to OpenSolaris? >> >> o >> >> Community size and successes >> >> o >> >> distributions >> >> o >> >> license >> >> o >> >> opensolaris.org is where it's all at >> >> o >> >> CAB (governance/contributor agreement/charter) >> >> o >> >> how to contribute/participate and why >> >> * >> >> Why would a customer use OpenSolaris over the commercial stuff >> and vice versa? >> >> * >> >> Why should an ISV care about OpenSolaris? >> >> o >> >> Free and full access to the code >> >> o >> >> Access to the community >> >> o >> >> Access to more Sun engineers through the community >> >> o >> >> Advanced access to new features - ZFS, Xen, and BrandZ >> were all released through OpenSolaris first and >> communities exist around these right now on opensolaris.org >> >> o >> >> That we are not expecting them to certify their >> applications to OpenSolaris (there is no "product" >> associated, just code and community), they should >> maintain compatibility with the shipping version of Solaris >> >> o >> >> The potential market size for Solaris 10 is now over 4.5 >> million based on our download numbers >> >> * >> >> Why our model is better than Red Hat/Suse? From a sales >> person's perspective. >> >> o >> >> Strict ROI chart. >> >> * >> >> Highlight the things coming out of the community that are >> helping our "commercial" customers? >> >> o >> >> Bug fixes >> >> o >> >> Advanced access to new features (ZFS, BrandZ) >> >> o >> >> community members >> >> * >> >> Highlight things that are coming out of Sun that are enabling >> the community -- the reverse. >> >> o >> >> Addition of features to opensolaris.org. Free tools. ZFS, >> BrandZ. >> >> >> >> Media Outreach >> There are PR opportunities for Sun, OpenSolaris, and the distributions. >> >> Activity >> >> >> >> Description >> >> >> >> StartDate >> >> >> >> Status >> >> >> >> Owner(s) >> >> Solaris success stories that reflect OpenSolaris as reason >> >> >> >> Find evidence that customers are switching (back) to Solaris because >> it is now open sourced >> >> >> >> Wk 4/24 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Laura >> >> Produce metrics package or single slide for distribution to press, >> analysts, and Sun execs >> >> >> >> A snapshot of community statistics >> >> >> >> 06/01/06 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Patrick >> >> Contributed Articles >> >> >> >> Work with the distributions to get articles placed on their behalf? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Other promotional opportunities >> >> Activity >> >> >> >> Description >> >> >> >> StartDate >> >> >> >> Status >> >> >> >> Owner(s) >> >> Sun.com banner ads >> >> >> >> Proposed to mixed reviews >> >> C-O-D-E >> >> OpenSolaris is a 4-letter word >> >> Could go with: >> >> Innovation Happens Everywhere >> >> OpenSolaris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Need ideas -- has gone out to community for comment. >> >> >> >> Sara >> >> BigAdmin newsletter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Publication data 6/21/06 >> >> >> >> Content deadline 6/6 >> >> >> >> >> Solaris Developer Newsletter >> >> >> >> Community contributed article? >> >> >> >> Publication date 6/14/06 >> >> >> >> Content deadline 6/6 >> >> >> >> >> Inner Circle/Inside Sun newsletter addition to monthly column for June >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See attached ... cheers, tim [ oh, and the lovely bob has just suggested an orange background to the code field, on a black t-shirt, with white "open" and "" text, but it's a bit harder to demo via photoshop without the source file, layers, etc ;-) ] -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: orange.png Type: image/png Size: 453977 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon May 22 13:56:30 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:56:30 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> Message-ID: <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> What kind of an engineer are you? I thought you guys only liked black t-shirts? Sara Tim Foster wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Attached is the #1 artwork for the t-shirt and website. There is one >> on blue and one on black. Please let me know what you think of the >> artwork and whether you like it on blue or black. I have found a blue >> that matches the blue in the word mark. > > Yep, it looks better on black, though just to confuse things further > (I know, sorry) I think it looks better still on orange! See attached ... > > cheers, > tim > > [ oh, and the lovely bob has just suggested an orange background to > the code field, on a black t-shirt, with white "open" and > "" text, but it's a bit harder to demo via photoshop > without the source file, layers, etc ;-) ] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll let the masses decide (oh and try to remember to use the low-temperature wash cycle for all those geeky t-shirts :) -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From spp at unixsa.net Mon May 22 15:30:13 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <5DF43ACA-FD8D-47F8-86DC-0621E7775C7F@Sun.COM> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <4472196B.8080504@sun.com> <5DF43ACA-FD8D-47F8-86DC-0621E7775C7F@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4977.71.74.69.122.1148337013.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> > The idea seemed too controversial to proceed with - I though Dennis > in particular was spot on with his comments. Code is Good. My concern is that by promoting code so much, we turn off the people who might be active in other ways. To paraphrase a perl adage from my days with perl: there's more than one way to contribute. The two biggest problems I see with using usernames is: * too many people approve; how to select whose names get used * may look like just random characters What about community names or project names? -spp -- Stephen Potter Director, LOPSA Executive Board "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a disgrace, two useless men are a law firm, and three are a congress." - John Adams From moazam at unixville.com Mon May 22 21:05:43 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:05:43 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> Message-ID: Personally I like grey or white t-shirts instead of black. Living in CA, wearing black is a sure fire way to get cooked by the Sun (no pun intended). -Moazam On May 22, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > What kind of an engineer are you? I thought you guys only liked > black t-shirts? > Sara From darkjoker at gmail.com Mon May 22 18:15:14 2006 From: darkjoker at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ignacio_Marambio_Cat=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:15:14 -0300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> Message-ID: <44726222.6060906@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sara Dornsife wrote: > What kind of an engineer are you? I thought you guys only liked black > t-shirts? > Sara I like the orange version too, is it too much of a problem to include it as well? :) is there any update about the other things planned for the anniversary? > Tim Foster wrote: >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> Attached is the #1 artwork for the t-shirt and website. There is one >>> on blue and one on black. Please let me know what you think of the >>> artwork and whether you like it on blue or black. I have found a blue >>> that matches the blue in the word mark. >> >> Yep, it looks better on black, though just to confuse things further >> (I know, sorry) I think it looks better still on orange! See attached ... >> >> cheers, >> tim >> >> [ oh, and the lovely bob has just suggested an orange background to >> the code field, on a black t-shirt, with white "open" and >> "" text, but it's a bit harder to demo via photoshop >> without the source file, layers, etc ;-) ] lovely ;) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > nacho -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (SunOS) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEcmIhvOFsGS3So/wRAmnZAJ9RCHzjaloOPXuQAZndde1bULKupQCfVYTT 5HAilGoST9fm9MgUQaqE9d8= =Ll3f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stevel at sun.com Mon May 22 18:17:53 2006 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:17:53 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> Message-ID: <447262C1.9050901@sun.com> Orange gets my vote! Nice job Sara and Tim. Tim Foster wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Attached is the #1 artwork for the t-shirt and website. There is one >> on blue and one on black. Please let me know what you think of the >> artwork and whether you like it on blue or black. I have found a blue >> that matches the blue in the word mark. > > > Yep, it looks better on black, though just to confuse things further (I > know, sorry) I think it looks better still on orange! See attached ... > > cheers, > tim > > [ oh, and the lovely bob has just suggested an orange background to the > code field, on a black t-shirt, with white "open" and "" > text, but it's a bit harder to demo via photoshop without the source > file, layers, etc ;-) ] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 23 08:06:19 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:06:19 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris laptop sticker artwork for anniversary In-Reply-To: <43525.159.53.110.141.1148326357.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720C06.2000608@sun.com> <43525.159.53.110.141.1148326357.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> Message-ID: <447324EB.8030608@sun.com> Stephen Potter wrote: > > >> Attached is the laptop sticker which will be part of the gift package >> for the anniversary. They will be produced on brushed chrome stickers >> 1"x3/8" with rounded corners and industrial adhesive. >> > > Any possibility of having these printed on clear? The clear would blend > in a little better with the red Ferraris or the more common black laptops. > We can do clear, BUT, I actually think that the orange and blue wordmark is going to look pretty bad on a red background. What do you think? > -spp > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 23 08:22:54 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:22:54 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> Message-ID: <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> We have 3 votes for orange, many for black (but we've already done black), none for blue, and one for white. I need to place one order for one color, so we need to decide by Friday May 26. Sara Moazam Raja wrote: > Personally I like grey or white t-shirts instead of black. Living in > CA, wearing black is a sure fire way to get cooked by the Sun (no pun > intended). > > -Moazam > > On May 22, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> What kind of an engineer are you? I thought you guys only liked black >> t-shirts? >> Sara > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM Tue May 23 08:38:02 2006 From: Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:38:02 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> Message-ID: <44732C5A.1000406@Sun.COM> I like blue or white, myself, for something different from black. I couldn't get to the link to see the orange, but orange tends to be a color that a lot of people don't wear. So I wonder about its universal appeal if we're going to send out a lot of them. Just wondering. Bonnie Sara Dornsife wrote On 05/23/06 09:22,: > We have 3 votes for orange, many for black (but we've already done > black), none for blue, and one for white. > > I need to place one order for one color, so we need to decide by Friday > May 26. > Sara > > > > Moazam Raja wrote: > >> Personally I like grey or white t-shirts instead of black. Living in >> CA, wearing black is a sure fire way to get cooked by the Sun (no pun >> intended). >> >> -Moazam >> >> On May 22, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> What kind of an engineer are you? I thought you guys only liked black >>> t-shirts? >>> Sara >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Terri.Molini at Sun.COM Tue May 23 08:45:12 2006 From: Terri.Molini at Sun.COM (Terri Molini) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:45:12 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> Message-ID: <44732E08.2070004@sun.com> I like blue. Sara Dornsife wrote: > We have 3 votes for orange, many for black (but we've already done > black), none for blue, and one for white. > > I need to place one order for one color, so we need to decide by > Friday May 26. > Sara > > > > Moazam Raja wrote: > >> Personally I like grey or white t-shirts instead of black. Living in >> CA, wearing black is a sure fire way to get cooked by the Sun (no pun >> intended). >> >> -Moazam >> >> On May 22, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> What kind of an engineer are you? I thought you guys only liked >>> black t-shirts? >>> Sara >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue May 23 09:08:54 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:08:54 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> Message-ID: <44733396.7030903@sun.com> Black or orange--Black because it's really popular. Orange because it's so cool. You don't see many orange shirts out there! LKR Sara Dornsife wrote: > We have 3 votes for orange, many for black (but we've already done > black), none for blue, and one for white. > > I need to place one order for one color, so we need to decide by > Friday May 26. > Sara > > > > Moazam Raja wrote: > >> Personally I like grey or white t-shirts instead of black. Living in >> CA, wearing black is a sure fire way to get cooked by the Sun (no pun >> intended). >> >> -Moazam >> >> On May 22, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> What kind of an engineer are you? I thought you guys only liked >>> black t-shirts? >>> Sara >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-mktg mailing list >opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 23 09:40:23 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:40:23 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <44733396.7030903@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> <44733396.7030903@sun.com> Message-ID: <44733AF7.9020506@sun.com> My husband has an American Apparel orange heather (they call it Melange) with orange ringer on the collar, it has a graphic by a local artist on it and it is very cool shirt. They are a little more expensive since they don't use sweatshops or child labor....... http://store.americanapparel.net/m434.html#i Sara Laura Ramsey wrote: > > Black or orange--Black because it's really popular. > Orange because it's so cool. You don't see many orange shirts out there! > > LKR > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> We have 3 votes for orange, many for black (but we've already done >> black), none for blue, and one for white. >> >> I need to place one order for one color, so we need to decide by >> Friday May 26. >> Sara >> >> >> >> Moazam Raja wrote: >>> Personally I like grey or white t-shirts instead of black. Living in >>> CA, wearing black is a sure fire way to get cooked by the Sun (no >>> pun intended). >>> >>> -Moazam >>> >>> On May 22, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> >>>> What kind of an engineer are you? I thought you guys only liked >>>> black t-shirts? >>>> Sara >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The trick is to not confuse the two. But orange or bright yellow are nice if you are a naturally loud person anyways. -- Dennis Clarke ps: I have every revision of the loud yellow Lotus Notes sweat shits since 1992 and I wear them all the time. They are real real yellow. From Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM Tue May 23 10:39:45 2006 From: Laura.Ramsey at Sun.COM (Laura Ramsey) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:39:45 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <60798.70.50.142.197.1148404526.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> <44733396.7030903@sun.com> <44733AF7.9020506@sun.com> <60798.70.50.142.197.1148404526.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <447348E1.3010204@sun.com> Then I vote for Orange, naturally! LKR Dennis Clarke wrote: >>My husband has an American Apparel orange heather (they call it Melange) >>with orange ringer on the collar, it has a graphic by a local artist on >>it and it is very cool shirt. They are a little more expensive since >>they don't use sweatshops or child labor....... >> >> > > And I will pay the extra bit of money for those reasons. > > Orange is nice .. real loud and generally used to signal to planes that >you are in a state of emergency or to mark targets for air strikes. The >trick is to not confuse the two. But orange or bright yellow are nice if >you are a naturally loud person anyways. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They will look good on black or white (Apple.... ;-), though. -spp -- Stephen Potter Director, LOPSA Executive Board "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a disgrace, two useless men are a law firm, and three are a congress." - John Adams From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 23 10:59:29 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:59:29 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris laptop sticker artwork for anniversary In-Reply-To: <56174.159.53.110.141.1148405291.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720C06.2000608@sun.com> <43525.159.53.110.141.1148326357.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> <447324EB.8030608@sun.com> <56174.159.53.110.141.1148405291.squirrel@www.unixsa.net> Message-ID: <44734D81.1030209@sun.com> Stephen Potter wrote: > > >> Stephen Potter wrote: >> > > >>> Any possibility of having these printed on clear? 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J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 23 11:25:56 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:25:56 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <44734F6C.nail4QV1QSXIQ@burner> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> <44733396.7030903@sun.com> <44734F6C.nail4QV1QSXIQ@burner> Message-ID: <447353B4.7050103@sun.com> Joerg Schilling wrote: > Laura Ramsey wrote: > > >> Black or orange--Black because it's really popular. >> Orange because it's so cool. You don't see many orange shirts out there! >> > > Isn't orange a problem in Israel this year? > I hope someone from Israel could answer that...... It could be. > J?rg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 23 14:40:42 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:40:42 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <4464A25B.6080909@sun.com> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> <44649129.4060309@sun.com> <446497AE.8090605@Sun.COM> <4464A25B.6080909@sun.com> Message-ID: <4473815A.3010006@sun.com> Moazam, Did you move forward with the creation of the poster using Jim's images from JavaOne? Sara Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Flickr allows you to choose your license. I give my stuff away under > Creative Commons (CC) -- take it, change it, don't make money, > contribute changes back or I come after you with the cops. So, all the > images we use should be under CC or we need the permission of the > photographer for sure. You can clearly see that each image has a > copyright next to it. > > Now, not being an expert in this either, I don't see how #7 below > prohibits us from doing a digital poster anymore than it prohibits > O'Reilly -- a for profit corporation -- from publishing flicker-hosted > images on their sites. In our case, a non-Sun employee creates a > poster with cc-licensed images and uploads it. We post it on our site > using flickr's own system that they encourage and I do in my blog all > the time. Others do the same. It spreads. If someone wants to make a > print of it, go for it. The new image needs to be cc as well, so it > should allow this. If Sun prints them and sells them and makes a > bundle of cash and starts a new business unit around all this, well > maybe that could be a problem. :) > > Jim > > > > > > Bonnie Corwin wrote: > >> Sara Dornsife wrote On 05/12/06 07:44,: >> >>> So are you saying that if we use only photos from community members >>> with >>> their permission to use them (Jim, Simon, Tim, etc) and are just using >>> Flickr as the medium for storing those photos, we're OK? >> >> >> Seems like that would probably be ok since we would have permission from >> the photographers. I'm assuming permission trumps the Flickr TOU. But >> I'm not a lawyer. >> >> Bonnie >> >> >>> Sara >>> >>> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I like the idea of the poster, but we need to be careful about which >>>> photographs we use because photographs are copyrighted material. >>>> >>>> And from the TOU on Flickr: >>>> >>>> #7: Flickr is intended for personal use and is not a generic image >>>> hosting service. Professional or corporate uses of Flickr are >>>> prohibited. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Bonnie >>>> >>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote On 05/11/06 23:59,: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> from Flickr, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 >>>>>> images leaves a gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it would >>>>>> be a >>>>>> good idea to put a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of course, *I* >>>>>> can't legally put that logo there, I think. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into >>>>>> the poster later tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then >>>>>> whoever >>>>>> wants to put the final touches on it can get the source doc >>>>>> (PDF, huge >>>>>> 20"x30") from me. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Moazam >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris activities >>>>> and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to add to the >>>>> pile. Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, and the user >>>>> group meeting. >>>>> >>>>> Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From cyril.plisko at mountall.com Tue May 23 15:35:15 2006 From: cyril.plisko at mountall.com (Cyril Plisko) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:35:15 +0300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <447353B4.7050103@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> <44733396.7030903@sun.com> <44734F6C.nail4QV1QSXIQ@burner> <447353B4.7050103@sun.com> Message-ID: On 5/23/06, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Joerg Schilling wrote: > Laura Ramsey wrote: > > > > Black or orange--Black because it's really popular. > Orange because it's so cool. You don't see many orange shirts out there! He-he :) > > Isn't orange a problem in Israel this year? > > I hope someone from Israel could answer that...... It could be. Well, indeed starting last year orange became a symbolic color for some|many people with very clear ideological platform. And orange T-shirts are very popular among them. Does the choice of orange color for T-shirt bother me ? Not at all. I guess every one would have own opinion on that matter, but I say most prominent colors would be associated with something somewhere in the world... so let's just paint the Tshirt in orange :) -- Regards, Cyril From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 23 16:01:33 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:01:33 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> <44733396.7030903@sun.com> <44734F6C.nail4QV1QSXIQ@burner> <447353B4.7050103@sun.com> Message-ID: <4473944D.9070408@sun.com> Cyril Plisko wrote: > On 5/23/06, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >> Joerg Schilling wrote: >> Laura Ramsey wrote: >> >> >> >> Black or orange--Black because it's really popular. >> Orange because it's so cool. You don't see many orange shirts out there! > > He-he :) > >> >> Isn't orange a problem in Israel this year? >> >> I hope someone from Israel could answer that...... It could be. > > Well, indeed starting last year orange became a symbolic color for > some|many people with very clear ideological platform. And orange > T-shirts are very popular among them. > > Does the choice of orange color for T-shirt bother me ? Not at all. > I guess every one would have own opinion on that matter, but I say > most prominent colors would be associated with something somewhere > in the world... so let's just paint the Tshirt in orange :) > You are our voice of Israel, so we can put the political concerns to rest..... Now it's just a matter of who likes what. Being a huge fan of orange, I love the idea. We are not able to do more than one, so it's all black or all orange at this point. From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 23 19:00:54 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:00:54 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris t-shirt color poll Message-ID: <4473BE56.8010609@sun.com> Moazam will regret this (and the rest too) eventually, but I created a poll to vote for the color t-shirt we use for the anniversary. http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/tshirt Poll closes on Friday. Sara From moazam at unixville.com Wed May 24 00:53:28 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:53:28 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <4473815A.3010006@sun.com> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> <44649129.4060309@sun.com> <446497AE.8090605@Sun.COM> <4464A25B.6080909@sun.com> <4473815A.3010006@sun.com> Message-ID: <3C7C3BD0-7A93-43CA-96CE-8A1CD7BBCFD5@unixville.com> Sara, this weekend I'll work on it. I'll *try* tomorrow night, but this weekend is more realistic. :) -Moazam On May 23, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Moazam, > Did you move forward with the creation of the poster using Jim's > images from JavaOne? > Sara > > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> Flickr allows you to choose your license. I give my stuff away >> under Creative Commons (CC) -- take it, change it, don't make >> money, contribute changes back or I come after you with the cops. >> So, all the images we use should be under CC or we need the >> permission of the photographer for sure. You can clearly see that >> each image has a copyright next to it. >> >> Now, not being an expert in this either, I don't see how #7 below >> prohibits us from doing a digital poster anymore than it prohibits >> O'Reilly -- a for profit corporation -- from publishing flicker- >> hosted images on their sites. In our case, a non-Sun employee >> creates a poster with cc-licensed images and uploads it. We post >> it on our site using flickr's own system that they encourage and I >> do in my blog all the time. Others do the same. It spreads. If >> someone wants to make a print of it, go for it. The new image >> needs to be cc as well, so it should allow this. If Sun prints >> them and sells them and makes a bundle of cash and starts a new >> business unit around all this, well maybe that could be a problem. :) >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> >> >> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >> >>> Sara Dornsife wrote On 05/12/06 07:44,: >>> >>>> So are you saying that if we use only photos from community >>>> members with >>>> their permission to use them (Jim, Simon, Tim, etc) and are just >>>> using >>>> Flickr as the medium for storing those photos, we're OK? >>> >>> >>> Seems like that would probably be ok since we would have >>> permission from >>> the photographers. I'm assuming permission trumps the Flickr >>> TOU. But >>> I'm not a lawyer. >>> >>> Bonnie >>> >>> >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I like the idea of the poster, but we need to be careful about >>>>> which >>>>> photographs we use because photographs are copyrighted material. >>>>> >>>>> And from the TOU on Flickr: >>>>> >>>>> #7: Flickr is intended for personal use and is not a generic image >>>>> hosting service. Professional or corporate uses of Flickr are >>>>> prohibited. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Bonnie >>>>> >>>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote On 05/11/06 23:59,: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> from Flickr, >>>>>> >>>>>>> but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 >>>>>>> images leaves a gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it >>>>>>> would be a >>>>>>> good idea to put a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of >>>>>>> course, *I* >>>>>>> can't legally put that logo there, I think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into >>>>>>> the poster later tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and >>>>>>> then whoever >>>>>>> wants to put the final touches on it can get the source doc >>>>>>> (PDF, huge >>>>>>> 20"x30") from me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Moazam >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris >>>>>> activities and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to >>>>>> add to the pile. Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, >>>>>> and the user group meeting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Wed May 24 02:19:21 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:19:21 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris t-shirt color poll In-Reply-To: <4473BE56.8010609@sun.com> References: <4473BE56.8010609@sun.com> Message-ID: <1148462361.5794.1.camel@haiiro> Hey all On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 21:00 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Moazam will regret this (and the rest too) eventually, but I created a > poll to vote for the color t-shirt we use for the anniversary. Great stuff, thanks for that Sara - I've more widely publicised this (hope that's okay?) at http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/timf?entry=opensolaris_t_shirt_colours cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Operating Platforms Group Engineering Operations http://blogs.sun.com/timf From webmink at sun.com Wed May 24 03:51:22 2006 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:51:22 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <4473944D.9070408@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> <44733396.7030903@sun.com> <44734F6C.nail4QV1QSXIQ@burner> <447353B4.7050103@sun.com> <4473944D.9070408@sun.com> Message-ID: <78C32723-A860-4C00-8749-B856775AF81F@sun.com> On May 24, 2006, at 00:01, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Cyril Plisko wrote: >> On 5/23/06, Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> >>> Joerg Schilling wrote: >>> Isn't orange a problem in Israel this year? >>> >>> I hope someone from Israel could answer that...... It could be. >> >> Well, indeed starting last year orange became a symbolic color for >> some|many people with very clear ideological platform. And orange >> T-shirts are very popular among them. >> >> Does the choice of orange color for T-shirt bother me ? Not at all. >> I guess every one would have own opinion on that matter, but I say >> most prominent colors would be associated with something somewhere >> in the world... so let's just paint the Tshirt in orange :) >> > You are our voice of Israel, so we can put the political concerns > to rest..... > Now it's just a matter of who likes what. Being a huge fan of > orange, I love the idea. We are not able to do more than one, so > it's all black or all orange at this point. Orange shirts were also associated with the grass-roots reform movement in the Ukraine and elsewhere a few years ago. When I see people with bright orange shirts these days I think of them and the bloodless revolution they were able to bring about. It's probably a good association for many Europeans. S. From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Wed May 24 04:36:35 2006 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:36:35 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <78C32723-A860-4C00-8749-B856775AF81F@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> <44733396.7030903@sun.com> <44734F6C.nail4QV1QSXIQ@burner> <447353B4.7050103@sun.com> <4473944D.9070408@sun.com> <78C32723-A860-4C00-8749-B856775AF81F@sun.com> Message-ID: <44744543.4030109@sun.com> I agree, Orange also has associations with protestantism in Northern Ireland, and in this part of the world, especially in a world cup year, it only means one thing: http://www.dutchtifo.com/cutenews/data/upimages/oranje.JPG If we have these tshirts to Holland in the coming months, they will be THE thing to wear :) Patrick Simon Phipps wrote: > On May 24, 2006, at 00:01, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > >>Cyril Plisko wrote: >> >>>On 5/23/06, Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> >>>> Joerg Schilling wrote: >>>> Isn't orange a problem in Israel this year? >>>> >>>> I hope someone from Israel could answer that...... It could be. >>> >>>Well, indeed starting last year orange became a symbolic color for >>>some|many people with very clear ideological platform. And orange >>>T-shirts are very popular among them. >>> >>>Does the choice of orange color for T-shirt bother me ? Not at all. >>>I guess every one would have own opinion on that matter, but I say >>>most prominent colors would be associated with something somewhere >>>in the world... so let's just paint the Tshirt in orange :) >>> >> >>You are our voice of Israel, so we can put the political concerns >>to rest..... >>Now it's just a matter of who likes what. Being a huge fan of >>orange, I love the idea. We are not able to do more than one, so >>it's all black or all orange at this point. > > > Orange shirts were also associated with the grass-roots reform > movement in the Ukraine and elsewhere a few years ago. When I see > people with bright orange shirts these days I think of them and the > bloodless revolution they were able to bring about. It's probably a > good association for many Europeans. > > S. > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 24 06:44:39 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:44:39 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris t-shirt color poll In-Reply-To: <1148462361.5794.1.camel@haiiro> References: <4473BE56.8010609@sun.com> <1148462361.5794.1.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <44746347.8010009@sun.com> Tim Foster wrote: > Hey all > > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 21:00 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Moazam will regret this (and the rest too) eventually, but I created a >> poll to vote for the color t-shirt we use for the anniversary. >> > > Great stuff, thanks for that Sara - I've more widely publicised this > (hope that's okay?) at > > http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/timf?entry=opensolaris_t_shirt_colours > > cheers, > tim > Of Course -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 24 07:24:51 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:24:51 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: OpenSolaris Flickr Poster? In-Reply-To: <3C7C3BD0-7A93-43CA-96CE-8A1CD7BBCFD5@unixville.com> References: <17199680.1147413577862.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> <44648F9F.7000409@Sun.COM> <44649129.4060309@sun.com> <446497AE.8090605@Sun.COM> <4464A25B.6080909@sun.com> <4473815A.3010006@sun.com> <3C7C3BD0-7A93-43CA-96CE-8A1CD7BBCFD5@unixville.com> Message-ID: <44746CB3.7060602@sun.com> Thanks Moazam. Moazam Raja wrote: > Sara, this weekend I'll work on it. I'll *try* tomorrow night, but > this weekend is more realistic. :) > > -Moazam > > On May 23, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Moazam, >> Did you move forward with the creation of the poster using Jim's >> images from JavaOne? >> Sara >> >> >> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >>> Flickr allows you to choose your license. I give my stuff away under >>> Creative Commons (CC) -- take it, change it, don't make money, >>> contribute changes back or I come after you with the cops. So, all >>> the images we use should be under CC or we need the permission of >>> the photographer for sure. You can clearly see that each image has a >>> copyright next to it. >>> >>> Now, not being an expert in this either, I don't see how #7 below >>> prohibits us from doing a digital poster anymore than it prohibits >>> O'Reilly -- a for profit corporation -- from publishing >>> flicker-hosted images on their sites. In our case, a non-Sun >>> employee creates a poster with cc-licensed images and uploads it. We >>> post it on our site using flickr's own system that they encourage >>> and I do in my blog all the time. Others do the same. It spreads. If >>> someone wants to make a print of it, go for it. The new image needs >>> to be cc as well, so it should allow this. If Sun prints them and >>> sells them and makes a bundle of cash and starts a new business unit >>> around all this, well maybe that could be a problem. :) >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>> >>>> Sara Dornsife wrote On 05/12/06 07:44,: >>>> >>>>> So are you saying that if we use only photos from community >>>>> members with >>>>> their permission to use them (Jim, Simon, Tim, etc) and are just >>>>> using >>>>> Flickr as the medium for storing those photos, we're OK? >>>> >>>> >>>> Seems like that would probably be ok since we would have permission >>>> from >>>> the photographers. I'm assuming permission trumps the Flickr TOU. >>>> But >>>> I'm not a lawyer. >>>> >>>> Bonnie >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sara >>>>> >>>>> Bonnie Corwin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I like the idea of the poster, but we need to be careful about which >>>>>> photographs we use because photographs are copyrighted material. >>>>>> >>>>>> And from the TOU on Flickr: >>>>>> >>>>>> #7: Flickr is intended for personal use and is not a generic image >>>>>> hosting service. Professional or corporate uses of Flickr are >>>>>> prohibited. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bonnie >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote On 05/11/06 23:59,: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sara, I'm currently trying it. I have about 58 photos >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> from Flickr, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but there needs to be some minor editing done. 50-60 >>>>>>>> images leaves a gap on the poster, so I'm wondering if it >>>>>>>> would be a >>>>>>>> good idea to put a "OpenSolaris" logo in that space. Of >>>>>>>> course, *I* >>>>>>>> can't legally put that logo there, I think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll try to work on getting the images to fit into >>>>>>>> the poster later tonight. I'll email back with a PNG and then >>>>>>>> whoever >>>>>>>> wants to put the final touches on it can get the source doc >>>>>>>> (PDF, huge >>>>>>>> 20"x30") from me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Moazam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll be at JavaOne next week at some of the OpenSolaris >>>>>>> activities and I'll take some photos and put 'em on flickr to >>>>>>> add to the pile. Lots of booth shots, the bloggers beerfest, and >>>>>>> the user group meeting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Martin.Man at Sun.COM Wed May 24 08:57:55 2006 From: Martin.Man at Sun.COM (Martin Man) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:57:55 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris t-shirt color poll In-Reply-To: <4473BE56.8010609@sun.com> References: <4473BE56.8010609@sun.com> Message-ID: <44748283.8050504@sun.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Moazam will regret this (and the rest too) eventually, but I created a > poll to vote for the color t-shirt we use for the anniversary. > > http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/tshirt Nice pol, if only we had at least a picture to compare what the T-shirt would look like. Are we still talking about the t-shirts with big fat number 'one' on them? > Poll closes on Friday. > Sara thanx, Martin From spp at unixsa.net Wed May 24 08:59:01 2006 From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen Potter) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:59:01 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> Message-ID: <32517267.1148486371491.JavaMail.suncom@oss1> If the orange is the OpenSolaris orange, I kind of like it as well. The tangerine thing that someone else mentioned really didn't look right (at least on my screen). -spp This message posted from opensolaris.org From moazam at unixville.com Wed May 24 09:23:33 2006 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:23:33 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris t-shirt color poll In-Reply-To: <44748283.8050504@sun.com> References: <4473BE56.8010609@sun.com> <44748283.8050504@sun.com> Message-ID: I've added a comment which includes the t-shirt mockup pics from Tim Fosters weblog. http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/tshirt -Moazam On May 24, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Martin Man wrote: > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Moazam will regret this (and the rest too) eventually, but I >> created a poll to vote for the color t-shirt we use for the >> anniversary. >> http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/tshirt > > > Nice pol, if only we had at least a picture to compare what the T- > shirt would look like. Are we still talking about the t-shirts with > big fat number 'one' on them? > >> Poll closes on Friday. >> Sara > > thanx, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 24 09:31:14 2006 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:31:14 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris t-shirt color poll In-Reply-To: References: <4473BE56.8010609@sun.com> <44748283.8050504@sun.com> Message-ID: <44748A52.7010207@sun.com> OK, I didn't know how to do that. Thank you. Sara Moazam Raja wrote: > I've added a comment which includes the t-shirt mockup pics from Tim > Fosters weblog. > > http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/tshirt > > -Moazam > > On May 24, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Martin Man wrote: > >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> Moazam will regret this (and the rest too) eventually, but I created >>> a poll to vote for the color t-shirt we use for the anniversary. >>> http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/tshirt >> >> >> Nice pol, if only we had at least a picture to compare what the >> T-shirt would look like. Are we still talking about the t-shirts with >> big fat number 'one' on them? >> >>> Poll closes on Friday. >>> Sara >> >> thanx, >> Martin >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From stevel at sun.com Wed May 24 09:32:13 2006 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:32:13 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Anniversary T-shirt art on blue and black In-Reply-To: <44744543.4030109@sun.com> References: <44627054.1020101@sun.com> <44720CF4.4090008@sun.com> <447222AE.4050503@sun.com> <4472257E.3050201@sun.com> <447328CE.5010209@sun.com> <44733396.7030903@sun.com> <44734F6C.nail4QV1QSXIQ@burner> <447353B4.7050103@sun.com> <4473944D.9070408@sun.com> <78C32723-A860-4C00-8749-B856775AF81F@sun.com> <44744543.4030109@sun.com> Message-ID: <44748A8D.6010207@sun.com> hmmm... i wonder if i can get an orange anniversary t-shirt with "Van Nistelrooy" on the back :-P Patrick Finch wrote: > I agree, Orange also has associations with protestantism in Northern > Ireland, and in this part of the world, especially in a world cup year, > it only means one thing: > > http://www.dutchtifo.com/cutenews/data/upimages/oranje.JPG > > If we have these tshirts to Holland in the coming months, they will be > THE thing to wear :) > > > Patrick > > > > > Simon Phipps wrote: > >>On May 24, 2006, at 00:01, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >> >> >>>Cyril Plisko wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On 5/23/06, Sara Dornsife wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Joerg Schilling wrote: >>>>>Isn't orange a problem in Israel this year? >>>>> >>>>>I hope someone from Israel could answer that...... It could be. >>>> >>>>Well, indeed starting last year orange became a symbolic color for >>>>some|many people with very clear ideological platform. And orange >>>>T-shirts are very popular among them. >>>> >>>>Does the choice of orange color for T-shirt bother me ? Not at all. >>>>I guess every one would have own opinion on that matter, but I say >>>>most prominent colors would be associated with something somewhere >>>>in the world... so let's just paint the Tshirt in orange :) >>>> >>> >>>You are our voice of Israel, so we can put the political concerns >>>to rest..... >>>Now it's just a matter of who likes what. Being a huge fan of >>>orange, I love the idea. We are not able to do more than one, so >>>it's all black or all orange at this point. >> >> >>Orange shirts were also associated with the grass-roots reform >>movement in the Ukraine and elsewhere a few years ago. When I see >>people with bright orange shirts these days I think of them and the >>bloodless revolution they were able to bring about. It's probably a >>good association for many Europeans. >> >>S. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Wed May 24 09:36:16 2006 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:36:16 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris t-shirt color poll In-Reply-To: References: <4473BE56.8010609@sun.com> <44748283.8050504@sun.com> Message-ID: <1148488576.6945.1.camel@haiiro> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 09:23 -0700, Moazam Raj