From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu Mar 1 11:29:39 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:29:39 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Free Starter Kit Banner ads available Message-ID: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> Sun is offering the OpenSolaris Starter Kit free to anyone who requests one. You can go to get.opensolaris.org to sign up. We have created some banner ads for the Sun web site to promote this. The ads are available at http://www.sun.com/cgi-bin/sun/webdesign/index_banners.cgi?item=promo:_opensolaris_starter_kit and you are welcome to them for your own sites/blogs. Thanks for helping to spread the word that the media is available for free. Sara From dclarke at blastwave.org Thu Mar 1 11:33:00 2007 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:33:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [osol-mktg] Free Starter Kit Banner ads available In-Reply-To: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> References: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> Message-ID: <2935.72.39.216.186.1172777580.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > Sun is offering the OpenSolaris Starter Kit free to anyone who requests > one. You can go to get.opensolaris.org to sign up. We have created some > banner ads for the Sun web site to promote this. The ads are available > at > http://www.sun.com/cgi-bin/sun/webdesign/index_banners.cgi?item=promo:_opensolaris_starter_kit > and you are welcome to them for your own sites/blogs. > > Thanks for helping to spread the word that the media is available for free. cool dc From benr at cuddletech.com Thu Mar 1 11:35:47 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:35:47 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Free Starter Kit Banner ads available In-Reply-To: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> References: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> Message-ID: <45E72B13.1090005@cuddletech.com> Sara Dornsife wrote: > Sun is offering the OpenSolaris Starter Kit free to anyone who requests > one. You can go to get.opensolaris.org to sign up. We have created some > banner ads for the Sun web site to promote this. The ads are available > at > http://www.sun.com/cgi-bin/sun/webdesign/index_banners.cgi?item=promo:_opensolaris_starter_kit > and you are welcome to them for your own sites/blogs. > > Thanks for helping to spread the word that the media is available for free. > Sara Very nice. Thanks Sara. benr. From Young.J.Song at Sun.COM Thu Mar 1 14:40:59 2007 From: Young.J.Song at Sun.COM (Young Joo Pintaske) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:40:59 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Free Starter Kit Banner ads available In-Reply-To: <45E72B13.1090005@cuddletech.com> References: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> <45E72B13.1090005@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <45E7567B.7050708@Sun.COM> Great. Starter Kit is localized into some languages. Will the users get localized versions if they specify? regards, Young From Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM Thu Mar 1 17:30:39 2007 From: Teresa.Giacomini at Sun.COM (Teresa Giacomini) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:30:39 -0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] Free Starter Kit Banner ads available In-Reply-To: <45E7567B.7050708@Sun.COM> References: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> <45E72B13.1090005@cuddletech.com> <45E7567B.7050708@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <45E77E3F.50004@Sun.COM> The Starter Kit is catching up with the changes to the installation process. Right now the kit only has English, very soon it will have English and Spanish, and soon after that it will have English, Spanish, Brazilian Portuguese, Russian, Simplified Chinese, and Japanese. Users do not need to specify. One kit will contain them all, but it depends on when the order is processed which kit they will get. T Young Joo Pintaske wrote On 03/01/07 14:40,: > Great. Starter Kit is localized into some languages. Will the users > get localized versions if they specify? > > > regards, > Young > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From dclarke at blastwave.org Thu Mar 1 21:11:13 2007 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 00:11:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [osol-mktg] Free Starter Kit Banner ads available In-Reply-To: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> References: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> Message-ID: <38561.72.39.216.186.1172812273.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > Sun is offering the OpenSolaris Starter Kit free to anyone who requests > one. You can go to get.opensolaris.org to sign up. We have created some > banner ads for the Sun web site to promote this. The ads are available > at > http://www.sun.com/cgi-bin/sun/webdesign/index_banners.cgi?item=promo:_opensolaris_starter_kit > and you are welcome to them for your own sites/blogs. > http://www.blastwave.org/ do I need a CopyRight notice ? Dennis From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Mar 2 05:09:32 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:09:32 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Free Starter Kit Banner ads available In-Reply-To: <38561.72.39.216.186.1172812273.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> <38561.72.39.216.186.1172812273.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <45E8220C.8030906@sun.com> No copyright notices needed for banner ads. :) Dennis Clarke wrote: >> Sun is offering the OpenSolaris Starter Kit free to anyone who requests >> one. You can go to get.opensolaris.org to sign up. We have created some >> banner ads for the Sun web site to promote this. The ads are available >> at >> http://www.sun.com/cgi-bin/sun/webdesign/index_banners.cgi?item=promo:_opensolaris_starter_kit >> and you are welcome to them for your own sites/blogs. >> >> > > http://www.blastwave.org/ > > do I need a CopyRight notice ? > > Dennis > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Martin.Man at Sun.COM Fri Mar 2 06:08:56 2007 From: Martin.Man at Sun.COM (Martin Man) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:08:56 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Live from OpenSolaris Developer Conference, Berlin Message-ID: <45E82FF8.8010500@sun.com> Hi all, I'm happy to bring you the very live report from the European OpenSolaris Developer Conference 2007 in Berlin. I have to say that I'm rather busy these days so I was not able to cover all the talks in the detail, but yes, suffice to say that it was a success and we enjoyed. I hope you will get more info from Simon, Jim, and other bloggers soon.... http://martinman.net/2007/03/02/opensolaris-developer-conference-2007/ thanx, Martin From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sun Mar 4 14:53:57 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:53:57 +1300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Free Starter Kit Banner ads available In-Reply-To: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> References: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> Message-ID: <45EB4E05.8060108@sun.com> Hey, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Sun is offering the OpenSolaris Starter Kit free to anyone who requests > one. You can go to get.opensolaris.org to sign up. We have created some > banner ads for the Sun web site to promote this. The ads are available > at > http://www.sun.com/cgi-bin/sun/webdesign/index_banners.cgi?item=promo:_opensolaris_starter_kit > and you are welcome to them for your own sites/blogs. > > Thanks for helping to spread the word that the media is available for free. Very cool, though puzzling that they are hosted on sun.com and not opensolaris.org? Glynn From webmink at sun.com Sun Mar 4 15:09:21 2007 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:09:21 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Free Starter Kit Banner ads available In-Reply-To: <45EB4E05.8060108@sun.com> References: <45E729A3.1020000@sun.com> <45EB4E05.8060108@sun.com> Message-ID: <68D9C1BA-858F-43EA-8B97-1B97B7C22E18@sun.com> On Mar 4, 2007, at 22:53, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Sun is offering the OpenSolaris Starter Kit free to anyone who >> requests >> one. You can go to get.opensolaris.org to sign up. We have created >> some >> banner ads for the Sun web site to promote this. The ads are >> available >> at >> http://www.sun.com/cgi-bin/sun/webdesign/index_banners.cgi? >> item=promo:_opensolaris_starter_kit >> and you are welcome to them for your own sites/blogs. >> >> Thanks for helping to spread the word that the media is available >> for free. > > Very cool, though puzzling that they are hosted on sun.com and not > opensolaris.org? I believe they are there because they are part of an automated system that is displaying them on Sun web properties, since as well as sponsoring the kits Sun is donating the advertising for them too. S. From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed Mar 7 12:37:10 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:37:10 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris sessions at JavaOne Message-ID: <45EF2276.3080409@sun.com> Sorry for the broad distribution, but I wanted to give the most people the opportunity to comment and participate. Teresa and I applied for, and were granted, an OpenSolaris track during JavaOne. The track will take place on Monday May 7th (the day before JavaOne officially begins) at the Argent Hotel in San Francisco. We have 4 sessions that we need to fill. I would like to open the floor for anyone interested in submitting a session. Please use the marketing alias (opensolaris dash mktg at opensolaris dot org). Once submissions are in, we can discuss over there which ones we should do. Keep in mind that the JavaOne audience may not be familiar with OpenSolaris, so introductory or novice sessions are welcome. Since this was a last minute addition, so we don't have a lot of time. We need to submit abstracts by Tues March 13 (max word count 250). We'll have to have selected sessions by Monday to make this deadline. Thanks, Sara From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Mar 7 20:58:58 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:58:58 +0900 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris sessions at JavaOne In-Reply-To: <64024A17-677F-4DFD-A8BF-FC6704682CDD@sun.com> References: <14166049.1173315983091.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <64024A17-677F-4DFD-A8BF-FC6704682CDD@sun.com> Message-ID: <45EF9812.5040504@Sun.COM> Simon Phipps wrote On 03/08/07 10:14,: > > On Mar 8, 2007, at 01:05, Bob Palowoda wrote: > >>> Sorry for the broad distribution, but I wanted to >>> give the most people >>> the opportunity to comment and participate. Teresa >>> and I applied for, >>> and were granted, an OpenSolaris track during >>> JavaOne. Wow. That's great. Thank you! >>>The track will >>> take place on Monday May 7th (the day before JavaOne >>> officially begins) >>> at the Argent Hotel in San Francisco. I assume this will run along side of the NetBeans event, right? Are we all in the same hotel? >>> We have 4 sessions that we need to fill. Will there be more sessions? Such as a keynote? Is it half a day or a whole day? >>> I would like >>> to open the floor >>> for anyone interested in submitting a session. >>>Please >>> use the marketing >>> alias (opensolaris dash mktg at opensolaris dot org). >>> Once submissions >>> are in, we can discuss over there which ones we >>> should do. >>> >>> Keep in mind that the JavaOne audience may not be >>> familiar with >>> OpenSolaris, so introductory or novice sessions are >>> welcome. >>> >> >> Why would a Solaris developers go to an expensive Java developers >> conference to see novice sessions about Solaris? > > > Actually I gather this will be a free event preceding JavaOne, and it's > likely to be a good venue for people curious about OpenSolaris to > encounter it for the first time. And Java developers I know tell me > DTrace is an awesome debugging tool... I spent a lot of time at the JavaOne OpenSolaris pod last year, and the interest in OpenSolaris ran very, very high. And Alan's SVOSUG meeting in SF had a lot of Java people there, too. So, if Sara and Teresa have scored us an entire track for ourselves directly linked to one of the biggest developer venues in the world, I'd say that's a pretty big deal. Also, OpenSolaris Day's within Sun's Tech Days tour -- which have traditionally been focused on Java -- have drawn very well around the world. So, as Simon suggests, I bet there are many ways we can engage with Java guys. I'll be there for sure. One of the best features of the Germany OpenSolaris Conference was that the call for papers was open and took place on these lists. Anyone could submit a proposal. That's what's happening here, too. This is really good news. Jim From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu Mar 8 06:59:04 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:59:04 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris sessions at JavaOne In-Reply-To: <45EF9812.5040504@Sun.COM> References: <14166049.1173315983091.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <64024A17-677F-4DFD-A8BF-FC6704682CDD@sun.com> <45EF9812.5040504@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <45F024B8.1060807@sun.com> This is a work in progress, but the day will start at 10:30 and go through an evening reception that starts at 6pm. There is a keynote for the entire day that does include NetBeans - and other Sun open source projects. I do not have information on badges, but I will share when I get it. For example, I don't know what badge if any you need to get into this. We also have a pod in the Sun booth during the regular JavaOne. If anyone would like to volunteer for that, we'd love the help. Sara Jim Grisanzio wrote: > > Simon Phipps wrote On 03/08/07 10:14,: >> >> On Mar 8, 2007, at 01:05, Bob Palowoda wrote: >> >>>> Sorry for the broad distribution, but I wanted to >>>> give the most people >>>> the opportunity to comment and participate. Teresa >>>> and I applied for, >>>> and were granted, an OpenSolaris track during >>>> JavaOne. > > > Wow. That's great. Thank you! > > >>>> The track will >>>> take place on Monday May 7th (the day before JavaOne >>>> officially begins) >>>> at the Argent Hotel in San Francisco. > > > I assume this will run along side of the NetBeans event, right? Are we > all in the same hotel? > > >>>> We have 4 sessions that we need to fill. > > > > Will there be more sessions? Such as a keynote? Is it half a day or a > whole day? > > > >>>> I would like >>>> to open the floor >>>> for anyone interested in submitting a session. Please >>>> use the marketing >>>> alias (opensolaris dash mktg at opensolaris dot org). >>>> Once submissions >>>> are in, we can discuss over there which ones we >>>> should do. >>>> >>>> Keep in mind that the JavaOne audience may not be >>>> familiar with >>>> OpenSolaris, so introductory or novice sessions are >>>> welcome. >>>> >>> >>> Why would a Solaris developers go to an expensive Java developers >>> conference to see novice sessions about Solaris? >> >> >> Actually I gather this will be a free event preceding JavaOne, and >> it's likely to be a good venue for people curious about OpenSolaris >> to encounter it for the first time. And Java developers I know tell >> me DTrace is an awesome debugging tool... > > > I spent a lot of time at the JavaOne OpenSolaris pod last year, and > the interest in OpenSolaris ran very, very high. And Alan's SVOSUG > meeting in SF had a lot of Java people there, too. > > So, if Sara and Teresa have scored us an entire track for ourselves > directly linked to one of the biggest developer venues in the world, > I'd say that's a pretty big deal. Also, OpenSolaris Day's within Sun's > Tech Days tour -- which have traditionally been focused on Java -- > have drawn very well around the world. So, as Simon suggests, I bet > there are many ways we can engage with Java guys. I'll be there for sure. > > One of the best features of the Germany OpenSolaris Conference was > that the call for papers was open and took place on these lists. > Anyone could submit a proposal. That's what's happening here, too. > This is really good news. > > Jim > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From ezequiel at segurmatica.cu Thu Mar 8 08:44:39 2007 From: ezequiel at segurmatica.cu (Ezequiel Sevillano) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:44:39 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] Why?? Message-ID: <31225852.1173372356412.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Hello, I am Cuban, I want to outline something. im student of computer scinces. when i was requesting a copy of the dvd solaris , I realized that my country doesn't appear in the list of countries. Why? , that is not justice, even now that like principle here in Cuba we are passing to the free platform. I believe that it is an injustice. my email is ciberghost8504 at gmail.com im waiting for your answers... sorry for my bad english. This message posted from opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu Mar 8 09:06:50 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:06:50 -0600 Subject: [osol-mktg] Why?? In-Reply-To: <31225852.1173372356412.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <31225852.1173372356412.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <45F042AA.50109@sun.com> I have cc'd the website team with your message for help. Sorry for the inconvenience. Sara Ezequiel Sevillano wrote: > Hello, I am Cuban, I want to outline something. > im student of computer scinces. > when i was requesting a copy of the dvd solaris , I realized that my country doesn't appear in the list of countries. > Why? , that is not justice, even now that like principle here in Cuba we are passing to the free platform. > I believe that it is an injustice. > my email is ciberghost8504 at gmail.com > > im waiting for your answers... > sorry for my bad english. > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From derek.cicero at sun.com Thu Mar 8 10:07:29 2007 From: derek.cicero at sun.com (Derek Cicero) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:07:29 -0800 Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] Why?? In-Reply-To: <45F042AA.50109@sun.com> References: <31225852.1173372356412.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F042AA.50109@sun.com> Message-ID: <45F050E1.5080807@sun.com> I responded to him directly. You can send any further inquires of that type to me. Derek Sara Dornsife wrote: > I have cc'd the website team with your message for help. Sorry for the > inconvenience. > Sara > > > Ezequiel Sevillano wrote: > >> Hello, I am Cuban, I want to outline something. im student of >> computer scinces. >> when i was requesting a copy of the dvd solaris , I realized that my >> country doesn't appear in the list of countries. Why? , that is not >> justice, even now that like principle here in Cuba we are passing to >> the free platform. I believe that it is an injustice. my email is >> ciberghost8504 at gmail.com >> >> im waiting for your answers... >> sorry for my bad english. >> >> >> This message posted from opensolaris.org >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > website-discuss mailing list > website-discuss at opensolaris.org > -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu Mar 8 13:31:04 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:31:04 -0600 Subject: [website-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] Why?? In-Reply-To: <45F050E1.5080807@sun.com> References: <31225852.1173372356412.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F042AA.50109@sun.com> <45F050E1.5080807@sun.com> Message-ID: <45F08098.50806@sun.com> Thanks Derek. Sara Derek Cicero wrote: > > I responded to him directly. You can send any further inquires of that > type to me. > > Derek > > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> I have cc'd the website team with your message for help. Sorry for >> the inconvenience. >> Sara >> >> >> Ezequiel Sevillano wrote: >> >>> Hello, I am Cuban, I want to outline something. im student of >>> computer scinces. >>> when i was requesting a copy of the dvd solaris , I realized that my >>> country doesn't appear in the list of countries. Why? , that is not >>> justice, even now that like principle here in Cuba we are passing >>> to the free platform. I believe that it is an injustice. my email >>> is ciberghost8504 at gmail.com >>> >>> im waiting for your answers... >>> sorry for my bad english. >>> >>> >>> This message posted from opensolaris.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> website-discuss mailing list >> website-discuss at opensolaris.org >> > > From flash at systemnews.com Thu Mar 8 14:15:21 2007 From: flash at systemnews.com (John J McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:15:21 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Why?? In-Reply-To: <45F042AA.50109@sun.com> References: <31225852.1173372356412.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F042AA.50109@sun.com> Message-ID: <45F08AF9.9000507@systemnews.com> Cuba is included in a list maintained by the US Government (U.S. Commerce Department's Table of Denial Orders) It a list of States that US companies may not do business with, by law. That's why Cuba (and others such as Iran and North Korea) are excluded. Same applies when people from those states attempt to subscribe to a Sun newsletter. -johnj Sara Dornsife wrote: > I have cc'd the website team with your message for help. Sorry for the > inconvenience. > Sara > > > Ezequiel Sevillano wrote: >> Hello, I am Cuban, I want to outline something. im student of >> computer scinces. >> when i was requesting a copy of the dvd solaris , I realized that my >> country doesn't appear in the list of countries. Why? , that is not >> justice, even now that like principle here in Cuba we are passing to >> the free platform. I believe that it is an injustice. my email is >> ciberghost8504 at gmail.com >> >> im waiting for your answers... >> sorry for my bad english. >> >> >> This message posted from opensolaris.org >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -- John J. McLaughlin, Editor-in-Chief/CTO, System News Inc. Publishers of "SunFlash" (http://sunflash.sun.com) "System News for Sun Users" and "System News for Sun iForce Partners" flash at systemnews.com +1 (954) 234 8990 http://sun.systemnews.com LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/e/fpf/228699 From ivanz at karoshi.com.mx Thu Mar 8 17:59:23 2007 From: ivanz at karoshi.com.mx (Ivan Zavala) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:59:23 PST Subject: [osol-mktg] =?utf-8?q?New_Community_for_OpenSolaris_M=C3=A9xico?= Message-ID: <31416695.1173405593530.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Hi, I'm working with Sun Microsystems in Mexico City to create the OpenSolaris local community. And we are interested on having our community on this website. Our objectives: Promote OpenSolaris Adoption Generate Business Opportunities for technology developers who adopt OpenSolaris as it's platform Help organizations that use Solaris or OpenSolaris on technical aspects Help technology developers on business issues related with software industry (marketing, business models, funding, etc) Goals: Generate new users for opensolaris.org Installation of opensolaris on production and testing servers Who is behind the community Ivan Zavala - Karoshi (Communities Generator/manager) Gerardo Horvilleur - Java Guru and Solaris enthusiast Claudio Horvilleur - Java Guru and Solaris enthusiast Paulo Kalapis - Sun Microsystems Jorge Angel - Sun Microsystems Angel Camacho - Sun Microsystems Santiago Zavala - Java and Solaris enthusiast Elmer Gardu?o - Java and Solaris enthusiast This message posted from opensolaris.org From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Mon Mar 12 15:20:02 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:20:02 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] perceptions of OpenSolaris Message-ID: <45F5D212.1030703@sun.com> Observation about perceptions of OpenSolaris: there was quite some discusson about OpenSolaris on LugRadio this week, and there was interest although it was clear that none of the presenters were inclined to use OpenSolaris anytime soon, primarily because of a perception that the desktop is not very approachable. It occurs to me that with the recent progress of the desktop in OpenSolaris, we ought to communicate this. WIth progress of recent builds, the desktop feels very different: I'm running build 56 now and it will mount a digital camera or a phone card with no user intervention, the GNOME version is much more current, I can add a user and manage permissions through a GUI etc. It's great that people are talking about OpenSolaris, shame that we haven't gotten the word out about how much progress has been made. Thoughts? Patrick From m.girish.rao at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 15:45:06 2007 From: m.girish.rao at gmail.com (girish) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:45:06 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45F5D212.1030703@sun.com> Message-ID: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> The new JDS look is awesome! I can honestly say in term of looks and usablity it's better than WinXP. It has a few weaknesses (such as the nautilus file manager) but that has to do with GNOME. This message posted from opensolaris.org From Joe.G at Sun.COM Mon Mar 12 19:42:24 2007 From: Joe.G at Sun.COM (Joe G (Joseph George)) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:12:24 +0530 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> Yes, there is a perception that Solaris is not approachable. I personally have seen the look of amazement on the faces of folks who have tried the BeleniX liveCD. I have told many that they can get the same desktop if there were to install SX. It would be great if we can get some technical press to write an article on this topic. 'Is Solaris more approachable?' - would start some interesting debate in the open. Or, get some coverage on slashdot. ~Joe > The new JDS look is awesome! I can honestly say in term of looks and usablity it's better than WinXP. It has a few weaknesses (such as the nautilus file manager) but that has to do with GNOME. > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -- ----------------------------------------------------- Joseph George http://blogs.sun.com/josephgeorge http://belenix.org From biggadike at vmware.com Mon Mar 12 19:49:07 2007 From: biggadike at vmware.com (Andrew Biggadike) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:49:07 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne OpenSolaris track submission: VMware and OpenSolaris Message-ID: <20070313024907.GE20269@vmware.com> I'd like to submit the following for consideration as a session during the OpenSolaris track at JavaOne: Session: VMware and OpenSolaris Presenter: Andrew Biggadike, VMware Virtualization is a familiar term to Java developers, but there's a very different kind of virtualization that is changing the role of operating systems in today's data centers and desktops. VMware is the industry-leader in hardware virtualization solutions and its various product offerings allow users to run multiple, disparate operating systems on a single physical machine. Virtual machines enable users to reduce costs and increase flexibility, and are simplifying how many of today's problems are solved. This session will provide a technical introduction to virtualization and the features Solaris users and Java developers will find most useful. We will discuss development done at VMware to provide support for Solaris guests, including development of several components included with VMware Tools for Solaris. We will also demo OpenSolaris running within a VMware virtual machine. Attendees are not assumed to have prior virtualization experience. The goal of the session is to provide an overview of what virtualization is and how it can improve the use of your Solaris systems. From stevel at sun.com Mon Mar 12 21:28:50 2007 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:28:50 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> References: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <20070313042850.GB429333@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:12:24AM +0530, Joe G (Joseph George) wrote: > Yes, there is a perception that Solaris is not approachable. > > I personally have seen the look of amazement on the faces of folks who > have tried the BeleniX liveCD. I have told many that they can get the > same desktop if there were to install SX. ... and that would be misleading. (IIRC) Belenix uses either xfce or KDE, neither of which is available with a default SX install. -steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Sriram.popuri at sun.com Tue Mar 13 03:37:21 2007 From: Sriram.popuri at sun.com (Sriram Popuri) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:37:21 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne OpenSolaris track submission:LiveMedia Technologies for OpenSolaris Message-ID: <23058496.1173782309916.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> LiveMedia for OpenSolaris is an attractive and important new direction made possible after the opening up of Solaris source code. This was pioneered by Joerg Schilling via his SchilliX LiveCD distribution of OpenSolaris. Subsequently Moinak Ghosh had come out with the BeleniX LiveCD distribution that introduced several new technologies in OpenSolaris required to make LiveMedia practical and useful. All the modifications and new features for LiveMedia will be integrated into OpenSolaris and the future Install roadmap of SUN's Solaris Express distribution includes the Live distro format. The Solaris Express Install DVD will be a Live bootable DVD with an install option. In addition LiveMedia make various other things possible, like product trial CDs, system recovery CDs, system test CDs, system in a pocket using USB media etc. The LiveMedia technologies umbrella project is located at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/livemedia/ and concerns not only Live CDs but also other forms of Live Media like USB Keys. This presentation talks about all the above topics including future work: * Details of current technologies available like: o Grub based CD boot o Ramdisk o On the fly decompression o HSFS I/O Scheduling optimizations o ISO Data Block reorganization algorithm using data from DTrace Toolkit and mkisofs "-sort" option. o Numerous tweaks and changes to bootup scripts and utilities * Changes for USB based live media * BeleniX Remastering Toolkit * BeleniX Harddisk Installer * Solaris Express LiveKit * Current utilization of LiveMedia possibilities in SUN * What futher work needs to be done like: o UnionFS o Multisession DVDs (Similar to Puppy Linux) o Preserving sessions when booting off USB keys o Encrypting sessions o OpenSolaris recovery toolkit o Ability to use Linux swap without corrupting it o Dump CD to RAM This message posted from opensolaris.org From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Tue Mar 13 04:37:38 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:37:38 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <20070313042850.GB429333@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> <20070313042850.GB429333@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <45F68D02.80200@sun.com> Sure, SX isn't KDE, people remember GNOME on Solaris as JDS, which is not a helpful name. But Joe's point "It would be great if we can get some technical press to write an article on this topic. 'Is Solaris more approachable?' - would start some interesting debate in the open. Or, get some coverage on slashdot." is quite right. It isn't as approachable as the most polished Linux distros, some things are still quite tricky (e.g. I have had problems configuring printers) and somethings are just not there (some multimedia, suspend/resume especially) but I think that people would be surprised that you can plug in your digital camera, or any USB disk, or a phone card, or that there's Wifi support. And it's easy to forget just how far the desktop has come -I already take these things for granted and forget that people who tried SX even a year ago will not have had a similar experience. I don't think that people are going to use OpenSolaris because it's "almost as good a desktop as Suse", but they at least should not be put off from trying the things that make OpenSolaris special because they think it is not an approachable OS. I will see if we can find a journalist interested in doing a review. There were quite some stories about SX developer edition, but I don't think that any of the ones I read were by people who had actually booted it! (I could be wrong) Patrick Stephen Lau wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:12:24AM +0530, Joe G (Joseph George) wrote: >> Yes, there is a perception that Solaris is not approachable. >> >> I personally have seen the look of amazement on the faces of folks who >> have tried the BeleniX liveCD. I have told many that they can get the >> same desktop if there were to install SX. > > ... and that would be misleading. > (IIRC) Belenix uses either xfce or KDE, neither of which is available > with a default SX install. > > -steve From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Mar 13 07:19:05 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:19:05 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne OpenSolaris track submission: VMware and OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <20070313024907.GE20269@vmware.com> References: <20070313024907.GE20269@vmware.com> Message-ID: <45F6B2D9.9030707@sun.com> Andrew, Thanks for submitting a talk for OpenSolaris track at JavaOne. We'd love to have you do this. I will forward you more details as they come in. Sara Andrew Biggadike wrote: > I'd like to submit the following for consideration as a session during > the OpenSolaris track at JavaOne: > > Session: VMware and OpenSolaris > Presenter: Andrew Biggadike, VMware > > Virtualization is a familiar term to Java developers, but there's > a very different kind of virtualization that is changing the role of > operating systems in today's data centers and desktops. VMware is the > industry-leader in hardware virtualization solutions and its various > product offerings allow users to run multiple, disparate operating > systems on a single physical machine. Virtual machines enable users > to reduce costs and increase flexibility, and are simplifying how many > of today's problems are solved. > > This session will provide a technical introduction to virtualization > and the features Solaris users and Java developers will find most > useful. We will discuss development done at VMware to provide support > for Solaris guests, including development of several components > included with VMware Tools for Solaris. We will also demo OpenSolaris > running within a VMware virtual machine. > > Attendees are not assumed to have prior virtualization experience. > The goal of the session is to provide an overview of what > virtualization is and how it can improve the use of your Solaris > systems. > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Mar 13 07:19:31 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:19:31 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45F68D02.80200@sun.com> References: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> <20070313042850.GB429333@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> <45F68D02.80200@sun.com> Message-ID: <1173795571.27700.55.camel@haiiro> Hey All, On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 12:37 +0100, Patrick Finch wrote: > is quite right. It isn't as approachable as the most polished Linux > distros, some things are still quite tricky (e.g. I have had problems > configuring printers) and somethings are just not there (some > multimedia, suspend/resume especially) but I think that people would be > surprised that you can plug in your digital camera, or any USB disk, or > a phone card, or that there's Wifi support. Yep, all these are good points - I'm just wondering when would be a good time for them to do that review. Imho, we're almost, but not quite at the stage where such an article would be well worth getting. Would it make sense to ask the folks working on volume/device management to see when's a good time for such a review to happen (giving them a few more weeks to fix open bugs could be beneficial, eg. my iPod doesn't automatically mount all the time, and gnome-vold crashes from time to time) Likewise, would it make sense to wait for some of the NWAM project to integrate, which would make configuring wifi & networking a *lot* for the average man on the street (which it isn't, yet...) If possible, doing the review on a machine with an nvidia graphics card would be cool too (there's a System Tools->NVidia X Server Settings tool in the GNOME menu now, which makes configuring a lot easier) - just an added bonus though, we're already pretty good with most graphics cards. Finally, pointing to http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html would be worthwhile as well I think. All that said, you could end up getting into a perpetual "nearly done, just one more bugfix" state and the article would never get written. In general, I agree - OpenSolaris on the desktop has improved in leaps and bounds over the last year or so, and we need to get the message out there. cheers, tim > Stephen Lau wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:12:24AM +0530, Joe G (Joseph George) wrote: > >> Yes, there is a perception that Solaris is not approachable. > >> > >> I personally have seen the look of amazement on the faces of folks who > >> have tried the BeleniX liveCD. I have told many that they can get the > >> same desktop if there were to install SX. > > > > ... and that would be misleading. > > (IIRC) Belenix uses either xfce or KDE, neither of which is available > > with a default SX install. > > > > -steve > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From shivakumargn at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 08:11:51 2007 From: shivakumargn at yahoo.com (gns) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:11:51 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne - Submitting a OpenSolaris session Message-ID: <23602883.1173798891172.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Hello, I'd like to submit the below topic as a session for the OpenSolaris track at JavaOne: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Title : Building and Deploying OpenSolaris Speaker : Shivakumar GN Abstract: OpenSolaris gives one a wide range of choices with regard to installing new versions, and keeping up to date with the latest and greatest OpenSolaris bits. In this session, I give a introduction to what OpenSolaris is about, the different consolidations available and what each of these have to offer, the collaboration mechansims available for managing the OpenSolaris based projects. I then move on to discuss the mechanism to build the ON consolidation (the OpenSolaris bits) from *source* and the available mechanisms to deploy/upgrade using the built system. I also look at the various OpenSolaris based distributions available today and what they have to offer to the end user. Finally no community presentation is complete without provide pointers for people interested in contributing and hence I close the session with details for the same. Target Audience: No prior know-how on OpenSolaris is assumed. Basic familiarity with any of the posix environments is expected. Objectives: - Introduce OpenSolaris project to the audience - Familiarize the audience with the different source code consolidations available - Familiarize the audience with the collaboration infrastructure available on opensolaris.org - Provide steps to build the OpenSolaris bits (ON consolidation) and deploy the same - Familiarize the audience with the different OpenSolaris base distributions that are available - Get a small part of the audience interested enough to actually get into the contributing mode -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regarding myself: I am member of the Bangalore OpenSolaris User Group. I was one of the community speakers at the SUN Tech Days, Hyderabad, 2007 and delivered a session on "Building and Deploying OpenSolaris" that was well attended and well received. My career spans over 7 years Siemens Communication Software, Bangalore. In the recent years I have been into Solaris platform based Network Element(Mobile Radio) development. My role spans Requirements Analysis, System Design & Architecture to testing and delivery of the product. I have served some of the technical bodies of IEEE in variety of capacities. Teaching is my passion and I work with students teaching/mentoring them on FOSS based projects and work with academic institutions to help have FOSS based curriculum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- best regards Shiv This message posted from opensolaris.org From Joe.G at Sun.COM Tue Mar 13 10:15:31 2007 From: Joe.G at Sun.COM (Joe G (Joseph George)) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:45:31 +0530 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: osol-mktg] JavaOne OpenSolaris track submission: OpenGrok In-Reply-To: <49977f270703130728v5375cf79n16676a4628e223f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49977f270703130728v5375cf79n16676a4628e223f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F6DC33.8020709@Sun.COM> Thanks Sriram! I happened to listen to Sriram's presentation on OpenGrok and how his team at ThoughtWorks uses it in their projects at Sun Tech Days, Hyderabad. It was very well received. Made me sit down and think we never spoke about it at the BOSUG meetings and other FOSS events. I understand that it is not directly connected with OpenSolaris, but this would be a great way to get developers to use something closely tied to opensolaris. And hopefully, more will look at opensolaris favorably. ~Joe Sriram Narayanan wrote: > Session: OpenGrok for source code searches > Presenter, Sriram Narayanan, Thoughtworks > > OpenGrok powers the source code search at OpenSolaris.org. OpenGrok > serves indexed source code content for the many thousands for files in > the OpenSolaris code base. > > Join Sriram as he showcases how you could use OpenGrok to generate > source indexes for your projects, and provide your users with an easy > to use interface into your code base. He shares his experiences with > using and customizing OpenGrok for use on his projects at work. > > Attendees as assumed to be programmers. -- ----------------------------------------------------- Joseph George http://blogs.sun.com/josephgeorge http://belenix.org From stevel at sun.com Tue Mar 13 20:36:01 2007 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:36:01 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45F68D02.80200@sun.com> References: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> <20070313042850.GB429333@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> <45F68D02.80200@sun.com> Message-ID: <20070314033601.GA482550@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> I would rather wait for NWAM to integrate, as that's the big killer for me in terms of approachability. Joe User: How do I configure wireless? Solaris Fan: Simple! Use wificonfig createprofile blah blah blah blah blah... or dladm blah blah blah blah blah, followed by ifconfig ath0 plumb, then ifconfig ath0 auto-dhcp. Joe User: Whatever. I'll go back to Fedora & NetworkManager. Once NWAM integrates, we would have a lot more parity for the desktop user. cheers, steve On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:37:38PM +0100, Patrick Finch wrote: > > Sure, SX isn't KDE, people remember GNOME on Solaris as JDS, which is > not a helpful name. But Joe's point > > "It would be great if we can get some technical press to write an > article on this topic. 'Is Solaris more approachable?' - would start > some interesting debate in the open. Or, get some coverage on slashdot." > > is quite right. It isn't as approachable as the most polished Linux > distros, some things are still quite tricky (e.g. I have had problems > configuring printers) and somethings are just not there (some > multimedia, suspend/resume especially) but I think that people would be > surprised that you can plug in your digital camera, or any USB disk, or > a phone card, or that there's Wifi support. And it's easy to forget > just how far the desktop has come -I already take these things for > granted and forget that people who tried SX even a year ago will not > have had a similar experience. > > I don't think that people are going to use OpenSolaris because it's > "almost as good a desktop as Suse", but they at least should not be put > off from trying the things that make OpenSolaris special because they > think it is not an approachable OS. > > I will see if we can find a journalist interested in doing a review. > There were quite some stories about SX developer edition, but I don't > think that any of the ones I read were by people who had actually booted > it! (I could be wrong) > > Patrick > > > > > Stephen Lau wrote: > >On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:12:24AM +0530, Joe G (Joseph George) wrote: > >>Yes, there is a perception that Solaris is not approachable. > >> > >>I personally have seen the look of amazement on the faces of folks who > >>have tried the BeleniX liveCD. I have told many that they can get the > >>same desktop if there were to install SX. > > > >... and that would be misleading. > >(IIRC) Belenix uses either xfce or KDE, neither of which is available > >with a default SX install. > > > >-steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Wed Mar 14 02:17:20 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:17:20 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <20070314033601.GA482550@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> <20070313042850.GB429333@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> <45F68D02.80200@sun.com> <20070314033601.GA482550@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <45F7BDA0.2010505@sun.com> When will NWAM integrate? I don't disagree with you, but there is so much progress and it moves so rapidly - look at this review from February: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/02/02/closing-the-loop-on-sun-startup-essentials/ I guess he was using Solaris 10 u2. Patrick Stephen Lau wrote: > I would rather wait for NWAM to integrate, as that's the big killer for > me in terms of approachability. > > Joe User: How do I configure wireless? > Solaris Fan: Simple! Use wificonfig createprofile blah blah blah blah > blah... or dladm blah blah blah blah blah, followed by ifconfig ath0 > plumb, then ifconfig ath0 auto-dhcp. > Joe User: Whatever. I'll go back to Fedora & NetworkManager. > > Once NWAM integrates, we would have a lot more parity for the desktop > user. > > cheers, > steve > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:37:38PM +0100, Patrick Finch wrote: >> Sure, SX isn't KDE, people remember GNOME on Solaris as JDS, which is >> not a helpful name. But Joe's point >> >> "It would be great if we can get some technical press to write an >> article on this topic. 'Is Solaris more approachable?' - would start >> some interesting debate in the open. Or, get some coverage on slashdot." >> >> is quite right. It isn't as approachable as the most polished Linux >> distros, some things are still quite tricky (e.g. I have had problems >> configuring printers) and somethings are just not there (some >> multimedia, suspend/resume especially) but I think that people would be >> surprised that you can plug in your digital camera, or any USB disk, or >> a phone card, or that there's Wifi support. And it's easy to forget >> just how far the desktop has come -I already take these things for >> granted and forget that people who tried SX even a year ago will not >> have had a similar experience. >> >> I don't think that people are going to use OpenSolaris because it's >> "almost as good a desktop as Suse", but they at least should not be put >> off from trying the things that make OpenSolaris special because they >> think it is not an approachable OS. >> >> I will see if we can find a journalist interested in doing a review. >> There were quite some stories about SX developer edition, but I don't >> think that any of the ones I read were by people who had actually booted >> it! (I could be wrong) >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> >> Stephen Lau wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:12:24AM +0530, Joe G (Joseph George) wrote: >>>> Yes, there is a perception that Solaris is not approachable. >>>> >>>> I personally have seen the look of amazement on the faces of folks who >>>> have tried the BeleniX liveCD. I have told many that they can get the >>>> same desktop if there were to install SX. >>> ... and that would be misleading. >>> (IIRC) Belenix uses either xfce or KDE, neither of which is available >>> with a default SX install. >>> >>> -steve > From stevel at sun.com Wed Mar 14 21:01:15 2007 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:01:15 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45F7BDA0.2010505@sun.com> References: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> <20070313042850.GB429333@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> <45F68D02.80200@sun.com> <20070314033601.GA482550@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> <45F7BDA0.2010505@sun.com> Message-ID: <20070315040115.GB685587@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> Phase 0 is targeting integration RSN (onnv_62). Granted, it's not the *complete* NWAM (i.e.: GUI, etc. etc.), but it's certainly a start. cheers, steve On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:17:20AM +0100, Patrick Finch wrote: > When will NWAM integrate? I don't disagree with you, but there is so > much progress and it moves so rapidly - look at this review from February: > http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/02/02/closing-the-loop-on-sun-startup-essentials/ > I guess he was using Solaris 10 u2. > > Patrick > > > > Stephen Lau wrote: > >I would rather wait for NWAM to integrate, as that's the big killer for > >me in terms of approachability. > > > >Joe User: How do I configure wireless? > >Solaris Fan: Simple! Use wificonfig createprofile blah blah blah blah > >blah... or dladm blah blah blah blah blah, followed by ifconfig ath0 > >plumb, then ifconfig ath0 auto-dhcp. > >Joe User: Whatever. I'll go back to Fedora & NetworkManager. > > > >Once NWAM integrates, we would have a lot more parity for the desktop > >user. > > > >cheers, > >steve > > > >On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:37:38PM +0100, Patrick Finch wrote: > >>Sure, SX isn't KDE, people remember GNOME on Solaris as JDS, which is > >>not a helpful name. But Joe's point > >> > >>"It would be great if we can get some technical press to write an > >>article on this topic. 'Is Solaris more approachable?' - would start > >>some interesting debate in the open. Or, get some coverage on slashdot." > >> > >>is quite right. It isn't as approachable as the most polished Linux > >>distros, some things are still quite tricky (e.g. I have had problems > >>configuring printers) and somethings are just not there (some > >>multimedia, suspend/resume especially) but I think that people would be > >>surprised that you can plug in your digital camera, or any USB disk, or > >>a phone card, or that there's Wifi support. And it's easy to forget > >>just how far the desktop has come -I already take these things for > >>granted and forget that people who tried SX even a year ago will not > >>have had a similar experience. > >> > >>I don't think that people are going to use OpenSolaris because it's > >>"almost as good a desktop as Suse", but they at least should not be put > >>off from trying the things that make OpenSolaris special because they > >>think it is not an approachable OS. > >> > >>I will see if we can find a journalist interested in doing a review. > >>There were quite some stories about SX developer edition, but I don't > >>think that any of the ones I read were by people who had actually booted > >>it! (I could be wrong) > >> > >>Patrick > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Stephen Lau wrote: > >>>On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:12:24AM +0530, Joe G (Joseph George) wrote: > >>>>Yes, there is a perception that Solaris is not approachable. > >>>> > >>>>I personally have seen the look of amazement on the faces of folks who > >>>>have tried the BeleniX liveCD. I have told many that they can get the > >>>>same desktop if there were to install SX. > >>>... and that would be misleading. > >>>(IIRC) Belenix uses either xfce or KDE, neither of which is available > >>>with a default SX install. > >>> > >>>-steve > > -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Mar 14 21:51:20 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:51:20 +0900 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45F7BDA0.2010505@sun.com> References: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> <20070313042850.GB429333@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> <45F68D02.80200@sun.com> <20070314033601.GA482550@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> <45F7BDA0.2010505@sun.com> Message-ID: <45F8D0C8.7000703@Sun.COM> Patrick Finch wrote On 03/14/07 18:17,: > When will NWAM integrate? I don't disagree with you, but there is so > much progress and it moves so rapidly - look at this review from February: > http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/02/02/closing-the-loop-on-sun-startup-essentials/ I think that because we have so far to go to change perceptions, and because we've come a long way recently and can assert that progress, a constant program of reviews would be helpful. Personally, I would rather have a series of incremental reviews to demonstrate steady progress than wait for significant jumps in our technology because in the process of getting these reviews -- which can take some time anyway -- we are also building new relationships with press/analysts/bloggers. This is ultimately a judgment call that the marketing/PR team has to make because they generally know the people doing the reviews better than most of us. Jim From rlhamil at smart.net Fri Mar 16 01:49:02 2007 From: rlhamil at smart.net (Richard L. Hamilton) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:49:02 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45F8D0C8.7000703@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <29212355.1174034972212.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> I guess the question is, if you announce new developments as they happen, do you build respect over time, or do you build up people's filters against listening after awhile? OTOH, does waiting for a certain level of goodies to announce increase the impact, or just look like PR grandstanding or holding back on information? If I were to engage in clueless speculation, I'd think most people, and press folks in particular would like to be kept regularly informed (or at least want you to think that's what they wanted), provided it (a) wasn't just self-serving stuff (so they can feel they're fulfilling their role as skeptic or watchdog), and (b) (given human nature) that doing so didn't increase their workload too much. So if you put out progress reports, by all means point out how much you've improved, but also point out the roadmap and how much remains to be done; acknowledge known shortcomings before someone else tries to make a story out of them. And choose some middle road, neither announcing what might be of limited interest to their audience, nor merely every once-every-long-interval, but rather bounded by both a maximum interval and minimum amount or significance of accomplishment. That way, there's always enough substance, and yet you're putting out something just often enough that nobody will think you're slacking off. But FWIW, I know nothing about PR, and less than I should about human nature... This message posted from opensolaris.org From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri Mar 16 04:21:49 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:21:49 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <29212355.1174034972212.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <29212355.1174034972212.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <45FA7DCD.7050103@sun.com> > I guess the question is, if you announce new developments as they happen, > do you build respect over time, or do you build up people's filters against > listening after awhile? I think that's exactly the problem, and not just with the audience, but with the press too. I am not sure that the press will pay attention unless regular information is translated into user needs, and specifically, I think we need to understand what the milestones are. I think that we've reached one recently with Solaris Express, specifically, you don't need to know much about Solaris to configure a good working desktop (the GNOME GUIs are quite intuitive). I agree that it would be good to have a set of milestones saying what the next milestones, and I think that Stephen feels (and probably correctly) that NWAM should be integrated as most potential users will want a more painless wireless experience. I'm inclined to agree, but would you say then we have achieved the milestone of a well-functioning desktop that doesn't require a high level of specific Solaris knowledge to get up and running? Patrick Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > I guess the question is, if you announce new developments as they happen, > do you build respect over time, or do you build up people's filters against > listening after awhile? OTOH, does waiting for a certain level of goodies > to announce increase the impact, or just look like PR grandstanding or > holding back on information? > > If I were to engage in clueless speculation, I'd think most people, and press > folks in particular would like to be kept regularly informed (or at least > want you to think that's what they wanted), provided it (a) wasn't just > self-serving stuff (so they can feel they're fulfilling their role as skeptic or > watchdog), and (b) (given human nature) that doing so didn't increase their workload too much. > > So if you put out progress reports, by all means point out how much you've > improved, but also point out the roadmap and how much remains to > be done; acknowledge known shortcomings before someone else tries > to make a story out of them. And choose some middle road, neither > announcing what might be of limited interest to their audience, nor merely > every once-every-long-interval, but rather bounded by both a maximum > interval and minimum amount or significance of accomplishment. That way, > there's always enough substance, and yet you're putting out something just > often enough that nobody will think you're slacking off. > > But FWIW, I know nothing about PR, and less than I should about human > nature... > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Terri.Molini at Sun.COM Fri Mar 16 08:20:20 2007 From: Terri.Molini at Sun.COM (Terri Molini) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:20 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45FA7DCD.7050103@sun.com> References: <29212355.1174034972212.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45FA7DCD.7050103@sun.com> Message-ID: <45FAB5B4.8000000@sun.com> > If I were to engage in clueless speculation, I'd think most people, > and press > folks in particular would like to be kept regularly informed (or at least > want you to think that's what they wanted), provided it (a) wasn't just > self-serving stuff (so they can feel they're fulfilling their role as > skeptic or > watchdog), and (b) (given human nature) that doing so didn't increase > their workload too much. I say, keep them regularly informed. IMO, OpenSolaris is a community project--what and how we present ourselves to the press/analyst communities is very important and it should not come off as self-serving. We need to be able to put it into context and say why it is important to the community and the industry at large. Patrick Finch wrote: > > I guess the question is, if you announce new developments as they > happen, > > do you build respect over time, or do you build up people's filters > against > > listening after awhile? > > I think that's exactly the problem, and not just with the audience, > but with the press too. > > I am not sure that the press will pay attention unless regular > information is translated into user needs, and specifically, I think > we need to understand what the milestones are. I think that we've > reached one recently with Solaris Express, specifically, you don't > need to know much about Solaris to configure a good working desktop > (the GNOME GUIs are quite intuitive). > If the announcements are credible achievements and not just noise in the market, you build respect and excitement. The recent Solaris Express announcement is a good indication that this is true. There was good media and analyst coverage that indicates they are very interested. > I agree that it would be good to have a set of milestones saying what > the next milestones, and I think that Stephen feels (and probably > correctly) that NWAM should be integrated as most potential users > will want a more painless wireless experience. I'm inclined to agree, > but would you say then we have achieved the milestone of a > well-functioning desktop that doesn't require a high level of specific > Solaris knowledge to get up and running? > > Patrick > > > Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> I guess the question is, if you announce new developments as they >> happen, >> do you build respect over time, or do you build up people's filters >> against >> listening after awhile? OTOH, does waiting for a certain level of >> goodies >> to announce increase the impact, or just look like PR grandstanding or >> holding back on information? >> >> If I were to engage in clueless speculation, I'd think most people, >> and press >> folks in particular would like to be kept regularly informed (or at >> least >> want you to think that's what they wanted), provided it (a) wasn't just >> self-serving stuff (so they can feel they're fulfilling their role as >> skeptic or >> watchdog), and (b) (given human nature) that doing so didn't increase >> their workload too much. >> >> So if you put out progress reports, by all means point out how much >> you've >> improved, but also point out the roadmap and how much remains to >> be done; acknowledge known shortcomings before someone else tries >> to make a story out of them. And choose some middle road, neither >> announcing what might be of limited interest to their audience, nor >> merely >> every once-every-long-interval, but rather bounded by both a maximum >> interval and minimum amount or significance of accomplishment. That >> way, >> there's always enough substance, and yet you're putting out >> something just >> often enough that nobody will think you're slacking off. >> >> But FWIW, I know nothing about PR, and less than I should about human >> nature... >> >> >> This message posted from opensolaris.org >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- Terri Molini Sun Microsystems, Inc. Global Communications 408/404-4976 office/fax; x6-9968 408/406-9021 mobile IM: tmolini -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Fri Mar 16 15:39:13 2007 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:39:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Slide deck: Opensolaris Virtualization Message-ID: Thought I'd post this here because this recently posted slide desk seems too useful to risk it slipping by unnoticed... So if you believe a picture is worth 1024 words, this slide deck is worth fetching, if for no other reason than to study the three block diagrams. (It was for me, that's for sure.) - Zones Block Diagram (pg 7) - Branded Zones Block Diagram (pg 15) - Xen 3.x Architecture (pg 26) Link: http://blogs.sun.com/nilsn/entry/zones_brandz_and_xen_in From stevel at sun.com Fri Mar 16 21:31:55 2007 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:31:55 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45F8D0C8.7000703@Sun.COM> References: <10498988.1173739536213.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <45F60F90.5080709@Sun.COM> <20070313042850.GB429333@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> <45F68D02.80200@sun.com> <20070314033601.GA482550@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> <45F7BDA0.2010505@sun.com> <45F8D0C8.7000703@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <20070317043155.GB472395@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 01:51:20PM +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Patrick Finch wrote On 03/14/07 18:17,: > >When will NWAM integrate? I don't disagree with you, but there is so > >much progress and it moves so rapidly - look at this review from February: > >http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/02/02/closing-the-loop-on-sun-startup-essentials/ > > > I think that because we have so far to go to change perceptions, and > because we've come a long way recently and can assert that progress, a > constant program of reviews would be helpful. > > Personally, I would rather have a series of incremental reviews to > demonstrate steady progress than wait for significant jumps in our > technology because in the process of getting these reviews -- which can > take some time anyway -- we are also building new relationships with > press/analysts/bloggers. This is ultimately a judgment call that the > marketing/PR team has to make because they generally know the people > doing the reviews better than most of us. I guess I'm inclined to disagree. I feel that a constant stream of incremental reviews tends to get people tuned out and desensitised. And to be honest, I think geeks should make this call - because we're the ones who read the reviews, not marketing/PR types. -steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Sat Mar 17 08:11:24 2007 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:11:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Wikipedia references to OpenSolaris projects Message-ID: A while back I was reading a Wikipedia entry and decided to try making a change. The entry I was reading was for QEMU, and what I did (as you could probably guess) was simply add a reference to the QEMU OpenSolaris project page. It's really easy. You can even do it without logging in or registering. Since then, I've also done ones for Xfce and GCCfss. Not that I have a huge affinity for QEMU, Xfce, or GCC, but because I happened to be reading the Wikipedia pages for them and figured, what the heck, I've got a few minutes. So in case anyone is interested, I'm thinking there are tons of topics on Wikipedia lacking a reference to their corresponding OpenSolaris page. Basically all you do is click `Edit', add the link to the "External Links" bullet list, and save your change. Here's a step-by-step: 1. Go to the pages you're interested in, scroll down to the `External Links' sub-header and click the `Edit' link directly to the right. 2. You'll see an edit window containing a simple bullet list. This text will be at the top: == External links == 3. Go to the bottom of the list and insert your item (using Wikipedia syntax of course): * [ ] For example: * [http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/xfce Xfce on OpenSolaris community project] 4. Review your edit by clicking the `Show Preview' button; then Click `Save Page' 5. You'll see an image showing distorted text (spam prevention). Type the word shown and click `Save Page' again. From Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM Sat Mar 17 23:04:25 2007 From: Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM (Alan Coopersmith) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:04:25 -0700 Subject: [osol-discuss] [osol-mktg] Wikipedia references to OpenSolaris projects (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FCD669.8090606@sun.com> I dunno, sounds an awful like link spamming, which is damned annoying when they do it to the genunix wiki. Don't go overboard adding links where they're not really relevant - wikipedia isn't intended to be a web directory after all. -alan- Eric Boutilier wrote: > Cross-posting to opensolaris-discuss from opensolaris-mktg. Please use > opensolaris-mktg for any followups however. --Eric > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat Mar 17 07:11:24 2007 > Subject: [osol-mktg] Wikipedia references to OpenSolaris projects > From: Eric Boutilier > > A while back I was reading a Wikipedia entry and decided to try making a > change. The entry I was reading was for QEMU, and what I did (as you could > probably guess) was simply add a reference to the QEMU OpenSolaris project > page. It's really easy. You can even do it without logging in or > registering. Since then, I've also done ones for Xfce and GCCfss. Not that > I have a huge affinity for QEMU, Xfce, or GCC, but because I happened to be > reading the Wikipedia pages for them and figured, what the heck, I've got a > few minutes. > > So in case anyone is interested, I'm thinking there are tons of topics on > Wikipedia lacking a reference to their corresponding OpenSolaris page. > Basically all you do is click `Edit', add the link to the "External Links" > bullet list, and save your change. > > Here's a step-by-step: > > 1. Go to the pages you're interested in, scroll down to the `External > Links' sub-header and click the `Edit' link directly to the right. > > 2. You'll see an edit window containing a simple bullet list. This text > will be at the top: > == External links == > > 3. Go to the bottom of the list and insert your item (using Wikipedia > syntax > of course): > * [ ] > > For example: > * [http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/xfce Xfce on OpenSolaris > community project] > > 4. Review your edit by clicking the `Show Preview' button; then Click > `Save Page' > > 5. You'll see an image showing distorted text (spam prevention). Type the > word shown and click `Save Page' again. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Sun Mar 18 00:16:22 2007 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:16:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Wikipedia references to OpenSolaris projects (fwd) In-Reply-To: <45FCD669.8090606@sun.com> References: <45FCD669.8090606@sun.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > I dunno, sounds an awful like link spamming,... How is it spamming? > which is damned annoying > when they do it to the genunix wiki. Don't go overboard adding links > where they're not really relevant - wikipedia isn't intended to be a > web directory after all. Look at the External Links section at the bottom of each entry. How would this be going overboard? And it's not like the Wikipedians couldn't have undone the edits I made to Xfce, QEMU, and GCC if they thought they were inappropriate. They're really quick to do that. Eric > > -alan- > > Eric Boutilier wrote: >> Cross-posting to opensolaris-discuss from opensolaris-mktg. Please use >> opensolaris-mktg for any followups however. --Eric >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Sat Mar 17 07:11:24 2007 >> Subject: [osol-mktg] Wikipedia references to OpenSolaris projects >> From: Eric Boutilier >> >> A while back I was reading a Wikipedia entry and decided to try making a >> change. The entry I was reading was for QEMU, and what I did (as you could >> probably guess) was simply add a reference to the QEMU OpenSolaris project >> page. It's really easy. You can even do it without logging in or >> registering. Since then, I've also done ones for Xfce and GCCfss. Not that >> I have a huge affinity for QEMU, Xfce, or GCC, but because I happened to be >> reading the Wikipedia pages for them and figured, what the heck, I've got a >> few minutes. >> >> So in case anyone is interested, I'm thinking there are tons of topics on >> Wikipedia lacking a reference to their corresponding OpenSolaris page. >> Basically all you do is click `Edit', add the link to the "External Links" >> bullet list, and save your change. >> >> Here's a step-by-step: >> >> 1. Go to the pages you're interested in, scroll down to the `External >> Links' sub-header and click the `Edit' link directly to the right. >> >> 2. You'll see an edit window containing a simple bullet list. This text >> will be at the top: >> == External links == >> >> 3. Go to the bottom of the list and insert your item (using Wikipedia >> syntax >> of course): >> * [ ] >> >> For example: >> * [http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/xfce Xfce on OpenSolaris community >> project] >> >> 4. Review your edit by clicking the `Show Preview' button; then Click `Save >> Page' >> >> 5. You'll see an image showing distorted text (spam prevention). Type the >> word shown and click `Save Page' again. >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-discuss mailing list >> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org > > > -- > -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com > Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering > From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 20:17:27 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:17:27 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships Message-ID: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> Hi, Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be best to contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme which is part information for customers, and part promotional spot/plug for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our hardware through providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of specifications or work 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - for example, an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary database like structure such as an iPod. The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish to run OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can choose from which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from chipsets to mp3 players. The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have a visible presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board as a form of marketing; making their hardware more desirable over others,and thus push up sales of those companies willing to help/support the OpenSolaris community. I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will most a much more detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to give a 'heads up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are willing to get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing push. Awaiting replies and input, Kaiwai Gardiner From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Mon Mar 19 01:49:04 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:49:04 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> Message-ID: <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> Hi Kaiwai, I think the biggest challenge you face in an activity like this is that people will always be very reluctant to certify to a code base. Statements of compatibility will almost always be made against specific binary distributions, rather than to source code. Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more detail, and has also been looking into an "ingredient button" style programme, (such as "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent Linux), but I don't think it is that straightforward, and at the moment, we only have what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name (i.e. you can call your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). If you can make any progress on these challenges, it will indeed be most valuable. best regards Patrick Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Hi, > > Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be best to > contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > which is part information for customers, and part promotional spot/plug > for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our hardware through > providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of specifications or work > 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - for example, > an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary database like > structure such as an iPod. > > The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish to run > OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can choose from > which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from chipsets to mp3 > players. > > The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have a visible > presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board as a form of > marketing; making their hardware more desirable over others,and thus > push up sales of those companies willing to help/support the OpenSolaris > community. > > I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will most a much more > detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to give a 'heads > up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are willing to > get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing push. > > Awaiting replies and input, > > Kaiwai Gardiner > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 06:06:00 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:06:00 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> Message-ID: Thank you for the email, Although 'buttons' on boxes, something like a rising sun with a smily face, would be a long term goal, but I think the first thing to establish a list of 'works with OpenSolaris'; hardware that has been verified to have worked with OpenSolaris through a wiki/voting like structure where end users and hardware companies, if they choose, can meet, and address any problems as they're found. If companies like OpenSound wish to 'get on board' where by they can 'plug' their product in as part of, for example "This device is supported via a third party technology"; advertising for companies through our hardware support list; and if these companies see benefits by customers being directed to their product (rather than a competitor) - for example, Nvidia wining customers from ATI due to ATI"s refusal to support OpenSolaris, in return, we might see more hardware companies get on board to provide drivers/specs and established hardware companies more inclined to supporting the OpenSolaris development effort. Now once a 'online community' where by future users, hardware companies and developers can all meet, then one can take it to the next level via a marketing bliz which includes labelling products that are OpenSolaris compatible - but that is further down the track. Nutshell: Community between hardware and end users -> develop and formalise links between end users, OpenSolaris 'foundation' and hardware companies -> Formal promotion of OpenSolaris 'compatible' hardware. The ETA time line for such a programme would be around 18months to 2 years; but once established, it should not only help end users but encourage hardware companies realise that there are more than just 'fortune 500' customers out there who are running OpenSolaris and want hardware support. Matt On 3/19/07, Patrick Finch wrote: > > Hi Kaiwai, > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an activity like this is that > people will always be very reluctant to certify to a code base. > Statements of compatibility will almost always be made against specific > binary distributions, rather than to source code. > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more detail, and has also > been looking into an "ingredient button" style programme, (such as > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent Linux), but I don't think > it is that straightforward, and at the moment, we only have what's > called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name (i.e. you can call your > distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, it will indeed be most > valuable. > > best regards > > Patrick > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be best to > > contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > which is part information for customers, and part promotional spot/plug > > for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our hardware through > > providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of specifications or work > > 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - for example, > > an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary database like > > structure such as an iPod. > > > > The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish to run > > OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can choose from > > which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from chipsets to mp3 > > players. > > > > The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have a visible > > presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board as a form of > > marketing; making their hardware more desirable over others,and thus > > push up sales of those companies willing to help/support the OpenSolaris > > community. > > > > I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will most a much more > > detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to give a 'heads > > up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are willing to > > get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing push. > > > > Awaiting replies and input, > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suspect the OpenSolaris community could leverage Sun's Solaris Ready program and get something up and runnung pretty quickly. -johnj On 3/19/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Thank you for the email, > > Although 'buttons' on boxes, something like a rising sun with a smily > face, would be a long term goal, but I think the first thing to establish a > list of 'works with OpenSolaris'; hardware that has been verified to have > worked with OpenSolaris through a wiki/voting like structure where end users > and hardware companies, if they choose, can meet, and address any problems > as they're found. > > If companies like OpenSound wish to 'get on board' where by they can > 'plug' their product in as part of, for example "This device is supported > via a third party technology"; advertising for companies through our > hardware support list; and if these companies see benefits by customers > being directed to their product (rather than a competitor) - for example, > Nvidia wining customers from ATI due to ATI"s refusal to support > OpenSolaris, in return, we might see more hardware companies get on board to > provide drivers/specs and established hardware companies more inclined to > supporting the OpenSolaris development effort. > > Now once a 'online community' where by future users, hardware companies > and developers can all meet, then one can take it to the next level via a > marketing bliz which includes labelling products that are OpenSolaris > compatible - but that is further down the track. > > Nutshell: > > Community between hardware and end users -> develop and formalise links > between end users, OpenSolaris 'foundation' and hardware companies -> Formal > promotion of OpenSolaris 'compatible' hardware. > > The ETA time line for such a programme would be around 18months to 2 > years; but once established, it should not only help end users but encourage > hardware companies realise that there are more than just 'fortune 500' > customers out there who are running OpenSolaris and want hardware support. > > Matt > > > On 3/19/07, Patrick Finch wrote: > > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an activity like this is that > > people will always be very reluctant to certify to a code base. > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be made against specific > > binary distributions, rather than to source code. > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more detail, and has also > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style programme, (such as > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent Linux), but I don't think > > it is that straightforward, and at the moment, we only have what's > > called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name (i.e. you can call your > > distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, it will indeed be most > > > > valuable. > > > > best regards > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be best to > > > contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > > > > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > > which is part information for customers, and part promotional > > spot/plug > > > for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our hardware > > through > > > providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of specifications or > > work > > > 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - for example, > > > an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary database like > > > structure such as an iPod. > > > > > > The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish to run > > > OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can choose from > > > which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from chipsets to mp3 > > > players. > > > > > > The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have a visible > > > presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board as a form > > of > > > marketing; making their hardware more desirable over others,and thus > > > push up sales of those companies willing to help/support the > > OpenSolaris > > > community. > > > > > > I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will most a much > > more > > > detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to give a > > 'heads > > > up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are willing to > > > get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing push. > > > > > > Awaiting replies and input, > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -- John J. McLaughlin Editor-in-Chief/CTO System News, Inc. +1 (954) 234 8990 Ft. Lauderdale, FL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Mar 19 08:41:21 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:41:21 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> Message-ID: <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> Kaiwai, A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. And your help would be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with this is the fact that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution to be compatible with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with Solaris, and the Solaris Ready program has been mentioned. Is there a way to put together a program that would indicate compatibility across all distributions? We can work on the TM once we figure out the program. Sara Patrick Finch wrote: > Hi Kaiwai, > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an activity like this is > that people will always be very reluctant to certify to a code base. > Statements of compatibility will almost always be made against > specific binary distributions, rather than to source code. > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more detail, and has also > been looking into an "ingredient button" style programme, (such as > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent Linux), but I don't > think it is that straightforward, and at the moment, we only have > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name (i.e. you can call > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, it will indeed be > most valuable. > > best regards > > Patrick > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be best to >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. >> >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme >> which is part information for customers, and part promotional spot/plug >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our hardware through >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of specifications or work >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - for example, >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary database like >> structure such as an iPod. >> >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish to run >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can choose from >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from chipsets to mp3 >> players. >> >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have a visible >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board as a form of >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable over others,and thus >> push up sales of those companies willing to help/support the OpenSolaris >> community. >> >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will most a much more >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to give a 'heads >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are willing to >> get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing push. >> >> Awaiting replies and input, >> >> Kaiwai Gardiner >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 15:35:12 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:35:12 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> Message-ID: Hi, True, very true, however, the "Solaris Ready" is pretty small when compared to the number of devices outt here; for example, mp3 players, with a mtrix as to what CODECS are supported out of the box with Solaris, and where you can obtain mp3 support along with links to any possible software that you might need to syncronise/rip music and so forth. Kinda like a "you've got the hardware, here are some resources relating to how to set it up". Matt On 3/20/07, John McLaughlin wrote: > > Sun has a 'Solaris Ready" > program http://www.sun.com/solarisready > which is focused on products that work with Solaris. Sun lists Solaris > Ready products, e.g. HBAs and Printers, on that page. > > I suspect the OpenSolaris community could leverage Sun's Solaris Ready > program and get something up and runnung pretty quickly. > > -johnj > > On 3/19/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > Thank you for the email, > > > > Although 'buttons' on boxes, something like a rising sun with a smily > > face, would be a long term goal, but I think the first thing to establish a > > list of 'works with OpenSolaris'; hardware that has been verified to have > > worked with OpenSolaris through a wiki/voting like structure where end users > > and hardware companies, if they choose, can meet, and address any problems > > as they're found. > > > > If companies like OpenSound wish to 'get on board' where by they can > > 'plug' their product in as part of, for example "This device is supported > > via a third party technology"; advertising for companies through our > > hardware support list; and if these companies see benefits by customers > > being directed to their product (rather than a competitor) - for example, > > Nvidia wining customers from ATI due to ATI"s refusal to support > > OpenSolaris, in return, we might see more hardware companies get on board to > > provide drivers/specs and established hardware companies more inclined to > > supporting the OpenSolaris development effort. > > > > Now once a 'online community' where by future users, hardware companies > > and developers can all meet, then one can take it to the next level via a > > marketing bliz which includes labelling products that are OpenSolaris > > compatible - but that is further down the track. > > > > Nutshell: > > > > Community between hardware and end users -> develop and formalise links > > between end users, OpenSolaris 'foundation' and hardware companies -> Formal > > promotion of OpenSolaris 'compatible' hardware. > > > > The ETA time line for such a programme would be around 18months to 2 > > years; but once established, it should not only help end users but encourage > > hardware companies realise that there are more than just 'fortune 500' > > customers out there who are running OpenSolaris and want hardware support. > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 3/19/07, Patrick Finch wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an activity like this is > > > that > > > people will always be very reluctant to certify to a code base. > > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be made against > > > specific > > > binary distributions, rather than to source code. > > > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more detail, and has also > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style programme, (such as > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent Linux), but I don't > > > think > > > it is that straightforward, and at the moment, we only have what's > > > called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name (i.e. you can call your > > > distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, it will indeed be > > > most > > > valuable. > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be best to > > > > contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > > > > > > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > > > which is part information for customers, and part promotional > > > spot/plug > > > > for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our hardware > > > through > > > > providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of specifications or > > > work > > > > 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - for > > > example, > > > > an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary database like > > > > structure such as an iPod. > > > > > > > > The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish to run > > > > OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can choose from > > > > which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from chipsets to mp3 > > > > players. > > > > > > > > The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have a > > > visible > > > > presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board as a > > > form of > > > > marketing; making their hardware more desirable over others,and thus > > > > > > > push up sales of those companies willing to help/support the > > > OpenSolaris > > > > community. > > > > > > > > I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will most a much > > > more > > > > detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to give a > > > 'heads > > > > up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are willing > > > to > > > > get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing push. > > > > > > > > Awaiting replies and input, > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > -- > John J. McLaughlin Editor-in-Chief/CTO > System News, Inc. > +1 (954) 234 8990 Ft. Lauderdale, FL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 15:44:52 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:44:52 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> Message-ID: Hi, With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - basically a grid like formation. So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, if any, software do I need to download and install to make it possible to access the device. In the case of my mp3 player: iAudio X5 30GB Feature: OpenSolaris Ogg Playback Yes Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate download (provide link to third party packaging site) Matt On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Kaiwai, > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. And your help would > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with this is the fact > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution to be compatible > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with Solaris, and the Solaris > Ready program has been mentioned. > > Is there a way to put together a program that would indicate > compatibility across all distributions? We can work on the TM once we > figure out the program. > Sara > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an activity like this is > > that people will always be very reluctant to certify to a code base. > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be made against > > specific binary distributions, rather than to source code. > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more detail, and has also > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style programme, (such as > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent Linux), but I don't > > think it is that straightforward, and at the moment, we only have > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name (i.e. you can call > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, it will indeed be > > most valuable. > > > > best regards > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be best to > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > >> > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > >> which is part information for customers, and part promotional spot/plug > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our hardware through > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of specifications or > work > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - for example, > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary database like > >> structure such as an iPod. > >> > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish to run > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can choose from > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from chipsets to mp3 > >> players. > >> > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have a visible > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board as a form > of > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable over others,and thus > >> push up sales of those companies willing to help/support the > OpenSolaris > >> community. > >> > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will most a much > more > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to give a > 'heads > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are willing to > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing push. > >> > >> Awaiting replies and input, > >> > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Mar 19 19:46:33 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:46:33 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> Message-ID: <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right place. Any ideas? Sara Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Hi, > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name of the > device up the top in the title, a list of features on the left hand > side and along the top, the distributions - basically a grid like > formation. > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, for example, > which distribution will it work with, and what, if any, software do I > need to download and install to make it possible to access the device. > > In the case of my mp3 player: > > iAudio X5 30GB > > Feature: OpenSolaris > > Ogg Playback Yes > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate > download (provide > link to third party > packaging site) > > Matt > > On 3/20/07, *Sara Dornsife* > wrote: > > Kaiwai, > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. And your help would > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with this is the fact > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution to be compatible > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with Solaris, and the > Solaris > Ready program has been mentioned. > > Is there a way to put together a program that would indicate > compatibility across all distributions? We can work on the TM once we > figure out the program. > Sara > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an activity like this is > > that people will always be very reluctant to certify to a code > base. > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be made against > > specific binary distributions, rather than to source code. > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more detail, and has > also > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style programme, (such as > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent Linux), but I don't > > think it is that straightforward, and at the moment, we only have > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name (i.e. you can call > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, it will indeed be > > most valuable. > > > > best regards > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be best to > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > >> > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" > programme > >> which is part information for customers, and part promotional > spot/plug > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our hardware > through > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of > specifications or work > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - for > example, > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary database like > >> structure such as an iPod. > >> > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish to run > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can choose > from > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from chipsets to mp3 > >> players. > >> > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have a > visible > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board as > a form of > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable over others,and > thus > >> push up sales of those companies willing to help/support the > OpenSolaris > >> community. > >> > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will most a > much more > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to give > a 'heads > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are > willing to > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing push. > >> > >> Awaiting replies and input, > >> > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 01:00:57 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:00:57 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> Message-ID: HI, I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size (less than 50K)) Matt On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be very > helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing community to post > it, but that doesn't seem like the right place. Any ideas? > Sara > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Hi, > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name of the device > up the top in the title, a list of features on the left hand side and along > the top, the distributions - basically a grid like formation. > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, for example, > which distribution will it work with, and what, if any, software do I need > to download and install to make it possible to access the device. > > In the case of my mp3 player: > > iAudio X5 30GB > > Feature: OpenSolaris > > Ogg Playback Yes > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate > download (provide > link to third party > packaging site) > > Matt > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > Kaiwai, > > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. And your help would > > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with this is the fact > > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution to be compatible > > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with Solaris, and the Solaris > > Ready program has been mentioned. > > > > Is there a way to put together a program that would indicate > > compatibility across all distributions? We can work on the TM once we > > figure out the program. > > Sara > > > > > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an activity like this is > > > that people will always be very reluctant to certify to a code base. > > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be made against > > > specific binary distributions, rather than to source code. > > > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more detail, and has also > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style programme, (such as > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent Linux), but I don't > > > think it is that straightforward, and at the moment, we only have > > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name (i.e. you can call > > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, it will indeed be > > > most valuable. > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be best to > > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > >> > > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > >> which is part information for customers, and part promotional > > spot/plug > > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our hardware > > through > > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of specifications or > > work > > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - for > > example, > > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary database like > > >> structure such as an iPod. > > >> > > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish to run > > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can choose from > > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from chipsets to mp3 > > >> players. > > >> > > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have a visible > > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board as a form > > of > > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable over others,and thus > > >> push up sales of those companies willing to help/support the > > OpenSolaris > > >> community. > > >> > > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will most a much > > more > > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to give a > > 'heads > > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are willing to > > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing push. > > >> > > >> Awaiting replies and input, > > >> > > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Mar 20 02:36:42 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:36:42 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> Message-ID: <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something that could be based off the HCL?) Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? More at http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ Have you seen the device detection tool: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from that. cheers, tim On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > HI, > > I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out > to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size > (less than 50K)) > > Matt > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be > very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing > community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right > place. Any ideas? > Sara > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name > > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on > > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - > > basically a grid like formation. > > > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, > > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, > > if any, software do I need to download and install to make > > it possible to access the device. > > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a > > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note > > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital > > camera[1] > > In the case of my mp3 player: > > > > iAudio X5 30GB > > > > Feature: OpenSolaris > > > > Ogg Playback Yes > > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate > > download (provide > > link to third party > > packaging site) > > > > Matt > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Kaiwai, > > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. > > And your help would > > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with > > this is the fact > > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution > > to be compatible > > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with > > Solaris, and the Solaris > > Ready program has been mentioned. > > > > Is there a way to put together a program that would > > indicate > > compatibility across all distributions? We can work > > on the TM once we > > figure out the program. > > Sara > > > > > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an > > activity like this is > > > that people will always be very reluctant to > > certify to a code base. > > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be > > made against > > > specific binary distributions, rather than to > > source code. > > > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more > > detail, and has also > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style > > programme, (such as > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent > > Linux), but I don't > > > think it is that straightforward, and at the > > moment, we only have > > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name > > (i.e. you can call > > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, > > it will indeed be > > > most valuable. > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it > > would be best to > > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > >> > > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris > > compatible" programme > > >> which is part information for customers, and part > > promotional spot/plug > > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly > > support our hardware through > > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of > > specifications or work > > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device > > itself - for example, > > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a > > proprietary database like > > >> structure such as an iPod. > > >> > > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers > > who wish to run > > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which > > they can choose from > > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging > > from chipsets to mp3 > > >> players. > > >> > > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they > > will have a visible > > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' > > communication board as a form of > > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable > > over others,and thus > > >> push up sales of those companies willing to > > help/support the OpenSolaris > > >> community. > > >> > > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, > > and will most a much more > > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would > > be best to give a 'heads > > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a > > whole are willing to > > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all > > marketing push. > > >> > > >> Awaiting replies and input, > > >> > > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 05:08:14 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:08:14 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: Hi, Its more than just an HCL, but a device and how to guide rolled into one; no use saying that, 'oh, this device works' without mentioning how they got it working, and if, if any, software they needed to download and install to exploit the hardware to its full potential. Case in point, I own a Cowon iAudio X5, where by there can be a brief hardware synopsis on the hardware, where to purchase it from, along with its capabilities; it supports OGG, mp3 and WMA< and provide links for software to rip music and encode in those formats. Matt On 3/20/07, Tim Foster wrote: > > > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware > Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something > that could be based off the HCL?) > > Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris > HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, > or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? > > More at > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ > > > Have you seen the device detection tool: > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html > > If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if > their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from > that. > > cheers, > tim > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > HI, > > > > I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out > > to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size > > (less than 50K)) > > > > Matt > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be > > very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing > > community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right > > place. Any ideas? > > Sara > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name > > > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on > > > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - > > > basically a grid like formation. > > > > > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, > > > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, > > > if any, software do I need to download and install to make > > > it possible to access the device. > > > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a > > > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note > > > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital > > > camera[1] > > > > In the case of my mp3 player: > > > > > > iAudio X5 30GB > > > > > > Feature: OpenSolaris > > > > > > Ogg Playback Yes > > > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate > > > download (provide > > > link to third party > > > packaging site) > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > Kaiwai, > > > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. > > > And your help would > > > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with > > > this is the fact > > > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution > > > to be compatible > > > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with > > > Solaris, and the Solaris > > > Ready program has been mentioned. > > > > > > Is there a way to put together a program that would > > > indicate > > > compatibility across all distributions? We can work > > > on the TM once we > > > figure out the program. > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an > > > activity like this is > > > > that people will always be very reluctant to > > > certify to a code base. > > > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be > > > made against > > > > specific binary distributions, rather than to > > > source code. > > > > > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more > > > detail, and has also > > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style > > > programme, (such as > > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent > > > Linux), but I don't > > > > think it is that straightforward, and at the > > > moment, we only have > > > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name > > > (i.e. you can call > > > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, > > > it will indeed be > > > > most valuable. > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it > > > would be best to > > > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > > >> > > > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris > > > compatible" programme > > > >> which is part information for customers, and part > > > promotional spot/plug > > > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly > > > support our hardware through > > > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of > > > specifications or work > > > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device > > > itself - for example, > > > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a > > > proprietary database like > > > >> structure such as an iPod. > > > >> > > > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers > > > who wish to run > > > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which > > > they can choose from > > > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging > > > from chipsets to mp3 > > > >> players. > > > >> > > > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they > > > will have a visible > > > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' > > > communication board as a form of > > > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable > > > over others,and thus > > > >> push up sales of those companies willing to > > > help/support the OpenSolaris > > > >> community. > > > >> > > > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, > > > and will most a much more > > > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would > > > be best to give a 'heads > > > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a > > > whole are willing to > > > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all > > > marketing push. > > > >> > > > >> Awaiting replies and input, > > > >> > > > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -- > Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops > http://blogs.sun.com/timf > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Mar 20 05:28:39 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:28:39 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> Message-ID: <45FFD377.90409@sun.com> Thanks! Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > HI, > > I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out > to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size > (less than 50K)) > > Matt > > On 3/20/07, *Sara Dornsife* > wrote: > > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be > very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing > community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right place. > Any ideas? > Sara > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> Hi, >> >> With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name of >> the device up the top in the title, a list of features on the >> left hand side and along the top, the distributions - basically a >> grid like formation. >> >> So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, for >> example, which distribution will it work with, and what, if any, >> software do I need to download and install to make it possible to >> access the device. >> >> In the case of my mp3 player: >> >> iAudio X5 30GB >> >> Feature: OpenSolaris >> >> Ogg Playback Yes >> Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate >> download (provide >> link to third party >> packaging site) >> >> Matt >> >> On 3/20/07, *Sara Dornsife* > > wrote: >> >> Kaiwai, >> A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. And your >> help would >> be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with this is >> the fact >> that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution to be >> compatible >> with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with Solaris, and >> the Solaris >> Ready program has been mentioned. >> >> Is there a way to put together a program that would indicate >> compatibility across all distributions? We can work on the TM >> once we >> figure out the program. >> Sara >> >> >> >> Patrick Finch wrote: >> > Hi Kaiwai, >> > >> > I think the biggest challenge you face in an activity like >> this is >> > that people will always be very reluctant to certify to a >> code base. >> > Statements of compatibility will almost always be made against >> > specific binary distributions, rather than to source code. >> > >> > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more detail, and >> has also >> > been looking into an "ingredient button" style programme, >> (such as >> > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent Linux), but I >> don't >> > think it is that straightforward, and at the moment, we only >> have >> > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name (i.e. you >> can call >> > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). >> > >> > If you can make any progress on these challenges, it will >> indeed be >> > most valuable. >> > >> > best regards >> > >> > Patrick >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it would be >> best to >> >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. >> >> >> >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" >> programme >> >> which is part information for customers, and part >> promotional spot/plug >> >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly support our >> hardware through >> >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of >> specifications or work >> >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device itself - >> for example, >> >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a proprietary >> database like >> >> structure such as an iPod. >> >> >> >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers who wish >> to run >> >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which they can >> choose from >> >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging from >> chipsets to mp3 >> >> players. >> >> >> >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they will have >> a visible >> >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' communication board >> as a form of >> >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable over >> others,and thus >> >> push up sales of those companies willing to help/support >> the OpenSolaris >> >> community. >> >> >> >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, and will >> most a much more >> >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would be best to >> give a 'heads >> >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a whole are >> willing to >> >> get behind this programme as part of the over all marketing >> push. >> >> >> >> Awaiting replies and input, >> >> >> >> Kaiwai Gardiner >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Mar 20 05:32:34 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:32:34 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <45FFD462.4000300@sun.com> Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from? Is Nevada going to be different? Sara Tim Foster wrote: >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme >> > > Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware > Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something > that could be based off the HCL?) > > Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris > HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, > or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? > > More at > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ > > > Have you seen the device detection tool: > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html > > If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if > their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from > that. > > cheers, > tim > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > >> HI, >> >> I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out >> to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size >> (less than 50K)) >> >> Matt >> >> On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be >> very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing >> community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right >> place. Any ideas? >> Sara >> >> >> >> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name >> > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on >> > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - >> > basically a grid like formation. >> > >> > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, >> > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, >> > if any, software do I need to download and install to make >> > it possible to access the device. >> > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a >> > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note >> > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital >> > camera[1] >> > > >> > In the case of my mp3 player: >> > >> > iAudio X5 30GB >> > >> > Feature: OpenSolaris >> > >> > Ogg Playback Yes >> > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate >> > download (provide >> > link to third party >> > packaging site) >> > >> > Matt >> > >> > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> > Kaiwai, >> > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. >> > And your help would >> > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with >> > this is the fact >> > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution >> > to be compatible >> > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with >> > Solaris, and the Solaris >> > Ready program has been mentioned. >> > >> > Is there a way to put together a program that would >> > indicate >> > compatibility across all distributions? We can work >> > on the TM once we >> > figure out the program. >> > Sara >> > >> > >> > >> > Patrick Finch wrote: >> > > Hi Kaiwai, >> > > >> > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an >> > activity like this is >> > > that people will always be very reluctant to >> > certify to a code base. >> > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be >> > made against >> > > specific binary distributions, rather than to >> > source code. >> > > >> > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more >> > detail, and has also >> > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style >> > programme, (such as >> > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent >> > Linux), but I don't >> > > think it is that straightforward, and at the >> > moment, we only have >> > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name >> > (i.e. you can call >> > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). >> > > >> > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, >> > it will indeed be >> > > most valuable. >> > > >> > > best regards >> > > >> > > Patrick >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> > >> Hi, >> > >> >> > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it >> > would be best to >> > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. >> > >> >> > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris >> > compatible" programme >> > >> which is part information for customers, and part >> > promotional spot/plug >> > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly >> > support our hardware through >> > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of >> > specifications or work >> > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device >> > itself - for example, >> > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a >> > proprietary database like >> > >> structure such as an iPod. >> > >> >> > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers >> > who wish to run >> > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which >> > they can choose from >> > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging >> > from chipsets to mp3 >> > >> players. >> > >> >> > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they >> > will have a visible >> > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' >> > communication board as a form of >> > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable >> > over others,and thus >> > >> push up sales of those companies willing to >> > help/support the OpenSolaris >> > >> community. >> > >> >> > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, >> > and will most a much more >> > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would >> > be best to give a 'heads >> > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a >> > whole are willing to >> > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all >> > marketing push. >> > >> >> > >> Awaiting replies and input, >> > >> >> > >> Kaiwai Gardiner >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Mar 20 05:37:11 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:37:11 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <45FFD577.2070903@sun.com> Create it and let's see if we can help it get some traction so that others add their stuff. We can also link to the HCL, but as you say, it is a list without a lot of meat behind it as far as the how's and why's. Sara Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Hi, > > Its more than just an HCL, but a device and how to guide rolled into > one; no use saying that, 'oh, this device works' without mentioning > how they got it working, and if, if any, software they needed to > download and install to exploit the hardware to its full potential. > > Case in point, I own a Cowon iAudio X5, where by there can be a brief > hardware synopsis on the hardware, where to purchase it from, along > with its capabilities; it supports OGG, mp3 and WMA< and provide links > for software to rip music and encode in those formats. > > Matt > > On 3/20/07, *Tim Foster* > wrote: > > > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware > Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - > something > that could be based off the HCL?) > > Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris > HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, > or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? > > More at > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ > > > Have you seen the device detection tool: > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html > > If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and > then if > their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from > that. > > cheers, > tim > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > HI, > > > > I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out > > to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size > > (less than 50K)) > > > > Matt > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife < Sara.Dornsife at sun.com > > wrote: > > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that > would be > > very helpful to many. I can give you access to the > marketing > > community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right > > place. Any ideas? > > Sara > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; > the name > > > of the device up the top in the title, a list of > features on > > > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - > > > basically a grid like formation. > > > > > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, > > > for example, which distribution will it work with, and > what, > > > if any, software do I need to download and install to make > > > it possible to access the device. > > > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class > as a > > > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note > > > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital > > > camera[1] > > > > In the case of my mp3 player: > > > > > > iAudio X5 30GB > > > > > > Feature: OpenSolaris > > > > > > Ogg Playback Yes > > > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate > > > download (provide > > > link to third party > > > packaging site) > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife > wrote: > > > Kaiwai, > > > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. > > > And your help would > > > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face > with > > > this is the fact > > > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris > distribution > > > to be compatible > > > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with > > > Solaris, and the Solaris > > > Ready program has been mentioned. > > > > > > Is there a way to put together a program that > would > > > indicate > > > compatibility across all distributions? We can > work > > > on the TM once we > > > figure out the program. > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an > > > activity like this is > > > > that people will always be very reluctant to > > > certify to a code base. > > > > Statements of compatibility will almost > always be > > > made against > > > > specific binary distributions, rather than to > > > source code. > > > > > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in > more > > > detail, and has also > > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style > > > programme, (such as > > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent > > > Linux), but I don't > > > > think it is that straightforward, and at the > > > moment, we only have > > > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris > name > > > (i.e. you can call > > > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > > > > > If you can make any progress on these > challenges, > > > it will indeed be > > > > most valuable. > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> Given my limited programming skills, I > thought it > > > would be best to > > > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > > >> > > > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris > > > compatible" programme > > > >> which is part information for customers, > and part > > > promotional spot/plug > > > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly > > > support our hardware through > > > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the > provision of > > > specifications or work > > > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the > device > > > itself - for example, > > > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a > > > proprietary database like > > > >> structure such as an iPod. > > > >> > > > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, > customers > > > who wish to run > > > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which > > > they can choose from > > > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging > > > from chipsets to mp3 > > > >> players. > > > >> > > > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be > that they > > > will have a visible > > > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' > > > communication board as a form of > > > >> marketing; making their hardware more > desirable > > > over others,and thus > > > >> push up sales of those companies willing to > > > help/support the OpenSolaris > > > >> community. > > > >> > > > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, > > > and will most a much more > > > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it > would > > > be best to give a 'heads > > > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community > as a > > > whole are willing to > > > >> get behind this programme as part of the > over all > > > marketing push. > > > >> > > > >> Awaiting replies and input, > > > >> > > > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > -- > Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops > http://blogs.sun.com/timf > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Mar 20 05:37:37 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:37:37 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <45FFD462.4000300@sun.com> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> <45FFD462.4000300@sun.com> Message-ID: <1174394257.14419.346.camel@haiiro> Hi there, On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from? Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be somewhere prominent I think. Perhaps the "System requirements" link on get.opensolaris.org ? Maybe also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ? > Is Nevada going to be different? Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based on pretty recent Nevada bits.. cheers, tim > Sara > > Tim Foster wrote: > > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > > > > > > Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware > > Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something > > that could be based off the HCL?) > > > > Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris > > HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, > > or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? > > > > More at > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ > > > > > > Have you seen the device detection tool: > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html > > > > If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if > > their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from > > that. > > > > cheers, > > tim > > > > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > > HI, > > > > > > I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out > > > to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size > > > (less than 50K)) > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be > > > very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing > > > community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right > > > place. Any ideas? > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name > > > > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on > > > > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - > > > > basically a grid like formation. > > > > > > > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, > > > > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, > > > > if any, software do I need to download and install to make > > > > it possible to access the device. > > > > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a > > > > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note > > > > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital > > > > camera[1] > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of my mp3 player: > > > > > > > > iAudio X5 30GB > > > > > > > > Feature: OpenSolaris > > > > > > > > Ogg Playback Yes > > > > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate > > > > download (provide > > > > link to third party > > > > packaging site) > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > Kaiwai, > > > > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. > > > > And your help would > > > > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with > > > > this is the fact > > > > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution > > > > to be compatible > > > > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with > > > > Solaris, and the Solaris > > > > Ready program has been mentioned. > > > > > > > > Is there a way to put together a program that would > > > > indicate > > > > compatibility across all distributions? We can work > > > > on the TM once we > > > > figure out the program. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > > > > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an > > > > activity like this is > > > > > that people will always be very reluctant to > > > > certify to a code base. > > > > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be > > > > made against > > > > > specific binary distributions, rather than to > > > > source code. > > > > > > > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more > > > > detail, and has also > > > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style > > > > programme, (such as > > > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent > > > > Linux), but I don't > > > > > think it is that straightforward, and at the > > > > moment, we only have > > > > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name > > > > (i.e. you can call > > > > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > > > > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, > > > > it will indeed be > > > > > most valuable. > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > >> Hi, > > > > >> > > > > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it > > > > would be best to > > > > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > > > >> > > > > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris > > > > compatible" programme > > > > >> which is part information for customers, and part > > > > promotional spot/plug > > > > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly > > > > support our hardware through > > > > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of > > > > specifications or work > > > > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device > > > > itself - for example, > > > > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a > > > > proprietary database like > > > > >> structure such as an iPod. > > > > >> > > > > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers > > > > who wish to run > > > > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which > > > > they can choose from > > > > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging > > > > from chipsets to mp3 > > > > >> players. > > > > >> > > > > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they > > > > will have a visible > > > > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' > > > > communication board as a form of > > > > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable > > > > over others,and thus > > > > >> push up sales of those companies willing to > > > > help/support the OpenSolaris > > > > >> community. > > > > >> > > > > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, > > > > and will most a much more > > > > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would > > > > be best to give a 'heads > > > > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a > > > > whole are willing to > > > > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all > > > > marketing push. > > > > >> > > > > >> Awaiting replies and input, > > > > >> > > > > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Mar 20 07:05:59 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:05:59 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <1174394257.14419.346.camel@haiiro> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> <45FFD462.4000300@sun.com> <1174394257.14419.346.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <45FFEA47.3050107@sun.com> Let's ask Derek about adding links in those two places. I would think that the driver community should have some involvement there too??? Sara Tim Foster wrote: > Hi there, > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from? >> > > Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be > somewhere prominent I think. > > Perhaps the "System requirements" link on get.opensolaris.org ? Maybe > also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ? > > >> Is Nevada going to be different? >> > > Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL > does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based > on pretty recent Nevada bits.. > > cheers, > tim > > >> Sara >> >> Tim Foster wrote: >> >>>> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme >>>> >>>> >>> Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware >>> Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something >>> that could be based off the HCL?) >>> >>> Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris >>> HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, >>> or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? >>> >>> More at >>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ >>> >>> >>> Have you seen the device detection tool: >>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html >>> >>> If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if >>> their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results >>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from >>> that. >>> >>> cheers, >>> tim >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >>> >>> >>>> HI, >>>> >>>> I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out >>>> to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size >>>> (less than 50K)) >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: >>>> Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be >>>> very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing >>>> community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right >>>> place. Any ideas? >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >>>> > Hi, >>>> > >>>> > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name >>>> > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on >>>> > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - >>>> > basically a grid like formation. >>>> > >>>> > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, >>>> > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, >>>> > if any, software do I need to download and install to make >>>> > it possible to access the device. >>>> > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a >>>> > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note >>>> > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital >>>> > camera[1] >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> > In the case of my mp3 player: >>>> > >>>> > iAudio X5 30GB >>>> > >>>> > Feature: OpenSolaris >>>> > >>>> > Ogg Playback Yes >>>> > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate >>>> > download (provide >>>> > link to third party >>>> > packaging site) >>>> > >>>> > Matt >>>> > >>>> > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: >>>> > Kaiwai, >>>> > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. >>>> > And your help would >>>> > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with >>>> > this is the fact >>>> > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution >>>> > to be compatible >>>> > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with >>>> > Solaris, and the Solaris >>>> > Ready program has been mentioned. >>>> > >>>> > Is there a way to put together a program that would >>>> > indicate >>>> > compatibility across all distributions? We can work >>>> > on the TM once we >>>> > figure out the program. >>>> > Sara >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Patrick Finch wrote: >>>> > > Hi Kaiwai, >>>> > > >>>> > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an >>>> > activity like this is >>>> > > that people will always be very reluctant to >>>> > certify to a code base. >>>> > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be >>>> > made against >>>> > > specific binary distributions, rather than to >>>> > source code. >>>> > > >>>> > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more >>>> > detail, and has also >>>> > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style >>>> > programme, (such as >>>> > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent >>>> > Linux), but I don't >>>> > > think it is that straightforward, and at the >>>> > moment, we only have >>>> > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name >>>> > (i.e. you can call >>>> > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). >>>> > > >>>> > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, >>>> > it will indeed be >>>> > > most valuable. >>>> > > >>>> > > best regards >>>> > > >>>> > > Patrick >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >>>> > >> Hi, >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it >>>> > would be best to >>>> > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris >>>> > compatible" programme >>>> > >> which is part information for customers, and part >>>> > promotional spot/plug >>>> > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly >>>> > support our hardware through >>>> > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of >>>> > specifications or work >>>> > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device >>>> > itself - for example, >>>> > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a >>>> > proprietary database like >>>> > >> structure such as an iPod. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers >>>> > who wish to run >>>> > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which >>>> > they can choose from >>>> > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging >>>> > from chipsets to mp3 >>>> > >> players. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they >>>> > will have a visible >>>> > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' >>>> > communication board as a form of >>>> > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable >>>> > over others,and thus >>>> > >> push up sales of those companies willing to >>>> > help/support the OpenSolaris >>>> > >> community. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, >>>> > and will most a much more >>>> > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would >>>> > be best to give a 'heads >>>> > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a >>>> > whole are willing to >>>> > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all >>>> > marketing push. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Awaiting replies and input, >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Kaiwai Gardiner >>>> > >> >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>> > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>> > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 07:15:20 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:15:20 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <45FFEA47.3050107@sun.com> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> <45FFD462.4000300@sun.com> <1174394257.14419.346.camel@haiiro> <45FFEA47.3050107@sun.com> Message-ID: Hi, You're right - there needs however to be a divorce between the OpenSolaris community and Sun/Solaris itself - Sun seems to be not interesting in catering to enthusiasts, small shop programmers and basically anyone who 'falls outside' the fortune 500 list of people. OpenSolaris community needs to create that bridge between the OpenSolaris project and end users which creates and inclusive environment which is stuffy and over corporatised. With that being said, once this has been set up, my next push is for bounties for Solaris issues to be addressed by those who wouldn't otherwise contribute to an open source community - to speed up development in areas which are not being focused on by the Sun developers but end users would like addressed. Matt On 3/21/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Let's ask Derek about adding links in those two places. I would think > that the driver community should have some involvement there too??? > Sara > > Tim Foster wrote: > > Hi there, > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from? > > Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be > somewhere prominent I think. > > Perhaps the "System requirements" link on get.opensolaris.org ? Maybe > also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ? > > Is Nevada going to be different? > > Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL > does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based > on pretty recent Nevada bits.. > > cheers, > tim > > Sara > > Tim Foster wrote: > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware > Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something > that could be based off the HCL?) > > Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris > HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, > or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? > > More at > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ > > > Have you seen the device detection tool:http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html > > If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if > their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the resultshttp://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from > that. > > cheers, > tim > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > HI, > > I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out > to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size > (less than 50K)) > > Matt > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be > very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing > community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right > place. Any ideas? > Sara > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name > > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on > > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - > > basically a grid like formation. > > > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, > > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, > > if any, software do I need to download and install to make > > it possible to access the device. > > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a > > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note > > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital > > camera[1] > > > > In the case of my mp3 player: > > > > iAudio X5 30GB > > > > Feature: OpenSolaris > > > > Ogg Playback Yes > > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate > > download (provide > > link to third party > > packaging site) > > > > Matt > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > Kaiwai, > > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. > > And your help would > > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with > > this is the fact > > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution > > to be compatible > > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with > > Solaris, and the Solaris > > Ready program has been mentioned. > > > > Is there a way to put together a program that would > > indicate > > compatibility across all distributions? We can work > > on the TM once we > > figure out the program. > > Sara > > > > > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an > > activity like this is > > > that people will always be very reluctant to > > certify to a code base. > > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be > > made against > > > specific binary distributions, rather than to > > source code. > > > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more > > detail, and has also > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style > > programme, (such as > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent > > Linux), but I don't > > > think it is that straightforward, and at the > > moment, we only have > > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name > > (i.e. you can call > > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, > > it will indeed be > > > most valuable. > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it > > would be best to > > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > >> > > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris > > compatible" programme > > >> which is part information for customers, and part > > promotional spot/plug > > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly > > support our hardware through > > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of > > specifications or work > > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device > > itself - for example, > > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a > > proprietary database like > > >> structure such as an iPod. > > >> > > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers > > who wish to run > > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which > > they can choose from > > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging > > from chipsets to mp3 > > >> players. > > >> > > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they > > will have a visible > > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' > > communication board as a form of > > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable > > over others,and thus > > >> push up sales of those companies willing to > > help/support the OpenSolaris > > >> community. > > >> > > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, > > and will most a much more > > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would > > be best to give a 'heads > > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a > > whole are willing to > > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all > > marketing push. > > >> > > >> Awaiting replies and input, > > >> > > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Mar 20 07:31:29 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:31:29 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FE4E80.1080104@sun.com> <45FEAF21.4020101@sun.com> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> <45FFD462.4000300@sun.com> <1174394257.14419.346.camel@haiiro> <45FFEA47.3050107@sun.com> Message-ID: <45FFF041.1060602@sun.com> I feel obligated to point out that the open sourcing of the code shows Sun's interest in catering to enthusiasts. Your suggestion for content is really good and I think will be very useful. Let's move forward and see where we can take it. Sara Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Hi, > > You're right - there needs however to be a divorce between the > OpenSolaris community and Sun/Solaris itself - Sun seems to be not > interesting in catering to enthusiasts, small shop programmers and > basically anyone who 'falls outside' the fortune 500 list of people. > > OpenSolaris community needs to create that bridge between the > OpenSolaris project and end users which creates and inclusive > environment which is stuffy and over corporatised. > > With that being said, once this has been set up, my next push is for > bounties for Solaris issues to be addressed by those who wouldn't > otherwise contribute to an open source community - to speed up > development in areas which are not being focused on by the Sun > developers but end users would like addressed. > > Matt > > On 3/21/07, *Sara Dornsife* > wrote: > > Let's ask Derek about adding links in those two places. I would > think that the driver community should have some involvement there > too??? > Sara > > > Tim Foster wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from? >>> >> Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be >> somewhere prominent I think. >> >> Perhaps the "System requirements" link on >> get.opensolaris.org ? Maybe >> also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ? >> >> >> >>> Is Nevada going to be different? >>> >> Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL >> does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based >> on pretty recent Nevada bits.. >> >> cheers, >> tim >> >> >> >>> Sara >>> >>> Tim Foster wrote: >>> >>>>> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware >>>> Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something >>>> that could be based off the HCL?) >>>> >>>> Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris >>>> >>>> HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, >>>> or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? >>>> >>>> More at >>>> >>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Have you seen the device detection tool: >>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html >>>> >>>> If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if >>>> their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results >>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from >>>> that. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> >>>> tim >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> HI, >>>>> >>>>> I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out >>>>> to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size >>>>> (less than 50K)) >>>>> >>>>> Matt >>>>> >>>>> On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be >>>>> >>>>> very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing >>>>> community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right >>>>> place. Any ideas? >>>>> Sara >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >>>>> > Hi, >>>>> > >>>>> > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name >>>>> > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on >>>>> >>>>> > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - >>>>> > basically a grid like formation. >>>>> > >>>>> > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, >>>>> > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, >>>>> >>>>> > if any, software do I need to download and install to make >>>>> > it possible to access the device. >>>>> > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a >>>>> > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note >>>>> >>>>> > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital >>>>> > camera[1] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> > In the case of my mp3 player: >>>>> > >>>>> > iAudio X5 30GB >>>>> > >>>>> > Feature: OpenSolaris >>>>> > >>>>> > Ogg Playback Yes >>>>> >>>>> > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate >>>>> > download (provide >>>>> > link to third party >>>>> > packaging site) >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > Matt >>>>> > >>>>> > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Kaiwai, >>>>> > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. >>>>> > And your help would >>>>> > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with >>>>> >>>>> > this is the fact >>>>> > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution >>>>> > to be compatible >>>>> > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with >>>>> >>>>> > Solaris, and the Solaris >>>>> > Ready program has been mentioned. >>>>> > >>>>> > Is there a way to put together a program that would >>>>> > indicate >>>>> >>>>> > compatibility across all distributions? We can work >>>>> > on the TM once we >>>>> > figure out the program. >>>>> > Sara >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Patrick Finch wrote: >>>>> > > Hi Kaiwai, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an >>>>> >>>>> > activity like this is >>>>> > > that people will always be very reluctant to >>>>> > certify to a code base. >>>>> > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be >>>>> >>>>> > made against >>>>> > > specific binary distributions, rather than to >>>>> > source code. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more >>>>> >>>>> > detail, and has also >>>>> > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style >>>>> > programme, (such as >>>>> > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent >>>>> >>>>> > Linux), but I don't >>>>> > > think it is that straightforward, and at the >>>>> > moment, we only have >>>>> > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name >>>>> >>>>> > (i.e. you can call >>>>> > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). >>>>> > > >>>>> > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, >>>>> >>>>> > it will indeed be >>>>> > > most valuable. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > best regards >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Patrick >>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >>>>> > >> Hi, >>>>> > >> >>>>> >>>>> > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it >>>>> > would be best to >>>>> > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. >>>>> > >> >>>>> >>>>> > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris >>>>> > compatible" programme >>>>> > >> which is part information for customers, and part >>>>> >>>>> > promotional spot/plug >>>>> > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly >>>>> > support our hardware through >>>>> > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of >>>>> >>>>> > specifications or work >>>>> > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device >>>>> > itself - for example, >>>>> > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a >>>>> >>>>> > proprietary database like >>>>> > >> structure such as an iPod. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers >>>>> >>>>> > who wish to run >>>>> > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which >>>>> > they can choose from >>>>> > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging >>>>> >>>>> > from chipsets to mp3 >>>>> > >> players. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they >>>>> > will have a visible >>>>> >>>>> > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' >>>>> > communication board as a form of >>>>> > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable >>>>> >>>>> > over others,and thus >>>>> > >> push up sales of those companies willing to >>>>> > help/support the OpenSolaris >>>>> > >> community. >>>>> > >> >>>>> >>>>> > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, >>>>> > and will most a much more >>>>> > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would >>>>> > be best to give a 'heads >>>>> >>>>> > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a >>>>> > whole are willing to >>>>> > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all >>>>> >>>>> > marketing push. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Awaiting replies and input, >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Kaiwai Gardiner >>>>> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>> > >> >>>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>> > > >>>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>> >>>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 08:06:09 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:06:09 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <45FFF041.1060602@sun.com> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> <45FFD462.4000300@sun.com> <1174394257.14419.346.camel@haiiro> <45FFEA47.3050107@sun.com> <45FFF041.1060602@sun.com> Message-ID: Hi, Ok, maybe I was getting a little ahead of myself; but there seems to be a lack of communication, which is the more correct assertion I'm trying to make, in that, as an end user, who has seen device driving rocketing forward on *BSD's, one has to wonder what is happening with Sun. If there is development happening at Sun, there needs to be an channel where by communication between enthusiasts exist; what is being developed on, conduct a poll on what end users would like seeing supported in the way of wireless chipsets, for example. When there is the lack of the communication, as mentioned, it can be interpreted as 'shunning the enthusiast community' by not asking for their input in what needs to be developed; yes, Fortune 500 customers are nice to get close to, but word of mouth evangelism and maintaining links with the grass roots will also help drive OpenSolaris adoption by those who can make decisions in deployment as well as those who are looking for a itch to scratch beyond the Linux/GNU community. Matty On 3/21/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > I feel obligated to point out that the open sourcing of the code shows > Sun's interest in catering to enthusiasts. > > Your suggestion for content is really good and I think will be very > useful. Let's move forward and see where we can take it. > Sara > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Hi, > > You're right - there needs however to be a divorce between the OpenSolaris > community and Sun/Solaris itself - Sun seems to be not interesting in > catering to enthusiasts, small shop programmers and basically anyone who > 'falls outside' the fortune 500 list of people. > > OpenSolaris community needs to create that bridge between the OpenSolaris > project and end users which creates and inclusive environment which is > stuffy and over corporatised. > > With that being said, once this has been set up, my next push is for > bounties for Solaris issues to be addressed by those who wouldn't otherwise > contribute to an open source community - to speed up development in areas > which are not being focused on by the Sun developers but end users would > like addressed. > > Matt > > On 3/21/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > Let's ask Derek about adding links in those two places. I would think > > that the driver community should have some involvement there too??? > > Sara > > > > Tim Foster wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from? > > > > Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be > > somewhere prominent I think. > > > > Perhaps the "System requirements" link on > > get.opensolaris.org ? Maybe > > also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ? > > > > > > Is Nevada going to be different? > > > > Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL > > does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based > > on pretty recent Nevada bits.. > > > > cheers, > > tim > > > > > > Sara > > > > Tim Foster wrote: > > > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > > > Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware > > Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something > > that could be based off the HCL?) > > > > Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris > > > > HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, > > or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? > > > > More at > > > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ > > > > > > Have you seen the device detection tool:http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html > > > > If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if > > their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the resultshttp://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from > > that. > > > > cheers, > > > > tim > > > > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > HI, > > > > I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out > > to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size > > (less than 50K)) > > > > Matt > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife > > wrote: > > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be > > > > very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing > > community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right > > place. Any ideas? > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name > > > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on > > > > > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - > > > basically a grid like formation. > > > > > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, > > > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, > > > > > if any, software do I need to download and install to make > > > it possible to access the device. > > > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a > > > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note > > > > > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital > > > camera[1] > > > > > > > In the case of my mp3 player: > > > > > > iAudio X5 30GB > > > > > > Feature: OpenSolaris > > > > > > Ogg Playback Yes > > > > > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate > > > download (provide > > > link to third party > > > packaging site) > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife > > wrote: > > > Kaiwai, > > > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. > > > And your help would > > > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with > > > > > this is the fact > > > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution > > > to be compatible > > > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with > > > > > Solaris, and the Solaris > > > Ready program has been mentioned. > > > > > > Is there a way to put together a program that would > > > indicate > > > > > compatibility across all distributions? We can work > > > on the TM once we > > > figure out the program. > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an > > > > > activity like this is > > > > that people will always be very reluctant to > > > certify to a code base. > > > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be > > > > > made against > > > > specific binary distributions, rather than to > > > source code. > > > > > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more > > > > > detail, and has also > > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style > > > programme, (such as > > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent > > > > > Linux), but I don't > > > > think it is that straightforward, and at the > > > moment, we only have > > > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name > > > > > (i.e. you can call > > > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, > > > > > it will indeed be > > > > most valuable. > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > > > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it > > > would be best to > > > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > > >> > > > > > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris > > > compatible" programme > > > >> which is part information for customers, and part > > > > > promotional spot/plug > > > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly > > > support our hardware through > > > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of > > > > > specifications or work > > > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device > > > itself - for example, > > > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a > > > > > proprietary database like > > > >> structure such as an iPod. > > > >> > > > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers > > > > > who wish to run > > > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which > > > they can choose from > > > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging > > > > > from chipsets to mp3 > > > >> players. > > > >> > > > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they > > > will have a visible > > > > > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' > > > communication board as a form of > > > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable > > > > > over others,and thus > > > >> push up sales of those companies willing to > > > help/support the OpenSolaris > > > >> community. > > > >> > > > > > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, > > > and will most a much more > > > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would > > > be best to give a 'heads > > > > > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a > > > whole are willing to > > > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all > > > > > marketing push. > > > >> > > > >> Awaiting replies and input, > > > >> > > > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > > > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > >> > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Mar 20 09:21:07 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:21:07 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <45FF4B09.5080501@sun.com> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> <45FFD462.4000300@sun.com> <1174394257.14419.346.camel@haiiro> <45FFEA47.3050107@sun.com> <45FFF041.1060602@sun.com> Message-ID: <460009F3.40300@sun.com> I don't want to get off the positive topic that you brought up initially - creating more content that will be helpful to new (and experienced) users. That's how we grow our base of enthusiasts. Sara Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Hi, > > Ok, maybe I was getting a little ahead of myself; but there seems to > be a lack of communication, which is the more correct assertion I'm > trying to make, in that, as an end user, who has seen device driving > rocketing forward on *BSD's, one has to wonder what is happening with > Sun. > > If there is development happening at Sun, there needs to be an channel > where by communication between enthusiasts exist; what is being > developed on, conduct a poll on what end users would like seeing > supported in the way of wireless chipsets, for example. > > When there is the lack of the communication, as mentioned, it can be > interpreted as 'shunning the enthusiast community' by not asking for > their input in what needs to be developed; yes, Fortune 500 customers > are nice to get close to, but word of mouth evangelism and maintaining > links with the grass roots will also help drive OpenSolaris adoption > by those who can make decisions in deployment as well as those who are > looking for a itch to scratch beyond the Linux/GNU community. > > Matty > > On 3/21/07, *Sara Dornsife* > wrote: > > I feel obligated to point out that the open sourcing of the code > shows Sun's interest in catering to enthusiasts. > > Your suggestion for content is really good and I think will be > very useful. Let's move forward and see where we can take it. > > Sara > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You're right - there needs however to be a divorce between the >> OpenSolaris community and Sun/Solaris itself - Sun seems to be >> not interesting in catering to enthusiasts, small shop >> programmers and basically anyone who 'falls outside' the fortune >> 500 list of people. >> >> OpenSolaris community needs to create that bridge between the >> OpenSolaris project and end users which creates and inclusive >> environment which is stuffy and over corporatised. >> >> With that being said, once this has been set up, my next push is >> for bounties for Solaris issues to be addressed by those who >> wouldn't otherwise contribute to an open source community - to >> speed up development in areas which are not being focused on by >> the Sun developers but end users would like addressed. >> >> Matt >> >> On 3/21/07, *Sara Dornsife* > > wrote: >> >> Let's ask Derek about adding links in those two places. I >> would think that the driver community should have some >> involvement there too??? >> Sara >> >> >> Tim Foster wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> >>> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: >>> >>>> Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from? >>>> >>> Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be >>> somewhere prominent I think. >>> >>> Perhaps the "System requirements" link on >>> >>> get.opensolaris.org ? Maybe >>> also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Is Nevada going to be different? >>>> >>> Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL >>> does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based >>> on pretty recent Nevada bits.. >>> >>> cheers, >>> tim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> Tim Foster wrote: >>>> >>>>>> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware >>>>> Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something >>>>> that could be based off the HCL?) >>>>> >>>>> Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, >>>>> or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? >>>>> >>>>> More at >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have you seen the device detection tool: >>>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html >>>>> >>>>> If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if >>>>> their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results >>>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from >>>>> that. >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> tim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> HI, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out >>>>>> to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size >>>>>> (less than 50K)) >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing >>>>>> community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right >>>>>> place. Any ideas? >>>>>> Sara >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name >>>>>> > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - >>>>>> > basically a grid like formation. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, >>>>>> >>>>>> > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, >>>>>> >>>>>> > if any, software do I need to download and install to make >>>>>> > it possible to access the device. >>>>>> > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a >>>>>> >>>>>> > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note >>>>>> >>>>>> > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital >>>>>> > camera[1] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> > In the case of my mp3 player: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > iAudio X5 30GB >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Feature: OpenSolaris >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Ogg Playback Yes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate >>>>>> > download (provide >>>>>> > link to third party >>>>>> > packaging site) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Matt >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > Kaiwai, >>>>>> > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. >>>>>> > And your help would >>>>>> > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > this is the fact >>>>>> > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution >>>>>> > to be compatible >>>>>> > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Solaris, and the Solaris >>>>>> > Ready program has been mentioned. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Is there a way to put together a program that would >>>>>> > indicate >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > compatibility across all distributions? We can work >>>>>> > on the TM once we >>>>>> > figure out the program. >>>>>> > Sara >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Patrick Finch wrote: >>>>>> > > Hi Kaiwai, >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > activity like this is >>>>>> > > that people will always be very reluctant to >>>>>> > certify to a code base. >>>>>> > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > made against >>>>>> > > specific binary distributions, rather than to >>>>>> > source code. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > detail, and has also >>>>>> > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style >>>>>> > programme, (such as >>>>>> > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Linux), but I don't >>>>>> > > think it is that straightforward, and at the >>>>>> > moment, we only have >>>>>> > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > (i.e. you can call >>>>>> > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > it will indeed be >>>>>> > > most valuable. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > best regards >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Patrick >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >>>>>> > >> Hi, >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it >>>>>> > would be best to >>>>>> > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris >>>>>> > compatible" programme >>>>>> > >> which is part information for customers, and part >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > promotional spot/plug >>>>>> > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly >>>>>> > support our hardware through >>>>>> > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > specifications or work >>>>>> > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device >>>>>> > itself - for example, >>>>>> > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > proprietary database like >>>>>> > >> structure such as an iPod. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > who wish to run >>>>>> > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which >>>>>> > they can choose from >>>>>> > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > from chipsets to mp3 >>>>>> > >> players. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they >>>>>> > will have a visible >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' >>>>>> > communication board as a form of >>>>>> > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > over others,and thus >>>>>> > >> push up sales of those companies willing to >>>>>> > help/support the OpenSolaris >>>>>> > >> community. >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, >>>>>> > and will most a much more >>>>>> > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would >>>>>> >>>>>> > be best to give a 'heads >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a >>>>>> > whole are willing to >>>>>> > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > marketing push. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Awaiting replies and input, >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Kaiwai Gardiner >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >>>>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 20:50:34 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:50:34 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships In-Reply-To: <460009F3.40300@sun.com> References: <1174274246.25029.8.camel@unknown> <1174383402.14419.10.camel@haiiro> <45FFD462.4000300@sun.com> <1174394257.14419.346.camel@haiiro> <45FFEA47.3050107@sun.com> <45FFF041.1060602@sun.com> <460009F3.40300@sun.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm going to unsubscribe from marketing - its clear from my experience in IRC today that I am not wanted in the OpenSolaris community - I'll let someone else be the 'sucker' given the attitude which I was given. Thank you for positive comments by some of the guys (and girls) here. Matt On 3/21/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > I don't want to get off the positive topic that you brought up initially > - creating more content that will be helpful to new (and experienced) users. > That's how we grow our base of enthusiasts. > Sara > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Hi, > > Ok, maybe I was getting a little ahead of myself; but there seems to be a > lack of communication, which is the more correct assertion I'm trying to > make, in that, as an end user, who has seen device driving rocketing forward > on *BSD's, one has to wonder what is happening with Sun. > > If there is development happening at Sun, there needs to be an channel > where by communication between enthusiasts exist; what is being developed > on, conduct a poll on what end users would like seeing supported in the way > of wireless chipsets, for example. > > When there is the lack of the communication, as mentioned, it can be > interpreted as 'shunning the enthusiast community' by not asking for their > input in what needs to be developed; yes, Fortune 500 customers are nice to > get close to, but word of mouth evangelism and maintaining links with the > grass roots will also help drive OpenSolaris adoption by those who can make > decisions in deployment as well as those who are looking for a itch to > scratch beyond the Linux/GNU community. > > Matty > > On 3/21/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > I feel obligated to point out that the open sourcing of the code shows > > Sun's interest in catering to enthusiasts. > > > > Your suggestion for content is really good and I think will be very > > useful. Let's move forward and see where we can take it. > > Sara > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > You're right - there needs however to be a divorce between the > > OpenSolaris community and Sun/Solaris itself - Sun seems to be not > > interesting in catering to enthusiasts, small shop programmers and basically > > anyone who 'falls outside' the fortune 500 list of people. > > > > OpenSolaris community needs to create that bridge between the > > OpenSolaris project and end users which creates and inclusive environment > > which is stuffy and over corporatised. > > > > With that being said, once this has been set up, my next push is for > > bounties for Solaris issues to be addressed by those who wouldn't otherwise > > contribute to an open source community - to speed up development in areas > > which are not being focused on by the Sun developers but end users would > > like addressed. > > > > Matt > > > > On 3/21/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > > > Let's ask Derek about adding links in those two places. I would think > > > that the driver community should have some involvement there too??? > > > Sara > > > > > > Tim Foster wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > > > > > Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from? > > > > > > Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be > > > somewhere prominent I think. > > > > > > Perhaps the "System requirements" link on > > > > > > get.opensolaris.org ? Maybe > > > also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is Nevada going to be different? > > > > > > Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL > > > does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based > > > on pretty recent Nevada bits.. > > > > > > cheers, > > > tim > > > > > > > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > Tim Foster wrote: > > > > > > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme > > > > > > Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware > > > Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something > > > that could be based off the HCL?) > > > > > > Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris > > > > > > > > > HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that, > > > or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ? > > > > > > More at > > > > > > > > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ > > > > > > > > > Have you seen the device detection tool:http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html > > > > > > If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if > > > their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the resultshttp://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from > > > that. > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > tim > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out > > > to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size > > > (less than 50K)) > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife > > > > > > wrote: > > > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be > > > > > > > > > very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing > > > community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right > > > place. Any ideas? > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name > > > > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on > > > > > > > > > > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions - > > > > basically a grid like formation. > > > > > > > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player, > > > > > > > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what, > > > > > > > if any, software do I need to download and install to make > > > > it possible to access the device. > > > > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a > > > > > > > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note > > > > > > > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital > > > > camera[1] > > > > > > > > > > In the case of my mp3 player: > > > > > > > > iAudio X5 30GB > > > > > > > > Feature: OpenSolaris > > > > > > > > Ogg Playback Yes > > > > > > > > > > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate > > > > download (provide > > > > link to third party > > > > packaging site) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Kaiwai, > > > > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great. > > > > And your help would > > > > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with > > > > > > > > > > this is the fact > > > > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution > > > > to be compatible > > > > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with > > > > > > > > > > Solaris, and the Solaris > > > > Ready program has been mentioned. > > > > > > > > Is there a way to put together a program that would > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > compatibility across all distributions? We can work > > > > on the TM once we > > > > figure out the program. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Finch wrote: > > > > > Hi Kaiwai, > > > > > > > > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an > > > > > > > > > > activity like this is > > > > > that people will always be very reluctant to > > > > certify to a code base. > > > > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be > > > > > > > > > > made against > > > > > specific binary distributions, rather than to > > > > source code. > > > > > > > > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more > > > > > > > > > > detail, and has also > > > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style > > > > programme, (such as > > > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent > > > > > > > > > > Linux), but I don't > > > > > think it is that straightforward, and at the > > > > moment, we only have > > > > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name > > > > > > > > > > (i.e. you can call > > > > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris"). > > > > > > > > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges, > > > > > > > > > > it will indeed be > > > > > most valuable. > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > >> Hi, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it > > > > would be best to > > > > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris > > > > compatible" programme > > > > >> which is part information for customers, and part > > > > > > > > > > promotional spot/plug > > > > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly > > > > support our hardware through > > > > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of > > > > > > > > > > specifications or work > > > > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device > > > > itself - for example, > > > > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a > > > > > > > > > > proprietary database like > > > > >> structure such as an iPod. > > > > >> > > > > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers > > > > > > > > > > who wish to run > > > > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which > > > > they can choose from > > > > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging > > > > > > > > > > from chipsets to mp3 > > > > >> players. > > > > >> > > > > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they > > > > will have a visible > > > > > > > > > > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community' > > > > communication board as a form of > > > > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable > > > > > > > > > > over others,and thus > > > > >> push up sales of those companies willing to > > > > help/support the OpenSolaris > > > > >> community. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme, > > > > and will most a much more > > > > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would > > > > > > > be best to give a 'heads > > > > > > > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a > > > > whole are willing to > > > > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all > > > > > > > > > > marketing push. > > > > >> > > > > >> Awaiting replies and input, > > > > >> > > > > >> Kaiwai Gardiner > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > >> > > > > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > > > > > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 05:52:54 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:52:54 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <45F5D212.1030703@sun.com> Message-ID: <12549429.1174481610165.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Firstly what is needed is an 'education' programme; a push that focus's on "OpenSolaris' for the masses rather than a blog post geared towards the coding boffins out there - almost like an infomercial on OpenSolaris, installing, so forth. Also, one of the major problems as far as I see is a lack of communication as to where OpenSolaris has come from and where it is going - a time line to lay out the development process, where abouts programmers are in the time line, what the goals are of the specific project are, what measurements are being used as to whether a particular goal/milestone has been met. Matt This message posted from opensolaris.org From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Wed Mar 21 06:34:51 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:34:51 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <12549429.1174481610165.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <12549429.1174481610165.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <1174484091.24498.378.camel@haiiro> On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 05:52 -0700, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Firstly what is needed is an 'education' programme; a push that > focus's on "OpenSolaris' for the masses rather than a blog post geared > towards the coding boffins out there - almost like an infomercial on > OpenSolaris, installing, so forth. Have you seen: http://frsun.downloads.edgesuite.net/sun/07C00892/index.html [ which was put together by some folks in the FROSUG, and is included in the OpenSolaris starter kit ] In general, there's a content community that's tasked with this sort of thing - http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/content/ would you feel like writing an article or two ? > Also, one of the major problems as far as I see is a lack of > communication as to where OpenSolaris has come from and where it is > going - a time line to lay out the development process, where abouts > programmers are in the time line, what the goals are of the specific > project are, what measurements are being used as to whether a > particular goal/milestone has been met. That's a difficult one to crack - if you follow Glynn's weekly OpenSolaris news, he documents a fair bit of the ongoing work of the community there. Also, check out the monthly newsletters that are produced. I agree with you, to an extent - in that it's hard to track the progress of many projects: you pretty much need to keep up with discussions/announcements any project that you're interested in. All communication is done in the open though, so it should be just a case of having enough ears and time to take it all in - something I think that the weekly/monthly newsletters are trying to capture. At the IE-OSUG meetings, I try to give a picture of what's been going on for the past month, but again, it's a manual process - trawling though opensolaris-announce archives, the weekly/monthly newsletters and anything else that catches my eye on blogs or wherever. Do you have any suggestions as to how to do this better, or better yet, feel like helping out - I know Glynn's interested in eventually getting more people to help with the weekly summaries: http://www.gnome.org/~gman/blog/20032007 cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 07:22:55 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:22:55 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: perceptions of OpenSolaris In-Reply-To: <1174484091.24498.378.camel@haiiro> References: <12549429.1174481610165.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <1174484091.24498.378.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: On 3/22/07, Tim Foster wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 05:52 -0700, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Firstly what is needed is an 'education' programme; a push that > > focus's on "OpenSolaris' for the masses rather than a blog post geared > > towards the coding boffins out there - almost like an infomercial on > > OpenSolaris, installing, so forth. > > Have you seen: > http://frsun.downloads.edgesuite.net/sun/07C00892/index.html > [ which was put together by some folks in the FROSUG, and is included in > the OpenSolaris starter kit ] > > In general, there's a content community that's tasked with this sort of > thing - http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/content/ would you feel > like writing an article or two ? What I'd like to do is do a 'Solaris as used by Joe Average' with me being Joe Average, talking about my experience running OpenSolaris Express (once build 60 is made available) and my experience getting it up and running, and the problems I encounter. Not only to be used as a tool for first timers to see that OpenSolaris is for more than just 'geeks', but with the problems I encounter, it'll spark off dialogue on those areas which might have not been addressed otherwise - "I didn't realise that setting something up that way could be confusing". > Also, one of the major problems as far as I see is a lack of > > communication as to where OpenSolaris has come from and where it is > > going - a time line to lay out the development process, where abouts > > programmers are in the time line, what the goals are of the specific > > project are, what measurements are being used as to whether a > > particular goal/milestone has been met. > > That's a difficult one to crack - if you follow Glynn's weekly > OpenSolaris news, he documents a fair bit of the ongoing work of the > community there. Also, check out the monthly newsletters that are > produced. > > I agree with you, to an extent - in that it's hard to track the progress > of many projects: you pretty much need to keep up with > discussions/announcements any project that you're interested in. All > communication is done in the open though, so it should be just a case of > having enough ears and time to take it all in - something I think that > the weekly/monthly newsletters are trying to capture. > > At the IE-OSUG meetings, I try to give a picture of what's been going on > for the past month, but again, it's a manual process - trawling though > opensolaris-announce archives, the weekly/monthly newsletters and > anything else that catches my eye on blogs or wherever. > > Do you have any suggestions as to how to do this better, or better yet, > feel like helping out - I know Glynn's interested in eventually getting > more people to help with the weekly summaries: > http://www.gnome.org/~gman/blog/20032007 Hmm, not necessarily a recap, but more each project needs to have a project leader/mentor who will announce at the beginning of the week some key things he would like his 'team' to work on fixing/addressing/mending - not necessarily an arbitrary target but more a goal, milestone for the week, beyond ones own 'pet projects'. As these things progress, the team leader posts on the team wiki what is happening, can they address the problem that week, what possible issues they're confronting as they address the set of problems , will the feature be delayed? if so, the guestimated time it'll take to over come the obstacles what are the obstacles? - give an insight into the development process - case in point, one could be a new feature being added support for a device, obtaining the source code, going into the legalities behind porting it to Solaris, the possible technical problems that might be encountered during the porting of the driver; same could be said for a particular library or service being ported to OpenSolaris. Its more about an open dialogue than anything else; not necessarily a long winded story, but even if it includes a one liner of, "trouble when porting library to Solaris; features missing in certain parts further down the tool chain, might delay the merging of the library in until those issues have been addressed". For a 'technically knowledgeable' person, it may sound stupid posting all these things, but for the enthusiast, it brings them into the development fold, allows them to be a fly on the wall, seeing things develop and know why, for example, their widget isn't supported yet or why or what to expect in an up coming build. Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This message posted from opensolaris.org From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Mar 23 03:36:59 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:36:59 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose In-Reply-To: <12018517.1174644717029.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <12018517.1174644717029.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <4603adcb.7ih94BR9Si+lR6lF%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Amey Abhyankar wrote: > She use to visit India when we have "GNU nify" event in Pune city every year in Jan/Feb. It's a big event to unite Open mind's . This is not the first time she spreads this lie. I did have a long discussion with Andy Tucker (Solaris Chief engineer at that time and responsible for the OpenSolaris project) in September and I know that there never was such an intention. Note that it is the GPL that causes the incompatibility and that incompatibilities only hit you in case that you make bigger changes to CDDL code (making it a "derived work" from a GPL work) and then mix the code to a single project, or if you let CDDLd code call GPLd code. If you let a GPLd project "just use" CDDLd code, there is no problem. So the important message is: The fact that the GPL is incompatible to the CDDL does not forbid any possible code combination. Just read the GPL or ask a lawyer for possible combinations. J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Mar 23 05:45:24 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:45:24 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? Message-ID: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Hi, before it is too late and children will be infiltrated by MS software anywhere on the world, we need Solaris in the Intel competitive HW made against the One Laptop per Child initative. http://www.classmatepc.com/classmatepc-system-hardware.html J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Casper.Dik at Sun.COM Fri Mar 23 08:11:41 2007 From: Casper.Dik at Sun.COM (Casper.Dik at Sun.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:11:41 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <200703231512.l2NFCH2Q009367@vaticaan.holland.sun.com> >Is this just a packaging issue? Can Solaris run on "small" machines?= > Are there implementations which run on really tiny things like cell= > phones and the like? GUI installer issue. Casper From Darren.Moffat at Sun.COM Fri Mar 23 08:13:15 2007 From: Darren.Moffat at Sun.COM (Darren J Moffat) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:13:15 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <4603EE8B.1060006@Sun.COM> Stewart, David C wrote: > I can ask around and see if there is an opportunity here for Solaris as well. Believe the classmate PC has been going on long before the Sun-Intel alliance. > > One thing I noticed is that the HW platform described only has 256MB of memory. When I tried to install an OpenSolaris build the other day on a machine with 512MB, the install failed due to my machine not having enough memory - wanted 796MB or some such. > > Is this just a packaging issue? Can Solaris run on "small" machines? Are there implementations which run on really tiny things like cell phones and the like? It can run on machines with less than 796Mb. Try selecting a text base install and don't pick the developer option - you can manually install the NetBeans and Studio stuff after the install. -- Darren J Moffat From david.c.stewart at intel.com Fri Mar 23 08:05:30 2007 From: david.c.stewart at intel.com (Stewart, David C) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:05:30 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> I can ask around and see if there is an opportunity here for Solaris as well. Believe the classmate PC has been going on long before the Sun-Intel alliance. One thing I noticed is that the HW platform described only has 256MB of memory. When I tried to install an OpenSolaris build the other day on a machine with 512MB, the install failed due to my machine not having enough memory - wanted 796MB or some such. Is this just a packaging issue? Can Solaris run on "small" machines? Are there implementations which run on really tiny things like cell phones and the like? Dave -----Original Message----- From: opensolaris-discuss-bounces at opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-discuss-bounces at opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Schilling Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:45 AM To: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org; opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org Subject: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? Hi, before it is too late and children will be infiltrated by MS software anywhere on the world, we need Solaris in the Intel competitive HW made against the One Laptop per Child initative. http://www.classmatepc.com/classmatepc-system-hardware.html J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org From darkjoker at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 08:13:08 2007 From: darkjoker at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ignacio_Marambio_Cat=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:13:08 -0300 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: On 3/23/07, Stewart, David C wrote: > I can ask around and see if there is an opportunity here for Solaris as well. Believe the classmate PC has been going on long before the Sun-Intel alliance. > > One thing I noticed is that the HW platform described only has 256MB of memory. When I tried to install an OpenSolaris build the other day on a machine with 512MB, the install failed due to my machine not having enough memory - wanted 796MB or some such. > the developer version wants 796 mb to install, the regular 512mb but that is just solaris' installer bitching, try nexenta there if possible. i used to run early nevada releases with 256mb but it crawls when it start jds and mozilla nacho From Brian.Nitz at Sun.COM Fri Mar 23 10:16:51 2007 From: Brian.Nitz at Sun.COM (Brian Nitz) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:16:51 +0000 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: <4603EE8B.1060006@Sun.COM> References: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> <4603EE8B.1060006@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <46040B83.30900@sun.com> I've been long interested in reducing Solaris's footprint. This wasn't possible with the monolithic "Solaris" distribution, just as it isn't possible to install RHEL4 onto a mobile phone. But Nexenta and Belenix both have a smaller footprint than Sun's server focused distribution and of you want to reduce further, look at: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15397 An "appliance" community exists: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=98 which shares the goal of creating a slim solaris. The only reason Solaris has stayed off two of my cast-away machines and another machine donated to a local convent is that the installer takes too much memory. Darren J Moffat wrote: > Stewart, David C wrote: >> I can ask around and see if there is an opportunity here for Solaris >> as well. Believe the classmate PC has been going on long before the >> Sun-Intel alliance. >> >> One thing I noticed is that the HW platform described only has 256MB >> of memory. When I tried to install an OpenSolaris build the other >> day on a machine with 512MB, the install failed due to my machine not >> having enough memory - wanted 796MB or some such. >> >> Is this just a packaging issue? Can Solaris run on "small" >> machines? Are there implementations which run on really tiny things >> like cell phones and the like? > > It can run on machines with less than 796Mb. Try selecting a text > base install and don't pick the developer option - you can manually > install the NetBeans and Studio stuff after the install. > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Mar 23 13:04:58 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:04:58 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne pod in Sun booth Message-ID: <460432EA.4050900@sun.com> Hey folks, OpenSolaris has a pod in the Sun booth for JavaOne (May 8-12 in San Francisco). Would anyone like to volunteer to work in the booth? I can offer an exhibits only pass and the opportunity to speak to Java developers :). You don't have to volunteer for the whole thing. Any amount of time on any of the days would be great. Please let me know. Thanks, Sara From Alan.DuBoff at Sun.Com Fri Mar 23 14:23:14 2007 From: Alan.DuBoff at Sun.Com (Alan DuBoff) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:23:14 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] JavaOne pod in Sun booth In-Reply-To: <460432EA.4050900@sun.com> References: <460432EA.4050900@sun.com> Message-ID: <200703231423.14762.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> On Friday 23 March 2007 01:04 pm, Sara Dornsife wrote: > Hey folks, > OpenSolaris has a pod in the Sun booth for JavaOne (May 8-12 in San > Francisco). Would anyone like to volunteer to work in the booth? I can > offer an exhibits only pass and the opportunity to speak to Java > developers :). > > You don't have to volunteer for the whole thing. Any amount of time on > any of the days would be great. Please let me know. What a golden opportunity to meet and speak with Java developers. I will certainly be there for some time. Aside from such a rare opportunity to meet Java developers, I was asked last night at SVOSUG what Sun was planning for OpenSolaris Day or if one exists for JavaOne. Is there something like that, or will we be doing some type of BOF in the evening, or other? Last year didn't we do the Thirsty Bear? I wonder if we can get inside the conference this year and have a BOF as such. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 Engineering - IHV/OEM Group Advocate of Insourcing at Sun, hire people that care about our company! From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Mar 23 16:07:45 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:07:45 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] JavaOne pod in Sun booth In-Reply-To: <200703231423.14762.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> References: <460432EA.4050900@sun.com> <200703231423.14762.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> Message-ID: <46045DC1.4040102@sun.com> Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Friday 23 March 2007 01:04 pm, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> Hey folks, >> OpenSolaris has a pod in the Sun booth for JavaOne (May 8-12 in San >> Francisco). Would anyone like to volunteer to work in the booth? I can >> offer an exhibits only pass and the opportunity to speak to Java >> developers :). >> >> You don't have to volunteer for the whole thing. Any amount of time on >> any of the days would be great. Please let me know. >> > > What a golden opportunity to meet and speak with Java developers. I will > certainly be there for some time. > In order to make sure that we're covered the whole time I have to ask for schedules. When will you be available? > Aside from such a rare opportunity to meet Java developers, I was asked last > night at SVOSUG what Sun was planning for OpenSolaris Day or if one exists > for JavaOne. Is there something like that, or will we be doing some type of > BOF in the evening, or other? > OpenSolaris Day is part of CommunityOne (the thing I had asked people to submit talks for) which occurs on Monday May 7th at Moscone. We are still working out what the 4 sessions will be. The day is free. All are welcome. > Last year didn't we do the Thirsty Bear? I wonder if we can get inside the > conference this year and have a BOF as such. > We are also doing another Thirsty Bear event on Wed May 9th. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Alan.DuBoff at Sun.Com Fri Mar 23 17:26:49 2007 From: Alan.DuBoff at Sun.Com (Alan DuBoff) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:26:49 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] JavaOne pod in Sun booth In-Reply-To: <46045DC1.4040102@sun.com> References: <460432EA.4050900@sun.com> <200703231423.14762.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> <46045DC1.4040102@sun.com> Message-ID: <200703231726.49714.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> On Friday 23 March 2007 04:07 pm, Sara Dornsife wrote: > In order to make sure that we're covered the whole time I have to ask > for schedules. When will you be available? I will be up at Moscone for most of the 4 days, and not exactly sure of a schedule...haven't thought about it much as this is March, that is May. > OpenSolaris Day is part of CommunityOne (the thing I had asked people to > submit talks for) which occurs on Monday May 7th at Moscone. We are > still working out what the 4 sessions will be. The day is free. All are > welcome. Hopefuly someone is doing a "Getting Started with OpenSolaris" type session if you're thinking of attracting new members to the community. How to get Solaris/OpenSolaris installed, where to get tools (aside from what is included), how to become involved in the community, etc...I would be willing to give one on such a topic if you were interested, although I don't have one ready, I could do one. I also hope you might have a session on DTracing Java Apps. Seems like Phil Harman and John Haslam might have been interested in that. That would be an excellent pair of folks to have on that, but if not I would try to get someone such as Brendan Gregg and/or other DTrace folks to present that if they were available. I would target this as one of the 4 topics for certain. > We are also doing another Thirsty Bear event on Wed May 9th. I'll be there, but it doesn't require any schedule I don't think...;-) -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 Engineering - IHV/OEM Group Advocate of Insourcing at Sun, hire people that care about our company! From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 17:44:17 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:44:17 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: Hi, You can run a text installer, which is similar to the old Windows NT/2000/XP setup proceedure; which isn't too bad. The bigger problem is how much of the hardware is proprietary and unsupported on either Linux or some other operating system - with that being said, I assume its got all the Intel goodies; HD Audio, Integrated Video, Intel Pro/Wirelss combo - basically its a walking billboard for Intel technology. As for Sun; depends on how much money they would need to spend; 99% of the hardware is probably supported out there via *BSD licenced drivers, it would be a matter of porting it over, then stablising a build of OpenSolaris to base it on, then ontop of that - everyones favourite, testing. At the end of it, I think the question that needs to be answered is whether the grand pissing competition really worth the money that will need to be outlayed for it to happen - maybe Sun can class it as a 'charitable donation' and plonk some of the costs against tax - I'm unsure about the US tax system; but assuming that if atleast one recognised charity asks for 'Solaris on the laptop' Sun might be able to write it off. Mathew On 3/24/07, Stewart, David C wrote: > > I can ask around and see if there is an opportunity here for Solaris as > well. Believe the classmate PC has been going on long before the Sun-Intel > alliance. > > One thing I noticed is that the HW platform described only has 256MB of > memory. When I tried to install an OpenSolaris build the other day on a > machine with 512MB, the install failed due to my machine not having enough > memory - wanted 796MB or some such. > > Is this just a packaging issue? Can Solaris run on "small" machines? Are > there implementations which run on really tiny things like cell phones and > the like? > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: opensolaris-discuss-bounces at opensolaris.org [mailto: > opensolaris-discuss-bounces at opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Schilling > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:45 AM > To: opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org; opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org > Subject: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? > > Hi, > > before it is too late and children will be infiltrated by MS > software anywhere on the world, we need Solaris in the > Intel competitive HW made against the One Laptop per Child > initative. > > > http://www.classmatepc.com/classmatepc-system-hardware.html > > > J?rg > > -- > EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 > Berlin > js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) > schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: > http://schily.blogspot.com/ > URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ > ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 18:02:55 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:02:55 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] JavaOne pod in Sun booth In-Reply-To: <200703231726.49714.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> References: <460432EA.4050900@sun.com> <200703231423.14762.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> <46045DC1.4040102@sun.com> <200703231726.49714.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> Message-ID: On 3/24/07, Alan DuBoff wrote: > > On Friday 23 March 2007 04:07 pm, Sara Dornsife wrote: > > In order to make sure that we're covered the whole time I have to ask > > for schedules. When will you be available? > > I will be up at Moscone for most of the 4 days, and not exactly sure of a > schedule...haven't thought about it much as this is March, that is May. > > > OpenSolaris Day is part of CommunityOne (the thing I had asked people to > > submit talks for) which occurs on Monday May 7th at Moscone. We are > > still working out what the 4 sessions will be. The day is free. All are > > welcome. > > Hopefuly someone is doing a "Getting Started with OpenSolaris" type > session if > you're thinking of attracting new members to the community. How to get > Solaris/OpenSolaris installed, where to get tools (aside from what is > included), how to become involved in the community, etc...I would be > willing > to give one on such a topic if you were interested, although I don't have > one > ready, I could do one. > > I also hope you might have a session on DTracing Java Apps. Seems like > Phil > Harman and John Haslam might have been interested in that. That would be > an > excellent pair of folks to have on that, but if not I would try to get > someone such as Brendan Gregg and/or other DTrace folks to present that if > they were available. I would target this as one of the 4 topics for > certain. True, and offer some freebies to those who attend; the Developer Edition of Solaris Express is a great idea; hopefully the stats will change, and OpenSolaris will become the dominating platform for which Java development can occur on - and hey, if they like it, maybe they'll install it on their home computer, friends computer etc. etc. Showing the latest build will also demostrate where Solaris is heading to in the way of development - when compared to the current 'stable' release (11/06) and Developer Edition - hopefully if they see how far things have come, it might just recruit some more contributors to the OpenSolaris community. As for me, I'm running B60 of SX:CE, its rock solid, no breakages or anything, I think when people think 'express' they think the worse; thats how I viewed it when I heard those words, but I was quickly corrected that the submissions in terms of fixes and features go through the same rigorous testing as with the other Solaris development; which eased my concerns, and after installing it, I've yet to have any problems - so all is good :-) Matthew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moazam at unixville.com Sun Mar 25 12:36:48 2007 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:36:48 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] docs.sun.com down, again? Message-ID: <6170650E-A440-4F54-9721-1B5E2B39C0D4@unixville.com> Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but the links over at the public docs.sun.com site point to SWAN internal links (http://docssust.sfbay/ app/docs/prod/solaris.10) which end up going nowhere. This needs to be fixed asap. -Moazam From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Mar 26 06:38:23 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:38:23 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] docs.sun.com down, again? In-Reply-To: <6170650E-A440-4F54-9721-1B5E2B39C0D4@unixville.com> References: <6170650E-A440-4F54-9721-1B5E2B39C0D4@unixville.com> Message-ID: <4607CCCF.6090107@sun.com> Thanks Moazam. Sara Moazam Raja wrote: > Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but the links over at the public > docs.sun.com site point to SWAN internal links > (http://docssust.sfbay/app/docs/prod/solaris.10) which end up going > nowhere. > > This needs to be fixed asap. > > -Moazam > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From michelle.olson at sun.com Mon Mar 26 09:42:07 2007 From: michelle.olson at sun.com (michelle olson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:42:07 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] docs.sun.com down, again? In-Reply-To: <4607CCCF.6090107@sun.com> References: <6170650E-A440-4F54-9721-1B5E2B39C0D4@unixville.com> <4607CCCF.6090107@sun.com> Message-ID: <4607F7DF.6030906@sun.com> Hi Moazam, Thanks for the heads-up, I can't find any pointers to docssust from docs.sun.com, can you give me more specific information about exactly where the links are located? Or what are you unable to view? Is it in a collection or one specific document? Thanks, Michelle Sara Dornsife wrote: > Thanks Moazam. > Sara > > Moazam Raja wrote: >> Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but the links over at the public >> docs.sun.com site point to SWAN internal links >> (http://docssust.sfbay/app/docs/prod/solaris.10) which end up going >> nowhere. >> >> This needs to be fixed asap. >> >> -Moazam >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From moazam at unixville.com Mon Mar 26 09:45:34 2007 From: moazam at unixville.com (Moazam Raja) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:45:34 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] docs.sun.com down, again? In-Reply-To: <4607F7DF.6030906@sun.com> References: <6170650E-A440-4F54-9721-1B5E2B39C0D4@unixville.com> <4607CCCF.6090107@sun.com> <4607F7DF.6030906@sun.com> Message-ID: This was already fixed Sunday evening via Alan Hargreaves putting in a servicedesk ticket (so I was told on #opensolaris). -Moazam On Mar 26, 2007, at 9:42 AM, michelle olson wrote: > Hi Moazam, > > Thanks for the heads-up, I can't find any pointers to docssust from > docs.sun.com, can you give me more specific information about > exactly where the links are located? Or what are you unable to > view? Is it in a collection or one specific document? > > Thanks, > Michelle > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Thanks Moazam. >> Sara >> >> Moazam Raja wrote: >>> Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but the links over at the >>> public docs.sun.com site point to SWAN internal links (http:// >>> docssust.sfbay/app/docs/prod/solaris.10) which end up going nowhere. >>> >>> This needs to be fixed asap. >>> >>> -Moazam >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Mar 26 09:58:00 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:58:00 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] JavaOne pod in Sun booth In-Reply-To: <200703231726.49714.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> References: <460432EA.4050900@sun.com> <200703231423.14762.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> <46045DC1.4040102@sun.com> <200703231726.49714.Alan.DuBoff@Sun.Com> Message-ID: <4607FB98.4000000@sun.com> Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Friday 23 March 2007 04:07 pm, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> In order to make sure that we're covered the whole time I have to ask >> for schedules. When will you be available? >> > > I will be up at Moscone for most of the 4 days, and not exactly sure of a > schedule...haven't thought about it much as this is March, that is May. > > >> OpenSolaris Day is part of CommunityOne (the thing I had asked people to >> submit talks for) which occurs on Monday May 7th at Moscone. We are >> still working out what the 4 sessions will be. The day is free. All are >> welcome. >> > > Hopefuly someone is doing a "Getting Started with OpenSolaris" type session if > you're thinking of attracting new members to the community. How to get > Solaris/OpenSolaris installed, where to get tools (aside from what is > included), how to become involved in the community, etc...I would be willing > to give one on such a topic if you were interested, although I don't have one > ready, I could do one. > Ben Rockwood has volunteered to do an Introduction to OpenSolaris. If you have any comments or suggestions on that session, please share them with Ben. > I also hope you might have a session on DTracing Java Apps. Seems like Phil > Harman and John Haslam might have been interested in that. That would be an > excellent pair of folks to have on that, but if not I would try to get > someone such as Brendan Gregg and/or other DTrace folks to present that if > they were available. I would target this as one of the 4 topics for certain. > I believe, don't kill me Adam, that Adam Leventhal is going to do a DTracing your Java Apps session. > >> We are also doing another Thirsty Bear event on Wed May 9th. >> > > I'll be there, but it doesn't require any schedule I don't think...;-) > The only thing we need is a start time, which I can't remember. Stay tuned. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please let me know. > > Thanks, > Sara > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Mar 26 10:26:48 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:26:48 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] JavaOne pod in Sun booth In-Reply-To: <4607FFD1.5020208@sun.com> References: <460432EA.4050900@sun.com> <4607FFD1.5020208@sun.com> Message-ID: <46080258.7040106@sun.com> I do, and thank you. Please plan to be at the CommunityOne event too if you can. At the very least, the evening event to meet people. Sara michelle olson wrote: > Hiya Sara, > > I can help out with the booth all day May 9th if you still need folks. > > Thanks, > Michelle > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> Hey folks, >> OpenSolaris has a pod in the Sun booth for JavaOne (May 8-12 in San >> Francisco). Would anyone like to volunteer to work in the booth? I >> can offer an exhibits only pass and the opportunity to speak to Java >> developers :). >> >> You don't have to volunteer for the whole thing. Any amount of time >> on any of the days would be great. Please let me know. >> >> Thanks, >> Sara >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From tfs at uprising.net Thu Mar 29 09:34:54 2007 From: tfs at uprising.net (Tim Scanlon) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:34:54 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Nevada changes Message-ID: <22137032.1175186124029.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Hi, There's an issue I wanted to bring up that I'm hoping this is the appropriate place to point out since it affects marketing & product uptake. The Nevada released used to be documented via docs.sun.com & the feedback program links when releases were made. Since the program transitioned this stuff to opensolaris, the same summary documentation is either missing, or hard to find. It's not as if it doesn't exist, the info is usually linked from the forum announce pages, but the form is not the same, and the format loses some of the summary functionality. In any case, the result is a diminution of accessibility, and I wanted to suggest some similar remedy to the summaries that used to be a part of the releases. Sincerely, Tim Scanlon This message posted from opensolaris.org From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 20:24:30 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:24:30 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: Hi, Yes, I can understand the chicken and the egg scenario, however, one has to look at this; I went down the road today, window shopping, every laptop I had a look at down at the computer retailers had the Intel 3945 A/B/G wireless chipset - it is the most popular chipset out there, and normally coupled with the e1000g wired NIC - why, considering how wide spread the device is, is it left completely unsupported given that there is a *BSD licenced driver for it? Sure, I can understand that Sun can't support *every* device that is out there; that would be unreasonable, but given that there is currently a working relationship between Sun and Intel, just as there is a working relationship between AMD and Sun, there should be absolutely *NO* reason for Solaris not supporting all the Intel product line, just as there should be no excuse for Sun not to support the full AMD/Ati product line. Matt On 31/03/07, Shawn Walker wrote: > > On 30/03/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > HI, > > > > And if they keep the attitude of only *their* customers matter, they're > > never going to get *new* customers because they're obsessively focused > on > > their existing customer base. > > > > I'm Joe developer, I can either download OpenSolaris developer edition > and > > find none of my hardware works or I could simply run Windows, purchase > > Visual Studio, and be done with it. > > > > And no, Joe Developer aren't going to throw out their laptop or desktop > or > > purchase any extras just for the sake of 'compatibility'. > > > > Thats one developer lost, how many more have to be 'lost' before Sun > wakes > > up and realises that a person who isn't an existing customer, is a > potential > > customer - and if they're not a customer already, maybe it would be best > to > > find out *why*. > > But that's just it. You have a chicken and egg problem. > > You can't say all hardware must be supported because all people could > be your customers. > > You have to pick a target audience, which Sun has done. > > Even as Joe developer, if your hardware is new, there's a good chance > it will work (at least the parts that matter). > > I bought a lot of my hardware without Linux or Solaris in mind and it > worked just fine. > > In fact, I was able to use Solaris on my Core Duo 2 before I could use > Ubuntu. > > Regardless of what you say, the legal research thing is not "attitude" > it's necessary. > > Blindly adding hardware support in the hopes of adding customers only > leads to burning money without any guaranteed return on investment. > > How would you go to your stockholders and say, "We'd like to spend > $200 million dollars on people that aren't our customers in hopes that > they might be someday." Doesn't sound like a great business plan... > > In the meantime, people in the OpenSolaris community have an > opportunity to help drive and add new hardware support. Sun engineers > have also gone out of their way to help fix and add support for us > where needed. Outside of the community and paying customers, no one > else has much of a right to expect anything. > > As others have mentioned, there is no practical way for Sun to spend > time trying to support all of the older hardware. It has to be done > for new hardware on a going forward basis, and for old hardware on a > as-needed basis. > > I'm not a Sun employee, so ultimately its up to them, and they might > have a different view, but from what I see, they don't. > > -- > "Less is only more where more is no good." --Frank Lloyd Wright > > Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst > binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not been left unsupported. See CR 6381975; it's being worked on. Engineers are working on it now. > Sure, I can understand that Sun can't support *every* device that is > out there; that would be unreasonable, but given that there is > currently a working relationship between Sun and Intel, just as there > is a working relationship between AMD and Sun, there should be > absolutely *NO* reason for Solaris not supporting all the Intel > product line, just as there should be no excuse for Sun not to support > the full AMD/Ati product line. Sure there is. There are always budgetary, time, and other resource constraints. It's not always as simple as drawing lines between two companies and saying we should now have a driver. In any case, Intel 3945abg support is coming; but I'm sure it's not trivial, so please be patient. cheers, steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Artem.Kachitchkin at Sun.COM Fri Mar 30 22:12:25 2007 From: Artem.Kachitchkin at Sun.COM (Artem Kachitchkine) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:12:25 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <460DEDB9.50204@sun.com> > Just as others have talked about during the "GPL driver debate", if > Solaris were suddenly under the GPLv2, it wouldn't magically make > thousands of drivers available for instant use. Porting drivers is > hard work, and many times its easier to write a new one with well > documented specs than to try to port one that is poorly documented, Amen to that, coming from 10 years of driver-writing experience (Solaris, Linux, Windows, VxWorks, ...) -Artem. From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 22:22:43 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:22:43 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Audio File Support Message-ID: Hi, Just having a look around; along with hardware support, I thought it would be best to help provide a 'link database' to link up customer needs to solutions that exist for Solaris. Case in point, https://shop.fluendo.com/ who sell currently support for WMA/WMV/Mp3 playback for Solaris x86/SPARC - and from what I understand, the compresssion side of the equation will be arriving soon. Not only will this help first time users in regars to helping them resolve support issues relating to multimedia, it'll also provide a good platform in which Solaris solution provides can directly contact customers and vice versa, without needing to navigate the beaucracy that is Sun - if this provides free publicitly, hopefully it'll entice more vendors to come on board and provide Solaris editions of their software. What does everyone else thing? Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 22:29:12 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:29:12 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: On 31/03/07, Shawn Walker wrote: > > On 30/03/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Yes, I can understand the chicken and the egg scenario, however, one has > to > > look at this; I went down the road today, window shopping, every laptop > I > > had a look at down at the computer retailers had the Intel 3945 A/B/G > > wireless chipset - it is the most popular chipset out there, and > normally > > coupled with the e1000g wired NIC - why, considering how wide spread the > > device is, is it left completely unsupported given that there is a *BSD > > licenced driver for it? > > As mentioned before, just because some random piece of code is > available for a device doesn't mean that there is not a good reason > for a driver to be available. Just as OpenBSD supports many wireless > devices that Linux does not yet support, Solaris does not yet support > many devices as well -- even the "common" ones. > > Just as others have talked about during the "GPL driver debate", if > Solaris were suddenly under the GPLv2, it wouldn't magically make > thousands of drivers available for instant use. Porting drivers is > hard work, and many times its easier to write a new one with well > documented specs than to try to port one that is poorly documented, > friendly license or not. But given how easily that the OpenBSD drivers have been ported to NetBSD and FreeBSD, the 'documentation' red herring is an old wives tale. > > Sure, I can understand that Sun can't support *every* device that is out > > there; that would be unreasonable, but given that there is currently a > > working relationship between Sun and Intel, just as there is a working > > relationship between AMD and Sun, there should be absolutely *NO* reason > for > > Solaris not supporting all the Intel product line, just as there should > be > > no excuse for Sun not to support the full AMD/Ati product line. > > Given that the ATi division is still incredibly secretive about the > hardware specs, even with business that have a relationship with them, > there are reasons for not having full support. One of those reasons is > ATi. As I've mentioned to others before, I know of one company in > particular that even offered money to ATi to write a closed source > driver under nda driver and they refused to offer the necessary > specifications. I can only hope AMD will slowly change that behaviour, > but until it does, there are reasons. > > The wheels of the corporate world move *very* slowly, especially when > exchanging what each company perceives as "trade secrets" > (legitimately or not). With that sort of attitude held by AMD/Ati, then maybe Sun should put its foot down, offer them two choices, either they step up and provide a quality driver supporting their range of devices, which could be offered as a upgrade option on their Opteron machines, or Sun turn around and scrap the use of Ati graphics chipsets in all Sun products, as well as phasing out the sales of AMD based workstations. Amd *OWN* Ati now, they have no excuse; if the management at Amd don't have the back bone to lay down the law on those at Ati, then one has to ask, who is running Amd? its like when those at Sun pushing SPARC at all costs, in the midst of dropping revenue's - who was running Sun there? Put your foot down and say, "no, this is how we do it; its either my way, or the high way" and show those decenting voices the door. Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 01:18:29 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:18:29 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: On 31/03/07, Shawn Walker wrote: > > On 31/03/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > On 31/03/07, Shawn Walker wrote: > > > On 30/03/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > Yes, I can understand the chicken and the egg scenario, however, one > has > > to > > > > look at this; I went down the road today, window shopping, every > laptop > > I > > > > had a look at down at the computer retailers had the Intel 3945 > A/B/G > > > > wireless chipset - it is the most popular chipset out there, and > > normally > > > > coupled with the e1000g wired NIC - why, considering how wide spread > the > > > > device is, is it left completely unsupported given that there is a > *BSD > > > > licenced driver for it? > > > > > > As mentioned before, just because some random piece of code is > > > available for a device doesn't mean that there is not a good reason > > > for a driver to be available. Just as OpenBSD supports many wireless > > > devices that Linux does not yet support, Solaris does not yet support > > > many devices as well -- even the "common" ones. > > > > > > Just as others have talked about during the "GPL driver debate", if > > > Solaris were suddenly under the GPLv2, it wouldn't magically make > > > thousands of drivers available for instant use. Porting drivers is > > > hard work, and many times its easier to write a new one with well > > > documented specs than to try to port one that is poorly documented, > > > friendly license or not. > > > > > > But given how easily that the OpenBSD drivers have been ported to NetBSD > and > > FreeBSD, the 'documentation' red herring is an old wives tale. > > That was between BSDs. Not to Linux, Solaris, etc. If you have any > experience porting drivers, you would know it isn't that easy. > Documentation isn't a red herring either. If the driver "peeks" and > "pokes" the hardware but doesn't tell you why, you're putting > yourselves and your customers at danger by trusting that it's doing > the right thing. You're also going to have a lot of egg on your face > when you can't explain why something doesn't work and you've committed > to support the device / driver. You could always just talk to the author of the driver - its a radical concept, but you know, it just might work. Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 01:37:28 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:37:28 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Audio File Support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 31/03/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Hi, > > Just having a look around; along with hardware support, I thought it would > be best to help provide a 'link database' to link up customer needs to > solutions that exist for Solaris. > > Case in point, https://shop.fluendo.com/ who sell currently support for > WMA/WMV/Mp3 playback for Solaris x86/SPARC - and from what I understand, the > compresssion side of the equation will be arriving soon. > > Not only will this help first time users in regars to helping them resolve > support issues relating to multimedia, it'll also provide a good platform in > which Solaris solution provides can directly contact customers and vice > versa, without needing to navigate the beaucracy that is Sun - if this > provides free publicitly, hopefully it'll entice more vendors to come on > board and provide Solaris editions of their software. > > What does everyone else thing? > > Matt > Just a follow up to this; before I go ahead and do anything, I'm looking at communicating with Fluendo and OpenSound to see if some sort of "OpenSolaris Multimedia" package which at a reduce price for a packaged deal, which will bring OpenSolaris forward in regards to its multi-media capabilities - DVD play back, WMA/WMV decode/encode support through the gstreamer framework, and improved soundcard support via the use of OpenSound. Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevel at sun.com Sat Mar 31 15:01:07 2007 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:01:07 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: References: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <20070331220107.GB615863@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 05:29:12PM +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> As mentioned before, just because some random piece of code is >> available for a device doesn't mean that there is not a good reason >> for a driver to be available. Just as OpenBSD supports many >> wireless >> devices that Linux does not yet support, Solaris does not yet >> support >> many devices as well -- even the "common" ones. >> Just as others have talked about during the "GPL driver debate", if >> Solaris were suddenly under the GPLv2, it wouldn't magically make >> thousands of drivers available for instant use. Porting drivers is >> hard work, and many times its easier to write a new one with well >> documented specs than to try to port one that is poorly documented, >> friendly license or not. > > But given how easily that the OpenBSD drivers have been ported to > NetBSD and FreeBSD, the 'documentation' red herring is an old wives > tale. It's one thing to compare the BSDs which at least share a common lineage; but you can't make the same comparison for vastly different OS's like Linux<->BSD<->Solaris 'documentation' is *not* an old wives tale. If you think it's so trivial, why don't you propose the project and start porting the drivers? > > Sure, I can understand that Sun can't support *every* device that > is out > > there; that would be unreasonable, but given that there is > currently a > > working relationship between Sun and Intel, just as there is a > working > > relationship between AMD and Sun, there should be absolutely *NO* > reason for > > Solaris not supporting all the Intel product line, just as there > should be > > no excuse for Sun not to support the full AMD/Ati product line. > Given that the ATi division is still incredibly secretive about the > hardware specs, even with business that have a relationship with > them, > there are reasons for not having full support. One of those reasons > is > ATi. As I've mentioned to others before, I know of one company in > particular that even offered money to ATi to write a closed source > driver under nda driver and they refused to offer the necessary > specifications. I can only hope AMD will slowly change that > behaviour, > but until it does, there are reasons. > The wheels of the corporate world move *very* slowly, especially > when > exchanging what each company perceives as "trade secrets" > (legitimately or not). > > > With that sort of attitude held by AMD/Ati, then maybe Sun should put > its foot down, offer them two choices, either they step up and provide > a quality driver supporting their range of devices, which could be > offered as a upgrade option on their Opteron machines, or Sun turn > around and scrap the use of Ati graphics chipsets in all Sun products, > as well as phasing out the sales of AMD based workstations. > > Amd *OWN* Ati now, they have no excuse; if the management at Amd don't > have the back bone to lay down the law on those at Ati, then one has > to ask, who is running Amd? its like when those at Sun pushing SPARC > at all costs, in the midst of dropping revenue's - who was running Sun > there? Put your foot down and say, "no, this is how we do it; its > either my way, or the high way" and show those decenting voices the > door. Again, you're vastly oversimplifying things. Sun can't just toss out Ati graphics chipsets as that is tied distinctly to our choice of system board. Scrapping the system board and choosing a new motherboard option means reengineering, requalifying, and recertifying every new design. It's one thing when you are in a market dominant position like Microsoft to say "it's my way or the highway" - but Sun is *not* in that position with Solaris. cheers, steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From stevel at sun.com Sat Mar 31 15:03:37 2007 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:03:37 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Audio File Support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070331220337.GC615863@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 05:22:43PM +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Just having a look around; along with hardware support, I thought it > would be best to help provide a 'link database' to link up customer > needs to solutions that exist for Solaris. > > > > Case in point, [1]https://shop.fluendo.com/ who sell currently support > for WMA/WMV/Mp3 playback for Solaris x86/SPARC - and from what I > understand, the compresssion side of the equation will be arriving > soon. > > > > Not only will this help first time users in regars to helping them > resolve support issues relating to multimedia, it'll also provide a > good platform in which Solaris solution provides can directly contact > customers and vice versa, without needing to navigate the beaucracy > that is Sun - if this provides free publicitly, hopefully it'll entice > more vendors to come on board and provide Solaris editions of their > software. > > > > What does everyone else thing? +1, this would be a great idea. It'd be handy to have links to various software and hardware things, i.e.: I want mp3 playback - go to Fluendo (or a link to a walkthrough on build gstreamer/lame backend) I want to get my Yukon NIC up - go to Marvell's site. etc. etc. cheers, steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 19:29:25 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:29:25 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Audio File Support In-Reply-To: <20070331220337.GC615863@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <20070331220337.GC615863@jurassic-x4600.Eng.Sun.COM> Message-ID: On 01/04/07, Stephen Lau wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 05:22:43PM +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Just having a look around; along with hardware support, I thought it > > would be best to help provide a 'link database' to link up customer > > needs to solutions that exist for Solaris. > > > > Case in point, [1]https://shop.fluendo.com/ who sell currently > support > > for WMA/WMV/Mp3 playback for Solaris x86/SPARC - and from what I > > understand, the compresssion side of the equation will be arriving > > soon. > > > > Not only will this help first time users in regars to helping them > > resolve support issues relating to multimedia, it'll also provide a > > good platform in which Solaris solution provides can directly contact > > customers and vice versa, without needing to navigate the beaucracy > > that is Sun - if this provides free publicitly, hopefully it'll > entice > > more vendors to come on board and provide Solaris editions of their > > software. > > > > What does everyone else thing? > > +1, this would be a great idea. It'd be handy to have links to various > software and hardware things, i.e.: > > I want mp3 playback - go to Fluendo (or a link to a walkthrough on > build gstreamer/lame backend) > > I want to get my Yukon NIC up - go to Marvell's site. True - and the good part, free marketing for third party vendors; it'll kinda like a 'thank you for sticking with us' to those vendors who have decided to stick with providing support for Solaris. Fluendo will be an interesting situation in that, if Solaris does have WMA/WMV/etc support, it should make, in theory, moving customers from Windows desktops to Solaris desktops (be them stand alone or in a Sunray formation) - although it isn't the ideal circumstance of supporting a proprietary CODEC, its all about providing the bridge of compatibility then provide resources, through the hardware compatibility area, for migration. For example; someone owns an mp3 player, they use WMA/WMV - the ideal way to get them off that an onto ogg, is to show what devices out there support ogg file format, so when they do upgrade, they know there is a product out there which is suitable to Solaris. Same can go for graphics card; ATI refusal to provide drivers gives us a good opportunity to promote the use of NVIDIA and Intel based solutions for OpenSolaris, and hopefully with this drive, in return there will be increased sales for those two organisations which results in greater support by Nvidia and Intel for the OpenSolaris community by way of regular driver updates and so forth. Hopefully if there is enough people refusing to purchase Ati/AMD products not only in the OpenSolaris community but those in the *BSD and Linux community as well, it will send a clear message of our great displeasure at their lack of willingness to come to the negotiating table. 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In-Reply-To: References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: On 23/03/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Hi, > > You can run a text installer, which is similar to the old Windows NT/2000/XP > setup proceedure; which isn't too bad. > > The bigger problem is how much of the hardware is proprietary and > unsupported on either Linux or some other operating system - with that being > said, I assume its got all the Intel goodies; HD Audio, Integrated Video, > Intel Pro/Wirelss combo - basically its a walking billboard for Intel > technology. > > As for Sun; depends on how much money they would need to spend; 99% of the > hardware is probably supported out there via *BSD licenced drivers, it would > be a matter of porting it over, then stablising a build of OpenSolaris to > base it on, then ontop of that - everyones favourite, testing. Adding drivers to any project is not a matter of simply porting them. Legal review has to be done to ensure the origins of the code, that the license applied is really the one, that the copyrights are correct, that the people contributing the code, etc. If it were as a simple as porting the drivers, Sun would have done it a long time ago. It's always dangerous just picking up drivers from some unknown source. Significant review, testing, etc. all has to be done before they are suitable for release. Especially since kernel driver APIs tend to vary wildly between operating systems. -- "Less is only more where more is no good." --Frank Lloyd Wright Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ From binarycrusader at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 21:46:30 2007 From: binarycrusader at gmail.com (Shawn Walker) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:46:30 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F01218D77@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: On 30/03/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Yes, I can understand the chicken and the egg scenario, however, one has to > look at this; I went down the road today, window shopping, every laptop I > had a look at down at the computer retailers had the Intel 3945 A/B/G > wireless chipset - it is the most popular chipset out there, and normally > coupled with the e1000g wired NIC - why, considering how wide spread the > device is, is it left completely unsupported given that there is a *BSD > licenced driver for it? As mentioned before, just because some random piece of code is available for a device doesn't mean that there is not a good reason for a driver to be available. Just as OpenBSD supports many wireless devices that Linux does not yet support, Solaris does not yet support many devices as well -- even the "common" ones. Just as others have talked about during the "GPL driver debate", if Solaris were suddenly under the GPLv2, it wouldn't magically make thousands of drivers available for instant use. Porting drivers is hard work, and many times its easier to write a new one with well documented specs than to try to port one that is poorly documented, friendly license or not. > Sure, I can understand that Sun can't support *every* device that is out > there; that would be unreasonable, but given that there is currently a > working relationship between Sun and Intel, just as there is a working > relationship between AMD and Sun, there should be absolutely *NO* reason for > Solaris not supporting all the Intel product line, just as there should be > no excuse for Sun not to support the full AMD/Ati product line. Given that the ATi division is still incredibly secretive about the hardware specs, even with business that have a relationship with them, there are reasons for not having full support. One of those reasons is ATi. As I've mentioned to others before, I know of one company in particular that even offered money to ATi to write a closed source driver under nda driver and they refused to offer the necessary specifications. I can only hope AMD will slowly change that behaviour, but until it does, there are reasons. The wheels of the corporate world move *very* slowly, especially when exchanging what each company perceives as "trade secrets" (legitimately or not). -- "Less is only more where more is no good." --Frank Lloyd Wright Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ From binarycrusader at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 23:05:19 2007 From: binarycrusader at gmail.com (Shawn Walker) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:05:19 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris on Intel's Classmate PC? In-Reply-To: References: <4603cbe4.Z+zJFv4jGPzN+XoS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: On 31/03/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > On 31/03/07, Shawn Walker wrote: > > On 30/03/07, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > Yes, I can understand the chicken and the egg scenario, however, one has > to > > > look at this; I went down the road today, window shopping, every laptop > I > > > had a look at down at the computer retailers had the Intel 3945 A/B/G > > > wireless chipset - it is the most popular chipset out there, and > normally > > > coupled with the e1000g wired NIC - why, considering how wide spread the > > > device is, is it left completely unsupported given that there is a *BSD > > > licenced driver for it? > > > > As mentioned before, just because some random piece of code is > > available for a device doesn't mean that there is not a good reason > > for a driver to be available. Just as OpenBSD supports many wireless > > devices that Linux does not yet support, Solaris does not yet support > > many devices as well -- even the "common" ones. > > > > Just as others have talked about during the "GPL driver debate", if > > Solaris were suddenly under the GPLv2, it wouldn't magically make > > thousands of drivers available for instant use. Porting drivers is > > hard work, and many times its easier to write a new one with well > > documented specs than to try to port one that is poorly documented, > > friendly license or not. > > > But given how easily that the OpenBSD drivers have been ported to NetBSD and > FreeBSD, the 'documentation' red herring is an old wives tale. That was between BSDs. Not to Linux, Solaris, etc. If you have any experience porting drivers, you would know it isn't that easy. Documentation isn't a red herring either. If the driver "peeks" and "pokes" the hardware but doesn't tell you why, you're putting yourselves and your customers at danger by trusting that it's doing the right thing. You're also going to have a lot of egg on your face when you can't explain why something doesn't work and you've committed to support the device / driver. -- "Less is only more where more is no good." --Frank Lloyd Wright Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/