[osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships
Sara Dornsife
Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM
Tue Mar 20 06:31:29 PST 2007
I feel obligated to point out that the open sourcing of the code shows
Sun's interest in catering to enthusiasts.
Your suggestion for content is really good and I think will be very
useful. Let's move forward and see where we can take it.
Sara
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You're right - there needs however to be a divorce between the
> OpenSolaris community and Sun/Solaris itself - Sun seems to be not
> interesting in catering to enthusiasts, small shop programmers and
> basically anyone who 'falls outside' the fortune 500 list of people.
>
> OpenSolaris community needs to create that bridge between the
> OpenSolaris project and end users which creates and inclusive
> environment which is stuffy and over corporatised.
>
> With that being said, once this has been set up, my next push is for
> bounties for Solaris issues to be addressed by those who wouldn't
> otherwise contribute to an open source community - to speed up
> development in areas which are not being focused on by the Sun
> developers but end users would like addressed.
>
> Matt
>
> On 3/21/07, *Sara Dornsife* <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com
> <mailto:Sara.Dornsife at sun.com>> wrote:
>
> Let's ask Derek about adding links in those two places. I would
> think that the driver community should have some involvement there
> too???
> Sara
>
>
> Tim Foster wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from?
>>>
>> Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be
>> somewhere prominent I think.
>>
>> Perhaps the "System requirements" link on
>> get.opensolaris.org <http://get.opensolaris.org> ? Maybe
>> also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Is Nevada going to be different?
>>>
>> Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL
>> does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based
>> on pretty recent Nevada bits..
>>
>> cheers,
>> tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sara
>>>
>>> Tim Foster wrote:
>>>
>>>>> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware
>>>> Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something
>>>> that could be based off the HCL?)
>>>>
>>>> Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris
>>>>
>>>> HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that,
>>>> or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ?
>>>>
>>>> More at
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you seen the device detection tool:
>>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html
>>>>
>>>> If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if
>>>> their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results
>>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> HI,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out
>>>>> to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size
>>>>> (less than 50K))
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife
>>>>> <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> <mailto:Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> wrote:
>>>>> Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be
>>>>>
>>>>> very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing
>>>>> community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right
>>>>> place. Any ideas?
>>>>> Sara
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name
>>>>> > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on
>>>>>
>>>>> > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions -
>>>>> > basically a grid like formation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player,
>>>>> > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what,
>>>>>
>>>>> > if any, software do I need to download and install to make
>>>>> > it possible to access the device.
>>>>> > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a
>>>>> > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note
>>>>>
>>>>> > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital
>>>>> > camera[1]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > In the case of my mp3 player:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > iAudio X5 30GB
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Feature: OpenSolaris
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ogg Playback Yes
>>>>>
>>>>> > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate
>>>>> > download (provide
>>>>> > link to third party
>>>>> > packaging site)
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Matt
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com>
>>>>> <mailto:Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Kaiwai,
>>>>> > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great.
>>>>> > And your help would
>>>>> > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with
>>>>>
>>>>> > this is the fact
>>>>> > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution
>>>>> > to be compatible
>>>>> > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with
>>>>>
>>>>> > Solaris, and the Solaris
>>>>> > Ready program has been mentioned.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is there a way to put together a program that would
>>>>> > indicate
>>>>>
>>>>> > compatibility across all distributions? We can work
>>>>> > on the TM once we
>>>>> > figure out the program.
>>>>> > Sara
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Patrick Finch wrote:
>>>>> > > Hi Kaiwai,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an
>>>>>
>>>>> > activity like this is
>>>>> > > that people will always be very reluctant to
>>>>> > certify to a code base.
>>>>> > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be
>>>>>
>>>>> > made against
>>>>> > > specific binary distributions, rather than to
>>>>> > source code.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more
>>>>>
>>>>> > detail, and has also
>>>>> > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style
>>>>> > programme, (such as
>>>>> > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent
>>>>>
>>>>> > Linux), but I don't
>>>>> > > think it is that straightforward, and at the
>>>>> > moment, we only have
>>>>> > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name
>>>>>
>>>>> > (i.e. you can call
>>>>> > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris").
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > If you can make any progress on these challenges,
>>>>>
>>>>> > it will indeed be
>>>>> > > most valuable.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > best regards
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>>>> > >> Hi,
>>>>> > >>
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it
>>>>> > would be best to
>>>>> > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris
>>>>> > compatible" programme
>>>>> > >> which is part information for customers, and part
>>>>>
>>>>> > promotional spot/plug
>>>>> > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly
>>>>> > support our hardware through
>>>>> > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of
>>>>>
>>>>> > specifications or work
>>>>> > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device
>>>>> > itself - for example,
>>>>> > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a
>>>>>
>>>>> > proprietary database like
>>>>> > >> structure such as an iPod.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers
>>>>>
>>>>> > who wish to run
>>>>> > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which
>>>>> > they can choose from
>>>>> > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging
>>>>>
>>>>> > from chipsets to mp3
>>>>> > >> players.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they
>>>>> > will have a visible
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community'
>>>>> > communication board as a form of
>>>>> > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable
>>>>>
>>>>> > over others,and thus
>>>>> > >> push up sales of those companies willing to
>>>>> > help/support the OpenSolaris
>>>>> > >> community.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme,
>>>>> > and will most a much more
>>>>> > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would
>>>>> > be best to give a 'heads
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a
>>>>> > whole are willing to
>>>>> > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all
>>>>>
>>>>> > marketing push.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Awaiting replies and input,
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Kaiwai Gardiner
>>>>>
>>>>> > >>
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