[osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships
Kaiwai Gardiner
kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com
Tue Mar 20 07:06:09 PST 2007
Hi,
Ok, maybe I was getting a little ahead of myself; but there seems to be a
lack of communication, which is the more correct assertion I'm trying to
make, in that, as an end user, who has seen device driving rocketing forward
on *BSD's, one has to wonder what is happening with Sun.
If there is development happening at Sun, there needs to be an channel where
by communication between enthusiasts exist; what is being developed on,
conduct a poll on what end users would like seeing supported in the way of
wireless chipsets, for example.
When there is the lack of the communication, as mentioned, it can be
interpreted as 'shunning the enthusiast community' by not asking for their
input in what needs to be developed; yes, Fortune 500 customers are nice to
get close to, but word of mouth evangelism and maintaining links with the
grass roots will also help drive OpenSolaris adoption by those who can make
decisions in deployment as well as those who are looking for a itch to
scratch beyond the Linux/GNU community.
Matty
On 3/21/07, Sara Dornsife <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> wrote:
>
> I feel obligated to point out that the open sourcing of the code shows
> Sun's interest in catering to enthusiasts.
>
> Your suggestion for content is really good and I think will be very
> useful. Let's move forward and see where we can take it.
> Sara
>
>
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You're right - there needs however to be a divorce between the OpenSolaris
> community and Sun/Solaris itself - Sun seems to be not interesting in
> catering to enthusiasts, small shop programmers and basically anyone who
> 'falls outside' the fortune 500 list of people.
>
> OpenSolaris community needs to create that bridge between the OpenSolaris
> project and end users which creates and inclusive environment which is
> stuffy and over corporatised.
>
> With that being said, once this has been set up, my next push is for
> bounties for Solaris issues to be addressed by those who wouldn't otherwise
> contribute to an open source community - to speed up development in areas
> which are not being focused on by the Sun developers but end users would
> like addressed.
>
> Matt
>
> On 3/21/07, Sara Dornsife <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let's ask Derek about adding links in those two places. I would think
> > that the driver community should have some involvement there too???
> > Sara
> >
> > Tim Foster wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote:
> >
> > Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from?
> >
> > Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be
> > somewhere prominent I think.
> >
> > Perhaps the "System requirements" link on
> > get.opensolaris.org ? Maybe
> > also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ?
> >
> >
> > Is Nevada going to be different?
> >
> > Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL
> > does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based
> > on pretty recent Nevada bits..
> >
> > cheers,
> > tim
> >
> >
> > Sara
> >
> > Tim Foster wrote:
> >
> > What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme
> >
> > Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware
> > Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something
> > that could be based off the HCL?)
> >
> > Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris
> >
> > HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that,
> > or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ?
> >
> > More at
> >
> > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
> >
> >
> > Have you seen the device detection tool:http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html
> >
> > If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if
> > their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the resultshttp://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from
> > that.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > tim
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > HI,
> >
> > I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out
> > to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size
> > (less than 50K))
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife
> > <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> wrote:
> > Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be
> >
> > very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing
> > community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right
> > place. Any ideas?
> > Sara
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name
> > > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on
> >
> > > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions -
> > > basically a grid like formation.
> > >
> > > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player,
> > > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what,
> >
> > > if any, software do I need to download and install to make
> > > it possible to access the device.
> > > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a
> > > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note
> >
> > > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital
> > > camera[1]
> >
> >
> > > In the case of my mp3 player:
> > >
> > > iAudio X5 30GB
> > >
> > > Feature: OpenSolaris
> > >
> > > Ogg Playback Yes
> >
> > > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate
> > > download (provide
> > > link to third party
> > > packaging site)
> >
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com>
> > <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> wrote:
> > > Kaiwai,
> > > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great.
> > > And your help would
> > > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with
> >
> > > this is the fact
> > > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution
> > > to be compatible
> > > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with
> >
> > > Solaris, and the Solaris
> > > Ready program has been mentioned.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to put together a program that would
> > > indicate
> >
> > > compatibility across all distributions? We can work
> > > on the TM once we
> > > figure out the program.
> > > Sara
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick Finch wrote:
> > > > Hi Kaiwai,
> > > >
> > > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an
> >
> > > activity like this is
> > > > that people will always be very reluctant to
> > > certify to a code base.
> > > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be
> >
> > > made against
> > > > specific binary distributions, rather than to
> > > source code.
> > > >
> > > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more
> >
> > > detail, and has also
> > > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style
> > > programme, (such as
> > > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent
> >
> > > Linux), but I don't
> > > > think it is that straightforward, and at the
> > > moment, we only have
> > > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name
> >
> > > (i.e. you can call
> > > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris").
> > > >
> > > > If you can make any progress on these challenges,
> >
> > > it will indeed be
> > > > most valuable.
> > > >
> > > > best regards
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it
> > > would be best to
> > > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'.
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris
> > > compatible" programme
> > > >> which is part information for customers, and part
> >
> > > promotional spot/plug
> > > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly
> > > support our hardware through
> > > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of
> >
> > > specifications or work
> > > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device
> > > itself - for example,
> > > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a
> >
> > > proprietary database like
> > > >> structure such as an iPod.
> > > >>
> > > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers
> >
> > > who wish to run
> > > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which
> > > they can choose from
> > > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging
> >
> > > from chipsets to mp3
> > > >> players.
> > > >>
> > > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they
> > > will have a visible
> >
> > > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community'
> > > communication board as a form of
> > > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable
> >
> > > over others,and thus
> > > >> push up sales of those companies willing to
> > > help/support the OpenSolaris
> > > >> community.
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme,
> > > and will most a much more
> > > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would
> > > be best to give a 'heads
> >
> > > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a
> > > whole are willing to
> > > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all
> >
> > > marketing push.
> > > >>
> > > >> Awaiting replies and input,
> > > >>
> > > >> Kaiwai Gardiner
> >
> > > >>
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