[osol-mktg] OpenSolaris/Solaris and Hardware Partnerships
Sara Dornsife
Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM
Tue Mar 20 08:21:07 PST 2007
I don't want to get off the positive topic that you brought up initially
- creating more content that will be helpful to new (and experienced)
users. That's how we grow our base of enthusiasts.
Sara
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ok, maybe I was getting a little ahead of myself; but there seems to
> be a lack of communication, which is the more correct assertion I'm
> trying to make, in that, as an end user, who has seen device driving
> rocketing forward on *BSD's, one has to wonder what is happening with
> Sun.
>
> If there is development happening at Sun, there needs to be an channel
> where by communication between enthusiasts exist; what is being
> developed on, conduct a poll on what end users would like seeing
> supported in the way of wireless chipsets, for example.
>
> When there is the lack of the communication, as mentioned, it can be
> interpreted as 'shunning the enthusiast community' by not asking for
> their input in what needs to be developed; yes, Fortune 500 customers
> are nice to get close to, but word of mouth evangelism and maintaining
> links with the grass roots will also help drive OpenSolaris adoption
> by those who can make decisions in deployment as well as those who are
> looking for a itch to scratch beyond the Linux/GNU community.
>
> Matty
>
> On 3/21/07, *Sara Dornsife* <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com
> <mailto:Sara.Dornsife at sun.com>> wrote:
>
> I feel obligated to point out that the open sourcing of the code
> shows Sun's interest in catering to enthusiasts.
>
> Your suggestion for content is really good and I think will be
> very useful. Let's move forward and see where we can take it.
>
> Sara
>
>
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> You're right - there needs however to be a divorce between the
>> OpenSolaris community and Sun/Solaris itself - Sun seems to be
>> not interesting in catering to enthusiasts, small shop
>> programmers and basically anyone who 'falls outside' the fortune
>> 500 list of people.
>>
>> OpenSolaris community needs to create that bridge between the
>> OpenSolaris project and end users which creates and inclusive
>> environment which is stuffy and over corporatised.
>>
>> With that being said, once this has been set up, my next push is
>> for bounties for Solaris issues to be addressed by those who
>> wouldn't otherwise contribute to an open source community - to
>> speed up development in areas which are not being focused on by
>> the Sun developers but end users would like addressed.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On 3/21/07, *Sara Dornsife* <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com
>> <mailto:Sara.Dornsife at sun.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Let's ask Derek about adding links in those two places. I
>> would think that the driver community should have some
>> involvement there too???
>> Sara
>>
>>
>> Tim Foster wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 07:32 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there anywhere I should be linking to the HCL from?
>>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm scratching my head about where also - except it should be
>>> somewhere prominent I think.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the "System requirements" link on
>>>
>>> get.opensolaris.org <http://get.opensolaris.org> ? Maybe
>>> also somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is Nevada going to be different?
>>>>
>>> Yes unfortunately, there's always new hardware being added - the HCL
>>> does have a separate section for Solaris Express though, which was based
>>> on pretty recent Nevada bits..
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>>
>>>> Tim Foster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris compatible" programme
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting idea - how is this different to the Solaris Hardware
>>>>> Compatibility List ? (or are we talking about branding here - something
>>>>> that could be based off the HCL?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we instead be driving the community to add/ammend the Solaris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HCL, writing tutorials or somesuch as to how they go about doing that,
>>>>> or make more prominent links to the HCL on OpenSolaris.org ?
>>>>>
>>>>> More at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you seen the device detection tool:
>>>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html
>>>>>
>>>>> If we could get everyone using OpenSolaris to check the HCL, and then if
>>>>> their system isn't listed, to run HCTS and submit the results
>>>>> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/ then others would benefit from
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 20:00 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> HI,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll make up a mock up of it on OpenOffice.org Calc, and spit it out
>>>>>> to a PDF then post it via this avenue (if it is of a reasonable size
>>>>>> (less than 50K))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> <mailto:Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Would you be able to create this matrix? I think that would be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> very helpful to many. I can give you access to the marketing
>>>>>> community to post it, but that doesn't seem like the right
>>>>>> place. Any ideas?
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > With hardware compatibility, you can have a matrix; the name
>>>>>> > of the device up the top in the title, a list of features on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > the left hand side and along the top, the distributions -
>>>>>> > basically a grid like formation.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > So what you can do, for example, if I have an mp3 player,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > for example, which distribution will it work with, and what,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > if any, software do I need to download and install to make
>>>>>> > it possible to access the device.
>>>>>> > For classes of device, do you specify the entire class as a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > single group - eg. USB Mass Storage Devices), then note
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > exceptions that don't work, like my Sony DSC-S85 digital
>>>>>> > camera[1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > In the case of my mp3 player:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > iAudio X5 30GB
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Feature: OpenSolaris
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Ogg Playback Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Ogg CD Ripping No - Seperate
>>>>>> > download (provide
>>>>>> > link to third party
>>>>>> > packaging site)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Matt
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 3/20/07, Sara Dornsife <Sara.Dornsife at sun.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:Sara.Dornsife at sun.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Kaiwai,
>>>>>> > A hardware "compatibility" program would be great.
>>>>>> > And your help would
>>>>>> > be very appreciated. The biggest issue we face with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > this is the fact
>>>>>> > that there isn't really an OpenSolaris distribution
>>>>>> > to be compatible
>>>>>> > with. A hardware vendor can be compatible with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Solaris, and the Solaris
>>>>>> > Ready program has been mentioned.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Is there a way to put together a program that would
>>>>>> > indicate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > compatibility across all distributions? We can work
>>>>>> > on the TM once we
>>>>>> > figure out the program.
>>>>>> > Sara
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Patrick Finch wrote:
>>>>>> > > Hi Kaiwai,
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I think the biggest challenge you face in an
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > activity like this is
>>>>>> > > that people will always be very reluctant to
>>>>>> > certify to a code base.
>>>>>> > > Statements of compatibility will almost always be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > made against
>>>>>> > > specific binary distributions, rather than to
>>>>>> > source code.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Sara Dornsife has been looking into this in more
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > detail, and has also
>>>>>> > > been looking into an "ingredient button" style
>>>>>> > programme, (such as
>>>>>> > > "Intel inside" or the use of Tux to represent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Linux), but I don't
>>>>>> > > think it is that straightforward, and at the
>>>>>> > moment, we only have
>>>>>> > > what's called "fair use" of the OpenSolaris name
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > (i.e. you can call
>>>>>> > > your distribution "based on OpenSolaris").
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > If you can make any progress on these challenges,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > it will indeed be
>>>>>> > > most valuable.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > best regards
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>>>>> > >> Hi,
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >> Given my limited programming skills, I thought it
>>>>>> > would be best to
>>>>>> > >> contribute in a way which I could add 'value'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >> What I propose is a "works with", "OpenSolaris
>>>>>> > compatible" programme
>>>>>> > >> which is part information for customers, and part
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > promotional spot/plug
>>>>>> > >> for hardware vendors who either explicitly
>>>>>> > support our hardware through
>>>>>> > >> providing drivers, implicitly by the provision of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > specifications or work
>>>>>> > >> 'out of the box' due to the nature of the device
>>>>>> > itself - for example,
>>>>>> > >> an mp3 player that uses UMS rather than a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > proprietary database like
>>>>>> > >> structure such as an iPod.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> The benefits will be two fold; firstly, customers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > who wish to run
>>>>>> > >> OpenSolaris will have a list of hardware which
>>>>>> > they can choose from
>>>>>> > >> which is compatible 'out of the box' - ranging
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > from chipsets to mp3
>>>>>> > >> players.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> The benefit to hardware vendors will be that they
>>>>>> > will have a visible
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >> presence in the OpenSolaris 'community'
>>>>>> > communication board as a form of
>>>>>> > >> marketing; making their hardware more desirable
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > over others,and thus
>>>>>> > >> push up sales of those companies willing to
>>>>>> > help/support the OpenSolaris
>>>>>> > >> community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >> I'm in the process of working out a programme,
>>>>>> > and will most a much more
>>>>>> > >> detailed out line of it; but I thought it would
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > be best to give a 'heads
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >> up' and whether the 'OpenSolaris' community as a
>>>>>> > whole are willing to
>>>>>> > >> get behind this programme as part of the over all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > marketing push.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Awaiting replies and input,
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Kaiwai Gardiner
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >>
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