From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue May 1 12:00:39 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 14:00:39 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time Message-ID: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> It's that time of year. June 14th marks the 2nd anniversary of the Opening Day of OpenSolaris. And it's time for us to start celebrating, or planning our celebrating. Last year for the 1st anniversary, we did the following: - Contributed artwork for the site home page - Contributed copy for a banner ad - Contributor nominations and awards - Blogging - New tshirt and button What would you like to do this year? Personally, I'd really like to do the contributor awards again. Last year wasn't very organized, so we should work out a way to do it right. Let's move this discussion over to the mktg (advocates?) list. Like last year, we'll do everything out on that list and on an open conf call number. Sara From benr at cuddletech.com Wed May 2 10:34:28 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:34:28 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Event Proposal: OpenSolaris Picnic Message-ID: <4638CBA4.2080105@cuddletech.com> I'd like to propose an event for the Silicon Valley, which would coincide with the 2nd Anniversary activities: an OpenSolaris Picnic! Many of the people associated with OpenSolaris by various means in the Bay Area have families, and spouses hear about things we're doing, but while family may be supportive they don't get opportunities to meet all these people they hear about. I think a picnic, potentially becoming an annual event, would be an excellent way for people in OpenSolaris and the various Solaris groups at Sun (whether they consider themselves associated directly with OpenSolaris or not) could get together and have a good time with the whole family. Lots of projects and groups do similar activities in Sunnyvale at the Baylands Park: http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Parks/Baylands/ Such an activity would be inexpensive to arrange and potentially have a solid impact bringing out people who might otherwise not go to shows or SVOSUG. I'd propose the date of June 9th or June 16th. Opinions? Feedback? benr. From stevel at sun.com Wed May 2 11:59:45 2007 From: stevel at sun.com (Stephen Lau) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 11:59:45 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Event Proposal: OpenSolaris Picnic In-Reply-To: <4638CBA4.2080105@cuddletech.com> References: <4638CBA4.2080105@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <4638DFA1.8080304@sun.com> Ben Rockwood wrote: > I'd like to propose an event for the Silicon Valley, which would > coincide with the 2nd Anniversary activities: an OpenSolaris Picnic! > Many of the people associated with OpenSolaris by various means in the > Bay Area have families, and spouses hear about things we're doing, but > while family may be supportive they don't get opportunities to meet all > these people they hear about. I think a picnic, potentially becoming an > annual event, would be an excellent way for people in OpenSolaris and > the various Solaris groups at Sun (whether they consider themselves > associated directly with OpenSolaris or not) could get together and have > a good time with the whole family. > > Lots of projects and groups do similar activities in Sunnyvale at the > Baylands Park: > http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Parks/Baylands/ > > Such an activity would be inexpensive to arrange and potentially have a > solid impact bringing out people who might otherwise not go to shows or > SVOSUG. I'd propose the date of June 9th or June 16th. > > Opinions? Feedback? This could coincide nicely with an OpenSolaris food fight. ;-) GPL vs. CDDL! kidding. (mostly) Sounds like a great idea, count me in. cheers, steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 2 12:20:47 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 14:20:47 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Event Proposal: OpenSolaris Picnic In-Reply-To: <4638DFA1.8080304@sun.com> References: <4638CBA4.2080105@cuddletech.com> <4638DFA1.8080304@sun.com> Message-ID: <4638E48F.8020002@sun.com> I think it's a great idea Ben. If there is any way I can be there I will. Sara Stephen Lau wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: >> I'd like to propose an event for the Silicon Valley, which would >> coincide with the 2nd Anniversary activities: an OpenSolaris Picnic! >> Many of the people associated with OpenSolaris by various means in >> the Bay Area have families, and spouses hear about things we're >> doing, but while family may be supportive they don't get >> opportunities to meet all these people they hear about. I think a >> picnic, potentially becoming an annual event, would be an excellent >> way for people in OpenSolaris and the various Solaris groups at Sun >> (whether they consider themselves associated directly with >> OpenSolaris or not) could get together and have a good time with the >> whole family. >> >> Lots of projects and groups do similar activities in Sunnyvale at the >> Baylands Park: >> http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Parks/Baylands/ >> >> Such an activity would be inexpensive to arrange and potentially have >> a solid impact bringing out people who might otherwise not go to >> shows or SVOSUG. I'd propose the date of June 9th or June 16th. >> >> Opinions? Feedback? > > This could coincide nicely with an OpenSolaris food fight. ;-) > GPL vs. CDDL! > > kidding. (mostly) > > Sounds like a great idea, count me in. > > cheers, > steve > From michelle.olson at sun.com Wed May 2 12:31:07 2007 From: michelle.olson at sun.com (michelle olson) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:31:07 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Event Proposal: OpenSolaris Picnic In-Reply-To: <4638E48F.8020002@sun.com> References: <4638CBA4.2080105@cuddletech.com> <4638DFA1.8080304@sun.com> <4638E48F.8020002@sun.com> Message-ID: <4638E6FB.5060502@sun.com> I agree, great idea! I prefer June 9th, but could make it on either day. Thanks, Michelle Sara Dornsife wrote: > I think it's a great idea Ben. If there is any way I can be there I will. > Sara > > > Stephen Lau wrote: >> Ben Rockwood wrote: >>> I'd like to propose an event for the Silicon Valley, which would >>> coincide with the 2nd Anniversary activities: an OpenSolaris Picnic! >>> Many of the people associated with OpenSolaris by various means in >>> the Bay Area have families, and spouses hear about things we're >>> doing, but while family may be supportive they don't get >>> opportunities to meet all these people they hear about. I think a >>> picnic, potentially becoming an annual event, would be an excellent >>> way for people in OpenSolaris and the various Solaris groups at Sun >>> (whether they consider themselves associated directly with >>> OpenSolaris or not) could get together and have a good time with the >>> whole family. >>> >>> Lots of projects and groups do similar activities in Sunnyvale at >>> the Baylands Park: >>> http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Parks/Baylands/ >>> >>> >>> Such an activity would be inexpensive to arrange and potentially >>> have a solid impact bringing out people who might otherwise not go >>> to shows or SVOSUG. I'd propose the date of June 9th or June 16th. >>> >>> Opinions? Feedback? >> >> This could coincide nicely with an OpenSolaris food fight. ;-) >> GPL vs. CDDL! >> >> kidding. (mostly) >> >> Sounds like a great idea, count me in. >> >> cheers, >> steve >> > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 2 22:44:18 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 14:44:18 +0900 Subject: [osol-mktg] Event Proposal: OpenSolaris Picnic In-Reply-To: <4638E6FB.5060502@sun.com> References: <4638CBA4.2080105@cuddletech.com> <4638DFA1.8080304@sun.com> <4638E48F.8020002@sun.com> <4638E6FB.5060502@sun.com> Message-ID: <463976B2.8070801@sun.com> I can't make it but I love the idea. :) Take some goods shots of Steve's food fight for me! Jim michelle olson wrote: > I agree, great idea! I prefer June 9th, but could make it on either day. > > Thanks, > Michelle > > Sara Dornsife wrote: >> I think it's a great idea Ben. If there is any way I can be there I will. >> Sara >> >> >> Stephen Lau wrote: >>> Ben Rockwood wrote: >>>> I'd like to propose an event for the Silicon Valley, which would >>>> coincide with the 2nd Anniversary activities: an OpenSolaris Picnic! >>>> Many of the people associated with OpenSolaris by various means in >>>> the Bay Area have families, and spouses hear about things we're >>>> doing, but while family may be supportive they don't get >>>> opportunities to meet all these people they hear about. I think a >>>> picnic, potentially becoming an annual event, would be an excellent >>>> way for people in OpenSolaris and the various Solaris groups at Sun >>>> (whether they consider themselves associated directly with >>>> OpenSolaris or not) could get together and have a good time with the >>>> whole family. >>>> >>>> Lots of projects and groups do similar activities in Sunnyvale at >>>> the Baylands Park: >>>> http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Parks/Baylands/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Such an activity would be inexpensive to arrange and potentially >>>> have a solid impact bringing out people who might otherwise not go >>>> to shows or SVOSUG. I'd propose the date of June 9th or June 16th. >>>> >>>> Opinions? Feedback? >>> >>> This could coincide nicely with an OpenSolaris food fight. ;-) >>> GPL vs. CDDL! >>> >>> kidding. (mostly) >>> >>> Sounds like a great idea, count me in. >>> >>> cheers, >>> steve >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From brian.gupta at gmail.com Sun May 6 06:42:10 2007 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 09:42:10 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] reference distribution In-Reply-To: <462F016E.7020903@Sun.COM> References: <462CF5D3.80605@sun.com> <462F016E.7020903@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <5b5090780705060642v5f37c091i2baba1f114f0f7b@mail.gmail.com> > > Quick answer - I like it! > > > I like it too. :) How can I help? I like it three, what can we do to make this happen? -brian From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Sun May 6 20:09:27 2007 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:09:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: reference distribution In-Reply-To: <462E21A8.4040702@sun.com> References: <462CF5D3.80605@sun.com> <1177406199.6428.32.camel@haiiro> <462DCED4.3030805@sun.com> <1177410550.6428.65.camel@haiiro> <462E21A8.4040702@sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Stephen Lau wrote: > Tim Foster wrote: >> Do any of the existing distributions do what's being suggested ? >> [ a freely distributable reference distribution of OpenSolaris ] > > Not to my knowledge. > >> >> Schillix being the closest to Solaris would seem like a candidate, >> though it hasn't been updated in a while. >> >> Belenix has a wow-factor that's pretty cool, and fits on one CD, but >> doesn't ship the JDS consolidation. The Belenix project has definitely laid almost all the necessary groundwork though. So just add JDS to Belenix; then, for a gentoo-like update mechanism, add in pkgbuild (the JDS/SFE build-recipes repository and tools). Eric >> >> Nexenta is more aimed at GNU/Linux userland fans. Martux is sparc-only >> (isn't it?) and so cuts out a large portion of the install-base. >> >> So - we'd be left with needing to create a new distribution for this, >> possibly with worse hardware support than Solaris Express ? (unless >> there exists open source equivalents for every closed source driver >> shipping in Express ?) > > It will definitely be a subset of the hardware support of Solaris > Express since we wouldn't be able to ship drivers we don't have the > rights to. > >> Given an open source reference edition of OpenSolaris, then it'd loose, >> say Nvidia 3d support & whatever closed-source wifi/ethernet drivers are >> out there, fluendo mp3 support.. Speaking for myself, that'd make such a >> distribution less attractive for my (fictional) laptop. > > Sure - but it might be appropriate for others. I suppose I'm looking at > it from this perspective: > if I'm an OpenSolaris user group on Gilligan's Island with no Sun > employees around to give out copies of SXCE, and I've got a hundred > little islanders around me with laptops. Do I do nothing? (since I > can't distribute SXCE?) or do I give out *something* (OpenSolaris > Reference Distro), even if it may not be fully supported on everyone's > machine. > >> On the other hand, perhaps I'm not the target market. >> >> Is a reference distribution aimed at developers of new distributions, >> that is, is it intended to be used as a base for building new >> distributions from ? > > That's one use case, certainly. > >> Or is it aimed at developers of open source drivers/components for >> OpenSolaris who don't like the restrictions of running closed-binaries >> that ship in Express? > > That's another. > > > If it isn't as good as Solaris Express, then >> what, other than it's unencumbered-status would be the attraction of it >> for a casual end-user ? > > If the casual end-user has a means of getting Solaris Express, then it > wouldn't hold any additional attraction. > >> [ sorry for all the questions - I'm thinking about the answers as well, >> lest you think I'm just trying to shoot down everyone's ideas ;-) ] > > No worries, I appreciate the discussion. > > cheers, > steve > -- > stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net > opensolaris // solaris kernel development > From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Sun May 6 22:27:09 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:27:09 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> Message-ID: <7533511.1178515659917.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> I really like the old " foo(8) @ OpenSolaris " branding, and open(2) seems quite fitting for marketing materials this go around. " open(2) years and counting... " or some such on a tshirt perhaps? This message posted from opensolaris.org From Moinak.Ghosh at Sun.COM Sun May 6 22:28:42 2007 From: Moinak.Ghosh at Sun.COM (Moinak Ghosh) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:58:42 +0530 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: reference distribution In-Reply-To: References: <462CF5D3.80605@sun.com> <1177406199.6428.32.camel@haiiro> <462DCED4.3030805@sun.com> <1177410550.6428.65.camel@haiiro> <462E21A8.4040702@sun.com> Message-ID: <463EB90A.6010007@sun.com> Eric Boutilier wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Stephen Lau wrote: >> Tim Foster wrote: >>> Do any of the existing distributions do what's being suggested ? >>> [ a freely distributable reference distribution of OpenSolaris ] >> >> Not to my knowledge. >> >>> >>> Schillix being the closest to Solaris would seem like a candidate, >>> though it hasn't been updated in a while. >>> >>> Belenix has a wow-factor that's pretty cool, and fits on one CD, but >>> doesn't ship the JDS consolidation. > > The Belenix project has definitely laid almost all the > necessary groundwork though. So just add JDS to Belenix; > then, for a gentoo-like update mechanism, add in pkgbuild > (the JDS/SFE build-recipes repository and tools). After the upcoming 0.6 release, BeleniX will be migrating completely to pkgbuild and SFE and the DVD version will have complete JDS. Version 0.6 will have SVR4 packaging for a variety of stuff including ON, various drivers, Xorg 7.2 based on X Consolidation, but with complete modular Xorg tree, etc. It is too much of work to fully move to pkgbuild in 0.6, as there are several other changes (GNU parted, Extended partitions, Compiz etc.). So it will be done after that release. Regards, Moinak. > > Eric > >>> >>> Nexenta is more aimed at GNU/Linux userland fans. Martux is sparc-only >>> (isn't it?) and so cuts out a large portion of the install-base. >>> >>> So - we'd be left with needing to create a new distribution for this, >>> possibly with worse hardware support than Solaris Express ? (unless >>> there exists open source equivalents for every closed source driver >>> shipping in Express ?) >> >> It will definitely be a subset of the hardware support of Solaris >> Express since we wouldn't be able to ship drivers we don't have the >> rights to. >> >>> Given an open source reference edition of OpenSolaris, then it'd loose, >>> say Nvidia 3d support & whatever closed-source wifi/ethernet drivers >>> are >>> out there, fluendo mp3 support.. Speaking for myself, that'd make >>> such a >>> distribution less attractive for my (fictional) laptop. >> >> Sure - but it might be appropriate for others. I suppose I'm looking at >> it from this perspective: >> if I'm an OpenSolaris user group on Gilligan's Island with no Sun >> employees around to give out copies of SXCE, and I've got a hundred >> little islanders around me with laptops. Do I do nothing? (since I >> can't distribute SXCE?) or do I give out *something* (OpenSolaris >> Reference Distro), even if it may not be fully supported on everyone's >> machine. >> >>> On the other hand, perhaps I'm not the target market. >>> >>> Is a reference distribution aimed at developers of new distributions, >>> that is, is it intended to be used as a base for building new >>> distributions from ? >> >> That's one use case, certainly. >> >>> Or is it aimed at developers of open source drivers/components for >>> OpenSolaris who don't like the restrictions of running closed-binaries >>> that ship in Express? >> >> That's another. >> >> > If it isn't as good as Solaris Express, then >>> what, other than it's unencumbered-status would be the attraction of it >>> for a casual end-user ? >> >> If the casual end-user has a means of getting Solaris Express, then it >> wouldn't hold any additional attraction. >> >>> [ sorry for all the questions - I'm thinking about the answers as well, >>> lest you think I'm just trying to shoot down everyone's ideas ;-) ] >> >> No worries, I appreciate the discussion. >> >> cheers, >> steve >> -- >> stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net >> opensolaris // solaris kernel development >> > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Mon May 7 01:13:09 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:13:09 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: reference distribution In-Reply-To: References: <462CF5D3.80605@sun.com> <1177406199.6428.32.camel@haiiro> <462DCED4.3030805@sun.com> <1177410550.6428.65.camel@haiiro> <462E21A8.4040702@sun.com> Message-ID: <463edf95.vMjBJj96yf/J7e2W%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Eric Boutilier wrote: > >> Belenix has a wow-factor that's pretty cool, and fits on one CD, but > >> doesn't ship the JDS consolidation. > > The Belenix project has definitely laid almost all the > necessary groundwork though. So just add JDS to Belenix; The SchilliX project did do the necessary groundwork. Without SchilliX, other distributions would not exists or did start later.... J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Mon May 7 04:35:56 2007 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 06:35:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: reference distribution In-Reply-To: <463EB90A.6010007@sun.com> References: <462CF5D3.80605@sun.com> <1177406199.6428.32.camel@haiiro> <462DCED4.3030805@sun.com> <1177410550.6428.65.camel@haiiro> <462E21A8.4040702@sun.com> <463EB90A.6010007@sun.com> Message-ID: Excellent! On Sun, 6 May 2007, Moinak Ghosh wrote: > Eric Boutilier wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Stephen Lau wrote: >>> Tim Foster wrote: >>>> Do any of the existing distributions do what's being suggested ? >>>> [ a freely distributable reference distribution of OpenSolaris ] >>> >>> Not to my knowledge. >>> >>>> >>>> Schillix being the closest to Solaris would seem like a candidate, >>>> though it hasn't been updated in a while. >>>> >>>> Belenix has a wow-factor that's pretty cool, and fits on one CD, but >>>> doesn't ship the JDS consolidation. >> >> The Belenix project has definitely laid almost all the >> necessary groundwork though. So just add JDS to Belenix; >> then, for a gentoo-like update mechanism, add in pkgbuild >> (the JDS/SFE build-recipes repository and tools). > > After the upcoming 0.6 release, BeleniX will be migrating completely to > pkgbuild and SFE and the DVD version will have complete JDS. Version > 0.6 will have SVR4 packaging for a variety of stuff including ON, various > drivers, Xorg 7.2 based on X Consolidation, but with complete modular > Xorg tree, etc. > > It is too much of work to fully move to pkgbuild in 0.6, as there are > several other changes (GNU parted, Extended partitions, Compiz etc.). So > it will be done after that release. > > Regards, > Moinak. From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Mon May 7 04:41:10 2007 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 06:41:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: reference distribution In-Reply-To: <463edf95.vMjBJj96yf/J7e2W%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <462CF5D3.80605@sun.com> <1177406199.6428.32.camel@haiiro> <462DCED4.3030805@sun.com> <1177410550.6428.65.camel@haiiro> <462E21A8.4040702@sun.com> <463edf95.vMjBJj96yf/J7e2W%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 May 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Eric Boutilier wrote: > >>>> Belenix has a wow-factor that's pretty cool, and fits on one CD, but >>>> doesn't ship the JDS consolidation. >> >> The Belenix project has definitely laid almost all the >> necessary groundwork though. So just add JDS to Belenix; > > The SchilliX project did do the necessary groundwork. > Without SchilliX, other distributions would not exists or > did start later.... > > J?rg Joerg -- Sorry, I should have mentioned SchilliX. (I think I'm using the word "groundwork" in a different meaning and context here.) SchilliX was absolutely THE pioneering distro, and I did attempt to capture that in a little historical piece I wrote on my blog (though it's over a year old now): http://blogs.sun.com/eric_boutilier/entry/the_genesis_of_debian_gnu As for the history of Belenix, I think Moinak's blog is a good place for that. E.g. I think the following -- written in August 2005 -- is his first post (of many) about the Belenix development: http://blogs.sun.com/moinakg/entry/opensolaris_comes_alive_on_a Eric From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue May 8 03:08:14 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 11:08:14 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> Message-ID: <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> Hi Sara & All, On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 14:00 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > It's that time of year. June 14th marks the 2nd anniversary of the > Opening Day of OpenSolaris. And it's time for us to start celebrating, > or planning our celebrating. > What would you like to do this year? > Personally, I'd really like to do the contributor awards again. Last > year wasn't very organized, so we should work out a way to do it right. Yep, that sounds like a plan. As well as singling out individuals, perhaps giving the community a way to show their appreciation for particular projects/communities/distros would also be nice ? I can think of several OpenSolaris projects that have made my use of OpenSolaris much better over the past year: it'd be nice to have a way to say "Thanks!" and give them more recognition for the work they're doing. I do think it'd be worthwhile to hold another front-page graphic competition, just to see what other ideas are out there. The current "open(2)" graphic was supposed to be up for 6 months originally I think, though I'm not complaining! I also like the idea of a picnic - although it'd have to be virtual for me, I don't know if I'll be able to get across for it. Finally, I'd quite like to hear some audio interviews with folks in the OpenSolaris community - both famous and not (yet) famous, to see how they think the project has gone over the last year, what challenges face us and what we've learnt so far. Something similar to Simon's podcasts during the OGB elections, but a bit more conversational perhaps? Perhaps a roving-reporter at the OpenSolaris picnic with a mic and a list of questions would be good. Hope this helps ? cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From sch at sun.com Wed May 9 11:18:46 2007 From: sch at sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:18:46 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Re: [ug-discuss] Community Consolidation -- Marketing In-Reply-To: <6026664.1177556075295.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <46301001.8080006@Sun.COM> <6026664.1177556075295.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <20070509181846.GA23961@eng.sun.com> * Brian Gupta [2007-04-25 19:54]: > P.S. - Is there a commercial spam filter in front of the lists? Not at present. There are a set of anti-spam provisions, and most lists are configured to reject mail from non-subscribers. - Stephen -- sch at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From brian.gupta at gmail.com Wed May 9 18:20:19 2007 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:20:19 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: reference distribution In-Reply-To: <5b5090780705060642v5f37c091i2baba1f114f0f7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <16459818.1178760049162.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> I have started writing a proposal... Can you guys help me hammer it out... -Brian Proposal OpenSolaris Reference Distribution v0.1 1. Introduction and motivation 1.1 Summary This project proposes to develop and release weekly distributions that would be used by OpenSolaris as their reference platform to develop on. This is similar to the role Solaris Express Community Edition plays now, But would be sustained and maintained by the OpenSolaris community, rather than Sun. The problem with SXCS is that it is not OpenSolaris, but rather a commercial operating system built by Sun. One of the serious issues with this approach, is that developing OpenSolaris code on a Solaris distribution does not provide any technical guarantees that the resulting code in unencumbered. The motivation behind this proposal is to change the development environment as it exists today, to put all distributions on equal footing. If the development platform is unencumbered there is a fair amount of certainty that the resulting code will be as well. 1.2 History and context Until recently Solaris and OpenSolaris were controlled by the same organization, Sun Microsystems. Recently OpenSolaris became an independent organization, with it's own governing structures and Constitution. After this independence OpenSolaris did not start producing their own reference distribution, instead continuing to rely on Sun's Solaris Express Community Edition weekly releases. 2. Discussion 2.1 Functionality There are certain certain bits in Solaris that have not been released to the community. This new Reference Distribution would be built without those components. Applicable suitable open source replacements would be found. If there isn't a suitable replacement, it would be incumbent upon the OpenSolaris community to develop suitable replacements. 2.2 Components Our starting point would be a stripped down version of the Belenix distro, as it is the closest distro that mirrors SXCE. 2.3 Documentation 2.4 Future projects 3. Interfaces 3.1 Imported interfaces 3.2 Exported interfaces Bundled files 4. References This message posted from opensolaris.org From alan.coopersmith at sun.com Wed May 9 18:28:25 2007 From: alan.coopersmith at sun.com (Alan Coopersmith) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:28:25 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: reference distribution In-Reply-To: <16459818.1178760049162.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <16459818.1178760049162.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <46427539.5010706@sun.com> Brian Gupta wrote: > One of the serious issues with this approach, is that developing > OpenSolaris code on a Solaris distribution does not provide any > technical guarantees that the resulting code in unencumbered. Huh? This doesn't make any sense. What encumberance do you get from developing on a platform? > After this independence OpenSolaris did not start producing their > own reference distribution, instead continuing to rely on Sun's > Solaris Express Community Edition weekly releases. biweekly, not weekly. > There are certain certain bits in Solaris that have not been released > to the community. This new Reference Distribution would be built > without those components. Applicable suitable open source > replacements would be found. If there isn't a suitable replacement, > it would be incumbent upon the OpenSolaris community to develop > suitable replacements. Would you include those released in binary form under the binary redistribution license? What platforms will you be doing this for? SPARC? x86? x64? -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From brian.gupta at gmail.com Wed May 9 19:23:00 2007 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 22:23:00 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: reference distribution In-Reply-To: <46427539.5010706@sun.com> References: <16459818.1178760049162.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <46427539.5010706@sun.com> Message-ID: <5b5090780705091923i680fe652r5c2f48fd8cb68ff6@mail.gmail.com> First let me say that this proposal was started in a vacumn, so we can scrap it if neccesary, and start from scratch. > > One of the serious issues with this approach, is that developing > > OpenSolaris code on a Solaris distribution does not provide any > > technical guarantees that the resulting code in unencumbered. > > Huh? This doesn't make any sense. What encumbrance do you get from > developing on a platform? Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't you have to rely on closed bits to include internationalization features in your program.. > > After this independence OpenSolaris did not start producing their > > own reference distribution, instead continuing to rely on Sun's > > Solaris Express Community Edition weekly releases. > > biweekly, not weekly. Sorry, my mistake. > > There are certain certain bits in Solaris that have not been released > > to the community. This new Reference Distribution would be built > > without those components. Applicable suitable open source > > replacements would be found. If there isn't a suitable replacement, > > it would be incumbent upon the OpenSolaris community to develop > > suitable replacements. > > Would you include those released in binary form under the binary > redistribution license? You lost me here. Are you referring to closed source Sun bits? My feeling is that we would not. > What platforms will you be doing this for? SPARC? x86? x64? I would hope that I would not be alone in this effort, and yes it would be for all of the above. (ISO's would be generated by the OpenSolaris community, just as Sun does now. (This would not replace the SXCE builds, but complement them. Basically the reference build would bt the build I am proposing. Sun could take that and add there bits, adding or removing any components as they see fit, and running from there. (Even footing for all distros.) From sik350z at yahoo.com Wed May 16 08:48:10 2007 From: sik350z at yahoo.com (Andre Lue) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:48:10 PDT Subject: [osol-mktg] Opensolaris and usage rights Message-ID: <17917366.1179330520970.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Greets, If someone built an appliance for sale, would it be legally ok for the operating system to be opensolaris? thanks for your response in advance Andre' This message posted from opensolaris.org From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 16 08:50:43 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:50:43 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Opensolaris and usage rights In-Reply-To: <17917366.1179330520970.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <17917366.1179330520970.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <464B2853.6090705@sun.com> Yes. The appliance would be, "built on OpenSolaris". Want to share what you are building? Sara Andre Lue wrote: > Greets, > > If someone built an appliance for sale, would it be legally ok for the operating system to be opensolaris? > > thanks for your response in advance > Andre' > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > From dclarke at blastwave.org Wed May 16 10:18:29 2007 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Opensolaris and usage rights In-Reply-To: <464B2853.6090705@sun.com> References: <17917366.1179330520970.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <464B2853.6090705@sun.com> Message-ID: <53634.66.225.151.225.1179335909.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > Yes. The appliance would be, "built on OpenSolaris". > > Want to share what you are building? I can tell you that I have already built a "product" prototype that has a 1.2 GHz proc, 1GB RAM, dual IDE disks and all the usual. The real issue is that the RealTek ethernet is not yet supported by the rge driver. Thus : http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=29869&tstart=120 I have been working with Masa Murayama to fix some issues with gani that can be found here : http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ I expect to have a box that will work well with snv_63 and up. I also looked at BeleniX also. I am thinking $500 and under for this development box. Dual mirrored IDE disks would be nice also but I suspect that may force me into the $600 range and I want to avoid that. I think that the Apple Mac Mini has that sort of entry level price on it and I'd like to be under that by a fair chunk of money. Dennis Clarke From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 16 11:41:24 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:41:24 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Opensolaris and usage rights In-Reply-To: <53634.66.225.151.225.1179335909.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <17917366.1179330520970.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <464B2853.6090705@sun.com> <53634.66.225.151.225.1179335909.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <464B5054.8020407@sun.com> So this is your project Dennis? Sara Dennis Clarke wrote: >> Yes. The appliance would be, "built on OpenSolaris". >> >> Want to share what you are building? >> > > I can tell you that I have already built a "product" prototype that has a > 1.2 GHz proc, 1GB RAM, dual IDE disks and all the usual. The real issue is > that the RealTek ethernet is not yet supported by the rge driver. > > Thus : > > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=29869&tstart=120 > > I have been working with Masa Murayama to fix some issues with gani that > can be found here : > > http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ > > I expect to have a box that will work well with snv_63 and up. > I also looked at BeleniX also. I am thinking $500 and under for > this development box. Dual mirrored IDE disks would be nice also > but I suspect that may force me into the $600 range and I want to > avoid that. I think that the Apple Mac Mini has that sort of > entry level price on it and I'd like to be under that by a fair > chunk of money. > > Dennis Clarke > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dclarke at blastwave.org Wed May 16 11:59:20 2007 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Opensolaris and usage rights In-Reply-To: <464B5054.8020407@sun.com> References: <17917366.1179330520970.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <464B2853.6090705@sun.com> <53634.66.225.151.225.1179335909.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <464B5054.8020407@sun.com> Message-ID: <55726.66.225.151.225.1179341960.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > So this is your project Dennis? yes, one of many. I am working to get the RTL8110SC gigabit ethernet chip working well btu thus far, with Solaris 10 update 3, Solarsi 10 Update 4 beta, Solaris Nevada snv_63 and with snv_55b I get a crash after the network driver loads : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/RTL8110SC/messages There is nothing in the messages file about the crash, no core dump. The machine simply halts. I can install and boot fine. Everything seems to work well *except* for the RealTek ethernet. As soon as I have that sorted out then .. looks like everything can work. I will then look at BeleniX with the new driver. Dennis From Joey.Guo at Sun.COM Thu May 17 08:06:43 2007 From: Joey.Guo at Sun.COM (joey) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:06:43 +0800 Subject: [osol-mktg] [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: OpenSolaris Programming Contest in China Academic Developers Message-ID: <464C6F83.9040306@sun.com> Hi Folks, Attached please find the Project proposal for the OpenSolaris programming contest in China academic developers. Your comments and backing are appreciated! Thanks, -- Joey Guo, University Program Manager Sun China Engineering & Research Institute Tel: (86)10-62673245 Mobile: (86)13701115218 http://blogs.sun.com/JoeyGuo http://opentech.org.cn http://eri.prc/wiki/univ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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This message posted from opensolaris.org From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri May 18 04:54:42 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:54:42 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like In-Reply-To: References: <4717559.1178774899003.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <1178835881.333184.24.camel@unknown> <4643A4DF.2090802@sun.com> <4646AAEC.6040300@sun.com> <464CEBDF.5010506@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <464D9402.8030807@sun.com> Alan, for clarity's sake: when you say it is dumb to market OpenSolaris, do you mean it is dumb to place adverts about OpenSolaris, or something more? regards patrick Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Fri, 18 May 2007, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> Alan DuBoff wrote: >> >>> OpenSolaris should belong to the community, the community should >>> decide it's destiny, the community should be the sum of the entire >>> community. Yes, Sun is a part of that, but it is only a part. It's >>> not up to Sun to determine the destiny, IMO, and once revenue streams >>> are attached to OpenSolaris, there seems more chance of that >>> happening. Bottom line is that Sun needs to be careful with it's >>> power, because it's not the only entity in the community. >> >> >> I think the Charter and Governance articulate pretty well that the >> OpenSolaris Community controls its own destiny: >> >> ARTICLE II: ... "The OpenSolaris Community has the authority and >> responsibility for all decisions pertaining to the OpenSolaris >> software and collaborative infrastructure within the scope defined by >> the OpenSolaris Charter." >> >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/governance/ >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/cab/charter.pdf > > Sure, but the problem with that is that the majority of the community > and OGB is Sun employees. Sun can use their power to pay people to work > on OpenSolaris, which is good, but it can also swing the scales in their > favor. > > Let's say the community does want to market OpenSolaris (I think that's > kind of a dumb idea, but let's play along)...would they consult with Sun > marketing do you think? I mean, has Sun marketing be that stellar in the > past that those would be the folks that this community would turn to? > > I don't know if hiring Ian was good or not, but it was certainly better > than some of the ads I've seen Sun run in the past, or the conent that > has been on the website. Some of the posters I've seen at Sun are some > of the worst marketing I've seen, ever. Stuff that is complicated, has > so much info that it can't be absorbed, and leaves the viewer wondering, > "WTF is the point?" while scratching their head. > > Now contrast some of that with some of Apples ads. A sillouette and an > ipod, the only thing the sign says is "ipod", and it just clicks with > people. A large billboard of the MacBook Pro 17" and all it says on the > TFT is "Actual Size". These are effective ads. > > Take the other side of Sun Marketing, there was an ad with a single V880 > in a lab. What is that about?:-/ With Apple ads you know what it's about > somehow, there is no secrets. > > -- > > Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris.org From alan.duboff at sun.com Fri May 18 10:40:52 2007 From: alan.duboff at sun.com (Alan DuBoff) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like In-Reply-To: <464D9402.8030807@sun.com> References: <4717559.1178774899003.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <1178835881.333184.24.camel@unknown> <4643A4DF.2090802@sun.com> <4646AAEC.6040300@sun.com> <464CEBDF.5010506@Sun.COM> <464D9402.8030807@sun.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 May 2007, Patrick Finch wrote: > for clarity's sake: when you say it is dumb to market OpenSolaris, do you > mean it is dumb to place adverts about OpenSolaris, or something more? I think it's wrong to look at OpenSolaris as a product, and treat it as such. The distributions that are built on OpenSolaris are a different story. Having Sun try to brand OpenSolaris in the community is wrong. That type of marketing comes from the Cathedral, and if anything OpenSolaris needs to move away from the Cathedral where possible. One of the very problems that exists today is that we don't have a Bazaar to speak of, and it's the Bazaar where the grass roots come from, IMO. I'm not sure what makes Sun feel they can do a better job at marketing OpenSolaris than they did marketing Solaris. In the end OpenSolaris will stand on technical merit, just as Solaris did. My $0.02. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri May 18 13:39:04 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:39:04 -0500 Subject: Project Indiana Marketing was: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> Message-ID: <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> I'm sure by now everyone has heard of "Project Indiana" and Sun's desire to create an OpenSolaris distribution with the community. This has become my focus at work. I have been asked, granted the opportunity, to build and run a marketing organization for this project. I have given offers to Glynn Foster and Patrick Finch to help drive this effort and we are all working very closely with Ian Murdock to make this happen. So, regrettably, I've been distracted. This anniversary is coming up and not enough has been done on my part to get there. I apologize. It's pretty rude to bring these things up and then neglect them. But we still have time. If we get the rules, nominations and voting in place by June 1st, I don't see any reason why we couldn't complete and announce our contributors by the 14th. I think only 2 people commented on doing this at all in the first place, so I need to know if there is still interest here. Please let me know. Sara Tim Foster wrote: > Hi Sara & All, > > On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 14:00 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> It's that time of year. June 14th marks the 2nd anniversary of the >> Opening Day of OpenSolaris. And it's time for us to start celebrating, >> or planning our celebrating. >> > > >> What would you like to do this year? >> > > >> Personally, I'd really like to do the contributor awards again. Last >> year wasn't very organized, so we should work out a way to do it right. >> > > Yep, that sounds like a plan. As well as singling out individuals, > perhaps giving the community a way to show their appreciation for > particular projects/communities/distros would also be nice ? > I can think of several OpenSolaris projects that have made my use of > OpenSolaris much better over the past year: it'd be nice to have a way > to say "Thanks!" and give them more recognition for the work they're > doing. > > > I do think it'd be worthwhile to hold another front-page graphic > competition, just to see what other ideas are out there. The current > "open(2)" graphic was supposed to be up for 6 months originally I think, > though I'm not complaining! > > I also like the idea of a picnic - although it'd have to be virtual for > me, I don't know if I'll be able to get across for it. > > Finally, I'd quite like to hear some audio interviews with folks in the > OpenSolaris community - both famous and not (yet) famous, to see how > they think the project has gone over the last year, what challenges face > us and what we've learnt so far. Something similar to Simon's podcasts > during the OGB elections, but a bit more conversational perhaps? > > Perhaps a roving-reporter at the OpenSolaris picnic with a mic and a > list of questions would be good. > > Hope this helps ? > > cheers, > tim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dclarke at blastwave.org Fri May 18 14:07:00 2007 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Project Indiana Marketing was: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> Message-ID: <36715.72.39.216.186.1179522420.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > I'm sure by now everyone has heard of "Project Indiana" and Sun's desire > to create an OpenSolaris distribution with the community. This has > become my focus at work. I have been asked, granted the opportunity, to > build and run a marketing organization for this project. What would people outside of Sun be able to do to help? I sure do get a lot of traffic here .. as you may know. Certainly some splashy graphics is not out of the question. Dennis Clarke From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri May 18 14:16:57 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:16:57 -0500 Subject: Project Indiana Marketing was: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <36715.72.39.216.186.1179522420.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <36715.72.39.216.186.1179522420.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <464E17C9.9010904@sun.com> Dennis Clarke wrote: >> I'm sure by now everyone has heard of "Project Indiana" and Sun's desire >> to create an OpenSolaris distribution with the community. This has >> become my focus at work. I have been asked, granted the opportunity, to >> build and run a marketing organization for this project. >> > > What would people outside of Sun be able to do to help? I sure do get a > lot of traffic here .. as you may know. Certainly some splashy graphics is > not out of the question. > I appreciate the offer of help, and you know I'll take you up on it. :) Last year at the anniversary we did some banner ads. I could see if we could do that again. Would that work? Sara > Dennis Clarke > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michelle.olson at sun.com Fri May 18 14:57:26 2007 From: michelle.olson at sun.com (michelle olson) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:57:26 -0700 Subject: Project Indiana Marketing was: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> Message-ID: <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> Hi, I'm still interested, I think the contributor awards are a good recognition program, let's hammer out the rules and get voting set up. I agree we should also have the graphic contest for the front page, I do plan to participate in that again, seems like we already have that process figured out, just need to announce it and set up a page for the entries, right? I love the idea of the podcasts Tim suggested and I think we need to make the picnic global. I talked to Benr about this last week and here's my idea: we ask the User Group leaders to organize a picnic to celebrate the 2nd Birthday right out side the usual user group meeting location during the week of the anniversary. This should be light-weight, just an announcement and potluck, or just beer or something simple. Tell folks to bring cameras or a recording device for podcasts. Then we post the podcasts and pictures from each picnic on all the community pages of opensoalris.org throughout the week. Thoughts? Thanks, Michelle Sara Dornsife wrote: > I'm sure by now everyone has heard of "Project Indiana" and Sun's > desire to create an OpenSolaris distribution with the community. This > has become my focus at work. I have been asked, granted the > opportunity, to build and run a marketing organization for this project. > > I have given offers to Glynn Foster and Patrick Finch to help drive > this effort and we are all working very closely with Ian Murdock to > make this happen. > > So, regrettably, I've been distracted. This anniversary is coming up > and not enough has been done on my part to get there. I apologize. > It's pretty rude to bring these things up and then neglect them. > > But we still have time. If we get the rules, nominations and voting in > place by June 1st, I don't see any reason why we couldn't complete and > announce our contributors by the 14th. > > I think only 2 people commented on doing this at all in the first > place, so I need to know if there is still interest here. Please let > me know. > Sara > > > Tim Foster wrote: >> Hi Sara & All, >> >> On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 14:00 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> It's that time of year. June 14th marks the 2nd anniversary of the >>> Opening Day of OpenSolaris. And it's time for us to start celebrating, >>> or planning our celebrating. >>> >> >> >>> What would you like to do this year? >>> >> >> >>> Personally, I'd really like to do the contributor awards again. Last >>> year wasn't very organized, so we should work out a way to do it right. >>> >> >> Yep, that sounds like a plan. As well as singling out individuals, >> perhaps giving the community a way to show their appreciation for >> particular projects/communities/distros would also be nice ? >> I can think of several OpenSolaris projects that have made my use of >> OpenSolaris much better over the past year: it'd be nice to have a way >> to say "Thanks!" and give them more recognition for the work they're >> doing. >> >> >> I do think it'd be worthwhile to hold another front-page graphic >> competition, just to see what other ideas are out there. The current >> "open(2)" graphic was supposed to be up for 6 months originally I think, >> though I'm not complaining! >> >> I also like the idea of a picnic - although it'd have to be virtual for >> me, I don't know if I'll be able to get across for it. >> >> Finally, I'd quite like to hear some audio interviews with folks in the >> OpenSolaris community - both famous and not (yet) famous, to see how >> they think the project has gone over the last year, what challenges face >> us and what we've learnt so far. Something similar to Simon's podcasts >> during the OGB elections, but a bit more conversational perhaps? >> >> Perhaps a roving-reporter at the OpenSolaris picnic with a mic and a >> list of questions would be good. >> >> Hope this helps ? >> >> cheers, >> tim >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From brian.gupta at gmail.com Fri May 18 14:57:51 2007 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:57:51 -0400 Subject: Project Indiana Marketing was: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> Message-ID: <5b5090780705181457r5ed475f7v45e093ae34086f05@mail.gmail.com> I think we need a mascot. http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/SUE/SUE101/ANCL0128.jpg (They eat penguins) brian From dclarke at blastwave.org Fri May 18 15:00:55 2007 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Project Indiana Marketing was: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <464E17C9.9010904@sun.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <36715.72.39.216.186.1179522420.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <464E17C9.9010904@sun.com> Message-ID: <36780.72.39.216.186.1179525655.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > Dennis Clarke wrote: >> What would people outside of Sun be able to do to help? I sure do get a >> lot of traffic here .. as you may know. Certainly some splashy graphics >> is not out of the question. >> > > I appreciate the offer of help, and you know I'll take you up on it. :) > Last year at the anniversary we did some banner ads. I could see if we > could do that again. Would that work? Something subtle and small. Dignified. I went with that sort of thing last year : http://www.blastwave.org/.backup/index_18_Jun_2006.html subtle .. yep .. that's me :-) so .. anything like that works well I think. Dennis From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Sat May 19 03:17:05 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:17:05 +0200 Subject: Project Indiana Marketing was: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <5b5090780705181457r5ed475f7v45e093ae34086f05@mail.gmail.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <5b5090780705181457r5ed475f7v45e093ae34086f05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464ecea1.DGXfA76WHY0812oZ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> "Brian Gupta" wrote: > I think we need a mascot. http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/SUE/SUE101/ANCL0128.jpg > > (They eat penguins) I was proposing this more than two years ago, but better take a fish, Sun seems to plan Solaris to be eaten by a Penguin.... J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Sat May 19 03:27:29 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:27:29 +0200 Subject: Is Sun ready for OpenSource? was: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <36780.72.39.216.186.1179525655.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <36715.72.39.216.186.1179522420.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> <464E17C9.9010904@sun.com> <36780.72.39.216.186.1179525655.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <464ed111.OlsvcHLtfnVU6p/v%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> "Dennis Clarke" wrote: > Something subtle and small. Dignified. I went with that sort of thing > last year : > > http://www.blastwave.org/.backup/index_18_Jun_2006.html > This also talks about contributions, but is Sun yet ready for contributions? Many byte sized contribution have been integrated but I am missing bigger contributions. This is not a problem with missing contributions but with the sad news that Sun does not offer an infrastructure for contributions. As long as there are people who like to contribute and offer their software and even did get an integration approvement (PSARC) and integration does not happen because the integration is not done at Sun's side, something is wrong. If you have money to spend, please don't spend it in an anniversary celebration but in the missing infrastructure. J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Sun May 20 23:24:45 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:24:45 +0900 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Advocates (Advocacy) Community Group In-Reply-To: <463056AA.50108@Sun.COM> References: <463056AA.50108@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <46513B2D.4030405@Sun.COM> FYI: The OGB will vote on this formally when they have a full meeting (one member is out of town). Two members have said that the proposal looks fine, so we should be in good shape. Also, Ben Rockwood has proposed that the Immigrants Community be part of the merger: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/immigrants/ Ben's proposal on the OGB list: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2007-May/000520.html I think it's fine, but I wanted everyone to see in case anyone had an opinion either way. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Hey ... > > Although I see consensus for "Advocates" as a name for the new community > group we've been discussing, I know at least a few people have mentioned > "Advocacy" as an option. Either way, I think we can move on from the > other names and decide between these two. Agree? > > So ... using "Advocates" for the moment, this is what we have right now: > > We have consensus to merge the User Groups Community and the Marketing > Community into a new community called Advocates. Also, we have consensus > to move the user groups to projects, all of which will be endorsed by > the Advocates Community. > > Below is a draft description of the new community. I'm leaving out the > "merging" stuff since it's been discussed, it's confusing, we have > consensus, and it's easier to just draft something fresh. > > Advocates Community Group > > The Advocates Community Group exists to help people around the world get > involved in the OpenSolaris Community. We welcome participation from > people of all languages and cultures and people with all levels of > technical and non-technical skills. Everyone has something to contribute. > > In here you will find independent user groups, presentations, news, > articles, blogs, technical and non-technical content, videos and > podcasts, events and conferences, metrics and graphics, swag, badges, > buttons, and a variety of promotional projects. > > Our defining guidelines and values are simple: we embrace the > OpenSolaris Principles http://opensolaris.org/os/about/ and we are a > community group in good standing under the OpenSolaris Constitution > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/governance/ > > Join us and participate ... > > Something like that. It's just a suggestion. > > Advocates Community Leaders: (names TBD) > > Below is an implementation sequence off the top of my head that I think > we'll have to go through. See if it makes sense. > > Implementation Sequence: (most of which will be done manually) > > * Brief the OGB about our merger plan and get final approval. > * Establish leaders -- merge, add new, delete old. > * Merge Marketing and UG Community lists for contributors and core > contributors and maintain as one list. > * Draft Community Mission Statement. > * Create a new community -- Advocates Community -- and migrate content. > * Create a new list -- advocates at opensolaris.org -- and merge names. > * Start migrating existing user groups to projects and begin the > creation of new user groups under a new process based on the OGB's > project creation guidelines. > * Endorse all user group projects. > * Establish URL re-directs for migrated content. > * Migrate Marketing & UG Community content to the Advocates community. > * Migrate additional content: Articles and Newsletter > * Delete old Marketing & UG communities and lists. > > > Missing anything? > > > Jim > -- > Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris > _______________________________________________ > ug-discuss mailing list > ug-discuss at opensolaris.org From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Mon May 21 06:04:52 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:04:52 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Advocates (Advocacy) Community Group In-Reply-To: <46513B2D.4030405@Sun.COM> References: <463056AA.50108@Sun.COM> <46513B2D.4030405@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <465198F4.6090208@sun.com> I think that Ben's proposal makes a great deal of sense. Patrick Jim Grisanzio wrote: > FYI: > > The OGB will vote on this formally when they have a full meeting (one > member is out of town). Two members have said that the proposal looks > fine, so we should be in good shape. > > Also, Ben Rockwood has proposed that the Immigrants Community be part of > the merger: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/immigrants/ > > Ben's proposal on the OGB list: > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2007-May/000520.html > > I think it's fine, but I wanted everyone to see in case anyone had an > opinion either way. > > Jim From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Mon May 21 09:39:55 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:39:55 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> Message-ID: <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> Hi All, On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 14:57 -0700, michelle olson wrote: > I'm still interested, I think the contributor awards are a good > recognition program, let's hammer out the rules and get voting set up. Okay, here's some more concrete suggestions. I think there should be contributor awards for: - projects of the year - communities of the year - individuals of the year [ or singular versions of the above, depending on what prizes are available ] The idea would be that users should vote from the list of projects or communities at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/communities/#portal http://www.opensolaris.org/os/projects/#portal Individuals can be anyone, I guess. Rather than wait for nominations, we should just take every project/community/person as being nominated for an award, then just count the number of votes each one gets. Awards would be judged by voters based on the work that those projects/communities have done over the course of the last year (from June 14th 2006 to June 14th 2007) - the criteria are free for interpretation, but here's some suggestions. Has a community/project/individual: - been especially helpful in your use of OpenSolaris - produced some killer feature you think is cool - been working on something that makes * your laptop battery last longer * a task quicker to implement * your server faster * a problem easier to diagnose * it easier to get girls (well, whatever - you get the idea) Do we have a voting mechanism open to all 50,000 registered users of opensolaris.org ? Would poll.opensolaris.org work for this or is that currently limited to people listed as contributors ? It'd be nice if each vote had an accompanying bit of text explaining why a project/community/individual deserves an award, that could be used to help decide tie-breakers, but I'm not sure if it's technically possible. We'd then count the votes, and in the event of a tie for , we let the OGB, or some other body that's appointed in advance have the final decision. Would any of that work ? > I agree we should also have the graphic contest for the front page, I do > plan to participate in that again, seems like we already have that > process figured out, just need to announce it and set up a page for the > entries, right? Here's the rules from last year - these look okay to me. http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-mktg/2006-July/003299.html Just need to decide on a committee to vote on the results. (unless of course we want to open it up to all ~50,000 registered users on opensolaris.org ?) I think having 30,000 people vote for a banner that's inappropriate would be bad though - so some artistic judgement should be reserved I think... Actually someone (me, if I have time) should update http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/homepagegraphics/ before (if ?) we post this competition. > I love the idea of the podcasts Tim suggested and I think we need to > make the picnic global. I talked to Benr about this last week and here's > my idea: we ask the User Group leaders to organize a picnic to celebrate > the 2nd Birthday right out side the usual user group meeting location > during the week of the anniversary. This should be light-weight, just an > announcement and potluck, or just beer or something simple. Tell folks > to bring cameras or a recording device for podcasts. Then we post the > podcasts and pictures from each picnic on all the community pages of > opensoalris.org throughout the week. Thoughts? Yep, works for me - we've got a regular IE-OSUG meeting planned for June 12th/13th and I'll have a camera and a mp3 recorder along for the ride. Might not be not a picnic in our case, though we can certainly provide photos of beer, if that helps :-) cheers, tim > Sara Dornsife wrote: > > I'm sure by now everyone has heard of "Project Indiana" and Sun's > > desire to create an OpenSolaris distribution with the community. This > > has become my focus at work. I have been asked, granted the > > opportunity, to build and run a marketing organization for this project. > > > > I have given offers to Glynn Foster and Patrick Finch to help drive > > this effort and we are all working very closely with Ian Murdock to > > make this happen. > > > > So, regrettably, I've been distracted. This anniversary is coming up > > and not enough has been done on my part to get there. I apologize. > > It's pretty rude to bring these things up and then neglect them. > > > > But we still have time. If we get the rules, nominations and voting in > > place by June 1st, I don't see any reason why we couldn't complete and > > announce our contributors by the 14th. > > > > I think only 2 people commented on doing this at all in the first > > place, so I need to know if there is still interest here. Please let > > me know. > > Sara > > > > > > Tim Foster wrote: > >> Hi Sara & All, > >> > >> On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 14:00 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> > >>> It's that time of year. June 14th marks the 2nd anniversary of the > >>> Opening Day of OpenSolaris. And it's time for us to start celebrating, > >>> or planning our celebrating. > >>> > >> > >> > >>> What would you like to do this year? > >>> > >> > >> > >>> Personally, I'd really like to do the contributor awards again. Last > >>> year wasn't very organized, so we should work out a way to do it right. > >>> > >> > >> Yep, that sounds like a plan. As well as singling out individuals, > >> perhaps giving the community a way to show their appreciation for > >> particular projects/communities/distros would also be nice ? > >> I can think of several OpenSolaris projects that have made my use of > >> OpenSolaris much better over the past year: it'd be nice to have a way > >> to say "Thanks!" and give them more recognition for the work they're > >> doing. > >> > >> > >> I do think it'd be worthwhile to hold another front-page graphic > >> competition, just to see what other ideas are out there. The current > >> "open(2)" graphic was supposed to be up for 6 months originally I think, > >> though I'm not complaining! > >> > >> I also like the idea of a picnic - although it'd have to be virtual for > >> me, I don't know if I'll be able to get across for it. > >> > >> Finally, I'd quite like to hear some audio interviews with folks in the > >> OpenSolaris community - both famous and not (yet) famous, to see how > >> they think the project has gone over the last year, what challenges face > >> us and what we've learnt so far. Something similar to Simon's podcasts > >> during the OGB elections, but a bit more conversational perhaps? > >> > >> Perhaps a roving-reporter at the OpenSolaris picnic with a mic and a > >> list of questions would be good. > >> > >> Hope this helps ? > >> > >> cheers, > >> tim > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From michelle.olson at sun.com Mon May 21 13:44:55 2007 From: michelle.olson at sun.com (michelle olson) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:44:55 -0700 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <465204C7.6090100@sun.com> Tim Foster wrote: > Hi All, > > On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 14:57 -0700, michelle olson wrote: > >> I'm still interested, I think the contributor awards are a good >> recognition program, let's hammer out the rules and get voting set up. >> > > Okay, here's some more concrete suggestions. > > I think there should be contributor awards for: > > - projects of the year > - communities of the year > - individuals of the year > > [ or singular versions of the above, depending on what prizes are > available ] > > I like this idea, it is better than just the individual awards, and will give folks some more interesting information about the projects they might not know about. What prizes are available, Sara? If a community or project wins, how would prizes be distributed-- to the leaders or to all members? > The idea would be that users should vote from the list of projects or > communities at: > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/communities/#portal > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/projects/#portal > > Individuals can be anyone, I guess. > > Rather than wait for nominations, we should just take every > project/community/person as being nominated for an award, then just > count the number of votes each one gets. > > Awards would be judged by voters based on the work that those > projects/communities have done over the course of the last year (from > June 14th 2006 to June 14th 2007) - the criteria are free for > interpretation, but here's some suggestions. > > Has a community/project/individual: > > - been especially helpful in your use of OpenSolaris > - produced some killer feature you think is cool > - been working on something that makes > * your laptop battery last longer > * a task quicker to implement > * your server faster > * a problem easier to diagnose > * it easier to get girls (well, whatever - you get the idea) > > Do we have a voting mechanism open to all 50,000 registered users of > opensolaris.org ? Would poll.opensolaris.org work for this or is that > currently limited to people listed as contributors ? > We should ping the tools-discuss about the question above and the specifics below. > It'd be nice if each vote had an accompanying bit of text explaining why > a project/community/individual deserves an award, that > could be used to help decide tie-breakers, but I'm not sure if it's > technically possible. > > We'd then count the votes, and in the event of a tie for awards we can give away>, we let the OGB, or some other body that's > appointed in advance have the final decision. > > Would any of that work ? > I think it would. > >> I agree we should also have the graphic contest for the front page, I do >> plan to participate in that again, seems like we already have that >> process figured out, just need to announce it and set up a page for the >> entries, right? >> > > Here's the rules from last year - these look okay to me. > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-mktg/2006-July/003299.html > > Just need to decide on a committee to vote on the results. (unless of > course we want to open it up to all ~50,000 registered users on > opensolaris.org ?) I think having 30,000 people vote for a banner that's > inappropriate would be bad though - so some artistic judgement should be > reserved I think... > Agreed, we should ask the committee from last year to judge again, IMO, they have done a great job in the past. > Actually someone (me, if I have time) should update > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/homepagegraphics/ > before (if ?) we post this competition. > > >> I love the idea of the podcasts Tim suggested and I think we need to >> make the picnic global. I talked to Benr about this last week and here's >> my idea: we ask the User Group leaders to organize a picnic to celebrate >> the 2nd Birthday right out side the usual user group meeting location >> during the week of the anniversary. This should be light-weight, just an >> announcement and potluck, or just beer or something simple. Tell folks >> to bring cameras or a recording device for podcasts. Then we post the >> podcasts and pictures from each picnic on all the community pages of >> opensoalris.org throughout the week. Thoughts? >> > > Yep, works for me - we've got a regular IE-OSUG meeting planned for June > 12th/13th and I'll have a camera and a mp3 recorder along for the ride. > Might not be not a picnic in our case, though we can certainly provide > photos of beer, if that helps :-) > > cheers, > tim > Great! I pinged ug-discuss asking about this Friday, but that must be the wrong list because no one responded. I'll bring my camera to SVOSUG picnic June 9th, FWIW. Thanks, Michelle > > >> Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >>> I'm sure by now everyone has heard of "Project Indiana" and Sun's >>> desire to create an OpenSolaris distribution with the community. This >>> has become my focus at work. I have been asked, granted the >>> opportunity, to build and run a marketing organization for this project. >>> >>> I have given offers to Glynn Foster and Patrick Finch to help drive >>> this effort and we are all working very closely with Ian Murdock to >>> make this happen. >>> >>> So, regrettably, I've been distracted. This anniversary is coming up >>> and not enough has been done on my part to get there. I apologize. >>> It's pretty rude to bring these things up and then neglect them. >>> >>> But we still have time. If we get the rules, nominations and voting in >>> place by June 1st, I don't see any reason why we couldn't complete and >>> announce our contributors by the 14th. >>> >>> I think only 2 people commented on doing this at all in the first >>> place, so I need to know if there is still interest here. Please let >>> me know. >>> Sara >>> >>> >>> Tim Foster wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sara & All, >>>> >>>> On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 14:00 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> It's that time of year. June 14th marks the 2nd anniversary of the >>>>> Opening Day of OpenSolaris. And it's time for us to start celebrating, >>>>> or planning our celebrating. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> What would you like to do this year? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Personally, I'd really like to do the contributor awards again. Last >>>>> year wasn't very organized, so we should work out a way to do it right. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yep, that sounds like a plan. As well as singling out individuals, >>>> perhaps giving the community a way to show their appreciation for >>>> particular projects/communities/distros would also be nice ? >>>> I can think of several OpenSolaris projects that have made my use of >>>> OpenSolaris much better over the past year: it'd be nice to have a way >>>> to say "Thanks!" and give them more recognition for the work they're >>>> doing. >>>> >>>> >>>> I do think it'd be worthwhile to hold another front-page graphic >>>> competition, just to see what other ideas are out there. The current >>>> "open(2)" graphic was supposed to be up for 6 months originally I think, >>>> though I'm not complaining! >>>> >>>> I also like the idea of a picnic - although it'd have to be virtual for >>>> me, I don't know if I'll be able to get across for it. >>>> >>>> Finally, I'd quite like to hear some audio interviews with folks in the >>>> OpenSolaris community - both famous and not (yet) famous, to see how >>>> they think the project has gone over the last year, what challenges face >>>> us and what we've learnt so far. Something similar to Simon's podcasts >>>> during the OGB elections, but a bit more conversational perhaps? >>>> >>>> Perhaps a roving-reporter at the OpenSolaris picnic with a mic and a >>>> list of questions would be good. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps ? >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> tim >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-mktg mailing list >>> opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org >>> From webmink at sun.com Mon May 21 19:37:17 2007 From: webmink at sun.com (Simon Phipps) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 03:37:17 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: On May 21, 2007, at 17:39, Tim Foster wrote: > Rather than wait for nominations, we should just take every > project/community/person as being nominated for an award, then just > count the number of votes each one gets. I believe the nomination process is itself part of the recognition, and that a list of candidates exposes people to the great things being done by other community members. I suggest it would be better to set a low bar for nomination (say any individual/project/community may be nominated by any individual as long as the nominator has a log- in for OpenSolaris, the person making the nomination submits a justification for the nomination and the entity nominated is an actual OpenSolaris member, accepts the nomination and agrees the text is accurate). We should then accept any and all valid nominations and set the "passing" criteria to match the available awards. > Would poll.opensolaris.org work for this or is that > currently limited to people listed as contributors ? This voting system is designed for people who are familiar enough with the technology to follow the (rather complex) set-up procedures. I'd suggest it's overkill for these awards and will lead to a low voter turn-out. I suggest we need a simpler, web-based mechanism. On May 21, 2007, at 21:44, michelle olson wrote: > What prizes are available, Sara? Actually, I would be very pleased to see other member organisations in OpenSolaris offer prizes too. S. From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue May 22 05:52:02 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:52:02 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <1179838322.20752.88.camel@haiiro> On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 03:37 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: > On May 21, 2007, at 17:39, Tim Foster wrote: > > > Rather than wait for nominations, we should just take every > > project/community/person as being nominated for an award, then just > > count the number of votes each one gets. > > I believe the nomination process is itself part of the recognition That's true - I was worried that we were running out of time to get nominations in. Certainly being nominated for an award by your peers is a pretty good feeling - fine with me if we've enough time for it. If folks are happy with the suggested awards/categories (though there hasn't been much discussion yet; we're short on time) I'll start to write a draft for a call for nominations, and send to this list later tonight to see if there's any more thoughts on it. [ re. poll.opensolaris.org ] > I'd suggest it's overkill for these awards and will lead to a low > voter turn-out. I suggest we need a simpler, web-based mechanism. Okay. For the t-shirt competition last year, we had voting over at: http://www.unixville.com/opensolaris/tshirt - does opensolaris.org have similar facilities these days? It'd be lovely if poll.opensolaris.org had a 'dummy' mode that allowed anyone with an opensolaris username to vote for minor polls such as these, as well as the all-singing/dancing-we-don't-need-no-diebold-machines-here mode for OGB elections and the like. > On May 21, 2007, at 21:44, michelle olson wrote: > > What prizes are available, Sara? > > Actually, I would be very pleased to see other member organisations > in OpenSolaris offer prizes too. Yup. Don't have much to offer here myself, unless a vintage sparc10 speaker-box would be a worthy prize? (I'd be sorry to see it go, it's a nice desk ornament) http://www.obsolyte.com/sunPICS/speakerbox/speakerbox.jpg cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From rich.teer at rite-group.com Tue May 22 11:59:30 2007 From: rich.teer at rite-group.com (Rich Teer) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2007, Simon Phipps wrote: > I believe the nomination process is itself part of the recognition, and that a > list of candidates exposes people to the great things being done by other > community members. I suggest it would be better to set a low bar for > nomination (say any individual/project/community may be nominated by any > individual as long as the nominator has a log-in for OpenSolaris, the person > making the nomination submits a justification for the nomination and the > entity nominated is an actual OpenSolaris member, accepts the nomination and > agrees the text is accurate). We should then accept any and all valid > nominations and set the "passing" criteria to match the available awards. +1 -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OGB member CEO, My Online Home Inventory Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URLs: http://www.rite-group.com/rich http://www.myonlinehomeinventory.com From Isaac.Rozenfeld at Sun.COM Wed May 23 05:58:49 2007 From: Isaac.Rozenfeld at Sun.COM (Isaac Rozenfeld) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:58:49 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Help building graphics for NYC OSUG Message-ID: <46543A89.4030104@Sun.COM> Hello all, This alias seems like a logical place to ask the following: I am trying to make a logo for a NYC OSUG - is there a way I can use the same font that 'open solaris' logo is built with? Where could I get the tools/fonts to do this myself? if not, who would I talk to about making something customized? Thanks in advance! Isaac -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaac Rozenfeld Making Sun's technology relevant to your business Direct - (877)7184423 Email - isaac at sun.com From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Wed May 23 11:04:34 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 06:04:34 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Proposal Message-ID: Hi, I've just got a proposal; along the lines of Ubuntu, in respects to providing the ability to easily download and install CODECS for popular formats through an easy to use interface. Blastwave, for instance, provides FAAD support, and gstreamer, but the problem is that these extra plugins aren't picked up by the likes or Rhythmbox hence the proposal for something that actually can be downloaded and integrates into the operating system along side the default installation. What does everyone else think? Matthew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Blastwave, for instance, > provides FAAD support, and gstreamer, but the problem is that these > extra plugins aren't picked up by the likes or Rhythmbox hence the > proposal for something that actually can be downloaded and integrates > into the operating system along side the default installation. > > What does everyone else think? > > Matthew > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM Thu May 24 07:52:10 2007 From: Eric.Boutilier at Sun.COM (Eric Boutilier) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:52:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Matthew, Check out Alvaro's "OpenSolaris codec pack": http://blogs.sun.com/alvaro/entry/opensolaris_codec_pack http://blogs.sun.com/alvaro/entry/opensolaris_codec_pack_updated I haven't tried it, but it sure made me sit up and take notice, for all the reasons you give below. Eric On Thu, 24 May 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Hi, > > I've just got a proposal; along the lines of Ubuntu, in respects to > providing the ability to easily download and install CODECS for popular > formats through an easy to use interface. Blastwave, for instance, provides > FAAD support, and gstreamer, but the problem is that these extra plugins > aren't picked up by the likes or Rhythmbox hence the proposal for something > that actually can be downloaded and integrates into the operating system > along side the default installation. > > What does everyone else think? > > Matthew > From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Thu May 24 08:02:34 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:02:34 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4655A90A.80403@sun.com> I'd totally forgotten about that! I tried them a while ago, worked well. I did a total reinstall a few weeks ago and couldn't remember what I'd done for codecs. I strongly recommend to try Alvaro's way before downloading the Solaris companion disk. thanks Eric. Patrick Eric Boutilier wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Check out Alvaro's "OpenSolaris codec pack": > > http://blogs.sun.com/alvaro/entry/opensolaris_codec_pack > http://blogs.sun.com/alvaro/entry/opensolaris_codec_pack_updated > > I haven't tried it, but it sure made me sit up and take > notice, for all the reasons you give below. > > Eric > > On Thu, 24 May 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've just got a proposal; along the lines of Ubuntu, in respects to >> providing the ability to easily download and install CODECS for popular >> formats through an easy to use interface. Blastwave, for instance, >> provides >> FAAD support, and gstreamer, but the problem is that these extra plugins >> aren't picked up by the likes or Rhythmbox hence the proposal for >> something >> that actually can be downloaded and integrates into the operating system >> along side the default installation. >> >> What does everyone else think? >> >> Matthew >> > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Thu May 24 10:43:07 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 05:43:07 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Thanks foro the heads up. Its probably best, given that, to have it located somewhere near the front for the unwashed masses to know about. Now, all I'm waiting on is for the PCFS/ipod related bug(s) to be fixed up so that I can use Solaris - yes, I live and breath my ipod :-) Matthew On 25/05/07, Eric Boutilier wrote: > > Hi Matthew, > > Check out Alvaro's "OpenSolaris codec pack": > > http://blogs.sun.com/alvaro/entry/opensolaris_codec_pack > http://blogs.sun.com/alvaro/entry/opensolaris_codec_pack_updated > > I haven't tried it, but it sure made me sit up and take > notice, for all the reasons you give below. > > Eric > > On Thu, 24 May 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've just got a proposal; along the lines of Ubuntu, in respects to > > providing the ability to easily download and install CODECS for popular > > formats through an easy to use interface. Blastwave, for instance, > provides > > FAAD support, and gstreamer, but the problem is that these extra plugins > > aren't picked up by the likes or Rhythmbox hence the proposal for > something > > that actually can be downloaded and integrates into the operating system > > along side the default installation. > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > > Matthew > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Sun May 27 20:16:37 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:16:37 +0900 Subject: Project Indiana Marketing was: [osol-mktg] 2nd Anniversary time In-Reply-To: <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> Message-ID: <465A4995.6090404@Sun.COM> We accomplished a great deal this year, and I've already been collecting stuff to list. I'll start working on v2 of the yearly community roll up and circulate it. Last year's list looked like this: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=9941&tstart=0 Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris Sara Dornsife wrote: > I'm sure by now everyone has heard of "Project Indiana" and Sun's desire > to create an OpenSolaris distribution with the community. This has > become my focus at work. I have been asked, granted the opportunity, to > build and run a marketing organization for this project. > > I have given offers to Glynn Foster and Patrick Finch to help drive this > effort and we are all working very closely with Ian Murdock to make this > happen. > > So, regrettably, I've been distracted. This anniversary is coming up and > not enough has been done on my part to get there. I apologize. It's > pretty rude to bring these things up and then neglect them. > > But we still have time. If we get the rules, nominations and voting in > place by June 1st, I don't see any reason why we couldn't complete and > announce our contributors by the 14th. > > I think only 2 people commented on doing this at all in the first place, > so I need to know if there is still interest here. Please let me know. > Sara > > > Tim Foster wrote: > >>Hi Sara & All, >> >>On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 14:00 -0500, Sara Dornsife wrote: >> >> >>>It's that time of year. June 14th marks the 2nd anniversary of the >>>Opening Day of OpenSolaris. And it's time for us to start celebrating, >>>or planning our celebrating. >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>What would you like to do this year? >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>Personally, I'd really like to do the contributor awards again. Last >>>year wasn't very organized, so we should work out a way to do it right. >>> >>> >> >>Yep, that sounds like a plan. As well as singling out individuals, >>perhaps giving the community a way to show their appreciation for >>particular projects/communities/distros would also be nice ? >>I can think of several OpenSolaris projects that have made my use of >>OpenSolaris much better over the past year: it'd be nice to have a way >>to say "Thanks!" and give them more recognition for the work they're >>doing. >> >> >>I do think it'd be worthwhile to hold another front-page graphic >>competition, just to see what other ideas are out there. The current >>"open(2)" graphic was supposed to be up for 6 months originally I think, >>though I'm not complaining! >> >>I also like the idea of a picnic - although it'd have to be virtual for >>me, I don't know if I'll be able to get across for it. >> >>Finally, I'd quite like to hear some audio interviews with folks in the >>OpenSolaris community - both famous and not (yet) famous, to see how >>they think the project has gone over the last year, what challenges face >>us and what we've learnt so far. Something similar to Simon's podcasts >>during the OGB elections, but a bit more conversational perhaps? >> >>Perhaps a roving-reporter at the OpenSolaris picnic with a mic and a >>list of questions would be good. >> >>Hope this helps ? >> >> cheers, >> tim >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Mon May 28 06:24:43 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:24:43 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: <1179838322.20752.88.camel@haiiro> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> <1179838322.20752.88.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <1180358683.16701.8.camel@haiiro> Hi All, On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 13:52 +0100, Tim Foster wrote: > If folks are happy with the suggested awards/categories (though there > hasn't been much discussion yet; we're short on time) I'll start to > write a draft for a call for nominations, and send to this list later > tonight to see if there's any more thoughts on it. Sorry this has been so delayed - I've attached a draft of a call for nominations for the awards this year. What do people think ? (ignore the simple style, the CSS on opensolaris.org will make it look pretty) Things I haven't quite worked out are: * firm dates for deadlines * who gets the final vote on award recipients * what we can actually give away * how many awards we're offering * "Achievement Stars", yes it's a cheesy name - any better ideas for what to call these? Many of these are dependent on resources, so if someone could chime in on that, we'll get the ball rolling. Once we've got the details finalised, we can post these to the marketing page, and blast announcements to -discuss, -announce and generally make lots more noise about the awards. Is there any interest in doing a home-page graphic competition as well ? cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flash at systemnews.com Mon May 28 08:32:49 2007 From: flash at systemnews.com (John J McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:32:49 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: <1180358683.16701.8.camel@haiiro> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> <1179838322.20752.88.camel@haiiro> <1180358683.16701.8.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <465AF621.80904@systemnews.com> May I suggest another category? I think we should identify Free Open Source Project from outside the OpenSolaris project that work with OpenSolaris that the OpenSolaris community thinks is most valuable, by category. e.g. The OpenSolaris community has access to thousands of free and open source software packages beyond that which is included in OpenSolaris. This year, we are asking the OpenSolaris to nominate their favorites in these categories Best FOSS Developer tool Best FOSS Database Best FOSS Desktop Best FOSS Content Management System ...... This will have the advantage of getting more members involved, and of promoting FOSS packages that make OpenSolaris more useful! I also see three press release opportunities; one to announce the call for nominations, one to announce the nominations and vote and, of ,course, one to announce the winners. We will get much more coverage and participation than if we just focus inside the project. Perhaps Dennis could take a swag at suggesting the categories based upon the gazzilions of packages on blastwave.org? -johnj Tim Foster wrote: > Hi All, > > On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 13:52 +0100, Tim Foster wrote: > >> If folks are happy with the suggested awards/categories (though there >> hasn't been much discussion yet; we're short on time) I'll start to >> write a draft for a call for nominations, and send to this list later >> tonight to see if there's any more thoughts on it. >> > > Sorry this has been so delayed - I've attached a draft of a call for > nominations for the awards this year. > > What do people think ? (ignore the simple style, the CSS on > opensolaris.org will make it look pretty) > > Things I haven't quite worked out are: > > * firm dates for deadlines > * who gets the final vote on award recipients > * what we can actually give away > * how many awards we're offering > * "Achievement Stars", yes it's a cheesy name > - any better ideas for what to call these? > > Many of these are dependent on resources, so if someone could chime in > on that, we'll get the ball rolling. Once we've got the details > finalised, we can post these to the marketing page, and blast > announcements to -discuss, -announce and generally make lots more noise > about the awards. > > > Is there any interest in doing a home-page graphic competition as well ? > > cheers, > tim > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > 2nd Annual OpenSolaris Contributor Awards - call for nominations > > Over the course of the past year, a great deal of fantastic work has > been done on the OpenSolaris project, and it's time for the community > to get together to recognise the achievements of people, projects and > communities over that time. > > As with our awards last year > , > we want to show our appreciation > > to the people you think deserve special recognition for their hard work. > > We'd also like to award special Achievement Stars > to projects or communities that > you think did particularly well over the course of the year. > > So our categories are: > > * contributors of the year > * projects of the year > * communities of the year > > However in order for this to work, we need *YOUR NOMINATIONS* for > people, projects and communities that you feel deserve recognition. > > Send email to opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > with your nominations for > one or all of these categories by our nomination deadline, *June 6th* > - we'll post the results on the 14th of June 2007 (the 2nd Anniversary > of OpenSolaris!). Please include a short description as to why you > think these people, projects or communities deserve special recognition. > > You can nominate as many people, projects and communities as you like, > and we'll be awarding a total of /X/ individual contributor awards, > /Y/ project awards and /Z/ community awards - you may be interested in > the following lists: > > * OpenSolaris Communities > > * OpenSolaris Projects > > > Now, *get nominating * - we look forward to seeing your submissions! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org -- John J. McLaughlin, Editor-in-Chief/CTO, System News Inc. Publishers of "SunFlash" (http://sunflash.sun.com) "System News for Sun Users" and "System News for Sun iForce Partners" flash at systemnews.com +1 (954) 234 8990 http://sun.systemnews.com LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/e/fpf/228699 From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Mon May 28 09:12:38 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:12:38 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: <465AF621.80904@systemnews.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> <1179838322.20752.88.camel@haiiro> <1180358683.16701.8.camel@haiiro> <465AF621.80904@systemnews.com> Message-ID: <1180368758.16701.46.camel@haiiro> Hi John & co, On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 11:32 -0400, John J McLaughlin wrote: > May I suggest another category? I think we should identify Free Open > Source Project from outside the OpenSolaris project that work with > OpenSolaris that the OpenSolaris community thinks is most valuable, by > category. That's an interesting idea. > e.g. The OpenSolaris community has access to thousands of free and open > source software packages beyond that which is included in OpenSolaris. > This year, we are asking the OpenSolaris to nominate their favorites in > these categories > Best FOSS Developer tool > Best FOSS Database > Best FOSS Desktop > Best FOSS Content Management System > ...... The one worry I'd have here is that the categories could get awfully specialised: "Best FOSS Beer Recipe Formulator", "Best FOSS Bicycle Gear Calculator", etc.[1] With so many categories, people might just get bored of the idea of voting at all, and drift off.. Would we be able to trim it down to say "Favourite FOSS port to OpenSolaris" instead ? Don't want to get too carried away, it's *our* party after all ;-) > This will have the advantage of getting more members involved, and of > promoting FOSS packages that make OpenSolaris more useful! Right. > I also see three press release opportunities; one to announce the call > for nominations, one to announce the nominations and vote and, of > ,course, one to announce the winners. Yep. > We will get much more coverage and participation than if we just focus > inside the project. Debatable, but I'm game. > Perhaps Dennis could take a swag at suggesting the categories based upon > the gazzilions of packages on blastwave.org? Perhaps award an "Achievement Star" to the top ten package downloads on blastwave.org ? (if possible, the original package a user asked for, not their dependencies: I'd image CSWgtk2 gets downloaded a lot. This is a big ask, I realise) cheers, tim [1] uh, are there any of these for OpenSolaris - I'd probably use them in that case! -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Mon May 28 13:30:53 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:30:53 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: <1180358683.16701.8.camel@haiiro> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> <1179838322.20752.88.camel@haiiro> <1180358683.16701.8.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <465B3BFD.5030002@sun.com> Hey, Tim Foster wrote: > What do people think ? (ignore the simple style, the CSS on > opensolaris.org will make it look pretty) I think it's good, and easily achievable by June 14th - if we start getting too complicated, we won't make that deadline. > Things I haven't quite worked out are: > > * firm dates for deadlines I'd close the competition by June 10th at the very earliest, otherwise doesn't give us a lot of opportunity to get the word out and people voting. And for that reason, I'm against John's suggestion of expanding it to the wider FOSS community. > * who gets the final vote on award recipients I think a working committee as delegated by the OGB (possibly based on a set of keen volunteers?). > * what we can actually give away > * how many awards we're offering I think we only want to give off one award for the top contributor, one award for the top project (and associated people involved), to a maximum of 10 people. > * "Achievement Stars", yes it's a cheesy name > - any better ideas for what to call these? OpenSolaris Rock Stars was Sara's suggestion. I don't mind either way, it's just a simple way of advertising the cooler parts of opensolaris.org. http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&gbv=2&q=web+2.0+badge&btnG=Search+Images is my suggestion on what it should look like, and should be relatively easy to create. > Many of these are dependent on resources, so if someone could chime in > on that, we'll get the ball rolling. Once we've got the details > finalised, we can post these to the marketing page, and blast > announcements to -discuss, -announce and generally make lots more noise > about the awards. Let's do just that - finalize the draft announcement and get it out there. I'll try and see if I can hound someone into doing a badge for the various categories. > Is there any interest in doing a home-page graphic competition as well ? Let's not do that for the moment, but advertise the contributor awards on it with a simple graphic. I think we should have a long running goal of changing the home-page graphics and highlighting some of our cooler projects and communities, but I think that's for another discussion. Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Mon May 28 14:41:51 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:41:51 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: 2nd Anniversary time (nothing to do with Indiana really) In-Reply-To: <465B3BFD.5030002@sun.com> References: <46378E57.2060402@sun.com> <1178618894.3806.55.camel@sr1-edub-04> <464E0EE8.8040304@sun.com> <464E2146.5070904@sun.com> <1179765595.27922.399.camel@haiiro> <1179838322.20752.88.camel@haiiro> <1180358683.16701.8.camel@haiiro> <465B3BFD.5030002@sun.com> Message-ID: <465B4C9F.7070203@sun.com> Hi, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Tim Foster wrote: >> What do people think ? (ignore the simple style, the CSS on >> opensolaris.org will make it look pretty) > > I think it's good, and easily achievable by June 14th - if we start getting too > complicated, we won't make that deadline. > >> Things I haven't quite worked out are: >> >> * firm dates for deadlines > > I'd close the competition by June 10th at the very earliest, otherwise doesn't > give us a lot of opportunity to get the word out and people voting. > > And for that reason, I'm against John's suggestion of expanding it to the wider > FOSS community. It's been pointed out (thanks Simon!) that June 14th doesn't have to be a deadline with all of this - and could conceivably be the launch date for these initiatives, in which case John's suggestion is entirely possible. Glynn From neilmunro at gmail.com Tue May 29 14:07:12 2007 From: neilmunro at gmail.com (Neil Munro) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:07:12 +0100 Subject: [osol-mktg] open source society Message-ID: Hello my name is Neil Munro, I am the chairman of the University of Teesside Students Union Open Source Society, I was wondering if you could donate anything to a new open source society (CD's of opensolaris, shirts etc, or any other merch). If there is anything you can donate to promote the use of free and open source software around the University can you please contact me on this email address or call me on this number (which is based in the uk) 07920219413. Thanks Neil Munro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com Wed May 30 01:28:11 2007 From: kaiwai.gardiner at gmail.com (Kaiwai Gardiner) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:28:11 +1200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: reference distribution In-Reply-To: <5b5090780704241131i74754da6h9f4267676311ee86@mail.gmail.com> References: <3808424.1177412988799.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> <462E2840.5030802@sun.com> <5b5090780704241131i74754da6h9f4267676311ee86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Before going headlong into a distro, its probably best to get atleast the translations completely implemented, then start to provide something that is independent of Sun - something like a "Core Solaris", on which Sun and so forth can build their distribution upon. Kaiwai On 25/04/07, Brian Gupta wrote: > > Let me restate what I was trying to get across. > > Might we want to wait until we have an Open Source clone of Solaris > Express. (As opposed to picking one of the community distributions that are > significantly different than Solaris Express.) > > My initial understanding was that the OpenSolaris "standard" distribution > should match as closely as possible to Solaris express. > > Thanks, > - Brian > > On 4/24/07, Stephen Lau wrote: > > > > Brian Gupta wrote: > > > Wouldn't it be premature to start distributing this before we have a > > complete unencumbered "official" distro? > > > > What is "official"? We don't have an "official" distribution at all > > right now, that's what I'm proposing we establish. > > > > -steve > > > > -- > > stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net > > opensolaris // solaris kernel development > > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-mktg mailing list > opensolaris-mktg at opensolaris.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.gupta at gmail.com Wed May 30 07:25:32 2007 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:25:32 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Community Consolidation -- Marketing & UGs In-Reply-To: <46301110.8020002@Sun.COM> References: <4611C919.7050608@Sun.COM> <4615FDDD.8080603@sun.com> <4616079B.7060501@Sun.COM> <462EFF9F.1060608@Sun.COM> <46301110.8020002@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <5b5090780705300725y7174a910jbc5898d2a8753e77@mail.gmail.com> One thing I am wondering. Back in the day there used to be things called SUGs. These were real grassroots groups, that sometimes had assistance systems integrators and VARs. Sun had no involvement. Eventually these faded away. (It seems that Sun had some part in this). Is it appropriate or desirable to invite VARs and integrators to OpenSolaris UGs? -brian From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 30 18:27:26 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:27:26 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Help building graphics for NYC OSUG In-Reply-To: <46543A89.4030104@Sun.COM> References: <46543A89.4030104@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <465E247E.3030804@sun.com> Hi Isaac, We have made User Group buttons for just this use. See - http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/;jsessionid=FCB312AE6936D6FE1A1FE6E45E5A70EF. Isaac Rozenfeld wrote: > Hello all, > > This alias seems like a logical place to ask the following: > > I am trying to make a logo for a NYC OSUG - is there a way I can use > the same font that 'open solaris' logo is built with? > > Where could I get the tools/fonts to do this myself? if not, who would > I talk to about making something customized? > > Thanks in advance! > Isaac > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 18:37:27 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:37:27 +0900 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] More about marketing In-Reply-To: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> References: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> Damian Wojs?aw wrote: > I saw cool opensolaris business card on flickr. I can't remember where, > but could we have some templates. Ie. staroffice, that I could fill with > my data and print? > > > Regards > > Damian Wojs?aw > pl.opensolaris.org I saw that business card, too. It's on flickr somewhere among the other 2 thousand photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/opensolaris/ I can't find it right now, so I don't know who owns it. But I've cc'd Marketing for the question above. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From brian.gupta at gmail.com Wed May 30 18:52:26 2007 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:52:26 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] More about marketing In-Reply-To: <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> References: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <5b5090780705301852r288656bbq5d4b68ab7cb8ab9e@mail.gmail.com> http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/63021615/ On 5/30/07, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Damian Wojs?aw wrote: > > I saw cool opensolaris business card on flickr. I can't remember where, > > but could we have some templates. Ie. staroffice, that I could fill with > > my data and print? > > > > > > Regards > > > > Damian Wojs?aw > > pl.opensolaris.org > > > > I saw that business card, too. It's on flickr somewhere among the other > 2 thousand photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/opensolaris/ I > can't find it right now, so I don't know who owns it. But I've cc'd > Marketing for the question above. > > Jim > -- > Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris > > _______________________________________________ > ug-discuss mailing list > ug-discuss at opensolaris.org > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 18:58:24 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:58:24 +0900 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Community Consolidation -- Marketing & UGs In-Reply-To: <5b5090780705300725y7174a910jbc5898d2a8753e77@mail.gmail.com> References: <4611C919.7050608@Sun.COM> <4615FDDD.8080603@sun.com> <4616079B.7060501@Sun.COM> <462EFF9F.1060608@Sun.COM> <46301110.8020002@Sun.COM> <5b5090780705300725y7174a910jbc5898d2a8753e77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <465E2BC0.9080405@Sun.COM> Brian Gupta wrote: > One thing I am wondering. Back in the day there used to be things > called SUGs. These were real grassroots groups, that sometimes had > assistance systems integrators and VARs. Sun had no involvement. > > Eventually these faded away. (It seems that Sun had some part in this). > > Is it appropriate or desirable to invite VARs and integrators to > OpenSolaris UGs? > > -brian Of course. You make that decision locally. I'm trying to treat the OpenSolaris UG Community on the site as simply a space where individual groups have a minimum level of infrastructure to communicate and run groups -- pages, lists, and soon to be projects if the Advocacy Community is approved. Now, since I work at Sun I'm trying to get some Sun additional resources (no promises) to contribute to the growth of the UG community (kits, shirts, etc), but basically the UGs are independent and decisions are made locally. Sun does not run the groups or fund them, but I think Sun should /contribute/ to them, just as I think all the individual groups should contribute to each other as well (presos, speakers, content, meetings, etc). Also, I think we all expect that the individual groups will evolve differently based on whatever region of the world they live in. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 30 19:46:48 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:46:48 -0500 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] More about marketing In-Reply-To: <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> References: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <465E3718.9060106@sun.com> There is one on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/mktgdownloads/ I don't see the picture. Is that the right one? Sara Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Damian Wojs?aw wrote: >> I saw cool opensolaris business card on flickr. I can't remember >> where, >> but could we have some templates. Ie. staroffice, that I could fill with >> my data and print? >> >> >> Regards >> >> Damian Wojs?aw >> pl.opensolaris.org > > > > I saw that business card, too. It's on flickr somewhere among the > other 2 thousand photos: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/opensolaris/ I can't find it right > now, so I don't know who owns it. But I've cc'd Marketing for the > question above. > > Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 19:59:18 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:59:18 +0900 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] More about marketing In-Reply-To: <465E3718.9060106@sun.com> References: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> <465E3718.9060106@sun.com> Message-ID: <465E3A06.3050007@Sun.COM> Sara Dornsife wrote: > There is one on > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/mktgdownloads/ Oh, cool. > I don't see the picture. Is that the right one? This is the one on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/63021615/ Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From flash at systemnews.com Thu May 31 14:38:11 2007 From: flash at systemnews.com (John J McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:38:11 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Community Consolidation -- Marketing In-Reply-To: <5b5090780705300725y7174a910jbc5898d2a8753e77@mail.gmail.com> References: <4611C919.7050608@Sun.COM> <4615FDDD.8080603@sun.com> <4616079B.7060501@Sun.COM> <462EFF9F.1060608@Sun.COM> <46301110.8020002@Sun.COM> <5b5090780705300725y7174a910jbc5898d2a8753e77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <465F4043.9050500@systemnews.com> Brian Gupta wrote: > One thing I am wondering. Back in the day there used to be things > called SUGs. These were real grassroots groups, that sometimes had > assistance systems integrators and VARs. Sun had no involvement. > > Eventually these faded away. (It seems that Sun had some part in this). > > Is it appropriate or desirable to invite VARs and integrators to > OpenSolaris UGs? I think it is appropriate that VARs, Resellers, Integrators and ISVs participate in OpenSolaris UGs. They bring a different perspective Resellers: - learn how to sell Solaris and how OpenSolaris helps to sell Solaris - bring new users to the group (most of Sun's sales go through Partners) Integrators - learn how to better use Solaris to solve customer problems ISVs - learn what features of Solaris can help improve their applications -johnj -- John J. McLaughlin, Editor-in-Chief/CTO, System News Inc. Publishers of "SunFlash" (http://sunflash.sun.com) "System News for Sun Users" and "System News for Sun iForce Partners" flash at systemnews.com +1 (954) 234 8990 http://sun.systemnews.com LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/e/fpf/228699