From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Oct 1 06:00:35 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:00:35 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] REMINDER: Planning meeting Tuesday Oct 2 Message-ID: <4700EF73.1080605@sun.com> 8 am and 3 pm PT (866)230-6968 Int'l Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (865)544-7856 ACCESS CODE: 2192132 AGENDA: - Review and finalize schedule - Assign leaders and secretaries to each session - Review details Send in your own agenda items. Talk to you tomorrow. Sara From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 1 15:58:49 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:58:49 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Hotel Reservations Message-ID: <47017BA9.3080207@sun.com> To those staying or planning on staying overnight at the Coast Santa Cruz Hotel- I'm getting reports from people having trouble making their reservations. My apologies for this. I'm in daily contact with the hotel and am working on getting them to expand the number of rooms in our group block. If you want a room and haven't yet made your reservation, please email me *immediately* with your full name and the nights you'll be staying and I will make the reservation for you. Also, over the next few days we may hit a point where they will no longer honor the $189/night rate. They'll still give us a discount under the current $299/night retail cost, but it just won't be as steep a discount. If this applies to you, I'll let you know before I make the reservation. Thanks all, and sorry for the troubles. -Jesse From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Mon Oct 1 16:21:17 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:21:17 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confusion over schedule Message-ID: <470180ED.2000205@sun.com> Hey, A few of you have noted privately about the current talk selection in the schedule - http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/ I'd like to clarify this a little, so that people don't put in needless work preparing talks. The schedule at this stage is very, very un-finalized. We're trying to get to a stage where we have a rough idea of the various breakouts that people are interested in and who might moderate them. If you've read the minutes from the summit calls, we're looking to focus the first day on potential 3 topics (install, packaging, modernization) and come up with a selection of breakouts. On Sunday, we're thinking that we could tackle some of the social issues that people have brought up eg. how to lower the barrier to contribution. Either way, please ignore the schedule for the moment. There will be *no* formal talks. No one should be preparing a formal presentation unless you are specifically asked to. One thought we had was to open up each day with a set of lightning talks [1] around a set of topics, focusing on a very short summary of the topic area, but drilling down into the problems that need facing. Hope that clears things up. If you'd like to participate in planning discussions, join our call tomorrow. thanks, Glynn [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Talk From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Oct 1 17:26:03 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:26:03 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Hotel Reservations In-Reply-To: <47017BA9.3080207@sun.com> References: <47017BA9.3080207@sun.com> Message-ID: <4701901B.60405@cuddletech.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > To those staying or planning on staying overnight at the Coast Santa > Cruz Hotel- > > I'm getting reports from people having trouble making their > reservations. My apologies for this. I'm in daily contact with the hotel > and am working on getting them to expand the number of rooms in our > group block. If you want a room and haven't yet made your reservation, > please email me *immediately* with your full name and the nights you'll > be staying and I will make the reservation for you. > > Also, over the next few days we may hit a point where they will no > longer honor the $189/night rate. They'll still give us a discount under > the current $299/night retail cost, but it just won't be as steep a > discount. If this applies to you, I'll let you know before I make the > reservation. > Put my name on the list. If someone wants to split a room I'd be happy to do so (smoking room preferably). I'll be staying Friday and Saturday night. benr. From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Mon Oct 1 20:33:37 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 05:33:37 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confusion over schedule References: <470180ED.2000205@sun.com> Message-ID: <4701BC11.B990F075@nrubsig.org> Glynn Foster wrote: > A few of you have noted privately about the current talk selection in the schedule - > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/ > > I'd like to clarify this a little, so that people don't put in needless work > preparing talks. > > The schedule at this stage is very, very un-finalized. [snip] Erm... AFAIK one of the people who should give a talk... is there a way to get a notification until Friday whether I should prepare one or not, please ? ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From brandorr at opensolaris.org Mon Oct 1 20:56:52 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:56:52 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confusion over schedule In-Reply-To: <470180ED.2000205@sun.com> References: <470180ED.2000205@sun.com> Message-ID: <5b5090780710012056m34562ab5v7bd1710247508242@mail.gmail.com> On 10/1/07, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > A few of you have noted privately about the current talk selection in the schedule - > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/ > > I'd like to clarify this a little, so that people don't put in needless work > preparing talks. > > The schedule at this stage is very, very un-finalized. > > We're trying to get to a stage where we have a rough idea of the various > breakouts that people are interested in and who might moderate them. If you've > read the minutes from the summit calls, we're looking to focus the first day on > potential 3 topics (install, packaging, modernization) and come up with a > selection of breakouts. On Sunday, we're thinking that we could tackle some of > the social issues that people have brought up eg. how to lower the barrier to > contribution. > > Either way, please ignore the schedule for the moment. There will be *no* formal > talks. No one should be preparing a formal presentation unless you are > specifically asked to. Huh? Why would someone be contacted to prepare a formal presentation, if there aren't any? (Who would be doing the contacting? Who would chose who is going to be contacted?) > One thought we had was to open up each day with a set of > lightning talks [1] around a set of topics, focusing on a very short summary of > the topic area, but drilling down into the problems that need facing. > > Hope that clears things up. If you'd like to participate in planning > discussions, join our call tomorrow. Personally, I think there should be more open discussions, as apparently planning is happening offline now. How about twice per week? Or at the very least move more of the planning to the list. > > > thanks, > > Glynn > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Talk > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Oct 2 02:32:23 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:32:23 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Hotel Reservations In-Reply-To: <47017BA9.3080207@sun.com> References: <47017BA9.3080207@sun.com> Message-ID: <47021027.9WfqdPNxpFX5JAt7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Jesse Silver wrote: > To those staying or planning on staying overnight at the Coast Santa > Cruz Hotel- Hi Jesse, am I right that you did book the hotel for me already? J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Oct 2 05:12:46 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 01:12:46 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confusion over schedule In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710012056m34562ab5v7bd1710247508242@mail.gmail.com> References: <470180ED.2000205@sun.com> <5b5090780710012056m34562ab5v7bd1710247508242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470235BE.9000407@sun.com> Hey, Brandorr wrote: > Huh? Why would someone be contacted to prepare a formal presentation, > if there aren't any? (Who would be doing the contacting? Who would > chose who is going to be contacted?) Exactly. No one. >> Hope that clears things up. If you'd like to participate in planning >> discussions, join our call tomorrow. > > Personally, I think there should be more open discussions, as > apparently planning is happening offline now. How about twice per > week? Or at the very least move more of the planning to the list. We talked about this during last week's call. Did you attend or read the minutes? Glynn From brandorr at opensolaris.org Tue Oct 2 05:08:47 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:08:47 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confusion over schedule In-Reply-To: <470235BE.9000407@sun.com> References: <470180ED.2000205@sun.com> <5b5090780710012056m34562ab5v7bd1710247508242@mail.gmail.com> <470235BE.9000407@sun.com> Message-ID: <5b5090780710020508q2261e968m3cf998b852da2137@mail.gmail.com> I called in a little late.. for the morning meeting... I on't recall this being brought up. On 10/2/07, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Brandorr wrote: > > Huh? Why would someone be contacted to prepare a formal presentation, > > if there aren't any? (Who would be doing the contacting? Who would > > chose who is going to be contacted?) > > Exactly. No one. > > >> Hope that clears things up. If you'd like to participate in planning > >> discussions, join our call tomorrow. > > > > Personally, I think there should be more open discussions, as > > apparently planning is happening offline now. How about twice per > > week? Or at the very least move more of the planning to the list. > > We talked about this during last week's call. Did you attend or read the minutes? > > > Glynn > -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Tue Oct 2 15:21:43 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:21:43 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confusion over schedule In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710020508q2261e968m3cf998b852da2137@mail.gmail.com> References: <470180ED.2000205@sun.com> <5b5090780710012056m34562ab5v7bd1710247508242@mail.gmail.com> <470235BE.9000407@sun.com> <5b5090780710020508q2261e968m3cf998b852da2137@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4702C477.2000003@sun.com> Brandorr wrote: > I called in a little late.. for the morning meeting... I on't recall > this being brought up. Might well have been in the second meeting perhaps? Either way, nothing really is happening very much in private. Just feels like someone (anyone) needs to grab the bulls by the horns and put down a rough schedule so that people can plan their time at the summit. Maybe the ideal situation is to map out the summit with what's currently on the wiki, and then provide some time for suggestions on a whiteboard when we get there. Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 06:24:31 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:24:31 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals Message-ID: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> Hey, *Summit Updates* I've made another bunch of refreshes to the schedule based on the planning discussions this morning, and we've tried hard to accommodate everyone - http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/ I think we're getting close to having something that will be really useful to set the scope of the weekend, while still providing the flexibility of a traditional unconference style summit. Tell me what you think. *Moderation* As many of you have already noticed, there's names beside each session. I've done that for a few reasons - not only does it provide an opportunity for me to figure out the best slots for each track (and hopefully making sure the right stakeholders are in the room), but also to request that we have some moderators taking some responsibility for that session. The idea of a moderator is to guide discussion through various sub-topics to successful completion, and make sure it reaches the goals that have been for that session. The obvious question is how best to define a set of goals. There might be many ways of achieving this, but one way might be to propose a set of goals before the summit as moderator. For an example [1], with the 'Release Planning' session, I might propose the following - o Understanding of what a time based release is o Understanding the Indiana 6 month cadence proposal o Understanding of what release practices and timeframes are currently used by different consolidations - ON, X, SFW, Install, JDS, CCD, others? o Understanding of what release practices and timeframes are currently used by different products - Solaris 10, Solaris Express, Nexenta, BeleniX, others? o Understanding what technical or social boundaries are connected with the existing release management processes - ARC, C-Team, PAC, P-Team o Proposal detailing required steps to get consolidations coordinated on a single timeframe. with the hope of having a well documented discussion (written up by the moderator, or volunteer), with a set of well defined actionable next steps. While next steps may not always be achievable, we can at least try and cover a lot of ground and information transfer both to those attending and those that cannot make it. Again, let me know what you think. There may be better approaches, but least of all, I'd encourage you to really think about what you want to see from the summit. Glynn [1] Let's not go off on a tangent here From anil.verve at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 06:45:18 2007 From: anil.verve at gmail.com (Anil Gulecha) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:15:18 +0530 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Involving students in Project Indiana Message-ID: <148d59250710030645n3a6dfa58yedbae601b3914bbc@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I've been collecting information from Sun campus ambassadors around the world, and have received a lot of helpful feedback on the current perception of OS. However I'm torn between a talk and a BoF. So before proposing one (and it could be a little late for a talk), here's what I want to talk and discuss: * Sun's CA program reaches ten's of thousands of students in hundreds of universities worldwide. How do we encourage students to participate? * What are the ways a student can participate (and the required learning curve for each). * Will the barrier to entry to students be the same as everyone else? (Or will we have programs, like the mentorship program discussed on the other lists, to reduce the barrier for students.) Getting students interested early has the potential to create longtime contributors. The first time in open source is memorable. * Feedback from students, and what is sorely missed by us. What do we love, and what do we hate? As you can see, I'll be providing the information for a few points above, and want to community members to pitch in for the other points. So what will be the best format to discuss? A presentation (I could create one based on all info I have) followed by a discussion? Or a BoF session? Or talk during the free time? Cheers Anil From brandorr at opensolaris.org Wed Oct 3 07:53:06 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:53:06 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Involving students in Project Indiana In-Reply-To: <148d59250710030645n3a6dfa58yedbae601b3914bbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <148d59250710030645n3a6dfa58yedbae601b3914bbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b5090780710030753h3a294095v23f46b6ab6aafdae@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/07, Anil Gulecha wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been collecting information from Sun campus ambassadors around > the world, and have received a lot of helpful feedback on the current > perception of OS. > > However I'm torn between a talk and a BoF. So before proposing one > (and it could be a little late for a talk), here's what I want to talk > and discuss: > > * Sun's CA program reaches ten's of thousands of students in hundreds > of universities worldwide. How do we encourage students to > participate? I am not very familiar with the CA program. My thoughts are that you need to get to the Faculty and curriculum and the students will follow. Her is some Open coursework that I found on the docs CG homepage: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/doc_index/core_concepts/ > * What are the ways a student can participate (and the required > learning curve for each). Michelle Olsen has put together a great introductory doc for students (It is related to the docs linked above): http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/edu/curriculum_development/OSOLINTROOS_2.2.pdf > * Will the barrier to entry to students be the same as everyone else? > (Or will we have programs, like the mentorship program discussed on > the other lists, to reduce the barrier for students.) Getting students > interested early has the potential to create longtime contributors. > The first time in open source is memorable. Actually I think it will be lower due to the nature of freetime, and focus. One of my ideas behind the mentorship program is to take those students that might have an interest in developing or working with OpenSolaris, a suitable mentor to guide them down the path. The mentor would be available at a minimum 15 minutes per week to talk with the mentee. (Also the mentorship program I envision would not be limited to students.) > * Feedback from students, and what is sorely missed by us. What do we > love, and what do we hate? > > As you can see, I'll be providing the information for a few points > above, and want to community members to pitch in for the other points. > > So what will be the best format to discuss? A presentation (I could > create one based on all info I have) followed by a discussion? Or a > BoF session? Or talk during the free time? I am not sure, but am definitely open to talking during free time, as I have been leading the discussion of a mentorship project, and would love to get your perspective as to what might work, and might not. (And if you want to help that would be great too). > Cheers > Anil > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 08:21:03 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:21:03 +0900 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Involving students in Project Indiana In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710030753h3a294095v23f46b6ab6aafdae@mail.gmail.com> References: <148d59250710030645n3a6dfa58yedbae601b3914bbc@mail.gmail.com> <5b5090780710030753h3a294095v23f46b6ab6aafdae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4703B35F.2040100@sun.com> Brandorr wrote: > On 10/3/07, Anil Gulecha wrote: >> So what will be the best format to discuss? A presentation (I could >> create one based on all info I have) followed by a discussion? Or a >> BoF session? Or talk during the free time? I think this would be a great BOF. Not a formal session. It needs to be interactive and informal. And also I think the entire issue of university students would fit nicely with Brian's mentoring discussion (and hopefully future project). I think we can do a lot more with students around the world. The CA program is a Sun program, which is fine, but I think the OpenSolaris community can participate more actively as well. > I am not sure, but am definitely open to talking during free time, as > I have been leading the discussion of a mentorship project, and would > love to get your perspective as to what might work, and might not. > (And if you want to help that would be great too). Jim -- http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From anil.verve at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 08:52:27 2007 From: anil.verve at gmail.com (Anil Gulecha) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:22:27 +0530 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Involving students in Project Indiana In-Reply-To: <4703B35F.2040100@sun.com> References: <148d59250710030645n3a6dfa58yedbae601b3914bbc@mail.gmail.com> <5b5090780710030753h3a294095v23f46b6ab6aafdae@mail.gmail.com> <4703B35F.2040100@sun.com> Message-ID: <148d59250710030852j3b4aa6dl8c9cc9dd8ef3812d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jim/Brian, On 10/3/07, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > > Brandorr wrote: > > On 10/3/07, Anil Gulecha wrote: > > >> So what will be the best format to discuss? A presentation (I could > >> create one based on all info I have) followed by a discussion? Or a > >> BoF session? Or talk during the free time? > > I think this would be a great BOF. Not a formal session. It needs to be > interactive and informal. > > And also I think the entire issue of university students would fit > nicely with Brian's mentoring discussion (and hopefully future project). > I think we can do a lot more with students around the world. The CA > program is a Sun program, which is fine, but I think the OpenSolaris > community can participate more actively as well. > Yes, It's a Sun program, but it's agenda is to introduce and involve students in open source technologies. Opensolaris topics like ZFS, Dtrace and zones form a big part of the sessions. As such it would be a very good platform to introduce Indiana to students. > > I am not sure, but am definitely open to talking during free time, as > > I have been leading the discussion of a mentorship project, and would > > love to get your perspective as to what might work, and might not. > > (And if you want to help that would be great too). Definitely! See you all at the summit. Anil From storycrafter at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 09:25:33 2007 From: storycrafter at gmail.com (Mark Martin) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:25:33 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confirming video recordings for summit will be available? Message-ID: Are we still on track to have video available for streaming or downloading during or after the summit? Are non-attending volunteers needed for anything? I noticed the meeting minutes mentioned it briefly, but I'm not clear if there's more discussion or work needed. Thanks, Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------ Born to the false world, the wanderer, Storyteller, The Pied Piper On a quest for immortality Gathering a troop to find the fantasy -- Nightwish -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Dave.Miner at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 11:35:17 2007 From: Dave.Miner at Sun.COM (Dave Miner) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:35:17 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> Message-ID: <4703E0E5.5090204@sun.com> Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > *Summit Updates* > I've made another bunch of refreshes to the schedule based on the planning > discussions this morning, and we've tried hard to accommodate everyone - > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/ > > I think we're getting close to having something that will be really useful to > set the scope of the weekend, while still providing the flexibility of a > traditional unconference style summit. Tell me what you think. > Well, I was on vacation and thus couldn't respond when the initial idea was posted, but I'm not in favor of having parallel tracks on packaging and installation, as it seems like there's too much overlap of interest between the two. Perhaps we can compress and combine the two? Using the times & topics suggested there right now, something like: 11:30 Package Format & Creation 12:30 Network Repository Creation and Infrastructure 14:30 Slim Install 15:30 Distribution Constructor 17:00 ZFS to the Max 17:30 Snap Upgrade And move the virtualized install (I have no idea what this would be) and patching (assuming Stephen actually wants to talk about that) topics to Sunday. Dave From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 12:54:41 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:54:41 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Hotel Reminder Message-ID: <4703F381.3030001@sun.com> Another reminder: If you'd like a hotel room and have yet to reserve one, please email me at jesse.silver at sun.com Thanks, Jesse From Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 13:25:45 2007 From: Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM (Stuart Kreitman) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:25:45 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] /#opensolaris has 229 logins Message-ID: <4703FAC9.5060400@sun.com> I wonder whether folks on this mailing list are also watching the opensolaris IRC channel on freenode. At a minimum, we should put up some publicity for the Summit on the title line. If you're looking for a list of interested grass roots names, there's a great list to start with. Stuart From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 14:25:37 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:25:37 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confirming video recordings for summit will be available? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470408D1.4080504@sun.com> Hey Mark Martin wrote: > Are we still on track to have video available for streaming or > downloading during or after the summit? Are non-attending volunteers > needed for anything? > > I noticed the meeting minutes mentioned it briefly, but I'm not clear if > there's more discussion or work needed. I don't think there are any plans to video session, though I'm hoping there will be audio recordings for some, but not all sessions. We'll also have an IRC window projected on the wall in each room, though I'm not personally sure how effective that is going to be. Glynn From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 14:47:33 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:47:33 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] /#opensolaris has 229 logins In-Reply-To: <4703FAC9.5060400@sun.com> References: <4703FAC9.5060400@sun.com> Message-ID: <47040DF5.2090701@sun.com> It would be great if we publicize the Summit on our IRC channel. Anything you can do on this would be great Stuart. Thanks, Jesse Stuart Kreitman wrote: > I wonder whether folks on this mailing list are also watching the > opensolaris IRC channel on freenode. > At a minimum, we should put up some publicity for the Summit on the > title line. > If you're looking for a list of interested grass roots names, there's a > great list to start with. > > Stuart > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Michelle.Olson at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 14:49:34 2007 From: Michelle.Olson at Sun.COM (Michelle Olson) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:49:34 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> Message-ID: <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> Hi Glynn, Thanks for all of your time to set up this schedule. I have given some thought to what I'd like to see and wrote it up for folks to think about. Here goes, if unreadable in email, I'll post to a web page. Schedule Proposal OSOL Dev Summit version: alpha, 10.3.2007 This document describes a proposed schedule of activities for the OSOL summit that focuses on 'putting to work' the Community/Project organization of opensolaris.org toward a release that incorporates contributions from 22 communities represented at the summit and integration of as many projects or more. Day1, Oct 13th -------------- 9-9:30 Keynote, Ian Murdock 9:30-10 State of OGB, status & challenges 10-1 Community Panels & Demos (1 hour per grouping, 20 min per bullet item) -Contributors: Dennis Clark, Jeorg Schilling, Eric Hamilton, Martin Bochnig, Phillip Brown, Roland Mainz -Academics: UCSC, UC Merced, Technical Univ. Berlin, USC, JHU, JSSATE, U of Northern BC -Partners: PostgreSQL, Twitter, Intel, Blastwave, Joyent, cuddletech, 4Front, Boeing, Intel, Fraunhofer Fokus, Wipro, Logical Approach, Songbird -CommunitiesA: ON, Install & Packaging, Approachability, Arch -CommunitiesB: Device Drivers, Laptop, X Window -CommunitiesC: Storage, ZFS, Security, Zones -CommunitiesD: Desktop, Tools, Games, Xen -CommunitiesE: Sysadmin, Test, SMF -CommunitiesF: Advocacy, Academic, Website, Docs Lunch 2-4 Project Breakouts w/ Facilitator -CommunitiesA&C: Ian -New Installer -Image Package -Conary? -Slim Install -Snap Upgrade -Network Repository -others? -CommunitiesB&D: Glynn -GNU userspace -Desktop -FOX -Drivers & Laptop support -Sun Studio -others? -CommunitiesE&F: Jesse & Sara -Test -SMF -Press & Communication Plans -System Administration -others? 4-4:30 Snack break & re-mix 4:30-6:30 Project Breakouts w/ Facilitator (cont.) -CommunitiesA&C: Ian -Distro Constructor -Virtualized install -Patching -ZFS Boot -ksh93 -LiveMedia -others? -CommunitiesB&D: Glynn -Open Sound -SFW -Power Mgmt -Web Stack -cdrtool -star -others? -CommunitiesE&F: Sara & Jesse -Website re-design -Starter Kit -Curriculum -HowTos & Guides & FAQs -others? Day2, Oct 14th -------------- 9-10 Release Management -Glynn 10-1 Project Plan Breakouts w/ Facilitator (Community groups develop straw plans for 2 weeks, 2 months & 5 months, hand-off to Ian to draft roadmap) Lunch 2-4 Architecture -John 4-5 Branding, Acknowlegement, Advocacy -Sara 5-6 Roadmap of phases through Go/NoGo on March ballot -Ian Thoughts? I'm offline for a bit, but wanted to get this out there today. Thanks, Michelle Glynn Foster wrote: >Hey, > >*Summit Updates* >I've made another bunch of refreshes to the schedule based on the planning >discussions this morning, and we've tried hard to accommodate everyone - > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/ > >I think we're getting close to having something that will be really useful to >set the scope of the weekend, while still providing the flexibility of a >traditional unconference style summit. Tell me what you think. > >*Moderation* >As many of you have already noticed, there's names beside each session. I've >done that for a few reasons - not only does it provide an opportunity for me to >figure out the best slots for each track (and hopefully making sure the right >stakeholders are in the room), but also to request that we have some moderators >taking some responsibility for that session. > >The idea of a moderator is to guide discussion through various sub-topics to >successful completion, and make sure it reaches the goals that have been for >that session. The obvious question is how best to define a set of goals. > >There might be many ways of achieving this, but one way might be to propose a >set of goals before the summit as moderator. For an example [1], with the >'Release Planning' session, I might propose the following - > > o Understanding of what a time based release is > o Understanding the Indiana 6 month cadence proposal > o Understanding of what release practices and timeframes are currently used > by different consolidations - ON, X, SFW, Install, JDS, CCD, others? > o Understanding of what release practices and timeframes are currently used > by different products - Solaris 10, Solaris Express, Nexenta, BeleniX, > others? > o Understanding what technical or social boundaries are connected with the > existing release management processes - ARC, C-Team, PAC, P-Team > o Proposal detailing required steps to get consolidations coordinated on a > single timeframe. > >with the hope of having a well documented discussion (written up by the >moderator, or volunteer), with a set of well defined actionable next steps. >While next steps may not always be achievable, we can at least try and cover a >lot of ground and information transfer both to those attending and those that >cannot make it. > >Again, let me know what you think. There may be better approaches, but least of >all, I'd encourage you to really think about what you want to see from the summit. > > > >Glynn > >[1] Let's not go off on a tangent here >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-summit mailing list >opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > > From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 14:52:21 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:52:21 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <47040F15.3040401@sun.com> That plan looks fantastic to me. Michelle Olson wrote: > Hi Glynn, > > Thanks for all of your time to set up this schedule. I have given some > thought to what I'd like to see and wrote it up for folks to think > about. Here goes, if unreadable in email, I'll post to a web page. > > Schedule Proposal > OSOL Dev Summit > version: alpha, 10.3.2007 > > This document describes a proposed schedule of activities for the OSOL > summit that focuses on 'putting to work' the Community/Project organization > of opensolaris.org toward a release that incorporates contributions > from 22 communities represented at the summit and integration of as many > projects or more. > > > Day1, Oct 13th > -------------- > > 9-9:30 Keynote, Ian Murdock > > 9:30-10 State of OGB, status & challenges > > 10-1 Community Panels & Demos > (1 hour per grouping, 20 min per bullet item) > > -Contributors: Dennis Clark, Jeorg Schilling, Eric Hamilton, Martin > Bochnig, Phillip Brown, Roland Mainz > -Academics: UCSC, UC Merced, Technical Univ. Berlin, USC, JHU, JSSATE, U > of Northern BC > -Partners: PostgreSQL, Twitter, Intel, Blastwave, Joyent, cuddletech, > 4Front, Boeing, Intel, Fraunhofer Fokus, Wipro, Logical Approach, Songbird > > -CommunitiesA: ON, Install & Packaging, Approachability, Arch > -CommunitiesB: Device Drivers, Laptop, X Window > -CommunitiesC: Storage, ZFS, Security, Zones > > -CommunitiesD: Desktop, Tools, Games, Xen > -CommunitiesE: Sysadmin, Test, SMF > -CommunitiesF: Advocacy, Academic, Website, Docs > > Lunch > > 2-4 Project Breakouts w/ Facilitator > -CommunitiesA&C: Ian > -New Installer > -Image Package > -Conary? > -Slim Install > -Snap Upgrade > -Network Repository > -others? > > -CommunitiesB&D: Glynn > -GNU userspace > -Desktop > -FOX > -Drivers & Laptop support > -Sun Studio > -others? > > -CommunitiesE&F: Jesse & Sara > -Test > -SMF > -Press & Communication Plans > -System Administration > -others? > > 4-4:30 Snack break & re-mix > > 4:30-6:30 Project Breakouts w/ Facilitator (cont.) > > -CommunitiesA&C: Ian > -Distro Constructor > -Virtualized install > -Patching > -ZFS Boot > -ksh93 > -LiveMedia > -others? > > -CommunitiesB&D: Glynn > -Open Sound > -SFW > -Power Mgmt > -Web Stack > -cdrtool > -star > -others? > > -CommunitiesE&F: Sara & Jesse > -Website re-design > -Starter Kit > -Curriculum > -HowTos & Guides & FAQs > -others? > > Day2, Oct 14th > -------------- > > 9-10 Release Management -Glynn > > 10-1 Project Plan Breakouts w/ Facilitator > (Community groups develop straw plans for 2 weeks, 2 months & 5 > months, hand-off to Ian to draft roadmap) > > Lunch > > 2-4 Architecture -John > 4-5 Branding, Acknowlegement, Advocacy -Sara > 5-6 Roadmap of phases through Go/NoGo on March ballot -Ian > > Thoughts? I'm offline for a bit, but wanted to get this out there today. > > Thanks, > Michelle > > > > > Glynn Foster wrote: > > >> Hey, >> >> *Summit Updates* >> I've made another bunch of refreshes to the schedule based on the planning >> discussions this morning, and we've tried hard to accommodate everyone - >> >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/ >> >> I think we're getting close to having something that will be really useful to >> set the scope of the weekend, while still providing the flexibility of a >> traditional unconference style summit. Tell me what you think. >> >> *Moderation* >> As many of you have already noticed, there's names beside each session. I've >> done that for a few reasons - not only does it provide an opportunity for me to >> figure out the best slots for each track (and hopefully making sure the right >> stakeholders are in the room), but also to request that we have some moderators >> taking some responsibility for that session. >> >> The idea of a moderator is to guide discussion through various sub-topics to >> successful completion, and make sure it reaches the goals that have been for >> that session. The obvious question is how best to define a set of goals. >> >> There might be many ways of achieving this, but one way might be to propose a >> set of goals before the summit as moderator. For an example [1], with the >> 'Release Planning' session, I might propose the following - >> >> o Understanding of what a time based release is >> o Understanding the Indiana 6 month cadence proposal >> o Understanding of what release practices and timeframes are currently used >> by different consolidations - ON, X, SFW, Install, JDS, CCD, others? >> o Understanding of what release practices and timeframes are currently used >> by different products - Solaris 10, Solaris Express, Nexenta, BeleniX, >> others? >> o Understanding what technical or social boundaries are connected with the >> existing release management processes - ARC, C-Team, PAC, P-Team >> o Proposal detailing required steps to get consolidations coordinated on a >> single timeframe. >> >> with the hope of having a well documented discussion (written up by the >> moderator, or volunteer), with a set of well defined actionable next steps. >> While next steps may not always be achievable, we can at least try and cover a >> lot of ground and information transfer both to those attending and those that >> cannot make it. >> >> Again, let me know what you think. There may be better approaches, but least of >> all, I'd encourage you to really think about what you want to see from the summit. >> >> >> >> Glynn >> >> [1] Let's not go off on a tangent here >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From storycrafter at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 15:27:31 2007 From: storycrafter at gmail.com (Mark Martin) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:27:31 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confirming video recordings for summit will be available? In-Reply-To: <470408D1.4080504@sun.com> References: <470408D1.4080504@sun.com> Message-ID: On 10/3/07, Glynn Foster wrote: > > I don't think there are any plans to video session, though I'm hoping > there will > be audio recordings for some, but not all sessions. Fair enough. I'm just hoping that us non-attendees will be able to review as much as possible the information that will be exchanged -- especially given the process-oriented nature of much of it. -- ------------------------------------------------------ Born to the false world, the wanderer, Storyteller, The Pied Piper On a quest for immortality Gathering a troop to find the fantasy -- Nightwish -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 15:41:55 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:41:55 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confirming video recordings for summit will be available? In-Reply-To: References: <470408D1.4080504@sun.com> Message-ID: <47041AB3.50402@sun.com> Hey, Mark Martin wrote: > On 10/3/07, *Glynn Foster* > wrote: > > I don't think there are any plans to video session, though I'm > hoping there will > be audio recordings for some, but not all sessions. > > > Fair enough. I'm just hoping that us non-attendees will be able to > review as much as possible the information that will be exchanged -- > especially given the process-oriented nature of much of it. Absolutely - it's one of my biggest priorities. Ideally we'll have a moderator doing a write up of each session, and we'll post that to the list. I'd also hope that there'll be a ton of blog content too [hint, hint]. Glynn From swalker at opensolaris.org Wed Oct 3 15:47:09 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:47:09 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> Message-ID: On 03/10/2007, Michelle Olson wrote: > 9-9:30 Keynote, Ian Murdock But someone has to convince Ian to wear a turtleneck (joking)... > 9:30-10 State of OGB, status & challenges > > 10-1 Community Panels & Demos > (1 hour per grouping, 20 min per bullet item) > > -Contributors: Dennis Clark, Jeorg Schilling, Eric Hamilton, Martin > Bochnig, Phillip Brown, Roland Mainz > -Academics: UCSC, UC Merced, Technical Univ. Berlin, USC, JHU, JSSATE, U > of Northern BC > -Partners: PostgreSQL, Twitter, Intel, Blastwave, Joyent, cuddletech, > 4Front, Boeing, Intel, Fraunhofer Fokus, Wipro, Logical Approach, Songbird > > -CommunitiesA: ON, Install & Packaging, Approachability, Arch > -CommunitiesB: Device Drivers, Laptop, X Window > -CommunitiesC: Storage, ZFS, Security, Zones > > -CommunitiesD: Desktop, Tools, Games, Xen > -CommunitiesE: Sysadmin, Test, SMF > -CommunitiesF: Advocacy, Academic, Website, Docs Can you clarify how the time would be split up here? I'm assuming you are implying that: Contributors, Academics, Partners - get 1 hour A,B,C - 20 minutes each D,E,F - 20 minutes each Am I right? > Thoughts? I'm offline for a bit, but wanted to get this out there today. Some great suggestions, thanks! -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From swalker at opensolaris.org Wed Oct 3 15:53:48 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:53:48 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] /#opensolaris has 229 logins In-Reply-To: <47040DF5.2090701@sun.com> References: <4703FAC9.5060400@sun.com> <47040DF5.2090701@sun.com> Message-ID: On 03/10/2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > It would be great if we publicize the Summit on our IRC channel. > Anything you can do on this would be great Stuart. > > Thanks, > Jesse > > Stuart Kreitman wrote: > > I wonder whether folks on this mailing list are also watching the > > opensolaris IRC channel on freenode. > > At a minimum, we should put up some publicity for the Summit on the > > title line. > > If you're looking for a list of interested grass roots names, there's a > > great list to start with. Of note is that we've almost hit our max attenndee limits: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit 89 folks "registered" -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 16:42:16 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:42:16 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware Message-ID: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> Hi guys- So we've secured the following hardware for the Summit- 1 M5000 w/ 4 processors, 16 GB memory, 2x73 GB storage 2 X2100 (x86) boxes 2 T1000 (SPARC) boxes 6 SunRay 270's 1 SunRay 100 (to be used as serial communicator...not sure what this is, but he told me we need it) UCSC also has the following servers available; we donated them as part of the Summit deal, but they have yet to set them up and are offering them for our use for the weekend: 1 T2000 w/ T1 eight core processor, 8 GB memory, 2x73 GB storage 1 X4200 M2 w/ 2 Opterons, 8 GB memory, 2x146 GB storage As of now, Roland and I think Alan are planning on coming to UCSC on Friday to set these things up. Am I correct about that Alan? If anyone else has an interest in helping us with these, please let me know. We will be going to UCSC in the early afternoon and need to set these boxes up from scratch. We especially need someone familiar with setting up a SunRay server. We'll place the 6 or 7 SunRays in various rooms at the Summit. Please let me know what I'm missing. Thanks, Jesse From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 16:45:47 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:45:47 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> Message-ID: <470429AB.2030908@sun.com> I almost forgot- Also on Friday we need to set up our network. 3 rooms will be taken care of, but two rooms will not have direct LAN access, only wireless. For those rooms, we need to wire a few switches with long cat5 cables from the rooms w/ hard wired LAN access. Some people volunteered for this in our Summit planning meeting. If this was you, please contact me so we can finalize the plan. Jesse Silver wrote: > Hi guys- > > So we've secured the following hardware for the Summit- > > 1 M5000 w/ 4 processors, 16 GB memory, 2x73 GB storage > 2 X2100 (x86) boxes > 2 T1000 (SPARC) boxes > 6 SunRay 270's > 1 SunRay 100 (to be used as serial communicator...not sure what this is, > but he told me we need it) > > UCSC also has the following servers available; we donated them as part > of the Summit deal, but they have yet to set them up and are offering > them for our use for the weekend: > > 1 T2000 w/ T1 eight core processor, 8 GB memory, 2x73 GB storage > 1 X4200 M2 w/ 2 Opterons, 8 GB memory, 2x146 GB storage > > As of now, Roland and I think Alan are planning on coming to UCSC on > Friday to set these things up. Am I correct about that Alan? > > If anyone else has an interest in helping us with these, please let me > know. We will be going to UCSC in the early afternoon and need to set > these boxes up from scratch. We especially need someone familiar with > setting up a SunRay server. We'll place the 6 or 7 SunRays in various > rooms at the Summit. > > Please let me know what I'm missing. > > Thanks, > Jesse > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From alan.coopersmith at sun.com Wed Oct 3 16:52:36 2007 From: alan.coopersmith at sun.com (Alan Coopersmith) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:52:36 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> Message-ID: <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > As of now, Roland and I think Alan are planning on coming to UCSC on > Friday to set these things up. Am I correct about that Alan? It's the first I'd heard of it - I have no plans to show up in Santa Cruz until Saturday morning. As far as I knew, my contribution to the hardware was having some german keyboards in my office for you to pick up and bring down so Roland could type less painfully during the setup. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 16:57:40 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:57:40 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> Message-ID: <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> Ahh.. sorry about that Alan. I thought I may have the wrong guy. Was it perhaps you Stuart who offered to help? Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> As of now, Roland and I think Alan are planning on coming to UCSC on >> Friday to set these things up. Am I correct about that Alan? >> > > It's the first I'd heard of it - I have no plans to show up in Santa Cruz > until Saturday morning. As far as I knew, my contribution to the hardware > was having some german keyboards in my office for you to pick up and bring > down so Roland could type less painfully during the setup. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swalker at opensolaris.org Wed Oct 3 16:58:24 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:58:24 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> Message-ID: Al Hopper did on yesterday's call. On 03/10/2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > > Ahh.. sorry about that Alan. I thought I may have the wrong guy. > > Was it perhaps you Stuart who offered to help? > > Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: > > > As of now, Roland and I think Alan are planning on coming to UCSC on > Friday to set these things up. Am I correct about that Alan? > > It's the first I'd heard of it - I have no plans to show up in Santa Cruz > until Saturday morning. As far as I knew, my contribution to the hardware > was having some german keyboards in my office for you to pick up and bring > down so Roland could type less painfully during the setup. > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > > -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 17:02:58 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:02:58 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> Message-ID: <47042DB2.6060105@sun.com> There we go- thanks Shawn. Al, could you give me a call so we can discuss the Friday setup? 877-868-6937 Shawn Walker wrote: > Al Hopper did on yesterday's call. > > On 03/10/2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > >> Ahh.. sorry about that Alan. I thought I may have the wrong guy. >> >> Was it perhaps you Stuart who offered to help? >> >> Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> Jesse Silver wrote: >> >> >> As of now, Roland and I think Alan are planning on coming to UCSC on >> Friday to set these things up. Am I correct about that Alan? >> >> It's the first I'd heard of it - I have no plans to show up in Santa Cruz >> until Saturday morning. As far as I knew, my contribution to the hardware >> was having some german keyboards in my office for you to pick up and bring >> down so Roland could type less painfully during the setup. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 17:08:02 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:08:02 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> Message-ID: <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> Hey, Jesse Silver wrote: > Hi guys- > > So we've secured the following hardware for the Summit- > > 1 M5000 w/ 4 processors, 16 GB memory, 2x73 GB storage > 2 X2100 (x86) boxes > 2 T1000 (SPARC) boxes > 6 SunRay 270's > 1 SunRay 100 (to be used as serial communicator...not sure what this is, > but he told me we need it) > > UCSC also has the following servers available; we donated them as part > of the Summit deal, but they have yet to set them up and are offering > them for our use for the weekend: > > 1 T2000 w/ T1 eight core processor, 8 GB memory, 2x73 GB storage > 1 X4200 M2 w/ 2 Opterons, 8 GB memory, 2x146 GB storage This seems somewhat excessive, and may result in some pretty high shipping charges. Can someone explain why we need such a set up? Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 17:21:52 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:21:52 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <47043220.4030403@sun.com> Hey Michelle, Michelle Olson wrote: > This document describes a proposed schedule of activities for the OSOL > summit that focuses on 'putting to work' the Community/Project organization > of opensolaris.org toward a release that incorporates contributions > from 22 communities represented at the summit and integration of as many > projects or more. Hrm, this is pretty radically different from the proposed schedule that we've discussed for the past 3 weeks on the planning calls. I'm personally not convinced it's focused enough to be productive, though I'd like to try and incorporate some of the ideas you've spawned. Stephen Hahn also suggested that the Installation & Packaging tracks be merged too since there's a lot of overlap both in technology and stakeholders. The intent of Saturday was to focus on 3 main issues (Installation, Packaging and Modernization), and provide opportunities for more focused breakouts based on those topics. Sunday was very much planned to be more focused on the social aspect (release engineering, governance, website, arc, barriers to entry). I'm not going to change over the schedule point blank until I can be convinced otherwise though - we're only just over a week away, and I don't want to turn a full circle. Glynn From swalker at opensolaris.org Wed Oct 3 17:37:50 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:37:50 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> Message-ID: On 03/10/2007, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Jesse Silver wrote: > > Hi guys- > > > > So we've secured the following hardware for the Summit- > > > > 1 M5000 w/ 4 processors, 16 GB memory, 2x73 GB storage > > 2 X2100 (x86) boxes > > 2 T1000 (SPARC) boxes > > 6 SunRay 270's > > 1 SunRay 100 (to be used as serial communicator...not sure what this is, > > but he told me we need it) > > > > UCSC also has the following servers available; we donated them as part > > of the Summit deal, but they have yet to set them up and are offering > > them for our use for the weekend: > > > > 1 T2000 w/ T1 eight core processor, 8 GB memory, 2x73 GB storage > > 1 X4200 M2 w/ 2 Opterons, 8 GB memory, 2x146 GB storage > > This seems somewhat excessive, and may result in some pretty high shipping > charges. Can someone explain why we need such a set up? The last I heard was that certain folks that wanted to do some build experimentation on high-end systems where certain issues would become obvious because of the performance of the system. The SunRays were so multiple people could easily work on a system. Joerg, Roland, and a few others would be the folks to ask. -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From benr at cuddletech.com Wed Oct 3 17:56:26 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:56:26 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> Message-ID: <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> I can help in this area. I'd be happy to provide temporary Joyent Accelerators (Solaris Zones) for the event. Mind you, these have the natural limitations of a Zone so they may not fit the bill totally. In addition, I have at least one T1000 unallocated and may be able to have one or more X4100's available as well. One implied advantage of this is that there would be no noisy machines drowning out the conversation. For onsite systems, I think we'd be better served by Ultra40 workstations. If there won't be any I might bring mine. benr. From swalker at opensolaris.org Wed Oct 3 18:02:25 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:02:25 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: On 03/10/2007, Ben Rockwood wrote: > I can help in this area. I'd be happy to provide temporary Joyent > Accelerators (Solaris Zones) for the event. Mind you, these have the > natural limitations of a Zone so they may not fit the bill totally. Joerg, Roland and others indicated on the summit conference calls that they wanted to be able to do a "bare metal" install. However, I know that some of the things desired could possibly be doable with what you suggest. > One implied advantage of this is that there would be no noisy machines > drowning out the conversation. These would be set up in one of the "spare" rooms, so that shouldn't be an issue. Personally, I'm still of the view that the time period we have is too short to bring in this much hardware, but I'm not the one who asked for it, so I can't assess the need properly. -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From gdamore at sun.com Wed Oct 3 18:05:59 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:05:59 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> Ben Rockwood wrote: > I can help in this area. I'd be happy to provide temporary Joyent > Accelerators (Solaris Zones) for the event. Mind you, these have the > natural limitations of a Zone so they may not fit the bill totally. > > In addition, I have at least one T1000 unallocated and may be able to > have one or more X4100's available as well. > > One implied advantage of this is that there would be no noisy machines > drowning out the conversation. > > For onsite systems, I think we'd be better served by Ultra40 > workstations. If there won't be any I might bring mine. > > benr. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > I'm still trying to decide whether to go or not, given the way the agenda has evolved. (I.e. pretty non-technical focus ... or at least pretty far away from my main areas of interest, which is kernel/platform/driver related stuff.) Given that this isn't going to be a hackathon-like event, how important is it to provide all this equipment? I think a single Sun Ray server with a half dozen Sun Rays would be adequate, as most folks will probably have laptops they will bring. (Far, far more important, IMO, will be decent network connectivity.) Now if I'm mistaken, and this is going to have some breakout technical work/problem solving sessions where having machines handy to try things out is going to be important, then I'd really like to know, because it will certainly help motivate me. -- Garrett From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 18:08:11 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:08:11 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <47043CFB.500@sun.com> The servers will be racked in the UCSC engineering server room. There will be no noise. Ben - I am happy with whatever arrangement you guys come to that satisfies the group who want to hack and test. Roland is, unfortunately, traveling on business until Sunday and told me he may not answer his email. The kickers is we have to decide what we want shipped by Friday at the latest... Ben Rockwood wrote: > I can help in this area. I'd be happy to provide temporary Joyent > Accelerators (Solaris Zones) for the event. Mind you, these have the > natural limitations of a Zone so they may not fit the bill totally. > > In addition, I have at least one T1000 unallocated and may be able to > have one or more X4100's available as well. > One implied advantage of this is that there would be no noisy machines > drowning out the conversation. > > For onsite systems, I think we'd be better served by Ultra40 > workstations. If there won't be any I might bring mine. > > benr. From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 18:09:27 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:09:27 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <47043D47.2080500@sun.com> We are also working with UCSC on getting permission for a group of Summit goers to stay late on Saturday and Sunday nights, so they can hack all they want. Shawn Walker wrote: > On 03/10/2007, Ben Rockwood wrote: > >> I can help in this area. I'd be happy to provide temporary Joyent >> Accelerators (Solaris Zones) for the event. Mind you, these have the >> natural limitations of a Zone so they may not fit the bill totally. >> > > Joerg, Roland and others indicated on the summit conference calls that > they wanted to be able to do a "bare metal" install. > > However, I know that some of the things desired could possibly be > doable with what you suggest. > > >> One implied advantage of this is that there would be no noisy machines >> drowning out the conversation. >> > > These would be set up in one of the "spare" rooms, so that shouldn't > be an issue. > > Personally, I'm still of the view that the time period we have is too > short to bring in this much hardware, but I'm not the one who asked > for it, so I can't assess the need properly. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 18:18:18 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:18:18 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> Message-ID: <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/07, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: > > I can help in this area. I'd be happy to provide temporary Joyent > > Accelerators (Solaris Zones) for the event. Mind you, these have the > > natural limitations of a Zone so they may not fit the bill totally. > > > > In addition, I have at least one T1000 unallocated and may be able to > > have one or more X4100's available as well. > > > > One implied advantage of this is that there would be no noisy machines > > drowning out the conversation. > > > > For onsite systems, I think we'd be better served by Ultra40 > > workstations. If there won't be any I might bring mine. > > > > benr. > > _______________________________________________ > > opensolaris-summit mailing list > > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > > > I'm still trying to decide whether to go or not, given the way the > agenda has evolved. (I.e. pretty non-technical focus ... or at least > pretty far away from my main areas of interest, which is > kernel/platform/driver related stuff.) > > Given that this isn't going to be a hackathon-like event, how important > is it to provide all this equipment? I think a single Sun Ray server > with a half dozen Sun Rays would be adequate, as most folks will > probably have laptops they will bring. (Far, far more important, IMO, > will be decent network connectivity.) > > Now if I'm mistaken, and this is going to have some breakout technical > work/problem solving sessions where having machines handy to try things > out is going to be important, then I'd really like to know, because it > will certainly help motivate me. FWIW, I'd like to have more hard technical discussion as well. Eg, I'd like if a couple of us could get together and hack HFS+ support in to Solaris (this particular example is for purely selfish reasons involving my laptop, my ipod & my SPARC), or something -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu From bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de Wed Oct 3 18:44:09 2007 From: bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de (Martin Bochnig) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:44:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware Message-ID: Hey, I will most probably take my (slow) 500MHz US-IIe SPARCle-500SX laptop with me (512MB, 20GB, LAN, WiFi, VGA, 15", CD, but no DVD). In order to demo fox-gate__on__SPARC (in a smaller circle, not a speech). I am glad to offer it to anybody, who needs it for her / his presentation(s). Just contact me here (or at mb1x gmx com) and tell me what I should preconfigure on it. A full install takes up to 4 hours (initial install) or up to 7 hours (update) on it. A CD boot costs 5 mintes. It has only one disk (20GB), but I can manually prepare several installs to different slices s0-s7 on the same physical disk (plus nvaliases), if required. Or setup special zones. Depending on what is required. Initially I also wanted to buy a Turion64 based notebook (on loans), but I have to try two other sellers, maybe I get it, maybe not. If I can get hold of it, I will also offer it to anyone who needs it for his talk. %martin From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Oct 4 02:32:29 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:32:29 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47042DB2.6060105@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> <47042DB2.6060105@sun.com> Message-ID: <4704b32d.HQIQeCzspX+qow3y%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Jesse Silver wrote: > There we go- thanks Shawn. > > Al, could you give me a call so we can discuss the Friday setup? > 877-868-6937 > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > Al Hopper did on yesterday's call. I am a bit confused.... I thought that there was a con-call on tuesday but the number did not work. What it the current state of the don-calls? J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From alvaro at sun.com Thu Oct 4 02:42:11 2007 From: alvaro at sun.com (Alvaro Lopez Ortega) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:42:11 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> Message-ID: <4704B573.2050205@sun.com> Alan Coopersmith wrote, On 04/10/07 01:52: > Jesse Silver wrote: >> As of now, Roland and I think Alan are planning on coming to UCSC on >> Friday to set these things up. Am I correct about that Alan? > > It's the first I'd heard of it - I have no plans to show up in Santa Cruz > until Saturday morning. As far as I knew, my contribution to the hardware > was having some german keyboards in my office for you to pick up and bring > down so Roland could type less painfully during the setup. I will the there, so I'll be happy give you guys a hand to set it up. :-) -- Greetings, alo. From swalker at opensolaris.org Thu Oct 4 07:05:14 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:05:14 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <4704b32d.HQIQeCzspX+qow3y%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> <47042DB2.6060105@sun.com> <4704b32d.HQIQeCzspX+qow3y%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: On 04/10/2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: > > > There we go- thanks Shawn. > > > > Al, could you give me a call so we can discuss the Friday setup? > > 877-868-6937 > > > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > > Al Hopper did on yesterday's call. > > I am a bit confused.... I thought that there was a con-call on tuesday > but the number did not work. What it the current state of the don-calls? Sorry Joerg, I mistakenly said yesterday, I should have said Tuesday. Time sure does fly... -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Oct 4 07:05:58 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:05:58 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> <47042DB2.6060105@sun.com> <4704b32d.HQIQeCzspX+qow3y%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <4704f346.ZDvc91+u0U22IvN7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> "Shawn Walker" wrote: > On 04/10/2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Jesse Silver wrote: > > > > > There we go- thanks Shawn. > > > > > > Al, could you give me a call so we can discuss the Friday setup? > > > 877-868-6937 > > > > > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > > > Al Hopper did on yesterday's call. > > > > I am a bit confused.... I thought that there was a con-call on tuesday > > but the number did not work. What it the current state of the don-calls? > > Sorry Joerg, I mistakenly said yesterday, I should have said Tuesday. > Time sure does fly... I was unable to attend the tuesday meeting as the phone number was not valid at that time. J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From swalker at opensolaris.org Thu Oct 4 07:37:31 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:37:31 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <4704f346.ZDvc91+u0U22IvN7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> <47042DB2.6060105@sun.com> <4704b32d.HQIQeCzspX+qow3y%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4704f346.ZDvc91+u0U22IvN7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: On 04/10/2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: > "Shawn Walker" wrote: > > > On 04/10/2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > Jesse Silver wrote: > > > > > > > There we go- thanks Shawn. > > > > > > > > Al, could you give me a call so we can discuss the Friday setup? > > > > 877-868-6937 > > > > > > > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > > > > Al Hopper did on yesterday's call. > > > > > > I am a bit confused.... I thought that there was a con-call on tuesday > > > but the number did not work. What it the current state of the don-calls? > > > > Sorry Joerg, I mistakenly said yesterday, I should have said Tuesday. > > Time sure does fly... > > I was unable to attend the tuesday meeting as the phone number was not valid > at that time. Joerg, I'm not sure why you had an issue, but many of us dialed in from the outside. Admittedly, I didn't use the international access number. -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 07:44:56 2007 From: Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM (Stuart Kreitman) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 07:44:56 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4704FC68.8050809@sun.com> Martin: Let's figure out what machine(s) to allocate and setup out of our own lab at Sun. Again, I petition you for your travel plans so that I can help on this side of the world. Stuart Kreitman Martin Bochnig wrote: > Hey, > > I will most probably take my (slow) 500MHz US-IIe SPARCle-500SX laptop > with me (512MB, 20GB, LAN, WiFi, VGA, 15", CD, but no DVD). > In order to demo fox-gate__on__SPARC (in a smaller circle, not a speech). > > I am glad to offer it to anybody, who needs it for her / his > presentation(s). Just contact me here (or at mb1x gmx com) and tell me > what I should preconfigure on it. > A full install takes up to 4 hours (initial install) or up to 7 hours > (update) on it. A CD boot costs 5 mintes. > It has only one disk (20GB), but I can manually prepare several installs > to different slices s0-s7 on the same physical disk (plus nvaliases), if > required. Or setup special zones. Depending on what is required. > > Initially I also wanted to buy a Turion64 based notebook (on loans), but I > have to try two other sellers, maybe I get it, maybe not. If I can get > hold of it, I will also offer it to anyone who needs it for his talk. > > > %martin > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 07:48:04 2007 From: Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM (Stuart Kreitman) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 07:48:04 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> Message-ID: <4704FD24.5090307@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > Ahh.. sorry about that Alan. I thought I may have the wrong guy. > > Was it perhaps you Stuart who offered to help? yes. but you can call me alan (was that a saturday night live skit?) call all 7 members of the X group "Alan" because all that knowledge and email couldn't possibly come from one person. Stuart > > Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> Jesse Silver wrote: >> >>> As of now, Roland and I think Alan are planning on coming to UCSC on >>> Friday to set these things up. Am I correct about that Alan? >>> >> >> It's the first I'd heard of it - I have no plans to show up in Santa Cruz >> until Saturday morning. As far as I knew, my contribution to the hardware >> was having some german keyboards in my office for you to pick up and bring >> down so Roland could type less painfully during the setup. >> >> From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Oct 4 07:21:19 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:21:19 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> "John Sonnenschein" wrote: > FWIW, I'd like to have more hard technical discussion as well. Eg, I'd > like if a couple of us could get together and hack HFS+ support in to > Solaris (this particular example is for purely selfish reasons > involving my laptop, my ipod & my SPARC), or something Well, do you have a usable documentation for this filesystem? Do you expect to be able to read the additional meta data? Do you expect the additional meta data to be converted to the more general Solaris extended attribute file interface? J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From James.Walker at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 07:59:31 2007 From: James.Walker at Sun.COM (Jim Walker) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:59:31 -0600 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <4704B573.2050205@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> <4704B573.2050205@sun.com> Message-ID: <4704FFD3.2060508@sun.com> I should have some time to help setup on Friday also. Cheers, Jim Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote: > Alan Coopersmith wrote, On 04/10/07 01:52: >> Jesse Silver wrote: >>> As of now, Roland and I think Alan are planning on coming to UCSC on >>> Friday to set these things up. Am I correct about that Alan? >> It's the first I'd heard of it - I have no plans to show up in Santa Cruz >> until Saturday morning. As far as I knew, my contribution to the hardware >> was having some german keyboards in my office for you to pick up and bring >> down so Roland could type less painfully during the setup. > > I will the there, so I'll be happy give you guys a hand to set it up. :-) > -- Jim Walker, http://blogs.sun.com/jwalker Sun Microsystems, Software, Solaris QE x77744, 500 Eldorado Blvd, Broomfield CO 80021 From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 08:23:51 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:23:51 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) breakouts On 10/4/07, Joerg Schilling wrote: > "John Sonnenschein" wrote: > > > FWIW, I'd like to have more hard technical discussion as well. Eg, I'd > > like if a couple of us could get together and hack HFS+ support in to > > Solaris (this particular example is for purely selfish reasons > > involving my laptop, my ipod & my SPARC), or something > > Well, do you have a usable documentation for this filesystem? > > Do you expect to be able to read the additional meta data? > > Do you expect the additional meta data to be converted to the more general > Solaris extended attribute file interface? > > J?rg > > -- > EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin > js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) > schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ > URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily > -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Oct 4 08:22:10 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:22:10 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47050522.VKqC+iLPNHiOPqG2%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> "John Sonnenschein" wrote: > Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, > but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed > implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am > with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) > breakouts Do you have an URL for the implementation? J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Oct 4 07:37:08 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:37:08 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042B44.1040008@sun.com> <47042C74.6020107@sun.com> <47042DB2.6060105@sun.com> <4704b32d.HQIQeCzspX+qow3y%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4704f346.ZDvc91+u0U22IvN7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <4704fa94.gfpdIztcSzHFOU8k%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> "Shawn Walker" wrote: > > I was unable to attend the tuesday meeting as the phone number was not valid > > at that time. > > Joerg, I'm not sure why you had an issue, but many of us dialed in > from the outside. Admittedly, I didn't use the international access > number. Well, I cannot connect to your local number.... Dialing the international access number resulted in: "sorry, the number you dialed is not valid". J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From gdamore at sun.com Thu Oct 4 08:40:29 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:40:29 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> John Sonnenschein wrote: > Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, > but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed > implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am > with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) > breakouts > As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the summit is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future directions on topics like packaging and installation (both of which bore me, but I actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we have today), or whether this going to be any multiway exchange of ideas going on. The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, what will that topic be about, really? I'm still afraid that the very non-technical focus of the topics means that a lot of potential participants like me might be turned off by the Summit. This looks a lot more like a meeting of the Program Managers than of the Engineers. (And maybe that is indeed necessary and is also the need the Summit is intended to fill, but if that is the case then there is approximately zero purpose in my attendance.) -- Garrett > On 10/4/07, Joerg Schilling wrote: > >> "John Sonnenschein" wrote: >> >> >>> FWIW, I'd like to have more hard technical discussion as well. Eg, I'd >>> like if a couple of us could get together and hack HFS+ support in to >>> Solaris (this particular example is for purely selfish reasons >>> involving my laptop, my ipod & my SPARC), or something >>> >> Well, do you have a usable documentation for this filesystem? >> >> Do you expect to be able to read the additional meta data? >> >> Do you expect the additional meta data to be converted to the more general >> Solaris extended attribute file interface? >> >> J?rg >> >> -- >> EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin >> js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) >> schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ >> URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily >> >> > > > From swalker at opensolaris.org Thu Oct 4 09:11:32 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:11:32 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> Message-ID: On 04/10/2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > John Sonnenschein wrote: > > Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, > > but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed > > implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am > > with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) > > breakouts > > > > As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what > exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the summit > is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future directions on > topics like packaging and installation (both of which bore me, but I > actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we have today), or > whether this going to be any multiway exchange of ideas going on. > > The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to > me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and > laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not > sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David > Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the > internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, what > will that topic be about, really? > > I'm still afraid that the very non-technical focus of the topics means > that a lot of potential participants like me might be turned off by the > Summit. This looks a lot more like a meeting of the Program Managers > than of the Engineers. (And maybe that is indeed necessary and is also > the need the Summit is intended to fill, but if that is the case then > there is approximately zero purpose in my attendance.) I wouldn't call installation, packaging, upgrading, virtualisation, laptop drivers, open sound, etc. "non-technical" -- but that all depends on what you mean but "non-technical." I'd be happy to see you there, as I know there are at least a few of us that would like to pick your brains about driver development during a breakout session. However, that's up to you. -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From stevel at opensolaris.org Thu Oct 4 09:14:01 2007 From: stevel at opensolaris.org (Stephen Lau) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:14:01 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> Message-ID: <47051149.2070704@opensolaris.org> Garrett D'Amore wrote: > John Sonnenschein wrote: > >> Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, >> but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed >> implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am >> with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) >> breakouts >> >> > > As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what > exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the summit > is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future directions on > topics like packaging and installation (both of which bore me, but I > actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we have today), or > whether this going to be any multiway exchange of ideas going on. > > The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to > me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and > laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not > sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David > Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the > internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, what > will that topic be about, really? > FWIW, if its the David Stewart I'm thinking of - he's from Intel, and works on the OpenSolaris Intel platform enhancement. cheers, steve From gdamore at sun.com Thu Oct 4 09:35:00 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:35:00 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47051149.2070704@opensolaris.org> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <47051149.2070704@opensolaris.org> Message-ID: <47051634.6050801@sun.com> Stephen Lau wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> John Sonnenschein wrote: >> >>> Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, >>> but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed >>> implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am >>> with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) >>> breakouts >>> >> >> As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what >> exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the >> summit is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future >> directions on topics like packaging and installation (both of which >> bore me, but I actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we >> have today), or whether this going to be any multiway exchange of >> ideas going on. >> >> The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to >> me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and >> laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not >> sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David >> Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the >> internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, >> what will that topic be about, really? >> > FWIW, if its the David Stewart I'm thinking of - he's from Intel, and > works on the OpenSolaris Intel platform enhancement. OH, I should have put two-and-two together! Doh. I still am wondering though... is this just going to be presentation of road-maps, 10,000 foot views, political discussions, and pretty slides? Will there be any hard core discussion of *how* we close various feature gaps (those *not* related to packaging/install, anyway), at a technical level? To put this bluntly, for folks contributing code to the core (but not necessarily related to packaging or installation or building distributions), will our limited energies be better spent attending here, or continuing to work on the actual code? I don't build a distribution, I don't work as a release engineer, and I stopped administering systems other than my own years ago, so ultimately the target discussions listed on the web page, while they are probably interesting for a large audience of participants, don't necessarily have the "technical" appeal to the hard-core kernel code monkeys like myself. Its really too bad, IMO, because there is a lot happening in hardcore technical arenas where group discussion, and face-time between Sun and non-Sun folks would be really useful. Think Crossbow. Think power management. Think 10G networking. Think Bluetooth. Think WiMAX. Think Intel's new bus architectures (QuickPath or whatever it is called). Think new filesystem support. Think PCI-IOV (both S/R and M/R). Think .... the list goes on. And *yet*, the focus/intent seems to be really all about packaging/installation/patching and moving the GNU applications to /usr/bin. These are, no doubt, topics that people are very passionate about, and it is appropriate to have them discussed here. Maybe, the reality is, all those other topics I'm most interested are just best handled via e-mail. I just had hoped to get some face-time with the other core developers in these communities. -- Garrett > > cheers, > steve From John.Plocher at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 09:53:45 2007 From: John.Plocher at Sun.COM (John Plocher) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:53:45 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47051634.6050801@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <47051149.2070704@opensolaris.org> <47051634.6050801@sun.com> Message-ID: <47051A99.9010103@Sun.Com> Garrett D'Amore wrote: > And *yet*, the focus/intent seems to be really all about Much of this "agenda" came from the few people who have been volunteering topics that they were willing to lead. When looking at the list (see the wiki page: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit), there were obvious groupings for "creating a distro" stuff (pkging, installl...) and "governance" stuff, however there wasn't much of the "dive into technical/coding" stuff... Last weeks call (missed this week, sorry) had a couple of people asking about "hack-a-thon" support, but there was not an overwhelming consensus; Jessi said that he would work to get some hardware so that those who were interested in coding parties could do so. I'd like to see more diversity in topics, but, given where we are today, maybe the best answer is to simply schedule a followup conference that focuses on the technical side as much as this one is focusing on the PM/RE/Social side... -John From al at logical-approach.com Thu Oct 4 09:58:42 2007 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:58:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Shawn Walker wrote: > On 04/10/2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> John Sonnenschein wrote: >>> Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, >>> but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed >>> implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am >>> with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) >>> breakouts >>> >> >> As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what >> exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the summit >> is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future directions on >> topics like packaging and installation (both of which bore me, but I >> actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we have today), or >> whether this going to be any multiway exchange of ideas going on. >> >> The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to >> me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and >> laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not >> sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David >> Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the >> internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, what >> will that topic be about, really? >> >> I'm still afraid that the very non-technical focus of the topics means >> that a lot of potential participants like me might be turned off by the >> Summit. This looks a lot more like a meeting of the Program Managers >> than of the Engineers. (And maybe that is indeed necessary and is also >> the need the Summit is intended to fill, but if that is the case then >> there is approximately zero purpose in my attendance.) > > I wouldn't call installation, packaging, upgrading, virtualisation, > laptop drivers, open sound, etc. "non-technical" -- but that all > depends on what you mean but "non-technical." > > I'd be happy to see you there, as I know there are at least a few of > us that would like to pick your brains about driver development during > a breakout session. However, that's up to you. A big +1 You can only influence the agenda by being present. And we'll have some systems where you could provide a real hands-on demo of your expertize - rather than presenting slide-ware. Water always finds its own level... Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ From michelle.olson at sun.com Thu Oct 4 09:59:24 2007 From: michelle.olson at sun.com (michelle olson) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:59:24 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <47043220.4030403@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> Message-ID: <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> Hi Glynn, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey Michelle, > > Michelle Olson wrote: > >> This document describes a proposed schedule of activities for the OSOL >> summit that focuses on 'putting to work' the Community/Project organization >> of opensolaris.org toward a release that incorporates contributions >> from 22 communities represented at the summit and integration of as many >> projects or more. >> > > Hrm, this is pretty radically different from the proposed schedule that we've > discussed for the past 3 weeks on the planning calls. I'm personally not > convinced it's focused enough to be productive, though I'd like to try and > incorporate some of the ideas you've spawned. > I don't see it as radically different, but I do think it is easier to parse. How much feedback have you really got on the schedule? I brought this idea to the meeting this week. The idea is more focused on working through the projects, and gives everyone an much greater opportunity to talk about their contributions, and determine what each community is prepared to contribute (and therefore make decisions about). I believe with only a few exceptions, I have included all the topics that folks suggested on the wiki. I've heard from several ppl that they were signed-up for talks they don't really want to do, so this approach enables us to discuss topics as teams, rather than one person at a podium for an entire hour. We have 1200-1600 man hours to work with, let's not waste them falling asleep in chairs, not knowing who is sitting next to us. Would you consider at least adopting the first few hours of my proposal? So, we can introduce everyone? > Stephen Hahn also suggested that the Installation & Packaging tracks be merged > too since there's a lot of overlap both in technology and stakeholders. The > intent of Saturday was to focus on 3 main issues (Installation, Packaging and > Modernization), and provide opportunities for more focused breakouts based on > those topics. OK, I think one day is not enough to get through these, so I would continue this into day2, so folks have time to process, come back and resolve things. > Sunday was very much planned to be more focused on the social > aspect (release engineering, governance, website, arc, barriers to entry). > OK, I think these can be weaved in and handled by the groups that have these skill sets, if we introduce ppl and give them enough time in breakouts. > I'm not going to change over the schedule point blank until I can be convinced > otherwise though - we're only just over a week away, and I don't want to turn a > full circle. > I think this is just a re-focusing, not a full circle at all. I think it aligns with how we might get things done instead of just listen to presentations. I went to Berlin, and experienced the first conference, so that is part of the background. Big part of my job is also large meeting facilitation, so I wanted to try to help you out here. Just think about it some more and see if you can open your mind to it. Thanks so much, Michelle > > Glynn > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 10:04:51 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:04:51 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <241540330710040940q1f3ba346wd0c44d9f3acdaeff@mail.gmail.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <47050522.VKqC+iLPNHiOPqG2%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040940q1f3ba346wd0c44d9f3acdaeff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <241540330710041004u66c2bf0arcefb475ceb15cb76@mail.gmail.com> evidently i don't know how to use reply-all ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Sonnenschein Date: Oct 4, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware To: Joerg Schilling yes, it's in the XNU ( OSX kernel ) source at http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.4.9.x86/xnu-792.18.15/ . login is required to download it, but it's in /bsd/hfs. documentation is at http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1150.html On 10/4/07, Joerg Schilling wrote: > "John Sonnenschein" wrote: > > > Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, > > but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed > > implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am > > with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) > > breakouts > > Do you have an URL for the implementation? > > J?rg > > -- > EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin > js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) > schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ > URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily > -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu From randy.fishel at sun.com Thu Oct 4 10:17:45 2007 From: randy.fishel at sun.com (Randy Fishel) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47051634.6050801@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <47051149.2070704@opensolaris.org> <47051634.6050801@sun.com> Message-ID: > To put this bluntly, for folks contributing code to the core (but not > necessarily related to packaging or installation or building > distributions), will our limited energies be better spent attending > here, or continuing to work on the actual code? > > I don't build a distribution, I don't work as a release engineer, and I > stopped administering systems other than my own years ago, so ultimately > the target discussions listed on the web page, while they are probably > interesting for a large audience of participants, don't necessarily have > the "technical" appeal to the hard-core kernel code monkeys like myself. > > Its really too bad, IMO, because there is a lot happening in hardcore > technical arenas where group discussion, and face-time between Sun and > non-Sun folks would be really useful. Think Crossbow. Think power > management. Think 10G networking. Think Bluetooth. Think WiMAX. > Think Intel's new bus architectures (QuickPath or whatever it is > called). Think new filesystem support. Think PCI-IOV (both S/R and > M/R). Think .... the list goes on. > Also FWIW, I am going mostly due to proximity (plus, my son goes to UCSC, and it would be nice to know what he is up to). But there are some things we have talked about "talking about". I would be more than happy to turn this into a technical discussion there if the others topics are less interesting. ---- Randy From gdamore at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 10:24:57 2007 From: gdamore at Sun.COM (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:24:57 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> Message-ID: <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> Al Hopper wrote: > On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Shawn Walker wrote: > >> On 04/10/2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> John Sonnenschein wrote: >>>> Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, >>>> but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed >>>> implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am >>>> with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) >>>> breakouts >>>> >>> >>> As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what >>> exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the summit >>> is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future directions on >>> topics like packaging and installation (both of which bore me, but I >>> actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we have today), or >>> whether this going to be any multiway exchange of ideas going on. >>> >>> The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to >>> me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and >>> laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not >>> sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David >>> Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the >>> internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, what >>> will that topic be about, really? >>> >>> I'm still afraid that the very non-technical focus of the topics means >>> that a lot of potential participants like me might be turned off by the >>> Summit. This looks a lot more like a meeting of the Program Managers >>> than of the Engineers. (And maybe that is indeed necessary and is also >>> the need the Summit is intended to fill, but if that is the case then >>> there is approximately zero purpose in my attendance.) >> >> I wouldn't call installation, packaging, upgrading, virtualisation, >> laptop drivers, open sound, etc. "non-technical" -- but that all >> depends on what you mean but "non-technical." Yes, it does. But if you look, virtualization for example, is still focussed on install. I'm not sure that laptop drivers, OSS, etc. are really going to be covered in technical detail, other than a presentation of slideware. I expect Intel will offer some information about what they are contributing (which is indeed valuable!), but at the end of the day, this is more likely, IMO, to be PM level stuff than hands-gritty-in-the-code stuff. >> >> I'd be happy to see you there, as I know there are at least a few of >> us that would like to pick your brains about driver development during >> a breakout session. However, that's up to you. > > A big +1 > > You can only influence the agenda by being present. And we'll have > some systems where you could provide a real hands-on demo of your > expertize - rather than presenting slide-ware. I'd offered to present a technical breakout on one or more topics related to drivers, networking, GLDv3, etc. The "general" consensus I got was (or that I thought I got was), there wasn't enough interest in such topics at this particular venue. And I've not seen anyone else offer to present anything close to the technical level that I was hoping for, outside of installation/packaging/patching. And, fwiw, the problems I had hoped to see go beyond my personal interests, but could include other areas like OpenGL, compiz, looking glass, etc. But again, maybe those communities are taking care of things in their own way. (Gnome and X11 have their own non-OpenSolaris-hosted communities at least.) Anyway, is this a forum where folks are going to get together and try to solve problems, or is it more each presenter giving his thoughts and slideware? One way presentations have their uses, and (as indicated above), I'm willing to present if there is demand. (Topics I am equipped for include power management, dynamic reconfiguration, GLDv2/v3/DLPI, and general kernel/device driver development.) But I'm also very, very interested in having conversations that are not one-way. There are some significant feature gaps, and technical challenges that the community could use more help with. A dedicated forum to tackle group design problems, and even individual hacking (got a pet bug you want fixed?) would probably be very useful. So far, this doesn't look like (at least this time) this is evolving into that forum. Anyway, I need to make up my mind today, because I still have to figure out travel and hotel plans. And if I were to plan to present anything, I'd need to gather materials. Don't get me wrong: I *want* to participate. But I want the participation to be worth the time that it distracts me from actually *doing*. -- Garrett > > Water always finds its own level... > > Regards, > > Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com > Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT > OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 10:42:13 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:42:13 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> Message-ID: <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> FWIW, when I initially became interested in the summit, I had assumed it would mostly be technical discussion ( it's the "developer summit" not the "packaging stuff together" summit ). I know that I at least would love for you to present something (either formally or otherwise) on kernel driver development On 10/4/07, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Al Hopper wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Shawn Walker wrote: > > > >> On 04/10/2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >>> John Sonnenschein wrote: > >>>> Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, > >>>> but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed > >>>> implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am > >>>> with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) > >>>> breakouts > >>>> > >>> > >>> As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what > >>> exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the summit > >>> is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future directions on > >>> topics like packaging and installation (both of which bore me, but I > >>> actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we have today), or > >>> whether this going to be any multiway exchange of ideas going on. > >>> > >>> The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to > >>> me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and > >>> laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not > >>> sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David > >>> Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the > >>> internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, what > >>> will that topic be about, really? > >>> > >>> I'm still afraid that the very non-technical focus of the topics means > >>> that a lot of potential participants like me might be turned off by the > >>> Summit. This looks a lot more like a meeting of the Program Managers > >>> than of the Engineers. (And maybe that is indeed necessary and is also > >>> the need the Summit is intended to fill, but if that is the case then > >>> there is approximately zero purpose in my attendance.) > >> > >> I wouldn't call installation, packaging, upgrading, virtualisation, > >> laptop drivers, open sound, etc. "non-technical" -- but that all > >> depends on what you mean but "non-technical." > > Yes, it does. But if you look, virtualization for example, is still > focussed on install. > > I'm not sure that laptop drivers, OSS, etc. are really going to be > covered in technical detail, other than a presentation of slideware. I > expect Intel will offer some information about what they are > contributing (which is indeed valuable!), but at the end of the day, > this is more likely, IMO, to be PM level stuff than > hands-gritty-in-the-code stuff. > > >> > >> I'd be happy to see you there, as I know there are at least a few of > >> us that would like to pick your brains about driver development during > >> a breakout session. However, that's up to you. > > > > A big +1 > > > > You can only influence the agenda by being present. And we'll have > > some systems where you could provide a real hands-on demo of your > > expertize - rather than presenting slide-ware. > > I'd offered to present a technical breakout on one or more topics > related to drivers, networking, GLDv3, etc. The "general" consensus I > got was (or that I thought I got was), there wasn't enough interest in > such topics at this particular venue. And I've not seen anyone else > offer to present anything close to the technical level that I was hoping > for, outside of installation/packaging/patching. > > And, fwiw, the problems I had hoped to see go beyond my personal > interests, but could include other areas like OpenGL, compiz, looking > glass, etc. But again, maybe those communities are taking care of > things in their own way. (Gnome and X11 have their own > non-OpenSolaris-hosted communities at least.) > > Anyway, is this a forum where folks are going to get together and try to > solve problems, or is it more each presenter giving his thoughts and > slideware? > > One way presentations have their uses, and (as indicated above), I'm > willing to present if there is demand. (Topics I am equipped for > include power management, dynamic reconfiguration, GLDv2/v3/DLPI, and > general kernel/device driver development.) > > But I'm also very, very interested in having conversations that are not > one-way. There are some significant feature gaps, and technical > challenges that the community could use more help with. A dedicated > forum to tackle group design problems, and even individual hacking (got > a pet bug you want fixed?) would probably be very useful. So far, this > doesn't look like (at least this time) this is evolving into that forum. > > Anyway, I need to make up my mind today, because I still have to figure > out travel and hotel plans. And if I were to plan to present anything, > I'd need to gather materials. Don't get me wrong: I *want* to > participate. But I want the participation to be worth the time that it > distracts me from actually *doing*. > > -- Garrett > > > > Water always finds its own level... > > > > Regards, > > > > Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com > > Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT > > OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu From dev at opensound.com Thu Oct 4 11:03:35 2007 From: dev at opensound.com (Dev Mazumdar) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:03:35 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> Message-ID: <47052AF7.3030600@opensound.com> Garrett D'Amore wrote: > I'm not sure that laptop drivers, OSS, etc. are really going to be > covered in technical detail, other than a presentation of slideware. I'm planning on a pretty serious technical talk in the 1hr slot I've been given. My talk will include OSS source code internals and developing new drivers. I am also going to talk about porting and app development. We certainly need help in developing device drivers for certain Sparc machines. Perhaps someone could look into Firewire or Bluetooth audio drivers. One area where we really need new device driver developed is for SoC (system on chip) for embedded architectures like PowerPC, MIPS, ARM, Blackfin, OMAP, if Solaris is ever going to run on these platforms. My goal is to get a bunch of TO-DOs and commitment from the community. If there's anything else that needs discussing w.r.t. audio, please drop me an email. best regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info at opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From gdamore at sun.com Thu Oct 4 11:07:48 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:07:48 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> Its looking like it may be worthwhile... maybe on Sunday? It seems like there are a few folks interested in having a couple of technical conversations. I'd propose the following topics, which I can help lead. This is based on where there are schedule gaps in the rooms in the current schedule: Saturday 17:00-17:30 - Getting started with kernel development (intro/teaching)... I won't go much into specific APIs because there isn't time, but I can give tips and tricks to getting your feet wet, perhaps including fixing a known bug. Saturday 17:30-18:30 - Porting network drivers to GLDv3... again this would be mostly a one-way. I'd present an actual conversion. (Since I can perform such a conversion in about 4 hours typically, I think *presenting* it in an hour would be pretty easy.) Sunday 15:00-16:00 - Power management (mostly focused on tasks for driver developers, but also covering other challenges. Randy and I could probably co-host it.) I'd *request* someone to present a topic on Fault Management for Driver Developers. I'm not qualified to present this. But it's a topic I'm interested in, and which hasn't been well covered in an easily consumable format, IMO. I'd recommend a round-table discussion to cover I/O virtualization. Specifically, what are we going to do about PCI SR-IOV, VMDq, Intel's VT I/O stuff, and such? This is a topic of interest for Xen, hypervisor, and I/O engineers. (Also networking/crossbow.) I think part of the problem is that we need to sit down and talk about what the problems coming down are, and what as a group we need to do to solve them. I'd be interested in attending any presentation of, or discussion surrounding, Bluetooth, but I think the appropriate folks from China won't be here. -- Garrett John Sonnenschein wrote: > FWIW, > > when I initially became interested in the summit, I had assumed it > would mostly be technical discussion ( it's the "developer summit" not > the "packaging stuff together" summit ). > > I know that I at least would love for you to present something (either > formally or otherwise) on kernel driver development > > On 10/4/07, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> Al Hopper wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Shawn Walker wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 04/10/2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>>> >>>>> John Sonnenschein wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, >>>>>> but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed >>>>>> implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am >>>>>> with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) >>>>>> breakouts >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what >>>>> exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the summit >>>>> is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future directions on >>>>> topics like packaging and installation (both of which bore me, but I >>>>> actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we have today), or >>>>> whether this going to be any multiway exchange of ideas going on. >>>>> >>>>> The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to >>>>> me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and >>>>> laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not >>>>> sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David >>>>> Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the >>>>> internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, what >>>>> will that topic be about, really? >>>>> >>>>> I'm still afraid that the very non-technical focus of the topics means >>>>> that a lot of potential participants like me might be turned off by the >>>>> Summit. This looks a lot more like a meeting of the Program Managers >>>>> than of the Engineers. (And maybe that is indeed necessary and is also >>>>> the need the Summit is intended to fill, but if that is the case then >>>>> there is approximately zero purpose in my attendance.) >>>>> >>>> I wouldn't call installation, packaging, upgrading, virtualisation, >>>> laptop drivers, open sound, etc. "non-technical" -- but that all >>>> depends on what you mean but "non-technical." >>>> >> Yes, it does. But if you look, virtualization for example, is still >> focussed on install. >> >> I'm not sure that laptop drivers, OSS, etc. are really going to be >> covered in technical detail, other than a presentation of slideware. I >> expect Intel will offer some information about what they are >> contributing (which is indeed valuable!), but at the end of the day, >> this is more likely, IMO, to be PM level stuff than >> hands-gritty-in-the-code stuff. >> >> >>>> I'd be happy to see you there, as I know there are at least a few of >>>> us that would like to pick your brains about driver development during >>>> a breakout session. However, that's up to you. >>>> >>> A big +1 >>> >>> You can only influence the agenda by being present. And we'll have >>> some systems where you could provide a real hands-on demo of your >>> expertize - rather than presenting slide-ware. >>> >> I'd offered to present a technical breakout on one or more topics >> related to drivers, networking, GLDv3, etc. The "general" consensus I >> got was (or that I thought I got was), there wasn't enough interest in >> such topics at this particular venue. And I've not seen anyone else >> offer to present anything close to the technical level that I was hoping >> for, outside of installation/packaging/patching. >> >> And, fwiw, the problems I had hoped to see go beyond my personal >> interests, but could include other areas like OpenGL, compiz, looking >> glass, etc. But again, maybe those communities are taking care of >> things in their own way. (Gnome and X11 have their own >> non-OpenSolaris-hosted communities at least.) >> >> Anyway, is this a forum where folks are going to get together and try to >> solve problems, or is it more each presenter giving his thoughts and >> slideware? >> >> One way presentations have their uses, and (as indicated above), I'm >> willing to present if there is demand. (Topics I am equipped for >> include power management, dynamic reconfiguration, GLDv2/v3/DLPI, and >> general kernel/device driver development.) >> >> But I'm also very, very interested in having conversations that are not >> one-way. There are some significant feature gaps, and technical >> challenges that the community could use more help with. A dedicated >> forum to tackle group design problems, and even individual hacking (got >> a pet bug you want fixed?) would probably be very useful. So far, this >> doesn't look like (at least this time) this is evolving into that forum. >> >> Anyway, I need to make up my mind today, because I still have to figure >> out travel and hotel plans. And if I were to plan to present anything, >> I'd need to gather materials. Don't get me wrong: I *want* to >> participate. But I want the participation to be worth the time that it >> distracts me from actually *doing*. >> >> -- Garrett >> >>> Water always finds its own level... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com >>> Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT >>> OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 >>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> > > > From benr at cuddletech.com Thu Oct 4 11:11:38 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:11:38 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47052CDA.3040805@cuddletech.com> I'm interested in technical discussion as well, but given the time constraints they will have to be pretty terse. It sounds like we can break into groups to focus on subtopics as needbe. benr. John Sonnenschein wrote: > FWIW, > > when I initially became interested in the summit, I had assumed it > would mostly be technical discussion ( it's the "developer summit" not > the "packaging stuff together" summit ). > > I know that I at least would love for you to present something (either > formally or otherwise) on kernel driver development > > On 10/4/07, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> Al Hopper wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Shawn Walker wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 04/10/2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>>> >>>>> John Sonnenschein wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, >>>>>> but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed >>>>>> implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am >>>>>> with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) >>>>>> breakouts >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what >>>>> exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the summit >>>>> is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future directions on >>>>> topics like packaging and installation (both of which bore me, but I >>>>> actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we have today), or >>>>> whether this going to be any multiway exchange of ideas going on. >>>>> >>>>> The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to >>>>> me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and >>>>> laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not >>>>> sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David >>>>> Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the >>>>> internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, what >>>>> will that topic be about, really? >>>>> >>>>> I'm still afraid that the very non-technical focus of the topics means >>>>> that a lot of potential participants like me might be turned off by the >>>>> Summit. This looks a lot more like a meeting of the Program Managers >>>>> than of the Engineers. (And maybe that is indeed necessary and is also >>>>> the need the Summit is intended to fill, but if that is the case then >>>>> there is approximately zero purpose in my attendance.) >>>>> >>>> I wouldn't call installation, packaging, upgrading, virtualisation, >>>> laptop drivers, open sound, etc. "non-technical" -- but that all >>>> depends on what you mean but "non-technical." >>>> >> Yes, it does. But if you look, virtualization for example, is still >> focussed on install. >> >> I'm not sure that laptop drivers, OSS, etc. are really going to be >> covered in technical detail, other than a presentation of slideware. I >> expect Intel will offer some information about what they are >> contributing (which is indeed valuable!), but at the end of the day, >> this is more likely, IMO, to be PM level stuff than >> hands-gritty-in-the-code stuff. >> >> >>>> I'd be happy to see you there, as I know there are at least a few of >>>> us that would like to pick your brains about driver development during >>>> a breakout session. However, that's up to you. >>>> >>> A big +1 >>> >>> You can only influence the agenda by being present. And we'll have >>> some systems where you could provide a real hands-on demo of your >>> expertize - rather than presenting slide-ware. >>> >> I'd offered to present a technical breakout on one or more topics >> related to drivers, networking, GLDv3, etc. The "general" consensus I >> got was (or that I thought I got was), there wasn't enough interest in >> such topics at this particular venue. And I've not seen anyone else >> offer to present anything close to the technical level that I was hoping >> for, outside of installation/packaging/patching. >> >> And, fwiw, the problems I had hoped to see go beyond my personal >> interests, but could include other areas like OpenGL, compiz, looking >> glass, etc. But again, maybe those communities are taking care of >> things in their own way. (Gnome and X11 have their own >> non-OpenSolaris-hosted communities at least.) >> >> Anyway, is this a forum where folks are going to get together and try to >> solve problems, or is it more each presenter giving his thoughts and >> slideware? >> >> One way presentations have their uses, and (as indicated above), I'm >> willing to present if there is demand. (Topics I am equipped for >> include power management, dynamic reconfiguration, GLDv2/v3/DLPI, and >> general kernel/device driver development.) >> >> But I'm also very, very interested in having conversations that are not >> one-way. There are some significant feature gaps, and technical >> challenges that the community could use more help with. A dedicated >> forum to tackle group design problems, and even individual hacking (got >> a pet bug you want fixed?) would probably be very useful. So far, this >> doesn't look like (at least this time) this is evolving into that forum. >> >> Anyway, I need to make up my mind today, because I still have to figure >> out travel and hotel plans. And if I were to plan to present anything, >> I'd need to gather materials. Don't get me wrong: I *want* to >> participate. But I want the participation to be worth the time that it >> distracts me from actually *doing*. >> >> -- Garrett >> >>> Water always finds its own level... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com >>> Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT >>> OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 >>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> > > > From dev at opensound.com Thu Oct 4 11:13:21 2007 From: dev at opensound.com (Dev Mazumdar) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:13:21 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confirming video recordings for summit will be available? In-Reply-To: <470408D1.4080504@sun.com> References: <470408D1.4080504@sun.com> Message-ID: <47052D41.1070802@opensound.com> Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey > > Mark Martin wrote: >> Are we still on track to have video available for streaming or >> downloading during or after the summit? Are non-attending volunteers >> needed for anything? >> >> I noticed the meeting minutes mentioned it briefly, but I'm not clear if >> there's more discussion or work needed. > > I don't think there are any plans to video session, though I'm hoping there will > be audio recordings for some, but not all sessions. > > We'll also have an IRC window projected on the wall in each room, though I'm not > personally sure how effective that is going to be. > > > Glynn > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > Well how about streaming it live via icecast and OSS? Check out Live Ice: http://web.arm.ac.uk/~spm/software/liveice.html Liveice should work on Solaris. regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info at opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 11:15:04 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:15:04 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <241540330710041114s2db75342vd05b8e41ae2479a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <241540330710041114s2db75342vd05b8e41ae2479a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <241540330710041115x56c8eebcoe1d8ec74ed904eef@mail.gmail.com> I'm bad with this... sorry again ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Sonnenschein Date: Oct 4, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware To: Garrett D'Amore +1 in general, comments inline On 10/4/07, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Its looking like it may be worthwhile... maybe on Sunday? It seems like > there are a few folks interested in having a couple of technical > conversations. > > I'd propose the following topics, which I can help lead. This is based > on where there are schedule gaps in the rooms in the current schedule: > > Saturday 17:00-17:30 - Getting started with kernel development > (intro/teaching)... I won't go much into specific APIs because there > isn't time, but I can give tips and tricks to getting your feet wet, > perhaps including fixing a known bug. absolutely! I would go out of my way to be there. > Saturday 17:30-18:30 - Porting network drivers to GLDv3... again this > would be mostly a one-way. I'd present an actual conversion. (Since I > can perform such a conversion in about 4 hours typically, I think > *presenting* it in an hour would be pretty easy.) given time constraints, thoughts on adding to this? (eg filesystem interfaces, DDI, etc ) > Sunday 15:00-16:00 - Power management (mostly focused on tasks for > driver developers, but also covering other challenges. Randy and I > could probably co-host it.) > > I'd *request* someone to present a topic on Fault Management for Driver > Developers. I'm not qualified to present this. But it's a topic I'm > interested in, and which hasn't been well covered in an easily > consumable format, IMO. > > I'd recommend a round-table discussion to cover I/O virtualization. > Specifically, what are we going to do about PCI SR-IOV, VMDq, Intel's VT > I/O stuff, and such? This is a topic of interest for Xen, hypervisor, > and I/O engineers. (Also networking/crossbow.) I think part of the > problem is that we need to sit down and talk about what the problems > coming down are, and what as a group we need to do to solve them. > > I'd be interested in attending any presentation of, or discussion > surrounding, Bluetooth, but I think the appropriate folks from China > won't be here. > > -- Garrett > > John Sonnenschein wrote: > > FWIW, > > > > when I initially became interested in the summit, I had assumed it > > would mostly be technical discussion ( it's the "developer summit" not > > the "packaging stuff together" summit ). > > > > I know that I at least would love for you to present something (either > > formally or otherwise) on kernel driver development > > > > On 10/4/07, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > > > >> Al Hopper wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Shawn Walker wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 04/10/2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> John Sonnenschein wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Apple actually published a fantastic set of docs on the filesystem, > >>>>>> but more to the point OSX/darwin contains a CDDL compatible licensed > >>>>>> implementation, but I'm not as attached to the particular idea as I am > >>>>>> with the idea of having technical (rather than political or design ) > >>>>>> breakouts > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> As we are quickly running out of time, and I'm still not clear what > >>>>> exactly is going to be discussed here. I can't tell whether the summit > >>>>> is going to be folks presenting their ideas for future directions on > >>>>> topics like packaging and installation (both of which bore me, but I > >>>>> actually happen to *like* the SYSV packaging that we have today), or > >>>>> whether this going to be any multiway exchange of ideas going on. > >>>>> > >>>>> The "drivers and laptop support" topic is potentially very germane to > >>>>> me, as that is my current focus (specifically drivers for SDcard, and > >>>>> laptop power management including suspend/resume), but I'm still not > >>>>> sure what is going to be discussed there... I don't recognize David > >>>>> Stewart from the laptop or device drivers communities, nor from the > >>>>> internal group at Sun that is focused on mobile platforms. *So*, what > >>>>> will that topic be about, really? > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm still afraid that the very non-technical focus of the topics means > >>>>> that a lot of potential participants like me might be turned off by the > >>>>> Summit. This looks a lot more like a meeting of the Program Managers > >>>>> than of the Engineers. (And maybe that is indeed necessary and is also > >>>>> the need the Summit is intended to fill, but if that is the case then > >>>>> there is approximately zero purpose in my attendance.) > >>>>> > >>>> I wouldn't call installation, packaging, upgrading, virtualisation, > >>>> laptop drivers, open sound, etc. "non-technical" -- but that all > >>>> depends on what you mean but "non-technical." > >>>> > >> Yes, it does. But if you look, virtualization for example, is still > >> focussed on install. > >> > >> I'm not sure that laptop drivers, OSS, etc. are really going to be > >> covered in technical detail, other than a presentation of slideware. I > >> expect Intel will offer some information about what they are > >> contributing (which is indeed valuable!), but at the end of the day, > >> this is more likely, IMO, to be PM level stuff than > >> hands-gritty-in-the-code stuff. > >> > >> > >>>> I'd be happy to see you there, as I know there are at least a few of > >>>> us that would like to pick your brains about driver development during > >>>> a breakout session. However, that's up to you. > >>>> > >>> A big +1 > >>> > >>> You can only influence the agenda by being present. And we'll have > >>> some systems where you could provide a real hands-on demo of your > >>> expertize - rather than presenting slide-ware. > >>> > >> I'd offered to present a technical breakout on one or more topics > >> related to drivers, networking, GLDv3, etc. The "general" consensus I > >> got was (or that I thought I got was), there wasn't enough interest in > >> such topics at this particular venue. And I've not seen anyone else > >> offer to present anything close to the technical level that I was hoping > >> for, outside of installation/packaging/patching. > >> > >> And, fwiw, the problems I had hoped to see go beyond my personal > >> interests, but could include other areas like OpenGL, compiz, looking > >> glass, etc. But again, maybe those communities are taking care of > >> things in their own way. (Gnome and X11 have their own > >> non-OpenSolaris-hosted communities at least.) > >> > >> Anyway, is this a forum where folks are going to get together and try to > >> solve problems, or is it more each presenter giving his thoughts and > >> slideware? > >> > >> One way presentations have their uses, and (as indicated above), I'm > >> willing to present if there is demand. (Topics I am equipped for > >> include power management, dynamic reconfiguration, GLDv2/v3/DLPI, and > >> general kernel/device driver development.) > >> > >> But I'm also very, very interested in having conversations that are not > >> one-way. There are some significant feature gaps, and technical > >> challenges that the community could use more help with. A dedicated > >> forum to tackle group design problems, and even individual hacking (got > >> a pet bug you want fixed?) would probably be very useful. So far, this > >> doesn't look like (at least this time) this is evolving into that forum. > >> > >> Anyway, I need to make up my mind today, because I still have to figure > >> out travel and hotel plans. And if I were to plan to present anything, > >> I'd need to gather materials. Don't get me wrong: I *want* to > >> participate. But I want the participation to be worth the time that it > >> distracts me from actually *doing*. > >> > >> -- Garrett > >> > >>> Water always finds its own level... > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com > >>> Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT > >>> OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 > >>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> opensolaris-summit mailing list > >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu From gdamore at sun.com Thu Oct 4 11:12:59 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:12:59 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47052AF7.3030600@opensound.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <47052AF7.3030600@opensound.com> Message-ID: <47052D2B.8040500@sun.com> This sounds good. Is your topic going to be useful for folks without a background in audio? I know once upon a time (a long time ago) my first attempt at writing a Solaris driver was for the Gravis Ultrasound. I failed miserably, not least of all because I started out knowing *nothing* about audio in general, never-mind the Solaris specific details. If I can write (or learn to write) audio drivers without being an audio systems expert, I'd probably we willing to help out. (FWIW, I did do some development on an Au1550 SoC audio driver for NetBSD... but in that case it was mostly "plumbing" adding access from the chip to an already supported codec.) -- Garrett Dev Mazumdar wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> I'm not sure that laptop drivers, OSS, etc. are really going to be >> covered in technical detail, other than a presentation of slideware. > > I'm planning on a pretty serious technical talk in the 1hr slot I've > been given. My talk will include OSS source code internals and > developing new drivers. I am also going to talk about porting and app > development. > > We certainly need help in developing device drivers for certain Sparc > machines. Perhaps someone could look into Firewire or Bluetooth audio > drivers. > > One area where we really need new device driver developed is for SoC > (system on chip) for embedded architectures like PowerPC, MIPS, ARM, > Blackfin, OMAP, if Solaris is ever going to run on these platforms. > > My goal is to get a bunch of TO-DOs and commitment from the community. > > If there's anything else that needs discussing w.r.t. audio, please > drop me an email. > > > > best regards > Dev Mazumdar > ----------------------------------------------------------- > 4Front Technologies > 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. > Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com > Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info at opensound.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 11:21:47 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:21:47 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47052CDA.3040805@cuddletech.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052CDA.3040805@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <241540330710041121s76b1c9cdn12c0255988d3cf47@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/07, Ben Rockwood wrote: > I'm interested in technical discussion as well, but given the time > constraints they will have to be pretty terse. It sounds like we can > break into groups to focus on subtopics as needbe. > > benr. terse presentations are okay I think, they can spark thoughts for later, more in-depth discussion -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu From dev at opensound.com Thu Oct 4 11:36:22 2007 From: dev at opensound.com (Dev Mazumdar) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:36:22 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47052D2B.8040500@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <47052AF7.3030600@opensound.com> <47052D2B.8040500@sun.com> Message-ID: <470532A6.4070706@opensound.com> Garrett D'Amore wrote: > This sounds good. > > Is your topic going to be useful for folks without a background in > audio? I know once upon a time (a long time ago) my first attempt at > writing a Solaris driver was for the Gravis Ultrasound. I failed > miserably, not least of all because I started out knowing *nothing* > about audio in general, never-mind the Solaris specific details. > As long as you have a data sheet in hand, you should be able to develop an Open Sound device driver. We have abstracted out all the complexity of audio formats, sampling, mixing etc. > If I can write (or learn to write) audio drivers without being an audio > systems expert, I'd probably we willing to help out. > Thanks!. We at 4Front will do most of the heavy lifting on Open Sound - like create the frameworks for new MIDI, new power management support, new FMA and logging support. There are a bunch of folks @ Sun doing work to integrate Open Sound into Solaris. If interested, you might join the OpenSound-ext at sun.com mailing list (email Margot Miller to be added). > (FWIW, I did do some development on an Au1550 SoC audio driver for > NetBSD... but in that case it was mostly "plumbing" adding access from > the chip to an already supported codec.) > I also think that w.r.t application development, the Open Solaris community should start taking a leadership role and not have to rely on the Linux folks to start interesting projects. Finally, technologies like SilverLight (Microsoft's answer to Flash) should be also looked into. People with contacts at companies producing Linux audio apps might want to use their connections to get them to start looking at Solaris now that Solaris audio is on par (perhaps better) than Linux audio. best regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info at opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From david.c.stewart at intel.com Thu Oct 4 14:47:46 2007 From: david.c.stewart at intel.com (Stewart, David C) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:47:46 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com><47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com><241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com><4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de><241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com><4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> Message-ID: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F029A20E4@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> Isn't this all pretty much a moot discussion with Michelle's new agenda proposal? >From: Garrett D'Amore >I'm not sure that laptop drivers, OSS, etc. are really going to be >covered in technical detail, other than a presentation of slideware. I >expect Intel will offer some information about what they are >contributing (which is indeed valuable!), but at the end of the day, >this is more likely, IMO, to be PM level stuff than >hands-gritty-in-the-code stuff. From Darren.Reed at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 14:48:30 2007 From: Darren.Reed at Sun.COM (Darren Reed) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:48:30 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47051A99.9010103@Sun.Com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <47051149.2070704@opensolaris.org> <47051634.6050801@sun.com> <47051A99.9010103@Sun.Com> Message-ID: <47055FAE.4050105@Sun.COM> John Plocher wrote: >Garrett D'Amore wrote: > > >>And *yet*, the focus/intent seems to be really all about >> >> > >Much of this "agenda" came from the few people who have been volunteering >topics that they were willing to lead. When looking at the list (see >the wiki page: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit), >there were obvious groupings for "creating a distro" stuff (pkging, >installl...) and "governance" stuff, however there wasn't much of the >"dive into technical/coding" stuff... > > The initial "it's on" was not sold as being technical...it was not sold as being a hackathon...it was initially sold as being only about Indiana. >I'd like to see more diversity in topics, but, given where we are today, >maybe the best answer is to simply schedule a followup conference that >focuses on the technical side as much as this one is focusing on the >PM/RE/Social side... > > It may be worth having a short "debrief" session to look back at this summit, what worked, what didn't, etc, while everyone is still in SC, so that the next one has some semblence of organisation. Darren From Darren.Reed at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 14:52:12 2007 From: Darren.Reed at Sun.COM (Darren Reed) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:52:12 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> Message-ID: <4705608C.4000003@Sun.COM> Garrett D'Amore wrote: > ... > >Anyway, is this a forum where folks are going to get together and try to >solve problems, or is it more each presenter giving his thoughts and >slideware? > > I (at least) am treating it as a place to get together and try to solve problems... IMHO there hasn't been anywhere near enough time to do (or expect people to do) a paper+presentation for this gathering of minds. Darren From stevel at opensolaris.org Thu Oct 4 14:56:14 2007 From: stevel at opensolaris.org (Stephen Lau) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:56:14 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <4705608C.4000003@Sun.COM> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <4705608C.4000003@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <4705617E.30403@opensolaris.org> Darren Reed wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > > >> ... >> >> Anyway, is this a forum where folks are going to get together and try to >> solve problems, or is it more each presenter giving his thoughts and >> slideware? >> >> >> > > I (at least) am treating it as a place to get together and try to > solve problems... IMHO there hasn't been anywhere near > enough time to do (or expect people to do) a paper+presentation > for this gathering of minds. > > Darren > > I read Glynn's emails to say that these weren't expected to be paper+presentation formatted talks, and are intended to be gatherings of people to discuss and brainstorm. -steve From gdamore at sun.com Thu Oct 4 15:06:50 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:06:50 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Hotel Reminder In-Reply-To: <4703F381.3030001@sun.com> References: <4703F381.3030001@sun.com> Message-ID: <470563FA.7030406@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > Another reminder: > > If you'd like a hotel room and have yet to reserve one, please email me > at jesse.silver at sun.com > > Thanks, > Jesse > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > Okay, I'd like to reserve a room. Lets assume Friday and Saturday night... I'll go home on Sunday night. -- Garrett From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 15:11:39 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:11:39 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <4705617E.30403@opensolaris.org> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <4705608C.4000003@Sun.COM> <4705617E.30403@opensolaris.org> Message-ID: <4705651B.5070705@sun.com> Stephen Lau wrote: > I read Glynn's emails to say that these weren't expected to be > paper+presentation formatted talks, and are intended to be gatherings of > people to discuss and brainstorm. Exactly. Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 15:14:15 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:14:15 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <47042EE2.8050300@sun.com> <47043A3A.90202@cuddletech.com> <47043C77.4010805@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> Message-ID: <470565B7.6040100@sun.com> Hey, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > But I'm also very, very interested in having conversations that are not > one-way. There are some significant feature gaps, and technical > challenges that the community could use more help with. A dedicated > forum to tackle group design problems, and even individual hacking (got > a pet bug you want fixed?) would probably be very useful. So far, this > doesn't look like (at least this time) this is evolving into that forum. That's the whole intent of the summit. Outside of the lightning talks to warm people up for the day, it's expected for it to be a brainstorming session. You can choose what to brainstorm in a lot of the current TBD slots. We'll have lots of time for a whole collection of topics. > Anyway, I need to make up my mind today, because I still have to figure > out travel and hotel plans. And if I were to plan to present anything, > I'd need to gather materials. Don't get me wrong: I *want* to > participate. But I want the participation to be worth the time that it > distracts me from actually *doing*. If nothing else, it'll be one of the first opportunities to see a whole bunch of people from right across the community in the same room. In my experience, face to face interaction helps a *huge* amount towards motivation and getting things done. Glynn From brandorr at opensolaris.org Thu Oct 4 15:15:21 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:15:21 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Will there be whiteboards at the summit? Message-ID: <5b5090780710041515j36836f62s3093bedc2d3b80c@mail.gmail.com> I thought I sent an email to the list, but I can't find it. Will there be whiteboards at the summit? -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 15:20:03 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:20:03 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> Message-ID: <47056713.5090801@sun.com> Hey, michelle olson wrote: > I believe with only a few exceptions, I have included all the topics > that folks suggested on the wiki. I've heard from several ppl that they > were signed-up for talks they don't really want to do, so this approach > enables us to discuss topics as teams, rather than one person at a > podium for an entire hour. We have 1200-1600 man hours to work with, > let's not waste them falling asleep in chairs, not knowing who is > sitting next to us. You've completely missed the point. I should have removed the names from the schedules. This is a brainstorming discussion where we get a whole bunch of people in the room, and talk about the various issues around the topic and goals from it. The people listed are only there as a potential person to moderate the session (yes, we need moderation to stay on track). There are no talks, period. > Would you consider at least adopting the first few hours of my > proposal? So, we can introduce everyone? That is planned during Ian's session. We'll go around the room and people can introduce themselves and say what they've done, and/or give hopes of what they want to get out of the summit. > OK, I think one day is not enough to get through these, so I would > continue this into day2, so folks have time to process, come back and > resolve things. That's why we've introduced the breakout BOFs (currently listed as 'TBD') on the schedule. We'll have plenty of time and opportunity for people to sign up for various topics and schedule them on site. > I think this is just a re-focusing, not a full circle at all. I think it > aligns with how we might get things done instead of just listen to > presentations. I went to Berlin, and experienced the first conference, > so that is part of the background. Big part of my job is also large > meeting facilitation, so I wanted to try to help you out here. Just > think about it some more and see if you can open your mind to it. Berlin was a vastly different setup IMO - it was formal presentations, rather than essentially a whole series of BOFs. Glynn From Darren.Reed at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 15:20:18 2007 From: Darren.Reed at Sun.COM (Darren Reed) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:20:18 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Will there be whiteboards at the summit? In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710041515j36836f62s3093bedc2d3b80c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710041515j36836f62s3093bedc2d3b80c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47056722.8010707@Sun.COM> Brandorr wrote: >I thought I sent an email to the list, but I can't find it. Will there >be whiteboards at the summit? > > And whiteboards with a "print" button? Or do we bring cameras for that? From derek.cicero at sun.com Thu Oct 4 16:39:12 2007 From: derek.cicero at sun.com (Derek Cicero) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:39:12 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <47056713.5090801@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> Message-ID: <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > michelle olson wrote: >> I believe with only a few exceptions, I have included all the topics >> that folks suggested on the wiki. I've heard from several ppl that they >> were signed-up for talks they don't really want to do, so this approach >> enables us to discuss topics as teams, rather than one person at a >> podium for an entire hour. We have 1200-1600 man hours to work with, >> let's not waste them falling asleep in chairs, not knowing who is >> sitting next to us. > > You've completely missed the point. I should have removed the names from the > schedules. This is a brainstorming discussion where we get a whole bunch of > people in the room, and talk about the various issues around the topic and goals > from it. The people listed are only there as a potential person to moderate the > session (yes, we need moderation to stay on track). There are no talks, period. I'm a little confused. Originally I thought the goal of the summit was to have a in-depth technical discussion around Indiana. Specifically, getting everyone on the same page about what we are doing with the first release and the 6-12 month roadmap after October. That is why I originally thought my presence as a PM wasn't needed at the summit. In recent weeks it seems to have morphed into a meeting of the communities (for lack of better description), rather than a technical forum, which I think opened it up to more people from various disciplines. During the summit meeting on Tuesday I was under the impression that in order to reflect this new mix of people we were going to allow each community (or project team) to direct a 'pod' as they saw fit. Some pods would be focused around technical discussions, some would be brainstorming and some would be general roadmap development, depending on what that specific group of people was working on. I think Michelle's proposal was an effort to reflect how each community might direct their contributions and how that could funnel back into the overall Indiana plan. I am not saying there is right or wrong answer here, but at present I'm a bit unclear as to what I should expect when I get to Santa Cruz. If the goal is get people working towards a set objective within a community then I'd like to get some discussions started on the mail lists before we all meet face to face. If I just need to show up and brainstorm that is fine by me, but I'd want other people to come with that expectation as well. Apologies if I'm the only one that is not getting this. Derek > > >> Would you consider at least adopting the first few hours of my >> proposal? So, we can introduce everyone? > > That is planned during Ian's session. We'll go around the room and people can > introduce themselves and say what they've done, and/or give hopes of what they > want to get out of the summit. > >> OK, I think one day is not enough to get through these, so I would >> continue this into day2, so folks have time to process, come back and >> resolve things. > > That's why we've introduced the breakout BOFs (currently listed as 'TBD') on the > schedule. We'll have plenty of time and opportunity for people to sign up for > various topics and schedule them on site. > >> I think this is just a re-focusing, not a full circle at all. I think it >> aligns with how we might get things done instead of just listen to >> presentations. I went to Berlin, and experienced the first conference, >> so that is part of the background. Big part of my job is also large >> meeting facilitation, so I wanted to try to help you out here. Just >> think about it some more and see if you can open your mind to it. > > Berlin was a vastly different setup IMO - it was formal presentations, rather > than essentially a whole series of BOFs. > > > Glynn > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division From anil.verve at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 17:37:49 2007 From: anil.verve at gmail.com (Anil Gulecha) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:07:49 +0530 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> Message-ID: <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/07, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Its looking like it may be worthwhile... maybe on Sunday? It seems like > there are a few folks interested in having a couple of technical > conversations. > > I'd propose the following topics, which I can help lead. This is based > on where there are schedule gaps in the rooms in the current schedule: > > Saturday 17:00-17:30 - Getting started with kernel development > (intro/teaching)... I won't go much into specific APIs because there > isn't time, but I can give tips and tricks to getting your feet wet, > perhaps including fixing a known bug. > > Saturday 17:30-18:30 - Porting network drivers to GLDv3... again this > would be mostly a one-way. I'd present an actual conversion. (Since I > can perform such a conversion in about 4 hours typically, I think > *presenting* it in an hour would be pretty easy.) > > Sunday 15:00-16:00 - Power management (mostly focused on tasks for > driver developers, but also covering other challenges. Randy and I > could probably co-host it.) > If you're keeping count, I'm in for both days. Regards Anil From John.Plocher at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 17:38:43 2007 From: John.Plocher at Sun.COM (John Plocher) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:38:43 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <47056713.5090801@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> Message-ID: <47058793.306@Sun.Com> Make sure there are nametags for everyone, and that the names on them are large enough to read from a reasonable distance away :-) -John > That is planned during Ian's session. We'll go around the room and people can > introduce themselves and say what they've done, and/or give hopes of what they > want to get out of the summit. From David.Clack at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 17:40:34 2007 From: David.Clack at Sun.COM (David Clack) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:40:34 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> Me also, I'd like on on usb driver porting if someone is willing ? Dave On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 06:07 +0530, Anil Gulecha wrote: > On 10/4/07, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > > Its looking like it may be worthwhile... maybe on Sunday? It seems like > > there are a few folks interested in having a couple of technical > > conversations. > > > > I'd propose the following topics, which I can help lead. This is based > > on where there are schedule gaps in the rooms in the current schedule: > > > > Saturday 17:00-17:30 - Getting started with kernel development > > (intro/teaching)... I won't go much into specific APIs because there > > isn't time, but I can give tips and tricks to getting your feet wet, > > perhaps including fixing a known bug. > > > > Saturday 17:30-18:30 - Porting network drivers to GLDv3... again this > > would be mostly a one-way. I'd present an actual conversion. (Since I > > can perform such a conversion in about 4 hours typically, I think > > *presenting* it in an hour would be pretty easy.) > > > > Sunday 15:00-16:00 - Power management (mostly focused on tasks for > > driver developers, but also covering other challenges. Randy and I > > could probably co-host it.) > > > > If you're keeping count, I'm in for both days. > > Regards > Anil > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 19:53:27 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:53:27 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <47058793.306@Sun.Com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <47058793.306@Sun.Com> Message-ID: <4705A727.9040705@sun.com> John Plocher wrote: > Make sure there are nametags for everyone, and that the names on them > are large enough to read from a reasonable distance away :-) Absolutely - on our list, right Jesse? Glynn From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 19:54:32 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:54:32 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4705A727.9040705@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <47058793.306@Sun.Com> <4705A727.9040705@sun.com> Message-ID: <4705A768.1070001@sun.com> Yes, we have nametags. They will be gorgeous. There is no hiding. :) Sara Glynn Foster wrote: > John Plocher wrote: > >> Make sure there are nametags for everyone, and that the names on them >> are large enough to read from a reasonable distance away :-) >> > > Absolutely - on our list, right Jesse? > > > Glynn > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 20:02:04 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:02:04 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> Message-ID: <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> Hey, Derek Cicero wrote: > I'm a little confused. Okay, seems that a lot of different people are confused, and may have different ideas of what the summit means to them (which probably gets us down to the type of event we wanted to plan in the first place). >From Sara's original announcement - "The OpenSolaris Summit is not a conference with presentations or exhibitors, but an in-person, collaborative working session to plan the next release of Project Indiana." In light of the various conversations happening on the list (both yourself, Michelle and others), Sara and I tried to sit down and come up with an alternate proposal - http://www.gnome.org/~gman/summit-schedule.html We've tried to group a few sessions together into 2 hour blocks. For sessions that we thought were likely to be popular (and had a wide variety of stakeholders) we tried to avoid scheduling them against anything else. For those people who want to have sessions on topics not listed in the current draft, there are 2 or 3 rooms available to allow a focused breakout session. This is the 'unconference' nature of the summit. We will provide a whiteboard at the venue to allow people to pencil in sessions, whether they are discussions or hackfests. What do people think? Glynn From dclarke at blastwave.org Thu Oct 4 20:22:59 2007 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4705A768.1070001@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <47058793.306@Sun.Com> <4705A727.9040705@sun.com> <4705A768.1070001@sun.com> Message-ID: <43593.72.39.216.186.1191554579.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > Yes, we have nametags. They will be gorgeous. There is no hiding. :) > Sara Don't make a nametag for me. :-( I have business in Toronto on the 14th as well as on that weekend. That scuppers my plans and there is no way out of it. Dennis Clarke From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 21:02:47 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:02:47 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> Message-ID: <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> I notice on the schedule that dinner is included in the schedule for saturday. I'm going to throw a monkey wrench in that operation and ask if vegetarian options are going to be available. On 10/4/07, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Derek Cicero wrote: > > I'm a little confused. > > Okay, seems that a lot of different people are confused, and may have different > ideas of what the summit means to them (which probably gets us down to the type > of event we wanted to plan in the first place). > > >From Sara's original announcement - > > "The OpenSolaris Summit is not a conference with presentations or exhibitors, > but an in-person, collaborative working session to plan the next release of > Project Indiana." > > In light of the various conversations happening on the list (both yourself, > Michelle and others), Sara and I tried to sit down and come up with an alternate > proposal - > > http://www.gnome.org/~gman/summit-schedule.html > > We've tried to group a few sessions together into 2 hour blocks. For sessions > that we thought were likely to be popular (and had a wide variety of > stakeholders) we tried to avoid scheduling them against anything else. > > For those people who want to have sessions on topics not listed in the current > draft, there are 2 or 3 rooms available to allow a focused breakout session. > This is the 'unconference' nature of the summit. We will provide a whiteboard at > the venue to allow people to pencil in sessions, whether they are discussions or > hackfests. > > > What do people think? > > Glynn > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu From gdamore at sun.com Thu Oct 4 21:04:45 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:04:45 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> Message-ID: <4705B7DD.1030708@sun.com> Thank you for your clarification Glynn.... it may be my fault for misunderstanding this originally (but I do wonder if I was alone...) I'll be there, assuming that I am able to make all the travel arrangements tomorrow. -- Garrett Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Derek Cicero wrote: > >> I'm a little confused. >> > > Okay, seems that a lot of different people are confused, and may have different > ideas of what the summit means to them (which probably gets us down to the type > of event we wanted to plan in the first place). > > >From Sara's original announcement - > > "The OpenSolaris Summit is not a conference with presentations or exhibitors, > but an in-person, collaborative working session to plan the next release of > Project Indiana." > > In light of the various conversations happening on the list (both yourself, > Michelle and others), Sara and I tried to sit down and come up with an alternate > proposal - > > http://www.gnome.org/~gman/summit-schedule.html > > We've tried to group a few sessions together into 2 hour blocks. For sessions > that we thought were likely to be popular (and had a wide variety of > stakeholders) we tried to avoid scheduling them against anything else. > > For those people who want to have sessions on topics not listed in the current > draft, there are 2 or 3 rooms available to allow a focused breakout session. > This is the 'unconference' nature of the summit. We will provide a whiteboard at > the venue to allow people to pencil in sessions, whether they are discussions or > hackfests. > > > What do people think? > > Glynn > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 22:05:49 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:05:49 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4705C62D.4040200@sun.com> John Sonnenschein wrote: > I notice on the schedule that dinner is included in the schedule for > saturday. I'm going to throw a monkey wrench in that operation and ask > if vegetarian options are going to be available. Absolutely. Jesse, make it happen :) Glynn From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 23:48:57 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:48:57 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Will there be whiteboards at the summit? In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710041515j36836f62s3093bedc2d3b80c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710041515j36836f62s3093bedc2d3b80c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4705DE59.3000700@sun.com> We are in classroom style rooms with chalk boards and white boards. Brandorr wrote: > I thought I sent an email to the list, but I can't find it. Will there > be whiteboards at the summit? > > From dev at opensound.com Wed Oct 3 15:19:10 2007 From: dev at opensound.com (Dev Mazumdar) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:19:10 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Confirming video recordings for summit will be available? In-Reply-To: <470408D1.4080504@sun.com> References: <470408D1.4080504@sun.com> Message-ID: <4704155E.8000600@opensound.com> Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey > > Mark Martin wrote: >> Are we still on track to have video available for streaming or >> downloading during or after the summit? Are non-attending volunteers >> needed for anything? >> >> I noticed the meeting minutes mentioned it briefly, but I'm not clear if >> there's more discussion or work needed. > > I don't think there are any plans to video session, though I'm hoping there will > be audio recordings for some, but not all sessions. > > We'll also have an IRC window projected on the wall in each room, though I'm not > personally sure how effective that is going to be. > > > Glynn > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > Well how about streaming it live via icecast and OSS? Check out Live Ice: http://web.arm.ac.uk/~spm/software/liveice.html Let's do this on Solaris and prove that Solaris makes a good platform for streaming audio. regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info at opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 00:54:15 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:54:15 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4705EDA7.10101@sun.com> +1 Patrick John Sonnenschein wrote: > I notice on the schedule that dinner is included in the schedule for > saturday. I'm going to throw a monkey wrench in that operation and ask > if vegetarian options are going to be available. > > On 10/4/07, Glynn Foster wrote: >> Hey, >> >> Derek Cicero wrote: >>> I'm a little confused. >> Okay, seems that a lot of different people are confused, and may have different >> ideas of what the summit means to them (which probably gets us down to the type >> of event we wanted to plan in the first place). >> >> >From Sara's original announcement - >> >> "The OpenSolaris Summit is not a conference with presentations or exhibitors, >> but an in-person, collaborative working session to plan the next release of >> Project Indiana." >> >> In light of the various conversations happening on the list (both yourself, >> Michelle and others), Sara and I tried to sit down and come up with an alternate >> proposal - >> >> http://www.gnome.org/~gman/summit-schedule.html >> >> We've tried to group a few sessions together into 2 hour blocks. For sessions >> that we thought were likely to be popular (and had a wide variety of >> stakeholders) we tried to avoid scheduling them against anything else. >> >> For those people who want to have sessions on topics not listed in the current >> draft, there are 2 or 3 rooms available to allow a focused breakout session. >> This is the 'unconference' nature of the summit. We will provide a whiteboard at >> the venue to allow people to pencil in sessions, whether they are discussions or >> hackfests. >> >> >> What do people think? >> >> Glynn >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> > > From brandorr at opensolaris.org Fri Oct 5 06:06:51 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:06:51 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Will there be whiteboards at the summit? In-Reply-To: <4705DE59.3000700@sun.com> References: <5b5090780710041515j36836f62s3093bedc2d3b80c@mail.gmail.com> <4705DE59.3000700@sun.com> Message-ID: <5b5090780710050606p69698cdbm7a9c2eb4f072b3bd@mail.gmail.com> Great! Thanks, Brian On 10/5/07, Jesse Silver wrote: > We are in classroom style rooms with chalk boards and white boards. > > Brandorr wrote: > > I thought I sent an email to the list, but I can't find it. Will there > > be whiteboards at the summit? > > > > > -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 07:00:18 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:00:18 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <43593.72.39.216.186.1191554579.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <47058793.306@Sun.Com> <4705A727.9040705@sun.com> <4705A768.1070001@sun.com> <43593.72.39.216.186.1191554579.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <47064372.9060508@sun.com> I was looking forward to finally meeting you in person Dennis. Hopefully next time. Sara Dennis Clarke wrote: >> Yes, we have nametags. They will be gorgeous. There is no hiding. :) >> Sara >> > > Don't make a nametag for me. :-( > > I have business in Toronto on the 14th as well as on that weekend. That > scuppers my plans and there is no way out of it. > > Dennis Clarke > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 07:01:02 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:01:02 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4706439E.3030007@sun.com> Already taken care of John. We assumed there would be some "difficult" people there :) Sara John Sonnenschein wrote: > I notice on the schedule that dinner is included in the schedule for > saturday. I'm going to throw a monkey wrench in that operation and ask > if vegetarian options are going to be available. > > On 10/4/07, Glynn Foster wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> Derek Cicero wrote: >> >>> I'm a little confused. >>> >> Okay, seems that a lot of different people are confused, and may have different >> ideas of what the summit means to them (which probably gets us down to the type >> of event we wanted to plan in the first place). >> >> >From Sara's original announcement - >> >> "The OpenSolaris Summit is not a conference with presentations or exhibitors, >> but an in-person, collaborative working session to plan the next release of >> Project Indiana." >> >> In light of the various conversations happening on the list (both yourself, >> Michelle and others), Sara and I tried to sit down and come up with an alternate >> proposal - >> >> http://www.gnome.org/~gman/summit-schedule.html >> >> We've tried to group a few sessions together into 2 hour blocks. For sessions >> that we thought were likely to be popular (and had a wide variety of >> stakeholders) we tried to avoid scheduling them against anything else. >> >> For those people who want to have sessions on topics not listed in the current >> draft, there are 2 or 3 rooms available to allow a focused breakout session. >> This is the 'unconference' nature of the summit. We will provide a whiteboard at >> the venue to allow people to pencil in sessions, whether they are discussions or >> hackfests. >> >> >> What do people think? >> >> Glynn >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 07:03:34 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:03:34 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Will there be whiteboards at the summit? In-Reply-To: <47056722.8010707@Sun.COM> References: <5b5090780710041515j36836f62s3093bedc2d3b80c@mail.gmail.com> <47056722.8010707@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <47064436.2060305@sun.com> I'm doubting we'll have "print buttons". Bring cameras. I'll have one. Sara Darren Reed wrote: > Brandorr wrote: > > >> I thought I sent an email to the list, but I can't find it. Will there >> be whiteboards at the summit? >> >> >> > > And whiteboards with a "print" button? > Or do we bring cameras for that? > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 09:38:15 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:38:15 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Tell us a little about yourselves Message-ID: <47066877.4030500@sun.com> We thought it might be nice to know a little bit about each other before the Summit began. We've added a section on the wiki entitled "Pen Portraits". If everyone could take a minute to tell a little bit about themselves (or someone else as long as you can be nice or at the very least amusing) on the wiki, that would be great. I'll go first, Sara From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 14:19:49 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:19:49 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4706A9D0.3030607@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> <4705C62D.4040200@sun.com> <4705C781.6000601@sun.com> <4706A935.4060109@sun.com> <4706A9D0.3030607@sun.com> Message-ID: <4706AA75.6000103@sun.com> All of the above :) We're getting grilled vegetable sandwiches with cheese for vegetarians, and ones without cheese for vegans. Breakfast will have many options for vegetarians and vegans alike. And I can assure you, there will be chocolate. Chris Baker wrote: > Pure vegan is safe for any vege, but can be boring. I know, I used to > be vegetarian for many > years but lapsed since moving to the US. > > BTW, will there be candy/chocolate:-) > > C > > > Glynn Foster wrote: >> Hey, >> >> Chris (x86) Baker wrote: >> >>> I hear fricasse'd banana slugs are quite a delicacy, but I'm not >>> sure if >>> gastropods count >>> as vegetarian:-) >>> >>> Seriously, you might need to check the definition of "vege" as to >>> whether it means strict vegan, >>> lacto/ovo or some other combination\ >>> >> >> Good point, might be wise to provide a few different options, without >> being over >> the top. I'm sure we're hindered by UCSC though and what they can offer. >> >> >> Glynn >> > From sch at sun.com Fri Oct 5 16:19:24 2007 From: sch at sun.com (Stephen Hahn) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:19:24 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> Message-ID: <20071005231923.GB28452@eng.sun.com> * Glynn Foster [2007-10-05 03:01]: > http://www.gnome.org/~gman/summit-schedule.html This looks good, even though I'm split on what to do Sunday from 1130 - 1330. :) > We've tried to group a few sessions together into 2 hour blocks. For sessions > that we thought were likely to be popular (and had a wide variety of > stakeholders) we tried to avoid scheduling them against anything else. > > For those people who want to have sessions on topics not listed in the > current draft, there are 2 or 3 rooms available to allow a focused > breakout session. This is the 'unconference' nature of the summit. We > will provide a whiteboard at the venue to allow people to pencil in > sessions, whether they are discussions or hackfests. > > What do people think? I think I'll be pretty worn out Sunday night. Good job. - Stephen -- sch at sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ From swalker at opensolaris.org Fri Oct 5 16:37:58 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:37:58 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> Message-ID: On 04/10/2007, Glynn Foster wrote: > What do people think? I think it will be a very tiring, but great summit. The new schedule is great since I won't be forced to pick and choose between tracks so much. Ta, -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From gdamore at sun.com Fri Oct 5 18:56:57 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:56:57 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <20071005231923.GB28452@eng.sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47040E6E.60005@Sun.COM> <47043220.4030403@sun.com> <47051BEC.4010403@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <20071005231923.GB28452@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <4706EB69.8090304@sun.com> Thanks Glynn. I think those of us who want to have some technical chats need to figure that bit out... I'll be present all weekend. I'm going to want to skip most of the first part of Saturday's agenda items (11:30-16:30), so that might be a good time for others who want to talk about something besides Install and Packaging to delve into other areas, like future directions for driver work or specific hacking. -- Garrett Stephen Hahn wrote: > * Glynn Foster [2007-10-05 03:01]: > >> http://www.gnome.org/~gman/summit-schedule.html >> > > This looks good, even though I'm split on what to do Sunday from 1130 - > 1330. :) > > >> We've tried to group a few sessions together into 2 hour blocks. For sessions >> that we thought were likely to be popular (and had a wide variety of >> stakeholders) we tried to avoid scheduling them against anything else. >> >> For those people who want to have sessions on topics not listed in the >> current draft, there are 2 or 3 rooms available to allow a focused >> breakout session. This is the 'unconference' nature of the summit. We >> will provide a whiteboard at the venue to allow people to pencil in >> sessions, whether they are discussions or hackfests. >> >> What do people think? >> > > I think I'll be pretty worn out Sunday night. Good job. > > - Stephen > > From anil.verve at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 02:03:47 2007 From: anil.verve at gmail.com (Anil Gulecha) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:33:47 +0530 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4706AA75.6000103@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> <4705C62D.4040200@sun.com> <4705C781.6000601@sun.com> <4706A935.4060109@sun.com> <4706A9D0.3030607@sun.com> <4706AA75.6000103@sun.com> Message-ID: <148d59250710060203v5b315652n7c68b8c047d738f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/6/07, Jesse Silver wrote: > All of the above :) > > We're getting grilled vegetable sandwiches with cheese for vegetarians, > and ones without cheese for vegans. Breakfast will have many options for > vegetarians and vegans alike. > > And I can assure you, there will be chocolate. > Cool.. /me onto the veg wagon. Anil From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Sat Oct 6 06:36:26 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:36:26 +0100 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <148d59250710060203v5b315652n7c68b8c047d738f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> <4705C62D.4040200@sun.com> <4705C781.6000601@sun.com> <4706A935.4060109@sun.com> <4706A9D0.3030607@sun.com> <4706AA75.6000103@sun.com> <148d59250710060203v5b315652n7c68b8c047d738f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1191677786.1083.33.camel@cranialtrauma> Hi Glynn & all, On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 16:02 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: > In light of the various conversations happening on the list (both > yourself, > Michelle and others), Sara and I tried to sit down and come up with an > alternate > proposal - > > http://www.gnome.org/~gman/summit-schedule.html This looks excellent I think. > This is the 'unconference' nature of the summit. We will provide a > whiteboard at > the venue to allow people to pencil in sessions, whether they are > discussions or > hackfests. Yep, good call - I'm available for anything ZFS-related, to whatever extent I can help out. For the record - here's what I was thinking of for goals for the "ZFS to the max" session, comments welcome. * Rationale: ZFS is in OpenSolaris, but isn't "on" out of the box. - What can we do to better employ the capabilities ZFS provides? Some suggestions: - all user home dirs on zfs + delegated admin - different properties per filesystem /home/timf/Documents (copies=3) /home/timf/Music (compression=off) etc. - zfs root - multiple root environments, for reasons other than just upgrade & packaging how about convenient ways to boot a laptop for different purposes, eg. "web developer" mode "kernel hacker" mode "zones everywhere" mode "xVM" mode "just drinking coffee, reading email & browsing web" mode "low power" mode ? (any /etc/system or driver .conf hacks to get more juice from a laptop battery ?) each booting a different root clone, configured slightly differently (or are these just SMF milestones, perhaps we don't need zfs for this at all?) Since laptops are often powered on and off, would it make sense to have canned configurations so nothing extra is needed to be configured after the OS comes up - everything just works, depending on which root dataset clone you've booted. - automatic USB backup hack - scheduled snapshots Other ideas ? * What's needed to get all this stuff production ready? * Any reason why wouldn't you use ZFS on a laptop? I'm hoping we could explore these, and any other ZFS related stuff at the "ZFS to the max" session. On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 14:33 +0530, Anil Gulecha wrote: > On 10/6/07, Jesse Silver wrote: > > All of the above :) > > > > We're getting grilled vegetable sandwiches with cheese for vegetarians, > > and ones without cheese for vegans. Breakfast will have many options for > > vegetarians and vegans alike. > /me onto the veg wagon. I'm on the meat wagon. Er wait, hang on - that came out wrong! I'm not vegetarian. (though possibly it'll be a water-wagon after Friday's drinks reception :-) cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From gdamore at sun.com Sat Oct 6 10:40:59 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:40:59 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <1191677786.1083.33.camel@cranialtrauma> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> <4705C62D.4040200@sun.com> <4705C781.6000601@sun.com> <4706A935.4060109@sun.com> <4706A9D0.3030607@sun.com> <4706AA75.6000103@sun.com> <148d59250710060203v5b315652n7c68b8c047d738f@mail.gmail.com> <1191677786.1083.33.camel@cranialtrauma> Message-ID: <4707C8AB.50103@sun.com> Tim Foster wrote: > Hi Glynn & all, > > On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 16:02 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: > >> In light of the various conversations happening on the list (both >> yourself, >> Michelle and others), Sara and I tried to sit down and come up with an >> alternate >> proposal - >> >> http://www.gnome.org/~gman/summit-schedule.html >> > > This looks excellent I think. > > >> This is the 'unconference' nature of the summit. We will provide a >> whiteboard at >> the venue to allow people to pencil in sessions, whether they are >> discussions or >> hackfests. >> > > Yep, good call - I'm available for anything ZFS-related, to whatever > extent I can help out. > > For the record - here's what I was thinking of for goals for the > "ZFS to the max" session, comments welcome. > > * Rationale: ZFS is in OpenSolaris, but isn't "on" out of the box. > - What can we do to better employ the capabilities ZFS provides? > > Some suggestions: > > - all user home dirs on zfs + delegated admin > It would be really cool if useradd, etc. knew about zfs, for this. > - different properties per filesystem > /home/timf/Documents (copies=3) > /home/timf/Music (compression=off) > etc. > > - zfs root > Yes, yes, yes!! +1 million. I'd love to ditch the use of ufs entirely in favor of zfs, but right now it is too painful to do this out of the box. > - multiple root environments, for reasons other than just > upgrade & packaging > > how about convenient ways to boot a laptop for different purposes, > eg. > > "web developer" mode > "kernel hacker" mode > "zones everywhere" mode > "xVM" mode > "just drinking coffee, reading email & browsing web" mode > "low power" mode ? (any /etc/system or driver .conf hacks to > get more juice from a laptop battery ?) > ? Some of this is what NWAM does, but I'm not sure about other stuff. > each booting a different root clone, configured slightly > differently (or are these just SMF milestones, perhaps we > don't need zfs for this at all?) > Yes, I think SMF, or SMF with profiles ala NWAM, is better here. > Since laptops are often powered on and off, would it make sense > to have canned configurations so nothing extra is needed to > be configured after the OS comes up - everything just works, > depending on which root dataset clone you've booted. > > - automatic USB backup hack > Yes. But lets expand this to SDcard as well. (What about ZFS on non-disk media, such as memory cards?) > - scheduled snapshots > > Other ideas ? > > * What's needed to get all this stuff production ready? > * Any reason why wouldn't you use ZFS on a laptop? > > I'm hoping we could explore these, and any other ZFS related stuff at > the "ZFS to the max" session. > I'd like to see more flexibility in upgrading zfs pools to increase redundancy or grow them. E.g. if I a have a pair of disks in a mirror, it would be cool to be able to increase the size of the pool by adding another pair of drives. -- Garrett > On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 14:33 +0530, Anil Gulecha wrote: > >> On 10/6/07, Jesse Silver wrote: >> >>> All of the above :) >>> >>> We're getting grilled vegetable sandwiches with cheese for vegetarians, >>> and ones without cheese for vegans. Breakfast will have many options for >>> vegetarians and vegans alike. >>> > > >> /me onto the veg wagon. >> > > I'm on the meat wagon. Er wait, hang on - that came out wrong! I'm not > vegetarian. > > (though possibly it'll be a water-wagon after Friday's drinks > reception :-) > > cheers, > tim > From Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM Sat Oct 6 22:23:10 2007 From: Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM (Stuart Kreitman) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:23:10 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Parking, biking, and Friday setup Message-ID: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> FYI the ucsc campus is BIG, folks better start getting their bearings: http://maps.ucsc.edu/cmbaskin.html A brief perusal of http://www2.ucsc.edu/taps/pages/weekend_parking.html says that parking is free on saturday/sunday, but I know that parking is onerous on weekdays, so perhaps Jesse can verify this and tell us the recommended parking arrangements (Core west? campus shuttle?) I'm toying with bicycle commuting, but its a big climb up from sea level. Jesse: Please fill us in on your needs for help setting up Friday. I hadn't planned on staying over Friday night, only Saturday. Regards, Stuart Kreitman From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sat Oct 6 22:37:26 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:37:26 +1300 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> Message-ID: <47087096.2040802@sun.com> Hey, Stuart Kreitman wrote: > FYI the ucsc campus is BIG, folks better start getting their bearings: > http://maps.ucsc.edu/cmbaskin.html > > A brief perusal of http://www2.ucsc.edu/taps/pages/weekend_parking.html > says that parking is > free on saturday/sunday, but I know that parking is onerous on weekdays, > so perhaps Jesse can > verify this and tell us the recommended parking arrangements (Core west? > campus shuttle?) From http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/Directions/ "Follow signs to Core West Parking Lot. Park in spots marked ?OpenSolaris Developers?" Glynn From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Sat Oct 6 23:34:02 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:34:02 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> Message-ID: <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> Stuart, you beat me too it :) A welcome email is coming tomorrow; it will include directions, shuttle and parking information, weather/clothing info etc... Santa Cruz is certainly a bicycle friendly city and I will include info on that as well. With regards to the server equipment, our plan has changed slightly, though we still need help setting up. We are now shipping Ultra 40's and 45's, instead of the M5000 and other racked boxes to provide more flexibility in what we do with the computers. This way, we can set up private networks, move them between rooms or set them all up in the same room, etc... I've set up a meeting with the computing director at the UCSC school of engineering for Tuesday. An email with more info on this is coming on Monday. Thanks all, Jesse Stuart Kreitman wrote: > FYI the ucsc campus is BIG, folks better start getting their > bearings: http://maps.ucsc.edu/cmbaskin.html > > A brief perusal of > http://www2.ucsc.edu/taps/pages/weekend_parking.html says that parking is > free on saturday/sunday, but I know that parking is onerous on > weekdays, so perhaps Jesse can > verify this and tell us the recommended parking arrangements (Core > west? campus shuttle?) > > I'm toying with bicycle commuting, but its a big climb up from sea level. > > Jesse: Please fill us in on your needs for help setting up Friday. I > hadn't planned on staying > over Friday night, only Saturday. > > Regards, > > Stuart Kreitman From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Sun Oct 7 01:07:00 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:07:00 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> Message-ID: <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> Jesse Silver wrote: > Stuart Kreitman wrote: [snip] > We are now shipping Ultra 40's and 45's, instead of the M5000 and other > racked boxes to provide more flexibility in what we do with the > computers. This way, we can set up private networks, move them between > rooms or set them all up in the same room, etc... I've set up a meeting > with the computing director at the UCSC school of engineering for > Tuesday. An email with more info on this is coming on Monday. Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the situation I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people which hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all related project trees within an hour or two, has all compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central "mailout" gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing (because everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... ;-( ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 01:14:38 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:14:38 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <02F629AE-D840-4402-BB76-50E8736F6DA4@gmail.com> I'm actually inclined to agree, a couple T2k's and x4200's plus a bunch of sunrays ought to do the trick. As for personal workstations, isn't that what laptops are for? On 7-Oct-07, at 1:07 AM, Roland Mainz wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: >> Stuart Kreitman wrote: > [snip] >> We are now shipping Ultra 40's and 45's, instead of the M5000 and >> other >> racked boxes to provide more flexibility in what we do with the >> computers. This way, we can set up private networks, move them >> between >> rooms or set them all up in the same room, etc... I've set up a >> meeting >> with the computing director at the UCSC school of engineering for >> Tuesday. An email with more info on this is coming on Monday. > > Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the > situation > I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( > > The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger > machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people > which > hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all > related > project trees within an hour or two, has all > compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central > "mailout" > gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. > > AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost > every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped > setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it > difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing > (because > everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses > one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just > provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which > can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... > ;-( > > ---- > > Bye, > Roland > > -- > __ . . __ > (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org > \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer > /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 > (;O/ \/ \O;) > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit -- Encrypted Communication Preferred PGP Key: 0x437AF1A1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Sun Oct 7 01:23:59 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:23:59 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <02F629AE-D840-4402-BB76-50E8736F6DA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4708979F.DBBC4B02@nrubsig.org> John Sonnenschein wrote: > > On 7-Oct-07, at 1:07 AM, Roland Mainz wrote: > > > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> Stuart Kreitman wrote: > > [snip] > >> We are now shipping Ultra 40's and 45's, instead of the M5000 and > >> other > >> racked boxes to provide more flexibility in what we do with the > >> computers. This way, we can set up private networks, move them > >> between > >> rooms or set them all up in the same room, etc... I've set up a > >> meeting > >> with the computing director at the UCSC school of engineering for > >> Tuesday. An email with more info on this is coming on Monday. > > > > Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the > > situation > > I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( > > > > The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger > > machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people > > which > > hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all > > related > > project trees within an hour or two, has all > > compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central > > "mailout" > > gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. > > > > AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost > > every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped > > setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it > > difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing > > (because > > everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses > > one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just > > provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which > > can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... > > ;-( > > I'm actually inclined to agree, a couple T2k's One T2000 would be nice as one of the development machines but _not_ for the main server (see below). > and x4200's plus a > bunch of sunrays ought to do the trick. As for personal workstations, > isn't that what laptops are for? Not if you do your main stuff on SPARC and/or if you want to use SPARC-specific stuff like dbx's "check -access" feature etc. And from what I know&&hear about the T2000 I think they will just squeak&&scream&&croak under the load if more than one person runs an OS/Net build and AFAIK their non-existant single-thread performance makes will make the SunRay stuff (e.g. interactive user work with stuff like browsers) work like molasses on then, even made much worse when someone does a compile job on these machines. That's why I asked for a machine with multiple CPUs where each CPU has a high single-thread performance. And enougth memory that people can dump 2GB of work on tmpfs without needing to fear any problems of causing a memory shorage - which turned out to be a M4000. Since no M4000 was available we ended up with the "mighty finger squisher"-class (120kg) M5000... ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Sun Oct 7 01:29:53 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:29:53 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <47089901.7030403@sun.com> Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 kg server in the mail. Can the X4200 or the T2000 fill a similar role? Roland Mainz wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> Stuart Kreitman wrote: >> > [snip] > >> We are now shipping Ultra 40's and 45's, instead of the M5000 and other >> racked boxes to provide more flexibility in what we do with the >> computers. This way, we can set up private networks, move them between >> rooms or set them all up in the same room, etc... I've set up a meeting >> with the computing director at the UCSC school of engineering for >> Tuesday. An email with more info on this is coming on Monday. >> > > Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the situation > I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( > > The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger > machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people which > hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all related > project trees within an hour or two, has all > compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central "mailout" > gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. > > AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost > every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped > setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it > difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing (because > everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses > one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just > provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which > can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... > ;-( > > ---- > > Bye, > Roland > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sanjay.Nadkarni at sun.com Sun Oct 7 01:49:32 2007 From: Sanjay.Nadkarni at sun.com (Sanjay Nadkarni) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 02:49:32 -0600 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <47089901.7030403@sun.com> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> Message-ID: <47089D9C.9010009@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 > kg server in the mail. > > Can the X4200 or the T2000 fill a similar role? Right now everything is being done on x86/x64. What role will T2000 play ? -Sanjay > > Roland Mainz wrote: >> Jesse Silver wrote: >> >>> Stuart Kreitman wrote: >>> >> [snip] >> >>> We are now shipping Ultra 40's and 45's, instead of the M5000 and other >>> racked boxes to provide more flexibility in what we do with the >>> computers. This way, we can set up private networks, move them between >>> rooms or set them all up in the same room, etc... I've set up a meeting >>> with the computing director at the UCSC school of engineering for >>> Tuesday. An email with more info on this is coming on Monday. >>> >> >> Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the situation >> I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( >> >> The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger >> machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people which >> hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all related >> project trees within an hour or two, has all >> compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central "mailout" >> gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. >> >> AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost >> every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped >> setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it >> difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing (because >> everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses >> one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just >> provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which >> can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... >> ;-( >> >> ---- >> >> Bye, >> Roland >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 01:57:24 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:57:24 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <47089D9C.9010009@sun.com> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <47089D9C.9010009@sun.com> Message-ID: <02AEDA39-FD70-4A61-A7BA-664933897A32@gmail.com> define "everything" ? with the exception of architecture dependent features ( cool'n'quiet, OFW ) most projects aim for feature parity between sparc and x86 ( except polaris, which aims for feature parity between powerpc and x86/sparc ) On 7-Oct-07, at 1:49 AM, Sanjay Nadkarni wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: >> Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 >> kg server in the mail. >> >> Can the X4200 or the T2000 fill a similar role? > Right now everything is being done on x86/x64. What role will > T2000 play ? > > -Sanjay > >> >> Roland Mainz wrote: >>> Jesse Silver wrote: >>> >>>> Stuart Kreitman wrote: >>>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>> We are now shipping Ultra 40's and 45's, instead of the M5000 >>>> and other >>>> racked boxes to provide more flexibility in what we do with the >>>> computers. This way, we can set up private networks, move them >>>> between >>>> rooms or set them all up in the same room, etc... I've set up a >>>> meeting >>>> with the computing director at the UCSC school of engineering for >>>> Tuesday. An email with more info on this is coming on Monday. >>>> >>> >>> Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the >>> situation >>> I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( >>> >>> The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger >>> machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people >>> which >>> hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all >>> related >>> project trees within an hour or two, has all >>> compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central >>> "mailout" >>> gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. >>> >>> AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost >>> every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped >>> setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which >>> making it >>> difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing >>> (because >>> everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually >>> misses >>> one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or >>> just >>> provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service >>> (which >>> can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home >>> dirs) ... >>> ;-( >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> Bye, >>> Roland >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit -- Encrypted Communication Preferred PGP Key: 0x437AF1A1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Sun Oct 7 02:05:21 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:05:21 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> Message-ID: <4708A151.F269ECE5@nrubsig.org> > Jesse Silver wrote: > Roland Mainz wrote: > > Jesse Silver wrote: > > > Stuart Kreitman wrote: [snip] > > AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost > > every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped > > setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making > > it > > difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing > > (because > > everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually > > misses > > one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or > > just > > provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service > > (which > > can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) > > ... > > ;-( > > Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 > kg server in the mail. > > Can the X4200 or the T2000 fill a similar role? Then it may be better to go with a T2000 but it would be nice to compensate the lack of CPU power with more memory if possible (I can send the specs offline assuming the T2000 is Ok for you...). ---- bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Sun Oct 7 02:16:57 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:16:57 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the"many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <47089D9C.9010009@sun.com> Message-ID: <4708A409.8DEEF606@nrubsig.org> Sanjay Nadkarni wrote: > > Roland Mainz wrote: > >> Jesse Silver wrote: > >>> Stuart Kreitman wrote: [snip] > >> AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost > >> every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped > >> setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it > >> difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing (because > >> everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses > >> one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just > >> provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which > >> can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... > >> ;-( > > Jesse Silver wrote: > > Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 > > kg server in the mail. > > > > Can the X4200 or the T2000 fill a similar role? > > Right now everything is being done on x86/x64 Erm... you're having your finger in a particular important problem/wound which I'd like to raise at the conference - AFAIK the community (OpenSolaris and the Solaris folks in general) is x86-centered because getting access to SPARC development machines is nearly impossible right now without spending _lots_ of money for your own set of machines. Besides that point SPARC has some nice extra stuff which is either not available or not fully functional on x86 yet (e.g. dbx's "-check access" feature etc.). And the issue x86 vs. SPARC does AFAIK not matter since we get an even { x86, SPARC }-mix of smaller nodes anyway - see below... > What role will T2000 play ? See my previous email - it should play the role of a central server which provides home dirs via NFS, jumpstart server, login server with all development tools+all locales installed etc, SunRay server, mailout, run IRC bots if required etc. The machine should be _strictly_ userland only to make sure we have a stable server during the summit (that's why I asked for lots of "smaller" machines (both x86 and SPARC) where people can boot/install/modity their own kernel stuff or hack using "root" rights (if anything gets messed-up with the OS we can jumpstart the box from the "central hub" quickly)). ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Sun Oct 7 06:16:58 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:16:58 +0100 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4707C8AB.50103@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> <4705C62D.4040200@sun.com> <4705C781.6000601@sun.com> <4706A935.4060109@sun.com> <4706A9D0.3030607@sun.com> <4706AA75.6000103@sun.com> <148d59250710060203v5b315652n7c68b8c047d738f@mail.gmail.com> <1191677786.1083.33.camel@cranialtrauma> <4707C8AB.50103@sun.com> Message-ID: <4708DC4A.3000404@sun.com> Hey there, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> - all user home dirs on zfs + delegated admin > It would be really cool if useradd, etc. knew about zfs, for this. I agree. This would impact compatibility though, so a -z option to useradd would probably be needed. Then I start to get a bit nervous when thinking about filesystem-specific options to commands: what happens when ZFS becomes as decrepit as UFS is now[1]? > Yes, yes, yes!! +1 million. > > I'd love to ditch the use of ufs entirely in favor of zfs, but right now > it is too painful to do this out of the box. Wimp :-) >> each booting a different root clone, configured slightly >> differently (or are these just SMF milestones, perhaps we >> don't need zfs for this at all?) >> > > Yes, I think SMF, or SMF with profiles ala NWAM, is better here. That can't take care of booting the system with different driver configs though afaik. (okay, unless you boot -a to supply a path to an alternative /etc/system) Yes this idea is a little zany, but I'm trying to get people to think of all the ways we could use ZFS, however weird! >> - automatic USB backup hack >> > > Yes. But lets expand this to SDcard as well. (What about ZFS on > non-disk media, such as memory cards?) Should be okay if the SDcard stuff shows up as removable media. The existing stuff I wrote looks for /org/freedesktop/Hal/Manager DeviceAdded DBus messages, expecting to see block.device and volume.label properties when a volume is inserted. Regardless, it's probably easy enough to hack it into working properly. ZFS on USB should be fine, and the existing HAL tools might even do the right thing - but I haven't explored this in a while ( http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/hal/tools/hal-storage-zpool.c looks like what we're after) For now, the auto-backup hack expects pcfs as it's the more common filesystem on USB disks, but it'd be possible to detect the filesystem type and do the right thing (it's a pain having to split backup streams to cope with the 4gb pcfs limit) > I'd like to see more flexibility in upgrading zfs pools to increase > redundancy or grow them. E.g. if I a have a pair of disks in a mirror, > it would be cool to be able to increase the size of the pool by adding > another pair of drives. "zpool add ... " works just fine. Likewise, we can grow pools by gradually replacing existing disks with new larger disks. As soon as the smallest disk in the redundancy set is replaced, the pool gets bigger. We can't yet expand raidz sets, but can add additional raidzs in a stripe. We can't shrink pools yet either. cheers, tim [1] Yes, I'm thinking a bit long term here :-) -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From al at logical-approach.com Sun Oct 7 06:18:29 2007 From: al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:18:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <47089901.7030403@sun.com> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 kg > server in the mail. Very disappointing. I think Roland has the right idea - with a powerful, central, stable big box. What is UCSCs specific objection to the M5000 box? It does not *have* to be racked/stacked. It can just be "dropped" on the floor. We will need enough power/cooling - but it does not specifically require a server room environment. > Can the X4200 or the T2000 fill a similar role? > > Roland Mainz wrote: >> Jesse Silver wrote: >> >>> Stuart Kreitman wrote: >>> >> [snip] >> >>> We are now shipping Ultra 40's and 45's, instead of the M5000 and other >>> racked boxes to provide more flexibility in what we do with the >>> computers. This way, we can set up private networks, move them between >>> rooms or set them all up in the same room, etc... I've set up a meeting >>> with the computing director at the UCSC school of engineering for >>> Tuesday. An email with more info on this is coming on Monday. >>> >> >> Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the situation >> I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( >> >> The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger >> machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people which >> hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all related >> project trees within an hour or two, has all >> compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central "mailout" >> gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. >> >> AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost >> every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped >> setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it >> difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing (because >> everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses >> one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just >> provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which >> can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... >> ;-( >> >> ---- >> >> Bye, >> Roland >> >> Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ From swalker at opensolaris.org Sun Oct 7 08:23:24 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:23:24 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> Message-ID: On 07/10/2007, Al Hopper wrote: > On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > > > Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 kg > > server in the mail. > > Very disappointing. I think Roland has the right idea - with a > powerful, central, stable big box. What is UCSCs specific objection > to the M5000 box? It does not *have* to be racked/stacked. It can > just be "dropped" on the floor. We will need enough power/cooling - > but it does not specifically require a server room environment. I seem to remember Sara making a comment about shipping charges, remember, they do have a budget :} -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From brandorr at opensolaris.org Sun Oct 7 14:50:01 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:50:01 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Tell us a little about yourselves In-Reply-To: <47066877.4030500@sun.com> References: <47066877.4030500@sun.com> Message-ID: <5b5090780710071450t607b76e4pd09d8d84c18732fa@mail.gmail.com> Quicklink: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit On 10/5/07, Sara Dornsife wrote: > We thought it might be nice to know a little bit about each other before > the Summit began. We've added a section on the wiki entitled "Pen > Portraits". If everyone could take a minute to tell a little bit about > themselves (or someone else as long as you can be nice or at the very > least amusing) on the wiki, that would be great. > > I'll go first, > Sara > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From brandorr at opensolaris.org Sun Oct 7 15:04:55 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:04:55 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Something just struck me... Message-ID: <5b5090780710071504ref4fcck72c00ac7e9e0e63b@mail.gmail.com> If Indiana is targeted at the developer desktop, will there be an OpenSolaris distro targeted at the modern server farms? Cheers, Brian -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From David.Comay at Sun.COM Sun Oct 7 15:47:40 2007 From: David.Comay at Sun.COM (David.Comay at Sun.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Something just struck me... In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710071504ref4fcck72c00ac7e9e0e63b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710071504ref4fcck72c00ac7e9e0e63b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > If Indiana is targeted at the developer desktop, will there be an > OpenSolaris distro targeted at the modern server farms? The initial six month focus of the Indiana effort is targeted towards the developer desktop but longer term, servers are definitely a focus as well. dsc From Sanjay.Nadkarni at sun.com Sun Oct 7 16:21:01 2007 From: Sanjay.Nadkarni at sun.com (Sanjay Nadkarni) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:21:01 -0600 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the"many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <4708A409.8DEEF606@nrubsig.org> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <47089D9C.9010009@sun.com> <4708A409.8DEEF606@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470969DD.9060709@sun.com> Roland Mainz wrote: > Sanjay Nadkarni wrote: > >>> Roland Mainz wrote: >>> >>>> Jesse Silver wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stuart Kreitman wrote: >>>>> > [snip] > >>>> AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost >>>> every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped >>>> setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it >>>> difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing (because >>>> everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses >>>> one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just >>>> provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which >>>> can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... >>>> ;-( >>>> >> Jesse Silver wrote: >> >>> Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 >>> kg server in the mail. >>> >>> Can the X4200 or the T2000 fill a similar role? >>> >> Right now everything is being done on x86/x64 >> > > Erm... you're having your finger in a particular important problem/wound > which I'd like to raise at the conference - AFAIK the community > (OpenSolaris and the Solaris folks in general) is x86-centered because > getting access to SPARC development machines is nearly impossible right > now without spending _lots_ of money for your own set of machines. > Besides that point SPARC has some nice extra stuff which is either not > available or not fully functional on x86 yet (e.g. dbx's "-check access" > feature etc.). > And the issue x86 vs. SPARC does AFAIK not matter since we get an even { > x86, SPARC }-mix of smaller nodes anyway - see below... > For the March release the focus is on x86/x64 developers. By March, I expect SPARC new boot will be available which will allow us to create zfs root on SPARC. Currently that is not possible. Furthermore since most SPARC users either use jumpstart or ttinsall, rather than a GUI based install, we thought it would make sense to wait until those features had been implemented. Note that the code base for the installer is all new. We are not using pfinstall and friends. > >> What role will T2000 play ? >> > > See my previous email - it should play the role of a central server > which provides home dirs via NFS, jumpstart server, login server with > all development tools+all locales installed etc, SunRay server, mailout, > run IRC bots if required etc. The machine should be _strictly_ userland > only to make sure we have a stable server during the summit (that's why > I asked for lots of "smaller" machines (both x86 and SPARC) where people > can boot/install/modity their own kernel stuff or hack using "root" > rights (if anything gets messed-up with the OS we can jumpstart the box > from the "central hub" quickly)). > IIRC someone earlier mentioned that T2000 does not work as a SunRay server. An X4200 would probably work better. -Sanjay > ---- > > Bye, > Roland > > From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 07:39:16 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:39:16 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> Message-ID: <470A4114.5080308@sun.com> Hey, Shawn Walker wrote: > On 07/10/2007, Al Hopper wrote: >> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: >> >>> Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 kg >>> server in the mail. >> Very disappointing. I think Roland has the right idea - with a >> powerful, central, stable big box. What is UCSCs specific objection >> to the M5000 box? It does not *have* to be racked/stacked. It can >> just be "dropped" on the floor. We will need enough power/cooling - >> but it does not specifically require a server room environment. > > I seem to remember Sara making a comment about shipping charges, > remember, they do have a budget :} If we were there for a longer period I'd say go for it, but we're not. If I thought that the proportion of attendees were going to be spending their time hacking on it I'd say go for it, but I don't think that's likely. Unfortunately the reality is that we have a budget [1] to keep to, and flying people over took the priority. Do I think that it's the cause for disappointment? Sure. Do I think the summit will be significantly worse off because of it? Sorry, no. How possible is it to use some of the test farm infrastructure? Jim? Glynn [1] In some cases, you actually have to *hire* these machines, even though it's from the same company - add to that shipping, and it starts getting expensive quickly. From gdamore at sun.com Mon Oct 8 08:18:21 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:18:21 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Schedule Updates & Moderation and Goals In-Reply-To: <4708DC4A.3000404@sun.com> References: <4703980F.6050506@sun.com> <47056713.5090801@sun.com> <470579A0.5030505@sun.com> <4705A92C.1070701@sun.com> <241540330710042102l14e22be7mcc524b06563eeee9@mail.gmail.com> <4705C62D.4040200@sun.com> <4705C781.6000601@sun.com> <4706A935.4060109@sun.com> <4706A9D0.3030607@sun.com> <4706AA75.6000103@sun.com> <148d59250710060203v5b315652n7c68b8c047d738f@mail.gmail.com> <1191677786.1083.33.camel@cranialtrauma> <4707C8AB.50103@sun.com> <4708DC4A.3000404@sun.com> Message-ID: <470A4A3D.6020109@sun.com> Tim Foster wrote: > Hey there, > > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >>> - all user home dirs on zfs + delegated admin >>> >> It would be really cool if useradd, etc. knew about zfs, for this. >> > > I agree. This would impact compatibility though, so a -z option to > useradd would probably be needed. > > Then I start to get a bit nervous when thinking about > filesystem-specific options to commands: what happens when ZFS becomes > as decrepit as UFS is now[1]? > What about handling this via the ability to configure useradd's "default behavior". In other words, one could imagine a site configuring a recipe for useradd to do the thing by default. > >> Yes, yes, yes!! +1 million. >> >> I'd love to ditch the use of ufs entirely in favor of zfs, but right now >> it is too painful to do this out of the box. >> > > Wimp :-) > Heh. I read on ZFS root, and between modifying jumpstart servers, and the fact that I frequently upgrade jump start servers, and various unclear distinctions about how zfs root interacts with zones and live upgrade, I've decided its best to wait until until it is closer to production ready. But that's primarily because I do want to use those other features as well. > >>> each booting a different root clone, configured slightly >>> differently (or are these just SMF milestones, perhaps we >>> don't need zfs for this at all?) >>> >>> >> Yes, I think SMF, or SMF with profiles ala NWAM, is better here. >> > > That can't take care of booting the system with different driver > configs though afaik. (okay, unless you boot -a to supply a path to an > alternative /etc/system) Yes this idea is a little zany, but I'm > trying to get people to think of all the ways we could use ZFS, however > weird! > driver configuration is an area that I'd like to get away from being driven by user-driven policy anyway. Hacking /etc/system or driver.conf is painful, and the fact that some sites are consigned to do so today IMO represents a bug which we should fix, rather than trying to make it easier for folks to do this. > > >>> - automatic USB backup hack >>> >>> >> Yes. But lets expand this to SDcard as well. (What about ZFS on >> non-disk media, such as memory cards?) >> > > Should be okay if the SDcard stuff shows up as removable media. The > existing stuff I wrote looks for /org/freedesktop/Hal/Manager > DeviceAdded DBus messages, expecting to see block.device and > volume.label properties when a volume is inserted. > > Regardless, it's probably easy enough to hack it into working properly. > Cool. > ZFS on USB should be fine, and the existing HAL tools might even do the > right thing - but I haven't explored this in a while > ( > http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/hal/tools/hal-storage-zpool.c > looks like what we're after) > > For now, the auto-backup hack expects pcfs as it's the more common > filesystem on USB disks, but it'd be possible to detect the filesystem > type and do the right thing (it's a pain having to split backup streams > to cope with the 4gb pcfs limit) > Heh. I wonder how the future 32GB SD media deal with that pcfs limit. > >> I'd like to see more flexibility in upgrading zfs pools to increase >> redundancy or grow them. E.g. if I a have a pair of disks in a mirror, >> it would be cool to be able to increase the size of the pool by adding >> another pair of drives. >> > > "zpool add ... " works just fine. > > Likewise, we can grow pools by gradually replacing existing disks with > new larger disks. As soon as the smallest disk in the redundancy set is > replaced, the pool gets bigger. I didn't know that! Neat. > We can't yet expand raidz sets, but can > add additional raidzs in a stripe. We can't shrink pools yet either. > Shrink is less interesting IMO. I think the problem I wanted was raidz expansion. I had a pair of drives (which are now in a mirror), and I was thinking at the time, "what if I want to add another disk or two? it would be nice if I could configure now so that it would be easy to do that later". I abandoned that idea in favor of a mirror, but I do wish it were possible to arrange for raidz to expand later. (But since you've already indicated I can do that with a mirror and with a pair of drives, well, I'm much happier now.) -- Garrett > cheers, > tim > > [1] Yes, I'm thinking a bit long term here :-) > > From gdamore at sun.com Mon Oct 8 08:24:39 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:24:39 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> Message-ID: <470A4BB7.4040202@sun.com> Shawn Walker wrote: > On 07/10/2007, Al Hopper wrote: > >> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: >> >> >>> Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 kg >>> server in the mail. >>> >> Very disappointing. I think Roland has the right idea - with a >> powerful, central, stable big box. What is UCSCs specific objection >> to the M5000 box? It does not *have* to be racked/stacked. It can >> just be "dropped" on the floor. We will need enough power/cooling - >> but it does not specifically require a server room environment. >> > > I seem to remember Sara making a comment about shipping charges, > remember, they do have a budget :} > > I'm still confused why anyone would want this big of a box locally, unless they are going to do some *serious* hacking at the physical/device driver layer, which we won't have time for. One can always be set up remotely. As far as Sun Rays, T2000 works fine as a Sun Ray server. Each thread behaves as if it were running on a ~300MHz dedicated CPU. Yes, this means that some tasks (single threaded compilation, etc.) run slow. But as most desktop tasks are IO bound rather CPU bound (including web browsing!), for ordinary usage it works fine. Folks wanting to do massive compiles of ON or JDS, should probably plan on using remote build facilities and ssh. For simple userland access/debugging, etc., just bring a second T2000 if its needed. Or, an Ultra 45 workstation. If folks want to play on SPARC hardware, I can bring my very low end SPARCLE 500 MHz USIIe system. (Tadpole SPARC laptop.) I'll even bring serial cables if folks want to debug at that level. -- Garrett From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Oct 8 10:46:24 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:46:24 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470A6CF0.1050304@cuddletech.com> Roland Mainz wrote: > Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the situation > I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( > > The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger > machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people which > hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all related > project trees within an hour or two, has all > compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central "mailout" > gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. > > AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost > every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped > setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it > difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing (because > everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses > one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just > provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which > can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... > ;-( > > If anyone is upset about the M4000 you can blame me and not Sun Corporate. They needed a last minute technical liason and I was around and volenteered to jump on a concall with the reps from both Sun and Santa Cruz. The M5000 is just a massive machine and causing major logistical issues, and if you look at the specs, it was a small configuration that didn't justify the physical size or weight or power consumption of the actual system. Plus, there was no specification of the disk configuration at all, so while there was an assumption of how much disk would be available for home dirs, et al, it wasn't laid in stone to be enough. For project storage we have the internet and public repositories anyway. When you talk about centralized storage, network home dirs, jumpstart.... seriously, lets step back. This is a development summit, not Burning Man. We're gathering together physically to interact, not to hack. Bring your code on a laptop so you can put it in front of other developers for discussion, but this isn't a hack-a-thon. That being said, I asked instead for 6 Ultra40's and 6 Ultra45's. These should be ample development systems for builds and testing without the problems caused by big-iron. An X4200 and T2000 are provided by UCSC for things that require an SP (LDOM's for instance) or Niagara specific feature development. I've asked for some Sun Rays to be shipped if available, but honestly I don't like the idea. Setting up and managing all the Sun Rays is a distraction from Nevada, and everyone there _should_ bring a laptop. What I do NOT want is a great event where we can all be together be wasted while the weekend is spent playing with big servers or setting up elaborate Burning Man style networks that will exist for only 2 days and then go away. One of the reasons I wanted the workstations was because we can pick those up and move them easily. I think that whereever things are setup will probly end up being the wrong place, so if people want to go off in another room and hack together they can just pick up the workstations and move. Lastly, UCSC is being a good and gracious host, we should be good and gracious guests. We can do everything on Ultra45's that we can do on M5000's with less power, less resources, and less hassle for all concerned. We want to be good stuarts of their network, and there was no guareentee that we'd be able to put a M5000 in a dedicated room and still provide DHCP/PXE for Jumpstart because it would conflict with their network setup, and there has been no provition made for switches and piles of cat 5 to run from room to room (I've asked for a couple small switches and cat just in case we need to direct connect workstations). Lets focus on doing what we can't do remotely, and not worry so much about equipment. If you don't have a laptop, I'm sorry, buy one and get yourself a copy of VMWare or Parallel's. benr. From Chris.Baker at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 11:08:37 2007 From: Chris.Baker at Sun.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:08:37 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the"many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <470969DD.9060709@sun.com> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <47089D9C.9010009@sun.com> <4708A409.8DEEF606@nrubsig.org> <470969DD.9060709@sun.com> Message-ID: <470A7225.5040101@sun.com> Sanjay Nadkarni wrote: > <<>> > IIRC someone earlier mentioned that T2000 does not work as a SunRay > server. An X4200 would > probably work better. > > > -Sanjay > > Er, this is from my SunRay in the office, it works, but may be less than ideal as a result of floating point suppor tin the CPU: sr1-xxxx-yy:/home/bakerc 9 % uname -a SunOS sr1-xxxx-yy 5.10 Generic_125100-04 sun4v sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-T200 From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Mon Oct 8 12:13:14 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:13:14 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome.../ was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <470A6CF0.1050304@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <470A814A.CCAF54A2@nrubsig.org> Ben Rockwood wrote: > Roland Mainz wrote: > > Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the situation > > I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( > > > > The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger > > machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people which > > hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all related > > project trees within an hour or two, has all > > compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central "mailout" > > gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. > > > > AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost > > every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped > > setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it > > difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing (because > > everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses > > one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just > > provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which > > can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... > > ;-( > > If anyone is upset about the M4000 you can blame me and not Sun > Corporate. They needed a last minute technical liason and I was around > and volenteered to jump on a concall with the reps from both Sun and > Santa Cruz. Erm... I tought I should do the setup... I've already spend lots of euros on a train ticket to visit someone who can update my knowledge of the PrimePower stuff... ;-(( > The M5000 is just a massive machine and causing major logistical issues, Which logistical issues do you mean ? > and if you look at the specs, it was a small configuration that didn't > justify the physical size or weight or power consumption of the actual > system. Plus, there was no specification of the disk configuration at > all, so while there was an assumption of how much disk would be > available for home dirs, et al, it wasn't laid in stone to be enough. Both CPU, memory and storage was specified... I send the specs to Jesse&co. > For project storage we have the internet and public repositories anyway. Grumpf... wonderfull... do you want to know how this ends ? We save all the time for setting up the centra machine and then spend hours copying the data between single machines or reinstalling them because the setup misses things like locales or software. And then people ask for root access and mess the machines even more towards death&&chaos. This is the typical chaos on conferences which I wanted to avoid AT ALL COST. We're just running into a giant mess and instead of doing some peachfull discussions&&development work we get frustration... ;-( > When you talk about centralized storage, network home dirs, > jumpstart.... seriously, lets step back. This is a development summit, > not Burning Man. We're gathering together physically to interact, not > to hack. Bring your code on a laptop so you can put it in front of > other developers for discussion, but this isn't a hack-a-thon. No, this is not a "hack-a-ton" - but Sun pays horrible amounts of money for tickets and hotel fees and I hoped we can get the server(s) to make more out of this investment. There are _LOTS_ of open questions, issues, coding things etc. which could be discussed in parallel and require a faster machine, something where laptops and similar systems are useless because they do not have the CPU power, main memory or disk space. > That being said, I asked instead for 6 Ultra40's and 6 Ultra45's. These > should be ample development systems for builds and testing without the > problems caused by big-iron. An X4200 and T2000 are provided by UCSC > for things that require an SP (LDOM's for instance) or Niagara specific > feature development. Grumpf... both the Ultra40 and the Ultra45 are far too weak. The critical issue is _time_ and we only have two days. We cannot afford it to wait six hours for a test build to complete. We really need a faster machine and a different, more developer-centric setup. > I've asked for some Sun Rays to be shipped if available, but honestly I > don't like the idea. Setting up and managing all the Sun Rays is a > distraction from Nevada, and everyone there _should_ bring a laptop. Erm... laptops are too weak to do any usefull hacking with time constraints. We only have _two_ days and in the case we're restricted to laptops we can more or less cancel any usefull discussions&&work about Nevada build stuff, development or even doing some prototyping work. For example I wanted to show the SMF people the _design_ bugs they have in their i18n handing code - something which needs a _fast_ machine to crawl over a modified OS/Net tree. And AFAIK we can forget this item now because we won't get the neccesary test setup. And without showing the problems to the matching persons directly we just spend more time in emails which will take a month or longer until a consens is reached. AFAIK this qualifies as something which some people here call "pain in the "[1] ... ;-( [1]=(sorry for cursing) > What I do NOT want is a great event where we can all be together be > wasted while the weekend is spent playing with big servers or setting up > elaborate Burning Man style networks that will exist for only 2 days and > then go away. > > One of the reasons I wanted the workstations was because we can pick > those up and move them easily. Erm.... I strongly disagree - we have to setup the workstations and maintain a common configuration which takes far more time than just having one central server for doing all the compilation/development stuff and then pull it over to a smaller machine for testing. > I think that whereever things are setup > will probly end up being the wrong place, so if people want to go off in > another room and hack together they can just pick up the workstations > and move. See above... AFAIK this will just generate lots of mess. I've through this kind of setup multiple times and I have my doubts that this will work in reality without creating lots of mess with copying files around over and over again - which will need time. Addutionally the Ultra40/45 workstations are just too slow compared to a M4000 in the config I've asked for. ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From brandorr at opensolaris.org Mon Oct 8 12:16:39 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:16:39 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? Message-ID: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> On the wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit I put my name on the needs transportation table. It appears someone has put "Transportation Secured" as yes for me. Who is this benevolent soul? Thanks, Brian -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Mon Oct 8 12:22:01 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:22:01 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings ofthehill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <470A4BB7.4040202@sun.com> Message-ID: <470A8359.8C734871@nrubsig.org> Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Shawn Walker wrote: > > On 07/10/2007, Al Hopper wrote: > >> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > >>> Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 kg > >>> server in the mail. > >>> > >> Very disappointing. I think Roland has the right idea - with a > >> powerful, central, stable big box. What is UCSCs specific objection > >> to the M5000 box? It does not *have* to be racked/stacked. It can > >> just be "dropped" on the floor. We will need enough power/cooling - > >> but it does not specifically require a server room environment. > > > > I seem to remember Sara making a comment about shipping charges, > > remember, they do have a budget :} > > I'm still confused why anyone would want this big of a box locally, > unless they are going to do some *serious* hacking at the > physical/device driver layer, which we won't have time for. > > One can always be set up remotely. Which doesn't help for anything like jumpstart setup, shared home dirs and all the other stuff I've listed. > As far as Sun Rays, T2000 works fine as a Sun Ray server. Each thread > behaves as if it were running on a ~300MHz dedicated CPU. Yes, this > means that some tasks (single threaded compilation, etc.) run slow. But > as most desktop tasks are IO bound rather CPU bound (including web > browsing!), for ordinary usage it works fine. Yes... but it won't help much with the time constraints we have. We have _two_ days for doing anything usefull at the conference/summit which means we cannot afford it to wait six or eight hours for a build to complete. > Folks wanting to do massive compiles of ON or JDS, should probably plan > on using remote build facilities and ssh. We already have tested such a setup for ksh93-integration a while ago and from my experience it's a _pain_ to use of you want to use BFU or something similar. We either have a sufficiently fast machine locally or waste so much time with moving data around, readjusting etc. that the whole stuff becomes more or less useless. We simply don't have the time for such extras. ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Mon Oct 8 12:29:01 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:29:01 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings ofthehill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <470A4114.5080308@sun.com> Message-ID: <470A84FD.D6AD7CC1@nrubsig.org> Glynn Foster wrote: > Shawn Walker wrote: > > On 07/10/2007, Al Hopper wrote: > >> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > >> > >>> Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 kg > >>> server in the mail. > >> Very disappointing. I think Roland has the right idea - with a > >> powerful, central, stable big box. What is UCSCs specific objection > >> to the M5000 box? It does not *have* to be racked/stacked. It can > >> just be "dropped" on the floor. We will need enough power/cooling - > >> but it does not specifically require a server room environment. > > > > I seem to remember Sara making a comment about shipping charges, > > remember, they do have a budget :} > > If we were there for a longer period I'd say go for it, but we're not. If I > thought that the proportion of attendees were going to be spending their time > hacking on it I'd say go for it, but I don't think that's likely. Unfortunately > the reality is that we have a budget [1] to keep to, I am aware about the buget issue - that's why I wanted to make _more_ our of the ticket price by getting the matching people together and discuss some things and finally do some prototype work on a reasonable fast server machine and then test it on one of the smaller nodes. There is enougth stuff which could've been tested - but without the central server these issues now needed to be discussed somehow else... and that takes lots of time - which will IMO cost more (since engineers need to be paid, even for writing emails) than just buying a new M4000. > Do I think that it's the cause for disappointment? Both disappointment and frustration... at least on my side since I hoped to make more out of the summit... ;-(( ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Mon Oct 8 12:33:47 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:33:47 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of thehill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> Message-ID: <470A861B.4426560@nrubsig.org> Shawn Walker wrote: > On 07/10/2007, Al Hopper wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > > > > > Very sorry Roland; UCSC was not particularly keen on receiving a 125 kg > > > server in the mail. > > > > Very disappointing. I think Roland has the right idea - with a > > powerful, central, stable big box. What is UCSCs specific objection > > to the M5000 box? It does not *have* to be racked/stacked. It can > > just be "dropped" on the floor. We will need enough power/cooling - > > but it does not specifically require a server room environment. > > I seem to remember Sara making a comment about shipping charges, > remember, they do have a budget :} Ok... question: How much does it cost to get the M4000 or M5000 shipped around ? AFAIK the original idea was to put it into Jesse's car and drive it to the summit building... ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Mon Oct 8 12:41:54 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:41:54 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome tothe"many kings of the hill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <47089D9C.9010009@sun.com> <4708A409.8DEEF606@nrubsig.org> <470969DD.9060709@sun.com> Message-ID: <470A8802.16BFFAE@nrubsig.org> Sanjay Nadkarni wrote: > Roland Mainz wrote: > > Sanjay Nadkarni wrote: > >>> Roland Mainz wrote: > >>>> Jesse Silver wrote: [snip] > > Erm... you're having your finger in a particular important problem/wound > > which I'd like to raise at the conference - AFAIK the community > > (OpenSolaris and the Solaris folks in general) is x86-centered because > > getting access to SPARC development machines is nearly impossible right > > now without spending _lots_ of money for your own set of machines. > > Besides that point SPARC has some nice extra stuff which is either not > > available or not fully functional on x86 yet (e.g. dbx's "-check access" > > feature etc.). > > And the issue x86 vs. SPARC does AFAIK not matter since we get an even { > > x86, SPARC }-mix of smaller nodes anyway - see below... > > > For the March release the focus is on x86/x64 developers. By March, I > expect SPARC new boot will be available which will allow us to create > zfs root on SPARC. Currently that is not possible. Furthermore since > most SPARC users either use jumpstart or ttinsall, rather than a GUI > based install, we thought it would make sense to wait until those > features had been implemented. Note that the code base for the > installer is all new. We are not using pfinstall and friends. Erm... but that are all Indiana-specific issue, right ? At least I try to get some generic OpenSolaris issues done, too - which ranges from OS/Net makefile issues, build time, DTrace problems, shells, POSIX stuff, i18n stuff, SMF brokeness and other things. That alone is stuff for a week or more to work on and I don't want to waste time if possible. > >> What role will T2000 play ? > > > > See my previous email - it should play the role of a central server > > which provides home dirs via NFS, jumpstart server, login server with > > all development tools+all locales installed etc, SunRay server, mailout, > > run IRC bots if required etc. The machine should be _strictly_ userland > > only to make sure we have a stable server during the summit (that's why > > I asked for lots of "smaller" machines (both x86 and SPARC) where people > > can boot/install/modity their own kernel stuff or hack using "root" > > rights (if anything gets messed-up with the OS we can jumpstart the box > > from the "central hub" quickly)). > > > IIRC someone earlier mentioned that T2000 does not work as a SunRay > server. Yes, that was AFAIK I who complained about it... the T2000 is not exactly the best machine for running the SunRay stuff... but I'm willing to trade the M4000 against a T2000 assuming it has eight cores and >= 32GB (to compensate the lack of CPU power with doing more stuff in memory). > An X4200 would probably work better. I'm not sure - at least I would prefer either a M4000/M5000 or a T2000 SPARC box. ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From John.Plocher at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 12:47:56 2007 From: John.Plocher at Sun.COM (John Plocher) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:47:56 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings ofthehill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <470A8359.8C734871@nrubsig.org> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <470A4BB7.4040202@sun.com> <470A8359.8C734871@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470A896C.3050606@Sun.Com> Roland Mainz wrote: > ... Ignoring noise and airflow, weight and size (which are themselves non-trivial issues), I'd guess that the key issue is that it is hard to find a classroom with the high amperage 220v circuits needed to support a large server in a country where everything is 110v... > Which doesn't help for anything like jumpstart setup, shared home dirs > and all the other stuff I've listed. I can't imagine what all would go into "home dirs" for such a short weekend, or that it couldn't better be hosted on a laptop or dongle-drive. Jumpstart simply needs something with a fast net connection and disk space; that kind of workload is certainly not CPU bound. > we cannot afford it to wait six or eight hours for a build This seems to be your the key issue: Will we have access to fast build servers such that the create a workspace edit some files build the workspace jumpstart or BFU the resulting image boot and test changes cycle can happen with a reasonable cycle time? What times would be typical -vs- delightful -vs- unacceptable, and what setups do we need to deliver them? Note that, at least for me, I expect that the interactive social gatherings and problem brainstorming/solving sessions will be much more "valuable" than time spent doing OS compiles and debugging, though I'd /love/ to come away from the weekend with a working prototype of an OS.o ARC workflow & participation web app... -John From gdamore at sun.com Mon Oct 8 13:00:45 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:00:45 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings ofthehill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <470A8359.8C734871@nrubsig.org> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <470A4BB7.4040202@sun.com> <470A8359.8C734871@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470A8C6D.40309@sun.com> Roland Mainz wrote: I'm going to elide this and condense down your argument to what I *think* are your central concerns: 1) storage, general purpose, compute, jumpstart, etc. (*not* large compilation jobs!). For these tasks, I believe most people will use their personal laptops, or some combination of Sun Rays, network hosted systems, and removable storage. A big honking system is, IMO, not the right answer for this class of problems, given that its only going to be there for two days. 2) large compute tasks. Of those, I believe that only compilation is likely to be interesting in this venue. I also *believe* that even a 3 hour compilation job for all of ON (which is fairly typical on decent hardware) is going to take too long to make it feasible to integrate this much into our agenda. Instead, doing *partial* compilation (e.g. cd into a directory and just do make in that subdirectory!) is going to be much much more likely to be useful. There are also big honking servers offsite, for final verification if that is necessary. I think the current plan, of a few U45s and U40s, is pretty good. -- Garrett From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Mon Oct 8 13:18:05 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:18:05 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the"many kings ofthehill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <470A4BB7.4040202@sun.com> <470A8359.8C734871@nrubsig.org> <470A8C6D.40309@sun.com> Message-ID: <470A907D.DF97DD9F@nrubsig.org> Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Roland Mainz wrote: > I'm going to elide this and condense down your argument to what I > *think* are your central concerns: > > 1) storage, general purpose, compute, jumpstart, etc. (*not* large > compilation jobs!). For these tasks, I believe most people will use > their personal laptops, or some combination of Sun Rays, network hosted > systems, and removable storage. A big honking system is, IMO, not the > right answer for this class of problems, given that its only going to be > there for two days. I disagree - a central system which maintains&&bundels all these things is easier to handle then if everyone runs his/her own "kingdom" - that's why I called this the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome: Many people waste their time with setting up their own stuff and causing trouble for others. I've seen this over and over again at events like LinuxTag and LinuxWorld in Germany and I'd like to avoid this chaos because it costs lots of time - which we do not have. > 2) large compute tasks. Of those, I believe that only compilation is > likely to be interesting in this venue. I also *believe* that even a 3 > hour compilation job for all of ON (which is fairly typical on decent > hardware) is going to take too long to make it feasible to integrate > this much into our agenda. Instead, doing *partial* compilation (e.g. > cd into a directory and just do make in that subdirectory!) is going to > be much much more likely to be useful. There are also big honking > servers offsite, for final verification if that is necessary. > > I think the current plan, of a few U45s and U40s, is pretty good. And I have to disagree. At least for some of the things this setup will result in a situation where many items just cannot be tested&&discussed properly. And we just run the admins ragged by having many small workstations which need to be setup and reinstalled on demand which steals time, too. And it's the _time_ we do not have. Therefore I strongly doubt that the "few U45s and U40s [and no central hub]" is a usefull setup. We just waste time and won't be able to do all the stuff which should be done during this meeting/conference/summit. And I really like to get as _much_ stuff as possible done because I can't simply buy a plane ticket myself - which means this is the one and only chance I have in the forseeable future to get some issues settted. ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Mon Oct 8 13:50:08 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:50:08 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the"many kings ofthehill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <470A4BB7.4040202@sun.com> <470A8359.8C734871@nrubsig.org> <470A896C.3050606@Sun.Com> Message-ID: <470A9800.E92F0C05@nrubsig.org> John Plocher wrote: > Roland Mainz wrote: > Ignoring noise and airflow, weight and size (which are themselves > non-trivial issues), I'd guess that the key issue is that it is hard > to find a classroom with the high amperage 220v circuits needed to > support a large server in a country where everything is 110v... > > > Which doesn't help for anything like jumpstart setup, shared home dirs > > and all the other stuff I've listed. > > I can't imagine what all would go into "home dirs" for such a short weekend, > or that it couldn't better be hosted on a laptop or dongle-drive. It it IMO easier to have the stuff in our home dir and not copy it around, e.g. have one central hub and export the home dirs to the test machines on demand. And if the test machine goes down and requires a reinstall then no data get lost because they are hosted on the main hub. Otherwise we need to copy data around via USB sticks or other ways (assuming source and destination machines support USB (which not all machines do)) which steals time. Additional any attempt to "rescue data from a broken system" will need time, too. > Jumpstart simply needs something with a fast net connection and disk space; > that kind of workload is certainly not CPU bound. No, but it is easier to have a jumpstart setup on a central box and let people working from there instead of letting people run the stuff from their laptops - otherwise we have trouble with the networking logictics where you have many bootp/dhcpd/etc. servers running instead of just one. The margin for errors/mistakes becomes far greater than a good&&organised setup. > > we cannot afford it to wait six or eight hours for a build > > This seems to be your the key issue: Will we have access to fast > build servers such that the > > create a workspace > edit some files > build the workspace > jumpstart or BFU the resulting image > boot and test changes > > cycle can happen with a reasonable cycle time? That's not the only issue, for example for a remote system we need to do modifications, e.g. install all neccesary stuff and do other non-trivial modifications (like installing more locales) etc. And we need shell access and maybe even X11 access, too (where X11 access means _not_ X11 over ssh tunnel since this is a pain to use unless you have a network with very low latency and a sufficiently fast CPU to deal with SSH). > What times would be typical -vs- delightful -vs- unacceptable, > and what setups do we need to deliver them? "typical" depend on what equipment people have - _my_ typical cycle time is >= 48 hours since I only own an Ultra5 with 256MB. "Acceptable" build time for OS/Net may be anything <= three hours, "delightfull" anything <= two hours - and "unacceptable" anything >= three hours. > Note that, at least for me, I expect that the interactive social > gatherings and problem brainstorming/solving sessions will be much > more "valuable" than time spent doing OS compiles and debugging, > though I'd /love/ to come away from the weekend with a working > prototype of an OS.o ARC workflow & participation web app... Well, some of the things I'd like to do is something like getting one of the SMF people on front of the machines (e.g. SunRay terminal) with a japanese locale (that's why I asked Alan for a japanese keyboard) and then let him/her explain how the svcprop output would work in a non-UTF-8 locale (which doesn't work for obvious reasons discussed in smf-discuss at opensolaris.org) and then test some possible alteratives - which means we have to touch SMF code and boot a system with the new setup. It's possible to do this via a laptop and VMware snapshots but will take ~~12hours to crawl over the tree and other hour to do the changes in a VMware VM - compared to just two or three hours with the proposed setup with the M4000 (which also leaves the laptop free for other stuff (which I'd like to do in parallel)). And that's only one of the things I'd like to do with the machines. ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From jason at ansipunx.net Mon Oct 8 14:03:00 2007 From: jason at ansipunx.net (Jason King) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:03:00 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/8/07, Brandorr wrote: > On the wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit > > I put my name on the needs transportation table. It appears someone > has put "Transportation Secured" as yes for me. Who is this benevolent > soul? > > Thanks, > Brian > -- > - Brian Gupta > > http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit Related to this, has anyone thought about rides back to the airport on Sunday or Monday yet? From dev at opensound.com Mon Oct 8 14:14:16 2007 From: dev at opensound.com (Dev Mazumdar) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:14:16 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470A9DA8.5000301@opensound.com> Jason King wrote: > On 10/8/07, Brandorr wrote: >> On the wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit >> >> I put my name on the needs transportation table. It appears someone >> has put "Transportation Secured" as yes for me. Who is this benevolent >> soul? >> >> Thanks, >> Brian >> -- >> - Brian Gupta >> >> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > > Related to this, has anyone thought about rides back to the airport on > Sunday or Monday yet? > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > Hi, I've got a car reserved on Friday @ San Jose around 7:00PM and will be leaving on Monday around 9AM to catch a flight @11AM. Feel free to call my mobile number @ 310 895 5427 if you need a ride. regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info at opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 14:16:27 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:16:27 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> We're going to post a ride board at the event so we can work that out. Anything that can be worked out ahead of time is a good thing. Sara Jason King wrote: > On 10/8/07, Brandorr wrote: > >> On the wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit >> >> I put my name on the needs transportation table. It appears someone >> has put "Transportation Secured" as yes for me. Who is this benevolent >> soul? >> >> Thanks, >> Brian >> -- >> - Brian Gupta >> >> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> > > Related to this, has anyone thought about rides back to the airport on > Sunday or Monday yet? > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John.Plocher at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 14:36:27 2007 From: John.Plocher at Sun.COM (John Plocher) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:36:27 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the"many kings ofthehill"-syndrome... / was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <470A9800.E92F0C05@nrubsig.org> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <47089901.7030403@sun.com> <470A4BB7.4040202@sun.com> <470A8359.8C734871@nrubsig.org> <470A896C.3050606@Sun.Com> <470A9800.E92F0C05@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470AA2DB.40501@Sun.Com> Roland Mainz wrote: > e.g. have one central hub and export the home dirs to the test > machines on demand. This sounds like a simple system with 1TB of disk (10GB/attendee) with NFS could do this - just designate one of the boxes to be "homedirs.opensolaris.ucsc.edu". Make this box a jumpstart server as well; it won't be much of a load even if 5 or 10 of the attendees use it... > That's not the only issue, for example for a remote system we need to do > modifications, e.g. install all neccesary stuff and do other non-trivial > modifications (like installing more locales) etc. If the homedir/jumpstart server was also a sunray server, it could also host a dozen users - as long as it wasn't used as a compile server. And if it had all those locals installed... I presume the network will be low latency/high bandwidth. I still don't see a need for big-iron - except for doing compiles. I'm hoping that there will be a remote compile-farm that can be used, but even so, a 3-hour cycle time isn't really a good fit with the short timeframe we have... > Well, some of the things I'd like to do is something like getting one of > the SMF people on front of the machines Do you have a SMF person identified? If so, how about you start the conversation now; if not, what if the "right person" doesn't show up? Or if they do, but have other plans and aren't intending to spend their 48 hours glued to a rub-your-face-in-it compile session? -John From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Oct 8 14:43:47 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:43:47 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> Message-ID: <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> Ya, I'd like to get that better sorted out. I've put my name on there to offer a ride, but I've not gotten any takers yet. I'd really welcome the ability to spend a little extra time with those going along. I'm going down Friday afternoon/evening and coming back Sunday evening. I can pick up anyone arriving Friday and I'll just modify my plans accordingly or we can hang at my pad for a bit before going down. benr. Sara Dornsife wrote: > We're going to post a ride board at the event so we can work that out. > Anything that can be worked out ahead of time is a good thing. > Sara > > > Jason King wrote: >> On 10/8/07, Brandorr wrote: >> >>> On the wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit >>> >>> I put my name on the needs transportation table. It appears someone >>> has put "Transportation Secured" as yes for me. Who is this benevolent >>> soul? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Brian >>> -- >>> - Brian Gupta >>> From John.Plocher at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 14:57:43 2007 From: John.Plocher at Sun.COM (John Plocher) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:57:43 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <470AA7D7.4080502@Sun.Com> > I'd really welcome the ability to spend a little extra time with those > going along. Is there any interest in meeting "this side of the hill" before heading down to Santa Cruz? I could pull together an impromptu tour of Sun's Menlo Park campus, the Executive Briefing Center and the Usability labs; we could even walk down the halls where the Solaris networking and OS engineers sit (at least, those who do their sitting in Menlo Park :-) On the other hand, a Friday afternoon at the beach in Santa Cruz has a lot more going for it than touring some stuffy old office building in Silicon Valley! WDYT? -John From gdamore at sun.com Mon Oct 8 15:02:33 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:02:33 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> I have reserved a vehicle, but I'm happy to cancel and carpool as well. I'm arriving in SJC at 6:10 PM on Friday. I'm leaving SJC at 7:25 PM Sunday. Not sure what the drive times are like from Santa Cruz to San Jose, but it *looks* reasonably short on the map.... my biggest concerns with having my own vehicle were making sure that I had a guaranteed ride back to the airport coming home. As long as someone else can help me with that, I'd rather *not* rent a car. (Although, to be fair, its at Sun's expense, not my own.) -- Garrett Ben Rockwood wrote: > Ya, I'd like to get that better sorted out. I've put my name on there > to offer a ride, but I've not gotten any takers yet. > > I'd really welcome the ability to spend a little extra time with those > going along. I'm going down Friday afternoon/evening and coming back > Sunday evening. I can pick up anyone arriving Friday and I'll just > modify my plans accordingly or we can hang at my pad for a bit before > going down. > > benr. > > > Sara Dornsife wrote: > >> We're going to post a ride board at the event so we can work that out. >> Anything that can be worked out ahead of time is a good thing. >> Sara >> >> >> Jason King wrote: >> >>> On 10/8/07, Brandorr wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On the wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit >>>> >>>> I put my name on the needs transportation table. It appears someone >>>> has put "Transportation Secured" as yes for me. Who is this benevolent >>>> soul? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Brian >>>> -- >>>> - Brian Gupta >>>> >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:42:09 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:42:09 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome.../ was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <470A814A.CCAF54A2@nrubsig.org> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <470A6CF0.1050304@cuddletech.com> <470A814A.CCAF54A2@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <241540330710081542y469f7cc4sa6a8ae48692012df@mail.gmail.com> w.r.t. building ON, if someone @ sun's campus can set up a big build server with ssh accounts for all the attendees, I should think that should be sufficient. You can set up a personal Hg repo with nothing but ssh access to a machine. Doesn't help for sunray or jumpstart, etc, but it does eliminate the problem of needing more muscle to build. that being said, I know i can make clean && make my open-i18n libc tree in parallels on my macbook in about 5 minutes or so, so I don't need to really worry about building the whole of ON while I'm at it On 10/8/07, Roland Mainz wrote: > Ben Rockwood wrote: > > Roland Mainz wrote: > > > Groan... I'm a few days away and now we're getting exactly the situation > > > I tried to avoid in the first place... ;-(((((( > > > > > > The idea of the M4000 (which magically morphed into an even bigger > > > machine) was to provide a central, _stable_ server for all people which > > > hosts all the home dirs, has enough compute power to compile all related > > > project trees within an hour or two, has all > > > compilers/locales/development tools installed, acts is central "mailout" > > > gateway, a machine to jumpstart all other, smaller machines etc. > > > > > > AFAIK we're now getting the "many kings of the hill"-symdrome almost > > > every fair or summit has (at least the last eleven where I helped > > > setting stuff up) where everyone runs it's own machine which making it > > > difficult to move data quickly around, share stuff, run testing (because > > > everyone will do his/her favourite installation (which usually misses > > > one or two bits which are hard to install/change afterwards)) or just > > > provide a quick&easy way to give people a stable login service (which > > > can be quickly spread to other machines via the shared home dirs) ... > > > ;-( > > > > If anyone is upset about the M4000 you can blame me and not Sun > > Corporate. They needed a last minute technical liason and I was around > > and volenteered to jump on a concall with the reps from both Sun and > > Santa Cruz. > > Erm... I tought I should do the setup... I've already spend lots of > euros on a train ticket to visit someone who can update my knowledge of > the PrimePower stuff... ;-(( > > > The M5000 is just a massive machine and causing major logistical issues, > > Which logistical issues do you mean ? > > > and if you look at the specs, it was a small configuration that didn't > > justify the physical size or weight or power consumption of the actual > > system. Plus, there was no specification of the disk configuration at > > all, so while there was an assumption of how much disk would be > > available for home dirs, et al, it wasn't laid in stone to be enough. > > Both CPU, memory and storage was specified... I send the specs to > Jesse&co. > > > For project storage we have the internet and public repositories anyway. > > Grumpf... wonderfull... do you want to know how this ends ? We save all > the time for setting up the centra machine and then spend hours copying > the data between single machines or reinstalling them because the setup > misses things like locales or software. And then people ask for root > access and mess the machines even more towards death&&chaos. > This is the typical chaos on conferences which I wanted to avoid AT ALL > COST. We're just running into a giant mess and instead of doing some > peachfull discussions&&development work we get frustration... ;-( > > > When you talk about centralized storage, network home dirs, > > jumpstart.... seriously, lets step back. This is a development summit, > > not Burning Man. We're gathering together physically to interact, not > > to hack. Bring your code on a laptop so you can put it in front of > > other developers for discussion, but this isn't a hack-a-thon. > > No, this is not a "hack-a-ton" - but Sun pays horrible amounts of money > for tickets and hotel fees and I hoped we can get the server(s) to make > more out of this investment. There are _LOTS_ of open questions, issues, > coding things etc. which could be discussed in parallel and require a > faster machine, something where laptops and similar systems are useless > because they do not have the CPU power, main memory or disk space. > > > That being said, I asked instead for 6 Ultra40's and 6 Ultra45's. These > > should be ample development systems for builds and testing without the > > problems caused by big-iron. An X4200 and T2000 are provided by UCSC > > for things that require an SP (LDOM's for instance) or Niagara specific > > feature development. > > Grumpf... both the Ultra40 and the Ultra45 are far too weak. The > critical issue is _time_ and we only have two days. We cannot afford it > to wait six hours for a test build to complete. We really need a faster > machine and a different, more developer-centric setup. > > > I've asked for some Sun Rays to be shipped if available, but honestly I > > don't like the idea. Setting up and managing all the Sun Rays is a > > distraction from Nevada, and everyone there _should_ bring a laptop. > > Erm... laptops are too weak to do any usefull hacking with time > constraints. We only have _two_ days and in the case we're restricted to > laptops we can more or less cancel any usefull discussions&&work about > Nevada build stuff, development or even doing some prototyping work. > > For example I wanted to show the SMF people the _design_ bugs they have > in their i18n handing code - something which needs a _fast_ machine to > crawl over a modified OS/Net tree. And AFAIK we can forget this item now > because we won't get the neccesary test setup. And without showing the > problems to the matching persons directly we just spend more time in > emails which will take a month or longer until a consens is reached. > AFAIK this qualifies as something which some people here call "pain in > the "[1] ... ;-( > > [1]=(sorry for cursing) > > > What I do NOT want is a great event where we can all be together be > > wasted while the weekend is spent playing with big servers or setting up > > elaborate Burning Man style networks that will exist for only 2 days and > > then go away. > > > > One of the reasons I wanted the workstations was because we can pick > > those up and move them easily. > > Erm.... I strongly disagree - we have to setup the workstations and > maintain a common configuration which takes far more time than just > having one central server for doing all the compilation/development > stuff and then pull it over to a smaller machine for testing. > > > I think that whereever things are setup > > will probly end up being the wrong place, so if people want to go off in > > another room and hack together they can just pick up the workstations > > and move. > > See above... AFAIK this will just generate lots of mess. I've through > this kind of setup multiple times and I have my doubts that this will > work in reality without creating lots of mess with copying files around > over and over again - which will need time. Addutionally the Ultra40/45 > workstations are just too slow compared to a M4000 in the config I've > asked for. > > ---- > > Bye, > Roland > > -- > __ . . __ > (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org > \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer > /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 > (;O/ \/ \O;) > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu From phil at bolthole.com Mon Oct 8 15:45:10 2007 From: phil at bolthole.com (Philip Brown) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:45:10 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com>; from gdamore@sun.com on Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:02:33PM -0700 References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> Message-ID: <20071008154510.O3317@bolthole.com> On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:02:33PM -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > I have reserved a vehicle, but I'm happy to cancel and carpool as well. > > I'm arriving in SJC at 6:10 PM on Friday. > I'm leaving SJC at 7:25 PM Sunday. > > Not sure what the drive times are like from Santa Cruz to San Jose, but > it *looks* reasonably short on the map.... BAH_HAHAHAHAHHA.... The drive on friday afternoon/evening is miserable, far as I remember. Mind you, it's been over 10 years since I did it regularly... I think you basically have to start out before 3:30, or after 7pm. which it looks like you might be doing anyway, i suppose. From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Oct 8 16:15:10 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:15:10 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> Message-ID: <470AB9FE.4070701@cuddletech.com> Garrett D'Amore wrote: > I have reserved a vehicle, but I'm happy to cancel and carpool as well. > > I'm arriving in SJC at 6:10 PM on Friday. > I'm leaving SJC at 7:25 PM Sunday. > > Not sure what the drive times are like from Santa Cruz to San Jose, > but it *looks* reasonably short on the map.... my biggest concerns > with having my own vehicle were making sure that I had a guaranteed > ride back to the airport coming home. > > As long as someone else can help me with that, I'd rather *not* rent a > car. (Although, to be fair, its at Sun's expense, not my own.) Rush hour drive from San Jose to Santa Cruz sucks, but I'd love to have some quality time to get to know you better Garrett! I'll be happy to pick you up at 6:10pm, just email me your flight info so I can meet you at the gate and be apprised of any unforeseen delays in your flight. benr. From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Oct 8 16:17:26 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:17:26 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AA7D7.4080502@Sun.Com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA7D7.4080502@Sun.Com> Message-ID: <470ABA86.1050009@cuddletech.com> John Plocher wrote: >> I'd really welcome the ability to spend a little extra time with those >> going along. >> > > Is there any interest in meeting "this side of the hill" before heading > down to Santa Cruz? I could pull together an impromptu tour of Sun's > Menlo Park campus, the Executive Briefing Center and the Usability labs; > we could even walk down the halls where the Solaris networking and OS > engineers sit (at least, those who do their sitting in Menlo Park :-) > > On the other hand, a Friday afternoon at the beach in Santa Cruz > has a lot more going for it than touring some stuffy old office building > in Silicon Valley! > I'd be happy to give a tour but I don't have a badge. ;) Its a good idea but I don't think there will be sufficient time, at least for me. benr. From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 16:45:58 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:45:58 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <20071008154510.O3317@bolthole.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> <20071008154510.O3317@bolthole.com> Message-ID: <470AC136.6000108@sun.com> It might take 1.5 hours, but Oh what a beautiful drive through the Santa Cruz mountains it is. Philip Brown wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:02:33PM -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> I have reserved a vehicle, but I'm happy to cancel and carpool as well. >> >> I'm arriving in SJC at 6:10 PM on Friday. >> I'm leaving SJC at 7:25 PM Sunday. >> >> Not sure what the drive times are like from Santa Cruz to San Jose, but >> it *looks* reasonably short on the map.... >> > > BAH_HAHAHAHAHHA.... > > > The drive on friday afternoon/evening is miserable, far as I remember. > > Mind you, it's been over 10 years since I did it regularly... > > I think you basically have to start out before 3:30, or after 7pm. > > which it looks like you might be doing anyway, i suppose. > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 16:47:48 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:47:48 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AC136.6000108@sun.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> <20071008154510.O3317@bolthole.com> <470AC136.6000108@sun.com> Message-ID: <470AC1A4.4060109@sun.com> To follow up, with no traffic, the drive from the San Jose Airport would usually take about 40 minutes. Jesse Silver wrote: > It might take 1.5 hours, but Oh what a beautiful drive through the > Santa Cruz mountains it is. > > Philip Brown wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:02:33PM -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> >>> I have reserved a vehicle, but I'm happy to cancel and carpool as well. >>> >>> I'm arriving in SJC at 6:10 PM on Friday. >>> I'm leaving SJC at 7:25 PM Sunday. >>> >>> Not sure what the drive times are like from Santa Cruz to San Jose, but >>> it *looks* reasonably short on the map.... >>> >> >> BAH_HAHAHAHAHHA.... >> >> >> The drive on friday afternoon/evening is miserable, far as I remember. >> >> Mind you, it's been over 10 years since I did it regularly... >> >> I think you basically have to start out before 3:30, or after 7pm. >> >> which it looks like you might be doing anyway, i suppose. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benr at cuddletech.com Mon Oct 8 16:52:44 2007 From: benr at cuddletech.com (Ben Rockwood) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:52:44 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Welcome to the "many kings of the hill"-syndrome.../ was: Re: Parking, biking, and Friday setup In-Reply-To: <470A814A.CCAF54A2@nrubsig.org> References: <47086D3E.4010508@sun.com> <47087DDA.5050401@sun.com> <470893A4.3665CFD7@nrubsig.org> <470A6CF0.1050304@cuddletech.com> <470A814A.CCAF54A2@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470AC2CC.7020103@cuddletech.com> Roland Mainz wrote: > See above... AFAIK this will just generate lots of mess. I've through > this kind of setup multiple times and I have my doubts that this will > work in reality without creating lots of mess with copying files around > over and over again - which will need time. Addutionally the Ultra40/45 > workstations are just too slow compared to a M4000 in the config I've > asked for. > Roland, I think your over blowing the issue significantly. The time required to install and configure an M5000 will far out weigh additional compilation time on an Ultra45 or Ultra40 if you can build on X86. The reality is that I was asked to make a decision and I made it. I'm sorry that you don't get your $75,000 server, but when I have to choose between Roland getting his big box or making life easier for our gracious hosts at Santa Cruz, I choose that latter. I can build all of ON in just over an hour on an Ultra40, I doubt I could build it that fast on an M5000 spec'ed the way yours was. If I'm wrong and you continue to be insistent that we require a massive box please supply me with the following evidence: A) Why can't this be done on a Ultra45 SPARC system? B) What code is this and why can't it be built on faster AMD system? C) Quantify the time wasted building on Ultra45's vs the time required to install, setup, and network an M5000. D) Why does this development need to happen at a Summit rather than remotely? If you can supply firm irrefutable evidence on all of those I'll do what I can to supply you with your uber-system. benr. From anil.verve at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 18:24:50 2007 From: anil.verve at gmail.com (Anil Gulecha) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 06:54:50 +0530 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> Also, There are a few of us coming in from SFO. Anyone pooling from there? What are the recommended ways to get to the Coast Santa Cruz from SFO. Regards Anil From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 18:34:28 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:34:28 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470ADAA4.4000606@sun.com> That info coming soon. Anil Gulecha wrote: > Also, > > There are a few of us coming in from SFO. Anyone pooling from there? > What are the recommended ways to get to the Coast Santa Cruz from SFO. > > Regards > Anil > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Darren.Reed at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 18:40:51 2007 From: Darren.Reed at Sun.COM (Darren Reed) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:40:51 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470ADC23.9010201@Sun.COM> Anil Gulecha wrote: >Also, > >There are a few of us coming in from SFO. Anyone pooling from there? >What are the recommended ways to get to the Coast Santa Cruz from SFO. > > If you were driving yourself, 380, 280, 17. If you're not in a rush and during daylight, take 380, 280, 92, 35, 9. *That* is a nice drive (but add time as you won't be crusing down 35 or 9 at more than 45-50, compared to 280 which flows much faster.) Darren From Darren.Reed at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 18:46:26 2007 From: Darren.Reed at Sun.COM (Darren Reed) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:46:26 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AC1A4.4060109@sun.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> <20071008154510.O3317@bolthole.com> <470AC136.6000108@sun.com> <470AC1A4.4060109@sun.com> Message-ID: <470ADD72.4040503@Sun.COM> Afternoon/evening on a Sunday from Santa Cruz to San Jose can be like driving on 101 during peek hour, except that the curves in the road make it just that little bit more dangerous - everyone is going home from their weekend (or day) trip to the coast to relax for a while. Or in other words, in the last 10 years, not much has changed here :) And it would be a more beautiful drive if you didn't spend so much time staring at the back of someone else's car :-P Jesse Silver wrote: > To follow up, with no traffic, the drive from the San Jose Airport > would usually take about 40 minutes. > > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> It might take 1.5 hours, but Oh what a beautiful drive through the >> Santa Cruz mountains it is. >> >> Philip Brown wrote: >> >>>On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:02:33PM -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I have reserved a vehicle, but I'm happy to cancel and carpool as well. >>>> >>>>I'm arriving in SJC at 6:10 PM on Friday. >>>>I'm leaving SJC at 7:25 PM Sunday. >>>> >>>>Not sure what the drive times are like from Santa Cruz to San Jose, but >>>>it *looks* reasonably short on the map.... >>>> >>>> >>> >>>BAH_HAHAHAHAHHA.... >>> >>> >>>The drive on friday afternoon/evening is miserable, far as I remember. >>> >>>Mind you, it's been over 10 years since I did it regularly... >>> >>>I think you basically have to start out before 3:30, or after 7pm. >>> >>>which it looks like you might be doing anyway, i suppose. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>opensolaris-summit mailing list >>>opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >>>http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >>> >>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>opensolaris-summit mailing list >>opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >>http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >opensolaris-summit mailing list >opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > > From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 18:49:09 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:49:09 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470ADD72.4040503@Sun.COM> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> <20071008154510.O3317@bolthole.com> <470AC136.6000108@sun.com> <470AC1A4.4060109@sun.com> <470ADD72.4040503@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <470ADE15.1070706@sun.com> A little positivity never hurt :) Darren Reed wrote: > Afternoon/evening on a Sunday from Santa Cruz to San Jose can be > like driving on 101 during peek hour, except that the curves in the > road make it just that little bit more dangerous - everyone is going > home from their weekend (or day) trip to the coast to relax for a while. > > Or in other words, in the last 10 years, not much has changed here :) > > And it would be a more beautiful drive if you didn't spend so much > time staring at the back of someone else's car :-P > > Jesse Silver wrote: > > >> To follow up, with no traffic, the drive from the San Jose Airport >> would usually take about 40 minutes. >> >> Jesse Silver wrote: >> >> >>> It might take 1.5 hours, but Oh what a beautiful drive through the >>> Santa Cruz mountains it is. >>> >>> Philip Brown wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:02:33PM -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I have reserved a vehicle, but I'm happy to cancel and carpool as well. >>>>> >>>>> I'm arriving in SJC at 6:10 PM on Friday. >>>>> I'm leaving SJC at 7:25 PM Sunday. >>>>> >>>>> Not sure what the drive times are like from Santa Cruz to San Jose, but >>>>> it *looks* reasonably short on the map.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> BAH_HAHAHAHAHHA.... >>>> >>>> >>>> The drive on friday afternoon/evening is miserable, far as I remember. >>>> >>>> Mind you, it's been over 10 years since I did it regularly... >>>> >>>> I think you basically have to start out before 3:30, or after 7pm. >>>> >>>> which it looks like you might be doing anyway, i suppose. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> opensolaris-summit mailing list >>>> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-summit mailing list >>> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 18:54:13 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:54:13 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] REMINDER: Planning meeting Tuesday October 9 Message-ID: <470ADF45.2030404@sun.com> 8 am and 3 pm PT (866)230-6968 Int'l Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (865)544-7856 ACCESS CODE: 2192132 AGENDA: - finalize schedule - review last minute details - rides - round table Send in your own agenda items. Talk to you tomorrow. Jesse and Sara From anil.verve at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 19:27:30 2007 From: anil.verve at gmail.com (Anil Gulecha) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 07:57:30 +0530 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470ADC23.9010201@Sun.COM> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> <470ADC23.9010201@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <148d59250710081927t124d8f1axffb2c5af52997fd@mail.gmail.com> Nope, I dont drive yet :( By recommended way I meant Cab/Public transport/etc/. I'll be pretty tired after the 24hour journey. Anil On 10/9/07, Darren Reed wrote: > Anil Gulecha wrote: > > >Also, > > > >There are a few of us coming in from SFO. Anyone pooling from there? > >What are the recommended ways to get to the Coast Santa Cruz from SFO. > > > > > > If you were driving yourself, 380, 280, 17. > > If you're not in a rush and during daylight, take 380, 280, 92, 35, 9. > *That* is a nice drive (but add time as you won't be crusing down 35 > or 9 at more than 45-50, compared to 280 which flows much faster.) > > Darren > > From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 19:29:42 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:29:42 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <148d59250710081927t124d8f1axffb2c5af52997fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> <470ADC23.9010201@Sun.COM> <148d59250710081927t124d8f1axffb2c5af52997fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470AE796.3020607@sun.com> We're working on a solution Anil. Can't promise anything, but we're trying. -J Anil Gulecha wrote: > Nope, I dont drive yet :( > > By recommended way I meant Cab/Public transport/etc/. I'll be pretty > tired after the 24hour journey. > > Anil > > On 10/9/07, Darren Reed wrote: > >> Anil Gulecha wrote: >> >> >>> Also, >>> >>> There are a few of us coming in from SFO. Anyone pooling from there? >>> What are the recommended ways to get to the Coast Santa Cruz from SFO. >>> >>> >>> >> If you were driving yourself, 380, 280, 17. >> >> If you're not in a rush and during daylight, take 380, 280, 92, 35, 9. >> *That* is a nice drive (but add time as you won't be crusing down 35 >> or 9 at more than 45-50, compared to 280 which flows much faster.) >> >> Darren >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 19:43:06 2007 From: Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM (Stuart Kreitman) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:43:06 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470ADC23.9010201@Sun.COM> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> <470ADC23.9010201@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <470AEABA.4020409@sun.com> Out of towners, please follow Darren's advice with Extreme Caution. the 92, 35, 9 part are most suited to bicyclists and motorcycle kamikaze's (I was both until my wife made the ultimatum, now I'm only a bicycle freak) These are twisty 1 lane country roads that will test your skill and stamina. Did I say twisty? TWISTY! If they rented Ducatis at the airport, then I'd say go for it. Seriously, the no-brainer but high traffic route from SFO is: 101South->17 south. An alternative to cut thru the valley faster is 380, 280S,85S, 17S. Just use maps.google.com and study up. Santa Cruz is small but not tiny. Stuart K Darren Reed wrote: > Anil Gulecha wrote: > > >> Also, >> >> There are a few of us coming in from SFO. Anyone pooling from there? >> What are the recommended ways to get to the Coast Santa Cruz from SFO. >> >> >> > > If you were driving yourself, 380, 280, 17. > > If you're not in a rush and during daylight, take 380, 280, 92, 35, 9. > *That* is a nice drive (but add time as you won't be crusing down 35 > or 9 at more than 45-50, compared to 280 which flows much faster.) > > Darren > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 19:44:55 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:44:55 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AEABA.4020409@sun.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> <470ADC23.9010201@Sun.COM> <470AEABA.4020409@sun.com> Message-ID: <470AEB27.7090205@sun.com> I agree with Stuart- Do not drive on the 9! Sorry it's taking so long, but a welcome email and PDF with directions is coming tonight. It's taking longer than expected, but it is coming, I can assure you. Stuart Kreitman wrote: > Out of towners, please follow Darren's advice with Extreme Caution. the > 92, 35, 9 part are most suited > to bicyclists and motorcycle kamikaze's (I was both until my wife made > the ultimatum, now I'm only a bicycle freak) > These are twisty 1 lane country roads that will test your skill and > stamina. Did I say twisty? TWISTY! > If they rented Ducatis at the airport, then I'd say go for it. > > Seriously, the no-brainer but high traffic route from SFO is: > 101South->17 south. > An alternative to cut thru the valley faster is 380, 280S,85S, 17S. > Just use maps.google.com and study up. Santa Cruz is small but not tiny. > > > Stuart K > > > > Darren Reed wrote: > >> Anil Gulecha wrote: >> >> >> >>> Also, >>> >>> There are a few of us coming in from SFO. Anyone pooling from there? >>> What are the recommended ways to get to the Coast Santa Cruz from SFO. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> If you were driving yourself, 380, 280, 17. >> >> If you're not in a rush and during daylight, take 380, 280, 92, 35, 9. >> *That* is a nice drive (but add time as you won't be crusing down 35 >> or 9 at more than 45-50, compared to 280 which flows much faster.) >> >> Darren >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdamore at sun.com Mon Oct 8 19:47:06 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:47:06 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AB9FE.4070701@cuddletech.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> <470AB9FE.4070701@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <470AEBAA.4070703@sun.com> I've sent you my travel info, out of band. Thanks, Ben! -- Garrett Ben Rockwood wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> I have reserved a vehicle, but I'm happy to cancel and carpool as well. >> >> I'm arriving in SJC at 6:10 PM on Friday. >> I'm leaving SJC at 7:25 PM Sunday. >> >> Not sure what the drive times are like from Santa Cruz to San Jose, >> but it *looks* reasonably short on the map.... my biggest concerns >> with having my own vehicle were making sure that I had a guaranteed >> ride back to the airport coming home. >> >> As long as someone else can help me with that, I'd rather *not* rent a >> car. (Although, to be fair, its at Sun's expense, not my own.) >> > > Rush hour drive from San Jose to Santa Cruz sucks, but I'd love to have > some quality time to get to know you better Garrett! I'll be happy to > pick you up at 6:10pm, just email me your flight info so I can meet you > at the gate and be apprised of any unforeseen delays in your flight. > > benr. > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Darren.Reed at Sun.COM Mon Oct 8 19:54:27 2007 From: Darren.Reed at Sun.COM (Darren Reed) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:54:27 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AEABA.4020409@sun.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <148d59250710081824p6f75f4d0h58be9d52fc84a534@mail.gmail.com> <470ADC23.9010201@Sun.COM> <470AEABA.4020409@sun.com> Message-ID: <470AED63.9020105@Sun.COM> Stuart Kreitman wrote: > Out of towners, please follow Darren's advice with Extreme Caution. > the 92, 35, 9 part are most suited > to bicyclists and motorcycle kamikaze's (I was both until my wife made > the ultimatum, now I'm only a bicycle freak) > These are twisty 1 lane country roads that will test your skill and > stamina. Did I say twisty? TWISTY! > If they rented Ducatis at the airport, then I'd say go for it. I did say if they're not in a rush :) And the view is much much nicer than from 101/280/17/85, but everything comes at a cost. Come to think of it, I haven't driven to Santa Cruz down 17 (during daylight) for some years now as i'm never in a hurry to get there. The problem with the bicyclists is when they decide they can use either lane and go around a corner doing so...are you a bicyclist trying to discourage cars from interrupting your cycle ? ;) > Seriously, the no-brainer but high traffic route from SFO is: > 101South->17 south. ewwww, 101 > An alternative to cut thru the valley faster is 380, 280S,85S, 17S. I think that will be the fastest and is much less boring than 101. Darren From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Oct 9 05:28:29 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:28:29 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AB9FE.4070701@cuddletech.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> <470AB9FE.4070701@cuddletech.com> Message-ID: <470b73ed.b2pYsCt8SNQJX9CE%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Ben Rockwood wrote: > > As long as someone else can help me with that, I'd rather *not* rent a > > car. (Although, to be fair, its at Sun's expense, not my own.) > > Rush hour drive from San Jose to Santa Cruz sucks, but I'd love to have > some quality time to get to know you better Garrett! I'll be happy to > pick you up at 6:10pm, just email me your flight info so I can meet you > at the gate and be apprised of any unforeseen delays in your flight. I am ariving at 6:40 PM on Friday in SF airport. I still do not have a ride. Does this mean I need to rent a car? J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Oct 9 05:32:01 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:32:01 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470AC1A4.4060109@sun.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> <20071008154510.O3317@bolthole.com> <470AC136.6000108@sun.com> <470AC1A4.4060109@sun.com> Message-ID: <470b74c1.jGj5Xm6syMREOdjd%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Jesse Silver wrote: > To follow up, with no traffic, the drive from the San Jose Airport would > usually take about 40 minutes. Just to make it sure: San Jose Airport to Santa Cruz is 40 minutes? How long does it take from SF Airport? J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From alvaro at sun.com Tue Oct 9 05:41:24 2007 From: alvaro at sun.com (Alvaro Lopez Ortega) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:41:24 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <470b74c1.jGj5Xm6syMREOdjd%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> <470A9E2B.7020705@sun.com> <470AA493.4000403@cuddletech.com> <470AA8F9.4020609@sun.com> <20071008154510.O3317@bolthole.com> <470AC136.6000108@sun.com> <470AC1A4.4060109@sun.com> <470b74c1.jGj5Xm6syMREOdjd%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <470B76F4.8020407@sun.com> Joerg Schilling wrote, On 09/10/2007 14:32: > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> To follow up, with no traffic, the drive from the San Jose Airport would >> usually take about 40 minutes. > > Just to make it sure: San Jose Airport to Santa Cruz is 40 minutes? > How long does it take from SF Airport? It would be around 1h 15min (? 100Km). -- Greetings, alo. From swalker at opensolaris.org Tue Oct 9 06:06:35 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:06:35 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Ride from Airport? In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710081216s3038da9bh880de04e7ef4a784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 08/10/2007, Brandorr wrote: > On the wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Summit > > I put my name on the needs transportation table. It appears someone > has put "Transportation Secured" as yes for me. Who is this benevolent > soul? I thought you or someone else had mentioned they were picking you up on a conference call, so when I initially added the column I marked you as "yes" -- sorry if that isn't the case. -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Oct 9 06:15:54 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:15:54 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> David Clack wrote: > Me also, I'd like on on usb driver porting if someone is willing ? Some information about the general USB driver structure would be great. Also some hints on how to connect mobile phones that do not identify as being serial line emulations. I guess that most of them do, so it is only a matter of a few tricks to get them running. J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From gdamore at sun.com Tue Oct 9 08:12:31 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:12:31 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <470B9A5F.6060201@sun.com> Joerg Schilling wrote: > David Clack wrote: > > >> Me also, I'd like on on usb driver porting if someone is willing ? >> > > Some information about the general USB driver structure would be great. > > Also some hints on how to connect mobile phones that do not identify > as being serial line emulations. I guess that most of them do, so it is > only a matter of a few tricks to get them running. > > > > J?rg > > I've not worked with the kernel USB driver framework much in Solaris. (I have played with libusb, however.) If someone knows more here and can present/guide that would be awesome. -- Garrett From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Oct 9 08:24:11 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:24:11 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470B9A5F.6060201@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <470B9A5F.6060201@sun.com> Message-ID: <470b9d1b.9JNwExoq0/UiW5dH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> "Garrett D'Amore" wrote: > > Some information about the general USB driver structure would be great. > > > > Also some hints on how to connect mobile phones that do not identify > > as being serial line emulations. I guess that most of them do, so it is > > only a matter of a few tricks to get them running. > I've not worked with the kernel USB driver framework much in Solaris. > (I have played with libusb, however.) If someone knows more here and > can present/guide that would be awesome. > For this kind of problems, I did asume that libusb should do trick. It would be nice if somebody who is talking about USB could give an overview even for libusb. J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From gdamore at sun.com Tue Oct 9 08:28:47 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:28:47 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470b9d1b.9JNwExoq0/UiW5dH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <470B9A5F.6060201@sun.com> <470b9d1b.9JNwExoq0/UiW5dH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <470B9E2F.5000909@sun.com> Joerg Schilling wrote: > "Garrett D'Amore" wrote: > > >>> Some information about the general USB driver structure would be great. >>> >>> Also some hints on how to connect mobile phones that do not identify >>> as being serial line emulations. I guess that most of them do, so it is >>> only a matter of a few tricks to get them running. >>> > > >> I've not worked with the kernel USB driver framework much in Solaris. >> (I have played with libusb, however.) If someone knows more here and >> can present/guide that would be awesome. >> >> > > For this kind of problems, I did asume that libusb should do trick. > > It would be nice if somebody who is talking about USB could give an overview > even for libusb. > > J?rg > > I'd be happy to talk about libusb. Unfortunately (or not), I know a bit more about than most typical consumers. (Primarily because I tried to make it do things which it was not intended to do.) Another unconference topic. -- Garrett From David.Clack at Sun.COM Tue Oct 9 09:02:17 2007 From: David.Clack at Sun.COM (David Clack) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:02:17 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470B9E2F.5000909@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <470B9A5F.6060201@sun.com> <470b9d1b.9JNwExoq0/UiW5dH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <470B9E2F.5000909@sun.com> Message-ID: <1191945737.4860.23.camel@localhost> I have one of these wifi analyzers http://www.metageek.net/ The GUI ports fine, I just cannot get going on the USB driver. I'd love to see a walk through of how to start porting code. Dave On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 08:28 -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > "Garrett D'Amore" wrote: > > > > > >>> Some information about the general USB driver structure would be great. > >>> > >>> Also some hints on how to connect mobile phones that do not identify > >>> as being serial line emulations. I guess that most of them do, so it is > >>> only a matter of a few tricks to get them running. > >>> > > > > > >> I've not worked with the kernel USB driver framework much in Solaris. > >> (I have played with libusb, however.) If someone knows more here and > >> can present/guide that would be awesome. > >> > >> > > > > For this kind of problems, I did asume that libusb should do trick. > > > > It would be nice if somebody who is talking about USB could give an overview > > even for libusb. > > > > J?rg > > > > > > I'd be happy to talk about libusb. Unfortunately (or not), I know a bit > more about than most typical consumers. (Primarily because I tried to > make it do things which it was not intended to do.) Another > unconference topic. > > -- Garrett > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit David Clack Solaris X86 Evangelist Senior Systems Engineer OEM Software Sales Sun Microsystems 642, Chinook Ave SE, Ocean Shores, WA, USA, 98569 Phone +1-360-289-2158 Fax +1-360-289-2091 Mobile +1-206-265-1904 Email David.Clack at Sun.COM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdamore at sun.com Tue Oct 9 09:11:07 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:11:07 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <1191945737.4860.23.camel@localhost> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <470B9A5F.6060201@sun.com> <470b9d1b.9JNwExoq0/UiW5dH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <470B9E2F.5000909@sun.com> <1191945737.4860.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <470BA81B.5090302@sun.com> I don't know about porting from Windows (or MacOS X), but from Linux, the libusb interfaces are compatible for *most* purposes. It should be a relative slam dunk to make a Linux driver work. -- Garrett David Clack wrote: > I have one of these wifi analyzers http://www.metageek.net/ > > The GUI ports fine, I just cannot get going on the USB driver. > > I'd love to see a walk through of how to start porting code. > > Dave > > On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 08:28 -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> Joerg Schilling wrote: >> > "Garrett D'Amore" > wrote: >> > >> > >> >>> Some information about the general USB driver structure would be great. >> >>> >> >>> Also some hints on how to connect mobile phones that do not identify >> >>> as being serial line emulations. I guess that most of them do, so it is >> >>> only a matter of a few tricks to get them running. >> >>> >> > >> > >> >> I've not worked with the kernel USB driver framework much in Solaris. >> >> (I have played with libusb, however.) If someone knows more here and >> >> can present/guide that would be awesome. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > For this kind of problems, I did asume that libusb should do trick. >> > >> > It would be nice if somebody who is talking about USB could give an overview >> > even for libusb. >> > >> > J?rg >> > >> > >> >> I'd be happy to talk about libusb. Unfortunately (or not), I know a bit >> more about than most typical consumers. (Primarily because I tried to >> make it do things which it was not intended to do.) Another >> unconference topic. >> >> -- Garrett >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> > > > > > > > > *David Clack* > > *Solaris X86 Evangelist* > *Senior Systems Engineer * > *OEM Software Sales* > *Sun Microsystems* > *642, Chinook Ave SE, Ocean Shores, WA, USA, 98569* > Phone +1-360-289-2158 > Fax +1-360-289-2091 > Mobile +1-206-265-1904 > Email David.Clack at Sun.COM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Tue Oct 9 16:42:32 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:42:32 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Fill in your Bio's! Message-ID: <470C11E8.3040405@sun.com> Hi all- Please take a moment to go and fill in your bio on the Summit Wiki . We will distribute a packet when everyone arrives on Saturday and you don't want to get left out! Thanks, Jesse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Tue Oct 9 16:45:05 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:45:05 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements Message-ID: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> Our menus for the Summit take care to accommodate omnivores, vegetarians and vegans. However, if you have other specific dietary requirements, please let me know. I will send you our menus and we can decide whether to order special food. Thanks, Jesse From dougs at truemail.co.th Wed Oct 10 08:40:23 2007 From: dougs at truemail.co.th (Doug Scott) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:40:23 +0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <470CF267.8050601@truemail.co.th> Joerg Schilling wrote: > David Clack wrote: > > >> Me also, I'd like on on usb driver porting if someone is willing ? >> > > Some information about the general USB driver structure would be great. > > Also some hints on how to connect mobile phones that do not identify > as being serial line emulations. I guess that most of them do, so it is > only a matter of a few tricks to get them running. > > J?rg, To get all the information the kernel knows about a usb device use '::prtusb -tv' in mdb. I have 'some' knowledge of how USB devices work under Solaris. I do not mind discussing what I know with you or anybody else at the summit. Doug From Garrett.Damore at Sun.COM Wed Oct 10 08:43:14 2007 From: Garrett.Damore at Sun.COM (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:43:14 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470CF267.8050601@truemail.co.th> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <470CF267.8050601@truemail.co.th> Message-ID: <470CF312.4080103@sun.com> Would a shared session spent debugging the wispy (making it work under Solaris) be a nice way to introduce folks to the userland libusb framework? libusb is really nice in that you can get your feet wet with a device driver, without having to tackle the full problem of making it work in the kernel. Life in userland is *vastly* simpler. -- Garrett Doug Scott wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: >> David Clack wrote: >> >> >>> Me also, I'd like on on usb driver porting if someone is willing ? >>> >> >> Some information about the general USB driver structure would be great. >> >> Also some hints on how to connect mobile phones that do not identify >> as being serial line emulations. I guess that most of them do, so it is >> only a matter of a few tricks to get them running. >> >> > J?rg, > To get all the information the kernel knows about a usb device use > '::prtusb -tv' in mdb. I have 'some' knowledge of how USB devices work > under Solaris. I do not mind discussing what I know with you or > anybody else at the summit. > > Doug From trisk+opensolaris at acm.jhu.edu Wed Oct 10 09:43:26 2007 From: trisk+opensolaris at acm.jhu.edu (Albert Lee) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:43:26 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: <470CF312.4080103@sun.com> References: <470428D8.50308@sun.com> <241540330710031818o354d0721sf98164c3d634ee2@mail.gmail.com> <4704f6df.wG5iybkVIVheczyY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <241540330710040823r4f80375eq4584f46bf5b25afb@mail.gmail.com> <4705096D.3030700@sun.com> <470521E9.7030908@sun.com> <241540330710041042r1e868fbeg7d86d70d9456b3cd@mail.gmail.com> <47052BF4.1000103@sun.com> <148d59250710041737g69af72e2w7b4f423d10e2a77@mail.gmail.com> <1191544834.3091.0.camel@localhost> <470b7f0a.AS3VhUzeTwIvTvT1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <470CF267.8050601@truemail.co.th> <470CF312.4080103@sun.com> Message-ID: <1192034606.1338.8.camel@localhost> On ???, 2007-10-10 at 08:43 -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Would a shared session spent debugging the wispy (making it work under > Solaris) be a nice way to introduce folks to the userland libusb framework? > > libusb is really nice in that you can get your feet wet with a device > driver, without having to tackle the full problem of making it work in > the kernel. Life in userland is *vastly* simpler. > I think this is a great idea for an intro, since the actual work required for the libusb part of the program should be trivial. -Albert From bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de Wed Oct 10 18:46:44 2007 From: bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de (Martin Bochnig) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:46:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements In-Reply-To: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > Our menus for the Summit take care to accommodate omnivores, vegetarians > and vegans. However, if you have other specific dietary requirements, > please let me know. I will send you our menus and we can decide whether > to order special food. > > Thanks, > Jesse Hi Jesse, that sounds great :-) Because I'm also a vegetarian. Sorry, one important question, how would I have been expected to pick up my LuftHansa ticket? Directly from AMEX? Or at the airport? Still nothing in the mail. Thanks, %martin p.s. Tadpole: As nobody responded, nor showed interest, I may let it here at home, to save some weight. From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Wed Oct 10 19:02:07 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:02:07 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> Message-ID: <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> Martin Bochnig wrote: > On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > > Our menus for the Summit take care to accommodate omnivores, vegetarians > > and vegans. However, if you have other specific dietary requirements, > > please let me know. I will send you our menus and we can decide whether > > to order special food. > > that sounds great :-) > Because I'm also a vegetarian. > > Sorry, one important question, how would I have been expected to pick up > my LuftHansa ticket? Directly from AMEX? Or at the airport? > Still nothing in the mail. I'm having the same problem... the current theory is to walk to the Lufthansa counter and get the ticket there... > p.s. Tadpole: As nobody responded, nor showed interest, I may let it here > at home, to save some weight. Erm... in theory I'm interested... but it's not manadatory since we have both SPARC+x86 workstations and a SPARC server at the conference... ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Wed Oct 10 19:03:01 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:03:01 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Fill in your Bio's! References: <470C11E8.3040405@sun.com> Message-ID: <470D8455.C69F0BBC@nrubsig.org> Jesse Silver wrote: > Please take a moment to go and fill in your bio on the Summit Wiki. We > will distribute a packet when everyone arrives on Saturday and you > don't want to get left out! Erm... what information do you need for the "packet" ? ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de Wed Oct 10 19:12:34 2007 From: bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de (Martin Bochnig) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:12:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements In-Reply-To: <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Roland Mainz wrote: > I'm having the same problem... the current theory is to walk to the > Lufthansa counter and get the ticket there... Thanks for your quick response, aha. Let's see ... I hope those employees share that theory ;-) >> p.s. Tadpole: As nobody responded, nor showed interest, I may let it here >> at home, to save some weight. > > Erm... in theory I'm interested... but it's not manadatory since we have > both SPARC+x86 workstations and a SPARC server at the conference... I would be glad to lend it to you for as long as you need it for your presentation / talk session. But be warned: It is slow as a Blade 100. Yet a speed bump over the U5 333MHz_2MB 256MB ... Also, let us finally get you a reasonable development machine. I have no money (just got a bill from police over EUR350, my car ...), but I still donate EUR 20 hereby, from some account. Plus I can do the work to get a *working* one from eBay and have it sent to you. I have also a half-sealed 2GB 4x512MB x7051a kit laying here ... So if the rich folks cannot help you, I will. -- Regards, %martin > > ---- > > Bye, > Roland > > -- > __ . . __ > (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org > \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer > /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 > (;O/ \/ \O;) > > From bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de Wed Oct 10 19:23:22 2007 From: bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de (Martin Bochnig) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:23:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements In-Reply-To: References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: Roland, dammit: Currently only very few SB1000's on ebay.de, resulting in more than twice the prices, when compared to a month ago. One has to wait for the right moment. This one is horrifically overpriced: http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=sun+blade+1000&category0= http://cgi.ebay.de/Sun-Blade-1000-UltraSPARC-III-750-MHz-RAM-1GB-HD-36GB_W0QQitemZ260168879638QQihZ016QQcategoryZ22462QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem A few weeks ago you would have obtained it for EUR 120,- -- %martin From alan.coopersmith at sun.com Wed Oct 10 19:27:19 2007 From: alan.coopersmith at sun.com (Alan Coopersmith) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:27:19 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements In-Reply-To: References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470D8A07.7010600@sun.com> Martin Bochnig wrote: > Also, let us finally get you a reasonable development machine. > I have no money (just got a bill from police over EUR350, my car ...), but > I still donate EUR 20 hereby, from some account. Plus I can do the work > to get a *working* one from eBay and have it sent to you. > I have also a half-sealed 2GB 4x512MB x7051a kit laying here ... > So if the rich folks cannot help you, I will. I've told Roland before he can have one of our spare SunBlade 2500's if he just moves to the US (8-), so I don't violate the EU RoHS rules by shipping it to him - the same would go for you too. Unfortunately, I don't have any spares of newer machines that are RoHS-compliant. Maybe we can find someone at the the summit who can hook you and/or Roland up with modern hardware. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From swalker at opensolaris.org Wed Oct 10 19:40:43 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:40:43 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Fill in your Bio's! In-Reply-To: <470D8455.C69F0BBC@nrubsig.org> References: <470C11E8.3040405@sun.com> <470D8455.C69F0BBC@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: On 10/10/2007, Roland Mainz wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: > > Please take a moment to go and fill in your bio on the Summit Wiki. We > > will distribute a packet when everyone arrives on Saturday and you > > don't want to get left out! > > Erm... what information do you need for the "packet" ? Just put a short description of yourself and what you do on the wiki page under Pen Portraits :) -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Wed Oct 10 20:01:14 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:01:14 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Machines, machines and an opensolaris.org build farm... / was: Re: Dietary Requirements References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> <470D8A07.7010600@sun.com> Message-ID: <470D91FA.4EDC9D04@nrubsig.org> Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Martin Bochnig wrote: > > Also, let us finally get you a reasonable development machine. > > I have no money (just got a bill from police over EUR350, my car ...), but > > I still donate EUR 20 hereby, from some account. Plus I can do the work > > to get a *working* one from eBay and have it sent to you. > > I have also a half-sealed 2GB 4x512MB x7051a kit laying here ... > > So if the rich folks cannot help you, I will. > > I've told Roland before he can have one of our spare SunBlade 2500's if he > just moves to the US (8-), so I don't violate the EU RoHS rules by shipping > it to him - the same would go for you too. Unfortunately, I don't have any > spares of newer machines that are RoHS-compliant. Erm... what about wrapping it in 500 sheets of paper and declare it as "luggage" ? > Maybe we can find someone > at the the summit who can hook you and/or Roland up with modern hardware. Yes, please lez us discuss this item at the summit... IMO there is a general need for infratructure which all people should be able to use (similar to a mixture of what I originally proposed for this summit and what currently runs as prototype build farm at logical-approach ... and "yes"... I'm a bit fed-up with this topic since it is one of the major items which prevents people from doing contributions to opensolaris.org) ... ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From roland.mainz at nrubsig.org Wed Oct 10 20:02:31 2007 From: roland.mainz at nrubsig.org (Roland Mainz) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:02:31 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470D9247.91AED914@nrubsig.org> Martin Bochnig wrote: > > Roland, dammit: Currently only very few SB1000's on ebay.de, resulting in > more than twice the prices, when compared to a month ago. > One has to wait for the right moment. > > This one is horrifically overpriced: > http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=sun+blade+1000&category0= > http://cgi.ebay.de/Sun-Blade-1000-UltraSPARC-III-750-MHz-RAM-1GB-HD-36GB_W0QQitemZ260168879638QQihZ016QQcategoryZ22462QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem > > A few weeks ago you would have obtained it for EUR 120,- Groan (well, even the 120 Euro would be a strain for me right now... ;-( ) ... ;-( ... let's forward the issue to the summit, Ok ? ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 10 23:55:56 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:55:56 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements In-Reply-To: <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470DC8FC.1080306@sun.com> I would say bring the print out of the ticket you have to the airport...that should do it. If there are any problems, there is a phone number for AMEX travel on the invoice. Roland Mainz wrote: > Martin Bochnig wrote: > >> On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: >> >>> Our menus for the Summit take care to accommodate omnivores, vegetarians >>> and vegans. However, if you have other specific dietary requirements, >>> please let me know. I will send you our menus and we can decide whether >>> to order special food. >>> >> that sounds great :-) >> Because I'm also a vegetarian. >> >> Sorry, one important question, how would I have been expected to pick up >> my LuftHansa ticket? Directly from AMEX? Or at the airport? >> Still nothing in the mail. >> > > I'm having the same problem... the current theory is to walk to the > Lufthansa counter and get the ticket there... > > >> p.s. Tadpole: As nobody responded, nor showed interest, I may let it here >> at home, to save some weight. >> > > Erm... in theory I'm interested... but it's not manadatory since we have > both SPARC+x86 workstations and a SPARC server at the conference... > > ---- > > Bye, > Roland > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de Thu Oct 11 06:29:08 2007 From: bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de (Martin Bochnig) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:29:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements In-Reply-To: <470DC8FC.1080306@sun.com> References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> <470DC8FC.1080306@sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: > I would say bring the print out of the ticket you have to the airport...that > should do it. If there are any problems, there is a phone number for AMEX > travel on the invoice. thanks, sorry for my naive question. the last time i had travelled by airoplane had been in 1991. M From bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de Thu Oct 11 06:33:24 2007 From: bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de (Martin Bochnig) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:33:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements In-Reply-To: <470D8A07.7010600@sun.com> References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> <470D8A07.7010600@sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Martin Bochnig wrote: >> Also, let us finally get you a reasonable development machine. >> I have no money (just got a bill from police over EUR350, my car ...), but >> I still donate EUR 20 hereby, from some account. Plus I can do the work >> to get a *working* one from eBay and have it sent to you. >> I have also a half-sealed 2GB 4x512MB x7051a kit laying here ... >> So if the rich folks cannot help you, I will. > > I've told Roland before he can have one of our spare SunBlade 2500's if he > just moves to the US (8-), so I don't violate the EU RoHS rules by shipping > it to him - the same would go for you too. Unfortunately, I don't have any > spares of newer machines that are RoHS-compliant. Maybe we can find someone > at the the summit who can hook you and/or Roland up with modern hardware. > > -- > -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com > Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering Hello Alan, dear X11 group, thanks for your gentle offer, that's great for Roland. But I cannot accept your offer, as I already do have a fast build machine(SB2000). Please give the 2nd box to someone who needs it more urgently, than I do. Except: I would like to have it for a limited time to get Xorg's sparcPci.c working on it ... Thanks -- regards, %martin From bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de Thu Oct 11 06:57:20 2007 From: bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de (Martin Bochnig) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:57:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware Message-ID: On 10/04/07 16:44 Stuart Kreitman wrote: > Martin: > > Let's figure out what machine(s) to allocate and setup out of our own lab at Sun. > Again, I petition you for your travel plans so that I can help on this side of the world. > > Stuart Kreitman > > Martin Bochnig wrote: > Hey, > > I will most probably take my (slow) 500MHz US-IIe SPARCle-500SX laptop with me (512MB, 20GB, LAN, WiFi, VGA, 15", CD, but no DVD). > In order to demo fox-gate__on__SPARC (in a smaller circle, not a speech). Hello Mr. Kreitman, I just discovered your message ... Thank you for your kind/gentle offer to help me(!). Is it still valid? I could send you my flight plans if you like. Martin Bochnig p.s. Inintially I had intended to rent a car(and to offer the remaining seats to anyone interested), but let's better forget this ... I would like to apologize to Joerg Schilling to whom I had previously promised to pick him up. I may buy a bottle of Cola, but renting a car ... No clue what I'm going to do with all my time in SFO (I arrive very early [Friday 11:30AM] and will leave late [Monday 7PM]), or I i may travel to Santa Cruz, and back. Plus the whole summit prevents me from continuing to work on FOX. Plus I couldn't learn any non-Xorg stuff as preparation for the summit. Had I only had more time, money or both. In the current scenario it is not what I had hoped to have finished. So anybody: Please don't ask me anything ;-) From bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de Thu Oct 11 07:04:22 2007 From: bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de (Martin Bochnig) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:04:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements (fwd) Message-ID: --->> It seems this message never arrived ?? Second attempt to post it (sorry for the redundance, if you did get it). <<--- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:33:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Bochnig To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: Roland Mainz , Jesse Silver , opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Martin Bochnig wrote: >> Also, let us finally get you a reasonable development machine. >> I have no money (just got a bill from police over EUR350, my car ...), but >> I still donate EUR 20 hereby, from some account. Plus I can do the work >> to get a *working* one from eBay and have it sent to you. >> I have also a half-sealed 2GB 4x512MB x7051a kit laying here ... >> So if the rich folks cannot help you, I will. > > I've told Roland before he can have one of our spare SunBlade 2500's if he > just moves to the US (8-), so I don't violate the EU RoHS rules by shipping > it to him - the same would go for you too. Unfortunately, I don't have any > spares of newer machines that are RoHS-compliant. Maybe we can find someone > at the the summit who can hook you and/or Roland up with modern hardware. > > -- > -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com > Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering Hello Alan, dear X11 group, thanks for your gentle offer, that's great for Roland. But I cannot accept your offer, as I already do have a fast build machine(SB2000). Please give the 2nd box to someone who needs it more urgently, than I do. Except: I would like to have it for a limited time to get Xorg's sparcPci.c working on it ... Thanks -- regards, %martin From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Oct 11 07:08:54 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:08:54 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470e2e76.5ABH894x+8fZQzOY%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Martin Bochnig wrote: > promised to pick him up. > I may buy a bottle of Cola, but renting a car ... > No clue what I'm going to do with all my time in SFO (I arrive very early > [Friday 11:30AM] and will leave late [Monday 7PM]), or I i may travel to > Santa Cruz, and back. If you do not have a car, I just booked one and I will get the car on Friday 19:30 - Monday 19:30 If someone needs a lift, it is a 2 door economy car. J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de Thu Oct 11 07:54:11 2007 From: bochnig at pool.math.tu-berlin.de (Martin Bochnig) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:54:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] (no subject) Message-ID: Stuart Kreitman wrote: > Roland, Martin: > > You two need to contact LuftHansa directly and ask them these questions about your flight. > Ask them if you are electronically ticketed, then you only need valid ID. > > We're assuming you have valid passports, even if you haven't flown in a while. > > Stuart > > Stuart, okay, thank you. I will instantly call LH's hotline. My passport is just 12 months old, I have verified whether or not it is new enough (it looks, like it is). It is not yet the most recent model, which came out only three weeks after I had received my passport. Had I only known before, but nobody at the office had been able to tell me anything specific back then. No, but it looks like it will work. There is a questionable rule here in Germany: If a German (or EUropean?) passport has been handed out *before 20061026*, then it does not need to feature a RFID chip. If it is dated after 20061026, then it must have one. What a nonsense: My passport is dated 20061004 and one could not even get one with RFID at that date, nor any precise information. (this info is shared with you, the list, in the hope, that it might be useful to the other EUropean attendees) If someone has an "outdated" passport, then she/he may still travel to the U.S., but is required to obtain a VISA long before ... Regards, Martin From gdamore at sun.com Thu Oct 11 08:05:06 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:05:06 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements In-Reply-To: <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470E3BA2.5050205@sun.com> Roland Mainz wrote: > Martin Bochnig wrote: > >> On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Jesse Silver wrote: >> >>> Our menus for the Summit take care to accommodate omnivores, vegetarians >>> and vegans. However, if you have other specific dietary requirements, >>> please let me know. I will send you our menus and we can decide whether >>> to order special food. >>> >> that sounds great :-) >> Because I'm also a vegetarian. >> >> Sorry, one important question, how would I have been expected to pick up >> my LuftHansa ticket? Directly from AMEX? Or at the airport? >> Still nothing in the mail. >> > > I'm having the same problem... the current theory is to walk to the > Lufthansa counter and get the ticket there... > > >> p.s. Tadpole: As nobody responded, nor showed interest, I may let it here >> at home, to save some weight. >> > > Erm... in theory I'm interested... but it's not manadatory since we have > both SPARC+x86 workstations and a SPARC server at the conference... > I also have a SPARCLE500 I can bring. I might even do just that, since I have some tasks to complete on it that I'd backburnered. (Mostly because they didn't fall into line with my "day job".) -- Garrett > ---- > > Bye, > Roland > > From gdamore at sun.com Thu Oct 11 08:07:34 2007 From: gdamore at sun.com (Garrett D'Amore) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:07:34 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Dietary Requirements In-Reply-To: References: <470C1281.4090901@sun.com> <470D841F.7ADB2FFE@nrubsig.org> Message-ID: <470E3C36.2060700@sun.com> Martin Bochnig wrote: > On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Roland Mainz wrote: > > >> I'm having the same problem... the current theory is to walk to the >> Lufthansa counter and get the ticket there... >> > > > Thanks for your quick response, aha. > Let's see ... > I hope those employees share that theory ;-) > > >>> p.s. Tadpole: As nobody >>> > responded, > nor showed interest, I may let it here > >>> at home, to save some weight. >>> >> Erm... in theory I'm interested... but it's not manadatory since we have >> both SPARC+x86 workstations and a SPARC server at the conference... >> > > > I would be glad to lend it to you for as long as you need it for your > presentation / talk session. > But be warned: It is slow as a Blade 100. > Yet a speed bump over the U5 333MHz_2MB 256MB ... > Also, let us finally get you a reasonable development machine. > I have no money (just got a bill from police over EUR350, my car ...), but > I still donate EUR 20 hereby, from some account. Plus I can do the work > to get a *working* one from eBay and have it sent to you. > I have also a half-sealed 2GB 4x512MB x7051a kit laying here ... > So if the rich folks cannot help you, I will. > I have a 4x440MHz USIIi based system (3RU, I think) from Tadpole that I'm happy to outright *give* to anyone who is working on OpenSolaris and can help with the shipping. Its fairly heavy, so international shipping would probably be expensive. It has a number of drives, and I think it also has 4GB RAM. -- Garrett > > -- > Regards, > %martin > > >> ---- >> >> Bye, >> Roland >> >> -- >> __ . . __ >> (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz at nrubsig.org >> \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer >> /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 >> (;O/ \/ \O;) >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From brandorr at opensolaris.org Thu Oct 11 16:07:08 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:07:08 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Do people need help setting up tomorrow? Message-ID: <5b5090780710111607y59b014q9819370168c1da79@mail.gmail.com> I am landing at 12:30pm and will be available to help. Otherwise I will either meetup with Ben, or do the campus tour with John Plocher. (I'll only do the campus tour if other people are going.) Cheers, Brian -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From brandorr at opensolaris.org Thu Oct 11 16:18:04 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:18:04 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Weather and clothing for summit? It seems it might be jacket weather. Message-ID: <5b5090780710111618k45c1ce3fgffc00f47a4f1dcb3@mail.gmail.com> http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/Santa_Cruz.html I can't find the windchill, but the mid 60's sounds cool. (Lows in the forties) -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From Jay.Cotton at Sun.COM Thu Oct 11 16:21:29 2007 From: Jay.Cotton at Sun.COM (Jay Cotton) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:21:29 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Weather and clothing for summit? It seems it might be jacket weather. In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710111618k45c1ce3fgffc00f47a4f1dcb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710111618k45c1ce3fgffc00f47a4f1dcb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470EAFF9.7030209@sun.com> Brandorr wrote: > http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/Santa_Cruz.html > > I can't find the windchill, but the mid 60's sounds cool. (Lows in the forties) > expect it to be rather cool and maybe some rain. jc From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Thu Oct 11 16:33:25 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:33:25 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT REMINDERS Message-ID: <470EB2C5.2090203@sun.com> I'm very sorry to all that the Summit Guide has not been distributed yet. It will be, finally, released tonight. In the meantime, there are a few key points that everyone needs to know: 1. BRING A JACKET. Santa Cruz is cold at night and our Saturday reception/dinner will be outside. Also, it will be raining on Friday afternoon/evening. The weather will be 70 degrees during the day, and in the 50's at night. 2. Call me anytime for any reason directly on my cell: 310-766-2006 or Sara Dornsife on her cell at: 512-297-4600. 3. On Friday evening, we will be having a hosted reception in the bar/lounge of the Coast Santa Cruz Hotel. All are invited. 4. Breakfast and Lunch will be served both Saturday and Sunday. Dinner will be served only Saturday. 5. Parking at UCSC is free. When you get to UCSC, follow the white or yellow signs marked OpenSolaris to the "core west" parking lot. 6. The Summit will take place in the Baskin Engineering 2 building. If for some reason you loose your directions or do not print the guide when it is emailed, there is an information Kiosk at the front enterance to UCSC. They will guide you to the Engineering 2 building, and the core west parking lot. 7. Come prepared for work and fun! As I think of more "must know's", I'll email them to the group. From Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Oct 11 16:51:21 2007 From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:51:21 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT REMINDERS In-Reply-To: <470EB2C5.2090203@sun.com> References: <470EB2C5.2090203@sun.com> Message-ID: <470eb6f9.xVpXjvk2o17MKVao%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Jesse Silver wrote: > I'm very sorry to all that the Summit Guide has not been distributed > yet. It will be, finally, released tonight. In the meantime, there are a > few key points that everyone needs to know: > > 1. BRING A JACKET. Santa Cruz is cold at night and our Saturday > reception/dinner will be outside. Also, it will be raining on Friday > afternoon/evening. The weather will be 70 degrees during the day, and in > the 50's at night. Shouldn't this be 21 degrees at day and 10 degrees at night? This does not look really cold unless there is much wind. J?rg -- EMail:joerg at schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J?rg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js at cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From e.hamilton at comcast.net Thu Oct 11 17:05:59 2007 From: e.hamilton at comcast.net (Eric Hamilton) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:05:59 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT REMINDERS In-Reply-To: <470eb6f9.xVpXjvk2o17MKVao%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <470EB2C5.2090203@sun.com> <470eb6f9.xVpXjvk2o17MKVao%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <470EBA67.9030507@comcast.net> Joerg Schilling wrote: > Shouldn't this be 21 degrees at day and 10 degrees at night? > Absolutely. Errrr, wait, absolutely it would be 294 in the day and 283 at night. FYI, currently at 5:00pm (17:00) local time on Thursday 10/11 (11/10) it's 63 (17) and cloudy in Santa Cruz. The forecast for Friday is for rain with a high of 64/18 and low of 48/9. The forecast for Saturday is slightly warmer and sunny. I look forward to seeing you all on Saturday. Travel safely. Eric (Hamilton) From John.Plocher at Sun.COM Thu Oct 11 17:59:58 2007 From: John.Plocher at Sun.COM (John Plocher) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:59:58 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT REMINDERS In-Reply-To: <470eb6f9.xVpXjvk2o17MKVao%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <470EB2C5.2090203@sun.com> <470eb6f9.xVpXjvk2o17MKVao%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <470EC70E.6060001@Sun.Com> Joerg Schilling wrote: > This does not look really cold unless there is much wind. Santa Cruz has a wet cold - usually foggy and/or high seacoast humidity with some sea breeze, making for cool evenings. This is wonderful when the daytime temperature in the bay area tops 100F/40C; however, this time of year it can get downright cold once the sun goes down. Although it is Santa Cruz rather than San Francisco, "the coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco" is still somewhat true, especially once the sun goes down. Not down-parka and mittens cold by any means, but not shorts and t-shirt warm either. I'll be bringing a mid weight long sleeved fall jacket, and trust to the shuttle bus to keep most of the rain off... -John P.S.: snopes.com: Claim: Mark Twain once asserted "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco." Status: False. Origins:Twain's droll comment is widely repeated to the point that you can't read a news story that makes mention of the cold of San Franciscan summers and not trip over it. It's a great quote. It's a wonderfully crafted quote. And it's a darned shame Twain never said it. From Chris.Baker at Sun.COM Thu Oct 11 20:48:59 2007 From: Chris.Baker at Sun.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:48:59 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT REMINDERS In-Reply-To: <470EB2C5.2090203@sun.com> References: <470EB2C5.2090203@sun.com> Message-ID: <470EEEAB.1070109@sun.com> Everyone should be made aware of this critical piece of "local knowledge: http://www.ucsc.edu/about/campus_mascot.asp :-) Note also the campus is large and very dark at night. C Jesse Silver wrote: > I'm very sorry to all that the Summit Guide has not been distributed > yet. It will be, finally, released tonight. In the meantime, there are a > few key points that everyone needs to know: > > 1. BRING A JACKET. Santa Cruz is cold at night and our Saturday > reception/dinner will be outside. Also, it will be raining on Friday > afternoon/evening. The weather will be 70 degrees during the day, and in > the 50's at night. > 2. Call me anytime for any reason directly on my cell: 310-766-2006 or > Sara Dornsife on her cell at: 512-297-4600. > 3. On Friday evening, we will be having a hosted reception in the > bar/lounge of the Coast Santa Cruz Hotel. All are invited. > 4. Breakfast and Lunch will be served both Saturday and Sunday. Dinner > will be served only Saturday. > 5. Parking at UCSC is free. When you get to UCSC, follow the white or > yellow signs marked OpenSolaris to the "core west" parking lot. > 6. The Summit will take place in the Baskin Engineering 2 building. If > for some reason you loose your directions or do not print the guide when > it is emailed, there is an information Kiosk at the front enterance to > UCSC. They will guide you to the Engineering 2 building, and the core > west parking lot. > 7. Come prepared for work and fun! > > As I think of more "must know's", I'll email them to the group. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM Thu Oct 11 20:59:42 2007 From: Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM (Stuart Kreitman) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:59:42 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Do people need help setting up tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710111607y59b014q9819370168c1da79@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710111607y59b014q9819370168c1da79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470EF12E.1070608@sun.com> I'm picking up Martin B at the international arrivals terminal around 12:30, 1pm and taking him to Menlo Park for a few hours. If I get a call while I'm still in the airport, I can help others get around. my cell is 650 575 7772 Stuart Brandorr wrote: > I am landing at 12:30pm and will be available to help. Otherwise I > will either meetup with Ben, or do the campus tour with John Plocher. > (I'll only do the campus tour if other people are going.) > > Cheers, > Brian > > From dclarke at blastwave.org Thu Oct 11 21:09:02 2007 From: dclarke at blastwave.org (Dennis Clarke) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT REMINDERS In-Reply-To: <470EEEAB.1070109@sun.com> References: <470EB2C5.2090203@sun.com> <470EEEAB.1070109@sun.com> Message-ID: <52301.72.39.216.186.1192162142.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> > Everyone should be made aware of this critical piece of "local knowledge: > > http://www.ucsc.edu/about/campus_mascot.asp > That has to be one of the funniest things I have read in a long long time. A real thing of beauty to see people breaking the mold and doing their own thing. It is sort of like the 60's manta to "tune in and drop out" with the idea being to drop out of corporate america and the money machine treadmill. It was a good idea at the time. Dennis From John.Plocher at Sun.COM Thu Oct 11 22:31:29 2007 From: John.Plocher at Sun.COM (John Plocher) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:31:29 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT REMINDERS In-Reply-To: <52301.72.39.216.186.1192162142.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> References: <470EB2C5.2090203@sun.com> <470EEEAB.1070109@sun.com> <52301.72.39.216.186.1192162142.squirrel@mail.blastwave.org> Message-ID: <470F06B1.7030403@Sun.Com> Dennis Clarke wrote: > "tune in and drop out" Welcome to Santa Cruz, the place that the nuts and flakes of our wonderful granola state call home :-) Our daughter spent the summer last year at UCSC; she enjoyed telling us that there had been an article in the local paper about how the famously liberal campus had gotten more conservative over the years: the professors today no longer smoke pot with their students *in the classrooms*. -John (who used to live in Santa Cruz, but never exhaled) From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Oct 12 01:18:58 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:18:58 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Guide and Maps Message-ID: <470F2DF2.9010104@sun.com> Announcing the Official OpenSolaris Summit Guide: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/opensolaris_summit_guide.pdf Also good to have is this map, which, if you are driving yourself, directs you to the correct parking structure: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/cd_corewest.pdf Finally, a map of UCSC: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/campusmapbw.pdf From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Oct 12 01:05:08 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:05:08 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Guide Message-ID: <470F2AB4.8000703@sun.com> Attached is the Official OpenSolaris Summit Guide. I've also attached a map of UC Santa Cruz, and a map detailing how to get to the Core West parking structure. The Core West parking structure is located directly across the street from the Engineering buildings, where the Summit will be held. Email me with comments and questions. Thanks, Jesse -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: campusmapbw.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1605928 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cd_corewest.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 983114 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: opensolaris summit guide.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 346587 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Oct 12 04:50:50 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:50:50 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] GPS Message-ID: <470F5F9A.3030609@sun.com> If you're driving with a GPS computer, the address for UCSC: University of California, Santa Cruz 1156 High Street Santa Cruz, CA 95064 From Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM Fri Oct 12 07:08:17 2007 From: Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM (Stuart Kreitman) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:08:17 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Do people need help setting up tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <470EF12E.1070608@sun.com> References: <5b5090780710111607y59b014q9819370168c1da79@mail.gmail.com> <470EF12E.1070608@sun.com> Message-ID: <470F7FD1.4050901@sun.com> That is: SFO, International, around 12:30 (now I need to double check that MB's Lufthansa flight goes to SFO) Stuart Stuart Kreitman wrote: > I'm picking up Martin B at the international arrivals terminal around > 12:30, 1pm and taking him to Menlo Park for a few hours. If I get a > call while I'm still in the airport, I can help others get around. > > my cell is 650 575 7772 > > Stuart > > Brandorr wrote: >> I am landing at 12:30pm and will be available to help. Otherwise I >> will either meetup with Ben, or do the campus tour with John Plocher. >> (I'll only do the campus tour if other people are going.) >> >> Cheers, >> Brian >> >> > > From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Fri Oct 12 07:16:28 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:16:28 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit Guide and Maps In-Reply-To: <470F2DF2.9010104@sun.com> References: <470F2DF2.9010104@sun.com> Message-ID: <470F81BC.3070008@sun.com> Address for the hotel is: 175 West Cliff Drive Santa Cruz, California 95060 Tel: 831-426-4330 Jesse Silver wrote: > Announcing the Official OpenSolaris Summit Guide: > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/opensolaris_summit_guide.pdf > > Also good to have is this map, which, if you are driving yourself, > directs you to the correct parking structure: > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/cd_corewest.pdf > > Finally, a map of UCSC: > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/campusmapbw.pdf > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sat Oct 13 09:26:41 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:26:41 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit IRC channel Message-ID: <4710F1C1.2070401@sun.com> Hey, For anyone attending the summit (and those not attending), we'll be hanging out in #opensolaris-summit on irc.freenode.net. Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sat Oct 13 13:26:58 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:26:58 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit writeups Message-ID: <47112A12.3040605@sun.com> Hey, At the end of the summit, I'd encourage everyone, especially those leading sessions, to write up their sessions. Unfortunately genunix.org is having database issues right now, but our hope is that the wiki will be up soon to be able to do this. FWIW, I've been writing random babble at - http://www.gnome.org/~gman/opensolaris_summit/ Create some content, blog, twitter or whatever :) Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sat Oct 13 14:25:15 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:25:15 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit writeups In-Reply-To: <47112A12.3040605@sun.com> References: <47112A12.3040605@sun.com> Message-ID: <471137BB.4070307@sun.com> Hey, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > At the end of the summit, I'd encourage everyone, especially those leading > sessions, to write up their sessions. Unfortunately genunix.org is having > database issues right now, but our hope is that the wiki will be up soon to be > able to do this. > > FWIW, I've been writing random babble at - > > http://www.gnome.org/~gman/opensolaris_summit/ > > Create some content, blog, twitter or whatever :) Ken is doing awesome write-ups on indiana-discuss too - http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2007-October/date.html (scroll to end of page). Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sat Oct 13 15:43:35 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:43:35 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Flickr Group Message-ID: <47114A17.10503@sun.com> Hey, For anyone taking photos, feel free to upload them to the Flickr group - opensolaris_summit_2007 http://www.flickr.com/groups/571298 at N22/ Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sat Oct 13 15:52:17 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:52:17 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Flickr Group In-Reply-To: <47114A17.10503@sun.com> References: <47114A17.10503@sun.com> Message-ID: <47114C21.4030505@sun.com> Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > For anyone taking photos, feel free to upload them to the Flickr group - > > opensolaris_summit_2007 > > http://www.flickr.com/groups/571298 at N22/ Sara's a dumbass. You should of course tag your image instead with 'opensolaris_summit_2007', rather than using a group. Glynn From alvaro at sun.com Sat Oct 13 16:29:06 2007 From: alvaro at sun.com (Alvaro Lopez Ortega) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:29:06 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Mugshots Message-ID: <471154C2.3070006@sun.com> Hi folks! Here are the mugshots, http://alobbs.com/album/opensolaris_dev07_mugshots Enjoy it! :-) -- Greetings, alo. From alvaro at sun.com Sat Oct 13 16:34:50 2007 From: alvaro at sun.com (Alvaro Lopez Ortega) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:34:50 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Mugshots In-Reply-To: <471154C2.3070006@sun.com> References: <471154C2.3070006@sun.com> Message-ID: <4711561A.6020804@sun.com> Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote, On 13/10/2007 16:29: > Hi folks! > > Here are the mugshots, > > http://alobbs.com/album/opensolaris_dev07_mugshots > > Enjoy it! :-) BTW, if someone is missing or he/she would like to change his/her picture, just let me know! -- Greetings, alo. From Emily.Chen at Sun.COM Sat Oct 13 16:53:57 2007 From: Emily.Chen at Sun.COM (Emily Chen) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:53:57 +0800 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Mugshots In-Reply-To: <4711561A.6020804@sun.com> References: <471154C2.3070006@sun.com> <4711561A.6020804@sun.com> Message-ID: <47115A95.3040603@sun.com> That's great, Alo! Can not believe you uploaded our photos so quick. -Emily Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote: > Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote, On 13/10/2007 16:29: > > Hi folks! > > > > Here are the mugshots, > > > > http://alobbs.com/album/opensolaris_dev07_mugshots > > > > Enjoy it! :-) > > BTW, if someone is missing or he/she would like to change his/her > picture, just let me know! > > From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sun Oct 14 02:20:43 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:20:43 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit recordings from first day Message-ID: <4711DF6B.1020004@sun.com> Hey, Thanks to the awesome work of both John and Tim, we now have recordings of the various sessions we've had during the first day here - http://dlc.sun.com/osol/advocacy/opensolaris_summit/2007/ I haven't listened to the recordings, but hopefully you'll get a better idea of what we discussed during the day. Glynn From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Sun Oct 14 07:08:47 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:08:47 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] [osol-discuss] Summit recordings from first day In-Reply-To: <4711ED2E.1050602@sun.com> References: <4711DF6B.1020004@sun.com> <4711ED2E.1050602@sun.com> Message-ID: <471222EF.2050505@sun.com> Jedy Wang wrote: > Cyril Plisko wrote: >> On 10/14/07, Glynn Foster wrote: >> >>> Hey, >>> >>> Thanks to the awesome work of both John and Tim, we now have recordings of the >>> various sessions we've had during the first day here - >>> >>> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/advocacy/opensolaris_summit/2007/ >>> >>> I haven't listened to the recordings, but hopefully you'll get a better idea of >>> what we discussed during the day. >>> >> I am getting >> >> Forbidden >> Your client is not allowed to access the requested object. >> >> when trying to access these files. Is it me (my client) >> or something more general ? >> > I encountered the same problem. Apologies - should now be fixed. Glynn From cyril.plisko at mountall.com Sun Oct 14 02:40:27 2007 From: cyril.plisko at mountall.com (Cyril Plisko) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:40:27 +0200 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] [osol-discuss] Summit recordings from first day In-Reply-To: <4711DF6B.1020004@sun.com> References: <4711DF6B.1020004@sun.com> Message-ID: On 10/14/07, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Thanks to the awesome work of both John and Tim, we now have recordings of the > various sessions we've had during the first day here - > > http://dlc.sun.com/osol/advocacy/opensolaris_summit/2007/ > > I haven't listened to the recordings, but hopefully you'll get a better idea of > what we discussed during the day. I am getting Forbidden Your client is not allowed to access the requested object. when trying to access these files. Is it me (my client) or something more general ? -- Regards, Cyril From Jedy.Wang at Sun.COM Sun Oct 14 03:19:26 2007 From: Jedy.Wang at Sun.COM (Jedy Wang) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:19:26 +0800 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] [osol-discuss] Summit recordings from first day In-Reply-To: References: <4711DF6B.1020004@sun.com> Message-ID: <4711ED2E.1050602@sun.com> Cyril Plisko wrote: > On 10/14/07, Glynn Foster wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> Thanks to the awesome work of both John and Tim, we now have recordings of the >> various sessions we've had during the first day here - >> >> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/advocacy/opensolaris_summit/2007/ >> >> I haven't listened to the recordings, but hopefully you'll get a better idea of >> what we discussed during the day. >> > > I am getting > > Forbidden > Your client is not allowed to access the requested object. > > when trying to access these files. Is it me (my client) > or something more general ? > I encountered the same problem. Jedy From johnsonnenschein at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 07:43:11 2007 From: johnsonnenschein at gmail.com (John Sonnenschein) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:43:11 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit recordings from first day In-Reply-To: <4711DF6B.1020004@sun.com> References: <4711DF6B.1020004@sun.com> Message-ID: <2E9A3E3A-443D-4CBF-A175-5896BA8F621D@gmail.com> Hey. I caught a recording halfway through of Garrett's first driver session ( the small one ) if anyone's interested On 14-Oct-07, at 2:20 AM, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Thanks to the awesome work of both John and Tim, we now have > recordings of the > various sessions we've had during the first day here - > > http://dlc.sun.com/osol/advocacy/opensolaris_summit/2007/ > > I haven't listened to the recordings, but hopefully you'll get a > better idea of > what we discussed during the day. > > > Glynn > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit -- Encrypted Communication Preferred PGP Key: 0x437AF1A1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From david.c.stewart at intel.com Sun Oct 14 13:11:06 2007 From: david.c.stewart at intel.com (Stewart, David C) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:11:06 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Flickr Group In-Reply-To: <47114A17.10503@sun.com> References: <47114A17.10503@sun.com> Message-ID: <17ECA713899D9A48AA15BB0D921ACA5F02AC64BB@orsmsx413.amr.corp.intel.com> I posted up some photos to the group. -----Original Message----- From: opensolaris-summit-bounces at opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-summit-bounces at opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Glynn Foster Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:44 PM To: opensolaris-summit Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Flickr Group Hey, For anyone taking photos, feel free to upload them to the Flickr group - opensolaris_summit_2007 http://www.flickr.com/groups/571298 at N22/ Glynn _______________________________________________ opensolaris-summit mailing list opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM Mon Oct 15 10:27:12 2007 From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:27:12 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Summit recordings from first day In-Reply-To: <4711DF6B.1020004@sun.com> References: <4711DF6B.1020004@sun.com> Message-ID: <4713A2F0.40300@sun.com> Hey, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > Thanks to the awesome work of both John and Tim, we now have recordings of the > various sessions we've had during the first day here - > > http://dlc.sun.com/osol/advocacy/opensolaris_summit/2007/ I've uploaded the recordings for day 2 now - thanks again to John (x2), Tim and others for providing these. Glynn From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Mon Oct 15 11:57:10 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:57:10 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Flickr Group In-Reply-To: <47114C21.4030505@sun.com> References: <47114A17.10503@sun.com> <47114C21.4030505@sun.com> Message-ID: <4713B806.2080307@sun.com> Is he allowed to say that?????? Glynn Foster wrote: > Glynn Foster wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> For anyone taking photos, feel free to upload them to the Flickr group - >> >> opensolaris_summit_2007 >> >> http://www.flickr.com/groups/571298 at N22/ >> > > Sara's a dumbass. You should of course tag your image instead with > 'opensolaris_summit_2007', rather than using a group. > > > Glynn > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brandorr at opensolaris.org Tue Oct 16 09:58:28 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:58:28 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Firefox w/ Dtrace Message-ID: <5b5090780710160958jf239c79hdc80399e15235215@mail.gmail.com> Regarding the presentation on Firefox w/ Dtrace and the general putbacks that were submitted. Is there a writeup somewhere about this, as I think it was a very cool testament to the power of dtrace. Thanks, Brian -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From brandorr at opensolaris.org Tue Oct 16 11:42:11 2007 From: brandorr at opensolaris.org (Brandorr) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:42:11 -0400 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Where are the slides posted? Message-ID: <5b5090780710161142t2a3f68deqb6da2696bc152726@mail.gmail.com> It was mentioned on Saturday that the slides would be posted for review... Has this been setup yet? Cheers, Brian -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ From Alfred.Peng at Sun.COM Tue Oct 16 11:49:58 2007 From: Alfred.Peng at Sun.COM (Alfred Peng) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:49:58 +0800 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Firefox w/ Dtrace In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710160958jf239c79hdc80399e15235215@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710160958jf239c79hdc80399e15235215@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <471507D6.7020800@sun.com> Hi Brian, There is a project in OpenSolaris community for this Mozilla DTrace stuff: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/mozilla-dtrace/. Our development work with Mozilla community is mainly based on the Mozilla bugzilla and Mozilla irc(irc.mozilla.org) #developers channel. If anyone is interested in this, please join the discussion by adding to the bug interests list. Also a blog post by John Rice for this patch putback: http://blogs.sun.com/jmr/entry/dtrace_mozilla_rfe_dynamic_tracing. And some other posts about DTrace probes development in his blog. DTrace is really helpful in this case, especially we're trying to get more attentions from the Mozilla community for Solaris, such as to leverage developer resources or even get official support in the future. It could be helpful in some other projects as well I believe. Best Regards, -Alfred Brandorr wrote: > Regarding the presentation on Firefox w/ Dtrace and the general > putbacks that were submitted. Is there a writeup somewhere about this, > as I think it was a very cool testament to the power of dtrace. > > Thanks, > Brian From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Tue Oct 16 16:12:28 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:12:28 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] Where are the slides posted? In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710161142t2a3f68deqb6da2696bc152726@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710161142t2a3f68deqb6da2696bc152726@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4715455C.9060406@sun.com> Hi Brian, Stephen Hahn has posted his on his blog - blogs.sun.com/sch David Miner's is at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/files/summit.pdf David Comay's are coming shortly. Sara Brandorr wrote: > It was mentioned on Saturday that the slides would be posted for > review... Has this been setup yet? > > Cheers, > Brian > > From sriramnrn at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 00:29:41 2007 From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:59:41 +0530 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] [advocacy-discuss] Firefox w/ Dtrace In-Reply-To: <5b5090780710160958jf239c79hdc80399e15235215@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780710160958jf239c79hdc80399e15235215@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49977f270710170029n4784b0b8w1dfdf6fc94797afe@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/07, Brandorr wrote: > Regarding the presentation on Firefox w/ Dtrace and the general > putbacks that were submitted. Is there a writeup somewhere about this, > as I think it was a very cool testament to the power of dtrace. > I'm somewhat active on the Firefox IRC channels, and there was even some recent conversation between the openkomodo and mozilla folks. Having such dtrace information would be very useful, and also generate interest in Solaris. I'd like to learn of the firefox w/dtrace session, and can help get this information to the mozilla folks, if needed. > Thanks, > Brian > > -- > - Brian Gupta > > http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ > _______________________________________________ > advocacy-discuss mailing list > advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss > From swalker at opensolaris.org Fri Oct 19 08:36:48 2007 From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:36:48 -0500 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] An Apology / Correction Message-ID: Greetings, I want to correct something that I mistakenly indicated when I spoke at the Summit. The specific patch that took so darn long to integrate was not the one for profanity, that only took about 10 days. Arguably, it shouldn't have taken 10 days even, but that is very reasonable. If my ears could burn any more red than they are now, I'm sure someone would call an ambulance. Instead, it was actually this bug that took so long to integrate: 4896568 kernel/ufs mount message for remounting read-only is bogus The request sponsor date was 7/10/05, while the integration date was 10/12/05. If you look at the chart here, you'll get a better idea of the request submission date vs. actual integration date: http://opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/request_sponsor/ If you look at the "Fix Integrated into a Nevada Build" section, you'll note that many fixes took up to 3-4 months from the initial sponsor request before they were integrated. Now remember, in some cases, this is due to the submitter working with the sponsor through the process. However, in other cases, the request was just in a queue somewhere for a long time. As an example, I have a fix for 4754400 that I requested a sponsor for on 9/25/07. The worst thing on that page, howver, is the "Request Suspended" section. You'll note that there are many requests there that folks abandoned because after waiting for a sponsor to be assigned (months or even a year later) we were no longer interested in working on the issue. I intend to try re-opening my requests for those again soon and seeing if I can get someone to pick them up. I'm not really that angry or mad at folks. I understand the pain involved. I'm just looking for the process to improve and a lot of the engineers have been extremely helpful. Finally, I want to sincerely apologise for my incorrect recollection of the events :( Thanks, -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 22 18:28:09 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:28:09 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT SURVEY: Please Fill Out Message-ID: <471D4E29.5000302@sun.com> Hi all- Thanks so much to those who attended the first OpenSolaris Developer Summit. Much good work was done, and it was great meeting all of you. Our attentions now turn to the future. In order that the next Summit is better than this first one (hard to beat, but we'll try), please fill out this short, anonymous survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=BWIS5TDezRpg45HKj5Lhzw_3d_3d Thanks very much, and I hope to see you in March, Jesse From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 22 18:42:13 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:42:13 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT SURVEY: Please Fill Out In-Reply-To: <471D4E29.5000302@sun.com> References: <471D4E29.5000302@sun.com> Message-ID: <471D5175.8030404@sun.com> A quick note regarding the survey: When you are done with the form, the survey redirects back to surveymonkey.com . This does not mean your entry has been lost - it's just the way survey monkey behaves when you don't pay them to use their service. Don't worry, your responses have been collected even though it seems as though they may have been lost. Thanks, Jesse Jesse Silver wrote: > Hi all- > > Thanks so much to those who attended the first OpenSolaris Developer > Summit. Much good work was done, and it was great meeting all of you. > > Our attentions now turn to the future. In order that the next Summit is > better than this first one (hard to beat, but we'll try), please fill > out this short, anonymous survey: > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=BWIS5TDezRpg45HKj5Lhzw_3d_3d > > Thanks very much, and I hope to see you in March, > Jesse > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM Mon Oct 22 19:50:53 2007 From: Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM (Stuart Kreitman) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:50:53 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT SURVEY: Please Fill Out In-Reply-To: <471D5175.8030404@sun.com> References: <471D4E29.5000302@sun.com> <471D5175.8030404@sun.com> Message-ID: <471D618D.7020305@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > A quick note regarding the survey: > > When you are done with the form, the survey redirects back to > surveymonkey.com . This does not mean your entry has been lost - it's > just the way survey monkey behaves when you don't pay them to use their > service. > aww Jesse, you're so cheapass! Keep it up! > Don't worry, your responses have been collected even though it seems as > though they may have been lost. > > Thanks, > Jesse > > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> Hi all- >> >> Thanks so much to those who attended the first OpenSolaris Developer >> Summit. Much good work was done, and it was great meeting all of you. >> >> Our attentions now turn to the future. In order that the next Summit is >> better than this first one (hard to beat, but we'll try), please fill >> out this short, anonymous survey: >> >> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=BWIS5TDezRpg45HKj5Lhzw_3d_3d >> >> Thanks very much, and I hope to see you in March, >> Jesse >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Mon Oct 22 20:10:20 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:10:20 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT SURVEY: Please Fill Out In-Reply-To: <471D618D.7020305@sun.com> References: <471D4E29.5000302@sun.com> <471D5175.8030404@sun.com> <471D618D.7020305@sun.com> Message-ID: <471D661C.3000802@sun.com> Stuart Kreitman wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> A quick note regarding the survey: >> >> When you are done with the form, the survey redirects back to >> surveymonkey.com . This does not mean your entry has been lost - it's >> just the way survey monkey behaves when you don't pay them to use their >> service. >> >> > > aww Jesse, you're so cheapass! > > Keep it up! > :) Thanks Stuart. Better to save the money for the next summit. Maybe we'll serve fillets instead of rib eyes. >> Don't worry, your responses have been collected even though it seems as >> though they may have been lost. >> >> Thanks, >> Jesse >> >> Jesse Silver wrote: >> >> >>> Hi all- >>> >>> Thanks so much to those who attended the first OpenSolaris Developer >>> Summit. Much good work was done, and it was great meeting all of you. >>> >>> Our attentions now turn to the future. In order that the next Summit is >>> better than this first one (hard to beat, but we'll try), please fill >>> out this short, anonymous survey: >>> >>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=BWIS5TDezRpg45HKj5Lhzw_3d_3d >>> >>> Thanks very much, and I hope to see you in March, >>> Jesse >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-summit mailing list >>> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-summit mailing list >> opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM Mon Oct 22 21:09:46 2007 From: Stuart.Kreitman at Sun.COM (Stuart Kreitman) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:09:46 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT SURVEY: Please Fill Out In-Reply-To: <471D661C.3000802@sun.com> References: <471D4E29.5000302@sun.com> <471D5175.8030404@sun.com> <471D618D.7020305@sun.com> <471D661C.3000802@sun.com> Message-ID: <471D740A.80700@sun.com> Jesse Silver wrote: > >> > :) Thanks Stuart. Better to save the money for the next summit. Maybe > we'll serve fillets instead of rib eyes. Next time, James Liu and I will get to the Santa Cruz pier earlier. Then you can have a fish fry. From james.liu at sun.com Tue Oct 23 09:16:19 2007 From: james.liu at sun.com (James C. Liu) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:16:19 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] SUMMIT SURVEY: Please Fill Out In-Reply-To: <471D740A.80700@sun.com> References: <471D4E29.5000302@sun.com> <471D5175.8030404@sun.com> <471D618D.7020305@sun.com> <471D661C.3000802@sun.com> <471D740A.80700@sun.com> Message-ID: <471E1E53.4000809@sun.com> That's if Stuart doesn't eat the fish, sashimi style before we get back! -James Stuart Kreitman wrote: > Jesse Silver wrote: > >> >> >>> >> >>:) Thanks Stuart. Better to save the money for the next summit. Maybe >>we'll serve fillets instead of rib eyes. > > > Next time, James Liu and I will get to the Santa Cruz pier earlier. > Then you can have a fish fry. > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: scfishing_14.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 52748 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Wed Oct 24 14:00:21 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:00:21 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] REMINDER: Summit Survey Message-ID: <471FB265.4080400@sun.com> Thanks to the 28 of you who have filled out our Summit Survey. If you haven't, please visit: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=BWIS5TDezRpg45HKj5Lhzw_3d_3d The survey will close Friday, October 26 at 12:00pm PS. From Emily.Chen at Sun.COM Thu Oct 25 22:08:02 2007 From: Emily.Chen at Sun.COM (Emily Chen) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:08:02 +0800 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] More photos Message-ID: <47217632.4030806@sun.com> Hi, More photos on OpenSolaris Summit: http://picasaweb.google.com/emilychen522/OpenSolarisDeveloperSummit For those people who also attend SMI OpenSource summit, click here: http://picasaweb.google.com/emilychen522/SMIOpenSourceSummit -Emily From Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM Fri Oct 26 17:21:35 2007 From: Jesse.Silver at Sun.COM (Jesse Silver) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:21:35 -0700 Subject: [opensolaris-summit] More photos In-Reply-To: <47217632.4030806@sun.com> References: <47217632.4030806@sun.com> Message-ID: <4722848F.3040508@sun.com> Great pictures! Thanks Emily :) Emily Chen wrote: > Hi, > More photos on OpenSolaris Summit: > http://picasaweb.google.com/emilychen522/OpenSolarisDeveloperSummit > > For those people who also attend SMI OpenSource summit, click here: > http://picasaweb.google.com/emilychen522/SMIOpenSourceSummit > > -Emily > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-summit mailing list > opensolaris-summit at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-summit >