[ug-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] Sponsor Project Indiana / OT

[Stephen Lau]

Dirk Wetter wrote:
> Am 13.06.07 23:39, Stephen Lau schrieb:
>> Dirk Wetter wrote:
>>> Hi Sara, Michelle,
>>>
>>> Am 13.06.07 22:44, michelle olson schrieb:
>>>> Hi Sara,
>>>>
>>>> Your common practice is fine, let's take it a step further. When I go to
>>>> fedora web site http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines
>>>> and read about the trademark usage, I get information that makes sense.
>>>> This is not the case when I go to http://opensolaris.org/os/trademark/ I
>>>> get information that is out of date, promises not kept and a message to
>>>> 'stay tuned'.
>>>>
>>>> Will we be fixing that? Will parties be authorized to use the trademark?
>>>> Under what conditions? Will there be guidelines? How about a mailing
>>>> list for questions? These details and information about how any of these
>>>> rules are going to change in support of the new effort is the critical
>>>> information that we need to provide.
>>> It's kind of off topic but since you and Sara seems to be reading
>>> this: if
>>> you install SXDE/SXCR you get all over the place Solaris, not OpenSolaris
>>> logos. That is also inconsistent and it is probably confusing everybody
>>> outside Sun.
>> That's perfectly reasonable.  Solaris is Sun's distribution of OpenSolaris.
> 
> Sorry Stephen, but RHEL is also Red Hat's distribution of Fedora Core. That
> was my point you just underlined.

So why do you expect OpenSolaris logos in Solaris?
I don't recall seeing Fedora logos in RHEL (maybe I'm wrong though?)

> Your argument should have been "SX?E is Sun's distribution of OpenSolaris".

SXDE/SXCE are merely marketing labels for the product named Solaris, 
which is Sun's distribution of OpenSolaris.

>> Sun does not (currently) ship a binary distribution called OpenSolaris.
> 
> If there is a COMMUNITY distribution there should IMHO be no logos of Sun
> in there unless want to insinuate "hey, we open sourced our code, but it's
> still ours and may be it'll be in the future". Or just don't name it
> "community" and don't host discussions on that on opensolaris.org. This all
> independent of what happens with Indiana.

Agreed.
But SX?E is not that community distribution.

> It kind of reminded me on the 'The Register' article Ian quoted in his
> blog. Sun is confusing everybody. :-) You should get the naming and
> apperance better and may be a little bit more consistent in what steak
> comes from which cow and stands on which pasture ground.

I completely agree.  The messaging is confusing - but the actual 
original message we all agreed on is perfectly clear.

In this case, shoot the messenger.

> Hopefully recent discussions bring this also a leap forward.

I hope for that too.

cheers,
steve
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