From james.walker at sun.com Thu May 3 12:03:31 2007 From: james.walker at sun.com (Jim Walker) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:03:31 PDT Subject: [ug-discuss] FROSUG May Meeting Announcement (5/31/2007) Message-ID: <33483346.1178219041385.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> This month's FROSUG (Front Range OpenSolaris User Group) meeting is on Thursday, May 31, 2007. Brad Lewis and Tim Jacobson will give a presentation on Sun Studio 12 Compilers and Tools. In addition, we will be giving an OpenSolaris Update, and will be having an InstallFest. So, if you want help installing an OpenSolaris distribution, backup your laptop and bring it to the meeting! !! FREE OpenSolaris Starter Kits and Solaris Express Developer Edition DVDs. !! About the presentation: OpenSolaris includes the best package of compilers and tools for developers. This free package is called Sun Studio and version 12 will be released in June. This presentation will give an overview of the components of Sun Studio and new improvements for version 12. In addition, there will be several short demonstrations using performance and diagnostic tools. The presentation will be posted on http://frosug.org prior to the meeting. About our presenters: Brad Lewis and Tim Jacobson work in the Performance Library Group (Perflib). Perflib is a collection of Mathematical Routines for Scientific Computing. These routines are custom written to obtain the highest performance on Sun hardware for both stand-alone and parallel systems. ----- Meeting Details: When: Thursday, May 31, 2007 Times: 6:00pm - 6:30pm Doors open and Pizza 6:30pm - 6:45pm OpenSolaris Update 6:45pm - 8:30pm Sun Studio 12 Compiler Where: Sun Broomfield Campus Building 1 - Conference Center 500 Eldorado Blvd. Broomfield, CO 80021 Dialin: 866-545-5220 Access Code: 9303067 The meeting is free and open to the public. Pizza and soft drinks will be served at the beginning of the meeting. Please RSVP to frosug-rsvp(AT)opensolaris(DOT)org in order to help us plan for food and setup access to the Sun campus. We hope to see you there! Thanks, FROSUG ----- Future Meeting Plans: June 28, 2007: Bonnie Corwin presents "OpenSolaris: Where We Are and Where We're Going". In addition, we will celebrate OpenSolaris's two year Anniversary!! If you have ideas for topics or have a topic you would like to present, send them to: ug-frosug(AT)opensolaris(DOT)org This message posted from opensolaris.org From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue May 8 08:39:18 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:39:18 +0100 Subject: [ug-discuss] 10th Irish OpenSolaris User Group Meeting Message-ID: <1178638758.3806.100.camel@sr1-edub-04> Hi All, We're happy to announce the 10th Irish OpenSolaris User Group Meeting. This month Fintan Ryan will be presenting a talk called "Service Management Facility (smf(5))". Date: Tuesday 29th May 2007 Time: 7pm Location: TCD, Swift Theatre, Arts Block The talk will dig into SMF[1] a little more than we did last month, showing day-to-day usage, as well as administration aspects of SMF. Fintan will also cover a little bit of the behind-the-scenes kernel details of SMF, but it'll predominantly be about the userland parts. Fintan will talk a bit about the some of the work he did a while back using SMF to tie Apache and MySQL together[2] and I can talk about some says he can talk a bit about some ZFS & SMF integration[3] too if that's of interest. If you've got any apps that you think would benefit from running as an SMF service, we'd be really interested in hearing about them, as Fintan's offered to give some practical examples during his talk. We'll probably head to a local pub afterwards to continue the discussions - everyone welcome! Linkable announcement at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/ie-osug/iosug-10 cheers, tim [1] http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/smf/ [2] http://blogs.sun.com/fintanr/entry/avoiding_mysql_connect_errors_by [3] http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/zfs_automatic_snapshots_0_8 -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From Mark.Garner at Sun.COM Tue May 15 19:25:59 2007 From: Mark.Garner at Sun.COM (Mark Garner) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:25:59 -0700 Subject: [ug-discuss] San Diego OpenSolaris User Group Message-ID: <988B330D-AC0C-45DF-BE94-F29DD9F17E53@Sun.COM> Hello all, we had our first OpenSolaris User Group meeting here in San Diego CA on May 2nd, Benoit Chaffanjon spoke about Benchmarking and DTrace, fantastic, his talk went down a storm. We had a roundtable after the presentation, there were two loud points. We have to get the word out about OpenSolaris, esp. to the Linux folks who simply don't know about this stuff (from a guy that runs exclusively Linux on his HPC grid), and what exactly is OpenSolaris? A segue in to my request... Is there anyone out there who could talk, who knows someone who could talk, at the next San Diego OpenSolaris meeting, June 20th evening, and explain the why, what, how, what exactly is OpenSolaris? The OpenSolaris RFP, Bug process, the projects, development process, the relationship between Solaris and OpenSolaris. Who is using OpenSolaris and why, who has contributed and a whole bunch of other stuff that you know and I can't think of as I write. Let me know if you can help us. Thanks, Mark. From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue May 15 21:52:24 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:52:24 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] San Diego OpenSolaris User Group In-Reply-To: <988B330D-AC0C-45DF-BE94-F29DD9F17E53@Sun.COM> References: <988B330D-AC0C-45DF-BE94-F29DD9F17E53@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <464A8E08.8040008@Sun.COM> Mark Garner wrote: > Hello all, > > we had our first OpenSolaris User Group meeting here in San Diego CA on > May 2nd, Benoit Chaffanjon spoke about Benchmarking and DTrace, > fantastic, his talk went down a storm. We had a roundtable after the > presentation, there were two loud points. We have to get the word out > about OpenSolaris, esp. to the Linux folks who simply don't know about > this stuff (from a guy that runs exclusively Linux on his HPC grid), > and what exactly is OpenSolaris? A segue in to my request... > > Is there anyone out there who could talk, who knows someone who could > talk, at the next San Diego OpenSolaris meeting, June 20th evening, and > explain the why, what, how, what exactly is OpenSolaris? The > OpenSolaris RFP, Bug process, the projects, development process, the > relationship between Solaris and OpenSolaris. Who is using OpenSolaris > and why, who has contributed and a whole bunch of other stuff that you > know and I can't think of as I write. > > Let me know if you can help us. Thanks, Mark. Next time I'm in Calif, I'll let you know. I'd love to stop by and chat. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 16 01:17:19 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:17:19 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] Updated: UG Leader Grid Message-ID: <464ABE0F.7020501@Sun.COM> Because the left nav bar in the UG Community can get long and confusing, I created a grid with all the user groups, lists, and leaders on one page. I've been updating it recently with info from those groups that responded to my query last month. With the other groups, or new groups I found on the site, I just tried to figure out who leads what from various pages and lists. Some groups I have very little info on and no contact info at all, so I marked them in yellow. If anyone knows these groups, let me know. And if I'm missing anything or if anything is wrong in the other listings, let me know as well: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/ Thanks, Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From michelle.olson at sun.com Fri May 18 15:28:14 2007 From: michelle.olson at sun.com (Michelle Olson) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:28:14 PDT Subject: [ug-discuss] global anniversary picnic Message-ID: <4130705.1179527324628.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Hi all, To celebrate the OpenSolaris 2nd anniversary, benr suggested a bay area picnic. I'd like to extend that idea around the world by asking user group leaders to have a gathering the weekend of June 9/10 or one evening before June 14th. The location can be as simple as outside the usual meeting location, or a park. It can be potluck, just drinks, or whatever. Request that folks bring their food, families, optionally cameras, and recording devices. Those who want to, can post podcasts and pics to opensolaris.org pages during the week and create together a global virtual OpenSolaris Birthday picnic. Anyone interested? Thanks, Michelle OpenSolaris Doc Community leader This message posted from opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Sun May 20 23:24:45 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:24:45 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] Advocates (Advocacy) Community Group In-Reply-To: <463056AA.50108@Sun.COM> References: <463056AA.50108@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <46513B2D.4030405@Sun.COM> FYI: The OGB will vote on this formally when they have a full meeting (one member is out of town). Two members have said that the proposal looks fine, so we should be in good shape. Also, Ben Rockwood has proposed that the Immigrants Community be part of the merger: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/immigrants/ Ben's proposal on the OGB list: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2007-May/000520.html I think it's fine, but I wanted everyone to see in case anyone had an opinion either way. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Hey ... > > Although I see consensus for "Advocates" as a name for the new community > group we've been discussing, I know at least a few people have mentioned > "Advocacy" as an option. Either way, I think we can move on from the > other names and decide between these two. Agree? > > So ... using "Advocates" for the moment, this is what we have right now: > > We have consensus to merge the User Groups Community and the Marketing > Community into a new community called Advocates. Also, we have consensus > to move the user groups to projects, all of which will be endorsed by > the Advocates Community. > > Below is a draft description of the new community. I'm leaving out the > "merging" stuff since it's been discussed, it's confusing, we have > consensus, and it's easier to just draft something fresh. > > Advocates Community Group > > The Advocates Community Group exists to help people around the world get > involved in the OpenSolaris Community. We welcome participation from > people of all languages and cultures and people with all levels of > technical and non-technical skills. Everyone has something to contribute. > > In here you will find independent user groups, presentations, news, > articles, blogs, technical and non-technical content, videos and > podcasts, events and conferences, metrics and graphics, swag, badges, > buttons, and a variety of promotional projects. > > Our defining guidelines and values are simple: we embrace the > OpenSolaris Principles http://opensolaris.org/os/about/ and we are a > community group in good standing under the OpenSolaris Constitution > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/governance/ > > Join us and participate ... > > Something like that. It's just a suggestion. > > Advocates Community Leaders: (names TBD) > > Below is an implementation sequence off the top of my head that I think > we'll have to go through. See if it makes sense. > > Implementation Sequence: (most of which will be done manually) > > * Brief the OGB about our merger plan and get final approval. > * Establish leaders -- merge, add new, delete old. > * Merge Marketing and UG Community lists for contributors and core > contributors and maintain as one list. > * Draft Community Mission Statement. > * Create a new community -- Advocates Community -- and migrate content. > * Create a new list -- advocates at opensolaris.org -- and merge names. > * Start migrating existing user groups to projects and begin the > creation of new user groups under a new process based on the OGB's > project creation guidelines. > * Endorse all user group projects. > * Establish URL re-directs for migrated content. > * Migrate Marketing & UG Community content to the Advocates community. > * Migrate additional content: Articles and Newsletter > * Delete old Marketing & UG communities and lists. > > > Missing anything? > > > Jim > -- > Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris > _______________________________________________ > ug-discuss mailing list > ug-discuss at opensolaris.org From Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM Mon May 21 06:04:52 2007 From: Patrick.Finch at Sun.COM (Patrick Finch) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:04:52 +0200 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Advocates (Advocacy) Community Group In-Reply-To: <46513B2D.4030405@Sun.COM> References: <463056AA.50108@Sun.COM> <46513B2D.4030405@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <465198F4.6090208@sun.com> I think that Ben's proposal makes a great deal of sense. Patrick Jim Grisanzio wrote: > FYI: > > The OGB will vote on this formally when they have a full meeting (one > member is out of town). Two members have said that the proposal looks > fine, so we should be in good shape. > > Also, Ben Rockwood has proposed that the Immigrants Community be part of > the merger: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/immigrants/ > > Ben's proposal on the OGB list: > http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2007-May/000520.html > > I think it's fine, but I wanted everyone to see in case anyone had an > opinion either way. > > Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Thu May 24 01:36:52 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:36:52 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] Japan OpenSolaris Community Message-ID: <46554EA4.2090108@Sun.COM> Here are some images from OpenSolaris at a Sun event in Tokyo yesterday: http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/entry/opensolaris_in_tokyo We have some more events planned in the next month or two, so I'll post some stuff here as well. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From alan.duboff at sun.com Thu May 24 11:41:04 2007 From: alan.duboff at sun.com (Alan DuBoff) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ug-discuss] Japan OpenSolaris Community In-Reply-To: <46554EA4.2090108@Sun.COM> References: <46554EA4.2090108@Sun.COM> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 May 2007, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Here are some images from OpenSolaris at a Sun event in Tokyo yesterday: > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/entry/opensolaris_in_tokyo > We have some more events planned in the next month or two, so I'll post some > stuff here as well. Wow, nice gathering of folks! Good job Jim! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon May 28 00:18:52 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:18:52 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth Message-ID: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> hey ... I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow the UG Community. There are about 50 OpenSolaris User Groups right now, http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/ so congratulations for a job well done over these first two years! Now how do we get to 75? 100? 150? There is a growing interest at Sun to help out, which is excellent. Some of us have been bouncing ideas around, and we'd like propose that Sun create an OpenSolaris User Group Starter Kit. We've done this before in the past, but I'd like to do it again for new groups as well as established groups. Does anyone have any ideas about what could be in such a kit? I'm thinking ... * x number of OpenSolaris t-shirts (do we need new shirts?) * x number of OpenSolaris Starter Kits * x number of the OpenSolaris Hand Books (kits/books: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/490843667/) * other stuff needed in the kit to start and run a successful group? As part of the project infrastructure, Sun already provides the UG pages and mail lists (and we'll hopefully move to projects under the Advocacy Community soon which will give each UG more flexibility and visibility), but what else could Sun do beyond a kit to help the user group community grow, while at the same time encouraging the groups to be as independent as possible? I don't know how many resources I can get, but a conversation about the issue here would be most helpful to see what's needed. All ideas welcome ... Thanks, Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From stefanparvu14 at yahoo.com Mon May 28 01:56:27 2007 From: stefanparvu14 at yahoo.com (Stefan Parvu) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:56:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth Message-ID: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, >I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow >the UG Community. There are about 50 OpenSolaris User Groups right now, >http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/ so >congratulations for a job well done over these first two years! Now how >do we get to 75? 100? 150? There is a growing interest at Sun to help >out, which is excellent. How I see the things: 1). Education/Schools Basically in my opinion we should focus on education and schools|universities. The user groups can grow if we are present there where the young generation is learning: schools and universities. This has an important role for OpenSolaris and for future jobs related with (Open)Solaris market - each local group should engage work, maybe as well with help from Sun Marketing, to target their own schools, universities - each local group should 'market' OpenSolaris to different events organized by students or universities. Sponsor maybe some of them - expand as well to other events hosted by schools and in cooperation with other companies 2). Hardware/Software shops Even this might sound a bit of Sun Marketing approach I do consider important to see OpenSolaris, there were people are getting their computer gear from: hardware and software shops. - in how many shops have you seen any adds about OpenSolaris ? - how many shops are promoting OpenSolaris packages ? Easy to redistribute software packs with OpenSolaris ? - events organized by the soft/hdw shops ? - local groups should get involved with shops and possible start promoting to them OpenSolaris. Maybe as well Sun Marketing could help on this too, since Sun is a big sponsor for OpenSolaris. Rgds, stefan From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Mon May 28 02:35:13 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:35:13 +0100 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <1180344913.14032.29.camel@haiiro> Hi Jim, Here's thoughts from me: On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 16:18 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas about what could be in > such a kit? I'm thinking ... > > * x number of OpenSolaris t-shirts (do we need new shirts?) > * x number of OpenSolaris Starter Kits > * x number of the OpenSolaris Hand Books > (kits/books: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/490843667/) > * other stuff needed in the kit to start and run a successful group? * Posters We're trying to roll our own at the moment, but they're pretty basic, and we quickly ran out of the nice black OpenSolaris ones that we got initially, so more posters would be great. * Audio recording mechanisms This isn't so much about Sun provided resources (though it could be!) but I've been thinking for a while, that encouraging all of the user-groups to provide mp3s of their meetings would be well worth it. We've started doing this for the IEOSUG, and I know Alan's got dial-in access to the SVOSUG meetings, but that sucks if you're not in PST or the US, as the toll-free number isn't toll-free and not everyone's dedicated enough to dial into a conference call at 3am. Getting audio offline would be wonderful. (I'm still dying to hear last Thursday's Project Indiana session) $50 on eBay can get a decent mp3 recorder, and with a cheapo condenser mic we were able to record: http://mediacast.sun.com/share/timf/ie-osug-9.mp3 and plan to continue with these if we can. Would providing grants to user-groups for obtaining audio recording devices work? Perhaps even including the $5 Sun-Microphones[1] in the starter kits might be enough. I'd love to hear what other UGs were talking about, apart from just getting their slides. If there was no excuse for *not* recording the sessions, perhaps more user groups would do it? At some point, getting these recordings rolled into a single RSS feed would be a logical next step. Eventually, we'd have "OpenSolaris Radio" (which admittedly would take a bit more audio production, interviews with celebs, etc.) but even now, we've got a lot of OpenSolaris content being produced at every user group meeting - I think it's a shame not to share it. cheers, tim [1] http://www.bizsyscon.com/pics/SUN_3701678.jpg -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From flash at systemnews.com Mon May 28 07:52:26 2007 From: flash at systemnews.com (John J McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:52:26 -0400 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <465AECAA.9090608@systemnews.com> > I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow the UG Community What can Sun do to help the user group grow? Here are a few of my ideas: - Leverage technology: to make skilled Subject Matter Expects available as speakers via SunBTV - Recently I attended a Sun marketing session on the topic of LDoms. It was delivered via SunBTV to the Sun office in Atlanta (and others) - That is a great way to make speakers available at a reasonable cost - Timezone coordination is needed to make it work. - Videos of sessions can be made available via OpenSolaris.org to members - Local meetings can leverage the content - Can we get John Gage, Greg Papadopoulos, Hal Stern, Ingrid Van den Hoogen to be the OpenSolaris User Group advocates? - Executive level sponsorship could make a big difference - Fund a unique, valuable, professional user group publication - that's where teaming with SNI (publishers of "System News for Sun Users") could be of value - members should be encouraged to provide papers and other content for the user group publication and the web site - Make the OSUG attractive to developers - developers choose their target platforms. If developers choose Linux or Windows, there's no opportunity for OpenSolaris - people choose apps --> apps decide platforms --> good apps drive volume --> developers choose volume platforms to create new apps - Make the OSUG attractive to application vendors (free or commercial) - if people find the right apps easily on Solaris, then they have a reason to use Solaris and care about OpenSolaris - Sun has a whole market development organization to support ISVs that could with the OpenSolaris community - Leverage Free and Open Source s/w - blastwave.org is an amazing resource for Sun and the OpenSolaris community - we should be constantly promoting some of the gems in that collection - Sun Communications - Can we get Sun to promote OpenSolaris.org @sun.com and in other Sun e-communications - OpenSolaris.org website needs help - Sun's web team have done a ton of work to develop sun.com - Can they help improve opensolaris.org? e.g. Sun has a couple of "front pages" features to drive people into the web site/ Today, those are "Triple your capacity" (a product promotion) "Revolutionary Technology" (Dr. Marc Trembly article) "Get Exciting New Promotions Now" (well, it is Q4) - Many people at Sun find can/will only do things in their job description - field marketing people must be goaled to create and support local user groups work - same with sales management - Sun field sales and marketing can - connect OpenSolaris chapters with the users in their geo - provide resources (such as meeting locations) - communicate local user group events on a regular basis - Leverage the Partner community - most of Sun's business is conducted via Partners (resellers) - can Sun help motivate the Partner community to support local chapters - how can one chapter work with multiple Partners? Easy! each meeting can be sponsored by a different Partner - e.g. change the Partner "gtm" program to provide funding to support local OpenSolaris chapters - Joint Press Releases - Sun and OpenSolaris.org should do joint press releases once per month. - There should be a monthly deadline for all the local chapters to post (a) a summary of their last meeting (b) agenda for the next - that material and other news from the board and marketing community would make up the press release - Sun and the OpenSolaris User group should support regular OpenSolaris conference in the US - e.g. spring in California and fall in New England - membership required - members are encouraged to present papers (in the early 90's, the Sun User Group (SuG) could draw 10k to San Jose) - other than JavaOne, Sun has not been successful at making a conference work. I think that's because they lack the grass root support - It could be called OpenSolarisOne :-) - how about teaming with the SDN Techdays people http://developers.sun.com/events/techdays/locations.jsp - Theses conference should be made attractive to developers, administrators, Partners and IT management - Sun marketing pays a lot of attention to finding new customers. How can the OpenSolaris User Group help? - E.g. develop and promote material to help convert people to OpenSolaris from Windows and Linux - presentations, white papers, demos etc. -johnj Jim Grisanzio wrote: > hey ... > > I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow > the UG Community. There are about 50 OpenSolaris User Groups right now, > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/ so > congratulations for a job well done over these first two years! Now > how do we get to 75? 100? 150? There is a growing interest at Sun to > help out, which is excellent. > > .... > All ideas welcome ... > > Thanks, > > Jim -- John J. McLaughlin, Editor-in-Chief/CTO, System News Inc. Publishers of "SunFlash" (http://sunflash.sun.com) "System News for Sun Users" and "System News for Sun iForce Partners" flash at systemnews.com +1 (954) 234 8990 http://sun.systemnews.com LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/e/fpf/228699 From stefanparvu14 at yahoo.com Mon May 28 10:00:01 2007 From: stefanparvu14 at yahoo.com (Stefan Parvu) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:00:01 +0300 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465B0A91.3080105@yahoo.com> > 1). Education/Schools > 2). Hardware/Software shops Two more additions from my side: 3). Perl, Python, Ruby Close cooperation with other conferences and usergroups: YAPC, Python, Ruby. It is important to participate and submit papers for different audiences keeping a close relationship with Perl, Python and Ruby communities. - Perl 6 and OpenSolaris - RubyOnRails and OpenSolaris ... 4). OpenSolaris Magazine A good idea is to have an electronic online magazine, where different groups can submit topics and present certain technologies around OpenSolaris and their projects. The magazine could be delivered 4 times per year and could be self sustained by a small fee, 10e/year or so... like http://www.theperlreview.com/about.html So my final list: 1). Education/Schools/Universities 2). Advertisement in different electronic shops, selling hardware and software 3). Close cooperation with Perl, Python and Ruby communities 4). OpenSolaris Magazine Cheers, Stefan From stefanparvu14 at yahoo.com Mon May 28 10:27:09 2007 From: stefanparvu14 at yahoo.com (Stefan Parvu) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:27:09 +0300 Subject: [ug-discuss] 1st Finland OpenSolaris User Group Meeting Message-ID: <465B10ED.1060604@yahoo.com> *** Welcome to FIOSUG 1st meeting ! *** You are invited on 31.05.2007 to participate to the first edition of Finland OpenSolaris User Group meeting. The official page of the group is: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/fiosug/ The agenda for this meeting: - OpenSolaris project, a short description of the project - The OpenSolaris community - Distributions and Solaris OE - Technologies: DTrace, ZFS, SMF, short talk - Future Regards, Stefan Parvu From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Mon May 28 11:19:40 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:19:40 +0100 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465B0A91.3080105@yahoo.com> References: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <465B0A91.3080105@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465B1D3C.1040401@sun.com> Hi Stefan & all, Stefan Parvu wrote: > 4). OpenSolaris Magazine > A good idea is to have an electronic online magazine, where > different groups can submit topics and present certain technologies > around OpenSolaris and their projects. We sort of have this at http://opensolaris.org/os/project/content/newsletter/ but it's monthly, not quarterly - it'd be nice if there was more content here though. Something like an external version of the Sun-internal (sorry) Technocrat newsletter would make for excellent reading. There've been a few attempts to get people to contribute to this sort of thing, the Content community, for example (from which came some some excellent articles on Install and another good one on VMware) We also tried to get more feedback in the "Help OpenSolaris Marketing", by asking people to write articles, but again, I'm not sure how successful we were http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/help-marketing/ along with the Articles page at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/articles/ I guess I'm like most people - I'm interested in hearing more about OpenSolaris projects, but tend to get most information by digging around myself in project web pages, blog posts and ARC cases. Having these aggregated in a monthly/quarterly posting somewhere would be lovely. (I think encouraging the projects themselves to submit these kinds of articles is the only way something like this can scale, unless you know of someone with super-powers ?) cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From stefanparvu14 at yahoo.com Mon May 28 13:15:21 2007 From: stefanparvu14 at yahoo.com (Stefan Parvu) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:15:21 +0300 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465B1D3C.1040401@sun.com> References: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <465B0A91.3080105@yahoo.com> <465B1D3C.1040401@sun.com> Message-ID: <465B3859.7050004@yahoo.com> Hi Tim, > We sort of have this at > http://opensolaris.org/os/project/content/newsletter/ > but it's monthly, not quarterly - it'd be nice if there was more > content here though. Something like an external version of the > Sun-internal (sorry) Technocrat newsletter would make for excellent > reading. yeah, maybe we should really have a nice e-magazine with some technical content quarterly. On this magazine people should be able to read: - OpenSolaris technologies - Other open source projects on OpenSolaris: Perl 6, Python 3 etc. - Success stories - Local Groups How can we get people interested about this ? Well, first we will need to setup a small group which should publish the magazine. Layout, content... Then we should look for authors, insiders and outsiders of OpenSolaris. I would vote to have a fee for this, something symbolic like 5-10e/year > There've been a few attempts to get people to contribute to this sort > of thing, the Content community, for example (from which came some some > excellent articles on Install and another good one on VMware) We need better integration with other communities I think: Perl, Python folks. This will take time. We need to participate as well on YAPC and maybe some other scripting conferences, by showing OpenSolaris how interacts with other technologies and projects... then people will follow. Cheers, Stefan From Lukas.Rovensky at Sun.COM Mon May 28 17:23:32 2007 From: Lukas.Rovensky at Sun.COM (Lukas Rovensky) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 02:23:32 +0200 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <1180344913.14032.29.camel@haiiro> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> <1180344913.14032.29.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <465B7284.5010709@sun.com> Hi Tim, as for the recordings -- CZOSUG does video recording of interesting talks (see http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/czosug/, look at the icons next to acrobat ones). Most of the talks are in English but some are also in Czech. Regards, Lukas Tim Foster wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Here's thoughts from me: > > On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 16:18 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> Does anyone have any ideas about what could be in >> such a kit? I'm thinking ... >> >> * x number of OpenSolaris t-shirts (do we need new shirts?) >> * x number of OpenSolaris Starter Kits >> * x number of the OpenSolaris Hand Books >> (kits/books: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/490843667/) >> * other stuff needed in the kit to start and run a successful group? > > * Posters > We're trying to roll our own at the moment, but they're pretty basic, > and we quickly ran out of the nice black OpenSolaris ones that we got > initially, so more posters would be great. > > * Audio recording mechanisms > This isn't so much about Sun provided resources (though it could be!) > but I've been thinking for a while, that encouraging all of the > user-groups to provide mp3s of their meetings would be well worth it. > > We've started doing this for the IEOSUG, and I know Alan's got > dial-in access to the SVOSUG meetings, but that sucks if you're not in > PST or the US, as the toll-free number isn't toll-free and not > everyone's dedicated enough to dial into a conference call at 3am. > Getting audio offline would be wonderful. (I'm still dying to hear > last Thursday's Project Indiana session) > > $50 on eBay can get a decent mp3 recorder, and with a cheapo condenser > mic we were able to record: > http://mediacast.sun.com/share/timf/ie-osug-9.mp3 > and plan to continue with these if we can. Would providing grants > to user-groups for obtaining audio recording devices work? Perhaps > even including the $5 Sun-Microphones[1] in the starter kits might be > enough. > > I'd love to hear what other UGs were talking about, apart from just > getting their slides. If there was no excuse for *not* recording > the sessions, perhaps more user groups would do it? > > At some point, getting these recordings rolled into a single RSS feed > would be a logical next step. Eventually, we'd have > "OpenSolaris Radio" (which admittedly would take a bit more audio > production, interviews with celebs, etc.) but even now, we've got a > lot of OpenSolaris content being produced at every user group meeting > - I think it's a shame not to share it. > > cheers, > tim > > > [1] http://www.bizsyscon.com/pics/SUN_3701678.jpg > From sriramnrn at gmail.com Mon May 28 21:01:51 2007 From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:31:51 +0530 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465B0A91.3080105@yahoo.com> References: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <465B0A91.3080105@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49977f270705282101ra81433cwb4f9b5810247a1ef@mail.gmail.com> On 5/28/07, Stefan Parvu wrote: > > 3). Perl, Python, Ruby > Close cooperation with other conferences and usergroups: > YAPC, Python, Ruby. It is important to participate and > submit papers for different audiences keeping a close > relationship with Perl, Python and Ruby communities. > - Perl 6 and OpenSolaris > - RubyOnRails and OpenSolaris > ... Helping various platforms with optimizing their performance using DTrace (and with writing DTrace providers) would go a long way in winning support from such groups. -- Sriram From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon May 28 21:50:56 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:50:56 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465BB130.3050205@Sun.COM> Stefan Parvu wrote: > Hi Jim, > > >>I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow >>the UG Community. There are about 50 OpenSolaris User Groups right now, >>http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/ so >>congratulations for a job well done over these first two years! Now how >>do we get to 75? 100? 150? There is a growing interest at Sun to help >>out, which is excellent. > > > How I see the things: > > 1). Education/Schools > > Basically in my opinion we should focus on education and schools|universities. > The user groups can grow if we are present there where the young generation > is learning: schools and universities. This has an important role for OpenSolaris and for > future jobs related with (Open)Solaris market > > - each local group should engage work, maybe as well with help from Sun Marketing, > to target their own schools, universities > > - each local group should 'market' OpenSolaris to different events organized by students > or universities. Sponsor maybe some of them > > - expand as well to other events hosted by schools and in > cooperation with other companies Cool. I like the idea of engaging universities. There are programs doing that now (campus evangelists and ambassadors) but perhaps we can collaborate with them with regard to the OpenSolaris User Group Community: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/edu/campus_evangelists/ http://opensolaris.org/os/project/os_user_groups_amb/ I'd like to start listing *all* the OpenSolaris User Groups on one page so they are easier to find and everyone will know all the groups that are out there. > 2). Hardware/Software shops > > Even this might sound a bit of Sun Marketing approach I do > consider important to see OpenSolaris, there were people are getting their > computer gear from: hardware and software shops. > > - in how many shops have you seen any adds about OpenSolaris ? > > - how many shops are promoting OpenSolaris packages ? Easy to > redistribute software packs with OpenSolaris ? > > - events organized by the soft/hdw shops ? > > - local groups should get involved with shops and possible start promoting to them OpenSolaris. > Maybe as well Sun Marketing could help on this too, since Sun is a big sponsor for > OpenSolaris. You are talking about advertisements here? Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon May 28 22:00:59 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:00:59 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <1180344913.14032.29.camel@haiiro> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> <1180344913.14032.29.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <465BB38B.1000807@Sun.COM> Tim Foster wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Here's thoughts from me: > > On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 16:18 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >>Does anyone have any ideas about what could be in >>such a kit? I'm thinking ... >> >>* x number of OpenSolaris t-shirts (do we need new shirts?) >>* x number of OpenSolaris Starter Kits >>* x number of the OpenSolaris Hand Books >> (kits/books: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/490843667/) >>* other stuff needed in the kit to start and run a successful group? > > > * Posters > We're trying to roll our own at the moment, but they're pretty basic, > and we quickly ran out of the nice black OpenSolaris ones that we got > initially, so more posters would be great. Good one. I forgot that we even had posters.:) > * Audio recording mechanisms > This isn't so much about Sun provided resources (though it could be!) > but I've been thinking for a while, that encouraging all of the > user-groups to provide mp3s of their meetings would be well worth it. Ok. I agree, and I've been surprised that after 2 years we don't have that much multi-media in the community. I know the Czech team does audio and Ben has done some video for the Silicon Valley. > We've started doing this for the IEOSUG, and I know Alan's got > dial-in access to the SVOSUG meetings, but that sucks if you're not in > PST or the US, as the toll-free number isn't toll-free and not > everyone's dedicated enough to dial into a conference call at 3am. > Getting audio offline would be wonderful. (I'm still dying to hear > last Thursday's Project Indiana session) I call in to Alan's meetings from time to time. It's fine if the speaker is talking into the mic, but otherwise it's difficult to hear. > $50 on eBay can get a decent mp3 recorder, and with a cheapo condenser > mic we were able to record: > http://mediacast.sun.com/share/timf/ie-osug-9.mp3 > and plan to continue with these if we can. oh, cool. I'm listening now. :) Sounds great. > Would providing grants > to user-groups for obtaining audio recording devices work? Perhaps > even including the $5 Sun-Microphones[1] in the starter kits might be > enough. Grants in terms of cash offer? > I'd love to hear what other UGs were talking about, apart from just > getting their slides. If there was no excuse for *not* recording > the sessions, perhaps more user groups would do it? > > At some point, getting these recordings rolled into a single RSS feed > would be a logical next step. Eventually, we'd have > "OpenSolaris Radio" (which admittedly would take a bit more audio > production, interviews with celebs, etc.) but even now, we've got a > lot of OpenSolaris content being produced at every user group meeting > - I think it's a shame not to share it. Indeed ... > > [1] http://www.bizsyscon.com/pics/SUN_3701678.jpg > Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon May 28 22:16:16 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:16:16 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465AECAA.9090608@systemnews.com> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> <465AECAA.9090608@systemnews.com> Message-ID: <465BB720.2090009@Sun.COM> John J McLaughlin wrote: > > I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow > the UG Community > > What can Sun do to help the user group grow? Here are a few of my ideas: > > - Leverage technology: to make skilled Subject Matter Expects available > as speakers via SunBTV Ah, good idea, but that's really only for groups that meet at Sun offices, right? But I get the larger issue of having subject matter experts available, though. > - Recently I attended a Sun marketing session on the topic of > LDoms. It was delivered via SunBTV to the Sun office in Atlanta (and > others) > - That is a great way to make speakers available at a reasonable cost > - Timezone coordination is needed to make it work. > - Videos of sessions can be made available via OpenSolaris.org to > members Videos: This is a good idea, too, and it wouldn't require that people get into a Sun office. We can just post the content for all to view. > - Local meetings can leverage the content > > - Can we get John Gage, Greg Papadopoulos, Hal Stern, Ingrid Van den > Hoogen to be the OpenSolaris User Group advocates? > - Executive level sponsorship could make a big difference Shooting a little high there, eh? :) > - Fund a unique, valuable, professional user group publication > - that's where teaming with SNI (publishers of "System News for Sun > Users") could be of value We spoke about this earlier today, so I'd like to explore this further. > - members should be encouraged to provide papers and other content > for the user group publication and the web site We do this now, but some groups post presos on their own pages so you have to go dig. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/ > - Make the OSUG attractive to developers > - developers choose their target platforms. If developers choose > Linux or Windows, there's no opportunity for OpenSolaris > - people choose apps --> apps decide platforms --> good apps drive > volume --> developers choose volume platforms to create new apps > > - Make the OSUG attractive to application vendors (free or commercial) > - if people find the right apps easily on Solaris, then they have a > reason to use Solaris and care about OpenSolaris > - Sun has a whole market development organization to support ISVs > that could with the OpenSolaris community > > - Leverage Free and Open Source s/w > - blastwave.org is an amazing resource for Sun and the OpenSolaris > community > - we should be constantly promoting some of the gems in that collection > > - Sun Communications > - Can we get Sun to promote OpenSolaris.org @sun.com and in other > Sun e-communications I'll have to check with the OpenSolaris marketing team. > - OpenSolaris.org website needs help > - Sun's web team have done a ton of work to develop sun.com > - Can they help improve opensolaris.org? > e.g. Sun has a couple of "front pages" features to drive people > into the web site/ Today, those are > "Triple your capacity" (a product promotion) > "Revolutionary Technology" (Dr. Marc Trembly article) > "Get Exciting New Promotions Now" (well, it is Q4) > > - Many people at Sun find can/will only do things in their job description > - field marketing people must be goaled to create and support local > user groups work > - same with sales management > - Sun field sales and marketing can > - connect OpenSolaris chapters with the users in their geo > - provide resources (such as meeting locations) > - communicate local user group events on a regular basis Yah, I think the Sun field can be helpful. Again, I'll have to check with marketing since they know those avenues better than I. > - Leverage the Partner community > - most of Sun's business is conducted via Partners (resellers) > - can Sun help motivate the Partner community to support local chapters > - how can one chapter work with multiple Partners? Easy! each > meeting can be sponsored by a different Partner > - e.g. change the Partner "gtm" program to provide funding to > support local OpenSolaris chapters > > - Joint Press Releases > - Sun and OpenSolaris.org should do joint press releases once per > month. Formal press releases are a Sun and/or marketing function, but we can leverage the content in our own ways. > - There should be a monthly deadline for all the local chapters to > post > (a) a summary of their last meeting > (b) agenda for the next > - that material and other news from the board and marketing > community would make up the press release I like this for even issuing monthly announcements on opensolaris-announce or for inclusion in the newsletter. > - Sun and the OpenSolaris User group should support regular OpenSolaris > conference in the US > - e.g. spring in California and fall in New England > - membership required > - members are encouraged to present papers > (in the early 90's, the Sun User Group (SuG) could draw 10k to San > Jose) > - other than JavaOne, Sun has not been successful at making a > conference work. I think that's because they lack the grass root support > - It could be called OpenSolarisOne :-) No. No more "one" :) It makes no sense .... > - how about teaming with the SDN Techdays people > http://developers.sun.com/events/techdays/locations.jsp Yep, we do this now with OpenSolaris Days at all the Tech Days venues and will continue in the upcoming year. The trick is to better integrate the User Groups into the operations, though. > - Theses conference should be made attractive to developers, > administrators, Partners and IT management > > - Sun marketing pays a lot of attention to finding new customers. How > can the OpenSolaris User Group help? > - E.g. develop and promote material to help convert people to > OpenSolaris from Windows and Linux - presentations, white papers, demos > etc. > > -johnj Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon May 28 22:18:54 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:18:54 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465B0A91.3080105@yahoo.com> References: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <465B0A91.3080105@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465BB7BE.5080702@Sun.COM> Stefan Parvu wrote: > > 1). Education/Schools > > 2). Hardware/Software shops > > Two more additions from my side: > > 3). Perl, Python, Ruby > Close cooperation with other conferences and usergroups: > YAPC, Python, Ruby. It is important to participate and > submit papers for different audiences keeping a close > relationship with Perl, Python and Ruby communities. > - Perl 6 and OpenSolaris > - RubyOnRails and OpenSolaris yep, mixing with other communities would be helpful. > > 4). OpenSolaris Magazine > A good idea is to have an electronic online magazine, where > different groups can submit topics and present certain technologies > around OpenSolaris and their projects. Consistent with John's idea for the newsletter. We have certainly a kernel of a thought about a "publication" of some kind. > The magazine could be delivered 4 times per year and could be > self sustained by a small fee, 10e/year or so... like > http://www.theperlreview.com/about.html > > So my final list: > > 1). Education/Schools/Universities > 2). Advertisement in different electronic shops, selling > hardware and software > 3). Close cooperation with Perl, Python and Ruby communities > 4). OpenSolaris Magazine Cool, thanks. > Cheers, > Stefan Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon May 28 22:19:47 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:19:47 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] 1st Finland OpenSolaris User Group Meeting In-Reply-To: <465B10ED.1060604@yahoo.com> References: <465B10ED.1060604@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465BB7F3.6030103@Sun.COM> Stefan Parvu wrote: > > *** Welcome to FIOSUG 1st meeting ! *** > > You are invited on 31.05.2007 to participate to > the first edition of Finland OpenSolaris User Group > meeting. > > The official page of the group is: > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/fiosug/ > > The agenda for this meeting: > > - OpenSolaris project, a short description of the project > - The OpenSolaris community > - Distributions and Solaris OE > - Technologies: DTrace, ZFS, SMF, short talk > - Future > > Regards, > Stefan Parvu Cool! And welcome! We'll get you list set up shortly. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Mon May 28 22:23:28 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:23:28 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465B1D3C.1040401@sun.com> References: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <465B0A91.3080105@yahoo.com> <465B1D3C.1040401@sun.com> Message-ID: <465BB8D0.4060908@Sun.COM> Tim Foster wrote: > Hi Stefan & all, > > Stefan Parvu wrote: > >> 4). OpenSolaris Magazine >> A good idea is to have an electronic online magazine, where >> different groups can submit topics and present certain technologies >> around OpenSolaris and their projects. > > > We sort of have this at > http://opensolaris.org/os/project/content/newsletter/ > but it's monthly, not quarterly - it'd be nice if there was more > content here though. Something like an external version of the > Sun-internal (sorry) Technocrat newsletter would make for excellent > reading. So, perhaps we make the Newsletter into the User Group's publication and grow it from there? That's certainly a possibility. Also, we can look into John's newsletter thoughts as well. Perhaps combine the efforts? > There've been a few attempts to get people to contribute to this sort > of thing, the Content community, for example (from which came some some > excellent articles on Install and another good one on VMware) > > We also tried to get more feedback in the "Help OpenSolaris Marketing", > by asking people to write articles, but again, I'm not sure how > successful we were > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/help-marketing/ along > with the Articles page at > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/articles/ > > I guess I'm like most people - I'm interested in hearing more about > OpenSolaris projects, but tend to get most information by digging > around myself in project web pages, blog posts and ARC cases. Having > these aggregated in a monthly/quarterly posting somewhere would be > lovely. Agree. > (I think encouraging the projects themselves to submit these > kinds of articles is the only way something like this can scale, > unless you know of someone with super-powers ?) > > cheers, > tim Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From anil.verve at gmail.com Tue May 29 00:39:12 2007 From: anil.verve at gmail.com (Anil Gulecha) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:09:12 +0530 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465BB130.3050205@Sun.COM> References: <296294.96245.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <465BB130.3050205@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <148d59250705290039h6ef7d868rce9e12c7573825bb@mail.gmail.com> On 5/29/07, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > > Stefan Parvu wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > > > > >>I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow > >>the UG Community. There are about 50 OpenSolaris User Groups right now, > >>http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/ so > >>congratulations for a job well done over these first two years! Now how > >>do we get to 75? 100? 150? There is a growing interest at Sun to help > >>out, which is excellent. > > > > > > How I see the things: > > > > 1). Education/Schools > > > > Basically in my opinion we should focus on education and > schools|universities. > > The user groups can grow if we are present there where the young > generation > > is learning: schools and universities. This has an important role for > OpenSolaris and for > > future jobs related with (Open)Solaris market > > > > - each local group should engage work, maybe as well with help from Sun > Marketing, > > to target their own schools, universities > > > > - each local group should 'market' OpenSolaris to different events > organized by students > > or universities. Sponsor maybe some of them > > > > - expand as well to other events hosted by schools and in > > cooperation with other companies > > > Cool. I like the idea of engaging universities. There are programs doing > that now (campus evangelists and ambassadors) but perhaps we can > collaborate with them with regard to the OpenSolaris User Group Community: > > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/edu/campus_evangelists/ > http://opensolaris.org/os/project/os_user_groups_amb/ > > I'd like to start listing *all* the OpenSolaris User Groups on one page > so they are easier to find and everyone will know all the groups that > are out there. Hi, Just introducing myself as a campus ambassador and would very much like ot see collaboration here. If you need any help in sending this out to the other ambassadors you can let me know or use the ambassadors alias. There was talk about posters, so I can add that we ambassadors have a bunch of posters and also talking points/slide sets of various Opensolaris technologies (ZFS/Dtrace/zones/sun studio 12/etc) . I'm sure these could be used for promotion/information. Regards Anil Gulecha Sun Campus Ambassador, JSSATE, India -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tim.Foster at Sun.COM Tue May 29 07:12:05 2007 From: Tim.Foster at Sun.COM (Tim Foster) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:12:05 +0100 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465BB38B.1000807@Sun.COM> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> <1180344913.14032.29.camel@haiiro> <465BB38B.1000807@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <1180447925.1847.18.camel@haiiro> On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 14:00 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > > Would providing grants > > to user-groups for obtaining audio recording devices work? Perhaps > > even including the $5 Sun-Microphones[1] in the starter kits might be > > enough. > > > Grants in terms of cash offer? Well, it was just a thought... Even something small like $25 might be enough? (you could get carried away and get an M-Audio or Editrol for twenty times that price, but eBay has quite a few iRiver IFP-xxx devices up there at the moment, and they seem to do the job just fine.) cheers, tim -- Tim Foster, Sun Microsystems Inc, Solaris Engineering Ops http://blogs.sun.com/timf From james.walker at sun.com Tue May 29 15:32:35 2007 From: james.walker at sun.com (Jim Walker) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:32:35 PDT Subject: [ug-discuss] REMINDER: FROSUG May Meeting Announcement (5/31/2007) Message-ID: <6109569.1180477986001.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> This month's FROSUG (Front Range OpenSolaris User Group) meeting is on Thursday, May 31, 2007. Brad Lewis and Tim Jacobson will give a presentation on Sun Studio 12 Compilers and Tools. In addition, we will be giving an OpenSolaris Update, and will be having an InstallFest. So, if you want help installing an OpenSolaris distribution, backup your laptop and bring it to the meeting! !! FREE OpenSolaris Starter Kits and Solaris Express Developer Edition DVDs. !! About the presentation: OpenSolaris includes the best package of compilers and tools for developers. This free package is called Sun Studio and version 12 will be released in June. This presentation will give an overview of the components of Sun Studio and new improvements for version 12. In addition, there will be several short demonstrations using performance and diagnostic tools. The presentation will be posted on http://frosug.org prior to the meeting. About our presenters: Brad Lewis and Tim Jacobson work in the Performance Library Group (Perflib). Perflib is a collection of Mathematical Routines for Scientific Computing. These routines are custom written to obtain the highest performance on Sun hardware for both stand-alone and parallel systems. ----- Meeting Details: When: Thursday, May 31, 2007 Times: 6:00pm - 6:30pm Doors open and Pizza 6:30pm - 6:45pm OpenSolaris Update 6:45pm - 8:30pm Sun Studio 12 Compiler Where: Sun Broomfield Campus Building 1 - Conference Center 500 Eldorado Blvd. Broomfield, CO 80021 Dialin: 866-545-5220 Access Code: 9303067 The meeting is free and open to the public. Pizza and soft drinks will be served at the beginning of the meeting. Please RSVP to frosug-rsvp(AT)opensolaris(DOT)org in order to help us plan for food and setup access to the Sun campus. We hope to see you there! Thanks, FROSUG ----- Future Meeting Plans: June 28, 2007: Bonnie Corwin presents "OpenSolaris: Where We Are and Where We're Going". In addition, we will celebrate OpenSolaris's two year Anniversary!! If you have ideas for topics or have a topic you would like to present, send them to: ug-frosug(AT)opensolaris(DOT)org This message posted from opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue May 29 16:07:31 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:07:31 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <1180447925.1847.18.camel@haiiro> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> <1180344913.14032.29.camel@haiiro> <465BB38B.1000807@Sun.COM> <1180447925.1847.18.camel@haiiro> Message-ID: <465CB233.5000402@Sun.COM> Tim Foster wrote: > On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 14:00 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >>>Would providing grants >>> to user-groups for obtaining audio recording devices work? Perhaps >>> even including the $5 Sun-Microphones[1] in the starter kits might be >>> enough. >> >> >>Grants in terms of cash offer? > > > Well, it was just a thought... > > Even something small like $25 might be enough? (you could get carried > away and get an M-Audio or Editrol for twenty times that price, but eBay > has quite a few iRiver IFP-xxx devices up there at the moment, and they > seem to do the job just fine.) > > cheers, > tim yah, ok. What came to my mind is all the different currencies around the world. :) But I get your larger point. Cool. -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue May 29 18:59:11 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:59:11 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] IRC Message-ID: <465CDA6F.4000000@Sun.COM> If there are any OpenSolaris User Groups that have IRC channels, let me know and we'll list them here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/chat/ Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From pedro.gomez at sun.com Tue May 29 19:31:45 2007 From: pedro.gomez at sun.com (Pedro Gomez) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:31:45 PDT Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: IRC In-Reply-To: <465CDA6F.4000000@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <3876507.1180492335109.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Hi Jim, There is a Spanish Opensolaris channel, small so far but very enthusiastic one here : irc://irc.freenode.net/opensolaris-es Some of the guys in this channel are great candidates to open up also new user groups This message posted from opensolaris.org From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue May 29 20:15:49 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:15:49 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: IRC In-Reply-To: <3876507.1180492335109.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> References: <3876507.1180492335109.JavaMail.Twebapp@oss-app1> Message-ID: <465CEC65.3050900@Sun.COM> Pedro Gomez wrote: > Hi Jim, > > There is a Spanish Opensolaris channel, small so far but very enthusiastic one here : > > irc://irc.freenode.net/opensolaris-es > > Some of the guys in this channel are great candidates to open up also new user groups Cool. :) Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Tue May 29 20:17:31 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:17:31 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] IM Message-ID: <465CECCB.3010206@Sun.COM> If anyone would like to share their instant message names, I'd love to connect some time. I'm JimGrisanzio on GAIM. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From g.rumatowski at gmx.net Tue May 29 23:34:42 2007 From: g.rumatowski at gmx.net (Grzegorz Rumatowski) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:34:42 +0200 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <465D1B02.8010708@gmx.net> Jim Grisanzio wrote: > hey ... Hello Jim & others Sorry for steppin into so late. > I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow > the UG Community. A good idea! > * x number of OpenSolaris t-shirts (do we need new shirts?) Where could I get them ? > * x number of the OpenSolaris Hand Books > (kits/books: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/490843667/) Huh? Would like to have it (the book). > * other stuff needed in the kit to start and run a successful group? > I don't know how many resources I can get, but a conversation about the > issue here would be most helpful to see what's needed. > All ideas welcome ... A kind of support from the local Sun ofice would be nice. I'm thinking about things like: contact list and so on. > Thanks, > > Jim Gregory From dgalan at aulaunix.org Wed May 30 02:04:14 2007 From: dgalan at aulaunix.org (David Galan Ortiz) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:04:14 +0200 Subject: [ug-discuss] SolarisDay Message-ID: <44ac9e4f00331da53a1e6c51827ee048@mail.aulaunix.org> Spanish user group Hello Jim we have the following ideas: 1) We want that the users and admins learn OpenSolaris. Create the OpenSolaris Campus with the tool dokeos (opensource) for learn OpenSolaris. Beta: http://cursos.aulaunix.org/. The best is campus.opensolaris.org or learning.opensolaris.org. 2) We have create screencast of SVM, ZFS, Containers and Nexenta. Screencasts is for starterkit and poscast in itunes, youtube.... thanks David Gal?n -- *********************** David Gal?n Ortiz dgalan at aulaunix.org www.aulaunix.org blogs.aulaunix.org *********************** From laurent at elanor.org Wed May 30 02:27:00 2007 From: laurent at elanor.org (Laurent Blume) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:27:00 +0200 Subject: [ug-discuss] IRC In-Reply-To: <465CDA6F.4000000@Sun.COM> References: <465CDA6F.4000000@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <465D4364.2090606@elanor.org> Jim Grisanzio a ?crit : > If there are any OpenSolaris User Groups that have IRC channels, let me > know and we'll list them here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/chat/ And there is one in French (en fran?ais) there: #solaris-fr Though I'm not much of an IRC user, can't say how active it is :-) Laurent -- / Leader de Projet & Communaut? | I'm working, but not speaking for \ I18N/L10N http://opensolaris.org | Bull Services http://www.bull.com / FOSUG http://guses.org | From Michal.Pryc at Sun.COM Wed May 30 02:41:27 2007 From: Michal.Pryc at Sun.COM (Michal Pryc) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:41:27 +0100 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465AECAA.9090608@systemnews.com> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> <465AECAA.9090608@systemnews.com> Message-ID: <465D46C7.8010304@Sun.Com> Jim Grisanzio wrote: >> hey ... >> >> I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow >> the UG Community. There are about 50 OpenSolaris User Groups right now, >> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/ so >> congratulations for a job well done over these first two years! Now >> how do we get to 75? 100? 150? There is a growing interest at Sun to >> help out, which is excellent. First of all, I am very happy that there is a lot going on in this area :-) We are people from all around the World with different cultures, languages, duties, sleeping times ;) so I would try to get answer what would attract me to become a new member of the OpenSolaris UG or to start new one and share my thoughts. 1. Give better communication, more freedom in creating ug web pages on OpenSolaris.org I think that as a UG member I would like to have: - IRC channel - Mailing list - wiki page? with the list of people (of course if they want) that are in this group. Clear and easy access to those informations will guarantee, that I can join the IRC channel and see as a topic where and when the UG meeting will be. 2. Now some use - cases :) 2a) "I am a person that already know what is OpenSolaris, what are User Groups, I really want to join one" I) I am going to the www dot opensolaris dot com page II) hmm... what now? How the user can know that "user groups - campus ambassad" is under "All projects" and "User groups" are under "communities" (the second is more logic), but I know that this is going to be changed. 3b) "I am a person that already know what is OpenSolaris, but have no idea, that User Groups exists and that I can have a lot of fun joining one" It would be nice to co-operate with OpenSolaris starter kit and put a little note to the envelope explaining what user groups are, what can the person that is obtaining OpenSolaris benefit from joining/creating one, so a little information in every OpenSolaris starter kit :-) We need to remember that there is so many thing to do in our lives and there is so much information around that we really need to have some reason to join a user group, without clear information not all the people that might be interested would join. 3c) "I am a person that have no idea what is OpenSolaris, but I am a developer/user, which doesn't know that my life can be easier :-)" I think that those two (3b and 3c) are the people that we should target and in this area there are a lot of possibilities, here are my thoughts: - First of all there should be visible information on the OpenSolaris page about User Groups - We as a members of UG should talk with our friends about them and get them involved - Make meetings attractive, not only talks/presentations - people (I) need sometimes talk with others, not only by e-mails. - There are a lot of Internet/paper computer magazines, why as an OpenSolaris UG members we shouldn't try to write some articles? There are a lot of interesting topics, and remember that not all the people reads blogs or know what is OpenSolaris, so between two technical articles one something like "Live in User Group" would be a nice break. - Remember that not only developers/sys admins can join user-group - People from UG should (if they want, but maybe it's just a matter of telling why) use disclamers in some of the e-mails that are send, this also spread information... - Attract more womans to the user groups. Isn't it nicer in the pub (irish style) talking in a group of people, where there are not only guys? - Work closer with other user groups. If someone is already member of one, it doesn't mean that can not be a member of another. There is nothing wrong with sending information for example to the java UG and proposing one presentation "Why OpenSolaris is great platform for developing Java applications", this would attract people from other groups. I know that those are actions that should be done by already existing members, but do they know about those ideas? this is next poing... - ...next point :-) Give ideas and input to already existing members, once they will know how to involve people, they might use some of the ideas, so informing all the UG members about those ideas. We should collect them and keep as a gold, ideas are very valuable! (even those bad once, since we will not make the mistakes twice) - Some contents for the people that are in user group? For example "the best user group logo" or something similar, so people from each user group can work together and know each other better. - enthusiasm and humor 4. Students, students, students... Those bunch of smart people from different years are living together, partying and sometimes wasting time. Of course they can do a lot of great job in the area of the User Groups, we should just count people and see how many of them are willing to become a part of great community, but they just don't know about those. I know that there are a lot of sun programs to help in this area, and it's great. There is no better way to get the students attention, as teachers, which are very close to them, so also we should attract them to become community members, especially those that are providing "Operating Systems" or java related courses. Once they will like Solaris features they will attract students (I hope so). Also campus ambassadors are making excellent job in this area, but does all Campus Ambassadors created user groups? If no, than we should also co-operate with this project. But there are many universities that people never heard about OpenSolaris or any other free software communities. What with those people? I remember, that on my universities I've got student's brochures, newspapers, radio stations and even TV. Why not use those to promote User Groups, one article/interview from someone (student/teacher) who is doing interesting project and is member of UG, presentation or even relation from Campus Ambassador would attract more people. Also there are many student conferences, where people from OpenSolaris UG can simply talk about communities, not only those big conferences, where there are a lot of people that already know/heard about UG, we need to remember that some of the people doesn't heard about OpenSolaris. 5. Some of the nice ideas comes in the most unexpected time, so if I will get one, for sure I will write in this point :) :) :) -- all the best Michal Pryc Member of Irish OpenSolaris Users Group http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/ie-osug/ http://blogs.sun.com/migi From anil.verve at gmail.com Wed May 30 05:01:26 2007 From: anil.verve at gmail.com (Anil Gulecha) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:31:26 +0530 Subject: [ug-discuss] IM In-Reply-To: <465CECCB.3010206@Sun.COM> References: <465CECCB.3010206@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <148d59250705300501j3dec6d9eo21026df0a9cf8bb5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, anil.verve on gtalk .. On 5/30/07, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > > If anyone would like to share their instant message names, I'd love to > connect some time. I'm JimGrisanzio on GAIM. Is there a protocol called GAIM or did you mean AIM? Anil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it appropriate or desirable to invite VARs and integrators to OpenSolaris UGs? -brian From damian at wojslaw.pl Wed May 30 10:19:56 2007 From: damian at wojslaw.pl (Damian =?UTF-8?Q?Wojs=C5=82aw?=) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:19:56 +0200 Subject: [ug-discuss] More about marketing Message-ID: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> I saw cool opensolaris business card on flickr. I can't remember where, but could we have some templates. Ie. staroffice, that I could fill with my data and print? Regards Damian Wojs?aw pl.opensolaris.org From flash at systemnews.com Wed May 30 05:43:04 2007 From: flash at systemnews.com (John J. McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:43:04 -0400 Subject: [ug-discuss] meetup.com as a way of helping people find local OpenSolaris user groups Message-ID: <465D7158.9000805@systemnews.com> Recently, I joined a site called meetup.com. People can organize a place to ":meetup" with other people interested in a specific topic. One local South Florida Linux enthusiast organizes a monthly session at a local restaurant/bar. the idea is to meet and network with people with similar interested. Here's their pitch Meetup.com helps people find others who share their interest or cause, and form lasting, influential, local community groups that regularly meet face-to-face. We believe that the world will be a better place when everyone has access to a people-powered local Meetup Group. That's our goal. Meetup Groups help people: * Find others who share their interests * Get involved locally * Learn, teach, and share things * Make friends and have fun * Rise up, stand up, unite, and make a difference * Be a part of something bigger ? both locally and globally We're proud to give more power to the people and we believe it's possible to make a profit and make a difference. Meetup.com earns money from: * Meetup Groups who rely on us to help them create great Meetups and great local groups * Partner organizations that use Meetup.com services to grow and strengthen their communities * Sponsors who buy unobtrusive text ads relevant to Meetup Group members I am going to register the three Florida OSUGs that I am involved with as meetup events. Meetup.com has members all around the world. -johnj -- John J. McLaughlin, Editor-in-Chief/CTO, System News Inc. Publishers of "SunFlash", "System News for Sun Users" and "System News for Sun Partners" http://sun.systemnews.com flash at systemnews.com (954) 234 8990 Blog: http://johnjmclaughlin.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnjmclaughlin From brian.gupta at gmail.com Wed May 30 15:57:48 2007 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:57:48 -0400 Subject: [ug-discuss] meetup.com as a way of helping people find local OpenSolaris user groups In-Reply-To: <465D7158.9000805@systemnews.com> References: <465D7158.9000805@systemnews.com> Message-ID: <5b5090780705301557ob9b4a98r680087d3f82687e@mail.gmail.com> I tried creating an opensolaris meetup, but it wouldn't except that tag. Am I doing something wrong? On 5/30/07, John J. McLaughlin wrote: > Recently, I joined a site called meetup.com. People can organize a place > to ":meetup" with other people interested in a specific topic. One local > South Florida Linux enthusiast organizes a monthly session at a local > restaurant/bar. the idea is to meet and network with people with similar > interested. > > Here's their pitch > > Meetup.com helps people find others who share their interest or > cause, and form lasting, influential, local community groups > that regularly meet face-to-face. We believe that the world will > be a better place when everyone has access to a people-powered > local Meetup Group. That's our goal. > Meetup Groups help people: > > * Find others who share their interests > * Get involved locally > * Learn, teach, and share things > * Make friends and have fun > * Rise up, stand up, unite, and make a difference > * Be a part of something bigger ? both locally and globally > > We're proud to give more power to the people and we believe it's > possible to make a profit and make a difference. > Meetup.com earns money from: > > * Meetup Groups who rely on us to help them create great Meetups > and great local groups > * Partner organizations that use Meetup.com services to grow and > strengthen their communities > * Sponsors who buy unobtrusive text ads relevant to Meetup Group > members > > > I am going to register the three Florida OSUGs that I am involved with > as meetup events. Meetup.com has members all around the world. > > -johnj > > -- > John J. McLaughlin, Editor-in-Chief/CTO, System News Inc. > Publishers of "SunFlash", "System News for Sun Users" and > "System News for Sun Partners" > http://sun.systemnews.com flash at systemnews.com (954) 234 8990 > Blog: http://johnjmclaughlin.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnjmclaughlin > > > _______________________________________________ > ug-discuss mailing list > ug-discuss at opensolaris.org > From flash at systemnews.com Wed May 30 07:19:39 2007 From: flash at systemnews.com (John J. McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:19:39 -0400 Subject: [ug-discuss] Using web tool to help grow the user groups grow Message-ID: <465D87FB.9080803@systemnews.com> linkedin.com - powered by Sun - is another "social networking" site that we can leverage to connect with potential members for the local user groups: /LinkedIn is an online network of more than 11 million experienced professionals from around the world, representing 150 industries. When you join, you create a profile that summarizes your professional accomplishments. Your profile helps you find and be found by former colleagues, clients, and partners. You can add more connections by inviting trusted contacts to join LinkedIn and connect to you. Your network consists of your connections, your connections' connections, and the people they know, linking you to thousands of qualified professionals. / I am the 19th most connected linkedin user (out of 11 million!) with 12,000+ direct connections. Most of the people who are connected to me are involved with Sun/Solaris. In addition to giving out a business card, I will often tell people that they can learn about me via my linked profile. (If you are not connect to me, come to my profile and request a connection: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnjmclaughlin ) Linkedin also supports named groups. We could create an OpenSolaris group and encourage members to join that group and network with each other. I think that a linkedin group will allow members to connect with each other in ways that will never be built into opensolaris.org. Similarly, I don't expect opensolaris.org to have the features of meetup.com Or the calendaring or mapping features of google. I suggest that we leverage these other tools to draw members in and provide a valuable to the members. (By the way, meetup.com is down for a scheduled 1hr upgrade) -johnj -- John J. McLaughlin, Editor-in-Chief/CTO, System News Inc. Publishers of "SunFlash", "System News for Sun Users" and "System News for Sun Partners" http://sun.systemnews.com flash at systemnews.com (954) 234 8990 Blog: http://johnjmclaughlin.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnjmclaughlin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 18:23:34 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:23:34 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] IM In-Reply-To: <148d59250705300501j3dec6d9eo21026df0a9cf8bb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <465CECCB.3010206@Sun.COM> <148d59250705300501j3dec6d9eo21026df0a9cf8bb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <465E2396.4040105@Sun.COM> Anil Gulecha wrote: > Hi, > > anil.verve on gtalk .. > > On 5/30/07, *Jim Grisanzio* > wrote: > > If anyone would like to share their instant message names, I'd love to > connect some time. I'm JimGrisanzio on GAIM. > > > Is there a protocol called GAIM or did you mean AIM? > > Anil AIM. Sorry. :) Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 18:37:27 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:37:27 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] More about marketing In-Reply-To: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> References: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> Damian Wojs?aw wrote: > I saw cool opensolaris business card on flickr. I can't remember where, > but could we have some templates. Ie. staroffice, that I could fill with > my data and print? > > > Regards > > Damian Wojs?aw > pl.opensolaris.org I saw that business card, too. It's on flickr somewhere among the other 2 thousand photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/opensolaris/ I can't find it right now, so I don't know who owns it. But I've cc'd Marketing for the question above. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From brian.gupta at gmail.com Wed May 30 18:52:26 2007 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:52:26 -0400 Subject: [ug-discuss] More about marketing In-Reply-To: <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> References: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <5b5090780705301852r288656bbq5d4b68ab7cb8ab9e@mail.gmail.com> http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/63021615/ On 5/30/07, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Damian Wojs?aw wrote: > > I saw cool opensolaris business card on flickr. I can't remember where, > > but could we have some templates. Ie. staroffice, that I could fill with > > my data and print? > > > > > > Regards > > > > Damian Wojs?aw > > pl.opensolaris.org > > > > I saw that business card, too. It's on flickr somewhere among the other > 2 thousand photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/opensolaris/ I > can't find it right now, so I don't know who owns it. But I've cc'd > Marketing for the question above. > > Jim > -- > Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris > > _______________________________________________ > ug-discuss mailing list > ug-discuss at opensolaris.org > From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 18:58:24 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:58:24 +0900 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Community Consolidation -- Marketing & UGs In-Reply-To: <5b5090780705300725y7174a910jbc5898d2a8753e77@mail.gmail.com> References: <4611C919.7050608@Sun.COM> <4615FDDD.8080603@sun.com> <4616079B.7060501@Sun.COM> <462EFF9F.1060608@Sun.COM> <46301110.8020002@Sun.COM> <5b5090780705300725y7174a910jbc5898d2a8753e77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <465E2BC0.9080405@Sun.COM> Brian Gupta wrote: > One thing I am wondering. Back in the day there used to be things > called SUGs. These were real grassroots groups, that sometimes had > assistance systems integrators and VARs. Sun had no involvement. > > Eventually these faded away. (It seems that Sun had some part in this). > > Is it appropriate or desirable to invite VARs and integrators to > OpenSolaris UGs? > > -brian Of course. You make that decision locally. I'm trying to treat the OpenSolaris UG Community on the site as simply a space where individual groups have a minimum level of infrastructure to communicate and run groups -- pages, lists, and soon to be projects if the Advocacy Community is approved. Now, since I work at Sun I'm trying to get some Sun additional resources (no promises) to contribute to the growth of the UG community (kits, shirts, etc), but basically the UGs are independent and decisions are made locally. Sun does not run the groups or fund them, but I think Sun should /contribute/ to them, just as I think all the individual groups should contribute to each other as well (presos, speakers, content, meetings, etc). Also, I think we all expect that the individual groups will evolve differently based on whatever region of the world they live in. Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at sun.com Wed May 30 18:43:49 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at sun.com (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:43:49 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] Newsletter: May Message-ID: <465E2855.8020407@Sun.COM> Hi ... I'm going to be working on the newsletter over the next few days. If anyone has any bits they'd like to contribute, sent them to me. Pointers. UG meetings. Presos. Conferences. New photos. Anything like that. Let's say a deadline of Sunday the 3rd. http://opensolaris.org/os/project/content/newsletter/ Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM Wed May 30 19:46:48 2007 From: Sara.Dornsife at Sun.COM (Sara Dornsife) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:46:48 -0500 Subject: [ug-discuss] More about marketing In-Reply-To: <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> References: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <465E3718.9060106@sun.com> There is one on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/mktgdownloads/ I don't see the picture. Is that the right one? Sara Jim Grisanzio wrote: > Damian Wojs?aw wrote: >> I saw cool opensolaris business card on flickr. I can't remember >> where, >> but could we have some templates. Ie. staroffice, that I could fill with >> my data and print? >> >> >> Regards >> >> Damian Wojs?aw >> pl.opensolaris.org > > > > I saw that business card, too. It's on flickr somewhere among the > other 2 thousand photos: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/opensolaris/ I can't find it right > now, so I don't know who owns it. But I've cc'd Marketing for the > question above. > > Jim From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 19:59:18 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:59:18 +0900 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] More about marketing In-Reply-To: <465E3718.9060106@sun.com> References: <1180545596.1050.2.camel@localhost> <465E26D7.3050109@Sun.COM> <465E3718.9060106@sun.com> Message-ID: <465E3A06.3050007@Sun.COM> Sara Dornsife wrote: > There is one on > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/mktgdownloads/ Oh, cool. > I don't see the picture. Is that the right one? This is the one on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/63021615/ Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 20:40:37 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:40:37 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465D1B02.8010708@gmx.net> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> <465D1B02.8010708@gmx.net> Message-ID: <465E43B5.3010006@Sun.COM> Grzegorz Rumatowski wrote: > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >>hey ... > > > Hello Jim & others > > Sorry for steppin into so late. You're not late at all ... no worries. >>* x number of OpenSolaris t-shirts (do we need new shirts?) > > > Where could I get them ? We'd have to produce them to be part of kits that we'd send out. Well, Sun would do this, anyway. >>* x number of the OpenSolaris Hand Books >> (kits/books: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/490843667/) > > > Huh? Would like to have it (the book). yah, the books are new. They are being translated into a few languages now. If people are interested in having them, I'd have to spec out a budget for it and we'd make it part of the kit. >>* other stuff needed in the kit to start and run a successful group? >>I don't know how many resources I can get, but a conversation about the >>issue here would be most helpful to see what's needed. >>All ideas welcome ... > > > A kind of support from the local Sun office would be nice. I'm thinking > about things like: contact list and so on. Yes, I agree. Already, there are many Sun field offices that participate in user groups, which is convenient since there are buildings to meet in. Though universities may make good venues, too. And coffee shops. And bars. :) Contact lists are important too. I added names to the leader grid http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/ with links to their profiles, but it's up to each person to put in their own contact info. Also, I'm trying to get as many people on ug-discuss as possible so we all know that there is one location where we can find people from around the world. Just this week we added about 90 people to ug-discuss. >>Thanks, >> >>Jim > > > Gregory Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 23:02:45 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:02:45 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Growth In-Reply-To: <465D46C7.8010304@Sun.Com> References: <465A825C.7050702@Sun.COM> <465AECAA.9090608@systemnews.com> <465D46C7.8010304@Sun.Com> Message-ID: <465E6505.9060103@Sun.COM> Michal Pryc wrote: > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >>> hey ... >>> >>> I wanted to start a discussion about things Sun could do to help grow >>> the UG Community. There are about 50 OpenSolaris User Groups right now, >>> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/ so >>> congratulations for a job well done over these first two years! Now >>> how do we get to 75? 100? 150? There is a growing interest at Sun to >>> help out, which is excellent. > > First of all, I am very happy that there is a lot going on in this area :-) > We are people from all around the World with different cultures, > languages, duties, sleeping times ;) so I would try to get answer what > would attract me to become a new member of the OpenSolaris UG or to > start new one and share my thoughts. > > 1. Give better communication, more freedom in creating ug web pages > on OpenSolaris.org > I think that as a UG member I would like to have: > - IRC channel > - Mailing list > - wiki page? with the list of people (of course if they want) > that are in this group. > Clear and easy access to those informations will guarantee, that I > can join the IRC channel and see as a topic where and when the UG > meeting will be. Well, we have the ability for individual groups to create pages now. It's a bit awkward with everyone shoved into the UG Community space, but hopefully we'll be able to migrate the UGs to be their own project spaces. That will give each group a lot more flexibility. Mailing lists we have, of course, and people are creating IRC channels that we are linking to. No wiki as of yet, but I think that's being specified as per the pre-election of community priorities. > 2. Now some use - cases :) > 2a) > "I am a person that already know what is OpenSolaris, what are > User Groups, I really want to join one" > I) I am going to the www dot opensolaris dot com page > II) hmm... what now? > How the user can know that "user groups - campus ambassad" is > under "All projects" and "User groups" are under "communities" (the > second is more logic), but I know that this is going to be changed. Yep, it's a bit of a mess. But that's because we've grown so fast! :) No, really, I agree. It's difficult to get around for new people and we have to improve that. We have to build in new functionality to make it easier as we grow and reach out to new people. To be honest, though, we really didn't expect to grow this fast. I'm not kidding. So, I quite literally view some of the organizational issues with the site as a clear mark of success. Now, having one community -- the proposed Advocacy Community -- for general uses to go that consolidates a few communities will be helpful. And I hope to make that clear on the front page as well, so new people will know where to go and then they can drill down from there. That will help organize this part of the community, anyway, and it's pretty easy for us to do that in the short term. > 3b) > "I am a person that already know what is OpenSolaris, but have no > idea, that User Groups exists and that I can have a lot of fun joining one" > It would be nice to co-operate with OpenSolaris starter kit and > put a little note to the envelope explaining what user groups are, what > can the person that is obtaining OpenSolaris benefit from > joining/creating one, so a little information in every OpenSolaris > starter kit :-) We need to remember that there is so many thing to do in > our lives and there is so much information around that we really need to > have some reason to join a user group, without clear information not all > the people that might be interested would join. Cool. > 3c) > "I am a person that have no idea what is OpenSolaris, but I am a > developer/user, which doesn't know that my life can be easier :-)" > I think that those two (3b and 3c) are the people that we > should target and in this area there are a lot of possibilities, here > are my thoughts: > - First of all there should be visible information on the > OpenSolaris page about User Groups Agree. > - We as a members of UG should talk with our friends about > them and get them involved > - Make meetings attractive, not only talks/presentations - > people (I) need sometimes talk with others, not only by e-mails. Also, post info about meetings to the site. > - There are a lot of Internet/paper computer magazines, why > as an OpenSolaris UG members we shouldn't try to write some articles? > There are a lot of interesting topics, and remember that not all the > people reads blogs or know what is OpenSolaris, so between two technical > articles one something like "Live in User Group" would be a nice break. > - Remember that not only developers/sys admins can join > user-group > - People from UG should (if they want, but maybe it's just a > matter of telling why) use disclamers in some of the e-mails that are > send, this also spread information... > - Attract more womans to the user groups. Isn't it nicer in > the pub (irish style) talking in a group of people, where there are not > only guys? > - Work closer with other user groups. If someone is already > member of one, it doesn't mean that can not be a member of another. > There is nothing wrong with sending information for example to the java > UG and proposing one presentation "Why OpenSolaris is great platform for > developing Java applications", this would attract people from other > groups. I know that those are actions that should be done by already > existing members, but do they know about those ideas? this is next poing... > - ...next point :-) Give ideas and input to already existing > members, once they will know how to involve people, they might use some > of the ideas, so informing all the UG members about those ideas. We > should collect them and keep as a gold, ideas are very valuable! (even > those bad once, since we will not make the mistakes twice) > - Some contents for the people that are in user group? For > example "the best user group logo" or something similar, so people from > each user group can work together and know each other better. > - enthusiasm and humor All excellent ideas. > 4. Students, students, students... > Those bunch of smart people from different years are living > together, partying and sometimes wasting time. Of course they can do a > lot of great job in the area of the User Groups, we should just count > people and see how many of them are willing to become a part of great > community, but they just don't know about those. > I know that there are a lot of sun programs to help in this area, and > it's great. There is no better way to get the students attention, as > teachers, which are very close to them, so also we should attract them > to become community members, especially those that are providing > "Operating Systems" or java related courses. Once they will like Solaris > features they will attract students (I hope so). Also campus ambassadors > are making excellent job in this area, but does all Campus Ambassadors > created user groups? If no, than we should also co-operate with this > project. But there are many universities that people never heard about > OpenSolaris or any other free software communities. What with those people? > I remember, that on my universities I've got student's brochures, > newspapers, radio stations and even TV. Why not use those to promote > User Groups, one article/interview from someone (student/teacher) who is > doing interesting project and is member of UG, presentation or even > relation from Campus Ambassador would attract more people. > Also there are many student conferences, where people from OpenSolaris > UG can simply talk about communities, not only those big conferences, > where there are a lot of people that already know/heard about UG, we > need to remember that some of the people doesn't heard about OpenSolaris. > > 5. Some of the nice ideas comes in the most unexpected time, so if I > will get one, for sure I will write in this point :) :) :) Cool ... thanks... Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM Wed May 30 23:06:57 2007 From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM (Jim Grisanzio) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:06:57 +0900 Subject: [ug-discuss] Using web tool to help grow the user groups grow In-Reply-To: <465D87FB.9080803@systemnews.com> References: <465D87FB.9080803@systemnews.com> Message-ID: <465E6601.3010701@Sun.COM> John J. McLaughlin wrote: > linkedin.com - powered by Sun - is another "social networking" site that > we can leverage to connect with potential members for the local user groups: > > /LinkedIn is an online network of more than 11 million experienced > professionals from around the world, representing 150 industries. > When you join, you create a profile that summarizes your > professional accomplishments. Your profile helps you find and be > found by former colleagues, clients, and partners. You can add more > connections by inviting trusted contacts to join LinkedIn and > connect to you. Your network consists of your connections, your > connections? connections, and the people they know, linking you to > thousands of qualified professionals. > / > > I am the 19th most connected linkedin user (out of 11 million!) with > 12,000+ direct connections. Most of the people who are connected to me > are involved with Sun/Solaris. In addition to giving out a business > card, I will often tell people that they can learn about me via my > linked profile. > (If you are not connect to me, come to my profile and request a > connection: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnjmclaughlin ) > > Linkedin also supports named groups. We could create an OpenSolaris > group and encourage members to join that group and network with each other. > > I think that a linkedin group will allow members to connect with each > other in ways that will never be built into opensolaris.org. > Similarly, I don't expect opensolaris.org to have the features of > meetup.com Or the calendaring or mapping features of google. > > I suggest that we leverage these other tools to draw members in and > provide a valuable to the members. > > (By the way, meetup.com is down for a scheduled 1hr upgrade) > > -johnj I think LinkedIn has improved a great deal in the last year or two. Leveraging it for OpenSolaris UG would certainly be fine with me. Can you create a group? Jim -- Jim Grisanzio, Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris From flash at systemnews.com Thu May 31 14:38:11 2007 From: flash at systemnews.com (John J McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:38:11 -0400 Subject: [osol-mktg] Re: [ug-discuss] Community Consolidation -- Marketing In-Reply-To: <5b5090780705300725y7174a910jbc5898d2a8753e77@mail.gmail.com> References: <4611C919.7050608@Sun.COM> <4615FDDD.8080603@sun.com> <4616079B.7060501@Sun.COM> <462EFF9F.1060608@Sun.COM> <46301110.8020002@Sun.COM> <5b5090780705300725y7174a910jbc5898d2a8753e77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <465F4043.9050500@systemnews.com> Brian Gupta wrote: > One thing I am wondering. Back in the day there used to be things > called SUGs. These were real grassroots groups, that sometimes had > assistance systems integrators and VARs. Sun had no involvement. > > Eventually these faded away. (It seems that Sun had some part in this). > > Is it appropriate or desirable to invite VARs and integrators to > OpenSolaris UGs? I think it is appropriate that VARs, Resellers, Integrators and ISVs participate in OpenSolaris UGs. They bring a different perspective Resellers: - learn how to sell Solaris and how OpenSolaris helps to sell Solaris - bring new users to the group (most of Sun's sales go through Partners) Integrators - learn how to better use Solaris to solve customer problems ISVs - learn what features of Solaris can help improve their applications -johnj -- John J. McLaughlin, Editor-in-Chief/CTO, System News Inc. Publishers of "SunFlash" (http://sunflash.sun.com) "System News for Sun Users" and "System News for Sun iForce Partners" flash at systemnews.com +1 (954) 234 8990 http://sun.systemnews.com LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/e/fpf/228699 From brian.gupta at gmail.com Thu May 31 22:31:52 2007 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 01:31:52 -0400 Subject: [ug-discuss] Like minded individuals let's start working on an "OpenSolaris.org" distro right now. Message-ID: <5b5090780705312231k3c588c09m6b72e75122c2ec03@mail.gmail.com> This thread is for those that *ARE* interested in seeing an OpenSolaris hosted distribution come to fruition. I am starting this in the approach-discuss community, because it is as good a CG (Community Group) as any. I have cross posted to many other communities that *I* felt might want to be a part of this discussion. I have also included the Blastwave community. (Blastwave folks, send an email to approach-discuss-subscribe at opensolaris.org if you want to be a part of the discussion). I apologize in advance for this massive cross posting. I also hope that i did not leave out any CG, or individual that should have been included. (Please feel free to let them know to subscribe to approach-discuss) What this thread is *NOT*: -------------------------------------- This thread is *NOT* a thread were it is appropriate to stage your resistance to an OpenSolaris branded distro. (There are plenty of those going on as well) This thread is *NOT* to discuss how to propose this an official project. (too soon in my opinion) This thread is *NOT* a thread about opensolaris.org governance. (There are plenty of those going on) What this thread *IS*: -------------------------------- This thread *IS* for discussing the logistics of building this distribution. Appropriate topics would include what needs to be done, who is willing to do what, and what are our common goals. Proposals: ---------------- I propose that, for the time being, we use the approach-discuss at opensolaris.org as our discussion forum. (Please register ASAP) I also propose that if you are in favor of this distro coming to be, that you respond to this thread. Please do this even if you can not contribute. It will give other like minded individuals moral support. ;) I also propose referring to this project as OSH (Just so we have a non-controversial name to call it). Naming is something that should be addressed later. Please, let's not belabor this point. I also propose that we need to reach out to the current distros, to see if they would like to be involved in contributing to this distro. (Any volunteers?) Thank You, Brian Gupta P.S. - Please note, that from now on, when I say should, or is, or do, there is an automatic I feel/think/suspect/wonder/please added in front of it. :) P.S.S. - This is really the time to step up and reply, if you are in favor of this. From freetown at gmail.com Thu May 31 22:43:31 2007 From: freetown at gmail.com (Giles Turner) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:43:31 +0800 Subject: [ug-discuss] Re: [approach-discuss] Like minded individuals let's start working on an "OpenSolaris.org" distro right now. In-Reply-To: <5b5090780705312231k3c588c09m6b72e75122c2ec03@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b5090780705312231k3c588c09m6b72e75122c2ec03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I also propose that if you are in favor of this distro coming to be, > that you respond to this thread. Please do this even if you can not > contribute. It will give other like minded individuals moral support. > ;) aye.