[ug-glug] Reminder: Next meeting now Feb 7

[Effrat, Alec]

Wow I find this e-mail to be extremely harsh.  This user group was
kicked off by Sun to spur community involvement.  Not to give us night
classes.  Maybe we should have spent some time in the inaugural meeting
to specify the group mechanics but instead the organizers had three
excellent speakers and we focused on what they had to say.

We really have been using the list serve to define how the group will be
forming.  There has been an incredible amount of activity on the topic
of rescheduling.  Once there was a final consensus that best serves the
people who are active on the list, a clear e-mail was sent out with the
date change in the subject.  Let's take your opinion and work from there
to say that we need to define methods for implementing changes within
the group at the next meeting.

I for one am very appreciative of the Sun staff taking time out of their
busy schedules to share their enthusiasm in their baby.

If you wish something improved, and this is on topic with OpenSolaris,
get involved and fix it.

Alec Effrat

-----Original Message-----
From: ug-glug-bounces at opensolaris.org
[mailto:ug-glug-bounces at opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Eric Boutilier
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:15 PM
To: ug-glug at opensolaris.org
Subject: [ug-glug] Reminder: Next meeting now Feb 7

There are a number of things that I take exception with below, but 
mostly a number of assertions stated as facts that I believe are not 
accurate. I can get into it if people think it would be worthwhile.

--Eric

P.S. I for one think that the co-leaders have actually done a very good 
job of informing people of the meeting date change. But that's just _my_

opinion and me being one of the co-leaders in question means it's a very

biased one.

David Braun wrote:

>Respectfully, it's hard to take this group seriously, as you can't get
your act together on even the most elementary matters.  I would not be
at all surprised if one or more people show up tonight for the
meeting-that-isn't.  If any do, do you really expect them to return for
the "real" meeting next week?  Perhaps you should change the location
the night before, "just in case" they do show up.
>
>I've been checking your web page linked via UniForum Chicago regularly
and today is the first day it mentions the date change.  [b]Chip
Bennett's posting dated Jan 31 at 4:26 PM is the first message with the
title "Next meeting now Feb 7".[/b]  If there is any earlier reference
to the date change it is buried in some unrelated thread.
>
>In view of the pervasive lack of planning, direction, communication and
follow-through, organizers seem to be aiming for mediocrity for this
group.  You're dropping the ball on stuff that isn't even strategically
difficult or content-related.  My expectations are dropping
precipitously, even as I remain delighted with the OpenSolaris project
itself.
>
>I missed the inaugural meeting because I only found out about it --
accidentally -- the morning after it was over. How discouraging.  I
wasn't even notified -- even though I joined OpenSolaris the day the
project was launched.  I should have been an obvious target -- because
of my involvement and [b]known [/b]suburban location -- for promotion of
the nascent local user's group.  Apparently not.  Either organizers
didn't have access to the general mailing list for OpenSolaris news
(doubtful) or they didn't bother to utilize it (likely).  It would be
bizarre indeed if Sun refused them access to contact information.
>
>Here it is a full three months later, with meeting number [b]two[/b]
still future, and a potential hand grenade is thrown into the midst of
the group -- by its own planners.  [b]No one should have to investigate
the very day of a definitely scheduled meeting to see if it is still
on.[/b]  The moment the adjective "tentative" is removed from the day,
time, location and topic, these should be set in stone.  Everyone should
be able to mark their calendars, consult MapQuest [b]once[/b], and show
up for the meeting without any further communication.  That's only basic
logistics.
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