From linchq at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 20:43:06 2009
From: linchq at gmail.com (cq lin)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:43:06 +0800
Subject: [ug-shosug] daemon error log
Message-ID: <e0d518ac0902032043s52cf1aafyd19420ceb9bcc48b@mail.gmail.com>

Feb  3 23:33:05 test adm: [ID 702911 daemon.error]
Feb  3 23:33:05 test last message repeated 4 times
Feb  3 23:33:05 test adm: [ID 702911 daemon.error] **********  SYSTEM
ACCOUNTING STARTED Sun Feb  3 23:33:05 CST 2009  **********

??adm ??????????  ??????????

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From Adam.Zhang at Sun.COM  Tue Feb  3 21:17:09 2009
From: Adam.Zhang at Sun.COM (Yi-Feng Adam Zhang)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:17:09 +0800
Subject: [ug-shosug] daemon error log
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adm ?????,??????????Solaris ?accounting????
- adam

On 2009?02?04? 12:43, cq lin wrote:
> Feb  3 23:33:05 test adm: [ID 702911 daemon.error]
> Feb  3 23:33:05 test last message repeated 4 times
> Feb  3 23:33:05 test adm: [ID 702911 daemon.error] **********  SYSTEM 
> ACCOUNTING STARTED Sun Feb  3 23:33:05 CST 2009  **********
>
> ??adm ??????????  ??????????
>
> ??!
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From aubrey at opensolaris.org  Tue Feb 24 21:09:49 2009
From: aubrey at opensolaris.org (Aubrey Li)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:09:49 +0800
Subject: [ug-shosug] Fwd: [indiana-discuss] iiim panel doesn't start
	automatically
In-Reply-To: <49A4ACD9.70602@sun.com>
References: <6d6a94c50902192215n48fc5c07s4e2f83a492b8fe21@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A25F26.3010202@sun.com> <49A265EB.10200@sun.com>
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Message-ID: <6d6a94c50902242109g2df48060k8f17f3aa27704e40@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,

What's your opinion about this issue?
This is really unacceptable to me.

Thanks,
-Aubrey

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fuyuki Hasegawa - Sun Microsystems <Fuyuki.Hasegawa at sun.com>
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] iiim panel doesn't start automatically
To: Aubrey Li <aubreylee at gmail.com>
Cc: Indiana Discuss <indiana-discuss at opensolaris.org>

It was based on the feedbacks we received.
We assumed majority of English users won't switch keyboard layout
and don't need to know/see the current IM status. Without iiim-panel
and IM trigger key, users can input Latin characters by Compose key
sequences. And users can change the behavior easily via iiim-properties.

Thanks,
Fuyuki

Aubrey Li wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Fuyuki Hasegawa - Sun Microsystems
> <Fuyuki.Hasegawa at sun.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, I've just remembered a default change.
>> iiim-panel and IM activate/deactivate trigger key have been disabled
>> for English UTF-8 locales from 2008.11. This change applies to new users.
>> To enable them, use iiim-properties.
>>
>> Fuyuki
>>
>
> iiim-properties works.
>
> I wonder why this behavior is changed? To be more friendly to the EN-input
> users while not to the others?
>
> Thanks,
> -Aubrey


From Colin.Zou at Sun.COM  Tue Feb 24 21:27:43 2009
From: Colin.Zou at Sun.COM (Colin Zou)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:27:43 +0800
Subject: [ug-shosug] [ug-bjosug] Fwd: [indiana-discuss] iiim panel
	doesn't start	automatically
In-Reply-To: <6d6a94c50902242109g2df48060k8f17f3aa27704e40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6d6a94c50902192215n48fc5c07s4e2f83a492b8fe21@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A25F26.3010202@sun.com> <49A265EB.10200@sun.com>
	<6d6a94c50902231756p6f0c975fw6babee5408c36229@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A4ACD9.70602@sun.com>
	<6d6a94c50902242109g2df48060k8f17f3aa27704e40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A4D6CF.1080304@sun.com>

Aubrey Li wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> What's your opinion about this issue?
> This is really unacceptable to me.
>   
Thanks for forwarding this email and asking for opinions.

I don't see any benefits by disabling iiim-panel and IM 
activate/deactivate trigger key. It's better to enable it. I believe a 
lot of users (including me) want it enabled by default. It is not right 
to assume that English users won't switch keyboard layout.

Colin

> Thanks,
> -Aubrey
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Fuyuki Hasegawa - Sun Microsystems <Fuyuki.Hasegawa at sun.com>
> Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] iiim panel doesn't start automatically
> To: Aubrey Li <aubreylee at gmail.com>
> Cc: Indiana Discuss <indiana-discuss at opensolaris.org>
>
> It was based on the feedbacks we received.
> We assumed majority of English users won't switch keyboard layout
> and don't need to know/see the current IM status. Without iiim-panel
> and IM trigger key, users can input Latin characters by Compose key
> sequences. And users can change the behavior easily via iiim-properties.
>
> Thanks,
> Fuyuki
>
> Aubrey Li wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Fuyuki Hasegawa - Sun Microsystems
>> <Fuyuki.Hasegawa at sun.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Oh, I've just remembered a default change.
>>> iiim-panel and IM activate/deactivate trigger key have been disabled
>>> for English UTF-8 locales from 2008.11. This change applies to new users.
>>> To enable them, use iiim-properties.
>>>
>>> Fuyuki
>>>
>>>       
>> iiim-properties works.
>>
>> I wonder why this behavior is changed? To be more friendly to the EN-input
>> users while not to the others?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Aubrey
>>     



From Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM  Tue Feb 24 21:32:28 2009
From: Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:32:28 +1300
Subject: [ug-shosug] [indiana-discuss] [ug-bjosug] Fwd: iiim panel
 doesn't	start automatically
In-Reply-To: <49A4D6CF.1080304@sun.com>
References: <6d6a94c50902192215n48fc5c07s4e2f83a492b8fe21@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A25F26.3010202@sun.com> <49A265EB.10200@sun.com>
	<6d6a94c50902231756p6f0c975fw6babee5408c36229@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A4ACD9.70602@sun.com>
	<6d6a94c50902242109g2df48060k8f17f3aa27704e40@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A4D6CF.1080304@sun.com>
Message-ID: <36BA1727-F32B-4F1C-9473-5953A720835F@sun.com>


On 25/02/2009, at 6:27 PM, Colin Zou wrote:

> Aubrey Li wrote:
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> What's your opinion about this issue?
>> This is really unacceptable to me.
>>
> Thanks for forwarding this email and asking for opinions.
>
> I don't see any benefits by disabling iiim-panel and IM activate/ 
> deactivate trigger key. It's better to enable it. I believe a lot of  
> users (including me) want it enabled by default. It is not right to  
> assume that English users won't switch keyboard layout.

The problem is that for a large proportion of users, it'll just sit  
there completely un-used. I believe you should either explicitly  
enable it, or it should be shown by default for all non-En users.  
There should be a way of easily detecting this at runtime.


Glynn


From swalker at opensolaris.org  Tue Feb 24 21:43:54 2009
From: swalker at opensolaris.org (Shawn Walker)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:43:54 -0600
Subject: [ug-shosug] [indiana-discuss] [ug-bjosug] Fwd: iiim panel
	doesn't	start	automatically
In-Reply-To: <49A4D6CF.1080304@sun.com>
References: <6d6a94c50902192215n48fc5c07s4e2f83a492b8fe21@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A25F26.3010202@sun.com> <49A265EB.10200@sun.com>
	<6d6a94c50902231756p6f0c975fw6babee5408c36229@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A4ACD9.70602@sun.com>
	<6d6a94c50902242109g2df48060k8f17f3aa27704e40@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A4D6CF.1080304@sun.com>
Message-ID: <49A4DA9A.8080403@opensolaris.org>

Colin Zou wrote:
> Aubrey Li wrote:
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> What's your opinion about this issue?
>> This is really unacceptable to me.
>>   
> Thanks for forwarding this email and asking for opinions.
> 
> I don't see any benefits by disabling iiim-panel and IM 
> activate/deactivate trigger key. It's better to enable it. I believe a 
> lot of users (including me) want it enabled by default. It is not right 
> to assume that English users won't switch keyboard layout.

As far as I'm aware, the majority of installed operating systems (i.e. 
Windows or Mac) don't have an input switch enabled by default.  I can't 
see the justification for us doing any different.

More than just a few users have complained about the accidental input 
switching that used to happen all the time previously.

I suspect the number of users that actually use input functionality will 
be quite low.

As long as it is easy to enable for advanced users (i.e. not the common 
user), I don't see a problem with it.

-- 
Shawn Walker